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Xbox 360 Ban: The Damage

Posted by tylerh1701, in Xbox 360 02 October 2013 · 2,167 views

So yesterday I posted the story of how my Xbox 360 ban happened. Today I thought I'd share with you the damage that was done by this ban. Prepare yourself for a lot of lists.

If you don't know, when you get your account banned on Xbox you lose your licenses for all the digital content you own. It actually seems kind of fucked up that they can do that, but I guess it's their digital playground so they get to make all the rules, no matter how unfriendly they are.

I owned something like 250 Xbox Live Arcade games before the ban, so needless to say I lost a lot of games. Luckily, as far as I know, everything I still have saved on my hard drive can still be played. So even though I lost the license to redownload any of my digital games, I can still actually play the games I still have on my 120 GB hard drive.

Luckily I'm fairly OCD about memory management, and I did a really good job of downloading games I hadn't beaten and deleting games that I had beaten. So most the XBLA games I've haven't beaten yet I still have access too.

Anyways, let's get to the nitty gritty of it:

Games I "stole" from Microsoft:

Injustice: Gods Among Us
Rayman Legends
Assassin's Creed III
WRC Powerslide
Mars: War Logs
Dragon's Lair
Flashback
Sonic Adventure
Saint's Row IV Season Pass

Those 9 pieces of content are what got me banned. Obviously I wouldn't do it again if I had the choice, but oh well. I do still have all those 9 games downloaded so I can still play all of them even with my console and account ban.

Now let's take a look at what I lost due to the bans. I've actually separated them into games that are 100% gone (as in I don't have them downloaded and can never download them again) and games that I've lost the licenses to but can still play them since they're on my hard drive.

They're also color-coded and I have minor notes on some of them. Green means that I have beaten the game and Red means I haven't beaten the game.

Here are the games and DLC I completely lost because they are not downloaded on my hard drive:
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So yeah, that's a lot of stuff. Luckily, as you can see, most of it is Green, meaning I've beaten the game before.

Here are the games I've lost the license to, but still have downloaded on my hard drive and I can still play:

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So yeah, a ton more stuff. As you can see, the vast majority of that list is Red, meaning I haven't beaten it. Like I said, I did a good job managing my 120GB hard drive so at least I still have access to almost all my unbeaten XBLA games.

Besides all those games, I also lost about $13 worth of credit I had on my account and lost about 1.5 years of Xbox Live Gold time (1 year of which was acquired via the Bing 1-month for 1-year glitch.)

Overall, this ban does suck. I'm happy I still have access to most of my unplayed games and I plan to hold on to my Xbox 360 for a while and play through a lot of them. There's still some really good stuff that I need to play.

I'll have one more blog post coming up about The Aftermath of this ban, as in what my long term plans are for my consoles, the Xbox One, and basically my future with Microsoft.




Jesus Christ, dude, that sucks.  At least you got through most of the great stuff on your "lost forever" list, but losing the ME2 DLC hurts - that stuff's pretty great.  Just get the PS3 version that has everything but Shadow Broker.

 

I still have a One ordered, but I made the decision long ago to go with the PS4 as my primary device.  After getting into my PS3 backlog a little more recently, and with all the great stuff coming out on PS3 at the end of this generation, I find myself never turning on my 360 these days.  The 360 was definitely the console to own for a lot of this generation, IMO, but these days it's a no-brainer to go primary PS3/PS4.  I only wish Sony had gotten their act together sooner this gen.

 

And now I'm rambling.

I wish someone somehow had statistics on the number of people who own El Shaddai but haven't played it. I bet it's like half the people that own it.

You know what I bet would've been equally effective in deterring the foreign account behavior? A goddamn warning!

That's pretty awful. Punishment seems just a tad excessive for the offense.

 

You know what I bet would've been equally effective in deterring the foreign account behavior? A goddamn warning!

 

Permantly revoking the licenses to the ill gotten games (meaning, you couldn't even legitmately buy them) and a warning would've been more than enough. A permanent downgrade to Silver would've been better. All of that would take some human decision making and a touch of leniency from MS. Which if any empathy exists there, it's probably wrung out by the time any policy becomes official or enforced.

 

Regardless of the reason for losing access to your digital library, this is a sobering reminder that our rights to our digital property are very tenuous and can be taken away in the blink of an eye.

man, this really puts it in perspective. it only seems to solidify my philosophy that tangible, disc based games are the way to go- which sucks, because a lot of stuff that's avaible for download only is really cool (ME DLC, D&D COM, Shadow complex to name a few).

 

let this be a warning to some, and a deterrent for all.

Wow, my condolences.

 

My comment is probably best suited for Part 3 but after seeing that list, that sucks that this happened. Hope you can move on and get behind things like Playstation Plus (I see you are PS+, just mean in general). Not to pick sides but the service is, in my opinion, very worth it even if you look at it as rentals (~$1 or less per game). That build up of games over the years and never lose access to as long as you are a subscriber can grow huge. A gamer with less and less time can survive on that catalog incoming monthly alone, and the PS+ sales for games you really want to play. That said, I still think:

 

Digital Only Distribution is not the future.

 

I still very strongly think it will not happen, but obviously Sony/MS/Publishers want to push it to make it happen. If Xbox Two and PS5 are Digital only, I can 100% guarantee the Wii R Sorry from Nintendo will still be disc based. They only just recently found out about the Internet, Youtube, and things like Twitch. They are so behind I just can't see them going full digital.

 

I'll break out the CDs, DVDs, and Blu-ray talk now. CDs are still around and still sold at my local stores. Physical medium is here to stay for more than a measly 10 years. So I hate it when game "journalists" or others claim Digital only is the future and it's happening. I'll reiterate "Digital only". Of course there will be a Digital future, even a majority of sales some day, but it'll be a sad day if gaming goes Digital Only.

 

I thought about this very long and hard over the month+ when everyone thought the Xbox "rumors"(actually the truth, Adam Orth debacle) were rumors but I took as true. I was in denial and looked at it as good, since I could skip next gen and focus on so much current gen I missed. It would take me years to catch up anyway and save me money. But when that MS help page went up explaining how Xbox screw you One will work, just a few days before E3, my heart sank to my stomach and churned.

 

I'm passionate about gaming and seeing that happen to something I love since I was a kid was horrible. The idea of a closed system (XBLA, PSN) dictating the market is bad. As we've seen in the past, they do not "clearance" out games to make room for new games since there is no shelf space. Sure I agree PSN has had some amazing sales over the last year and services like PS+ are a huge leap forward. But things like Siren (the only way to get that game in USA, digital only) are full price and have been for years. In comparison I can go to a garage sale, 2nd hand store, or get from a friend a used copy of ____ for an old system or even current gen for $0-3.

 

I watched the Xbox conf at E3, was still upset. Watching it was torture and it sucked. Then the PS conf at E3, when those announcements were made I did feel joy/relief. I can see why the whole room cheered and cheered. It was not unprofessional at all, but deserved. They may have "not changed anything, doing it just like last time" in the big picture, but considering the alternative, it was a huge relief, very audible relief even. Things like PS Indie support and even having Indie games at E3 press conf stage and heck, even when they announced the system back in Feb is not "doing the same thing" and shows me they are still moving forward.

 

For myself moving forward, I will eventually adapt to next gen in 2014, more likely 2015 when the exclusives stop being multi-gen. And when I do, it'll still be mainly physical discs with things like PS+ if they keep up the IGC. I'll still be upset and hold a grudge that all XBLA/PSN purchases will not carry over, in fact losing them even though they'll be listed on Download History. "Just keep your old system" isn't good enough of an excuse for me. If they want us to go digital, don't punish us for upgrading.

 

"They" say next gen will be a 10 year plan, but they said that about last gen and we haven't hit that mark yet, still a way off. I know how I feel now, I will not buy a digital only console (original Xbox1 plans included) and I strongly feel others feel that way too. Of course, in 10 years I'll be 42, have even less time for gaming, and see no reason to get a new console that I wouldn't play much anyway. Things may change in 2023, because every little brat will probably have/had an iPhone in their crib and will be old enough to be target demographics for the gaming industry. But I'm pretty confident I won't follow.

 

If you take away free games, and even account for games bought on sale (say, $2-$7 per XBLA game, but I do see some full $60 games in there. Those couldn't have been that cheap) that is a huge loss and I can't fathom losing it. Like having your gaming room burn down.

 

Micheal Pachter was right, a console sold is worth $2,000-$3,000 so subsidizing like cell phones is a smart move. And pissing off customers so they go to the competition is not good. But hey, here is $600,000,000 in advertising! (NFL counts with that #)

 

Edit: The first person to say "But but but, Steam!" should be banned. If you can't see how Steam is different and PC is actually 'open' with lots of competing markets (hey look at that, even PHYSICAL retail stores sell PC games), then I feel sorry for you.

That's pretty awful. Punishment seems just a tad excessive for the offense.

 

Agree 100%.  And I thought my ban from Yahoo! Games Until Dec. 31, 2020, which I received about 5 years ago after my friends used it to cheat at games and people reported them, was excessive.  At least my work-around for that is just to play stuff on my wife's account or create a new FREE account.

 

I won't be getting a next-gen console any time soon because of the huge backlog of games I have.  But when I do, I'm very tempted to give PS a chance for the first time in my life.

Jesus Christ, dude, that sucks.  At least you got through most of the great stuff on your "lost forever" list, but losing the ME2 DLC hurts - that stuff's pretty great.  Just get the PS3 version that has everything but Shadow Broker.

 

I still have a One ordered, but I made the decision long ago to go with the PS4 as my primary device.  After getting into my PS3 backlog a little more recently, and with all the great stuff coming out on PS3 at the end of this generation, I find myself never turning on my 360 these days.  The 360 was definitely the console to own for a lot of this generation, IMO, but these days it's a no-brainer to go primary PS3/PS4.  I only wish Sony had gotten their act together sooner this gen.

 

And now I'm rambling.

 

I agree with your ramblings.  Before the ban I was rarely touching my Xbox 360 anyway. And yeah, losing the ME2 DLC sucked! Like you said, I'm gonna try and get some type of complete edition on the PS3.

 

 

I wish someone somehow had statistics on the number of people who own El Shaddai but haven't played it. I bet it's like half the people that own it.

You know what I bet would've been equally effective in deterring the foreign account behavior? A goddamn warning!

 

Haha I've owned it 3 times now (I just bought it at Gamestop yesterday) and still haven't played it.  It looks awesome, but people say the combat is really shallow and that kind of turns me off.

 

And yes, a warning or a temporary ban along with revocation of my licenses for those foreign games would have been more than enough for me to stop downloading them.

 

 

Regardless of the reason for losing access to your digital library, this is a sobering reminder that our rights to our digital property are very tenuous and can be taken away in the blink of an eye.

 

This is very very true.  I've always known my digital collection was never always going to be mine.  I didn't expect to lose them this early, but I knew I'd lose them eventually.  I'll talk more about this in the last part of this blog series.

You forgot to add the inability to download patches for certain disc based games.  Even if you still have the DLC on the drive some games will be unable to recognise it without a patch(Civilization Revolution comes to mind) and hell some disc base games won't even function without one.  Best example of this I can think of is one Tiger Woods games my brother bought, without a patch he can only play two holes on it, after that it crashes.  This is another unfortunate thing about today's gaming standards is every game has to be patched in some form or another,  Hell I can't even remember the last time any release didn't need a day one patch for some sort or another.  Being banned your left out in the cold in this regard and while yes you can find ways around it to get the patches you need, it isn't easy and is a convoluted process.

 

Being in almost the same boat as you, you've really hit most of the points that I'm feeling as well.  Well done.

Wow, my condolences.

 

My comment is probably best suited for Part 3 but after seeing that list, that sucks that this happened. Hope you can move on and get behind things like Playstation Plus (I see you are PS+, just mean in general). Not to pick sides but the service is, in my opinion, very worth it even if you look at it as rentals (~$1 or less per game). That build up of games over the years and never lose access to as long as you are a subscriber can grow huge. A gamer with less and less time can survive on that catalog incoming monthly alone, and the PS+ sales for games you really want to play. That said, I still think:

 

Digital Only Distribution is not the future.

 

I still very strongly think it will not happen, but obviously Sony/MS/Publishers want to push it to make it happen. If Xbox Two and PS5 are Digital only, I can 100% guarantee the Wii R Sorry from Nintendo will still be disc based. They only just recently found out about the Internet, Youtube, and things like Twitch. They are so behind I just can't see them going full digital.

 

I'll break out the CDs, DVDs, and Blu-ray talk now. CDs are still around and still sold at my local stores. Physical medium is here to stay for more than a measly 10 years. So I hate it when game "journalists" or others claim Digital only is the future and it's happening. I'll reiterate "Digital only". Of course there will be a Digital future, even a majority of sales some day, but it'll be a sad day if gaming goes Digital Only.

 

I thought about this very long and hard over the month+ when everyone thought the Xbox "rumors"(actually the truth, Adam Orth debacle) were rumors but I took as true. I was in denial and looked at it as good, since I could skip next gen and focus on so much current gen I missed. It would take me years to catch up anyway and save me money. But when that MS help page went up explaining how Xbox screw you One will work, just a few days before E3, my heart sank to my stomach and churned.

 

I'm passionate about gaming and seeing that happen to something I love since I was a kid was horrible. The idea of a closed system (XBLA, PSN) dictating the market is bad. As we've seen in the past, they do not "clearance" out games to make room for new games since there is no shelf space. Sure I agree PSN has had some amazing sales over the last year and services like PS+ are a huge leap forward. But things like Siren (the only way to get that game in USA, digital only) are full price and have been for years. In comparison I can go to a garage sale, 2nd hand store, or get from a friend a used copy of ____ for an old system or even current gen for $0-3.

 

I watched the Xbox conf at E3, was still upset. Watching it was torture and it sucked. Then the PS conf at E3, when those announcements were made I did feel joy/relief. I can see why the whole room cheered and cheered. It was not unprofessional at all, but deserved. They may have "not changed anything, doing it just like last time" in the big picture, but considering the alternative, it was a huge relief, very audible relief even. Things like PS Indie support and even having Indie games at E3 press conf stage and heck, even when they announced the system back in Feb is not "doing the same thing" and shows me they are still moving forward.

 

For myself moving forward, I will eventually adapt to next gen in 2014, more likely 2015 when the exclusives stop being multi-gen. And when I do, it'll still be mainly physical discs with things like PS+ if they keep up the IGC. I'll still be upset and hold a grudge that all XBLA/PSN purchases will not carry over, in fact losing them even though they'll be listed on Download History. "Just keep your old system" isn't good enough of an excuse for me. If they want us to go digital, don't punish us for upgrading.

 

"They" say next gen will be a 10 year plan, but they said that about last gen and we haven't hit that mark yet, still a way off. I know how I feel now, I will not buy a digital only console (original Xbox1 plans included) and I strongly feel others feel that way too. Of course, in 10 years I'll be 42, have even less time for gaming, and see no reason to get a new console that I wouldn't play much anyway. Things may change in 2023, because every little brat will probably have/had an iPhone in their crib and will be old enough to be target demographics for the gaming industry. But I'm pretty confident I won't follow.

 

If you take away free games, and even account for games bought on sale (say, $2-$7 per XBLA game, but I do see some full $60 games in there. Those couldn't have been that cheap) that is a huge loss and I can't fathom losing it. Like having your gaming room burn down.

 

Micheal Pachter was right, a console sold is worth $2,000-$3,000 so subsidizing like cell phones is a smart move. And pissing off customers so they go to the competition is not good. But hey, here is $600,000,000 in advertising! (NFL counts with that #)

 

Edit: The first person to say "But but but, Steam!" should be banned. If you can't see how Steam is different and PC is actually 'open' with lots of competing markets (hey look at that, even PHYSICAL retail stores sell PC games), then I feel sorry for you.

 

you make so many good point, I could kiss you lol.

 

a close friend of mine on XBL has (since the XBONE/E3/backtracking bs) completely been turned off from his system/investment. He has almost 120000 Gamerscore and bought 95% of his stuff digitally.

 

Its a shame how MS wants to turn their back on those who have made them thrive in the current gen. I certainly won't be buying their next console.

You forgot to add the inability to download patches for certain disc based games.  Even if you still have the DLC on the drive some games will be unable to recognise it without a patch(Civilization Revolution comes to mind) and hell some disc base games won't even function without one.  Best example of this I can think of is one Tiger Woods games my brother bought, without a patch he can only play two holes on it, after that it crashes.  This is another unfortunate thing about today's gaming standards is every game has to be patched in some form or another,  Hell I can't even remember the last time any release didn't need a day one patch for some sort or another.  Being banned your left out in the cold in this regard and while yes you can find ways around it to get the patches you need, it isn't easy and is a convoluted process.

 

Being in almost the same boat as you, you've really hit most of the points that I'm feeling as well.  Well done.

Very good point, I never thought about patches.

 

Makes it a little bit more clear as to why MS wanted to push always online + check ins along with previous reasons. They wanted all this stuff to be done in the background so we wouldn't notice or care. But now things like Forza 5 are shipping incomplete (you can't even beat the game w/o a patch + DL, maybe only half the campaign is on the disc) are in the news and exposed.

Thats pretty rough man, I feel for you.  I'd be really upset if the same thing happened to me, even if I knew I had done something to bring it upon myself (I personally think the punishment doesnt fit the "crime" at all in this instance).  I can also say this would totally sour my views of MS and would definitely sway my decision for the next gen.  

 

I dont even think EA had the audacity to ban anyone's Origin account who managed to get the entire Origin catalog for free during their "one free game"  glitch.

Hopefully you learn your lesson that being a thief is wrong on many levels. Can't say that I feel bad for you.

How was it stealing? Nothing was stolen. Also its M$ fault for pricing it as FREE!!.

 

Cant steal something that was free.

The OP said he "stole" games. I didn't research it, but now understand. That's a bit harsh to lose licensing for purchased content. I'll agree with that, but I guess MS will do whatever they want. I originally thought the punishment was better than prison, but now that I know the details prison would have never happened.

Yeah, for the heading I didn't want to be too wordy, so I used "stole" even though it's not technically correct.

 

I also considered using a separate heading of "Games Microsoft "stole" from me" since it would also be technically correct.  I owned those games and Microsoft took them from me, similarly but different to what I did to them.  

Tyler, I know you're busy as we all are, but any idea when "The Aftermath" will get posted, I'd like to read the rest of the story of what happened and the after effects.

 

Still sorry to hear about this, just read ChronoGear's (sorry for your loss CG) comment about buying out of region (which Sony seems to care one wonk about) and think that's stupid as to what happened and why they wouldn't bother to even hear you out.

Tyler, I know you're busy as we all are, but any idea when "The Aftermath" will get posted, I'd like to read the rest of the story of what happened and the after effects.

 

Still sorry to hear about this, just read ChronoGear's (sorry for your loss CG) comment about buying out of region (which Sony seems to care one wonk about) and think that's stupid as to what happened and why they wouldn't bother to even hear you out.

 

Just looking at my schedule, I'll probably write and post it Monday afternoon.

Sigh...just remember you're not alone Tyler.  I'm still pissed.  MS is still costing me money as I'm  contemplating a ps3 just to support the competition.  I had a 220gb or I would have lost a lot more.  

 

Thing that upsets me the most is how they can jack up my hardware.  It would be nice to clear off a few things from my HD in order to install games.  I mean my Dragon Age Origins and Oblivion Game of the year editions are worthless now since my Harddrive has been corrupted and I can't install the DLC from the discs to actually be able to play it.  

 

So a word to the wise...don't deal with MS.  If you do something they disagree with or think you did something they disagree with, you risk losing a lot.  Can't trust a company that can wipe out your software library AND cripple your hardware.  

So far I haven't run into any issues with corrupted hard drives or things not loading and playing off of it.  To be honest I haven't done a whole lot with it since the ban, but the few games I tried to run worked fine.  Luckily, I had no DLC on there that I still need to play.

You technically abused a loophole they created.  The correct response, for them, should have been:  "Warning!", and then closing said loophole.

 

Instead, they're removing your rights for 250 games you paid good money for, as well as the money on your account and in your subscription.   That's far closer to theft than anything you did.

 

Meanwhile, over in Sony land, many of us gameshared for years and all Sony did was close the loophole.  Good on Sony.

 

Sorry to hear about all this, and it's definitely a 'warning' about our digital future.  However, in many ways I think it's more of a warning against Microsoft...  I don't see Steam or Sony account banning on a whim.

 

That Microsoft specifically doesn't allow appeals is even worse;  I mean, heck, someone's kid or brother could do this account loophole and get someone else's console/account banned.  Or, worse, MS could simply make a mistake... but you'd have no recourse.

 

Ugh, sorry you lost all that.  MS's response is so over the top and consumer-unfriendly it makes me angry.  That they'd be burning known supporters right before the next gen blows my mind.

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