Assassin's Creed - Gen. Discussion & Info

[LinkinPrime]

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(http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/a/assassinscreed/)
Features

Assassin's Creed™ is the next-generation game developed by Ubisoft Montreal that redefines the action genre. Assassin's Creed merges technology, game design, theme, and emotions into a world where you instigate chaos and become a vulnerable, yet powerful, agent of change.
The setting is 1191 A.D. The Third Crusade is tearing the Holy Land apart. You, Altair, intend to stop the hostilities by suppressing both sides of the conflict.
You are an Assassin, a warrior shrouded in secrecy and feared for your ruthlessness. Your actions can throw your immediate environment into chaos, and your existence will shape events during this pivotal moment in history

The Assassin: Master the skills, tactics, and weapons of history’s deadliest and most secretive clan of warriors. Plan your attacks, strike without mercy, and fight your way to escape.
Realistic, responsive environments: Experience a living, breathing world in which all your actions have consequences. Crowds react to your moves and will either help or hinder you on your quests.
Total freedom: Eliminate your targets wherever, whenever, and however. Stalk your prey through richly detailed, historically accurate, open-ended environments. Scale buildings, mount horses, blend in with crowds. Do whatever it takes to achieve your objectives.
Epic times of the Crusades: Assassin’s Creed immerses you in the realistic and historical Holy Land of the twelfth century, featuring life-like graphics, ambience, and the subtle, yet detailed nuances of a living world.
Intense action: Experience heavy action blended with fluid and precise animations. Use a wide range of medieval weapons, and face your enemies in realistic swordfight duels.
Next-gen gameplay: The proprietary engine developed from the ground up for Xbox 360 allows organic game design featuring open gameplay, intuitive control scheme, realistic interaction with environment, and a fluid, yet sharp, combat mechanic.
Update 2/5: Flag Locations
Also, for people going after flags. I have collected all flags & killed all templars. It's not that bad when you have the use of this blessed site:

http://www.assassinscreed-maps.com (http://www.assassinscreed-maps.com/)

Screen shots and maps of every flag and templar. So great.

Update 10/23: Achievements
http://www.achieve360points.com/game/assassinscreed/

Update 5/23: Ubidays trailer

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dDWICg-Cy5U

Higher res here: http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/05/23/assassins-creed-trailer-leaves-us-wanting-more/
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25-Jul-2006 Ubisoft's intriguing 360 and PS3 assassin 'em-up stalks through the streets of old Jerusalem

It is the time of the third crusade. A public hanging has just taken place in the middle-eastern town of Acre and three soldiers stand on the podium displaying the bodies of the victims to an angered crowd, who are baying for their blood. Way up on the battlements a solitary figure in white is watching the developing scene.

Then we're following the white watcher as he's walking through the crowd. You can see that this is in-game footage, as the figure pushes people out of the way and tries to move through the heaving throng without disrupting his cover too much. When he's finally spotted, it's too late for the guards on the podium; one receives a bolt in the belly, a second is toppled off the gallows by a blow from a crossbow and only the captain is left. He struggles to get his sword out of his scabbard, but before he can Altair, the assassin, is on him, pushing his retractable blade into the man, before turning and fleeing through the crowd, pursued by growing numbers of guards...

Assassin's Creed follows Altair the assassin - his name translates as 'Flying Eagle' - as he seeks to bring peace to the Middle East of 1191 AD, by decapitating the heads of the warring factions. However, Altair's abilities don't merely extend to killing people. First off, he's an amazing athlete - Ubisoft Montreal haven't forgotten their Prince of Persia heritage, so he can Le Parkour his way up onto the rooftops and battlements of Jerusalem, Acre, Damascus and other Middle Eastern towns. The crowd is his best friend providing cover and escape routes, as well as hiding him from the eyes of his enemies. Finally, if he has to fight, Altair will avoid swordplay, as a solid blow will prove fatal; instead he'll dodge and twist around enemies to execute or flee them as quickly as possible, with a range of instant kills or escape moves.

The HUD is curiously futuristic, perhaps to tie in with the later parts of the trilogy, though there's no confirmation that they will be set in the same universe. If the rest of the series looks as impressive, we can guarantee that this is one creed we'll happily follow.

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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=143343

I guess this means its coming to :360: :shock:!

[Tha Xecutioner]

looks pretty

[Number83]

I was hoping that this was coming to the 360. For me, this was going to be the PS3 system seller for me. Now I can save $600+.

[Electrox3d]

HUH?? I've only ever seen this in Playstation mags, at E3, at the playstation booth, and ever only mentioned on playstation3.... must be last minute change, because if M$ had this on x360, it would have been at e3, their booth sucked!

[repetske]

HUH?? I've only ever seen this in Playstation mags, at E3, at the playstation booth, and ever only mentioned on playstation3.... must be last minute change, because if M$ had this on x360, it would have been at e3, their booth sucked!

It was leaked after E3 in a Ubisoft list of upcoming releases.

[terribledeli]

HUH?? I've only ever seen this in Playstation mags, at E3, at the playstation booth, and ever only mentioned on playstation3.... must be last minute change, because if M$ had this on x360, it would have been at e3, their booth sucked!

Or Sony could have had exclusive announcement rights like Microsoft did for GTA4.

On a side note, this shouldn't be surprising for a couple of reasons:
1) Its Ubisoft.

2) With the gaming fanbase still a little shakey on the PS3's price tag, 3rd party companies will release a game on multiplatforms if little work is involved to maximize profit.

[spamjizz]

Yes,yes,yes!!!

[KaneRobot]

Good to finally have confirmation.

[Number83]

HUH?? I've only ever seen this in Playstation mags, at E3, at the playstation booth, and ever only mentioned on playstation3.... must be last minute change, because if M$ had this on x360, it would have been at e3, their booth sucked!

I heard the PS3 demo of AC was actually run on a 360...hmm...

[shipwreck]

I think we all knew it was coming, but it's nice to finally have confirmation. Looks good.

[Wlogan31]

I'd heard the rumor before that this might go multi-platform. If it does, it'll probably be enough to force me to make room for a 360 next to my Wii in the future :)

[psychobrawler]

I heard the PS3 demo of AC was actually run on a 360...hmm...

I've also heard that it was running on a 360 dev kit. I read a site that asked Ubi directly about that, and they sorta skirted their answer, stating that it was running on a PC that was emulating console specs... I don't think they specified which console in their answer...

[arthurRWD]

Now if we could just get MGS4 over on our side, I wouldn't have to buy a PS3

[seanr1221]

Ah yes, the 360 just keeps getting better and better :D

[deadite76]

Thanks for the confirmation!

[flybrione]

Now if we could just get MGS4 over on our side, I wouldn't have to buy a PS3

Yes this is what I hope for too! MGS4 on Xbox 360. Maybe a SUB version :D

[2Fast]

I could definitely hold off on buying a PS3 if they brought over MGS4. Right now my plan is to buy one around the time that game comes out...

[rabbitt]

Kick-ass. As shipwreck said above, I think we were mostly waiting for confirmation, but this doesn't make the news any less spectacular. AC was, in my opinion, one of the games giving the PS3 good buzz. Now that you can play it for $200 less, this could affect Sony in a big way.

[graf1k]

I wonder if it's coming out at the same time as it does for PS3. That would mean another great looking game this winter (or is AC a PS3 launch title?). Either way, it's good to have confirmation.

[ryanbph]

great to have confirmation

[Kaijufan]

This isn't a surprise at all.

[asianxcore]

woooooooooooooo :)

[Zingela]

On a side note, this shouldn't be surprising for a couple of reasons:
1) Its Ubisoft.

This is exactly why I expected it on the 360 from the start. Which games have they done, aside from handheld/unique games, have NOT been cross-platform eventually? Not many at all. And what with the potential profit the game would make across both systems (also with Sony being somewhat of a risk at the moment), I didn't see them keeping it to one console.

[atane]

The probability of me buying a PS3 is getting smaller and smaller.

[-Never4ever-]

First SD!vsRaw07 gets canned (on PS3), now ACs on 360. Looks like I'll have no probs holding out on a PS3 (for now)

[Surferflames]

I guess I'll stick this in this one, since it seems the most "complete" of the AC threads.

According to IGN, Ubisoft will soon[Today, the 22nd, apparently] be announcing a Limited ediiton of AC, which we can only hope means news of a release date soon.


Though the limited edition's gameplay content will be identical to that of the standard version, Assassin's Creed LE will boast a number of bonus supplemental content items. In addition to a specialized tin packaging, the game will also include a figurine of lead character Altair, Penny Arcade comics, a miniature strategy guide, and Assassin-themed short films. Behind-the-scenes videos, official trailers, developer diaries, producer interviews and other unnamed goodies are also planned.
Via IGN (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/790/790573p1.html)

Glad to see some of those sketches on Gabeart may be turned into some nice inserts.

[LinkinPrime]

Sweet. As for a release date...I've heard 9/25..yup, same date as Halo 3.

[Spades22]

So which side do you play on during the Crusades in this game?...they never mention anything about that...

[SynGamer]

Game looks pretty kick ass, hoping they put a demo up on live :)

[trq]

Sweet. As for a release date...I've heard 9/25..yup, same date as Halo 3.

You know, I'm no Halo Hater, but this is one of the few games I'd actually pick up INSTEAD of Halo 3.

[CrimsonPaw]

You know, I'm no Halo Hater, but this is one of the few games I'd actually pick up INSTEAD of Halo 3.
Q ... F ... T!

[redgopher]

OK but here's the big question: the limited edition, is it the same as the CE many of us preordered from Play-Asia? The one with the 12" figure? Or does the US get something different?

[ananag112]

Assassin's Creed is one of the best looking games ever. It looks like my dream game. If the game turns out half as good as the trailers, it will be amazing.

I wish they replaced this with Zorro though. The game seems like Zorro, but in a different time period.

[panasonic]

Assassin's Creed is one of the best looking games ever. It looks like my dream game. If the game turns out half as good as the trailers, it will be amazing.

I wish they replaced this with Zorro though. The game seems like Zorro, but in a different time period.

zorro would be a screw up, you can't stick a blade in your finger if your name is zorro.

[SynGamer]

Amazing trailer!

But for the love of fucking god would you stop promoting your fucking site all the fucking time!? A few links in your signature is fine, but enough with the fucking shame-less self-promotion...

[javeryh]

The trailer looks great - I hope it controls/plays well.

[SynGamer]

In the last week i've seen your link over a dozen times, and its all rehash of other websites. Comparing the timestamps, you're simply regurgitating what was reported earlier on a more popular site :|

[LinkinPrime]

Here's the Youtube version:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dDWICg-Cy5U

EDIT: Just saw it...looks fucking amazing!

[Spades22]

So is he on the muslim side or the Crusaders? From the trailer it almost looked like he was taking out both sides...

[Lieutenant Dan]

Lets see my last threads started:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138812 - not even a link to my site at all in the post (only in my signature, where it will stay)

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138692 - source was the neogaf forums, if i posted a link there, and another person posted a link there, and etc. the images server would go do, so i backed up the images.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138657 - from next gen biz, a quality and i would definintely say a more popular site than mine, however, not one i bet a lot of the kiddies frequent (unfortunately).

In fact.. now looking through a lot of my posts (you can see here http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1116890 ), I link to my site just as much as any other person who put its in their signature. . except i put it at the start of the post, like the title of a newspaper you are about to read an article from, and if you noticed, i always linked the source where the story was from.

bah hum bug.

What are you going to do with your site when the 360's life cycle is over?

[Surferflames]

So is he on the muslim side or the Crusaders? From the trailer it almost looked like he was taking out both sides...
He fights for the people caught in the middle of the war. Apparently there are some "robin-hood" style missions aside from just pure assassinations.

edit: oh, and gametrailers has a big HD version of the trailer incase anyone wants something bigger.

[Flyersfan]

New preview up at IGN:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/802/802794p2.html





Looks fucking amazing.


And I just noticed it's been almost a year since this thread was made. How time travels.

[gunm]

Sounds interesting. I like the idea of interactive cutscenes and the multi-attacker combat (also sounds dififcult). Probably not a day one game for me since even good ubisoft games tend to drop like a rock in price after a few months...

[zewone]

All the video links are dead.

Anywhere else I can see this new video?

[LinkinPrime]

I don't even remember what that video had, but here's the newest one from E3.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aotk0uXj2-I

[Surferflames]

Does that not have sound or is it just acting odd on my end? Looks like the "lonely souls" demo from ubidays though.

edit: bleh flashmute was on. Yes that's the ubidays trailer.

[hootie]

Hopefully they fix that glitch where the body was floating in the air.

But yes, that video was amazing, especially the chase! Instant day 1 purchase for me!

Also, when that lady said "This is a trap", did anyone else thing of Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars? :lol:

[slickkill77]

U mean from robot chicken or from the actual movie. Im not going to lie i saw the demo and i dont understand what you guys see in this game

[eswat]

Also, when that lady said "This is a trap", did anyone else thing of Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars? :lol:
EDIT: Sorry, couldn't help it:

http://temper.eswat.ca/itsatrap.jpg

[slickkill77]

I thought of the robot chicken where the kids are eating the crap cereal then he comes and says...Its a trap.

[Surferflames]

Possible spoiler if that Veronica Mars bitch hasn't ruined things for you:
I'm somewhat suprised at how much they are pushing the "futuristic" subtext. All the little flashes and targeting popups with tech-shapes. I wonder how early on they get into that aspect.

Overall I am really satisfied with the progress. Reading that Altair has over 10,000 animations is crazy. I just hope they speed up the multi-enemy combat a tad. I'd also like to see some of the recon missions, and more of the free roam gameplay to see how you gain quests from various factions.

edit: Ok it should be noted that the video with Jade's commentary is different from the one without her commentary. They are played slightly differently. I didn't know what people kept talking about with the "floating" bug, because that isn't in the non-commentary vid. Also the combat looks much smoother in the commentary vid.

Seems like once the timings on actions and sounds are worked out it will be great.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Wow. I'm sorry to be a Negative Nancy, but I'm disappointed. My first reaction was "This looks like shit," but upon further consideration, I think that is too drastic.

It looks okay, but not up to the hype by far. I keep hearing about how good the animation is, but I just didn't see it in that demo. They have 10,000 animations for Altair, but they don't have a turn-around animation?? How much longer are we going to have to see characters go from facing forward to facing the opposite direction in a twitch? Overall, the animation looked stiff and canned. The combat didn't look that great either.

I'm focusing on little things right now, but overall I guess it just didn't have near the polish I was expecting. I appreciate the work the developers are doing, and the new, innovative ideas they're pushing, but I was expecting Ninja Gaiden-quality polish. Instead, it's shaping up to be just as I feared: Prince of Persia 2007.

Serves me right for buying into the hype. But shit, how can you tell hype from straight-out BS nowadays? People were pushing this to be the next huge classic game, but it looks like it's not any better than good. I guess people just want some of these new games to be classics so bad that they fool themselves into believing that is the case.

By the way I'm referring to the media, not to any fans of the game.

[seanr1221]

I think it looks great from what I've seen so far *shrugs*

I guess you had higher expectations?

[deathweasel]

Good Lord, this game looks fantastic.

Seanr: Spider Pig, Spider Pig, does whatever a Spider Pig does... That movie is going to be something great.

[LinkinPrime]

Wow, this game is going to kick ass, barely got a chance to see the full E3 gameplay demo. Very nice, except for the floating body :lol:. Also the chick hosting the demo sucked...seems like they didn't rehearse. Looks great though, day one purchase for me!

[road3283]

The gameplay looks really cool, hopefully they'll iron out the glitches.

Anybody know what the hell was up with that white text like stuff that would pop up on random enemies? was that a glitch or something?

[SynGamer]

The gameplay looks really cool, hopefully they'll iron out the glitches.

Anybody know what the hell was up with that white text like stuff that would pop up on random enemies? was that a glitch or something?

Fairly sure thats part of the game, that whole aspect of 'Is this real? is it a computer simulation?' thing...

[LinkinPrime]

The gameplay looks really cool, hopefully they'll iron out the glitches.

Anybody know what the hell was up with that white text like stuff that would pop up on random enemies? was that a glitch or something?

My guess, is that its a visual thing to lock on targets. Some games display little arrows above the targets head, this game highlights them in blue matrix-like code.

[porieux]

Also the chick hosting the demo sucked...

Send her over here please...she is hot.

[Surferflames]

Heh. I think the guy playing the demo was doing things out of order to mess with her. All the dev diaries she's done have been pretty good so far.

I'd rather listen to her commentary over CliffyB's anyday.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Hm, maybe I need to give it another chance.

[onetrackmind]

this si still one fo the few games i'm excited about

[Mr. Anderson]

I haven't really kept up with this game too much, but I too was disappointed by the trailer. The animation looked really, really clusmy, and the main character kept bumping into people that were like a foot away from him.

[Surferflames]

They showed a different build at the Ubi conference. Looks better IMO, and also shows different aspects including UI and chase. Contact seems a bit more precise, but there is less of it so maybe not.

Gametrailers has the three parts of it (won't embed with the media tags for some reason)

I'm guessing they were more limited for time at the MS conference and had to show the one they did. Who knows.

[DarkNessBear]

I think I am changing my signature...

*puts head down in shame*

WHY do developers have to do this sh-it?! Its ussually peices of crap developers like Ubisoft that dont take care in their games. They are so sloppy and unorganized.

They take a beautiful game and just take out their di-cks and jizz all over them.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21779.html

Interefaces are NOT attractive. GLOWING targeted characters ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE!

And also coupled with the standard Ubisoft unpolish and glitches galore, textures popping in and out, its just saddening to see what they do with their titles. When you have a sloppy thrown on interface (interfaces are ussually last to be put together but the idea is ussually the same) you know the developer does not have care for the game.

Ugh, im in disgust with the game.

... Uncharted or Killzone is going to be my next signature.

[Requiem]

I think I am changing my signature...

*puts head down in shame*

WHY do developers have to do this sh-it?! Its ussually peices of crap developers like Ubisoft that dont take care in their games. They are so sloppy and unorganized.

They take a beautiful game and just take out their di-cks and jizz all over them.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21779.html

Interefaces are NOT attractive. GLOWING targeted characters ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE!

And also coupled with the standard Ubisoft unpolish and glitches galore, textures popping in and out, its just saddening to see what they do with their titles. When you have a sloppy thrown on interface (interfaces are ussually last to be put together but the idea is ussually the same) you know the developer does not have care for the game.

Ugh, im in disgust with the game.

... Uncharted or Killzone is going to be my next signature.

I'm with you there. This latest preview actually made me change my mind about the game. They're only 4 months away (more like 3 months) and the game is looking really buggy, laggy, and weird. The pedestrians are clones of each other and animate in the exact same way. They repeat the same phrases. The combat looks kind of basic and backwards.

This game went from a serious GOTY contender to a rental almost. I really hope Ubisoft fixes this, I expect more from the Prince of Persia team.

[DarkNessBear]

I'm with you there. This latest preview actually made me change my mind about the game. They're only 4 months away (more like 3 months) and the game is looking really buggy, laggy, and weird. The pedestrians are clones of each other and animate in the exact same way. They repeat the same phrases. The combat looks kind of basic and backwards.

This game went from a serious GOTY contender to a rental almost. I really hope Ubisoft fixes this, I expect more from the Prince of Persia team.

And I think Jade Raymond mentioned on G4 that they are just entering the Bugging phase...

If thats true, they are fucked. 4 Months for bugging a game is not enough time.

Frontlines will be in test for a year.

[Lieutenant Dan]

I'm with you there. This latest preview actually made me change my mind about the game. They're only 4 months away (more like 3 months) and the game is looking really buggy, laggy, and weird. The pedestrians are clones of each other and animate in the exact same way. They repeat the same phrases. The combat looks kind of basic and backwards.

This game went from a serious GOTY contender to a rental almost. I really hope Ubisoft fixes this, I expect more from the Prince of Persia team.

When I made that Prince of Persia comment above, I had no idea that this was the Prince of Persia team (I don't really keep track of developers or studios or anything). I was so not impressed by PoP; it had good ideas, but not much polish. No wonder Assassin's Creed looks like it will be more of the same.

[Kendro]

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=200363&affID=88888&sourceID=FKSJxY2VJAk-ddH3EMMz4RXElszAYcXbWQ

Uh...what is this shit? 3-inch Altair figure? That's smaller than a freaking G.I. Joe. I could have sworn the Play-Asia one was 12 inches or so. That probably explains why this version is $70 and the region-free version is $100.

Edit - Oh fuck no. The Play-Asia one only cost $59.90 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112051)! Now I'm definitely regretting not pre-ordering this all those months ago.

[Surferflames]

I think they just have the info wrong, as the rest of it matches the IGN news story about the LE, which said 12 inch.

also the play-asia one was for the asian release, and most of those are cheaper than the US releases.

[aok123]

I Want A Demo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please God!!!!!!!!!

[MemphisGun]

yea a demo would be nice.:bouncy:

[LinkinPrime]

Achievements are up:
http://www.achieve360points.com/game/assassinscreed/

Also, if any of you want an AC t-shirt, the OXM from last month has some pretty cool Iron ons, its basically a big logo for the chest and two smaller ones for the sleeves.

[lordwow]

Pretty cool achievements...

I think that the cat's out of the bag with:


See 85% of all the memory glitches.

[PyroGamer]

Hoping for a demo.

This game definitely needs one.

[Surferflames]

Pretty cool achievements...

I think that the cat's out of the bag with:


See 85% of all the memory glitches.


Yeah...I've accepted that things are crazy since that Veronica Mars bitch spoiled it a year ago.

[Corvin]

Hoping for a demo.

This game definitely needs one.

Not gonna happen. Of of the podcast personalities asked Jade about it and she said due to the type of game it is (sandbox), a demo wouldn't get across the feel they are going for with the game. So don't get your hopes up.

[zewone]

Yeah...I've accepted that things are crazy since that Veronica Mars bitch spoiled it a year ago.
Shit, EGM spoiled it for me like 2 years ago in their first preview.

I just want to play the game for myself already.

[DarkNessBear]

God damn I want this game already...

Got the same score as HALO 3 in Famitsu.

[Puffa469]

Theres a writeup in the newest issue of EGM about the game. They were pretty worried about it.

Some of their biggest concerns:

- Unecessarily complex controls, very hard to reproduce the smooth jumping and climbing motions seen in the vids. They had to hold down multiple buttons to accomplish one action. Controls seemed unresponsive at times.

Example: To bound from rooftoop to rooftop, hold down the right trigger, AND the A button, then run with the right stick. If you miss a jump, you then have to hit B to catch the edge to something to save yourself.

All four limbs are mapped to the four face buttons.

- Combat is boring

- Environments: as in, are there any besides outdoor desert marketplaces?

- A.I. Its been mentioned before, you jump off a roof into a cart full of hay and no one around you reacts.



I will definitely be waiting on some reviews before I even think about picking this up.

[DarkNessBear]

Theres a writeup in the newest issue of EGM about the game. They were pretty worried about it.

Some of their biggest concerns:

- Unecessarily complex controls, very hard to reproduce the smooth jumping and climbing motions seen in the vids. They had to hold down multiple buttons to accomplish one action. Controls seemed unresponsive at times.

Example: To bound from rooftoop to rooftop, hold down the right trigger, AND the A button, then run with the right stick. If you miss a jump, you then have to hit B to catch the edge to something to save yourself.

All four limbs are mapped to the four face buttons.

- Combat is boring

- Environments: as in, are there any besides outdoor desert marketplaces?

- A.I. Its been mentioned before, you jump off a roof into a cart full of hay and no one around you reacts.



I will definitely be waiting on some reviews before I even think about picking this up.

They retracted their statements.

And you can tell by how uniformed they are by them saying, "You run with the right analog stick".

You run with the left. And I hope the controlls are hard to master. =)

[blackflag]

I'm definitely not excited about this anymore. I watched a gameplay vid and like 20 guards attacked him one by one. They didn't help each other or attack him at once. It was like a bad movie cliche.

I'll have to wait for awhile to see what people think about it before I plop down 65 bones, but I hope they fixed it.

[Chris Dillon]

Just wait and see. I feel sorry for all that preordered.

[eswat]

I'm definitely not excited about this anymore. I watched a gameplay vid and like 20 guards attacked him one by one. They didn't help each other or attack him at once. It was like a bad movie cliche.

I'll have to wait for awhile to see what people think about it before I plop down 65 bones, but I hope they fixed it.
Same thing with melee Riddick, but that game was still great :P

I'd prefer a "gentlemen" system like that instead of being ass-raped by 20 guards. Mind you I'm still not interested in the slightest for picking this game up.

[Puffa469]

They retracted their statements.

And you can tell by how uniformed they are by them saying, "You run with the right analog stick".

You run with the left. And I hope the controlls are hard to master. =)


I thought running with the right stick was an example of the whacky controls.

Can you link to EGM 'retracting' their statements?

The article I was referencing was after they initially panned the game, Ubisoft gave them a new hands on, and the impressions I papraphrased were from that second hands on. Although some things were better/fixed, they still had alot of problems with the game.

I cant help but feel that this game is going to be mediocre at best.

[crunchb3rry]

Not gonna happen. Of of the podcast personalities asked Jade about it and she said due to the type of game it is (sandbox), a demo wouldn't get across the feel they are going for with the game. So don't get your hopes up.

Probably bullshit. Most games that are rushed don't have demos to hide the fact the game is all busted to hell and on its way to the manufacturing facility.

I might cancel my preorder. It's not an online game, so there's no party to arrive late to by waiting and getting it for $40.

[NOXER]

Probably bullshit. Most games that are rushed don't have demos to hide the fact the game is all busted to hell and on its way to the manufacturing facility.

I might cancel my preorder. It's not an online game, so there's no party to arrive late to by waiting and getting it for $40.


Most ignorant comment ever. I hope your copy goes to a more deserving customer that'll enjoy the game and that'll gain from your losses.

[Puffa469]

Most ignorant comment ever.

Really? Is this your first day on the internet?

[bigdsinferno]

i think i'll be waiting on this one. i was completely stoked about it until e3 and the one by one attacking is just the next step down. plus,i have little faith in ubisoft as a company after red steel.

[DarkNessBear]

Wow, does everyone on these forums hate this game? It looks like my GOTY. It's a medieval aged game where you play an assassin looking for your target in a big town where you can scale anything. That sounds awesome.

(warning incoming fanboy comment)

Oh I forgot, the only thing you Xbots like is PWNING noobs with your clan on Halo... "IF I ACNT PWN NOOBS ONLINE! THEN WASTS DUH POINT!?"

[Puffa469]

Wow, does everyone on these forums hate this game? It looks like my GOTY. It's a medieval aged game where you play an assassin looking for your target in a big town where you can scale anything. That sounds awesome.

(warning incoming fanboy comment)

Oh I forgot, the only thing you Xbots like is PWNING noobs with your clan on Halo... "IF I ACNT PWN NOOBS ONLINE! THEN WASTS DUH POINT!?"

Psssst, Altair is not a medieval assasin. He's really from the Fuuuuuuuture!

Thats why they havent shown any other levels, cos Im betting half of the game takes place on a spaceship.

Im no Halo fanboy as Ive expressed numerous times. And I generally like Ubisoft as a developer. But sooo many people are like Zomg! GOTY!!!

Honestly how can a game be GOTY when none of you have played it. And the people who have played it say it has alot of problems. I agree that the idea of the game is awesome, but what Ive seen soo far it underwhelming to say the least.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Wow, does everyone on these forums hate this game? It looks like my GOTY. It's a medieval aged game where you play an assassin looking for your target in a big town where you can scale anything. That sounds awesome.

(warning incoming fanboy comment)

Oh I forgot, the only thing you Xbots like is PWNING noobs with your clan on Halo... "IF I ACNT PWN NOOBS ONLINE! THEN WASTS DUH POINT!?"

I play Halo a lot and I'm still stoked for AC.

[zewone]

lol.

xbotz.

[apokalipze2]

This game looks like hot garbage#-o

[nyprimus4]

I knew not to preorder. The premise for the game is outstanding but the videos made it seem like this could bomb... very hard. Once reviews surface I'll decide to order or not. Too many games coming out to buy a crappy game that just sits.

[Chris Dillon]

Great concept. Playing POP with a goal of killing is an amazing idea. I love games set in the past but if the controls are complicated its just hard to play. Don't understand why you would run with the right stick in any game ever. Left side if for movement and thats the way it has been forever. Change is good but not when I"m so used to doing one thing for 15 years.

[anomynous]

guys, ignore DarkNessBear, he's just trolling

[blackflag]

Most ignorant comment ever. I hope your copy goes to a more deserving customer that'll enjoy the game and that'll gain from your losses.

Wow rofl wtf?

[archibishopthedoge]

They retracted their statements.

And you can tell by how uniformed they are by them saying, "You run with the right analog stick".

You run with the left. And I hope the controlls are hard to master. =)

Where exactly are the statements retracted?

I have been looking forward to this game since I first saw the preview videos and first screenshots. However, as launch approaches there's been nothing but negativity virtually everywhere from earlier build impressions. The EGM article (NG II issue this month) is a little more positive than other recent bits I've read, but it still sounds like there are some glaring issues.

I hope the game is challenging, but I can't help but fear that this game is going to stink. Ubisoft is one of the best devs out there right now, and that alone is the only thing that is keeping my hopes just a little bit up.

Definitely glad I didn't pre-order it though, going to wait to read reviews and if that goes over well, I'll grab it Walmart on launch. If they stink, rental time.

[DarkNessBear]

It was a typo, they ment to say "you move with the Left Stick".

You don't move with the right.

guys, ignore DarkNessBear, he's just trolling

Oh, I forgot. Only in CAG is it "TROLLING" to talk highly of a game in its respective thread.

[anomynous]

Oh, I forgot. Only in CAG is it "TROLLING" to talk highly of a game in its respective thread.
but when you go into a thread and say everybody doesnt like the game because they're all xbots that only play FPS, it is trolling

[method47]

I just oreordered this. If anything, I'll make sure I see reviews before I open it and exchange or sell. I still think it looks awsome, but I'm not blind to the problems it has, ones that hopefully won't ruin the game.

[Surferflames]

Regardless of all the haters, I'll still be getting this. Hell Fumitsu gave it a 37/40, then again they also gave that to Halo so that doesn't say much. All the videos I've seen (which has been every one released) has made me want it more and more.

[TruVisionary]

wow just from the achievements alone this game looks sick!!

[method47]

Regardless of all the haters, I'll still be getting this. Hell Fumitsu gave it a 37/40, then again they also gave that to Halo so that doesn't say much. All the videos I've seen (which has been every one released) has made me want it more and more.

Yea, that fact that Famitsu gave it a high score must mean something, and probably shows that the 1UP preview was pulled out of someones ass.

[opterasis]

and probably shows that the 1UP preview was pulled out of someones ass.\

Seems to be the case with a majority of 1up reviews.

[DarkNessBear]

Funny that people take EGM's PREVIEW from like 3 months ago over the very recent Famitsu review.

People just like to be negative.

[blackflag]

Yea, that fact that Famitsu gave it a high score must mean something, and probably shows that the 1UP preview was pulled out of someones ass.


Famitsu gave a game where you pet virtual fish a 10 so take it with a grain of salt.

[DarkNessBear]

Famitsu gave a game where you pet virtual fish a 10 so take it with a grain of salt.

Lol, they gave Endless Ocean a 10? Crap, let me take back what I said.

But EGM is definetally not a news source to take very realisticly. They are always so late with everything.

[Corvin]

Famitsu gave a game where you pet virtual fish a 10 so take it with a grain of salt.

You sound like a Shane Bettenhousen fan. I'll take a Famitsu score over a Shane "Sony fanboy" Bettenhousen review any day of the week.

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... and yes, I'm looking forward to Endless Ocean. :)

[infamyRISE]

from penny-arcade:

I don't think we're supposed to say anything about Assassin's Creed. Let me see if I can talk around it: I often get nervous when we work on a project for a title, because we need to make gut decisions about a piece of software when it is still more "process" than "product."

I am no longer nervous.

Thats pretty much a sell for me. I don't always enjoy what they enjoy, but at least those guys are grounded in the idea of whats good and bad. If they've had ample time with it to calm their fears of it being a turd, then fuck reviews, I don't need them. 59.99 gone.

[greydt]

Thats pretty much a sell for me. I don't always enjoy what they enjoy, but at least those guys are grounded in the idea of whats good and bad. If they've had ample time with it to calm their fears of it being a turd, then fuck reviews, I don't need them. 59.99 gone.


Hmm...are you sure that's an implied thumbs up? Based on what Tycho wrote, it sounds like more of a comment on timing: that he's okay to write something about a game that's in actual product phase (8 days prior to release), rather than a game still being made or still an idea.

[Surferflames]

The quote refers to them putting their name on something before it's done. He says he may have been somewhate concerned at one point, but now that it's in the can he is no longer nervous about their decision to work on it.

[anomynous]

Ok, I want the game now.


Maybe I'll get it for christmas........

[DarkNessBear]

Ugh, I can't wait for this game. I literally have been waiting for about a year.

10 DAYS TO GO!

[blackflag]

Cool the penny Arcade thing gives me hope. Really I hope it is good because the premise sounds awesome. I already preordered cod4, mass effect and rock band......the wife is gonna kill me.

[blackflag]

You sound like a Shane Bettenhousen fan. I'll take a Famitsu score over a Shane "Sony fanboy" Bettenhousen review any day of the week.

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... and yes, I'm looking forward to Endless Ocean. :)



I don't know who that is but a 10 for a virtual fish petting game? I'm sure it was deserved :)

[infamyRISE]

Hmm...are you sure that's an implied thumbs up? Based on what Tycho wrote, it sounds like more of a comment on timing: that he's okay to write something about a game that's in actual product phase (8 days prior to release), rather than a game still being made or still an idea.

The quote refers to them putting their name on something before it's done. He says he may have been somewhate concerned at one point, but now that it's in the can he is no longer nervous about their decision to work on it.

Its pretty common knowledge that Penny-Arcade doesn't work on or even advertise anything they do not think is or will be a solid game. I'm pretty sure he means the game is shaping up nicely.

[DarkNessBear]

A little off topic but...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/02

Lolololol. So true... All gamers are like, "Manhunt? Meh... eh... no thanks" but the media is blowing it up like its the biggest game ever for our sick minds. Manhunt is not my thing... call me back when they release the Rape Little Childeren simulator.

[Rei no Otaku]

from penny-arcade:



Thats pretty much a sell for me. I don't always enjoy what they enjoy, but at least those guys are grounded in the idea of whats good and bad. If they've had ample time with it to calm their fears of it being a turd, then fuck reviews, I don't need them. 59.99 gone.
You don't need reviews, but it was Tycho's review that pretty much sold it to you?

[infamyRISE]

You don't need reviews, but it was Tycho's review that pretty much sold it to you?

That wasn't a review.He said literally two sentences about it, both of which I quoted in full. It was a positive impression.

If thats your idea of a review, then sure, I took Tycho's review. For me, a review is a little more in depth.

[pittpizza]

Hey. I havent posted in this thread yet but just wanted to share a few things.

First off, I really really loved prince of persia sands of time. Its one of the best games I've ever played, so it am really expecting alot from AC. I did not even know what Le Parkour meant and had to look it up. The le Parkour elments of Prince of Persia were as (or perhaps even more) enjoyable than the combat. Hopefully it will be even more improved from when PoP platformed with such fluid agility in Sands of Time.

The "social" elements of this game really interest me as well. I'm a huge fan of the Hitman games where you have to keep your cool around crowds. I think this will be even different than your usual suspicion meter stealth games.

Offtopic, I too think that "trolling" has an unusually broad definition on CAG; so I agree with whoever said that some posts ago.

[Rei no Otaku]

That wasn't a review.He said literally two sentences about it, both of which I quoted in full. It was a positive impression.

If thats your idea of a review, then sure, I took Tycho's review. For me, a review is a little more in depth.
It still boils down to the fact that you claim people are being silly for listening to other people's opinions, but if you listen to Tycho's it's ok.

If anything it should be the opposite. As you said, all he did was say two sentences about it when places like EGM have given it multiple page articles that discuss their time with the game in detail.

[DomLando]

So is the collector's edition for this game going to be worth the extra $10?

[cerial442]

So is the collector's edition for this game going to be worth the extra $10?

I doubt it, but I'm still going to get it.

[infamyRISE]

It still boils down to the fact that you claim people are being silly for listening to other people's opinions, but if you listen to Tycho's it's ok.

If anything it should be the opposite. As you said, all he did was say two sentences about it when places like EGM have given it multiple page articles that discuss their time with the game in detail.


I think you're putting too much thought and time into this.

But I guess I'll entertain you. Why the hell would I give ANY mind to EGMs X-page write up when I generally don't agree or read with much they have to say. Also, I never ONCE claimed ANYONE was silly for listening to a review, or as you put it "other people's opinions". Thanks for putting those words in my mouth by the way. All I said is that a source from which I generally agree with has spoken of it in a positive light. I was already incredibly excited for the game (its been on my 'wishlist' for a while), and was curious like many if the rumored issues would hamper the title to the point at which I wouldn't spend 60 bucks on it.

So are we clear now? This is about MY purchase. I'VE decided that -I- am going to buy it. Don't make this out like I'm saying reviews are trash or anyone shouldn't listen to them. By all means. wait for the reviews and make yoru own decision if its the right game for you, I'm not knocking that.

I don't know why this is such an issue.

[Rei no Otaku]

Calm down buddy, my opinion is far from serious business. I apologize for insinuating that you were knocking anyone's opinion. I was merely trying to get across that other people might hold EGM's opinion in the same light you hold Tycho's.

For the record, I don't like EGM either. I find their reviews to be full of shit about 70% of the time and I almost always disagree with them. That being said, I don't think it's wise to compeltely disregard what they have to say about the game. There are certain objective things that can be taken from their previews.

Again, sorry if I offended you.

[infamyRISE]

Fair enough.

I'll read into it. I'll let you know if my opinion changes. :)

[Rei no Otaku]

Sounds good. I plan on at least renting the game when it comes out. I might buy it if I have enough money, but Mass Effect, Uncharted, Rock Band and the FFXI expansion all come out the week after.

[sasukekun]

So is the collector's edition for this game going to be worth the extra $10?
Not really, I was planning to get the regular version.

Although, I did buy the CoD4 CE, but couldnt resist at $55

[IOnceWasLegend]

I'm definitely not excited about this anymore. I watched a gameplay vid and like 20 guards attacked him one by one. They didn't help each other or attack him at once. It was like a bad movie cliche.

I'll have to wait for awhile to see what people think about it before I plop down 65 bones, but I hope they fixed it.

Yeah; I had that same problem. It wasn't even disguised that well; my immediate thought was, "We outnumber you five to one...grunt #1, you attack! Everybody else: BOOGIE DOWN!"

After watching the trailer a couple times, though, I could kinda see why they did it. Granted, I'm not turning a blind eye to the problems, but I think it'll feel more claustrophobic in-game (they still deal SOME damage sometimes, and you're surrounded by seven of them, though you still have to fight their way out). Hopefully the group combat won't hold the game back much if my hopes aren't born out.

I also raised an eyebrow when nobody reacted that some guy dressed in a white robe jumped sixty feet from a tower into a bale of hay; but hey...if that guy had two swords strapped to his back, survived a sixty foot fall, and walked away without a second glance, I think most people in the marketplace'd be keen to avoid him.

I still think I'm going to pick this up on its release day; the game looks good enough to outweigh the problems, and I'm keen to get rid of Halo 3 for a new game before the trade-in value plummets. Looking forward to November 13th.

[DarkNessBear]

So is the collector's edition for this game going to be worth the extra $10?
Hmmm, I dunno. I'm getting it. But I think it includes the ALTAIR action figure, and I want EVERY peice of Assassin Creed swag I can get. I'm still waiting for them to release the AC Faceplates. Gamestop said they had a couple but sold them.

Ugh, 7 more days is SO FAR AWAY! :cry:

[ananag112]

http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/5A4BC70F-8959-4C67-BCFB-2E942E49B93A.htm?CS_pid=200232

GameInformer gives it a 9.5/10. Looks VERY good

[whoknows]

http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/5A4BC70F-8959-4C67-BCFB-2E942E49B93A.htm?CS_pid=200232

GameInformer gives it a 9.5/10. Looks VERY good
Thank God it turned out well. I was going to buy it even if it got mediocre scores, but it being a great game is FANTASTIC news.

Guess EGM was wrong.

EDIT: Read the beginning of the review that says there's a twist at the very beginning. I'm definitely avoiding any and all news about this game until I play it so that doesn't get spoiled.

[ananag112]

Thank God it turned out well. I was going to buy it even if it got mediocre scores, but it being a great game is FANTASTIC news.

Guess EGM was wrong.

EDIT: Read the beginning of the review that says there's a twist at the very beginning. I'm definitely avoiding any and all news about this game until I play it so that doesn't get spoiled.

What did EGM say about the game?

[whoknows]

What did EGM say about the game?
They were just complaining about it in general. They said it was the game they were most worried about. In the last issue they had an article with complaints about it.

[ananag112]

They were just complaining about it in general. They said it was the game they were most worried about. In the last issue they had an article with complaints about it.

I haven't got EGM since the Halo 3 episode (the one with Arbiter on the cover). Thanks for the info.

[DomLando]

Thank God it turned out well. I was going to buy it even if it got mediocre scores, but it being a great game is FANTASTIC news.

Guess EGM was wrong.

EDIT: Read the beginning of the review that says there's a twist at the very beginning. I'm definitely avoiding any and all news about this game until I play it so that doesn't get spoiled.
Yeah but just because Game Informer said it is good really doesn't mean anything. I mean it's Game Informer...

[whoknows]

Yeah but just because Game Informer said it is good really doesn't mean anything. I mean it's Game Informer...
I like their reviews A LOT better than EGM's though. With GI they talk about the game, why it's good/bad, and the review is a pretty good size with the second opinion being fairly short while in EGM the reviews are just the 3 reviewers writing a few sentences and disagreeing with eachother. They hardly give you any info about the game they're reviewing.

[DomLando]

I like their reviews A LOT better than EGM's though. With GI they talk about the game, why it's good/bad, and the review is a pretty good size with the second opinion being fairly short while in EGM the reviews are just the 3 reviewers writing a few sentences and disagreeing with eachother. They hardly give you any info about the game they're reviewing.
I agree with GI being better than EGM but I still don't think there reviews are written that well. I still hope this game will be good though. I guess we will be able to tell as more reviews come in. But basing it on one review isn't alsways the best idea.

[whoknows]

Well I want this game to be awesome so I'll take whatever good scores they give :D

[Corvin]

Yeah but just because Game Informer said it is good really doesn't mean anything. I mean it's Game Informer...

I've never bothered reading GI but I find it a conflict of interest that a company trying to sell you games (in essence) reviews them. That sends up a red flag for me.

[greydt]

They were just complaining about it in general. They said it was the game they were most worried about. In the last issue they had an article with complaints about it.


I think you're over-simplifying it a bit. EGM had concerns after a convention presentation of the game, Ubi took them through a later build, and EGM came back with things they thought were improved and what parts of it they still had concerns about. It wasn't exactly a bash-fest like you're making it out to be.

However, you saying "Well I want this game to be awesome so I'll take whatever good scores they give " kinda makes me wonder how objective you are in the first place :)

[whoknows]

I think you're over-simplifying it a bit. EGM had concerns after a convention presentation of the game, Ubi took them through a later build, and EGM came back with things they thought were improved and what parts of it they still had concerns about. It wasn't exactly a bash-fest like you're making it out to be.

However, you saying "Well I want this game to be awesome so I'll take whatever good scores they give " kinda makes me wonder how objective you are in the first place :)
They were complaining a lot, but to be fair yes, they did explain what they were complaining about.

Still, as they said they only played the first two levels of an unfinished game.

I have no reason to want this game to turn out badly so Im hoping it turns out great. Nothing wrong with that.

[DarkNessBear]

Thank God it turned out well. I was going to buy it even if it got mediocre scores, but it being a great game is FANTASTIC news.

Guess EGM was wrong.

EDIT: Read the beginning of the review that says there's a twist at the very beginning. I'm definitely avoiding any and all news about this game until I play it so that doesn't get spoiled.

*Hops around happy*

Go AC go! I've been waiting for this game for so long, I hope its amazing.

And I to have gone media shut out from AC news/videos for the past couple months. I don't want any hints to what the story is!

It's sad that GH3 got a Midnight release at Gamestop but not Assassins Creed... :cry:

[Puffa469]

OK, Jade Raymond is demo'ing AC on Attack of the Show on G4 Live right now.

Altair jumps off the top of a tower and into a cart full of hay, and NO ONE REACTS. This is a current build of the game being demo'd LIVE. It looks like nothing has changed.

And when you target enemies in combat, they get this weird glow with Matrix like digital artifacts all around them. It looks STUPID. And of course the other 3 guards stand there like dumbasses waiting for you to kill their buddy.

And of course it was still that same old Jerusalem level.

The only thing that looked good was the climbing elements, which looked like they were ripped right out of the last 2 Tomb Raider games.

Todays episode of AOTS will be replayed tonight at 11pm on G4, Jade doesnt come out till near the end of the show.

She looked GREAT btw, but the game looks like total MEH...

[whoknows]

OK, Jade Raymond is demo'ing AC on Attack of the Show on G4 Live right now.

Altair jumps off the top of a tower and into a cart full of hay, and NO ONE REACTS. This is a current build of the game being demo'd LIVE. It looks like nothing has changed.

And when you target enemies in combat, they get this weird glow with Matrix like digital artifacts all around them. It looks STUPID. And of course the other 3 guards stand there like dumbasses waiting for you to kill their buddy.

And of course it was still that same old Jerusalem level.

The only thing that looked good was the climbing elements, which looked like they were ripped right out of the last 2 Tomb Raider games.

Todays episode of AOTS will be replayed tonight at 11pm on G4, Jade doesnt come out till near the end of the show.

She looked GREAT btw, but the game looks like total MEH...

You do know the last two Tomb Raider games borrowed a ton of elements from other games right? I wouldn't be surprised if the climbing was ripped off of Prince of Persia.

And I'm glad they only show the Jerusalem level. There will be other areas, but I don't want them to be spoiled so I'm fine.

And that same demo was shown at E3. I don't care if no one reacts, if everyone gasped and then went about their business would that make you happy?

EDIT: Just wanted to clarify that most of this isn't directed at you. People are complaining about the jumping off the building part, but I can't really think of a way the game would have been better if everyone just turned and looked at you.

[Rei no Otaku]

In a game where they're hyping the crowd reactions, and using those reactions to help with your missions, them not reacting to a man falling 50 feet into a pile of hay is silly.

[whoknows]

Maybe no one notices him, after all he is 50 feet up :-P

[Puffa469]

In a game where they're hyping the crowd reactions, and using those reactions to help with your missions, them not reacting to a man falling 50 feet into a pile of hay is silly.

Exactly. No it wont make or break the game. But it looks extremely weird and really takes you out of the moment. Its a mood killer.

Im sure Tomb Raider took their climbing from other games, I meant that the climbing looked good in AC, just like in Laras games. Like Ive said before, I dont think the game is gonna suck, it just seems 'average' to me.

[pittpizza]

Every time I jumped 50 feet into a pile of hay, or manure, nobody reacted at all. Even from 75 feet nobody really did anything.

[CrimGhost]

I'm looking forward to this game, hopefully a demo will come out.

[sasukekun]

Ubisoft said there is no demo.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/11/ubisoft-no-demo-for-assassins-creed/

[CrimGhost]

Pfft fuck that.

[Kendal]

Every time I jumped 50 feet into a pile of hay, or manure, nobody reacted at all. Even from 75 feet nobody really did anything.

Bullshit. I peed on you the last time you jumped into that cart full of manure. ;)

I really want AC to be a great game, but I am not getting my hopes up. Ubisoft is known for making great games with game ending glitches(Prince of Persia I am looking at you). but now that we can get patches at will, I don't really have to worry about it. I am with holding judgement. Like I said, I am hoping that this game is awesome. I just don't want it do be a dissapointment for me from getting to hyped up.

[Rei no Otaku]

I really want AC to be a great game, but I am not getting my hopes up. Ubisoft is known for making great games with game ending glitches(Prince of Persia I am looking at you). but now that we can get patches at will, I don't really have to worry about it. I am with holding judgement. Like I said, I am hoping that this game is awesome. I just don't want it do be a dissapointment for me from getting to hyped up.
Pretty much how I feel. I really want the game to be good, but i'm remaining very skeptical. I know the team can do really good games (PoP1 and PoP3), but they have made some garbage (PoP2).

[CrimsonPaw]

And when you target enemies in combat, they get this weird glow with Matrix like digital artifacts all around them. It looks STUPID. And of course the other 3 guards stand there like dumbasses waiting for you to kill their buddy.
OK, you do know that the game has a sci-fi element to it, right? I'm thinking this may be one of those things that tie in later on in the game.

I'm really looking forward to this game; if it was a linear experience I would pass but considering it's a sandbox style it has me hyped. I like doing things my own way and really hope this gives me that freedom.

[whoknows]

Pretty much how I feel. I really want the game to be good, but i'm remaining very skeptical. I know the team can do really good games (PoP1 and PoP3), but they have made some garbage (PoP2).
I liked PoP2 the best out of the 3. Sure they tried to give it the more adult theme, but it was still great.

[Rei no Otaku]

I liked PoP2 the best out of the 3. Sure they tried to give it the more adult theme, but it was still great.
You honestly have the strangest taste in games I have ever seen. Lair, Sonic, PoP2. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just genuinely surprised.

Well at least I know that if you end up liking AC I shouldn't buy it. j/k

[whoknows]

You honestly have the strangest taste in games I have ever seen. Lair, Sonic, PoP2. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just genuinely surprised.

Well at least I know that if you end up liking AC I shouldn't buy it. j/k
Hey, PoP2 has ~85% at gamerankings. Far from garbage.

Besides, I'm sure you like your share of mediocre games (in fact I know you do from previous posts ;) )

[Rei no Otaku]

Biggest Koei fan on the forum! I know all about loving mediocre games!

I don't read reviews. As far as I'm concerned (and most people who like the PoP trilogy), PoP2 was easily the weak link.

[whoknows]

You stick to Koei for your mediocre games while I like mine to come from a variety of developers :lol:

[Puffa469]

I know all about loving mediocre games!



/stands up

Hi, my name is Puffa and Im addicted to Armored Core games...

[Nelo Ice]

so was watching south park and they advertised this game during every commercial break lol
saw like 1 new commercial and around 3 new trailers

[LinkinPrime]

I saw those trailers too, all in game footage...looks badass. I'm so glad I haven't read up on this game. Don't really know much about it just basicaly what I saw in the trailers tonight.

[archibishopthedoge]

The Game Informer review is promising, but it is Game Informer who I don't agree with a lot, however, the high score it got leads me to believe that its going to be decent as I rarely find a game rated 9 or 10 "bad", but there are times when I don't necessarily agree. Famitsu also gave it a relatively high score.

I was at Gamestop today and just pre-ordered it. I was hedging a bit and I did this before reading the review. I have been looking forward to it since I saw the debut video at the Barcelona conference and if its disappointing so be it. It'll be easy to flip if it sucks.

[Surferflames]

The Game Informer review is promising, but it is Game Informer who I don't agree with a lot, however, the high score it got leads me to believe that its going to be decent as I rarely find a game rated 9 or 10 "bad", but there are times when I don't necessarily agree. Famitsu also gave it a relatively high score.


I think that's whats going to happen with this game. For instance, I hated Halo3, but I can admit it's a good game worthy of a decent score. I have a feeling some people just wont "get" assassin's creed, but will admire it's quality.

[pittpizza]

I think that's whats going to happen with this game. For instance, I hated Halo3, but I can admit it's a good game worthy of a decent score. I have a feeling some people just wont "get" assassin's creed, but will admire it's quality.

I for one will get it, "get" it, and admire its quality.

My sentiments exaclty as to Halo 3. I bought it for its MP, breezed through co-op campaign and havent even played a MP match v. other players. I really need to try it out i just dont feel like getting owned for the first couple of matches.

[deadite76]

I saw those trailers too, all in game footage...looks badass. I'm so glad I haven't read up on this game. Don't really know much about it just basicaly what I saw in the trailers tonight.

I've been trying to avoid previews/trailers for this, Mass Effect and SMG. Of the three this was the one I was unsure of the most. After seeing those trailers, all worries are gone!

[lordwow]

My gf is really into getting this, because she's really into Middle Eastern History. So, I'll probably get her to buy it, and I'll play it while she watches.

[DarkNessBear]

I've been trying to avoid previews/trailers for this, Mass Effect and SMG. Of the three this was the one I was unsure of the most. After seeing those trailers, all worries are gone!

Dude, I hate it. It's really hard.

It's like something you love and you want to see everything on it, but i'm trying so hard not to see anything. It killed me to skip the AC commercials and the Attack of the Show demo...

[eswat]

I wish I didn't watch the trailers, but probably for different reasons than you guys are having. (I wish I could brain-pan that trailer with the terribly-out-of-place music from my mind, but I can't :()

[Puffa469]

I think that's whats going to happen with this game. For instance, I hated Halo3, but I can admit it's a good game worthy of a decent score. I have a feeling some people just wont "get" assassin's creed, but will admire it's quality.

Thats a great point. Theres a big difference between a game being bad, as in having glitches, bad ai, poor level layout, etc. And someone just not liking a game cos they're not into the genre or setting or whatever.

[Corvin]

I've been trying to avoid previews/trailers for this, Mass Effect and SMG. Of the three this was the one I was unsure of the most. After seeing those trailers, all worries are gone!

:lol: No interest in Mass Effect, but I've also avoided pretty much everything about Mario Galaxy and Assassin's Creed. I want to be blown away when I boot them up.

[Chris Dillon]

I don't know. I really don't want 4 games to play right now. I really had no interest in COD4 but I played it last night and it was sweat. Maybe cause I dominated my friend who had the game but it was still really cool for a fps.

[eswat]

GamePro's review
(http://gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/reviews/146308.shtml)
Here are their cons:

The world can feel a little too expansive at times. The gigantic environments can be overwhelming.
Fighting mechanics take practice to master. ... what?

[javeryh]

God I want this game to suck... I don't have time for all of this!!!!

[ryanbph]

God I want this game to suck... I don't have time for all of this!!!!

qft

[whoknows]

GamePro's review
(http://gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/reviews/146308.shtml)
Here are their cons:
... what?
Awesome about the score, the cons are laughable though. Still, I guess they had to find something wrong with the game.

[oxidative]

Games Radar has their review up. They gave it a 10. I started reading until they warned of spoilers. I stopped but now I can't wait. I feared this game would suck. It would seem it does not. There is something about it that completely intrigues me.

Games Radar Review
(http://www.gamesradar.com/us/xbox360/game/reviews/article.jsp?articleId=2007110813535942758179&sectionId=1000)

[rabidmonkeys]

I saw those trailers too, all in game footage...looks badass. I'm so glad I haven't read up on this game. Don't really know much about it just basicaly what I saw in the trailers tonight.

Keep that up! There are ton of spoilers that you want to avoid. I played it at E3 06 and I knew then it was my GoY no matter what year it came out.

[DarkNessBear]

Ugh, hurry up and come out already. =(

I'm gonna start creating my Altair outfit soon. It's going to be amazing.

[anomynous]

Just ordered from liongames, should come next friday or saturday

[archibishopthedoge]

Well my excitement level has been re-amped up for this. I went from crazy excited when announced, to tempered this summer reading the fears by reviewers, back right up.

While its only 3 or 4 reviews right now that Ive read, everyone is gushing over it. Can't wait till Tuesday and very glad I pre-ordered now :D

[Bezerker]

Got my hands on it. The game looks amazing. The premise on how they setup the storyline seems a bit weak so far, but maybe it'll get better as it goes on.

[seanr1221]

I wonder which system will have the better version, any word yet?

[Brak]

I wonder which system will have the better version, any word yet?
Any time something is multiplatform, it will likely be better on the 360, as developers will use the 360 dev. kit, and port it over, from there, to That Triple.

This is especially true, being that this is an Ubisoft title.

[ZerotypeX]

Got my hands on it. The game looks amazing. The premise on how they setup the storyline seems a bit weak so far, but maybe it'll get better as it goes on.

howd you get it?

[ZerotypeX]

Any time something is multiplatform, it will likely be better on the 360, as developers will use the 360 dev. kit, and port it over, from there, to That Triple.

This is especially true, being that this is an Ubisoft title.

When it was first announced though, it was annoucned for ps3...

[seanr1221]

Any time something is multiplatform, it will likely be better on the 360, as developers will use the 360 dev. kit, and port it over, from there, to That Triple.

This is especially true, being that this is an Ubisoft title.

Usually yea, but I thought the game started on the PS3?

Oh well, I dont understand any of it, I'll just wait and see. :bouncy:

[Brak]

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.

Wasn't it a case of "hush money", though? Sony paid them to say that there were no current plans to release it on any other console.

It's likely that it was multiplatform, from the get-go.

It doesn't help that, I recall, they had that demonstration at some gaming expo, during that exclusivity timeframe, where they were actually playing it on a 360, or whatever that was.

[seanr1221]

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.

Wasn't it a case of "hush money", though? Sony paid them to say that there were no current plans to release it on any other console.

It's likely that it was multiplatform, from the get-go.

It doesn't help that, I recall, they had that demonstration at some gaming expo, during that exclusivity timeframe, where they were actually playing it on a 360, or whatever that was.

:lol: I vaguely recall reading that somewhere (the playing on the 360 thing)

[Corvin]

Usually yea, but I thought the game started on the PS3?


Like many, I thought the same but this is from Taffer on DVDTalk
No, it started development on the 360. Many people forget that the game was actually first announced at Microsoft's X05 event under the codename "Project Assassin."

What happened is that the following May at E3 '06 is that Ubisoft conveniently never mentioned the 360 version. They never said that it wasn't coming to the 360 though. Most people just assumed that since they never said anything about the 360 version that it was suddenly a PS3 exclusive. People apparently forgot that it was already announced half a year prior as a 360 game.

And the original X05 360 trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgxIoVYj890&eurl=http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=501399&page=2&pp=40

[CrimsonPaw]

Anyone know why the ship date for this is Wednesday and not Tuesday? I would love to get this and SMG on the same day and save me a trip.

[Rei no Otaku]

The ship date is Tuesday... Tuesday is the 13th.

[DarkNessBear]

The gamestop employees keep saying it is the 14th.

I said I think it'll probably come out the 13th and he said "Its the 14th, and if you don't believe me you can be kicked out." Afterwards he said, "Kidding" but it didnt sound like he was kidding. He seemed angry...

[Rei no Otaku]

It is coming out the 14th. It ships the 13th.

Oh I see, you guys are confusing ship date and release date. It SHIPS Tuesday. It'll be in stores Wednesday.

[AshesofWake]

so anybody want to spoiler what the big twist is in the game?

[Razzuel]

I don't know about this game. After watching this video

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26570.html?type=flv
(http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26570.html?type=flv)
and hearing some opinions from E3, this game looks like it might be a let down.

Hopefully it is a great game but it's hard not to have doubts after seeing/hearing some of that stuff.

[GizmoGC]

Wednesday it will be in stores.

[King]

so anybody want to spoiler what the big twist is in the game?

It's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_7svQMjYuo&NR=1

[Brian9824]

Man after watching intro game looks to be such a letdown. Definitely waiting till I can rent this first.

[toper]

$39 at Fry's this week...only catch is that they won't get it until Thurs (at that price, I can wait :) ).

[Puffa469]

I don't know about this game. After watching this video

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26570.html?type=flv
(http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26570.html?type=flv)
and hearing some opinions from E3, this game looks like it might be a let down.

Hopefully it is a great game but it's hard not to have doubts after seeing/hearing some of that stuff.

The jumping and climbing parts look like alot of fun. But the combat looks like ass. I simply cannot watch FOUR enemy gaurds stand 3 feet away from the hero and not attack. They are BEHIND him and they just watch Altair kill the one gaurd in front of him. :roll:

[Chris Dillon]

Its hard to create a game with a normal guy taking on 5 guys at once and winning. It would be hard to do a realtime fight between you and 6 guys without getting hit by a sword at least once and dieing. I think this is a waiter for cheaper pastures even if it gets good reviews. I don't see a very lengthy game plus how much replay can their be. Personally, it takes a lot for me to ever replay a game and to this day I really don't ever remember me getting through a game a whole second time. I don't see myself as a casual gamer or anywhere near hardcore but I do respect a good game and will go out and pony 60 for it. If I spend 60 on a game I want at least 15 hours and possibly multiplayer. Although, I did buy bioshock knowing perfectly well what I was getting and was not let down. I haven't touched it since beating it but keep thinking of doing so cause I have 800/1000 achievement points. Tough world we live in.

[Rei no Otaku]

Its hard to create a game with a normal guy taking on 5 guys at once and winning.
Other action games do it fine. You just have to make a combat system that can handle it. In DMC3 and NG, you'll have multiple guys beating on you most of the time. Yet it's no problem kicking all their asses, and looking cool while you do it, once you get the combat down.

The way the combat looks in AC is just another one of those little things that brings down a game that looks great in all other aspects.

[Chris Dillon]

Your not normal in DMC and can take a hit. I think if you get hit by a sword in real life you die. Thats what the baddies are carrying aren't they? I'm not saying its the best, but maybe it was the best they could do and still have a cool combat system.

[Rei no Otaku]

So you get hit once and die in AC?

[zewone]

So you get hit once and die in AC?
No.

[Rei no Otaku]

You have the game right? How is it? I have it preordered, so I'm buying it anyway, but I'm curious.

[zewone]

It's great.

Different from what I expected, and I haven't put a lot of time in to it, but I am enjoying myself.

The controls do take sometime to get used to, and you will be attacked by more than one guy at a time.

[Calamityuponthee]

It's great.

Different from what I expected, and I haven't put a lot of time in to it, but I am enjoying myself.

The controls do take sometime to get used to, and you will be attacked by more than one guy at a time.

Worth 60$?

[zewone]

I can't say that yet.

I'm leaning towards no, but I would definitely pay $40-50.

Isn't someone selling it for $40 this week?

Oh, it's Frys, but not everyone can get in on that deal.

[archibishopthedoge]

howd you get it?
If you have a chipped or modified firmware console, its been on the net for download for about 2 days now. A lot of people have it. At this one torrent site Im a member of, it had more seeders than anything else on the entire site.

I personally don't have it (I preordered and dont have a modified console) but theres plenty of people that do

[creeeaature]

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/assassinscreed?q=assassin's%20creed#critics


It's hard to put the sheer size and brilliance of Assassin's Creed into words. It is an epic game that you have to experience for yourself.


With its riveting story, beautiful visuals and surprisingly lifelike world, Assassin's Creed is an incredibly deep, enjoyable game that kept us addicted from beginning to bizarre end.



It’s a game people will still be talking about five years from now.

[robin2099]

The jumping and climbing parts look like alot of fun. But the combat looks like ass. I simply cannot watch FOUR enemy gaurds stand 3 feet away from the hero and not attack. They are BEHIND him and they just watch Altair kill the one gaurd in front of him. :roll:

So you would prefer a game in which, you try and fight one person, while four others are stabbing you in the back(and sides)? Sometimes, in order to make it fair, and fun you have to make sacrfices in the games AI. Course, if it was the other way then everyone would be complaining about how "the cheao AI is unfair and constantly gangs up and kills you."

[thrustbucket]

I'm leaning towards no, but I would definitely pay $40-50.


Why would you if you already have it?

[zewone]

Why would you if you already have it?
What I meant, is more of a review.

I don't think $60 is a good price point, $40-50 is more in the range of how good the game is.

[archibishopthedoge]

What I meant, is more of a review.

I don't think $60 is a good price point, $40-50 is more in the range of how good the game is.
Thats basically here nor there. $60 is the standard price for every game, aside from the occasional places that do deals which not everyone can get. It's either worth that or its not. If it's not it's just a rental or wait till used.

So, if you think its only worth 40-50 bucks, then its not worth buying new according to your logic.

[zewone]

No, have you heard of deals?

[archibishopthedoge]

No, have you heard of deals?
I mentioned deals (read the post), the fact is not everyone can get deals on the game. The best deal right now is Fry's which is not nationwide.

It's either worth $60 or its not worth buying new as thats the standard price that most people are going to pay or is it worth buying but ONLY if you can get a deal? Clarify your opinion.

[Chris Dillon]

next week, friday and saturday at BB or CC 10$ gift card with purchase. Thats all.

[dfo]

Thats basically here nor there. $60 is the standard price for every game, aside from the occasional places that do deals which not everyone can get. It's either worth that or its not. If it's not it's just a rental or wait till used.

So, if you think its only worth 40-50 bucks, then its not worth buying new according to your logic.

Don't be an ass -- if you go back and read the thread, someone (who does not have it yet) specifically asked if Assassin's Creed is worth $60.

You are right that there are other ways the question could have been asked (i.e. "should I buy it now, or rent it or wait to buy it used?") but I'm willing to go out on a limb and guess that everyone else reading this thread (with the possible exception of you) understands that "is it worth $60?" means "should I buy it on the day of release for retail?"

So why harass zewone for just directly answering a question?

[thrustbucket]

What I meant, is more of a review.

I don't think $60 is a good price point, $40-50 is more in the range of how good the game is.

Hehe, I don't mean to sound like a total dick but there is some heavy irony in someone who uses cash value of a game to rate it, when he himself won't pay a penny for any game if he can help it ;).

[Ryukahn]

Has it been said how many hours it takes to beat the game?

I haven't looked at many previews for this game since I don't want anything to be spoiled, which is the same reason I haven't browsed this thread for my answer, so sorry if it has been answered.

[SynGamer]

Has it been said how many hours it takes to beat the game?

I haven't looked at many previews for this game since I don't want anything to be spoiled, which is the same reason I haven't browsed this thread for my answer, so sorry if it has been answered.

So far reviewers have said roughly 20 hours to complete the main story if you rush through. It can take 40+ hours though if you complete all the side quests.

[Ryukahn]

So far reviewers have said roughly 20 hours to complete the main story if you rush through. It can take 40+ hours though if you complete all the side quests.

Wow, that's a lot longer than I thought. I was expecting 10-15 hours.

[Calamityuponthee]

Wow, that's a lot longer than I thought. I was expecting 10-15 hours.

Whenever someone tells me a time to beat a game I usually divide it in half. 10 hours seems about right.

[Duke Vandal]

Has anyone heard whether the game will run better on the 360 vs the PS3? I heard from someone that the two versions are pretty much the same, and if that's the case I'll pick up the game for the PS3 to lesser the chance of a RROD when I pick up Mass Effect.

[Calamityuponthee]

Has anyone heard whether the game will run better on the 360 vs the PS3? I heard from someone that the two versions are pretty much the same, and if that's the case I'll pick up the game for the PS3 to lesser the chance of a RROD when I pick up Mass Effect.

That's great, shows how fearful we are. I had that worry too, then I bought Mass Effect on Saturday. I already beat it so my worries are gone. Bring on AC!

[SynGamer]

Well, my 360 is just chugging away when i put any game into it now that streams. Waiting for the DVD drive to break, then hopefully an RRoD once i leave it on for like 8 hours straight. It's a 2005 model and i still have until May of 08 for parts to be replaced...

[saintpale]

If you beat this game in 10 hours, you are missing the point. It's worth every bit of 60, and then some...

[DarkNessBear]

ASSSASSSINS CREED OFFICIALLY SHIPS!!!

:bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::b ouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

WOOOHOOO!

Been waiting for such a long time... time goes by so fast. Screw life.

[whoknows]

9 from gametrailers

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27616.html?type=flv

They do NOT spoil the twist at the beginning.

[DarkNessBear]

Like HELL if I am watching any reviews.

I can't believe they gave the story a 9.7 (I skipped to the score and didn't look at any video) ! That's crazy! I CANT WAIT!!!!

[whoknows]

Yeah, I'm watching it right now and I'd say don't watch it to get the most enjoyment out of the game.

[Moxio]

I believe GT said around 15 hrs normal skill level.

[archibishopthedoge]

I really hope GS puts it out today. The guy said they may do a same day sale on it but don't know if they are still thinking of that.

Hate that ship date shit, just say the release date is the next day.

[Malkovich]

ouch 7 from 1up

I'll give it a rent I think.

[lordwow]

9 from gametrailers

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27616.html?type=flv

They do NOT spoil the twist at the beginning.

It's pretty sad when we're discussing if they spoil the twist at the beginning when everyone and their brother already knows what the twist is.

[creeeaature]

ouch 7 from 1up

I'll give it a rent I think.

Read through 1UP's review, it's bogus.

[Brian9824]

It's bogus because the game is repetitive having you do the exact same tasks over and over again? That's a major game killer for me right there.

So far 1up has the least biased review by far

[archibishopthedoge]

I wouldn't call it bogus by any stretch, so far every other review out there has been nothing but 8-10s. 1UP (EGM) were also the most critical of it heading into launch.

A 7 is not enough for me not to purchase it, theres still plenty of 9/10s out there.

[eswat]

It's bogus because the game is repetitive having you do the exact same tasks over and over again? That's a major game killer for me right there. That was a negative listed in a review that gave it a 10/10. These reviews sure are "interesting".

[archibishopthedoge]

well Gamestop got the silly WWE game in, hopefully Creed will be there today as well

eh Ive been waiting since it was announced to play it, one more day won't hurt, just hope its not like Gears and have to wait till the Thurs after Tuesday launch to play it

[creeeaature]

It's bogus because the game is repetitive having you do the exact same tasks over and over again? That's a major game killer for me right there.

So far 1up has the least biased review by far

Having played the game, yes I can say it is bogus. It's like taking a shooter such as gears of war and saying shooting your gun gets too repetitive. It's a game where you play an assassin, what do you expect?!

I mean come on they gave Tenchu Z a 6.5 and that game was essentially the same mission 50 times over. To put Assassin's Creed within a .5 of that game is a bunch of bull.

[Megaten]

I think that 7 from 1Up is the most honest review I've read yet. I mean, all the other perfect/near perfect scores are from places where their opinions are typically pretty rubbish (Gamepro, anyone?). And of everyone over at 1Up/EGM, I prefer the reviews from guys like Michael Donahoe and Jeremy Parish. And keep in mind that a 7/10 from them isn't bad at all since they actually do try to use the full 1-10 scale, even if people like Shoe are just hellbent to give anything overly hyped a 10/10 every time.

I was only planning on renting this one anyway, so regardless if I personally think it ends up as a 9/10 or 6/10 or whatever based on my own tastes, that review isn't gonna deter me away from the game.

EDIT: creeeeaature, you are aware that there are various reviewers within 1Up/EGM/GFW that do have different tastes/reservations towards games. I knew before I even checked when you cited their 6.5 of Z that it was gonna be Milky reviewing it - and sure enough it was. You can't just put their reviews under this whole '1up.com' banner, and like I said before...yes, if this score came from someone like Milky or Shoe, I might find something suspect in it. But it was Donahoe, and I've consistently agreed with his reviews...so I think you might not want to compare scores like that because it isn't a comparison on an even field.

Plus, I mean - I'd say their complaint is nothing like what you've stated. Shooting for example is typically fast paced and visceral. Of course it isn't going to get boring after a while. But in something like this, where you're having to tip-toe around, doing the same thing apparently over and over, when at its core it's slow and tedious to begin with - I'd say that the negativity towards those aspects are probably well founded. I'd liken this more to having to do the same 'Go here and kill X' person in a GTA game than something as broad as 'shooting in a shooter'. That isn't even remotely the same thing as what they're complaining about here. And I'd agree - GTA games stay fun because of the diversity in their missions (I'd assume, I actually personally can't stand the series myself).

[lordwow]

I think it'll get scores around 8.5 from IGN and Gamespot, we'll see though. 1up seems to focus on the flaws while the other reviews seem to be a little to "SO COOL!"

[Brian9824]

Thanks Megaten for a good summary. The game appears to have the issues i thought it would which is why i won't get it at launch. They say its fun and a great play but point out the major flaws that mar it from being the same type of experience as a game like bioshock (and hopefully mass effect). It's a game I will definitely buy down the road but with Mass Effect coming out next week and many other good games to play it will sadly be passed over for now.

I have been expecting the non biased reviews to give the game about an 8-8.5. I mean I don't know how you can have a 10.0 or 9.5 game when they say in the review it gets repetitive. Bioshock would have been so easy to screw up and make repetitive but the nature of the enemies, your abilities, and the story fit togethor so well that you weren't bored

[archibishopthedoge]

ah well gotta wait till tomorrow, none of the 5 Gamestops in town are getting it today and even if they do they're not putting it on shelves till morning...bastards