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mpj31
08-06-2007, 07:11 PM
i think you are too picky.

retodd
08-06-2007, 07:16 PM
I've sometimes used Daisy when others pick Waluigi before me because she has comparable speed and a nice special move.

I believe Daisy and Waluigi have identical stats, but I prefer Waluigi's celebrations. I have found his special to be more useful as well.

tacklebox
08-06-2007, 07:22 PM
WA-LU-I-GI!

*suck it*


Actually, I prefer Daisy's special... it won't get you megastrikes, but it will help the defense immensely if timed properly.

mpj31
08-06-2007, 07:53 PM
i think its lame it resets your w/l online.

tacklebox
08-06-2007, 07:59 PM
It does that because it has weeklong seasons so that the same guy isn't always at the top... I guess.

botticus
08-06-2007, 08:10 PM
It does that because it has weeklong seasons so that the same guy isn't always at the top... I guess.It gives more reason to keep playing for the majority - otherwise the dude who can obsess over the game from Day 1 will always be at the top, while someone who buys the game in December will be fucked and never pass rank 50000.

mpj31
08-06-2007, 08:33 PM
It should keep your w/l since it ranks by points anyway. just reset pts

tacklebox
08-06-2007, 08:36 PM
Well, the Wii DOES store your Mii's W/L record; if you look closely when you log on with the Mii in strikers, it shows its lifetime record. Not online, but you can't say it isn't there.

botticus
08-06-2007, 08:40 PM
It should keep your w/l since it ranks by points anyway. just reset ptsIt could, but I think I and most people would be more interested in how they got those points. Were they 0-140 with 140 points, or were they 10-0? Then they'd have to display two records.

I really need to play the Crystal Cup again or buttle's gonna smoke me in our match... haven't played since Thursday, I think.

mpj31
08-06-2007, 09:08 PM
I know but I'd like to know who I'm facing on a Monday. How should I prepare.

magiic
08-06-2007, 09:13 PM
I want to know how I ended up not being in the tourney. I thought I put my name in the hat early enough. It also looks as if I have been taken out of the OP

buttle
08-06-2007, 10:01 PM
It should keep your w/l since it ranks by points anyway. just reset pts

i think it will do a lot to prevent cheating. cheating is such a huge thing with online play now days. i think it's worth it

botticus
08-06-2007, 10:16 PM
I want to know how I ended up not being in the tourney. I thought I put my name in the hat early enough. It also looks as if I have been taken out of the OPI.... have no answer to that. Did I ever get you in the OP? You may have missed one of my requests to double-check the OP a couple days ago before everything was finalized.

magiic
08-06-2007, 10:17 PM
Ya I was in the OP for a bit not sure when I dropped out of it. I was pumped an ready for the tourney. I suppose I'll have to keep practicing and be ready to kick ass in the next one

botticus
08-06-2007, 10:19 PM
Ya I was in the OP for a bit not sure when I dropped out of it. I was pumped an ready for the tourney. I suppose I'll have to keep practicing and be ready to kick ass in the next oneThen I really have no idea... I may have accidentally deleted you when editing it one day? You got me.

Rocko
08-06-2007, 11:31 PM
Just won my first online match. I've found myself a team I'm rather comfortable with. If anyone would like to play an online match, I'm game.

Botticus, if it isn't too much trouble, could you possibly sort the OP by, say, date added or something? Chunk them into months? If I'm going to add the majority of people here to my friends list, it'll be hard to remember who I've added and who I haven't.

That being said, I'm going to add everyone in the OP to my list now.

mpj31
08-06-2007, 11:37 PM
ill play now

Rocko
08-06-2007, 11:40 PM
I'll add you now and go on.

wjhard63
08-06-2007, 11:40 PM
I got the game but I'm not too impressed so far. I hate that the Mega shots take so long (even if you don't get it perfect or close you still have to watch the cutscene). Anyway my FC is

433898 988424

LMK if you add me so I can put you on my list as well.


Staind - added you today - please add me back (wjhard - 017286 705150). Thanks!

ArthurDigbySellers
08-06-2007, 11:43 PM
For the person who asked why no one uses Daisy, I use her exclusively. It hasn't seemed to have helped my game all that much, but I think your sidekicks really play more of an important role than your captain. I still don't think my mix of sidekicks is right.

mpj31
08-06-2007, 11:56 PM
Brocko you probably hate my playing style... sorry. I hate using drybones like that but I take it as being a shot. If I make a suggestion...you didn't really have any good shooters on your team. Put birdo, hammer, or a different captain and you will be good to go. Right now your team is fast and good passers but no one can shoot well. Thats just my opinion to try to help you out.

Rocko
08-06-2007, 11:57 PM
Thanks. I will say I don't have much respect for juking past the goalie right into the goal. Thats a cheap move in my book. Other than that, good game.

mpj31
08-07-2007, 12:05 AM
I look at it this way: Dry Bones cant score by shooting because his shooting sucks. Usually if birdo has it in front of the goal fully charged it will go in if you shoot. If you have it fully charged with dry bones its a 'shot' by pressing deke. Just my opinion, I could be trying to justify it. ... Whoever was trying to invite me, either Si or Rocko I was afk for a bit. I'm here now.

Staind204
08-07-2007, 12:20 AM
Ok I added snipegod and wjhard63

mpj31
08-07-2007, 12:39 AM
add everyone I'd like to play you

js1
08-07-2007, 12:49 AM
I think I have everyone up to jbuck added to my list so far.

ratzombie
08-07-2007, 12:51 AM
Ya I was in the OP for a bit not sure when I dropped out of it. I was pumped an ready for the tourney. I suppose I'll have to keep practicing and be ready to kick ass in the next one

Beats me as well, I don't remember ever seeing you in the OP and I've been paying decent enough attention to this thread.

Crazy stuff.

js1
08-07-2007, 01:01 AM
Beats me as well, I don't remember ever seeing you in the OP and I've been paying decent enough attention to this thread.

Crazy stuff.

Same here.

CouRageouS
08-07-2007, 01:21 AM
The only logical explanation is botticus hates Canadians :lol:

mpj31
08-07-2007, 01:28 AM
tybee when are we gonna match. I'm almost calling it quits tonight. About to sign off uless somone come son.

MisterHand
08-07-2007, 01:54 AM
Played my tourney round with V Man tonight. He trounced me easily. Good game, sir!

V Man
08-07-2007, 01:55 AM
RESULTS ARE IN FOR TOURNAMENT MATCH:

Misterhand (Groucho) vs. V Man (V Man)

Groucho 3 - 8 V Man
Groucho 0 - 7 V Man


Good game Misterhand.... you got me good a few times with Birdo...

mpj31
08-07-2007, 02:13 AM
Vman looks like a tough competitor... 8 and 7 goals? Yikes.

js1
08-07-2007, 02:17 AM
I'll be using the same team the entire tournament. Please dont plan against me:

Hammer Bros, Birdo, Dry Bones, Waluigi

I wish I could have planned! With those on your team and the way you play it's very hard to beat you.

mpj31
08-07-2007, 02:23 AM
Hey, I switched it up at the end there and had the best game. Good game though.

Honestly I feel there are so many different levels to this game. I beat about 6.5 out of every 10 people I play in the ranked matches. There are some people who are REALLY good though. And they usually always use DK

Rocko
08-07-2007, 02:29 AM
Played around a little bit with Birdo and I definitely realized I need a good shooter.

Although a team of Peach, Birdo and Boo offense, and Bones defense is still pretty weak with shooting. I should probably choose a new cpatain, but I really like Peach. I dunno.

I've added everyone mpj and above to friends, but only two people have added me. I need friends! D=

I'll be adding the rest later tonight.

V Man
08-07-2007, 02:34 AM
Vman looks like a tough competitor... 8 and 7 goals? Yikes.

eh, I got lucky with a MegaStrike each game..... I don't use the deke goals, it sorta strays from the fun just watching Dry Bones and Toads walk in whenever they please....


I'll be using the same team the entire tournament. Please dont plan against me:

Hammer Bros, Birdo, Dry Bones, Waluigi

good thing we're not in the same bracket, or else we'd have to coin flip for Waluigi.... can't go wrong with a Ho-Down... yee haw!

mpj31
08-07-2007, 02:55 AM
Played around a little bit with Birdo and I definitely realized I need a good shooter.

Although a team of Peach, Birdo and Boo offense, and Bones defense is still pretty weak with shooting. I should probably choose a new cpatain, but I really like Peach. I dunno.

I've added everyone mpj and above to friends, but only two people have added me. I need friends! D=

I'll be adding the rest later tonight.
exchange boo with hammer bros and you have yourself a decent team


And I dont mind using Daisy, WaLuigis wall is getting harder and harder to use.


I'm looking at the bracket...are you trying to tell me I have to play Si if I get past Tybee....great, how did you come up with these matches. O well. I dont think it will even matter Vman.

panasonic
08-07-2007, 05:10 AM
I just got mario strikers today traded in my paper mario. I suck so you can make some easy points off me. Who wants to play :-) 0675670444191459

bardiya27
08-07-2007, 05:53 AM
just to let everyone know I have added everyone that has posted in this thread, and in the OP. but for some reason I sitll only have 12 friends. So if you have not added me my FC is :249214 828217

ratzombie
08-07-2007, 07:27 AM
I just got mario strikers today traded in my paper mario. I suck so you can make some easy points off me. Who wants to play :-)
It'd help to post your friend code. :lol:

Tybee
08-07-2007, 11:57 AM
I'm looking at the bracket...are you trying to tell me I have to play Si if when I get past Tybee....great, how did you come up with these matches. O well. I dont think it will even matter Vman.

Fixed. ;)

I was planning to use Daisy in our match, so why don't you stick with Waluigi for now. Not that it matters much at this point. I suspect my coach will be shot on his front lawn by enraged fans after our match. :roll:

botticus
08-07-2007, 12:12 PM
I'm looking at the bracket...are you trying to tell me I have to play Si if I get past Tybee....great, how did you come up with these matches. O well. I dont think it will even matter Vman.Without doing a bunch of qualifying matches early on, we have no way of seeding. Not to mention in a CAG tournament, I'd feel kinda mean pitting the #1 seed against a #16 seed if we had seeds. Wouldn't seem right. Especially cause I'd probably be the #16.

ratzombie
08-07-2007, 04:52 PM
Legendaryhedgehog06 and I have scheduled a match for Weds, at around 5:00 PM.

So we'll get you the results soon, botticus.

Rocko
08-07-2007, 05:28 PM
Yukine, I added you, but it still says connecting.

I just had the laggiest match ever, four star connection. It literally would come to a dead stop. I ended up just turning off the Wii.

panasonic
08-07-2007, 05:57 PM
ok my friend code is 0675670444191459

Please tell me if you add me so i can add you :-)

snipegod
08-07-2007, 06:12 PM
ok my friend code is 0675670444191459

Please tell me if you add me so i can add you :-)

That's your Wii Console friend code.

Your Mario Strikers Charged friend code is listed at the top of the "Friend Roster" screen you can access after logging in to Nintendo WiFi in Strikers.

buttle
08-07-2007, 06:30 PM
Without doing a bunch of qualifying matches early on, we have no way of seeding. Not to mention in a CAG tournament, I'd feel kinda mean pitting the #1 seed against a #16 seed if we had seeds. Wouldn't seem right. Especially cause I'd probably be the #16.

i love qualifying matches. they give everybody an opportunity to play some matches without getting eliminating.$ and seeding helps ensure that the semifinals and finals are full of the best teams. it does suck for that #16 team, but somebody has to play the #1 seed. it's tricky.

botticus
08-07-2007, 06:36 PM
i love qualifying matches. they give everybody an opportunity to play some matches without getting eliminating.$ and seeding helps ensure that the semifinals and finals are full of the best teams. it does suck for that #16 team, but somebody has to play the #1 seed. it's tricky.Definitely... we will do that for the next tournament, seemed people just wanted to get this one started quickly.

You up for our game right now, buttle?

hohez
08-07-2007, 06:40 PM
Yukine, you can delete me on your friends code lsit for strikers. I was already getting tired of it so i jumped ship and traded it in while I could still maximize my cash back. Same for anyone with me added, go ahead and delete it.

schuerm26
08-07-2007, 07:00 PM
So does this game definitely warrant the 5 out of 5 game of the month from Gamepro?

ratzombie
08-07-2007, 07:00 PM
Yukine, you can delete me on your friends code lsit for strikers. I was already getting tired of it so i jumped ship and traded it in while I could still maximize my cash back. Same for anyone with me added, go ahead and delete it.

Alright, thanks for notifying me.

Sir_Fragalot
08-07-2007, 07:20 PM
Anyone get past challenge 8 yet (th one with yoshi). I tried for a hour and a half today but got my ass kicked every time. Any suggestions?

mpj31
08-07-2007, 07:58 PM
lol well I just played some guy who was 72-17 and I was pretty scared. I beat him the first game 4-3...he really wasnt that good. I played a lot of keepaway though and was conservative. Then I killed him the second game 5-2 and right before the game ended he shut off his wii. Wow sore loser for somone ranked 47. He did impress me though, somehow he scored right off the kickoff with mario. He lobbed shot it over my goalie at least 3 times the time we played. My goalie was useless against his shot.


Botticus why dont we just change the current tournament to have qualifying matches.

botticus
08-07-2007, 08:19 PM
Botticus why dont we just change the current tournament to have qualifying matches.Cause the general consensus was to not have a qualifying round for the first tournament. And considering how long it's taking to get the 4 or 5 first round matches done so far, even if we did a split qualifier, we'd be adding a few weeks before we got into the bracket.

Rocko
08-07-2007, 08:22 PM
I have everyone in the OP added to my list. I check my friends list every time to see if I can play a match with a CAG, so I'd appreciate it if you'd add my to your friends list. :)

wjhard63
08-07-2007, 08:34 PM
Bardiya - good game - nice sweep - I thought you were going to run away with that first game.

Sorry I couldn't play more matches - gotta feed the dogs and get a quick run in.

I'll play you again sometime soon, hopefully in a little bit better form!

botticus
08-07-2007, 08:39 PM
Umm... wow. Is it too late to forfeit the tournament? Enjoy your CAG tournament title, Si!

Can't keep playing, gotta add all these damn friend codes. Maybe later on.

Sorry for cancelling all those invites, friend codes are serious business. :lol:

buttle
08-07-2007, 09:20 PM
Anyone get past challenge 8 yet (th one with yoshi). I tried for a hour and a half today but got my ass kicked every time. Any suggestions?

yea, my strategy for that one was;
i'd take a couple power shots just to get some weapons. pass it to the captain, use the weapons to clear some space. shoot a super strike, then repeat.

i think the time i beat it i got a couple of easy 1 point shots here and there as well. but no matter what, you're top priority needs to be to get yoshi room for super strikes.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-07-2007, 09:35 PM
Umm... wow. Is it too late to forfeit the tournament? Enjoy your CAG tournament title, Si!

Can't keep playing, gotta add all these damn friend codes. Maybe later on.

Sorry for cancelling all those invites, friend codes are serious business. :lol:

No problem mate don't worry about it. Good games:applause:

There are so many freakin' people online better than me. Its unbelievable. I used to think I was quite good but my first 5 matchs of the new season I got whipped. I'm sorta turning it around now but Jesus H...lotta stiff competition out there.

daroga
08-07-2007, 09:43 PM
No problem mate don't worry about it. Good games:applause:

There are so many freakin' people online better than me. Its unbelievable. I used to think I was quite good but my first 5 matchs of the new season I got whipped. I'm sorta turning it around now but Jesus H...lotta stiff competition out there.I know what you mean. I've not considered myself "good" but competent at least. I played 8 matches online today that made me look like I had the TV off while playing. People just destroyed me.

botticus
08-07-2007, 09:51 PM
I know what you mean. I've not considered myself "good" but competent at least. I played 8 matches online today that made me look like I had the TV off while playing. People just destroyed me.My 1-4 against the two of you says I know the feeling ;) I stole one game when our goalies apparently decided to take a vacation, but half the time it seemed like I would have been more effective if I didn't touch the analog stick.

Hmm... my friend roster appears to be stuck on some noisy loop.... keeps beeping at me as if someone was connecting over and over again when someone is online.

Oh crap... I just took too long to pick a captain and I'm stuck with Bowser. This should be fun.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-07-2007, 10:11 PM
The higher ranked players are disappointingly cheap. I played against 50 today and when all they did was lob spam the ball to DK. In the last minute of one of the matches he Goal hugged out the clock so he would keep his 1-0 lead. Bastard.

botticus
08-07-2007, 10:25 PM
Better match than I expected, at least I wasn't totally embarassed. I wasn't paying enough attention to recall the exact scores of the first and third games, let me know what those were, buttle.

Truly, I just feel blessed to have made it to the second round on a bye.

buttle
08-07-2007, 10:29 PM
Better match than I expected, at least I wasn't totally embarassed.

Truly, I just feel blessed to have made it to the second round on a bye.

yea, it was a great series. you'll never believe. at the begining of the third match the ups guy came to my door. i felt really bad to make him wait. i told him it was an online game for a tournament and that i can't pause.

i eventually got my wife to come in and sign for it. i felt bad though.

also, you did an amazing job stopping those super strikes. i can never stop the really fast ones. and i was surprised how effective bowers shot was in the center of the field. that kept going straight in.

botticus
08-07-2007, 10:31 PM
yea, it was a great series. you'll never believe. at the begining of the third match the ups guy came to my door. i felt really bad to make him wait. i told him it was an online game for a tournament and that i can't pause.

i eventually got my wife to come in and sign for it. i felt bad though.

also, you did an amazing job stopping those super strikes. i can never stop the really fast ones. and i was surprised how effective bowers shot was in the center of the field. that kept going straight in.Haha, yeah, I noticed you were about a second or two late at the beginning of that game.

First time I've used Bowser, that charged shot was basically all that kept me in it... I don't think any of my sidekicks scored all three games.

You might have missed my edit above, did you catch the scores of the first and third games? I wanna say it was 4-2 and 4-1.

daroga
08-07-2007, 10:42 PM
My 1-4 against the two of you says I know the feeling ;) I stole one game when our goalies apparently decided to take a vacation, but half the time it seemed like I would have been more effective if I didn't touch the analog stick.Hehe, those were great matches. We both had several shots that I thought were actual goals but weren't. Weird.

Good games :)

ArthurDigbySellers
08-07-2007, 10:46 PM
The higher ranked players are disappointingly cheap. I played against 50 today and when all they did was lob spam the ball to DK. In the last minute of one of the matches he Goal hugged out the clock so he would keep his 1-0 lead. Bastard.

Goal hugging or goalie camping is the tactic I was talking about earlier. So damn cheap.

daroga
08-07-2007, 10:51 PM
Goal hugging or goalie camping is the tactic I was talking about earlier. So damn cheap.It is indeed, but not undefeatable. I only use it against the mega cheap CPU, and they've scored on me a few times when I do it ;)

ArthurDigbySellers
08-07-2007, 10:51 PM
EXStrike and I played our 2nd round match tonight. I managed to eek out the win:

Game 1: lebowsky (2-1)
Game 2: EXStrike (6-2)
Game 3: lebowsky (5-4)

Great games EX. It definitely could have gone either way and you trounced me that 2nd game so bad - I didn't know what hit me.

Rocko
08-07-2007, 10:56 PM
Gonna go on in a bit and look for any CAGs that are on for a game. Online play has found me quite a few opponents who use the same repetitive cheap tactics. Meh.

panasonic
08-07-2007, 10:56 PM
That's your Wii Console friend code.

Your Mario Strikers Charged friend code is listed at the top of the "Friend Roster" screen you can access after logging in to Nintendo WiFi in Strikers.

argh this is such a pain. Ok gonna update this post with my friends code soon:cold:

171 906 012043

bardiya27
08-07-2007, 11:33 PM
woot im back on.

good game wjhard! you were such a good matchup, i wanted to play again

botticus
08-07-2007, 11:45 PM
EXStrike and I played our 2nd round match tonight. I managed to eek out the win:

Game 1: lebowsky (2-1)
Game 2: EXStrike (6-2)
Game 3: lebowsky (5-4)

Great games EX. It definitely could have gone either way and you trounced me that 2nd game so bad - I didn't know what hit me.And with that, you and buttle are free to schedule your third round matchup. That was convenient.

mpj31
08-07-2007, 11:56 PM
Si, I think I'm ready for a rematch. I've been doing pretty well lately, I feel like I need somone to put me back in place.

Well..... at least im catching up I guess.

Rocko
08-07-2007, 11:58 PM
Just went online, and it seems I only have three friends. I guess no one loves me. :[

daroga
08-07-2007, 11:58 PM
Si, great games! We're you letting me tie it up? ;)

daroga
08-08-2007, 12:05 AM
alrighty, what the heck? bardiya and I are trying to get our match going and I keep getting booted every time we invite each other.

daroga
08-08-2007, 12:12 AM
ok, this is infuriating. I have no idea why we can';t get connected.

If we can't get things fixed by tomorrow evening, I'll forfeit. This is stupid, I have no problems with anyone else.

mpj31
08-08-2007, 12:13 AM
I get the same thing with him everytime. Baruda create a new mii.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-08-2007, 12:20 AM
Si, great games! We're you letting me tie it up? ;)

Nope. You came out of nowhere, got me completely off guard. Great games, seriously that was tight. I was literally shitting myself. I do hav a rep to maintain y'know?:D

bardiya27
08-08-2007, 12:43 AM
I couldnt connect with you or Koopa, but I've been able to connect with everyone else fine. I've been getting randomly during ranked games also. Anyone can help?

The error I get is 86070 "Disconnected from network during transmision"

daroga
08-08-2007, 12:47 AM
Nope. You came out of nowhere, got me completely off guard. Great games, seriously that was tight. I was literally shitting myself. I do hav a rep to maintain y'know?:Dhehe, true. That's why I let you win. Riiiiight.... ;)

EXStrike
08-08-2007, 01:04 AM
Great games EX. It definitely could have gone either way and you trounced me that 2nd game so bad - I didn't know what hit me.

Goal in the last five seconds throws me for a loop.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 02:01 AM
Umm... wow. Is it too late to forfeit the tournament? Enjoy your CAG tournament title, Si!

Can't keep playing, gotta add all these damn friend codes. Maybe later on.

Sorry for cancelling all those invites, friend codes are serious business. :lol:
And now you know why I assumed you hated me for matching me up with him in the first round. :lol:

Strell
08-08-2007, 04:59 AM
Got this game today, took it for a test run with my nephew and his friends. Game is incredibly awesome. Cannot wait to play some of you guys online.

panasonic
08-08-2007, 06:47 AM
argh this is such a pain. Ok gonna update this post with my friends code soon:cold:

171 906 012043


^^^^ my friend code :D add me and then tell me with your code

seanr1221
08-08-2007, 09:07 AM
Egad, I just noticed this tournament business was going on. Spaz, want to try and play our game today?

daroga
08-08-2007, 09:45 AM
When does the second round need to be completed? Between my move and bardiya's technical problems I'm thinking we might not get it done till next week sometime, if we can ever get connected at all.

botticus
08-08-2007, 09:57 AM
When does the second round need to be completed? Between my move and bardiya's technical problems I'm thinking we might not get it done till next week sometime, if we can ever get connected at all.Won't know for sure until the first round is completed, but at this rate, the hard stop probably won't be till the 18th (full week following the full week for the first round if it goes that long).

daroga
08-08-2007, 10:00 AM
Won't know for sure until the first round is completed, but at this rate, the hard stop probably won't be till the 18th (full week following the full week for the first round if it goes that long).Ah, ok, that'll be doable I think :) Assuming the technical difficulties get ironed out.

ArthurDigbySellers
08-08-2007, 11:01 AM
Just went online, and it seems I only have three friends. I guess no one loves me. :[

I think you were one of the more recent additions so people probably haven't added you yet. I just went through the list last night and added all of the "new" FCs. There were 9 more FCs since I last entered them!

I also got online when you sent that message out last night but I didn't see you.

ArthurDigbySellers
08-08-2007, 11:04 AM
ok, this is infuriating. I have no idea why we can';t get connected.

If we can't get things fixed by tomorrow evening, I'll forfeit. This is stupid, I have no problems with anyone else.

EXStrike and I had the same type of problem the first two times we tried to play our match last night. The game would just completely freeze and then we would get the "Connection Lost" message. I would still be logged into WFC but EX would be gone.

On the third attempt, the connection lasted the entire game, although a couple times in the 3rd game it got a little freaky and I was worried it was going to die. As close as our games were, I was praying we wouldn't lose a connection.

ArthurDigbySellers
08-08-2007, 11:14 AM
I couldnt connect with you or Koopa, but I've been able to connect with everyone else fine. I've been getting randomly during ranked games also. Anyone can help?

The error I get is 86070 "Disconnected from network during transmision"

Found this on the Nintendo forums but not in the actual error code database (I think it is jacked at the moment).

This particular error is typically caused by a firewall interfering with a successful connection to the Nintendo WFC. Please read the following information.

Do you receive this error every time you try and connect?
If you receive this error every time, please proceed to step #2 on this page.
If you receive this error only when playing a particular friend, then it is likely a problem with the friend's firewall settings on their connection. If possible, recommend to your friend that they visit the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection help area of http://support.nintendo.com for possible solutions.

Ensure your router has the latest firmware installed. Visit your router manufacturer?s website and look for any updated firmware that may be available (these are typically found under "downloads" or by searching for your particular model number). Contact your router manufacturer for additional assistance.


If the above information does not solve your problem, you may consider adjusting your router's Port Forwarding settings*. Each router is unique, so consult the owner's manual for your router or contact the manufacturer for specific information on working with your router's ports. For your information:
If you are prompted for a device or profile name, you can enter anything you like (such as Wii, etc.).
The starting port to open is 1, the ending port to open is 65535 (or as high as the router will allow).
Protocols will need to be set to UPD only.
Set the IP address for the ports to forward to the same as the DS's static IP that you assigned in the previous step on this page.
If you are still unable to connect, please call 1-800-255-3700 in the USA or Canada for more information.

EXStrike
08-08-2007, 11:16 AM
EXStrike and I had the same type of problem the first two times we tried to play our match last night. The game would just completely freeze and then we would get the "Connection Lost" message. I would still be logged into WFC but EX would be gone.

On the third attempt, the connection lasted the entire game, although a couple times in the 3rd game it got a little freaky and I was worried it was going to die. As close as our games were, I was praying we wouldn't lose a connection.

My connection crapped out again for a half hour to an hour right after our match ended. ;)

daroga
08-08-2007, 11:18 AM
Yeah, we could never even get connected. The connections would just die when the invties were sent. Something's messed up pretty severely on his end I think--he even tried a different Mii, rebotting all his internet stuff (and I mine) to no avail. The irony? He's using Nintendo's WiFi dongle.

js1
08-08-2007, 12:36 PM
I still have not heard from konicki465 I pm'ed him twice and posted here.It's been about 3 days since he last posted. He also has not added me to his friends list yet. How long do we have to wait before defaulting? I'm just in a hurry to play because I start school back up next week.

botticus
08-08-2007, 12:42 PM
I still have not heard from konicki465 I pm'ed him twice and posted here.It's been about 3 days since he last posted. He also has not added me to his friends list yet. How long do we have to wait before defaulting? I'm just in a hurry to play because I start school back up next week.Since you're looking at a second round match, it'll be a while before we default - you probably won't have anyone to play for a little while anyway. If you haven't heard back by the time the rest of the second round matches are complete, we'll give it to you.

Can't really default anytime soon since there are still 5 first round matches to complete.

js1
08-08-2007, 12:48 PM
Since you're looking at a second round match, it'll be a while before we default - you probably won't have anyone to play for a little while anyway. If you haven't heard back by the time the rest of the second round matches are complete, we'll give it to you.

Can't really default anytime soon since there are still 5 first round matches to complete.

Ok, thanks.

botticus
08-08-2007, 12:51 PM
We'll definitely have to run a tighter schedule for the next tournament if we do qualifying rounds... it would take months to finish at this rate.

lilboo
08-08-2007, 12:58 PM
yay my copy finally shipped and will be here in a few days!!

SpazX
08-08-2007, 01:00 PM
Has sean posted in here recently? I know I sure as hell haven't. I guess I'll PM him.

bardiya27
08-08-2007, 01:11 PM
i reinstalled the nintendo wfc software, and it looks like i might have fixed the problem

daroga
08-08-2007, 02:18 PM
i reinstalled the nintendo wfc software, and it looks like i might have fixed the problemAwesome, I'll be on and off admist packing today. PM me if you've got a time in mind to play. My schedule can be kinda flexible today (not really after today though).

CouRageouS
08-08-2007, 03:50 PM
..nevermind.. i was seeing things

mpj31
08-08-2007, 06:23 PM
Tybee where are you...2 days now I've been on and no match.

trip1eX
08-08-2007, 06:41 PM
PastaEater and I played our 1st round match tonight. I managed to eek out the win:


Scores (maybe not in the correct order: )

Game 1: trip1ex (1-0)
Game 2: PastaEater(2-1)
Game 3: trip1ex (1-0)

Tybee
08-08-2007, 07:07 PM
Tybee where are you...2 days now I've been on and no match.

I'll be on tonight for the foregone conclusion. ;)

No, this isn't trash talk.

mpj31
08-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Alright Si, three strikes your out. Next game your mine. lol

Everytime I try to connect with dannyboy i get d/c too. Whats up with that.

daroga
08-08-2007, 07:13 PM
Whew, bardiya just rocked me in our match. He won 2 games to none, 5-2 one game, 4-2 (?) the second.

bardiya27
08-08-2007, 07:14 PM
good game Daroga, you got me nervous when you went up 2-0 in the first game

here are the scores for the game between me and Daroga

Game 1: Bardiya (4-2)
Game 2: Bardiya (4-2)

if you guys keep on getting disconnected, just reinstall the WFC software

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-08-2007, 07:15 PM
Very good games d00d:applause:. A lot of fluke on both our parts I think but damn talk about down to the wire. God bless that Shy Guy!

I've been waiting for an hour and yukine hasn't shown up yet online at the time we were supposed to. I'll try again later I guess.

daroga
08-08-2007, 07:22 PM
So, here's a question based on my getting railed on the past 3 days on WiFi, is there way to control the lob passes better? Mine seem to always soar through the air, but that might be because I'm charging a lot? Does a non-charge lob stay lower or is it mainly which character is passing?

mpj31
08-08-2007, 07:27 PM
put some hammer bros on your team. The passes will make it to their destination easier.

snipegod
08-08-2007, 07:27 PM
Yeah, Koopa and I couldn't connect for a good while. Finally got a series going, though.

Good games.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 07:29 PM
So rewarding to lose game 1 and win the last two.

I've won my last three series, not counting one I had to disconnect from due to lag.

KhaosX
08-08-2007, 07:49 PM
Hi guys, I finally got my copy and ill be adding you guys soon. My FC is 403834 413542 and my Mii name is "X". For now im going to practice a bit on single player until i get the hang of the game. You can also put me down for the next tournament botticus, shame i had to miss the first one.

botticus
08-08-2007, 08:19 PM
Everything updated in the OP. Glad to see some good matches so far.

daroga
08-08-2007, 08:49 PM
Do we want to do a toliet bowl tournie? ;)

botticus
08-08-2007, 08:52 PM
Do we want to do a toliet bowl tournie? ;)Do I want to ask what that is?

daroga
08-08-2007, 08:56 PM
Do I want to ask what that is?Just the losers play each other, usually the ones who dropped out in the first two rounds I think.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 08:57 PM
I really hate the stadiums that screw with the game. I played one match that was really, really close... it capped your players in the beginning and after each score! It was crazy, though. First round was 4-4 and I won 5-4 in overtime, second round he beat me 2-1, and third round I won 2-1.

botticus
08-08-2007, 08:59 PM
I really hate the stadiums that screw with the game. I played one match that was really, really close... it capped your players in the beginning and after each score! It was crazy, though. First round was 4-4 and I won 5-4 in overtime, second round he beat me 2-1, and third round I won 2-1.I actually enjoy that stadium for the fun factor... very wide open play with lots of megastrike possibilities.

I was tempted to set up a loser's bracket, but I don't think the OP is designed well enough to make that easy right now.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 09:07 PM
I've been waiting for an hour and yukine hasn't shown up yet online at the time we were supposed to. I'll try again later I guess.
Uh dude, I'm on right now. We scheduled Pacific not Eastern time.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 09:09 PM
I actually enjoy that stadium for the fun factor... very wide open play with lots of megastrike possibilities.

Oh, it was fun, I just don't like it because I think it isn't really a fair matchup, skill-wise.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-08-2007, 09:14 PM
Uh dude, I'm on right now. We scheduled Pacific not Eastern time.

I didn't know that we scheduled pacific time. Sorry. I won't be able to get on for maybe 2 hours. If you are still on we'll play, if not then we'll reschedule and try again.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 09:17 PM
Yukine still isn't showing up as connected on my list, but it shows his name as not connected, so I know I got the code right.

Curious.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 09:19 PM
I didn't know that we scheduled pacific time. Sorry. I won't be able to get on for maybe 2 hours. If you are still on we'll play, if not then we'll reschedule and try again.

OK, so I'll be there at 7:00 Pacific.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 09:21 PM
Yukine still isn't showing up as connected on my list, but it shows his name as not connected, so I know I got the code right.

Curious.

Yeah, there's like 6 people on my list that are showing as not having added me. Not sure why that is.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-08-2007, 09:23 PM
^^^Nice avvy btw. Very nice. Sorry about any confusion.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 09:30 PM
I have a plethora of people showing they aren't my friends, but I suspect it's because they haven't added me. But I know you have, Yukine, which is why I'm curious about that. I think I might delete you and re-add later tonight.

Psst, add me if you haven't! I've added the whole OP! ;)

Tybee
08-08-2007, 10:01 PM
mp3,


I'm on now if you want to go.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 10:10 PM
mp3,


I'm on now if you want to go.

Good games, did you have a little bit of lag on your end?

Tybee
08-08-2007, 10:11 PM
gg yukine

Phone rang in the middle of that last match. heh

Yeah, it was a tad laggy, but not too bad.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 10:12 PM
gg yukine

Phone rang in the middle of that last match. heh

Yeah, I could tell you went AFK for a little bit so I stood there with the ball like a gentleman. ;)

wjhard63
08-08-2007, 10:30 PM
Anyone get past challenge 8 yet (th one with yoshi). I tried for a hour and a half today but got my ass kicked every time. Any suggestions?

I know that this was a couple pages back, but I had the some problem with Challenge 8 and just beat it tonight.

On strategy I used was, whenever I had the ball at kick-off, I went 45 degrees southeast and then went to the bottom of the screen on the half line. Usually Wario is the only defender on you and will allow you to take a four megastrike shot (sometimes five if he stops in his tracks completely before you start the megastrike). Since it takes a while for the Dry Bones to get to you from their position guarding the other players, you have the time for the quick megastrike.

Also, I lob passed a ton and seemed to get items quicker that way, especially when I was passing a fully charged ball.

After you score on Wario, just wait for him to deke and then steal and go into the egg (the ball stays with you) and head back to the bottom off the half line and when the dry bones are a 1/4 screen away or flattened go for the megastrike or just use the star into the m.s.

I've also heard a fully charged ball from the bottom of the imaginary quarterline (the line between the half and the goal) gets past Kritter regularly.

I hope that helps - good luck!

Tybee
08-08-2007, 10:30 PM
GG pastaeater (at least the first one) Did you get disconnected?

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 10:57 PM
I'm waiting for my match against Si (Legendaryhedgehog)... someone hold me... I'm scared.

daroga
08-08-2007, 11:08 PM
I'm waiting for my match against Si (Legendaryhedgehog)... someone hold me... I'm scared.I found weakeness when I played him! I almost won, twice! I'll let my secret out:

Get lucky goals to stay in the game.

botticus
08-08-2007, 11:11 PM
I found weakeness when I played him! I almost won, twice! I'll let my secret out:

Get lucky goals to stay in the game.:rofl:

I can only add: Don't worry... it's quick and then it's over.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 11:13 PM
Lots of CAGs on right now, hopefully we'll be able to get all the first round matches done for ya, botticus.

Tybee
08-08-2007, 11:16 PM
Nice match, Koopa. Congrats. I felt slightly less embarrassed this time, though I'm not sure why. ;)

Scores were 0-3 and 0-4.

mpj31
08-08-2007, 11:16 PM
Good Game. Did you see me when I shot into the green shell...the ball went flying across the field I didnt think it was ever going to come down.

Results:
Koopa (3) v Tybee (0)
Koopa (4) v Tybee (0)

By the way if we were playing who got the most hits you killed me like 41 to 7.

Yukine how many CAGs are on for you. I only have 3 others.


Wow I was just playing some guy with 0 - 0 record. I was beating him like 12-0 with 1:15 left. Then he quit :(.

js1
08-08-2007, 11:23 PM
I added all of the new people as of 8-8. There are still quit a few of you on the list who I have added but have not added me.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 11:28 PM
Bleh, gg Si. Too bad about the lag though.

seanr1221
08-08-2007, 11:29 PM
Great couple games with Spaz...I won both matches (2-1) and (3-0)

Rocko
08-08-2007, 11:32 PM
I have 7 CAGs as friends now, yay. Don't be shy, add me. I've added you if you're in the OP. ;)

I had a really good game with some dude online that was like 70-50. He won the first due to a megastrike putting him 1 ahead, but the last two games I won. He was very greedy, and always tried to charged his sidekicks to full to get their skill shots, so I was able to steal a lot. He also relied on Waluigi's wall move, but he waited to get the highest possible megastrike so I stole that too.

The only problem I'm having with my captain, Peach, is that I have no idea what her special is. I think it crushes opponenets, but it seems to choose an opponent at random. and usually my team with it. :/

ArthurDigbySellers
08-08-2007, 11:40 PM
I have 7 CAGs as friends now, yay. Don't be shy, add me. I've added you if you're in the OP. ;)

I had a really good game with some dude online that was like 70-50. He won the first due to a megastrike putting him 1 ahead, but the last two games I won. He was very greedy, and always tried to charged his sidekicks to full to get their skill shots, so I was able to steal a lot. He also relied on Waluigi's wall move, but he waited to get the highest possible megastrike so I stole that too.

The only problem I'm having with my captain, Peach, is that I have no idea what her special is. I think it crushes opponenets, but it seems to choose an opponent at random. and usually my team with it. :/

Peach's special is Freeze Frame which freezes anyone if they get caught in it. It has a pretty small area of effect and it doesn't seem to work all that well on top of that.

I just played online against someone using Petey. I didn't even know that was possible - I guess the dude won the Striker cup (or just downloaded someone's save online). Petey is a bitch and a half, let me tell you. He beat me 2-1 the first match, I came back and beat him 3-2 in SD in the second match. It was tied up 1-1 in the 3rd and then either we lost our connection or he disconnected. Crazy, crazy stuff.

mpj31
08-08-2007, 11:40 PM
Daroga did you have any lag? Good game but I was getting some major lag in the first and third game.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 11:45 PM
Peach's special is Freeze Frame which freezes anyone if they get caught in it. It has a pretty small area of effect and it doesn't seem to work all that well on top of that.

I just played online against someone using Petey. I didn't even know that was possible - I guess the dude won the Striker cup (or just downloaded someone's save online). Petey is a bitch and a half, let me tell you. He beat me 2-1 the first match, I came back and beat him 3-2 in SD in the second match. It was tied up 1-1 in the 3rd and then either we lost our connection or he disconnected. Crazy, crazy stuff.

So does it randomly freeze an area, or what? I thought it froze the ball carrier but that doesn't seem to be the case. A shame, since I enjoy using Peach but feel like I'm at a deficit since I have a mostly-useless special.

Unrelated, I haven't even beaten the fire cup since I've been so involved in online (and deleted my data so many times to choose a new team for single player), but Petey is still selectable as a captain for me online.

ratzombie
08-08-2007, 11:47 PM
So does it randomly freeze an area, or what? I thought it froze the ball carrier but that doesn't seem to be the case. A shame, since I enjoy using Peach but feel like I'm at a deficit since I have a mostly-useless special.

Unrelated, I haven't even beaten the fire cup since I've been so involved in online (and deleted my data so many times to choose a new team for single player), but Petey is still selectable as a captain for me online.

All the captains are unlocked for multiplayer online.

botticus
08-08-2007, 11:47 PM
Peach's special is Freeze Frame which freezes anyone if they get caught in it. It has a pretty small area of effect and it doesn't seem to work all that well on top of that.

I just played online against someone using Petey. I didn't even know that was possible - I guess the dude won the Striker cup (or just downloaded someone's save online). Petey is a bitch and a half, let me tell you. He beat me 2-1 the first match, I came back and beat him 3-2 in SD in the second match. It was tied up 1-1 in the 3rd and then either we lost our connection or he disconnected. Crazy, crazy stuff.Hmm... I have Petey in my list of captains, haven't tried to use him yet though. Not sure what I did to get him.

Rocko
08-08-2007, 11:58 PM
Damn, hammer spammers are infuriating. The whole match, the guy passed the hammer bros. and spammed his skill shot.

snipegod
08-09-2007, 12:03 AM
Damn, hammer spammers are infuriating. The whole match, the guy passed the hammer bros. and spammed his skill shot.

Defend against them! Time it!

mpj31
08-09-2007, 12:08 AM
Damn, hammer spammers are infuriating. The whole match, the guy passed the hammer bros. and spammed his skill shot.

I know how you feel. You know what I do? Score on them then get your fast player when u have the lead and just run around in ur zone and let them chase you.. I just did that to somone who was so cheap. Little taste of his own medicine. He also scored on himself using drybones.

Rocko
08-09-2007, 12:21 AM
I know how you feel. You know what I do? Score on them then get your fast player when u have the lead and just run around in ur zone and let them chase you.. I just did that to somone who was so cheap. Little taste of his own medicine. He also scored on himself using drybones.

:rofl: That's a great idea.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-09-2007, 12:22 AM
yukine, great games:applause: You were awesome, I couldnt stop the goals pouring in. I dunno what the hell the lag was, the only person using the wireless signal at home tonight was me. LOL did you see I think it was our 4th match at the end on sudden death, you lobbed a shot at my net and the ball sails over my fucktard goalies' head and lands behind him and starts rolling towards the goal line.

Instead of turning and picking it up, he throws himself backwards on his ass and flails in the balls' general direction as it rolls gently into the net. I was cracking up:lol:

Si vs yukine Round 1

Game 1: 2-1 winner yukine
Game 2: 5-1 winner Si
Game 3: 4-2 winner Si

Just for shits and giggles Series 2
Game 1: 3-2 winner yukine (thanks to asshat goalie)
Game 2: 5-1 winner Si (same score as above what the hell?)
Game 3: 3-2 winner Si

Great matches man that was a lot of fun.

Seriously I'm not that good. I've been lucky a lot of times, my defense sucks ass.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-09-2007, 12:23 AM
Damn, hammer spammers are infuriating. The whole match, the guy passed the hammer bros. and spammed his skill shot.

Easy. Run alongside them but not too close. After they toss the hammer down just slide in with a fast character, grab the ball, then run toward their goal and launch a skill shot before they can catch up.

Rocko
08-09-2007, 12:32 AM
you lobbed a shot at my net and the ball sails over my fucktard goalies' head and lands behind him and starts rolling towards the goal line.

Instead of turning and picking it up, he throws himself backwards on his ass and flails in the balls' general direction as it rolls gently into the net. I was cracking up:lol:

That happen to a guy I was playing online earlier. I hit a shot that hit the top of the goal, and his goalie walked to pick it up and ended up kicking it into his goal. :lol:

mpj31
08-09-2007, 12:55 AM
If theres any chance of taking the unbeatable Si down I need some training...Yukine I challenge you.

konicki465
08-09-2007, 01:17 AM
i have to get on tonight and play js1, or tomorrow, i havent had a chance to get online lately.

ratzombie
08-09-2007, 01:18 AM
He is on right now.

konicki465
08-09-2007, 01:19 AM
ok looks like ill try and jump on right now then

ratzombie
08-09-2007, 01:26 AM
GG js1, sorry for declining your other invites, but konicki needs to play you for the tourny.

plasmabeam
08-09-2007, 02:17 AM
Just got the game today, and DAMN it's fun. Also, DAMN I suck at online. I'm 0-18 so far. :-(

Any tips for some newb who can't score for his life?

By the way, how do you intercept/interfere with mid-air passes?

mpj31
08-09-2007, 02:37 AM
Just got the game today, and DAMN it's fun. Also, DAMN I suck at online. I'm 0-18 so far. :-(

Any tips for some newb who can't score for his life?

By the way, how do you intercept/interfere with mid-air passes?

Press A a ton of times when they lob it in the air. Hope to get lucky.

For your other question... Id suggest using lop passes. Put two good passers on your team. Have them pass in the backfield. Have a shooter up in other defenders zone. Lob pass it to him with a good passer when the ball is white (after being charged in the backfield) and do a one timer. This is the best way to score without being cheap.

EXStrike
08-09-2007, 02:50 AM
Lob passes are one of your best friends, especially if you can get a bunch of them off easily, if only to charge the ball for a better shot.

Another thing to do is charge shots, but only charge them enough to get an item--let go of B while the blue ring is there, and you'll get an item, and a pretty decent shot, because the ball has been charged. Quicker release than a skillshot too.

js1
08-09-2007, 03:07 AM
GG js1, sorry for declining your other invites, but konicki needs to play you for the tourny.

GG also. I thought you were trying to be a jerk!;) by declining my invites. I should have checked my friends list instead of playing ranked games. I will play him tomorrow for sure.

bardiya27
08-09-2007, 07:21 AM
Hey Si, who do you use?

daroga
08-09-2007, 08:26 AM
So, on the little grid of sidekicks, where is the best place to put the passers? The two up front ones? With a defensive guy a the back?

ratzombie
08-09-2007, 09:09 AM
You probably don't want to take advice from me, since I'm not all that great. But I personally put a defensive sidekick in the back, and then a speed passer in the front, and a good shooter in the front as well.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-09-2007, 09:35 AM
Hey Si, who do you use?

For now I have

Shy Guy Birdo+Drybones
Mario

I'd like to have a power captain but god I just hate DK so much and his walnut whip head.

botticus
08-09-2007, 10:33 AM
I know Spaz and Sean will get their match done soon; shadowhawk/snipegod? You guys set up a time yet?

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 11:16 AM
I'd like to have a power captain but god I just hate DK so much and his walnut whip head.

I feel the same way about DK, especially since in my first and only online match yesterday, i got my butt whipped by him badly (why the heck they match a 0-0 with a 70-60 i dont know). I've gotten to the point where i let me captain be the playmaker instead, and let my power partners shine.

ArthurDigbySellers
08-09-2007, 11:17 AM
I swear I am not very perceptive when it comes to the options on this game. I've never noticed Petey was a playable captain online (I've never run into him until last night), and I never noticed the second option screen when you are creating a friend match - the screen that allows you to add cheats in.

I also encountered my first Daisy player last night which sucked since she is the only captain I ever use. I went with Waluigi instead and got hammered.

Tybee
08-09-2007, 11:18 AM
Good Game. Did you see me when I shot into the green shell...the ball went flying across the field I didnt think it was ever going to come down.

lol...I missed that. I did enjoy when you powered that shot in and it hit the post and dropped directly on the goal line and ALMOST trickled in before my goalie wandered back and picked it up. I considered that a personal victory. lol

By the way if we were playing who got the most hits you killed me like 41 to 7.

Yeah, my defense is much improved. I can smack people all over the field. It's my offense that's still in the toilet. :cry:

Tybee
08-09-2007, 11:22 AM
I just played online against someone using Petey. I didn't even know that was possible - I guess the dude won the Striker cup (or just downloaded someone's save online). Petey is a bitch and a half, let me tell you. He beat me 2-1 the first match, I came back and beat him 3-2 in SD in the second match. It was tied up 1-1 in the 3rd and then either we lost our connection or he disconnected. Crazy, crazy stuff.

Yeah, yukine used Petey against me last night, which was the first time I'd seen him in action. He's awesome. His music is reggae, which makes me want to unlock him so bad. His special move is pretty decent as well, spitting brown goo all over the place that slows everyone who touches it. Also like his Mega Shot cutscene.....which I got to see several times. ;)

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 11:24 AM
Quick question about items since the tutorial didnt help. What other ways are there to get an item other than charging the ball and shooting before a skillshot? And are captain specials considered items?

EXStrike
08-09-2007, 11:31 AM
Getting hit without having the ball. And yes, captain's specials are items.

botticus
08-09-2007, 11:32 AM
Quick question about items since the tutorial didnt help. What other ways are there to get an item other than charging the ball and shooting before a skillshot? And are captain specials considered items?Getting hit by your opponent when you don't have the ball will get you an item as well.

ArthurDigbySellers
08-09-2007, 12:19 PM
Also, you'll know when you have your captain's special because the crowd will start chanting your name. I have a bad habit of completely ignoring the items that I have in reserve.

You can also switch between items by shaking the nunchuk if you have more than one. Doesn't come in handy too often for me, but if you wanted to launch items in a certain order, that's how you can do it.

botticus
08-09-2007, 12:31 PM
I never feel like I have time to pay attention to what items I have, so I end up rarely using them or my special.

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 12:31 PM
Also, you'll know when you have your captain's special because the crowd will start chanting your name. I have a bad habit of completely ignoring the items that I have in reserve.

You can also switch between items by shaking the nunchuk if you have more than one. Doesn't come in handy too often for me, but if you wanted to launch items in a certain order, that's how you can do it.

Didnt know about the chanting thing at all, I thought it was just an indicator saying you were kicking ass or something like SSB. And yea, i also have a that habit of ignoring items. I honestly think the game would be more fun without them sometimes.

seanr1221
08-09-2007, 01:46 PM
Botticus, did you miss my post where I won my tournament match?

ArthurDigbySellers
08-09-2007, 01:51 PM
I never feel like I have time to pay attention to what items I have, so I end up rarely using them or my special.

I have started to pay a lot more attention to them since they have actually helped me win a few matches that have come down to the wire. Having a shell handy to flatten a defender in a one-on-one situation can be a lifesaver - allowing a Mega Strike or at least a charged up shot.

The cool thing is that they can be unleashed at any time so you can lob a pass to one of your players, hit C as the ball is coming down, and your player will fire off the item and then catch the pass.

snipegod
08-09-2007, 02:03 PM
I know Spaz and Sean will get their match done soon; shadowhawk/snipegod? You guys set up a time yet?


We're trying to get a match going tonight.

botticus
08-09-2007, 02:20 PM
Botticus, did you miss my post where I won my tournament match?I did indeed.

WiiGame
08-09-2007, 02:46 PM
i finally got the game that i preordered in july. damn snail mail took forever

Tybee
08-09-2007, 02:58 PM
Also, you'll know when you have your captain's special because the crowd will start chanting your name. I have a bad habit of completely ignoring the items that I have in reserve.

You can also switch between items by shaking the nunchuk if you have more than one. Doesn't come in handy too often for me, but if you wanted to launch items in a certain order, that's how you can do it.
Wow...I didn't know either of those. The chanting thing is cool. I really like the way they designed that.

Thanks!

ArthurDigbySellers
08-09-2007, 03:20 PM
Wow...I didn't know either of those. The chanting thing is cool. I really like the way they designed that.

Thanks!

Listening to the chanting can really come in handy, especially for someone like Wario who can completely jack your team with that fart attack. Whenever I am playing against him and the crowd starts chanting his name, he becomes slam tackle target #1.

snipegod
08-09-2007, 06:32 PM
The series between Suman and I went to OT both games. He's a great competitor; had me scared many times! Good games, man.

4-3 / SnipeGod wins.
3-2 / SnipeGod wins.

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 07:03 PM
I just got home from work, and ill be adding everyone whos on the OP list. If anyone is up for a game right now, let me know.

WiiGame
08-09-2007, 07:13 PM
I just got home from work, and ill be adding everyone whos on the OP list. If anyone is up for a game right now, let me know.

i would but i'd just be adding another loss for myself...lol. i just got the game today and went through the Strikers 101 thing and went straight online.

i got owned like 7-0 in all of them. well except in my last one. i got lucky and got a few superstars and came back to tie it 7-7 but lost in sudden death.

it was fun as hell though so i'm going to practce some before i go back into the cruel world so this time i can do some ownage

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 07:16 PM
hey dont worry about it. I just got the game yesterday so im in the same boat as you.

jbuck138
08-09-2007, 07:40 PM
My wireless signal is strong, but I have not been able to play a game online yet. I have tried about 10 times with random players and there is a lot of lag and the connection gets lost. It always has 4 stars when I accept. Any ideas?

ratzombie
08-09-2007, 08:10 PM
I'm really starting to like using Wario, when his super power is queued up the crowds chant is awesome.

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 08:21 PM
hmm thats wierd, how long is it suppost to take a friend to register? It still says 0 of 0 friends.

SpazX
08-09-2007, 08:38 PM
My wireless signal is strong, but I have not been able to play a game online yet. I have tried about 10 times with random players and there is a lot of lag and the connection gets lost. It always has 4 stars when I accept. Any ideas?

Mine has been 4 stars and still jumpy with some of my matches. I dunno if it's on their end or mine since my brother hogs the bandwidth sometimes.

I guess make sure you're not uploading a lot while playing online (at least that's the problem with mine since I have cable and the downloading bandwidth is nearly impossible to max out, but the uploading is pretty limited). If your end is clear then I guess it's either a server problem or something else on your connection that you can't control.

ratzombie
08-09-2007, 08:44 PM
hmm thats wierd, how long is it suppost to take a friend to register? It still says 0 of 0 friends.
It usually takes a few minutes to update for me, it'll refresh and convert the friend code to their actual Mii name.

botticus
08-09-2007, 08:54 PM
First round is complete, congrats to those advancing. The second round has been assigned a hard stop of 8/15. Hopefully that will be doable since three of the matches have already been completed.

seanr1221
08-09-2007, 08:57 PM
I'm playing a Dad? :lol:

Staind204
08-09-2007, 09:04 PM
I was playing today and the guy won the first game. I took the 2nd match, then on the final one I scored with 8 seconds left to win by 1. Next thing I know "connection lost." Awesome.

KhaosX
08-09-2007, 10:40 PM
I was playing today and the guy won the first game. I took the 2nd match, then on the final one I scored with 8 seconds left to win by 1. Next thing I know "connection lost." Awesome.

My 2nd game ever online, i delt with a hammer spammer. Luckily i read about it beforehand, and countered every single spam with daisy. Needless to say i dominated him the first game, and 5 seconds left in the 2nd game, connection lost...

Plinko
08-09-2007, 10:47 PM
Just had my first two games online--destroyed the first guy, got destroyed by the second guy. The second guy just kicked the ball around in the air forever and took shots when the ball got white. Guess I should learn how to do that.

As for the connection lost stuff, Nintendo should somehow work a way to figure out which connections are lost through bad connections and which are through power shutoffs and literally block those who quit for a week.

Rocko
08-09-2007, 10:58 PM
Just had my first two games online--destroyed the first guy, got destroyed by the second guy. The second guy just kicked the ball around in the air forever and took shots when the ball got white. Guess I should learn how to do that.

As for the connection lost stuff, Nintendo should somehow work a way to figure out which connections are lost through bad connections and which are through power shutoffs and literally block those who quit for a week.
Solution, turn off your modem/router to simulate a power outage.

Also, that would punish people who disconnect due to lag. Not good.

ep2011
08-09-2007, 11:19 PM
They need to do something though. The disconnects are so frequent and annoying. It's always when I'm creaming someone...

wjhard63
08-09-2007, 11:34 PM
Added Panasonic and Khaos, so I should have everyone who's on the OP.

Please add me if you haven't - it will be an easy win!

ArthurDigbySellers
08-09-2007, 11:39 PM
They need to do something though. The disconnects are so frequent and annoying. It's always when I'm creaming someone...

You should get the win for the disconnect if you were winning, regardless of the situation.

The people that annoy me the most online aren't the disconnectors - they're punks so who wants to play them anyway - it's the replay watchers. I don't want to sit through a fucking minute replay of a match I just lost, I want to play the next round or play another competitor. Unless you're going to the kitchen to get a sammich, hit the fucking A button!

Sorry, just got owned in a match online and I'm venting a little.

ratzombie
08-10-2007, 12:01 AM
I only let the replay fully play if the guy was being cheap.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-10-2007, 12:05 AM
You should get the win for the disconnect if you were winning, regardless of the situation.

The people that annoy me the most online aren't the disconnectors - they're punks so who wants to play them anyway - it's the replay watchers. I don't want to sit through a fucking minute replay of a match I just lost, I want to play the next round or play another competitor. Unless you're going to the kitchen to get a sammich, hit the fucking A button!

Sorry, just got owned in a match online and I'm venting a little.

Lebowsky vs Legendaryhedgehog06
Game 1: 6-2 Winner Legendaryhedgehog06
Game 2: 3-1 Winner Legendaryhedgehog06

If you are talking about our match, my apologies. I also hate replay lovers, someone was at the door and I didn't want to quit in the middle of our series. Luckily it was just a wrong house dealie, and in fairness it was only the end replays of one match.

Good games d00d.:applause:

KhaosX
08-10-2007, 12:09 AM
Few games in i started noticing the replay thing too, way too annoying. I always skip my replay goals unless i either missed it, or it was just an unbelievable shot.

Update my question about FC. Its still showing as 0-0 of friends connected. Now im no rocket scientist here but if i added all, and at least X amount of people added me back, shouldnt it at least say 0 of X friends connected if by chance noone was on?

plasmabeam
08-10-2007, 02:09 AM
After starting my online career 0-20, I cleaned up tonight and finished my next 13 matches as 7-6. A little patience, a little technique, and now I'm having a blast online. :lol:

Btw I love Koopa. The big gray shell is so reliable.

Sir_Fragalot
08-10-2007, 03:49 AM
I played some online for 30 minutes today, I am trying to figure out if my home wireless connection if fucked or what. The one game the guy was lagging like crazty but it said 4 stars... got creamed there because of the horrible lag.

The other game was so awesome, we both won a game, but the last game he made 2 of the most bullshit shots the ones where you lob them (like the lo passes in the air) in after the room tilts in my direction so the goalie can't catch them. I was down 3-0 but within the last 10 seconds I pulled a mega mario and a 6 shot megastrike 4 went in and I won.

Oh and I also defeated hitler today :lol:.

Love the online, except it can be very cheap sometimes.

bardiya27
08-10-2007, 07:30 AM
I beat a top 10 player today! J Cruz, his record was 250something wins - 70something losses.

He trounced me in the first game thanks to a perfect mega strike, he won 9-4.
The second game was close, and I pulled away in the end to win the game 5-4.
And in the third game I won 2-0, the first goal was an own goal, it was hilarious!


Hahaha, im loving this game.

daroga
08-10-2007, 10:23 AM
The people that annoy me the most online aren't the disconnectors - they're punks so who wants to play them anyway - it's the replay watchers. I don't want to sit through a fucking minute replay of a match I just lost, I want to play the next round or play another competitor. Unless you're going to the kitchen to get a sammich, hit the fucking A button!QFT!

I never, ever watch the replays online even if I did something cool. The exception to that is if I was really confused on how a goal made it in, but that happens once in a blue moon.

In-game replays and end-of-game replays get skipped as fast as they load. Not doing that at best wastes my time, and at worst, rubs it in my face that I suck ;)

ArthurDigbySellers
08-10-2007, 10:31 AM
Lebowsky vs Legendaryhedgehog06
Game 1: 6-2 Winner Legendaryhedgehog06
Game 2: 3-1 Winner Legendaryhedgehog06

If you are talking about our match, my apologies. I also hate replay lovers, someone was at the door and I didn't want to quit in the middle of our series. Luckily it was just a wrong house dealie, and in fairness it was only the end replays of one match.

Good games d00d.:applause:

LOL, no it wasn't our game that I was talking about. Like you said, it was only one replay that you did. It was a ranked match I played after that. The guy creamed me with DK and let every replay play after every goal and at the end of each match.


I was already frustrated because I could do nothing to stop him (lob, lob, charged ball, DK goal), and the constant replay watching just added insult to injury.

I did have fun playing you. That first match was painful. I think you got off 3 freaking Mega Strikes on me. Each time my dude was like inches from Mario before you kicked it off.

I think I need to rethink Daisy as my captain. I love her speed and her D, but her passing sucks (which I just realized last night) and her shooting is abysmal. I have a bad habit of taking a shot with her when the ball is semi-charged - knowing that there is no way in hell it is going to go in.

And in the third game I won 2-0, the first goal was an own goal, it was hilarious!

I had someone do that the other night. He had Toad and for some strange reason, jumped his own goalie into his own goal. Either he got confused or hit the d-pad on accident. I never did figure it out but it helped me go into sudden death with him.

Plinko
08-10-2007, 01:05 PM
Had 2 great games with someone online just now and split them one a piece, so naturally the 3rd game he starts hammer spamming the crap out of me.

Anyone have any advice for defending against people who do nothing but lob the ball in the air for a minute at a time? Both times I've been legitimately beaten it is because of this type of offense.

KhaosX
08-10-2007, 01:26 PM
From what ive read so far, try to get near the circle where he is lobbing to and Z+A to intercept it. What I like to do is take control of my defender, keep an eye on any of his attackers on your side of the field, and when he lobs one to them, tackle him before he can catch it.

bardiya27
08-10-2007, 03:11 PM
What was funny about the own goal was the fact that he lobbed it back with dry bones right by my goalie, and the ball just slowly rolled in his goal, hahahaha

daroga
08-10-2007, 08:43 PM
Wow, what a great round online!

Played someone and got beat 4-1 in the first game.

The next game it was 1-1 at the end of regulation. We went back and forth for a long time (8:44 was the final game clock). He had no less than 2 failed Hammer Bros. skillshots; I ended up winning that game with a miracle shot from DK far away from the goal.

The last game was great as well. I was up 3-2 near the end, then some sort of craziness happened. The thowps and are spastic passing sent the ball all over the place. It ended up with an accidental lob shot by drybones on my part that just flipped over the goalie's head and dinked in. I won 4-2.

I'm not sure we could've been more equal in skill. That was a lot of fun :)

KhaosX
08-10-2007, 08:55 PM
Update my question about FC. Its still showing as 0-0 of friends connected. Now im no rocket scientist here but if i added all, and at least X amount of people added me back, shouldnt it at least say 0 of X friends connected if by chance noone was on?
24 hours later, i now see 0 of 1, and i know more than 1 person added me back already. THe only person i see on my list is Jeffrie. Did i do something wrong?

ArthurDigbySellers
08-10-2007, 08:59 PM
I had a pretty memorable match today as well. The guy I was playing had a record of 0-0 but right off the bat I knew he had either had his stats reset from the new season or had created a new Mii b/c he knew what he was doing. He won the first match 2-1, I then won the second match 3-2 in SD (with a straight up goal from Daisy no less!).

The 3rd match was back and forth with no score until around the last minute of the game when I finally got a Birdo shot in. When he got the ball back after that score, I knew something was off because my players just weren't responding like they normally do. They would not go to the left at all, and movement in general was janky at best. Somehow I managed to hold him off with a boatload of lobbing and clearing, relying on my d-pad tackles to get me the ball back (they auto-home in on your opponent), and general dumb luck.

After the match I checked my Wiimote battery status. It was in the red. I'm so lucky it just didn't give out completely.

ArthurDigbySellers
08-10-2007, 09:02 PM
24 hours later, i now see 0 of 1, and i know more than 1 person added me back already. THe only person i see on my list is Jeffrie. Did i do something wrong?

You were one of the last additions to the list. I bet no one has added you yet. I am going to add you right now and let's see if I end up on your list.

KhaosX
08-10-2007, 09:05 PM
yea i know im a late addition, but two people already said they added me, neither the one i see as of now.

bardiya27
08-11-2007, 02:51 AM
i've added everyone in the OP, so if you haven't added me yet my FC is: 249214 828217

Rocko
08-11-2007, 02:57 AM
I'll go throguh and add new additions later. Haven't played in two days, I really should. I need to find a new captain, since I think having Peach, who has a shitty special, is a real deficit. I want a fast captain, though, since I rock Hammer Bros and Birdo at my front line, and I like to keep it balanced with Dry Bones defense and a quick captain. Not sure who to use, though, as I'm not really feeling Diddy Kong either, who has the same stats as Peach.

I should really play some 1 player. :lol:

whataboutbob?
08-11-2007, 03:06 AM
Dont have the game yet but gonna pick it up soon. Quick question: are the friend codes for Stikers specific to the Mii or specific for the copy of the game (like how you register stuff on nintendo.com)?

ep2011
08-11-2007, 10:33 AM
Dont have the game yet but gonna pick it up soon. Quick question: are the friend codes for Stikers specific to the Mii or specific for the copy of the game (like how you register stuff on nintendo.com)?

I think its the Mii, similarly to games like AC:WW on the ds how if you restart the game, you get a new #.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-11-2007, 11:07 AM
I just played todays top scorer Ronaldo. Cheap bastard. His team is 3x Dry Bones and Diddy. All he did was spam Dry Bone Shocker. I was winning 7-3 with a minute left in game 1, I got clear of his guys and was charging a mega strike and he disconnects. Cheap fucker. I hope he gets leprosy from eating out his mama.

snipegod
08-11-2007, 11:27 AM
I just played todays top scorer Ronaldo. Cheap bastard. His team is 3x Dry Bones and Diddy. All he did was spam Dry Bone Shocker.

What else could he do with that team? It'd be a mostly waste of time trying to charge a ball and get a score from either Drybones or Diddy. Tackle, Tackle, Tackle, skillshot/megastrike is really the only viable play style with a team like that.

Ecofreak
08-11-2007, 11:32 AM
I just played todays top scorer Ronaldo. Cheap bastard. His team is 3x Dry Bones and Diddy. All he did was spam Dry Bone Shocker. I was winning 7-3 with a minute left in game 1, I got clear of his guys and was charging a mega strike and he disconnects. Cheap fucker. I hope he gets leprosy from eating out his mama.

It's a moral victory and I for one salute you!

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-11-2007, 03:11 PM
What else could he do with that team? It'd be a mostly waste of time trying to charge a ball and get a score from either Drybones or Diddy. Tackle, Tackle, Tackle, skillshot/megastrike is really the only viable play style with a team like that.

Yeah, I guess you're right. It really didn't do him any favors though as its a very easy tactic to crack, and when he would tackle every person on my team thanks to Dry Bones' high defense and give me an ass load of items it kind of works against him.

Rocko
08-11-2007, 03:14 PM
I was getting clsoe to top scorer last night at 4:30 AM since the day just reset. I won a series 2-0, and as it was laoding up the screen after the last game it said error to find stats, and I reconnected and it didn't credit me with the two wins and about 35 points.

Boooo.

ratzombie
08-11-2007, 05:58 PM
yea i know im a late addition, but two people already said they added me, neither the one i see as of now.

Yeah, I have you added...

I wonder why some people just never show up as being added? I still have at least 10 CAGs or so that are shown as "Connecting" still.

bardiya27
08-11-2007, 06:11 PM
OMG Legendary! I also played Ronaldo last night!!

I won the first game 5-1, I was all happy to be responsible for one of his losses. The second game was close, but I pulled away in OT and won 2-1. And as soon as I scored he DC'd.

Full of dry bones, it was funny seeing miss his attempts at scoring with them.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-11-2007, 06:25 PM
OMG Legendary! I also played Ronaldo last night!!

I won the first game 5-1, I was all happy to be responsible for one of his losses. The second game was close, but I pulled away in OT and won 2-1. And as soon as I scored he DC'd.

Full of dry bones, it was funny seeing miss his attempts at scoring with them.

Sweet. Glad the lil punk got his ass handed to him by someone. I played someone else today with the same team and tactics as him but at least he didn't disconnect when he lost. It's sad really today I've had quite a few high ranked disconnectors, and yet n00bs with 7 losses and no wins have stayed on through 14-0 and 10-1 hammerings. It sucks that you can only get a max of 10 goal points but I guess it stops cheaters.

Rocko
08-11-2007, 06:26 PM
Had two really cheap losses today, game lagged out while I was defending a megastrike so it gave him like three goals. This happens twice. Puts a real damper on the game.

ratzombie
08-11-2007, 06:28 PM
I've noticed that the top ladder players are not all that great and are often sore losers.

Legendaryhedgehog06
08-11-2007, 06:29 PM
I've noticed that the top ladder players are not all that great and are often sore losers.

QFT

lilboo
08-11-2007, 08:48 PM
I just got this yesterday.. been playing this a lot today. I'll add my FC and add people sometime later on.

I really do like it..but I did one match with my friend against 2 other people..we got killed.

Anyone have some basic pointers? We noticed he was doing a lot of rebound shots? He also seemed to be making charged shots a lot quicker. Basically--Any good quick advice for this game? :) Some of you had this game for like 2 weeks or so by now. So, c'mon. Gimme some pointers :D

UPDATE: Here is my friend code. 030172 514684
So far, I've added: Botticus, CouRageous, Daroga, Ep2011, EXStrike, Io, Lebowsky, seanr1221 , and Yukine. I got bored after awhile so I stopped lmao. But feel free to add me! I'll add you RIGHT BACK!!

So c'mon. Add me :D

js1
08-12-2007, 12:52 AM
konicki465 i'm on right now if you want to play.

io
08-12-2007, 12:56 AM
Had two really cheap losses today, game lagged out while I was defending a megastrike so it gave him like three goals. This happens twice. Puts a real damper on the game.

I had that happen in the few online games I've played - it pretty much has stopped me from playing online as it ruins games IMO. I really don't understand the lag on a megastrike as it should be running entirely on your system (the defending part that is). I could see lag effecting your ability to tackle someone before they get the strike off. But once you are defending it shouldn't make one lick of difference how good your connection is. It should run on your system and the your hand movement on the other guy's system could lag as it doesn't matter. In my last game I noticed the guy's strategy was to get quick little megastrikes off - the 3 shot ones with the slowest speed shots. In a CPU game I'd never let those through, but in the laggy online I would invariably miss all but the first one.

That's just bad coding is what that is... The goal defense should run crisp and clean on your own system

I think I may play this again to get the Crystal cup finished tonight. I'll try to add more people and maybe play a game or two if anyone is on.

Rocko
08-12-2007, 01:03 AM
I had that happen in the few online games I've played - it pretty much has stopped me from playing online as it ruins games IMO. I really don't understand the lag on a megastrike as it should be running entirely on your system (the defending part that is). I could see lag effecting your ability to tackle someone before they get the strike off. But once you are defending it shouldn't make one lick of difference how good your connection is. It should run on your system and the your hand movement on the other guy's system could lag as it doesn't matter. In my last game I noticed the guy's strategy was to get quick little megastrikes off - the 3 shot ones with the slowest speed shots. In a CPU game I'd never let those through, but in the laggy online I would invariably miss all but the first one.

That's just bad coding is what that is... The goal defense should run crisp and clean on your own system

I think I may play this again to get the Crystal cup finished tonight. I'll try to add more people and maybe play a game or two if anyone is on.

Indeed. I played the highest person I've seen yet, rank 600, and he used DK and did the same strategy- when I score, or when he's open, charge a shot off the bat and let it go, hoping for a special. Then use the special and pull off a megastrike. He did this over and over. I lagged out on one and gave him the game.

I have you added, but you haven't added my back, I don't believe. If you'd like to, I'd be up for a game.

I don't think botticus added me back either. I might go through later a delete the 20 or so people that haven't added me. I only have 9 friends. :/

botticus
08-12-2007, 01:08 AM
I added everyone before the last few days... might need to be on at the same time to truly sync up, hard to say. I think I had 15 connected last I logged on.

js1
08-12-2007, 01:11 AM
I added everyone before the last few days... might need to be on at the same time to truly sync up, hard to say. I think I had 15 connected last I logged on.

I have about 16-17 I am almost positive I have added everyone on the list and then some. It could be possible I missed somebody or they didn't add me yet.

lilboo
08-12-2007, 01:52 AM
I had that happen too! I thought I was crazy..but no, there was a bit of lag when I was trying to block the megastrikes!! Wasn't TOO bad..but still.

BTW, the Mii I'll be using is Tommy. Sorry I didn't say that before..so, yeah Botticus whenever you update the Op.. just throw that in :)

KhaosX
08-12-2007, 02:38 AM
Ok so now i see only 2 people, Js1 and Jeffrie. Im beginning to think you have to both be connected at the same time in order to get rid of the "connecting" thing.

Rocko
08-12-2007, 02:39 AM
Heh, just played a guy who tried to use the Dry Bones deke to get past my goalie, but apparantly didn't know how to do it right, since he never even charged the ball.

bardiya27
08-12-2007, 02:41 AM
going back to your post legendary. As soon as I score 10 goals+, in the last 30 secs i just let my opponent go off, and let him get some points in before the game ends.

CouRageouS
08-12-2007, 02:43 AM
I think its hilarious when that happens. Its a show off move, though easier to pull off than Toad's, and its great when the gator catches them. I like it when they go too far too and Dry Bones gets electricuted in the goal.

I haven't played in like a week but I have some down time tonight. I'll add everyone's FC who I missed, probably a lot by now.