Mods lock please or move to Vs board

[Ikohn4ever]

Well being there is a Portman topless and a King of Jew thread, I figured I would post this.

"A priority for me is definitely that I'd like to raise my kids Jewish, but the ultimate thing is to have someone who is a good person and who is a partner... I get much more Jewish in Israel."

But her father is still very much in touch with his roots - and he loves to make jokes at the expense of her gentile boyfriends. She adds, "He always makes this stupid joke with my new boyfriend, who is not Jewish. He says, 'It's just a simple operation.'"

http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/natalie-portman/natalie-portman-wants-a-nice-jewish-boy-001440

Take that suckers, I am one step above of all of you non-chosen people


and another portman note, there is a rumor she is playing Indiana Jone's daughter in the new flick

[jaykrue]

Well being there is a Portman topless and a King of Jew thread, I figured I would post this.

"A priority for me is definitely that I'd like to raise my kids Jewish, but the ultimate thing is to have someone who is a good person and who is a partner... I get much more Jewish in Israel."

But her father is still very much in touch with his roots - and he loves to make jokes at the expense of her gentile boyfriends. She adds, "He always makes this stupid joke with my new boyfriend, who is not Jewish. He says, 'It's just a simple operation.'"

http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/natalie-portman/natalie-portman-wants-a-nice-jewish-boy-001440

Take that suckers, I am one step above of all of you non-chosen people


and another portman note, there is a rumor she is playing Indiana Jone's daughter in the new flick
Well, Jews aren't the only proponents of the sausage snip. Being raised Catholic, I'm more than qualified as I've already gotten the cut.8-)

[flowery]

Bastard...

I don't think sblymnl would appreciate this if he was around either.

Edit: Yeah I am cut as well but nowhere near Jewish.

[Ikohn4ever]

all you other cutters are just imitators of the game

[jmcc]

I bet if I bulldozed some Arab's houses she'd totally go out with me.

[Roufuss]

and another portman note, there is a rumor she is playing Indiana Jone's daughter in the new flick

She's gotta be fucking George Lucas, or something.

[Fire]

I bet if I bulldozed some Arab's houses she'd totally go out with me.

That was a totally inane and retarded comment to make. Hat's off to you. Each day I see more and more the pretentious posts of CAG.

Edit: And you know what, just because I feel like I should condescend to your level to make a point, perhaps I should go out into some crowded market place and blow myself up to kill innocent women and children. Oh and let's not forget that I should also be wishing for the destruction of a culture/race.

[jmcc]

That was a totally inane and retarded comment to make. Hat's off to you. Each day I see more and more the pretentious posts of CAG.Yeah, what was I thinking, bringing up something so trivial as Israel and Palestine's ongoing war? The region is known for so much more than that.

edit: p.s., guess which side has more non-combatant deaths to their credit between Israel and Palestine.

[Fire]

Yeah, what was I thinking, bringing up something so trivial as Israel and Palestine's ongoing war? The region is known for so much more than that.
Yaeh, WHAT THE fuck WERE YOU THINKING?!?! Good question you should have been asking yourself when you made the stupid fucking post. This is god damn thread about Natalie Portman and you come in here for some political talk. Go off to the vs forum and keep it there, oh let's at least have a good point to make while we're at it.

[Apossum]

Yeah, what was I thinking, bringing up something so trivial as Israel and Palestine's ongoing war? The region is known for so much more than that.


you realize calling a pretty shitty war (or w/e you wanna call it) "trivial" looks pretty weak, right?

[jaykrue]

Now, now, let's not derail a perfectly good conversation about circumcised penii & Natalie Portman with political banter.

all you other cutters are just imitators of the game

:rofl:

[jmcc]

you realize calling a pretty shitty war (or w/e you wanna call it) "trivial" looks pretty weak, right?Yeah, actually it was facetious, it's a serious problem area in the world. Fire is the one who thinks someone's political views play no part in their acceptability as a mate. I'm of the opinion that if Portman is a backer of Israel's policies my lack of Jewish faith would be the last of the trouble with the relationship.

[Fire]

Yeah, what was I thinking, bringing up something so trivial as Israel and Palestine's ongoing war? The region is known for so much more than that.

edit: p.s., guess which side has more non-combatant deaths to their credit between Israel and Palestine.

So you are simply discrediting every Suicide terrorist bomber that attacks Israel because Palestine has more non-combatant deaths? You're kidding right? Personally I think (and know having lived there) that if Israel did not have such an offensive stance that it would be much higher. I have had friends die on buses and because Palestinians have had more casualities makes them right? How would you like it if you were under the threat of a bomb exploding at any given moment and especially on a train/bus that you went on to get to work? Again, you are saying that wishing for the destruction of a state should be allowed? And yes the Palestine/Israel conflict (it's not a war) is pretty crappy, but is blowing yourself off and causing/wishing death and destruction better? Defending yourself is in no way wrong in my book

What they do is not a political stance, not an expression of faith, etc. There are many ways to show your disagreement with something that doesn't involve you blowing yourself up. Have you not of heard of Martin Luther King Jr. or Gandhi? Perhaps something along the line of civil disobedience?

Blowing yourself up at a family's bar mitzvah celebration or at a passover dinner party, i don't even know how to say, but there is no way to defend such a thing as being right.

[jmcc]

Now, now, let's not derail a perfectly good conversation about circumcised penii & Natalie Portman with political banter.

:rofl:I'd have to become a real technician in bed if I were to start nailing her with regularity. My ego couldn't take anything but actual orgasms from her and she's too poor an actress to fake them.

[Fire]

I'd have to become a real technician in bed if I were to start nailing her with regularity. My ego couldn't take anything but actual orgasms from her and she's too poor an actress to fake them.

I'm not even going to take this where I was thinking as it isn't even worth it. And I'm done with this, because as is known, arguing over the internet is useless.

[Xevious]

Natalie Portman is not unique. there are a lot of Jewish people who would only date Jewish people.

[jmcc]

So you are simply discrediting every Suicide terrorist bomber that attacks Israel because Palestine has more non-combatant deaths? You're kidding right? Personally I think (and know having lived there) that if Israel did not have such an offensive stance that it would be much higher. I have had friends die on buses and because Palestinians have had more casualities makes them right? How would you like it if you were under the threat of a bomb exploding at any given moment and especially on a train/bus that you went on to get to work? Again, you are saying that wishing for the destruction of a state should be allowed? And yes the Palestine/Israel conflict (it's not a war) is pretty crappy, but is blowing yourself off and causing/wishing death and destruction better? Defending yourself is in no way wrong in my bookYou were the one who brought up innocent victims of the war. I pointed out that Israel kills more innocent people per annum than Palestinians.

[jmcc]

Natalie Portman is not unique. there are a lot of Jewish people who would only date Jewish people.I don't see her partner's Jewishness as all that important. It's a matrilineal system, so her kids end up Jews whether their baby-daddy is or not. And she's rich enough to hire an army of Rabbis if she wants her kids brought up in the Jewish tradition...assuming she doesn't just mean whatever the Jewish equivalent of the Sunday Christian is.

[Fire]

You were the one who brought up innocent victims of the war. I pointed out that Israel kills more innocent people per annum than Palestinians.

What!?!? Yaeh uh o.k. whatever you said. Must have lost the point somewhere in there. At least CAG has ignore feature.

[jmcc]

What!?!? Yaeh uh o.k. whatever you said. Must have lost the point somewhere in there. At least CAG has ignore feature.Look, it's simple. If she does in fact support Israel's politics (I have no idea what she means by "I get more Jewish in Israel") that's cause for me to question her character. You can bluster all you want about your friends getting killed and suicide bombs, but the fact remains that I don't agree with the way either side is handling that particular situation over there, especially not the much better armed side. If that causing me to rule out dating Portman (as if that was the only thing that ruled it out!) bothers you, well, too bad.

[Ikohn4ever]

wow you guys really hijacked the thread and jmcc getting more jewish is prob the spirituality of living in Israel, i have a few friends who went there and came back a lot more spiritually aware of their judiasm

[jmcc]

wow you guys really hijacked the thread and jmcc getting more jewish is prob the spirituality of living in Israel, i have a few friends who went there and came back a lot more spiritually aware of their judiasmIt's a disorder on the Christian side of things. I can't recall what it's called, but people go over there and they go a little insane, all thinking their Biblical figures and whatnot. It's funny.

[flowery]

I think they got some good drugs over there that helps thim.

[Metal Boss]

I bet if I bulldozed some Arab's houses she'd totally go out with me.


haha

[jPoD]

I guess I win. Maybe I should give her a call? :) I certainly would go out with her. Anyway, JMCC, you're an idiot. You know nothing about the Jewish faith, and Israel in general. I'm guessing living in the German rhineland of Wisconsin you dont get the opportunity to meet too many Jews. For shame, you look like a radical pro-palestine idiot.

[jmcc]

I guess I win. Maybe I should give her a call? :) I certainly would go out with her. Anyway, JMCC, you're an idiot. You know nothing about the Jewish faith, and Israel in general. I'm guessing living in the German rhineland of Wisconsin you dont get the opportunity to meet too many Jews. For shame, you look like a radical pro-palestine idiot.Yeah, living in Wisconsin does make it pretty much impossible to learn anything about Israel. It's not like there's any news of any kind, nor libraries or internet access here.

[flowery]

Stop egging on all this hate.

[jPoD]

Yeah, living in Wisconsin does make it pretty much impossible to learn anything about Israel. It's not like there's any news of any kind, nor libraries or internet access here.

How bout buying a fucking plane ticket and GOING to these places yourself. Your bullshit 'CNN told me ____' is retarded. Experience shit for yourself or else you're just brain washed. But now youll probably tell me you study Israel/Palestine relations, and justify terrorist bombings.

[flowery]

Seriously jPoD stop.

[jmcc]

How bout buying a fucking plane ticket and GOING to these places yourself. Your bullshit 'CNN told me ____' is retarded. Experience shit for yourself or else you're just brain washed. But now youll probably tell me you study Israel/Palestine relations, and justify terrorist bombings.So, I need street cred to talk about Israeli-Palestinian relations? That's maybe the worst argument ever for anything. I guess it's easier than trying to back anything up with facts, though.

[jPoD]

So, I need street cred to talk about Israeli-Palestinian relations? That's maybe the worst argument ever for anything. I guess it's easier than trying to back anything up with facts, though.

Experience it for yourself before you base everything off of CNN.

Seriously jPoD stop.

Why is it that whenever my people are in question, i'm the one asked to stop. No.

[jmcc]

Experience it for yourself before you base everything off of CNN.

Why is it that whenever my people are in question, i'm the one asked to stop. No.Should people experience gunshot wounds before they're allowed to say guns can be dangerous? You're not even trying to put forth a valid argument. And "your people?" Who? Jews? It is acceptable to question what Israel does seperately from Jews in general. To say otherwise is like saying that you can't talk about what lame-asses the Branch Davidians were without also insulting all Christians. It's a fallacious argument tactic.

[flowery]

Why is it that whenever my people are in question, i'm the one asked to stop. No.

Comments like that.

[Stoneage]

Jmcc doesn't care about Jewish people!
http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0903/4932118_400X300.jpg

[jPoD]

I'm done. You people can just stick to your rediculous opinions.

[jPoD]

Jmcc doesn't care about Jewish people!
http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0903/4932118_400X300.jpg

Not only that, but he talks like an anti-semite.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'm Jewish, and by Jewish, I mean Asian.

[jmcc]

I'm Jewish, and by Jewish, I mean Asian.Man, you must be a Mahjong MACHINE.

[Ikohn4ever]

Not only that, but he talks like an anti-semite.


man chill out, if you dont like Israel it doesnt mean you are an anti-semite, and if you are really that worked up about it, just ignore it.

[jPoD]

man chill out, if you dont like Israel it doesnt mean you are an anti-semite, and if you are really that worked up about it, just ignore it.

I'm aware, but comments like these are completely asinine:

"I bet if I bulldozed some Arab's houses she'd totally go out with me."

[jmcc]

man chill out, if you dont like Israel it doesnt mean you are an anti-semite, and if you are really that worked up about it, just ignore it.I don't even dislike Israel, just their army's policies against Palestine. They're England vs. Palestine's Ireland and they'd do well to study how that conflict was resolved in the end. They need to quit taking pages from the U.S.'s strategy book, because we have a history of failure when it comes to suppressing guerillas. In retrospect, I can't believe Nat supports their recent efforts, so I apologise to her, but still decline her requests for nailing, because I'm not down with vegetarianism.

[Fire]

I'm aware, but comments like these are completely asinine:

"I bet if I bulldozed some Arab's houses she'd totally go out with me."

Agreed. He's being a total dickhead and all anybody can say is that he is right.

[Ledhed]

Agreed. He's being a total dickhead and all anybody can say is that he is right.

Cry me a goddamn river, all of you. Don't like what he said? Ignore it.

Also,
Each day I see more and more the pretentious posts of CAG.

Each day I see more and more people using the word pretentious (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious) incorrectly.

Now, back to the penis jokes.

[jmcc]

Cry me a goddamn river, all of you. Don't like what he said? Ignore it.

Also,


Each day I see more and more people using the word pretentious (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious) incorrectly.

Now, back to the penis jokes.I don't even care about people arguing with me, but back up your points or at least clearly define what you're upset about. Is it that I said Natalie would be in favor of Israel's tactics? I already apologised for that, as I based it on what was probably a misunderstanding of the quote in the original post. Other than that, I don't think I've posted anything that isn't factual.

[jPoD]

Cry me a goddamn river, all of you. Don't like what he said? Ignore it.

Also,


Each day I see more and more people using the word pretentious (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious) incorrectly.

Now, back to the penis jokes.

You'd think a mod would say something when someone makes such an inane and inappropriate comment, but whatever. I'm done with this shit.

[Fire]

Cry me a goddamn river, all of you. Don't like what he said? Ignore it.



Thanks I did ignore him. Oh and where is your English degree? Sorry, but this thread probably ought to be in the vs forums by now I'd think. That or locked.

[graf1k]

Can we all go back to wishing we were allowed to fuck Natalie Portman yet?

This arguing over Israel v. Palestine is stupid. Both are in the wrong and people that can't see that have blinders on to the situation. Besides, when the entire free world can't settle the conflict what makes anybody think a bunch of nerds on a gaming site are going to fair any better?

[jPoD]

**Looks at bottom of Stuka's sig**

[graf1k]

The crosses? Big deal, the majority of the United States is some form of Christian. If that is going to be your barometer for people, you might have quite a problem in most of the Western World. Besides, I like the æsthetics of the cross only. I haven't been to church in years other than Christmas Eve. I mean, I'm Episcopalian for God's sake. We've got a woman running the church and gay bishops. We aren't exactly radical Christian extremists....

I thought if anything you'd take issue with the name (Stuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuka)).

[hiccupleftovers]

Let's see, to sum up this thread, jmcc was an asshole, bunch of nobodies were arguing, Natalie Portman is hotttttt, plus one for me, I have better chances than quite a few people, jmcc was an asshole, and Natalie Portman has more talent than 99% of the women in hollywood and the people I always hear as being hot, etc. Obviously people haven't seen her roles/enough of them. And yes she is in the upper echelon (my number 1 actually tied with Scarlett and teh Albas) with Hathaway (probably tied. Havoc sucked, but damn does she have some titties.) I think I summed it up. OH and jmcc was an asshole and I disagree greatly with his opinion of the conflict, but obviously like somebody else said, what are a bunch of gaming people gonna really do?

[jmcc]

Let's see, to sum up this thread, jmcc was an asshole, bunch of nobodies were arguing, Natalie Portman is hotttttt, plus one for me, I have better chances than quite a few people, jmcc was an asshole, and Natalie Portman has more talent than 99% of the women in hollywood and the people I always hear as being hot, etc. Obviously people haven't seen her roles/enough of them. And yes she is in the upper echelon (my number 1 actually tied with Scarlett and teh Albas) with Hathaway (probably tied. Havoc sucked, but damn does she have some titties.) I think I summed it up. OH and jmcc was an asshole and I disagree greatly with his opinion of the conflict, but obviously like somebody else said, what are a bunch of gaming people gonna really do?Ah, the don't back-up anything you say and just call me an anti-semite for pointing out facts strategy. That seems very popular today.

[usickenme]

sorry but jmcc was NOT an a-hole.

It was a friggin joke people. A bit off-color and insensitve but a joke none the less.

[mykevermin]

(I have no idea what she means by "I get more Jewish in Israel")

It's like saying "I get more Polish in Chicago," or "I get more Italian in Jersey." She's a ho, and very subtley likes to admit it publicly.

Godamnit people. DEMOGRAPHY!

Anyway, here's the deal:
http://www.jafi.org.il/agenda/9-1c.jpg
THAT is an anti-semite.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=5382&dateline=2005
THAT is an asshole.

I dislike the Israeli state very greatly, and have no love for the Palestinians either (but a touch more sympathy for them), but if you dare call me an Anti-Semite, I'll punch you in the fucking circumcision.

[Mookyjooky]

The crosses? Big deal, the majority of the United States is some form of Christian. If that is going to be your barometer for people, you might have quite a problem in most of the Western World. Besides, I like the æsthetics of the cross only. I haven't been to church in years other than Christmas Eve. I mean, I'm Episcopalian for God's sake. We've got a woman running the church and gay bishops. We aren't exactly radical Christian extremists....

I thought if anything you'd take issue with the name (Stuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuka)).

Sweet, another Wiskey-palian.... =)

[hiccupleftovers]

Ah, the don't back-up anything you say and just call me an anti-semite for pointing out facts strategy. That seems very popular today.

First off, I don't argue on the internet. It's just for retards and I will call you that, but I never called you an anti-semite, though that is what you could be perceived as. And again, I will also call you an asshole. Thank you and good day sir.

[mingleje]

First off, I don't argue on the internet. It's just for retards and I will call you that, but I never called you an anti-semite, though that is what you could be perceived as. And again, I will also call you an asshole. Thank you and good day sir.

Agreed with, he never called you an anti-semite, I read the whole thread. I also agree you are an asshole, and the mods should of shut this trash down 2 pages ago.

[Number83]

heh...circumcised Wii...

[CrimGhost]

I've been snipped and stay Kosher, but im not Jewish...or am I? Anyway, Israel should not exist.

[E-Z-B]

Ah, threads like these are why I keep coming back to CAG. :lol:

[jPoD]

I've been snipped and stay Kosher, but im not Jewish...or am I? Anyway, Israel should not exist.

If you're seriously Jewish, then you're an embarrassment to our people. Regardless, saying the state of Israel shouldnt exist is the most retarded thing posted thus far. Shut up, and go back to your radical church, churchy.

[E-Z-B]

Actually, didn't christians generally support the recreation of Israel? I think they generally acknowledge its importance, especially in the Book of Revelation. After all, armagaeddon can't happen without it.

[CrimGhost]

If you're seriously Jewish, then you're an embarrassment to our people. Regardless, saying the state of Israel shouldnt exist is the most retarded thing posted thus far. Shut up, and go back to your radical church, churchy.

Wow, it was a joke and im not a Jew. Get the sand out of your vagina, jPoD. And does anyone know the meaning of this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/CrimGhost/IMG_0033New.jpg

[jPoD]

Wow, it was a joke and im not a Jew. Get the sand out of your vagina, jPoD. And does anyone know the meaning of this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/CrimGhost/IMG_0033New.jpg


OMG LOLZ FunNaY! ....No. As for that? Radicals I guess? It doesnt say anything in the Torah about rejecting a jewish state.

[jaykrue]

Wow, it was a joke and im not a Jew. Get the sand out of your vagina, jPoD. And does anyone know the meaning of this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/CrimGhost/IMG_0033New.jpg
Read:

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/IDParade060103.cfm

As well as:

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/index.cfm

[jPoD]

Read:

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/IDParade060103.cfm

As well as:

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/index.cfm

Most of that is a load of crap. 99% of Jews dont believe in that trash.

[jaykrue]

Most of that is a load of crap. 99% of Jews dont believe in that trash.

I doubt you speak for everyone as the pic & links prove otherwise. Fact of the matter is Israel isn't completely devoid of complicity of displacing hundreds (if not thousands) of Palestinians from their homes. Being jewish doesn't grant one complete immunity in global injustice. The Israel-Palestinian conflict has been around for a while and probably escalated since the establishment of the Jewish state in 1947. The establishment of Israel, in an attempt to provide a place for migrant Jews fleeing from the horrors of Nazi Germany, ended up causing just as much strife for the displaced Palestinians. Remember the old cliche, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." That is certainly the case here. Yeah, jmcc's comment was quite distasteful. However, the fact of the matter is that Israel isn't the benign capital as perceived by most people in the Western Hemisphere.

[jPoD]

I doubt you speak for everyone as the pic & links prove otherwise. Fact of the matter is Israel isn't completely devoid of complicity of displacing hundreds (if not thousands) of Palestinians from their homes. Being jewish doesn't grant one complete immunity in global injustice. The Israel-Palestinian conflict has been around for a while and probably escalated since the establishment of the Jewish state in 1947. The establishment of Israel, in an attempt to provide a place for migrant Jews fleeing from the horrors of Nazi Germany, ended up causing just as much strife for the displaced Palestinians. Remember the old cliche, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." That is certainly the case here. Yeah, jmcc's comment was quite distasteful. However, the fact of the matter is that Israel isn't the benign capital as perceived by most people in the Western Hemisphere.

That looks so googled :P

But obviously I dont speak for everyone, but coming from a pretty religious family, and going to a secular school from kindergarten through 7th grade, I know that not too many people feel the way those hasidics do.

[jaykrue]

That looks so googled :P

But obviously I dont speak for everyone, but coming from a pretty religious family, and going to a secular school from kindergarten through 7th grade, I know that not too many people feel the way those hasidics do.

So what if it is googled? Does it negate the information given? Feeling a certain way doesn't negate facts. The fact of the matter is that stuff happened. Whether or not it makes you feel bad/better depends on your point of view. It's not a personal issue to me, being raised Catholic though I lean towards agnosticism/atheism, so I can see this issue w/o emotional bias. Did I get the facts wrong? If so, then please, enlighten me.

[Rei no Otaku]

I banged a Jew once. It was ok.

[graf1k]

Most of that is a load of crap. 99% of Jews dont believe in that trash.

Does that make it true? Having the majority opinion doesn't make you right, even if it is the majority opinion of a minority religion. The problem with Jews that 'don't believe that trash' is that you all think Israel is completely innocent in all of this. The land Israel sits on top of now is where Judaism was born, and so when Britian with the help of the United States handed that land over to the Zionist movement, it was all okay, even if means throwing Palestinians off the land and out of the houses they had owned for centuries, much like how the Nazis threw the Jews out of their homes and off their own land.

What do you think would be the reaction in the United States if the rest of the world decided to band together and told us to get the fuck out of America because they are going to give it back to the Native Americans and Mexico and the United States had no way to fight back? Something along the lines of guerilla war? Most likely. That's not to say the Palestinians' hands are free of blood either, but to just sum it up as "well, they attack Israel with suicide bombers so they are the bad guys" is just naive. To this day, Israel continues to increase their land in the West Bank by encouraging settlers to build further and further west and then build a new wall around it.

[evanft]

Shalom!

[gunm]

Soooo...how about that Natalie Portman? Boy, she sure is hot!





She'd be hotter nekkid, though. :)

[jPoD]

Shalom!

Ma'shlomcha?

[CocheseUGA]

If you're seriously Jewish, then you're an embarrassment to our people. Regardless, saying the state of Israel shouldnt exist is the most retarded thing posted thus far. Shut up, and go back to your radical church, churchy.

You are in serious need of some panooch.

[SMMM]

I banged a Jew once. It was ok.

DETAILS. NAO!

[Fire]

I am going to say this: Israel continues to give up land to pacify them and has for years given them infrastructure, schools, etc. By giving up the land, Israel lost its ability to secore Israels citizens. How do they repay their generosity and their attempts to go down the peace path? Continued launching of rockets into Israel, murders and kidnappings. To hell with these people. They will always cry foul, cry to the UN but yet instigate these hostile acts. When their bridges and powerplants lie in ruines, they will accuse the Israelis of starting and doing everything. Israel has the right to protect itself. Nobody wants to be in the position that Israel is in. To be surrounded by enemies that went only death and destruction, to live in a constant state of fear that your child will die going to the grocery store for milk. These people do not want nor do they understand peace. Israel has been with peace with Egypt and Jordan for years. They may not see eye to eye on everything, but they have been capable of coming to terms with each other. Hamas and Hezbollah made the rules of the game with the ongoing rocket fire into Israel and the abduction of Israeli soldiers. Hamas will not even come to terms with the state of Israel and will not call off its intifidah and its wish for the death of every Jew not only in Israel, but in the world. America went out to Afghanistan to protect itself and Israel has every right to do so. Have both sides acted poorly? Yes, but none moreso than the Palestinians when their own government will not even come to the table for talks, etc.

jmcc probably agrees that what Osama bin Laden and Al Queda did on 9/11 was correct, because - quote as he put "the terrorists have lesser weapons and he probably doesn't agree with America's army's policies against Afghanistan". Give me break. They want to come here, flood our tunnels, destroy our subway system, have already destroyed to of our greatest buildings, cause mayhem destruction, what more is there? These aren't people you can negotiate with. As I said prior, Hamas and Hezbollah made the rules of the game with the ongoing rocket fire into Israel and the abduction of Israeli soldiers.

How do allow these states that sponsor terrorism without any sight of peace to go on?

[E-Z-B]

You are in serious need of some panooch.

Amen! :applause:

[jmcc]

I am going to say this: Israel continues to give up land to pacify them and has for years given them infrastructure, schools, etc. By giving up the land, Israel lost its ability to secore Israels citizens. How do they repay their generosity and their attempts to go down the peace path? Continued launching of rockets into Israel, murders and kidnappings. To hell with these people. They will always cry foul, cry to the UN but yet instigate these hostile acts. When their bridges and powerplants lie in ruines, they will accuse the Israelis of starting and doing everything. Israel has the right to protect itself. Nobody wants to be in the position that Israel is in. To be surrounded by enemies that went only death and destruction, to live in a constant state of fear that your child will die going to the grocery store for milk. These people do not want nor do they understand peace. Israel has been with peace with Egypt and Jordan for years. They may not see eye to eye on everything, but they have been capable of coming to terms with each other. Hamas and Hezbollah made the rules of the game with the ongoing rocket fire into Israel and the abduction of Israeli soldiers. Hamas will not even come to terms with the state of Israel and will not call off its intifidah and its wish for the death of every Jew not only in Israel, but in the world. America went out to Afghanistan to protect itself and Israel has every right to do so. Have both sides acted poorly? Yes, but none moreso than the Palestinians when their own government will not even come to the table for talks, etc.

jmcc probably agrees that what Osama bin Laden and Al Queda did on 9/11 was correct, because - quote as he put "the terrorists have lesser weapons and he probably doesn't agree with America's army's policies against Afghanistan". Give me break. They want to come here, flood our tunnels, destroy our subway system, have already destroyed to of our greatest buildings, cause mayhem destruction, what more is there? These aren't people you can negotiate with. As I said prior, Hamas and Hezbollah made the rules of the game with the ongoing rocket fire into Israel and the abduction of Israeli soldiers.

How do allow these states that sponsor terrorism without any sight of peace to go on?Sure is a lot of "these people" in there.

[jPoD]

You are in serious need of some panooch.

I'm workin on that. Date's next week. Thanks for lookin out for me brah.

[Fire]

Sure is a lot of "these people" in there.

Did you read anymore past that? Hamas, Hizbollah, al Aqsa Marty's Brigade (interesting choice of name, no?) Syria, Iran, etc.

Terrorism is terrorism anyway you name it.

[jmcc]

Did you read anymore past that? Hamas, Hizbollah, al Aqsa Marty's Brigade (interesting choice of name, no?) Syria, Iran, etc.

Terrorism is terrorism anyway you name it.Like, say, cutting off power and water to millions of civilians, causing a humanitarian crisis? Would that be terrorism?

[Stoneage]

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/spaceballcity/barf_th.jpg
Funny, she doesn't look Druish.

[hiccupleftovers]

Like, say, cutting off power and water to millions of civilians, causing a humanitarian crisis? Would that be terrorism?
Damn, mods must be slackin' off. This still hasn't been moved or locked yet.

Anyway, I'm with Fire and jPoD on this one. Israel has attempted to procure peace at least. They have given land, helped with humanitarian needs (do you really think that they have the money to build the infrastructure they need), Israel has provided power and water for years (up until recently). Israel has left posts, given back prisoners, etc.

And let's see, Hizbollah coming to the border staging war, killing and kidnappinng prisoners not terrorism? How about Hamas coming and killing two and abducting one? If memory serves me correct that how the violence and tension escalated this time around. Everytime there seems to be a little bit of quiet, Syria, Lebanon, Palestinians, someone has to rile something up. If Canada just up and started to bomb us from their border, would you just have America stand by and watch?

The UN Security Council has backed and passed plenty of resolutions calling for the disarmament and disbanding of these groups. The Lebonese Government and Palestinians need to take responsibility for the actions of groups within their borders. Hizbollah acts as a state within a state and doesn't even care what the Lebonese government says/sanctions/anything.

And on the matter of humanitarian crisis, what about the soldiers abducted? They have been claimed as Prisoners of War, yet Hamas will not let the Red Cross in to check on them?

And don't you find it interesting just at what time these soldiers were abducted? Right when Israel is in a transitionary time from Sharon to Olmert. This is clearly a test of Olmert's resolve.

Israel is dealing with an enemy who is unrelenting, who does not know what humility is. All they want is the destruction of the Jewish state and all Jews. That's what their religion and Allah supposedly want (not all, just these radicals and those that support them).

As has been said, Israel has the right to defend themselves.

You need to do just as you recommend to others, go read a book and study the matter and turn off CNN/Fox News and perhaps less of these internet discussions.

[jmcc]

Damn, mods must be slackin' off. This still hasn't been moved or locked yet.

Anyway, I'm with Fire and jPoD on this one. Israel has attempted to procure peace at least. They have given land, helped with humanitarian needs (do you really think that they have the money to build the infrastructure they need), Israel has provided power and water for years (up until recently). Israel has left posts, given back prisoners, etc.

And let's see, Hizbollah coming to the border staging war, killing and kidnappinng prisoners not terrorism? How about Hamas coming and killing two and abducting one? If memory serves me correct that how the violence and tension escalated this time around. Everytime there seems to be a little bit of quiet, Syria, Lebanon, Palestinians, someone has to rile something up. If Canada just up and started to bomb us from their border, would you just have America stand by and watch?

The UN Security Council has backed and passed plenty of resolutions calling for the disarmament and disbanding of these groups. The Lebonese Government and Palestinians need to take responsibility for the actions of groups within their borders. Hizbollah acts as a state within a state and doesn't even care what the Lebonese government says/sanctions/anything.

And on the matter of humanitarian crisis, what about the soldiers abducted? They have been claimed as Prisoners of War, yet Hamas will not let the Red Cross in to check on them?

And don't you find it interesting just at what time these soldiers were abducted? Right when Israel is in a transitionary time from Sharon to Olmert. This is clearly a test of Olmert's resolve.

Israel is dealing with an enemy who is unrelenting, who does not know what humility is. All they want is the destruction of the Jewish state and all Jews. That's what their religion and Allah supposedly want (not all, just these radicals and those that support them).

As has been said, Israel has the right to defend themselves.

You need to do just as you recommend to others, go read a book and study the matter and turn off CNN/Fox News and perhaps less of these internet discussions.Simple question, then. Do you think any of Israel's current tactics move them closer to long-term peace?

[Milkyman]

Did you read anymore past that? Hamas, Hizbollah, al Aqsa Marty's Brigade (interesting choice of name, no?) Syria, Iran, etc.

Terrorism is terrorism anyway you name it.

Al Aqsa Marty's Brigade? that sounds like an a-capella group

[Rei no Otaku]

DETAILS. NAO!
She was kind of annoying, but she did have large rack.

[Noodle Pirate!]

It would be interesting to see how much land they(Israel) have "given back" as opposed to taken overall. Have they "given back" more then they continue to take? I wont even bring up all their failed assasination attempts that end up killing more civies: i.e bombing an ice cream truck. Oops, I just did ;P
Both sides are massively in the wrong imo.

[Milkyman]

Back on topic a bit... it would be nice if she had a rack. I think she's hot but sometimes i feel dirty looking at her because she has the body of a teenage boy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/milk-man/NataliePortman-CloserPromoAnother.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/milk-man/NatalePortman-Closerpremiere04.jpg

[MadChedar0]

Simple question, then. Do you think any of Israel's current tactics move them closer to long-term peace?
Thanks jmcc for having some common sense. As for all the Zionist brain washing... you guys should take it to the Vs. forum and jmcc and others can school you there.

On topic... yeah Natalie Portman isn't even that hot.

[Ikohn4ever]

alright i have had enough of this

[hiccupleftovers]

Simple question, then. Do you think any of Israel's current tactics move them closer to long-term peace?

For the short term they must show a resilience and a resolve that they will not give in to terrorist threats, nor stand down to them. They must be able to protect their citizens. If no government wishes to meet them half way and procure peace talks, then they have all the right to do what they have to protect their citizens. Years ago, Barak at the Camp David talks gave Yasser Arafat the deal of a lifetime and he still denied it. Still, there must be plenty of thought as to how much of an offensive/defense Israel is to go and to make sure that much of it is not simply a knee jerk reaction.

The only way way to secure long-term peace is to do it diplomatically. It's simple as that. No ifs, ands, or buts. At the moment, I truly do not see how this can come about. There isn't a strong enough government (or almost one for that matter) to talk to with the Palestinians, nor one that seems willing to even talk. Terrorism continues to prevail and no government will take responsibility, nor attempt to stop the radicals that are within their borders. For the foreseeable (sp) future, the soldiers of the Israelies kidnapped must be returned with a subsequent ceasefire (or at least what can be called a ceasefire) taken place. And mediation must take place. Either the America must come in with stronger international diplomacy (like that will happen with Bush) and try to set things back on the path or at least for things to quiet down a bit. Perhaps Germany can step in like they did a few years ago with Lebanon and the exchange of soldiers.

Oh, one simple question to you....whereas Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. purposely go after civilians: men, women and children and go for places that will cause the most death and destruction (i.e. Bar Mitzvahs, Passover dinners, hotels, etc.) do you truly believe that Israel intentionally seeks out the destruction of children, etc.? I do not condone the death of children and women and civilian innocents, but in a war there are going to be casualties.

[CocheseUGA]

I think the mods should just delete the OT posts and let us continue oogling hotties.

[hiccupleftovers]

It would be interesting to see how much land they(Israel) have "given back" as opposed to taken overall. Have they "given back" more then they continue to take? I wont even bring up all their failed assasination attempts that end up killing more civies: i.e bombing an ice cream truck. Oops, I just did ;P
Both sides are massively in the wrong imo.

Let's not forget the land that the Egypt and Jordan took away from Israel and Palestine during the war of independence (oh i'm sure you know as it hasn't been left out of most history books here, the one that after Israel was made a state, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc. went on decided to attack Israel.)

[jmcc]

For the short term they must show a resilience and a resolve that they will not give in to terrorist threats, nor stand down to them. They must be able to protect their citizens. If no government wishes to meet them half way and procure peace talks, then they have all the right to do what they have to protect their citizens. Years ago, Barak at the Camp David talks gave Yasser Arafat the deal of a lifetime and he still denied it. Still, there must be plenty of thought as to how much of an offensive/defense Israel is to go and to make sure that much of it is not simply a knee jerk reaction.

The only way way to secure long-term peace is to do it diplomatically. It's simple as that. No ifs, ands, or buts. At the moment, I truly do not see how this can come about. There isn't a strong enough government (or almost one for that matter) to talk to with the Palestinians, nor one that seems willing to even talk. Terrorism continues to prevail and no government will take responsibility, nor attempt to stop the radicals that are within their borders. For the foreseeable (sp) future, the soldiers of the Israelies kidnapped must be returned with a subsequent ceasefire (or at least what can be called a ceasefire) taken place. And mediation must take place. Either the America must come in with stronger international diplomacy (like that will happen with Bush) and try to set things back on the path or at least for things to quiet down a bit. Perhaps Germany can step in like they did a few years ago with Lebanon and the exchange of soldiers.

Oh, one simple question to you....whereas Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. purposely go after civilians: men, women and children and go for places that will cause the most death and destruction (i.e. Bar Mitzvahs, Passover dinners, hotels, etc.) do you truly believe that Israel intentionally seeks out the destruction of children, etc.? I do not condone the death of children and women and civilian innocents, but in a war there are going to be casualties.It was a yes or no question that you didn't answer yes or no.

edit: but to answer your question, yes, I certainly do believe Israel targets civilians, directly and indirectly.

[hiccupleftovers]

Thanks jmcc for having some common sense. As for all the Zionist brain washing... you guys should take it to the Vs. forum and jmcc and others can school you there.

On topic... yeah Natalie Portman isn't even that hot.

Zionist brain washing???? Fuck you!:D I won't even thiink about where that one will lead me. I've seen your rants in the VS forum and it is nearly as bad as some that post there like pittsburghafterdark (haven't seen him in awhile, then again I couldn't take any of his bullshit anymore and ignored him). And common sense? Yaeh I won't even try to get into that one. No offense jmcc, but I think only in the last page or so of your posts has this thread cooled down a bit and turn into an actual discussion/debate.

And yaeh, I'm still quite astonished this hasn't gone to the VS yet.

[hiccupleftovers]

It was a yes or no question that you didn't answer yes or no.

edit: but to answer your question, yes, I certainly do believe Israel targets civilians, directly and indirectly.

Interesting....I've seen this tactic taken before time and time again on Fox News. Good job in trying to simplify an issue that has been going on for years and years. I attempted to answer the question wholeheartedly and you manage to write off all that I said.

Indirectly, I am willing to concede to that, but directly...no definitely not. Directly would mean that they purposely go around simply dropping bombs where every they want to try and kill civilians, etc. No that is definitely not how they work. If you want to say it that way, then you have to concede the same thing of our government in Iraq and Afghanistan, and while they may have raped, etc., I do not believe that they go into terminator mode to take out civilians like that.

[jmcc]

Interesting....I've seen this tactic taken before time and time again on Fox News. Good job in trying to simplify an issue that has been going on for years and years. I attempted to answer the question wholeheartedly and you manage to write off all that I said.

Indirectly, I am willing to concede to that, but directly...no definitely not. Directly would mean that they purposely go around simply dropping bombs where every they want to try and kill civilians, etc. No that is definitely not how they work. If you want to say it that way, then you have to concede the same thing of our government in Iraq and Afghanistan, and while they may have raped, etc., I do not believe that they go into terminator mode to take out civilians like that.Ok, then do you also concede they have the resources and know-how to fight a much "quieter" war with Palestine?

edit: I don't care if they want to beat down Palestine in order to be recognised as a state. I do care that they have the option of behaving in a much more clandestine manner than they do, but they choose to instead attack massively and in the open. That tactic does not work against any terrorist forces. It's been proven since forever that it only makes the situation worse by driving moderates over to the fanatic's side.

[MadChedar0]

Zionist brain washing???? Fuck you!:D I won't even thiink about where that one will lead me. I've seen your rants in the VS forum and it is nearly as bad as some that post there like pittsburghafterdark (haven't seen him in awhile, then again I couldn't take any of his bullshit anymore and ignored him). And common sense? Yaeh I won't even try to get into that one.
I don't think my 1 and 2 liners count as rants, but everyone is entitled to his opinion.

I'm not trying to belittle you or anyone else on this subject, but one must form an opinion on this matter by reading books and multiple news sources. I'm just presuming, but I think you & many people (both sides) make the mistake of forming an opinion from one source.

[hiccupleftovers]

Ok, then do you also concede they have the resources and know-how to fight a much "quieter" war with Palestine?

Well, you still haven't answered my question in a straight manner, but that's beside the point.

Please tell me of a war that has been "quiet"? War involves bullets and bombs. There are times when war can be waged quietly, but when they outright go and murder soldiers and then abduct them I cannot see any true way of running a quiet war. You must go after them and you must stop them. You cannot allow them to run amuck and believe that they can shell homes, explode and murder civilians, etc. I rather doubt that they themselves are looking to fight a "quiet" war as you say. These are terrorists and they want to masquerade around and have you believe that blowing themselves to cause as much damage as possible is politically motivated or some type of a message, but it isn't. It's death. It's destruction. It's mayhem. You don't bow down to these people. They will not bow down to you. They will not show you humility nor kindness. For all I know, they could have already tortured and murdered those they abducted and/or killed them or beheaded them. Note, they have done this to our own troops in Iraq.

[hiccupleftovers]

I don't think my 1 and 2 liners count as rants, but everyone is entitled to his opinion.

I'm not trying to belittle you or anyone else on this subject, but one must form an opinion on this matter by reading books and multiple news sources. I'm just presuming, but I think you & many people (both sides) make the mistake of forming an opinion from one source.
1/2 liners don't count as anything in my book. You like to make yourself feel smart and actually believe it, then go ahead, but note that I don't take 90% of what you say serious, nor do I believe you have any accountability on this issue and plenty of others.

Perhaps you should be the one and take some PolySci courses, or at the very least research more than what you have heard through CNN and Fox News, etc.

You and jmcc seem to try to marginalize the issue as though the Israeli's are butchers and the Palestinians are somehow just and/or right. All I can say is that it is just outrageous.

You and jmcc are defending murderers. Killers.

Civilian deaths are never what is wanted, but in war they are unavoidable. To say that Israel makes it their goal to kill civilians is simply ludicrous and yet to defend suicide bombers, rocketers, beheaders, etc as somehow noble. The hypocrysy simply seaps forth.

And damn it, I said i wouldn't get into this and yet I have. I'm going back to my poker game.

[flowery]

I better get this in quick....Matisyahu is one cool fucking Hasidic Jewish reggae rapper.

Also I don't care what anybody says Natalie is hot. Again though I am not Jewish (as mentioned I am cut though) I would fuck the hell out of her like everyone else for numerous reasons.

[hiccupleftovers]

Ok, then do you also concede they have the resources and know-how to fight a much "quieter" war with Palestine?

edit: I don't care if they want to beat down Palestine in order to be recognised as a state. I do care that they have the option of behaving in a much more clandestine manner than they do, but they choose to instead attack massively and in the open. That tactic does not work against any terrorist forces. It's been proven since forever that it only makes the situation worse by driving moderates over to the fanatic's side.

Last post, I swear as now the g/f is annoyed.

The tactic can be upto debate in regards to its effectiveness and whether or not it should be used, so I will grant you that. The tactic is also upto debate in how good of a deterent it truly is both for the short and long term. But as I mentioned in previous post, the only true long term solution is through diplomacy and both sides being willing to come to the middle and have talks, etc.

[hiccupleftovers]

I better get this in quick....Matisyahu is one cool fucking Hasidic Jewish reggae rapper.

Also I don't care what anybody says Natalie is hot. Again though I am not Jewish (as mentioned I am cut though) I would fuck the hell out of her like everyone else for numerous reasons.
:rofl: But I concur

[jPoD]

Damn, mods must be slackin' off. This still hasn't been moved or locked yet.

Anyway, I'm with Fire and jPoD on this one. Israel has attempted to procure peace at least. They have given land, helped with humanitarian needs (do you really think that they have the money to build the infrastructure they need), Israel has provided power and water for years (up until recently). Israel has left posts, given back prisoners, etc.

And let's see, Hizbollah coming to the border staging war, killing and kidnappinng prisoners not terrorism? How about Hamas coming and killing two and abducting one? If memory serves me correct that how the violence and tension escalated this time around. Everytime there seems to be a little bit of quiet, Syria, Lebanon, Palestinians, someone has to rile something up. If Canada just up and started to bomb us from their border, would you just have America stand by and watch?

The UN Security Council has backed and passed plenty of resolutions calling for the disarmament and disbanding of these groups. The Lebonese Government and Palestinians need to take responsibility for the actions of groups within their borders. Hizbollah acts as a state within a state and doesn't even care what the Lebonese government says/sanctions/anything.

And on the matter of humanitarian crisis, what about the soldiers abducted? They have been claimed as Prisoners of War, yet Hamas will not let the Red Cross in to check on them?

And don't you find it interesting just at what time these soldiers were abducted? Right when Israel is in a transitionary time from Sharon to Olmert. This is clearly a test of Olmert's resolve.

Israel is dealing with an enemy who is unrelenting, who does not know what humility is. All they want is the destruction of the Jewish state and all Jews. That's what their religion and Allah supposedly want (not all, just these radicals and those that support them).

As has been said, Israel has the right to defend themselves.

You need to do just as you recommend to others, go read a book and study the matter and turn off CNN/Fox News and perhaps less of these internet discussions.

Glad someone else agrees with me. Thanks bro.

[jmcc]

Well, you still haven't answered my question in a straight manner, but that's beside the point.

Please tell me of a war that has been "quiet"? War involves bullets and bombs. There are times when war can be waged quietly, but when they outright go and murder soldiers and then abduct them I cannot see any true way of running a quiet war. You must go after them and you must stop them. You cannot allow them to run amuck and believe that they can shell homes, explode and murder civilians, etc. I rather doubt that they themselves are looking to fight a "quiet" war as you say. These are terrorists and they want to masquerade around and have you believe that blowing themselves to cause as much damage as possible is politically motivated or some type of a message, but it isn't. It's death. It's destruction. It's mayhem. You don't bow down to these people. They will not bow down to you. They will not show you humility nor kindness. For all I know, they could have already tortured and murdered those they abducted and/or killed them or beheaded them. Note, they have done this to our own troops in Iraq.By a quiet war, I mean infiltrate and undermine the terrorist organizations and assassinate where it serves a purpose. Israel knows how to do it, but they choose to roll tanks and air strikes.

[hiccupleftovers]

By a quiet war, I mean infiltrate and undermine the terrorist organizations and assassinate where it serves a purpose. Israel knows how to do it, but they choose to roll tanks and air strikes.

Last post I swear :bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

Do you think that assassinating truly works all the time? These orginizations are set up so that as soon as one part goes down, someone is there to take their place, and that has been proven time again. Israel sending in tanks and air strikes is much more to strike directly at the heart of orginizations as much as you would to a terrorist/extremist regime, etc. They are trying to cripple their resources, etc as much as it is to take out members of these organizations. If you've kept up on what they have bombed, then they have bombed many storehouses of weapons, bunkers, etc. Years past they intercepted a boat full of armaments and weapons.

But the question isn't to the efficacy of this tactic in itself, but whether it has any long lasting or damaging effects on the mindset of the population so much so that it would stir it up again and continue the tension and violence. There is debate to both sides of this question.

[jmcc]

Last post I swear :bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

Do you think that assassinating truly works all the time? These orginizations are set up so that as soon as one part goes down, someone is there to take their place, and that has been proven time again. Israel sending in tanks and air strikes is much more to strike directly at the heart of orginizations as much as you would to a terrorist/extremist regime, etc. They are trying to cripple their resources, etc as much as it is to take out members of these organizations. If you've kept up on what they have bombed, then they have bombed many storehouses of weapons, bunkers, etc. Years past they intercepted a boat full of armaments and weapons.A well orchestrated campaign of continuous assassinations? Yeah, I do think they work, if not all the time, then most. Tell me if I'm being illogical: An organization where the missions get intercepted and the leader is constantly being "disappeared" is one that won't grow. An organization where the leader is killed occassionally, with civilians getting killed by a known enemy will grow very well.

[PKRipp3r]

Following is a list of prominent foreign individuals whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of the Second World War. The list does not include several assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro Cubans employed by the CIA and headquartered in the United States.

1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader

1950s - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany
to be "put out of the way" in the event of a Soviet invasion

1950s - Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life

1950s, 1962 - Sukarno, President of Indonesia

1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea

1953 - Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran

1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader

1955 - Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India

1957 - Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt

1959, 1963, 1969 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia

1960 - Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq

1950s-70s - José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life

1961 - Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, leader of Haiti

1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)

1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic

1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam

1960s-70s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life

1960s - Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba

1965 - Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader

1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France

1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader

1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile

1970 - Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile

1970s, 1981 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama

1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence

1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire

1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica

1980-1986 - Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life

1982 - Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran

1983 - Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander

1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua

1984 - The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate

1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)

1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq

1993 - Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia

1998, 2001-2 - Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant

1999 - Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia

2002 - Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord

2003 - Saddam Hussein and his two sons

* Washington Post, June 27, 1993