I'm bored lets talk RPGs

[Roufuss]

^ Sorry about that. I know they're not made by WD. Just a goof.

Haha, it's ok, it caused me to go into a giant anti Working Designs rant though ;)

[kittycatgirl2k]

funny... Lunar is probably my favorite RPG of all time. A big reason for that was the translation. It made me want to talk to every npc just to see what kind of crazy thing they might say next. It may not have stayed true to the original script but it was entertaining. Like the guy in the tower...heh.. The characters were stereotypical but the game made me care about them which usually doesnt happen for most rpgs for me.

And yah I played all three versions, Sega CD/Playstation/GBA. The GBA one was translated and put out by a different company over here and really suffered for it. Dry and boring. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

[The Mana Knight]

What's the most sterotypical RPG you ever played? I'd say almost any older Working Designs RPG. Vay, Albert Odyessy, Lunar.Albert Odyssey, Lunar 1, and Lunar 2 are some of my favorite RPGs ever, which is part of the reason I use to like Working Designs published games a lot. Unfortunately, I had to let my copy of Albert Odyssey go to get an Xbox 360 (made $67 off ebay, when I only paid $25 for it) because my Sega Saturn deleted my save the 2nd time (due to the internal battery memory dying again), and there's no way I was ever going to be able to play the game again (too much other stuff to play to care about starting over, then losing my save again). I just couldn't find a 1st party backup ram anywhere for the longest time. As for Lunar, I loved the PS1 versions (never played them on Sega CD), but Lunar Legend was decent at best. One of the reasons I bought a DS was for Lunar Dragon Song where I was badly hoping the reviewers were wrong (I normally disagree with reviewers), but I ended up hating that game a lot and got rid of it as soon as I could (losing HP while running, not being able to target enemies in battle, and gaining either an item or experience in battle really killed it).

The SMT series is far from being stereotypical, that I agree with 100%.
Victor Ireland was such a hack, and he's the world's biggest whiner. Someone is always at fault other than himself, whether it's Sega, Sony, or someone completely different. I'm almost glad Working Designs is no more so he won't have any more scripts to butcher and any more games to put in publishing hell.

Now that we have companies like Atlus who do an awesome job translating and bringing out RPG's, there is no need for a hack job like Victor Ireland.

Imagine if SMT: Nocturne had jokes about President Bush in it... that's what Nocturne would be like if WD did it.I completely agree about Vic Ireland. There are some who feel SCEA is to blame due to anti-2D, but they allow NIS, Sega, Mastiff, Atlus, etc. to release 2D games on PS2. I remember one person from Atlus said the problem was him. Atlus said they had Soul Hackers (can't remember the name exactly) denied for release (they didn't start translating, they tried to see if they could bring it over), so they just picked up a different game and had no problems. That's all Vic had to do, or take a different approach to convincing SCEA, but all he wanted to do was whine and continue to work on a game that's been rejected. I thought the situation with Vic and Sega (with an E3 booth) was indeed stupid.

Vic isn't gone, he created a new publishing company named Gaijinworks
As the president of the now-defunct niche publisher Working Designs, Victor Ireland was prone to making headlines as much for his outspoken opinions as for his games. He's making headlines again as the Web site for his new project has surfaced, but there's little indication as to what exactly it has to do with games.

At the moment, Gaijinworks ("gaijin" is a Japanese term meaning "foreigner") contains nothing more than a gear-shaped logo and a webmaster e-mail address. Ireland told GameSpot that he should have "some game-related news" this summer, with the site going live in the late summer or early fall.

While there aren't any concrete details about exactly what Gaijinworks is or what it's working on, there are hints. Ireland said he would like to help bring Japanese Xbox 360 role-playing games to the US when he announced the death of Working Designs last year. On top of that, the meta tags (keywords that search engines look for on a site) on the Gaijinworks Web page include a number of telling terms, such as "japanese role-playing game," "xbox 360," "anime," "playstation," "import games," and "localization." They also include the phrases, "11 is over" and "one nation under games."
Link (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154707.html)

Gaijinworks site (http://www.gaijinworks.com/)

[Roufuss]

Honestly, with Victor Ireland's track record and history with games, why would any company allow him to bring anything over?

It's funny that they were supposed to have a games announcement in "late summer" yet it's almost winter and still nothing :rofl:

[Rodimus]

Albert Odyssey, Lunar 1, and Lunar 2 are some of my favorite RPGs ever, which is part of the reason I use to like Working Designs published games a lot. Unfortunately, I had to let my copy of Albert Odyssey go to get an Xbox 360 (made $67 off ebay, when I only paid $25 for it) because my Sega Saturn deleted my save the 2nd time (due to the internal battery memory dying again), and there's no way I was ever going to be able to play the game again (too much other stuff to play to care about starting over, then losing my save again). I just couldn't find a 1st party backup ram anywhere for the longest time. As for Lunar, I loved the PS1 versions (never played them on Sega CD), but Lunar Legend was decent at best. One of the reasons I bought a DS was for Lunar Dragon Song where I was badly hoping the reviewers were wrong (I normally disagree with reviewers), but I ended up hating that game a lot and got rid of it as soon as I could (losing HP while running, not being able to target enemies in battle, and gaining either an item or experience in battle really killed it).

Good job selling AO for $67. I bought my copy off eBay for $25 but it was disk only. I really liked the game, especially Gryzz the Dragon Samurai, pretty cool characters design. To bad he didn't have a major part in the story, and not so good dialouge.

And I just bought Lunar 2 (PS1) from eBay $30 but it's just the jewel case with games. None of the Omake stuff, but I don't need that crap to enjoy the game. I Just wanna beat it cause I never did. I think I started to play it, then dropped it to play FFIX or something big. Got rid of it and want it back.

Did you ever play Popful Mail? I'm trying to get a copy of that also, but I don't want to spend more than $30 for it. I never beat that one either.

[Mr. Anderson]

Grandia II, anybody?

[The Mana Knight]

Did you ever play Popful Mail? I'm trying to get a copy of that also, but I don't want to spend more than $30 for it. I never beat that one either.Nope. :( I never had a Sega CD to give the game a shot. My friend is trying to get me to buy his Sega CD and 32X for a great price, but it doesn't contain any of those rare games I want (like Popful Mail, Shining Force CD, Vay, both Lunars, etc.).

[spoo]

Nope. :( I never had a Sega CD to give the game a shot. My friend is trying to get me to buy his Sega CD and 32X for a great price, but it doesn't contain any of those rare games I want (like Popful Mail, Shining Force CD, Vay, both Lunars, etc.).
Popful Mail, SFCD, Popful Mail and Lunar are 5 of my favorite games of all time. It was a great time to be a RPG fan during the Sega CD days. Also this is why I was a WD fanboy I am not sure what Roufuss's beef is with WD.

Rodimus Popful Mail was a fun RPG/Platform hybrid with the best of WD humor.

[depascal22]

Man, I never got a Sega CD. Is it worth it to track one down? The last thing I need is another old school system. Everyone seems to love Lunar but I never liked the PS1 version. Any other RPGs that are must own for the Sega CD?

[Chacrana]

Man, I was busy this weekend. I only got about 2 hours to put into SMT Devil Summoner. Well anyway, I'm definitely impressed with the game so far and I'm relieved that the combat sytem turned out well. There's still a reasonable amount of strategy in the combat and the demon capturing system works as well as I hoped it would. The graphics are excellent and I think that using 2D backgrounds really paid off because there's a lot of detail present and the game also runs at a constant 60FPS. The music is typical SMT -- fantastic. I like the jazzier nature of the compositions since it really fits the game well.

There's really no doubt though -- this is a huge departure from the last SMT games... but I was pleasantly surprised by how well this game retains the SMT style. Even though the setting and the tone is completely different, it still somehow feels like an SMT game. The change that I probably like the most is the increased emphasis on dialogue. There's a lot of people to talk to now and the game seems like it's going to be more focused on story than something like Nocturne was (though I haven't gotten to the real start of the main storyline yet.)

Anyway, I have a test to study for this week but... eh... not so sure anymore.

[Apossum]

A significant sement of gamers greatly rejected Working Designs' tendency to interject humor, especially the juvenile and purile kind, into their games that was not present in the original Japanese releases of those titles.


sorry to go off topic but "sement" ...lol


Man, I never got a Sega CD. Is it worth it to track one down? The last thing I need is another old school system. Everyone seems to love Lunar but I never liked the PS1 version. Any other RPGs that are must own for the Sega CD?

people seem to like the elusive Panzer Dragoon Saga. If anybody here has played it, I'd like some opinions on it-- what makes it so good? is the rare factor overhyping it?

[cletus]

I was thinking about getting this Devil Summoner but what I was really interested in was Persona 3. Any word on when (if) it's coming out in America?

[62t]

In defend of WD, they only make an Americanize joke in the place of a Japanese pun joke that no one would get anyway or NPC that would normally not have anything interesting or important to say. Persoanlly I enjoy talking to NPC in WD games just to see if they have something intersting to say.

As for quality of translation, a person can read Japanese and played both version or Lunar 2 say the translation is mostly accurate. Remeber Working Designs was the one who fought to keep the Japanese names in Rayearth instead of the Americanize names from the anime distributor.

As for Atlus, back in their PSOne days they are not prefect either. In Persona 1 they gave American names instead of Japanese names, and change to skin color to make the main character more white. Also note that one key WD staff is now working for Atlus.

WD also put a lot of effort in the translation. For Growlanser Generations they added voice acting in part that doesnt have any voice in the Japanese verison. Many would not have done. Recent release like Megaman ZX and Tales games have voice acting removed without adding English voice. Victor Ireland wont let this happen if he is doing the translation.

Also WD isnt the only one who whinned. Camelot also got upset when Sega killed the the saturn when they are still making games. SNK-Playmore also ran into problem relasing 2d games and have to release them as a bundle.

WD as a company that only localize is different from Japanese publisher who has an american dividion like Atlus. WD also do the coding themselve, while Atlus USA would just to translate and send the script back to japan to be program by the Japanese team. WD also dont have the backing of Japanese parent company, something i am sure Atlus or SNK-Playmore can relied on.

My problem with WD is that they removed the code and made the game harder when the brought over Silhouette Mirage. However Silhouette Mirage isnt a RPG and the issue isnt translation.

[Rei no Otaku]

I was thinking about getting this Devil Summoner but what I was really interested in was Persona 3. Any word on when (if) it's coming out in America?
Persona 3 is coming early next year. Sometime in March.

[MarkMan]

Do you guys consider the metroidvania style Castlevania games RPGs? The are pretty much 2D action RPGs but they pretty much form their own genre I guess.

I have a crazy RPG backlog I need to get on... right now I'm trying to finish FF XII... after that I guess I'll go after Devil Summoner. I seriously can't wait for White Knight Story on PS3 and Blue Dragon for 360.

Before playing XII the last RPG I played was Dragon Quest VIII in October or something last year lol. (I play fighting games most of the time)...

[Rodimus]

For anyone playing Devil Summoner:

At level 33 and altough leveling up has slowed down, it's still pretty quick. For those that played Nocturne you most likely changed out your demons if they fell 10 levels below the protagonist's level. But in Devil Summoner I find myself changing demons very often since the protagnist levels up quicker (and it's easier to recruit them.) Maybe I should just relax and level up what I have first.

The game is surprisingly easier than other SMT games still. But it's fun non-the-less. Fusion still remains awsome.

[Chacrana]

For anyone playing Devil Summoner:

At level 33 and altough leveling up has slowed down, it's still pretty quick. For those that played Nocturne you most likely changed out your demons if they fell 10 levels below the protagonist's level. I find myself changing demons very often since the protagnist levels up quicker. Maybe I should just relax and level up what I have first.

The game is surprisingly easier than other SMT games still. But it's fun non-the-less. Fusion is remains awsome.

I'm still swamped with work so I only had about an hour to play today, but the game seems to be getting better and better... which is always a good thing. The game is easier than the typical SMT game, but I'm fine with that -- it still offers a reasonable challenge and most importantly, it's fun to play.

Anyway, how many hours in are you, Rodimus?

[Rodimus]

^ I'm 17 hours so far, at Chapter 4.

I love the demon design. Wait till you're able to get the car demon Oboro-somthing-or-other. Very cool.

[RelentlessRolento]

I know I'm outa the loop, but that RPG I was talking about near the biginning of this thread with the Caveman is actually "Live a Live"...

http://www.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1112569580-00.jpg

[Rei no Otaku]

I wish I had more time to play Devil Summoner. All I've been playing is Abyss. I'm about 20 hours into that, and the game is excellent. I like how Luke's character has changed, and Jade kicks ass.

I'm probably going to finish Abyss, then dive into some MegaTen goodness.

[Chacrana]

I wish I had more time to play Devil Summoner. All I've been playing is Abyss. I'm about 20 hours into that, and the game is excellent. I like how Luke's character has changed, and Jade kicks ass.

I'm probably going to finish Abyss, then dive into some MegaTen goodness.

How does Abyss compare to other Tales games so far? I can't wait to get to that game...

[Rei no Otaku]

The battle system is easily the best in the series. They took the system from Symphonia, and refined it. I think the free run was implemented perfectly. And the ally AI is great. Which is nice to have after Legendia, where I had to have the heal spell on shortcut since the characters never used it... Also they gave allies the ability to use items, and what's cool is they let you know beforehand and you can tell them no if you want. It cuts down on the times you have to pause the action to open a menu.

The story and characters are very interesting. Probably the best part being that the characters actually grow. Too many RPGs put the characters into their stereotype, and just leave them there. They change a lot in Abyss. Luke especially. Since when you begin the game he's possibly the biggest asshole I've ever seen.

So far it's my favorite in the series. Have to see what happens with the rest of the game. For all I know it could take a nosedive. I highly doubt it though.

[Chacrana]

Awesome. Good to know that there's yet another fantastic RPG for me to play. Being a big fan of the Tales series, I think I'll probably love the game.

[MadFlava]

The reviews for Final Fantasy 12 have been pretty good thus far. I have the collectors edition preordered. As excited as I am about getting it, I feel that the PS2 got kind of cheated out of a Final Fantasy. I don't think FF XI should have counted as a Final Fantasy because it broke away from the traditional FF game formula. FF XI should have been a off shoot game like FF Tactics and FF X-2. Plus because you needed the HDD, Network Adapter, and broadband, it wasn't very accessible to the general public. Still I look forward to the next FF at the end of the month.

[depascal22]

I don't like that XI was a proper number either but there's nothing we can do about it now.

Anyone else get into MMORPGs? I don't like the idea of paying a monthly fee to play a game I've already paid $50 for. My friends have been trying to get me to play Everquest and FFXI but I've resisted to this point.

[Roufuss]

Anyone else get into MMORPGs? I don't like the idea of paying a monthly fee to play a game I've already paid $50 for. My friends have been trying to get me to play Everquest and FFXI but I've resisted to this point.

The monthly fees are for maintence and because they keep adding in new stuff constantly that changes the flow of the game.

It's not like you're paying them a monthly fee and nothing is going on.

All of World of Warcraft's updates, at least when I played, were worth the money per month.

[depascal22]

The monthly fees are for maintence and because they keep adding in new stuff constantly that changes the flow of the game.

It's not like you're paying them a monthly fee and nothing is going on.

All of World of Warcraft's updates, at least when I played, were worth the money per month.

Oh, I'm not saying that they're not worth it. It's just not my bag and the added fees are just another knock against the genre for me. I just prefer gaming over Xbox Live since I'm already paying a fee to play that. That and I'm a solo gamer when it comes to RPG. I don't mind playing with a navigator watching with me but I don't like idea of going on a quest for an hour and getting to whatever boss and realizing half the party is eating dinner, taking out the trash, changing a diaper, etc.

[Apossum]

after playing the beta, $60 is just plain flurking stupid for PSU. Sega just said "oh, everyone else is charging $60, why don't we?" with no justification whatsoever. and a monthly fee to pour salt on the wound. I think I'll wait till the game hits $10.

[depascal22]

Another bad thing about PSU is that PS2 and PC players get to play together but 360 owners are out in their own little universe.

[Apossum]

Another bad thing about PSU is that PS2 and PC players get to play together but 360 owners are out in their own little universe.


yeah...and MS takes care of the server space, probably making the 360 version even cheaper to run.

I'm sending Sega a flaming bag of poo! :bomb:

[Chacrana]

after playing the beta, $60 is just plain flurking stupid for PSU. Sega just said "oh, everyone else is charging $60, why don't we?" with no justification whatsoever. and a monthly fee to pour salt on the wound. I think I'll wait till the game hits $10.

Shit, what's wrong with the game then? I didn't get a chance to play the beta, but I'm thinking about picking up the PC version... only if the Single Player is good though (still holding out hope.)

[JEKKI]

aw man I beat Shadow Hearts Covenant last nite.

I got both endings too...

it was sooooooo good!!

[Apossum]

Shit, what's wrong with the game then? I didn't get a chance to play the beta, but I'm thinking about picking up the PC version... only if the Single Player is good though (still holding out hope.)


all complaints about the "80s Miami Vice in Space" design aside, there isn't anything that wrong with the gameplay. it's that it's barely different from the original PSO. And from what I've seen, the environments in PSO are actually...better? There rooms in PSU were just drab space stations. I wasn't very impressed at all.

Even if there are more and better environments, I'd rather just play Blue Burst for $9 a month, without the $60 up front.

[depascal22]

I'm waiting on the price drop anyway. I've still got to play last year's RPGs before I get crazy with this years. Anyone else have a humongous backlog of RPGs?

[T234]

PS3's best RPG in development is a 360 port.

You said you were bored, I make you un-bored in one shot.

[Chacrana]

PS3's best RPG in development is a 360 port.

You said you were bored, I make you un-bored in one shot.

White Knight Story isn't a 360 port and neither is Final Fantasy XIII... if you're referring to Enchanted Arms, then you're an idiot.

And depascal, yeah, my backlog of RPGs is gross. Oh well.

Still slowly finding time for Devil Summoner.

[FriskyTanuki]

White Knight Story isn't a 360 port and neither is Final Fantasy XIII... if you're referring to Enchanted Arms, then you're an idiot.

And depascal, yeah, my backlog of RPGs is gross. Oh well.

Still slowly finding time for Devil Summoner.
I think he's refering to Oblivion, which is the big RPG title at launch, though not the only RPG available.

[Apossum]

PS3's best RPG in development is a 360 port.

You said you were bored, I make you un-bored in one shot.



I bet the PS3 version is better.

I personally found the 360 version to be very annoying to play...too much loading and FPS drops.

[Rodimus]

Finally got around to Devil Summoner again. It's one sexy game. :booty:

[T234]

White Knight Story isn't a 360 port and neither is Final Fantasy XIII... if you're referring to Enchanted Arms, then you're an idiot.

And depascal, yeah, my backlog of RPGs is gross. Oh well.

Still slowly finding time for Devil Summoner.
RPG's are not made in Japan, silly. ONLY CRAP WALKING, TALKING, AND MENU SELECTION SIMULATORS THAT PEOPLE STUPIDLY CALL RPGS ARE MADE IN JAPAN OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICES OF LEVEL 5.

Mass Effect, White Knight Story, and Rogue Galaxy all sit atop my most wanted list.

FriskyTanuki has it spot-on:D:D

[T234]

I bet the PS3 version is better.

I personally found the 360 version to be very annoying to play...too much loading and FPS drops.
Knowing Bethesda, it's likely to be very much the same.

[Apossum]

RPG's are not made in Japan, silly. ONLY CRAP WALKING, TALKING, AND MENU SELECTION SIMULATORS THAT PEOPLE STUPIDLY CALL RPGS ARE MADE IN JAPAN OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICES OF LEVEL 5.


....


*doesn't have the energy to deal with this*

[T234]

....


*doesn't have the energy to deal with this*
I'm just fucking with the people who do ignorant shit like dismiss all the RPG's made in a certain territory. I actually have a bigger backlog of JRPG's than anybody else in this thread by a hundred miles (135+ games in total!).

[depascal22]

I'm just fucking with the people who do ignorant shit like dismiss all the RPG's made in a certain territory. I actually have a bigger backlog of JRPG's than anybody else in this thread by a hundred miles (135+ games in total!).

Only ignorant thing I've heard so far is all the crap spewing out of your fucking piehole. Shut your mouth and know your place.

[Chacrana]

I'm just fucking with the people who do ignorant shit like dismiss all the RPG's made in a certain territory. I actually have a bigger backlog of JRPG's than anybody else in this thread by a hundred miles (135+ games in total!).

Yeeh! Fuck dem ignorant bitches. Shyyiiiiit. Fuck dem... throwin' up they shit in our territory. Dey gonna represent dey hood dey clique? Fuck dem real bitches.

You betta not go to Sain Luis else me and my gang will get you!!

[Rodimus]

I'm just fucking with the people who do ignorant shit like dismiss all the RPG's made in a certain territory. I actually have a bigger backlog of JRPG's than anybody else in this thread by a hundred miles (135+ games in total!).

I have a style I enjoying playing. American RPGs don't do it for me, but I won't discredit them. I'm sure they're fine games, but not for me (and trust me I've tried them). So yes, I "dismiss" them but only cause I don't enjoy the style, that doesn't make me ignorant.

[MarkMan]

I refer to JRPGs as regular RPGs, and whenever I get an American one I call it an "American RPG" lolol... But I love me some USA shit... like KOTOR I&II, Jade Empire, Fable, etc... and even though they aren't fitting the traditional console gaming RPG genre as we know it... I always loved Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra, King's Quest series of games(Can't wait for Silver Lining), among other classic PC games.

[depascal22]

So are those ARPGs?

[Chacrana]

So are those ARPGs?

Usually called CRPGs since... I think all of them are on the computer... IIRC, there's no CRPGs on the Xbox or 360 that aren't also on the PC.

[Chacrana]

I have a style I enjoying playing. American RPGs don't do it for me, but I won't discredit them. I'm sure they're fine games, but not for me (and trust me I've tried them). So yes, I "dismiss" them but only cause I don't enjoy the style, that doesn't make me ignorant.

I dismiss them in this thread since this is a discussion clearly focused on JRPGs (and really, what's come out on the CRPG front lately?) That said, I can't wait for Neverwinter Nights 2, Dark Messiah, and Gothic 3. They're definitely second to JRPGs for me though.

[Apossum]

I thought they were called "Western" RPGs.


I'm just fucking with the people who do ignorant shit like dismiss all the RPG's made in a certain territory. I actually have a bigger backlog of JRPG's than anybody else in this thread by a hundred miles (135+ games in total!).


well, nobody here is doing that, so why even bring it up? if you want a flame war, go in to a ps3 vs. wii thread. keep that shit out of our genre threads... next time we'll report you and have you banned.

and no, you don't receive a cookie for having a huge backlog.

[Chacrana]

Ah, you're right, Western RPGs is the term. I'm using archaic terms from the early 90's even though I didn't play computer games then. Speaking of which, the best game in the WRPG genre right now is Divine Divinity. Stupid name, but it's one of the best games I've played... it takes a giant shit on Diablo II and I mean it. Okay, fine, so there's no multiplayer, but you don't even need it with that game.

[Rodimus]

I dismiss them in this thread since this is a discussion clearly focused on JRPGs

I created this thread and I say ARPGs must be tollerated. They haven't been addressed as much yet (and I don't like them.) However this is an RPG thread and none shall be excluded.

P.S. Vote for me - :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Chacrana]

I created this thread and I say ARPGs must be tollerated. They haven't been addressed as much yet (and I don't like them.) However this is an RPG thread and none shall be excluded.

P.S. Vote for me - :applause: :applause: :applause:

All heil the man who's currently "not" playing Criticom! :lol:

[T234]

Only ignorant thing I've heard so far is all the crap spewing out of your fucking piehole. Shut your mouth and know your place.
I was disappointed there wasn't a second line in that post that called me a jabroni or told me what "the dapascal" was cooking. And then I would've pointed out that the shit I posted was pretty non-serious and that your seriousness meter was broke. And then you would've tried to turn a copy of Dragon Quest 8 sideways and stick it up my candy ass, not realizing that a copy of Shadow Hearts was already there.

But nooooo. I get this yelling from a guy who needs to stop and realize that he is talking to a man who used to have a drawing of Terra of FF6 tattooed on his aforementioned ass!:D:D

Lighten up dude.

[Apossum]

Don't Blame Me-- I Voted For Rodimus!



lets see-- i loved Kotor 1, couldn't stand Kotor 2 and JE (got sick of all the talking..if I want to be evil, I'll slay a whole town) and loved Diablo. Does Guild Wars count? well, there's my experience with WRpgs in a nut shell.

The new BioWare game looks interesting though.

[Chacrana]

I was disappointed there wasn't a second line in that post that called me a jabroni or told me what "the dapascal" was cooking. And then I would've pointed out that the shit I posted was pretty non-serious and that your seriousness meter was broke. And then you would've tried to turn a copy of Dragon Quest 8 sideways and stick it up my candy ass, not realizing that a copy of Shadow Hearts was already there.

But nooooo. I get this yelling from a guy who needs to stop and realize that he is talking to a man who used to have a drawing of Terra of FF6 tattooed on his aforementioned ass!:D:D

Lighten up dude.

Nobody cares if you're a fan of RPGs or how hardcore you are. You're an annoyance. Leave.

[T234]

I created this thread and I say ARPGs must be tollerated. They haven't been addressed as much yet (and I don't like them.) However this is an RPG thread and none shall be excluded.

P.S. Vote for me - :applause: :applause: :applause:
fucking christ guys, even the OP agrees with me for pete's sake. Tomorrow, when I get back to work, I'm gonna make the greatest love-in post ever exhalting the greatest RPG's of all the world. Across ALL territories.:):)

[T234]

Nobody cares if you're a fan of RPGs or how hardcore you are. You're an annoyance. Leave. Lighten up, Francis.
Edit: And with that, I'm out until high noon.

[Rei no Otaku]

Now, now. Lets stop the fighting. Let our love of large plots and stereotypical heroes bring us together in peace. There more than enough room for Western RPGs.

KOTOR is in my top 5 games of all time. It's an amazing game, and one I've beaten more times than I can remember. And it never gets old for me. I loved Jade Empire as well, and played a hell of a lot of Diablo 2 back in the day. Even the upcoming FFXII uses a battle system almost exactly like KOTOR's.

Anyone going to the midnight openings for FFXII? I have to work it so I'll be there. Though I requested that I do since I'm picking up the game anyway.

[MarkMan]

I'm gonna try to get a collector's edition at midnight here in San Diego. I'm hoping Brady sends me a LE guide X_X ...

The battle system in FF XII reminded me a lot of Final Fantasy XI, just a simple/streamlined version.

[Rodimus]

fucking christ guys, even the OP agrees with me for pete's sake.

I never said I agreed with you. Don't put words in my mouth. :shame:

Anyone going to the midnight openings for FFXII? I have to work it so I'll be there. Though I requested that I do since I'm picking up the game anyway.

I wont, only cause fanboys make my skin crawl.

[Rei no Otaku]

I wont, only cause fanboys make my skin crawl.
*touches you*

[willardhaven]

Are all Gamestop/EBgames opening at midnight, or just a select few?

On an unrelated note, what do you guys think of Wild ARMs 4 and Suikoden III?

[Chacrana]

*touches you*

You made his skin crawl!

Err... I'm not going to be at a midnight launch just because the Gamestop I preordered from isn't around here... gotta wait until Friday to get my copy of the game... having somebody pick it up for me so that Gamestop can't pull a "sorry, we like... sold yer LE lol."

[Rei no Otaku]

Are all Gamestop/EBgames opening at midnight, or just a select few?

On an unrelated note, what do you guys think of Wild ARMs 4 and Suikoden III?
It's up to the store. Just ask the next time you're in there. Most stores should be doing it though. They're really pushing this game. Hence the exclusive CE.

I loved WA4 and Suikoden 3. While I felt Suikoden 3 was the second worst in the series, I still liked it. As for WA4, I felt it was the best in that series. I really enjoyed it. It was just a bit too short.

[Chacrana]

Are all Gamestop/EBgames opening at midnight, or just a select few?

On an unrelated note, what do you guys think of Wild ARMs 4 and Suikoden III?

I really didn't dig what I played of Suikoden III. The combat system was absolutely terrible, the storyline wasn't particularly interesting, the characters were pretty dull, and the duck was stupid. Maybe my expectations were too high, but nothing stood out as being anything more than completely mediocre.

[Apossum]

won't be picking up FFXII for a few days after launch.

RPG game launches = crowd full of gamers = bad B.O. = smelly store = yuck

[Rodimus]

From Magic Box:
Konami's Suikoden producer Takahiro Saikymama mentioned that the development of Suikoden VI has already began, the game may have references to a previous Suikoden game

Probably the biggest Suikoden fan on this board. This is some good news for me.

[MarkMan]

Oh man. Final Fantasy XII was an awesome experience. Just viewed the ending. That is one amazing game! That ending was nuts.

I highly recc this game to everyone!

First FF game I've enjoyed since the 90s lol.

[coolcps]

Don't Blame Me-- I Voted For Rodimus!



lets see-- i loved Kotor 1, couldn't stand Kotor 2 and JE (got sick of all the talking..if I want to be evil, I'll slay a whole town) and loved Diablo. Does Guild Wars count? well, there's my experience with WRpgs in a nut shell.

The new BioWare game looks interesting though.


Oh man the talking in JE, its like why bother to play it if i have to get through all this talking. I kind of felt like that in KOTOR, but KOTOR was pretty awesome and had a sweet story. And I can take talking, beat both baldurs gates and expansions and IWD.

[T234]

My own personal top five:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/T-234/Fallout.jpg
1. Fallout
The only RPG to correctly do a post-apocalyptic wasteland justice (other than Fallout 2). It's combat, level design, and story have few rivals. Getting it to run well on a modern PC has been difficult.:cry:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/T-234/EternalArcadiaLimitedBox.jpg
(I don't own the limited box because I'm not rich. Or Japanese-speaking. This is the best image I could find.)
2. Eternal Arcadia/Skies of Arcadia
"A finer RPG on the Dreamcast you will not find." Truer words were never spoken by anyone attempting to talk like yoda. It's world was as if dropped by the heavens as a gift for putting up with absolute CRAP Dreamcast RPG's up until that point in time (If I've forgotten something good that came out, please let me know). I really like it's art too. It reminds me of a time when space marines had hair, Star Ocean was still sci-fi, and UK Basketball was still respectable.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/T-234/finalix.jpg
(I picked FF9 just because it's my favorite, but I love the whole series. Except for FF11, which was "solid, if not spectacular".)
3. The Non-Online parts of the Final Fantasy Series
Shit, there were good FF games on a Bandai system for pete's sake. But 11 great OFFLINE games later, I still want more. Not many series' can say the same.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/T-234/boxshot_us_large.jpg
4. Phantasy Star Series
The only game series that is equally as good online as offline. If there was such a thing as a CAG PSU360 clan I would join in a heartbeat. The offline Phantasy Stars are still very playable, even today.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/T-234/box_art-209.jpg vs http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/T-234/150px-Oblivionboxcover.jpg
5. Tie: TES3: Morrowind vs TES4: Oblivion
More interesting environments, longer questlines, and a better story versus fewer bugs, better graphics, and better combat. Decisions, decisions.

[Chacrana]

So... in Devil Summoner, where is Kirisuzaka (or whatever it's called) Bridge? I'm in chapter 2 and I'm mildly retarded, so I dunno where to look. :cry:

[Spades22]

I love FF9... :drool:

[T234]

I love FF9... :drool:
*high five*

[MarkMan]

FFIX and XII are my favorite Final Fantasy games... :)

But I'm partial to Dragon Quest.

[Chacrana]

FFIX and XII are my favorite Final Fantasy games... :)

But I'm partial to Dragon Quest.

Jeese, you must've really loved XII for it to become your favorite in the series already... I mean, you just finished that yesterday or something, right?

[T234]

FFIX and XII are my favorite Final Fantasy games... :)

But I'm partial to Dragon Quest.
Mine are IX and VI. I got XII preordered.

[MarkMan]

Jeese, you must've really loved XII for it to become your favorite in the series already... I mean, you just finished that yesterday or something, right?

I have to admit, it was really good. My top 5 is something like this for FF games:

IX
XII
VI
IV
VII or X ... interchangable lol.

[depascal22]

Am I the only one that liked FFVIII? I liked it much more than VII and IX.

[Chacrana]

Am I the only one that liked FFVIII? I liked it much more than VII and IX.

I loved 8, but it's definitely not what you'd expect from a Final Fantasy game which is why a lot of people hated it. I liked the complexity that the junction system brought to the table and I thought the storyline was really good. It's in my top 3 Final Fantasies, but I'm not sure exactly where in that top 3.

[Rodimus]

So... in Devil Summoner, where is Kirisuzaka (or whatever it's called) Bridge? I'm in chapter 2 and I'm mildly retarded, so I dunno where to look. :cry:

Is this the part where you're looking for the "Red Cape?"

[T234]

Am I the only one that liked FFVIII? I liked it much more than VII and IX.
*high fives you with my other hand because FF8 is great too*

I didn't play it until 2002 though. I still haven't beaten it, though.

[martin8me]

Do you guys play RPGs for the story? Just wondering...

[T234]

Do you guys play RPGs for the story? Just wondering...
Sometimes.

What do you call the benchmark for story in a RPG?

[Rodimus]

Do you guys play RPGs for the story? Just wondering...

It used to be that way, but not so much anymore since I haven't played a game with an awsome storyline since Tecmo Secret of the Stars:

http://www.juegomania.org/Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars/fotos/snes/2/2266_c/Caratula+Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars.jpg
Absolutly rirviting, the feel good RPG of the season

[Kawnhr]

Do you guys play RPGs for the story? Just wondering...

Characters takes priority over story, but yes. The originality of the gameplay is also a big factor, too.

[T234]

It used to be that way, but not so much anymore since I haven't played a game with an awsome storyline since Tecmo Secret of the Stars:

http://www.juegomania.org/Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars/fotos/snes/2/2266_c/Caratula+Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars.jpg
Absolutly rirviting, the feel good RPG of the season
*high fives you with my nuclear-mutated hand*

[Chacrana]

Is this the part where you're looking for the "Red Cape?"

Yeah. I figured it out though. Finally got to fight the car. That was cool and I can't wait to get that. I also got Jack Frost and found that I could fuse him with some other demon in order to get an Oni... and those guys were damn cool in Nocturne.

[SpikeSpiegel]

How is Tales of Abyss? Has it been discussed in this thread yet?

[Chacrana]

How is Tales of Abyss? Has it been discussed in this thread yet?

People love it. I don't think I've heard a single bad thing about it yet in this thread.

[VanillaGorilla]

I rented Wild Arms Alter Code F from Gameznflix. I've always been a fan of the series, and I have a neat story about Wild Arms. I bought it WAY back in the early PSOne days, along with another game, called Goldeneye. I remember thinking "Man, I hope this Goldeneye game is good, I KNOW Wild Arms is gonna be awesome." Anyways, the original holds a special place in my heart, since it played it during one of the best summers of my life, and I would sit in my room and play it while I listened to the 80's music radio station. I loved the game.

Anyways, I just fired up Alter Code F today, and although the game is certainly antiquated by todays standards, I think I'm gonna like it. I've always liked RPG's with a heavy emphasis on dungeon puzzles.

[Rei no Otaku]

How is Tales of Abyss? Has it been discussed in this thread yet?
You should be playing the game right now. It's great. The only bad thing I can say about it is that the load times for battles on the world map aren't short.

[Rodimus]

I rented Wild Arms Alter Code F from Gameznflix. I've always been a fan of the series, and I have a neat story about Wild Arms. I bought it WAY back in the early PSOne days, along with another game, called Goldeneye. I remember thinking "Man, I hope this Goldeneye game is good, I KNOW Wild Arms is gonna be awesome." Anyways, the original holds a special place in my heart, since it played it during one of the best summers of my life, and I would sit in my room and play it while I listened to the 80's music radio station. I loved the game.

Anyways, I just fired up Alter Code F today, and although the game is certainly antiquated by todays standards, I think I'm gonna like it. I've always liked RPG's with a heavy emphasis on dungeon puzzles.

I tried playing it a couple months ago (during the RPG dry season of summer.) And I didn't like it. The translation was boring. I played about 20 hours in and gave up. I wasn't having fun playing. But like you I also loved the orginal. From what I remember the PS1 version had more "charm." But hopefully you find it more enjoyable than I did.

Chacrana - Oboro-something (the car) was pretty cool, but I've out grown him and I got rid of him. I still have my Jack Frost, I'd hate to let him go, but I think I must since he's pretty useless now. Wait till you can get the flaming tiger. He's cool looking. The Oni is still badass also.

[Chacrana]

Chacrana - Oboro-something (the car) was pretty cool, but I've out grown him and I got rid of him. I still have my Jack Frost, I'd hate to let him go, but I think I must since he's pretty useless now. Wait till you can get the flaming tiger. He's cool looking. The Oni is still badass also.

Man... this lack of time has really been bothering me since I'd like to just pour a good 5 or 6 hours into this game in one day... thankfully, tomorrow's Friday and I'll be done with the exam I've been studying for at 2... so I'll finally have the time I need to make some real progress. I wonder how long this game is overall...

[Rodimus]

Man... this lack of time has really been bothering me since I'd like to just pour a good 5 or 6 hours into this game in one day... thankfully, tomorrow's Friday and I'll be done with the exam I've been studying for at 2... so I'll finally have the time I need to make some real progress. I wonder how long this game is overall...

Something was wrong with my copy and it's unplayable. Funny thing is it hasn't left my PS2 since I got it. Their's some kinda nasty stain on it. Luckly my friend works at a Gamestop and he said he'd swap it out. But I can't play it tonight and I really want to. Maybe I'll play some:

http://www.juegomania.org/Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars/fotos/snes/2/2266_c/Caratula+Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars.jpg

I can never get enouh of that masterpiece. Then I'll pop in Criticom and my night's complete.

[Chacrana]

Maybe I'll play some:

http://www.juegomania.org/Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars/fotos/snes/2/2266_c/Caratula+Tecmo+Secret+of+the+Stars.jpg

I can never get enouh of that masterpiece. Then I'll pop in Criticom and my night's complete.

Masochist, eh? :lol:

I've noticed that there's still really... no stores that even have Devil Summoner. I don't think Best Buy, CC, Target, Wal Mart, Frys, etc. have gotten this game yet and even Gamestop and EBGames seem to have extremely limited quantities. Perhaps this is typical Atlus at work again?

[FatBoyInside]

Masochist, eh? :lol:

I've noticed that there's still really... no stores that even have Devil Summoner. I don't think Best Buy, CC, Target, Wal Mart, Frys, etc. have gotten this game yet and even Gamestop and EBGames seem to have extremely limited quantities. Perhaps this is typical Atlus at work again?

GameCrazy stores have a few copies. They're crazy like that.

[Chacrana]

GameCrazy stores have a few copies. They're crazy like that.

I don't like to associate with those types... every time I've gone there in the last few months, I've apparently been sick with a case of "New-itis." With multiple employees.

[LostRoad]

How is Tales of Abyss? Has it been discussed in this thread yet?

The few small problems I have arn't any thing major. When you rotate the camra it moves to slow for my taste, and the only game play problem I have seen is when you start doing the coliseum ( sp? ) fights. For some reason your party gets very dumb, to the point I was having to tell them what to do. Other than that it really is a great game.

[depascal22]

Do I play RPGs for the storyline? Hell yeah. Although I'm willing to overlook a cliched or bland story if there's a killer battle system. A perfect example is Tales of Symphonia. The story is pretty average. Typical kids out to save the world. There are a couple betrayals as usual with most RPGs. The thing that makes Symphonia stand out is the awesome battle system, cool characters, and the ability to get away from random battles. The only gripe I had with the game was the fact that Collette casted Angel Feathers every two minutes during battle. It's a powerful attack but I had to hear my wife question my manhood because I was playing a game where a 14 year old girl kept saying "Angel Feathers". It got so bad at one point I just took her out of my party once Sheena got powerful enough.

[Chacrana]

Do I play RPGs for the storyline? Hell yeah. Although I'm willing to overlook a cliched or bland story if there's a killer battle system. A perfect example is Tales of Symphonia. The story is pretty average. Typical kids out to save the world. There are a couple betrayals as usual with most RPGs. The thing that makes Symphonia stand out is the awesome battle system, cool characters, and the ability to get away from random battles. The only gripe I had with the game was the fact that Collette casted Angel Feathers every two minutes during battle. It's a powerful attack but I had to hear my wife question my manhood because I was playing a game where a 14 year old girl kept saying "Angel Feathers". It got so bad at one point I just took her out of my party once Sheena got powerful enough.

One of the nice things about Symphonia is that you can turn off the voices. You can even turn off the battle voices while leaving the voices for cut scenes in tact.

[depascal22]

One of the nice things about Symphonia is that you can turn off the voices. You can even turn off the battle voices while leaving the voices for cut scenes in tact.

Now you tell me this. :-| I've already beaten it and I've gone on to other things.....Oh well, something to remember if I ever play it again.

[Rodimus]

Got a brand new copy of Devil Summoner. Can't wait to sit down and play for a good 6 hours.

[botticus]

Has anyone picked up Summon Night 2 or Contact yet? I'll be grabbing my copies from EB after work, those should keep me busy for a couple weeks around bouts of Clubhouse Games.

And of course, by that time FFIII and V will show up for another few weeks worth of gaming.

[MarkMan]

A friend of mine's Contact review:

http://www.vgonetwork.com/Review.aspx?id=417

Also botticus if you're gonna get two games you should try the Toys 'R Us Buy 2 Get 1 Free sale ! That way you get more bang for your buck. :)

[botticus]

A friend of mine's Contact review:

http://www.vgonetwork.com/Review.aspx?id=417

Also botticus if you're gonna get two games you should try the Toys 'R Us Buy 2 Get 1 Free sale ! That way you get more bang for your buck. :)Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view), my store credit makes them a lot cheaper than the B2G1F. Thanks for the additional review!

[Purple Flames]

A friend of mine's Contact review:

http://www.vgonetwork.com/Review.aspx?id=417

Interesting. It sort of sounds MMO-ish with all the classes rolled into one.

I think I'll get this on Sunday from Toys R Us.

[depascal22]

I've noticed that there's still really... no stores that even have Devil Summoner. I don't think Best Buy, CC, Target, Wal Mart, Frys, etc. have gotten this game yet and even Gamestop and EBGames seem to have extremely limited quantities. Perhaps this is typical Atlus at work again?

Did they release this game in limited quantities only to rake up sales on reprints a la Disgaea? It makes sense because they don't ever have to lower the price since demand will be fairly high mostly because of Ebay reselling.

[willardhaven]

Hey Markman, how do you get review copies for all your games? Do you do professional magazine or web reviews?

Also, I'm a fan of FF IX, IV and VII mostly, is XII really better than the two latter?

[BREVITY]

XII is very good but really its nothing like any of the others in the least. Its a hybrid of FFTA and FFXI in my mind. I love the hunts in this.

[depascal22]

XII is very good but really its nothing like any of the others in the least. Its a hybrid of FFTA and FFXI in my mind. I love the hunts in this.

Noo. I've already spent over 100 hours on FFTA and I absolutely hate MMORPGs..... I'll go play Tales of the Abyss until I completely forget you said that.

[Chacrana]

Noo. I've already spent over 100 hours on FFTA and I absolutely hate MMORPGs..... I'll go play Tales of the Abyss until I completely forget you said that.

People seem to be saying that it's more MMORPG like in that the combat is more of a real time affair... you don't have to deal with douchebags online, go through countless pointless quests, or kill bats for days and days before you level up once.

[Rodimus]

I'm about 34 hours into Devil Summoner. I think it's about 40 - 50 hours long. I'm taking my sweet a$$ time however. I'm on Chapter 8 and there's a total of 12 Chapters. However chapters 6 and 7 a very short.

Freakin awsome game. Too bad it's so short. I'd like the amount of depth Nocturne had with all the extra bosses and dungeons.

[Chacrana]

I'm about 34 hours into Devil Summoner. I think it's about 40 - 50 hours long. I'm taking my sweet a$$ time however. I'm on Chapter 8 and there's a total of 12 Chapters. However chapters 6 and 7 a very short.

Freakin awsome game. Too bad it's so short. I'd like the amount of depth Nocturne had with all the extra bosses and dungeons.

I'm only about 7 hours into the game, but I have a lot more time to play in this next week. I just got to the part where you meet Rasputin and yeah, still loving this game. It's somewhat amazing that the dev. team completely redid the combat system for this game and still ended up with something successful.... I was a little worried before the game came out, but the combat just gets better as you progress. Anyway, off to play a little more before I go to sleep.

[Roufuss]

By the way, felt it should be added in here, but FFXII is $37.99 the week it comes out at Circuit City, and they are expecting it on October 31st just like everyone else.

[Rodimus]

I'm only about 7 hours into the game, but I have a lot more time to play in this next week. I just got to the part where you meet Rasputin and yeah, still loving this game. It's somewhat amazing that the dev. team completely redid the combat system for this game and still ended up with something successful.... I was a little worried before the game came out, but the combat just gets better as you progress. Anyway, off to play a little more before I go to sleep.

Good battle system but it didn't get "better" for me. For the most part the battle system is a brainless hack n' slash. Its got a certain amount of strategy but 90% of the battles can be won by mashing the "square" button. And I rarely use the items I've been stocking up on.

But there are some battles that are awsome. I just did one where I had to face 100 enimies in a row. That was a nice challange.

[Chacrana]

By the way, felt it should be added in here, but FFXII is $37.99 the week it comes out at Circuit City, and they are expecting it on October 31st just like everyone else.

That's a pretty damn good deal. People have less of an excuse to wait on the game now.

I'm impractical though since I'm getting the CE anyway.

[Chacrana]

Good battle system but it didn't get "better" for me. For the most part the battle system is a brainless hack n' slash. Its got a certain amount of strategy but 90% of the battles can be won by mashing the "square" button. And I rarely use the items I've been stocking up on.

But there are some battles that are awsome. I just did one where I had to face 100 enimies in a row. That was a nice challange.

It's kinda button-mashy, but I like that the demon you summon actually does make a big difference as you get a few hours in and that you can do some cool stuff like use your demon as a magic shield (like using Jack Frost to absorb ice attacks.) I've found that some of the boss battles have been really cool recently as well which is part of the reason I thought the battle system got better. Overall, I think it's got a good balance between complexity and ease of use. This game is also starting to take over my life a little bit because I found myself debating in the middle of the day over whether or not to forge a demon with a sword or use it in fusion. Good times.

[BREVITY]

Sometimes the challenge is not in the battle its self its in fighting only one mob and not getting agro. I did this one hunt tonight where I had to zone maybe four times till I could kill off all the agro and actually fight the mob I needed to kill. This zoning and then rezoning or dragging a mob back to the zone is one thing that above nearly all others reminds me of FFXI or any other MMO. <-and thats not a bad thing, though I will say that if this were a MMO I would have been doing a lot of MPK-ing tonight. hehe Funny that SE let the mobs slowly walk back, once I even had time to tag a gate crystal for more HP/MP before going back in to fight my mob right at the zone.

[Rodimus]

Sometimes the challenge is not in the battle its self its in fighting only one mob and not getting agro. I did this one hunt tonight where I had to zone maybe four times till I could kill off all the agro and actually fight the mob I needed to kill. This zoning and then rezoning or dragging a mob back to the zone is one thing that above nearly all others reminds me of FFXI or any other MMO. <-and thats not a bad thing, though I will say that if this were a MMO I would have been doing a lot of MPK-ing tonight. hehe Funny that SE let the mobs slowly walk back, once I even had time to tag a gate crystal for more HP/MP before going back in to fight my mob right at the zone.

I honestly don't understand what you just wrote.... :-s

[Rei no Otaku]

I honestly don't understand what you just wrote.... :-s
MMO talk. It brings me back to my FFXI days...

Basically he said the challenge isn't so much in fighting an enemy, it's making sure that other enemies don't jump into the battle. If they do you should run away so you don't get overrun.

[Chacrana]

MMO talk. It brings me back to my FFXI days...

Basically he said the challenge isn't so much in fighting an enemy, it's making sure that other enemies don't jump into the battle. If they do you should run away so you don't get overrun.

That's a terrible tactic in Devil Summoner. Thanks for translating though.

[sprintsucks5892]

That's a terrible tactic in Devil Summoner. Thanks for translating though.
It's for FFXII. They're are sidequests called mob hunts, where I believe (I'm not sure, I've only heard.) you're fighting "mobs" of enemies.

[Rei no Otaku]

It's for FFXII. They're are sidequests called mob hunts, where I believe (I'm not sure, I've only heard.) you're fighting "mobs" of enemies.
Well in FFXI "mob" is a term for any enemy. Not necessarily a group of them. Like if I said, "That mob just aggroed, we better zone." It means an enemy is attacking, and we have to run to the next area.

Anyway, anyone else get Summon Night 2? I know a few people here liked the first one. Also is anyone else getting the new .hack Wednesday?

[Chacrana]

Well in FFXI "mob" is a term for any enemy. Not necessarily a group of them. Like if I said, "That mob just aggroed, we better zone." It means an enemy is attacking, and we have to run to the next area.

Anyway, anyone else get Summon Night 2? I know a few people here liked the first one. Also is anyone else getting the new .hack Wednesday?

I'm waiting to hear other people's impressions on .Hack... Gamebrink didn't seem to like it too much, unfortunately.

[BREVITY]

Well I put another 6 hours into FFXII today and might get a few more before bed. Right now I have DQ8, VP2, ToA all waiting for my attention but this game is by an far the one I am most digging right now. So compelling! I mean I got like 4 or 5 things I need done in there right now and I am just itching to get back in and play. I am a huge Tales fan so for me thats the next RPG after I finnish FFXII.

[botticus]

Well in FFXI "mob" is a term for any enemy. Not necessarily a group of them. Like if I said, "That mob just aggroed, we better zone." It means an enemy is attacking, and we have to run to the next area.

Anyway, anyone else get Summon Night 2? I know a few people here liked the first one. Also is anyone else getting the new .hack Wednesday?Got it, but I'm busy with Contact first. Everything I have heard about SM2 says it's improved upon the first, so I'm expecting good things.

But Contact brings back wonderful memories of Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore.

[Rei no Otaku]

I tried Contact, but I couldn't get into it. Normally I'd give it more of a chance, but I have far too many games to play right now to hope the game gets better.

[Purple Flames]

I started playing Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones today. I finished Chapter 4 just now and I like it a lot so far. It's easy to get into and quite fun, though you have to be on your toes in battle since if your characters die they're gone for good.

[Rodimus]

Check out this auction for a Dark Wizard guide:

http://cgi.ebay.com/sega-dark-wizard-cd-complete-game-guide-26-pages_W0QQitemZ180039933597QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6205 3QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

After reading "best guide I have ever seen" I cracked a smile.

[depascal22]

Check out this auction for a Dark Wizard guide:

http://cgi.ebay.com/sega-dark-wizard-cd-complete-game-guide-26-pages_W0QQitemZ180039933597QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6205 3QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

After reading "best guide I have ever seen" I cracked a smile.

Thanks for bringing a smile to my face. I have to give it up for the seller. He has an entrepreneurial spirit but woe to the stupid person that buys a computer print out guide for a SegaCD game........

Tales of the Abyss is an awesome awesome game. If you don't have it, go get it. NOW.

[Chacrana]

So I'm about 14 hours into Devil Summoner and I just got to chapter 10. Still really liking this game... I'm hoping to finish it by Friday.

[willardhaven]

I actually just started Nocturne and it's great, I'm kicking myself for letting this game sit on the shelf.

Any general tips?

[Chacrana]

I actually just started Nocturne and it's great, I'm kicking myself for letting this game sit on the shelf.

Any general tips?

Understand that The Matador is a bastard. Hardest boss in the game just because he'll knock you flat on your ass since you're just learning how the game works still.

[willardhaven]

I just left the medical center, stopped by the park and went to the mall... I am trying to fuse some demons, but I want to get doubles of my team first, can I take them out of active duty or do I have to fuse them before getting seconds?

[Chacrana]

I just left the medical center, stopped by the park and went to the mall... I am trying to fuse some demons, but I want to get doubles of my team first, can I take them out of active duty or do I have to fuse them before getting seconds?

You want two of certain team members? You can only have one at a time. The only way you can get a second is to get rid of the first one.

[willardhaven]

Darn, I like the idea of a Kodama/Pixie hybrid, but Pixie seems like she has some bearing on the story.

[Chacrana]

Darn, I like the idea of a Kodama/Pixie hybrid, but Pixie seems like she has some bearing on the story.

None at all, actually.

[LostRoad]

Ended up beating TotA yesterday, still have to say really great game.Everthing had a nice wrap up at the end. The "new" new+ feature is nice seeing how you buy what add on you want to carry over with you grade points, though nothing two crazy like you end game weapons/armor. Doubt I will be starting a new game any time soon, seeing as how I would like to get the guide for it, and I font think it is out yet, oh.. and devil summoner is waiting.

[Rodimus]

None at all, actually.

Well if you hold onto the Pixie, she will transform into High Pixie again into Queen Mab. If you hold onto that Pixie (it doesn't matter if she transforms as long as it's the same DNA) in the very last Kalpa there is a door that you can only open if the Pixie is on your team.

The door will ask you something like "Show me the ally that has been with you the longest" and for everyone that's the Pixie you get at the begining. I forgot what lies behind the door, maybe just some items.

[depascal22]

This thread was getting a little too far from the top so I'm bumping it back up there.

Who's ready for Final Fantasy XII? I plan on getting it for $38 at CC but I know plenty of you pre-ordered the Special Edition at GS.

[Purple Flames]

This thread was getting a little too far from the top so I'm bumping it back up there.

Who's ready for Final Fantasy XII? I plan on getting it for $38 at CC but I know plenty of you pre-ordered the Special Edition at GS.

I'll be getting it on Tuesday. I played the demo and enjoyed it a lot. I plays like an MMO, which means I'll be spending hours on end a day playing.

[botticus]

Figure I should mention this here as well...

Picked up Magical Starsign this evening, and my first impressions are fairly positive. Stylus movement kinda sucks, but you can use the D-pad or buttons as well (everything else is stylus-driven, and works pretty well).

It's basically an SNES-calibur game put on the DS, and making use of the two screens and stylus. That said, I loved most RPGs on the SNES, and this seems like it will give me similar enjoyment.

My very early review is a 7/10. It won't be taking any play-time from Contact unless that one takes a nosedive in fun at some point, but I'll be looking forward to getting to it soon after, unless Children of Mana takes its place.

[Rodimus]

So those $38 FFXII wont go on sale till 5pm?

[LostRoad]

I ordered FFXII for EB some time ago ( no more MGS 3 LE crap again ) but I won't be playing it for at least 3 months after I get it. Hell PSU just came out, all my time is there.

[depascal22]

I have that horrible habit also. I'll get a game and then not play it for months while I'm doing whatever. I'll pick it up for $38, play it, and then try to trade it away. I figure I can always pick it up again for $20 next year.

[Rei no Otaku]

I've been playing Children of Mana. Not sure if I like it yet. Been mostly using my DS for Summon Night 2. I liked the weapon creating in the first Summon Night better. It seems like you can only have one of each type of weapon so far. I don't care for that. Still a fun game though.

[Apossum]

FFVII is the worst RPG ever

[Apossum]

FFVII is the worst RPG ever


STFU it's the best

[RelentlessRolento]

I'll get FFXII once the hype dies out. I'm finding it easyer to enjoy games without the pressure of hype. Looks to fix all the issuesI had with past FFs and finally make the battle system play out the way I liked (eve since FFXI I loved the battle system setup).

[depascal22]

My wife picked up my copy and I'll start playing it after work. See you guys in a couple days.

[Rei no Otaku]

FFVIII is the worst RPG ever
Fixed.

[Chacrana]

I got my mom to pick up my copy of FFXII CE... can't wait till I can play it. November 10th = the day (for FFXII and Guitar Hero 2)

[Chacrana]

FFVIII is definitely not the worst RPG ever... it's actually pretty damn good
Fixed.

It was still messed up. Don't worry, I fixed it.

[Rei no Otaku]

FFVIII is definitely not the worst RPG ever... it's actually pretty damn good. If you like main characters that should be the mascot for emo Livejournal users, and a junction system so broken it sucks out any fun the game might have had. And it's definitely great if you love deus ex machina and plotholes you could ride a chocobo through!It was still messed up. Don't worry, I fixed it.
I put the completely fixed version up. Sorry about not completing it before XD

[Apossum]

I guess I approve of this.

[gigan54]

I finished FF XII yesterday and the ending was... well you could already tell what the ending was going to be like from the get-go. Honestly, I felt like it could've gone longer (even though the game was still crazy long)

still, there's plenty of secrets to discover and items to acquire. a fun game, but I felt that it ended too abruptly.

plus there were so many questions left unanswered! I won't go into details, but that's the way I felt.

[Chacrana]

I guess I approve of this.

You do not.

[RelentlessRolento]

It was still messed up. Don't worry, I fixed it.


...if not the best (Not including Tactics). Still think it's under appreciated like crazy. Probably the best cast setup in any FF I've ever seen actually .

[Rodimus]

Got my FFXII earlier today at CC. With tax it came out to $40.65. I'm not totally in love with the fighting system yet. But without a doubt the best looking PS2 game. Too bad no Progressive Scan.

[Purple Flames]

I got my CE earlier today, but I won't start it until after my last class tomorrow.

[Roufuss]

Got my FFXII earlier today at CC. With tax it came out to $40.65. I'm not totally in love with the fighting system yet. But without a doubt the best looking PS2 game. Too bad no Progressive Scan.

It's not even close to the best looking PS2 game imo... not without Progressive Scan. Disappointed SquareEnix didn't go that extra step and add it in.

I'd probably have to give the edge to best looking PS2 game to something like God of War if only for the 480p edge.

[spoo]

It's not even close to the best looking PS2 game imo... not without Progressive Scan. Disappointed SquareEnix didn't go that extra step and add it in.

I'd probably have to give the edge to best looking PS2 game to something like God of War if only for the 480p edge.
I am going to agree with you just because GoW looks leet but FFXII is a very close 2nd.

It is odd how SE has changed, FFXII is only a bit over 3GB about the size of FFVIII and FFIX for the PSX. It makes it hard for Sony to tell "me" that BRD is needed this new generation. I only bring this up because GoW is one of the few DVD9 games on PS2.

[RelentlessRolento]

Fuck God of War... Tekken 5 is the winner in graphics for me. Not to mention Resident evil 4 and shadow of the colossus.

[willardhaven]

I must have played a different game than you all, because the GOW I saw had blocky character models and a bland color palette.

[RelentlessRolento]

I must have played a different game than you all, because the GOW I saw had blocky character models and a bland color palette.


I have to agree. I'm still not impressed too much with GoW...

[depascal22]

I have to agree. I'm still not impressed too much with GoW...

I liked God of War's graphics. They're better than Shadow of the Colossus but not by much. I can't comment on RE4 since I've only played the Cube version. Are you guys playing on an HDTV or a regular screen? Before I switch to progressive scan, the graphics look like butt, but afterwards, they're crystal clear.

I haven't been able to play FFXII since my wife wants to watch me play. I can't complain since she bought it for me. I guess it's cool that she doesn't get all shitty that my hobby is video games. Lord knows I spent enough money on them.

[Rodimus]

Word of advice, once you get out into the desert to hunt for the Rouge Tomato, DO NOT get near the T-Rex. You'll get pwned. Lost a good 45 minutes cause of that crap.

[Apossum]

Word of advice, once you get out into the desert to hunt for the Rouge Tomato, DO NOT get near the T-Rex. You'll get pwned. Lost a good 45 minutes cause of that crap.


:lol: another T-rex victim. I can't wait to go back and kick his ass.

[Rei no Otaku]

Word of advice, once you get out into the desert to hunt for the Rouge Tomato, DO NOT get near the T-Rex. You'll get pwned. Lost a good 45 minutes cause of that crap.
Well in all fairness he is a fucking T-Rex.

[MadFlava]

Anyone hyped for Rogue Galaxy. I'm bummed that it got pushed back to next year. But it's probably the last RPG on the PS2 I'm looking forward to playing.

[Rodimus]

:lol: another T-rex victim. I can't wait to go back and kick his ass.

Shamefully yes. I actually just wanted to steal from him then run away. I figured he'd have a pretty nice item. But my attempt failed and he clobbered me. #-o

[Rei no Otaku]

Anyone hyped for Rogue Galaxy. I'm bummed that it got pushed back to next year. But it's probably the last RPG on the PS2 I'm looking forward to playing.
I'm really looking forward to it, but I'm actually kind of glad it got pushed back. There's a ridiculous amount of RPGs coming out now, so it's nice to have it spread out a bit.

[Chacrana]

I'm really looking forward to it, but I'm actually kind of glad it got pushed back. There's a ridiculous amount of RPGs coming out now, so it's nice to have it spread out a bit.

Ditto on that. There's just too damn much to play right now... and they're making legitimate gameplay adjustments right now so it's for the best that the game's delayed.

[MadFlava]

Ditto on that. There's just too damn much to play right now... and they're making legitimate gameplay adjustments right now so it's for the best that the game's delayed.

I plan to get through FFXII asap before Rogue Galaxy comes out. But I agree, too many quality RPG's on the PS2 that have come out in the past 3 months.

[depascal22]

Way too many RPGs but I won't complain.

[Roufuss]

Well in all fairness he is a fucking T-Rex.

Not to mention you can use Libra to see that he's level 30.

[Rodimus]

Not to mention you can use Libra to see that he's level 30.

I must've gotten a busted game cause I didn't have Libra at the time of T-Rex murdering my character.

[Rodimus]

In FFXII what purpose is the "loot" for? Is it all just for selling. I've been a little reluctant to get rid of some.

[Rei no Otaku]

Sell everything but teleport stones. They serve no purpose other than making money. It's to make it more "realistic." Rather than monsters having money on them, you sell what they drop.

[Chacrana]

Finally finish SMT Devil Summoner... man was I busy over the last few weeks. Anyway, I really liked the game even though it was very different from the standard SMT game. The game was surprisingly short too since I clocked in at just over 18 hours. Definitely time well spent though.

[depascal22]

Too many games to play......I haven't even started FFXII or Tales of the Abyss yet and I have a sealed copy of Devil Summoner waiting for me. What to do....

[Rodimus]

Finally finish SMT Devil Summoner... man was I busy over the last few weeks. Anyway, I really liked the game even though it was very different from the standard SMT game. The game was surprisingly short too since I clocked in at just over 18 hours. Definitely time well spent though.

WOW, Only 18 hours? I'm 40 hours at Chapter 10. I gave the game a rest until I beat FFXII. It's a good game, but I was geting bored. It's still easy for a SMT game.

[JEKKI]

Tales of the Abyss: cheap swag / contest

http://tales.namco.com/abyss/contest_main.php

[Chacrana]

WOW, Only 18 hours? I'm 40 hours at Chapter 10. I gave the game a rest until I beat FFXII. It's a good game, but I was geting bored. It's still easy for a SMT game.

Yeah, it was pretty easy, but I still thought that the challenge was sufficient for the game to be entertaining. I'm going to be opening up my copy of FFXII CE next Friday... hopefully my professors will schedule around that since FFXII honestly takes precedence over anything they could possible offer.

Oh yeah, did you finish VP2?

[Rei no Otaku]

Tales of the Abyss: cheap swag / contest

http://tales.namco.com/abyss/contest_main.php
I ordered one. Tokunaga ftw!!

[LostRoad]

Just wondering for those who have beat TotA what was your grade at the end? Also how many times did you fight the mini boss ghost? I only found him twice, and he never respawned again. Really need to pick up the guide for my next time though.

[fatbeer]

Tales of the Abyss: cheap swag / contest

http://tales.namco.com/abyss/contest_main.php

thx,i order one

[Apossum]

hay guys, Aeris isn't dead. She just called and let me know Gears of War is coming in tomorrow. yeah, she's working at Gamestop now.

[Rei no Otaku]

hay guys, Aeris isn't dead. She just called and let me know Gears of War is coming in tomorrow. yeah, she's working at Gamestop now.
She's been working there for awhile now. That whore...

[RelentlessRolento]

LIVE A LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!! LIVE A LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/snes/lal/title.jpg

will no one hear my desperate outreach for those who have some good opinions on this overlooked RPG??????????? Gahh!!! LIVE A LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!


Educate yourself: (interactive and very well put together Live A Live info site) http://www.fantasyanime.com/legacy2/livealive.htm

http://www.fantasyanime.com/legacy2/images/live_art51.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8TyONbFX8

[Rodimus]

Anyone else see similarities between FFXII & Star Wars?

Vaan - Luke Skywalker
Ashe - Princess Leia
Balthier - Han Solo
Fran - Chewbacca
Basch - Obi-wan
Penelo - ????

[RelentlessRolento]

Live A Live!

[Apossum]

Live A Live!

evil a evil!

[JEKKI]

Live A Live!when did they patch it in english?!?!

soon enough... I will play it on my psp

[Purple Flames]

Anyone else see similarities between FFXII & Star Wars?

Vaan - Luke Skywalker
Ashe - Princess Leia
Balthier - Han Solo
Fran - Chewbacca

Let's not forget the evil Empire.

[Rodimus]

Let's not forget the evil Empire.

And I guess Basch is Obi-Wan, lemme add that to me orginal post. I'm expecting this line somewhere in the later part of the game:

"Vaan, Basch never told you what really really really happened to your parents."

[Roufuss]

Just got Final Fantasy V today for GBA... it's as good as I remember.

Time to shelf FFXII for awhile.

[spoo]

Just got Final Fantasy V today for GBA... it's as good as I remember.

Time to shelf FFXII for awhile.
Let me know if it is as buggy as FFIV was for GBA.

[Roufuss]

Let me know if it is as buggy as FFIV was for GBA.

I'm about an hour in and I haven't seen any of the bugs that plagued FFIV.

It seems like a perfect port.

[craven_fiend]

Alright guys, I need some help here. I am going to be getting money from my bro for my B-day and was wanting to get an RPG or 2. I am more likely to get 2 handheld RPG, as opposed to 1 console. I have a PS2, GBA, DS2, GC, and Xbox (yeah, nothing for it, but oh well). And for information on the games I like, just take a look at my collection.

Right now I'm kind of leaning towards Contact and Final Fantasy III or V, not sure if I want to spend $40 on III though.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

[spoo]

Craven I can't recommend Final Fantasy XII enough, it is the one of the best RPG this generation (unless you have it already.)
I myself have been eying Magical Starsign but I have yet to play it but the reviews look good for an old school RPG feel.
FFIII looks great but I'm with you on the $40 price tag, ouch.
Contact is a hit and miss (another game I haven't played yet) with reviews and I'm waiting for a price drop on it after being burned buying Lunar DS with the bad reviews.
Deep Labyrinth was fun for the 20 minutes that I played it reminded me of Kings Field in a good way.

[botticus]

I both recommend and don't recommend Magical Starsign. Anyone who's read the DS thread will know my problems. The control is just obnoxious enough to be annoying, so it might turn you off, but I can't stop playing the game for some reason.

Contact is great. And for the price, I'd probably recommend $30 FFV over $40 FFIII.

Old-school goodness all around on the DS/GBA.

[craven_fiend]

Thanks for the suggestions spoo and botticus.

I will eventually borrow Final Fantasy XII from my brother, once I get through Lenneth (on his PSP) and then play through Valkyrie Profile 2. So thats still a ways off for a purchase for me. Its looking like a toss up for me between Children of Mana (assuming its 29.99 somewhere), Contact, and Final Fantasy V.

Keep the suggestions coming guys, really appreciate all of them so far.

[Deiji]

Thanks for the suggestions spoo and botticus.

I will eventually borrow Final Fantasy XII from my brother, once I get through Lenneth (on his PSP) and then play through Valkyrie Profile 2. So thats still a ways off for a purchase for me. Its looking like a toss up for me between Children of Mana (assuming its 29.99 somewhere), Contact, and Final Fantasy V.

Keep the suggestions coming guys, really appreciate all of them so far.

I'm also going to be borrowing FF12 from a friend once he beats it. As far as DS games go for you craven, I say you should get Contact due to it's Atlus-ness.

[Roufuss]

FFV is awesome.

That's all.

I don't remember this game being so hard, either... I might have to go power leveling some. It also seems to be alot shorter than I remember it.

[62t]

If you plan to get contact keep in mind you can beat it is about 10 hours, and then maybe spend 5-6 hours on side quest and other stuff.

[depascal22]

I'm guessing everyone's playing FFXII. I like the art style since it's like Vagrant Story and FF Tactics but I'm not so sure about the battle system yet. It's almost like I'm playing a stealth game when I'm walking around the Giza Plains. Can't get my ass stomped by those big ass trolls again or I'll lose another hour of play time.

[cletus]

For what it's worth, all Final Fantasy games will definitely drop in price once they've been out for a while. I plan on picking up FF12 once it goes down to $20. I'm still not sure if I want FF3 or not.

[Rodimus]

I'm guessing everyone's playing FFXII. I like the art style since it's like Vagrant Story and FF Tactics but I'm not so sure about the battle system yet. It's almost like I'm playing a stealth game when I'm walking around the Giza Plains. Can't get my ass stomped by those big ass trolls again or I'll lose another hour of play time.

Once you start getting more characters and gambits if gets better IMO. It's not my favorite battle system of all time. You don't waste time loading into a battle, which makes fighing quicker.

[Rei no Otaku]

Anyone else play Children of Mana. I thought it was horrible. That really made me sad since I wanted the game to be good.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Anyone else play Children of Mana. I thought it was horrible. That really made me sad since I wanted the game to be good.
Nope, my friend picked it up and told me that the game wasn't all that great and that I should skip the game. Not that I was planing to pick the game up in the first place. I have more then a few RPGs I want to finish up before I pick up anymore of them..

[Chacrana]

So I shouldn't bother with Children of Mana? Damn... I dunno how they continually fuck those games up, but they should know that something's not working by now.

Anyway, I'm starting FFXII today...

[depascal22]

For what it's worth, all Final Fantasy games will definitely drop in price once they've been out for a while. I plan on picking up FF12 once it goes down to $20. I'm still not sure if I want FF3 or not.

FFXII will definately drop down to $20 but it won't be until Christmas of next year. It might be worth it to trade for or buy a used copy in a couple weeks, play the hell out of it, and then trade or sell it to someone here.

FFIII might drop in price but you might never be able to find it for that price. I'm also on the fence. I know it's been graphically reimagined but $40 is an awfully high price to pay for a 15 year old RPG.

[botticus]

I haven't opened Children of Mana yet, might just sell it and pick it up again when it's cheaper. Still busy with Magical Starsign; not at all a bad game if you can overlook some small annoyances.

FFV is next!

[depascal22]

Once you start getting more characters and gambits if gets better IMO. It's not my favorite battle system of all time. You don't waste time loading into a battle, which makes fighing quicker.

I see how everyone is saying it's like an MMO. At first, I'd walk right up to the damn enemy and then select attack. Now, I'm stalking my prey, targeting, and charging up my attack bar so I can pounce like a cheetah. It's cool that the rest of the monsters in the area can also jump in and gang up on you. It makes it feel more realistic.

[craven_fiend]

So I ended up picking up Final Fantasy V and Contact with my b-day money. I'll probably get around to Contact some time after I am done with Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth.

And I think I will end up picking up Final Fantasy III around the same time I get my Xbox 360.

[willardhaven]

Anyone else play Children of Mana. I thought it was horrible. That really made me sad since I wanted the game to be good.

That sucks, I love that series.

Who is that in your avatar?

[62t]

FFIII might drop in price but you might never be able to find it for that price. I'm also on the fence. I know it's been graphically reimagined but $40 is an awfully high price to pay for a 15 year old RPG.
I got FF1+2, FF Tactics advance, FFIV Advance, as well as Sword of Mana and Kingdom Hearts CoM for under $20 each. Square Enix RPGs are over produce and FIII will likely drop to $30 or lower after a while.

[Roufuss]

So FFV is really good, but I recommend playing it through with a guide or a FAQ as there is ALOT of stuff that can be missed.

[sprintsucks5892]

So FFV is really good, but I recommend playing it through with a guide or a FAQ as there is ALOT of stuff that can be missed.
Is there any new stuff in the GBA version of FFV? Because I'm getting FF: Anthologies, and want to know if I can just use the GBA guide.

[Roufuss]

Is there any new stuff in the GBA version of FFV? Because I'm getting FF: Anthologies, and want to know if I can just use the GBA guide.

Yea, there are 4 extra classes and a 30 floor bonus dungeon, but that's all after the end of the game.

I'd recommend any of the FFV FAQ's over the Nintendo guide, though... from what I've heard, that guide is shitty quality.

[depascal22]

I got FF1+2, FF Tactics advance, FFIV Advance, as well as Sword of Mana and Kingdom Hearts CoM for under $20 each. Square Enix RPGs are over produce and FIII will likely drop to $30 or lower after a while.

I also picked up FF 1 & 2 for 10 bucks. FF Tactics Advance was a much tougher find around here for anything below MSRP. I'm glad I picked it up because it was worth every penny I payed for it.

I'm not saying that they won't drop in price. I'm just saying if you really really want a certain game and it has to be new, you're better off buying it now. Otherwise, you'll be begging in the trading forum and we all know what happens to the really desperate.

[RegalSin2020]

Well FFXII is not really worth it. I will admit the game feels like FFVI but the overall from what other people say that the game looks like Vagrant when Vagrant is more like Secret Of Mana.

So buying FFXII is like buying Vagrant story in wide open spaces and more FMV movies. Personally I dislike buying CD and DVD games all togethers since the case is so cheap and breakable. I mean yeah wow nice but still a rip off.

Then Children Of Mana from what heard is great. However in my eyes the game looks so Imageready or redone with a grraphics eidtor tool. I mean I would rather prefer a Pre-Rendered over super shaded Mana game.

However since this is not like Legend of Mana then I will eventaully have a go at this game. Then again is SOM4 all that or is that not worth the play time ether?

[MSI Magus]

To help people out here with Children of Mana its a Dungeon Hack and slash and a sub par one but not horrid. Many people are loathing it thinking they are getting a typical console RPG and not a Diablo 2/Torneko styled game. Even for a game of that style though its dissapointing. The skill(gem)system does not offer quite enough depth, level ups feel too small and the weapons simply do not have enough variety. Worst of all though the dungeons are not really that random....and the optional missions are all the exact same. This is bad because the missions are basically reach this floor on this dungeon....so basically you end up beating the exact same enemies in the exact same dungeon getting the exact same items over and over and over.

[RegalSin2020]

Children of Mana is not a DAD Linear based game. It is more like Legend Of Zelda but only looks alot better and is fun. The game itself is a Action game like many Action RPG games out there you know the characters is basically FF cop offs.

The world is most like RPG games takes place in a Pangea RPG there is massive areas to explore and variety.

As what the previous posrter said you will have to defeat enemies to move on.
This is not entirely true where you can

About things to do if you enjoy anime bashing of enemies then this game is for you and taking on various enemies this game is for you. However if your looking for the blah blah we gotta do this and that WOWC crap then this game is not for you.

Imagine playing this game in 3d like Vagrant Story but with no wait times other then the casting of spells. This is Secret Of Mana.

If you played Vagrant then you basically played Secret Of Mana. Personally I like the innocence of the game the way they make it cute to off a Bunnies head
or drink Kangaroos Oil.

[Rei no Otaku]

To help people out here with Children of Mana its a Dungeon Hack and slash and a sub par one but not horrid. Many people are loathing it thinking they are getting a typical console RPG and not a Diablo 2/Torneko styled game. Even for a game of that style though its dissapointing. The skill(gem)system does not offer quite enough depth, level ups feel too small and the weapons simply do not have enough variety. Worst of all though the dungeons are not really that random....and the optional missions are all the exact same. This is bad because the missions are basically reach this floor on this dungeon....so basically you end up beating the exact same enemies in the exact same dungeon getting the exact same items over and over and over.
I knew exactly what I was getting into, and the game was still horrible. I even got the game for free, and felt ripped off.

[MSI Magus]

Sometimes I question how many games people have played when they call some games bad. Honestly how can anyone call this game horrible whenever there is stuff like Metal Dungeon and Hydlide out there. This game deffintly isnt good but it deserves a 7 or maybe a mid 6......not a good score but far from horrible. Id reccomend it as a $10-$15 purchase later if someone is a fan of hack and slash.

[Rei no Otaku]

Sometimes I question how many games people have played when they call some games bad. Honestly how can anyone call this game horrible whenever there is stuff like Metal Dungeon and Hydlide out there. This game deffintly isnt good but it deserves a 7 or maybe a mid 6......not a good score but far from horrible. Id reccomend it as a $10-$15 purchase later if someone is a fan of hack and slash.
Oh well, there's games out there worse than this one. Guess I have to like it.

Just because there's drek like Drake and the 99 Dragons, Big Rigs, Metal Dungeon, Final Fantasy 8, Phantasy Star 3, and Sudeki out there doesn't mean that other games can't be horrible too.

Arguing opinion is pointless, hence why I didn't say anything to you about not thinking it's absolute garbage. I just refuted the point that I didn't know what kind of game it was going to be.

[MSI Magus]

Oh well, there's games out there worse than this one. Guess I have to like it.

Just because there's drek like Drake and the 99 Dragons, Big Rigs, Metal Dungeon, Final Fantasy 8, Phantasy Star 3, and Sudeki out there doesn't mean that other games can't be horrible too.

Arguing opinion is pointless, hence why I didn't say anything to you about not thinking it's absolute garbage. I just refuted the point that I didn't know what kind of game it was going to be.

1. I never said YOU didnt like it because you didnt know what kind of game it was going to be. I just said some people are doing that. Go to gamefaqs and look at the board for the game....alot of people were ignorant of the fact it wasnt a normal mana styled game.

2. Arguing opinion is pointless since 99% of the population are now kids with a 10 year old mentality who cant understand you can judge things objectivly. Honestly as an adult we should be mature enough to set aside bias and not act like a child who has to call something bad just because we dont like it. Im arguing in another topic FFXIIs flaws....but you know what despite the fact I hate the game I still say its a really good game...you know why....because I judge it on its actual flaws and pros.

In CoMs case the game has flaws but none are so huge that anyone judging objectivly shouldnt say its a pretty decent game.

That you mention Bigg Riggs and 99% of people that have ever played it are going to say its a good game should say something...as should it that more then half that have played Phantasy Starr 3 or FFVIII rank them as great or even classics shows your wrong on opinions being wrong.

[Rodimus]

Arguing opinion is pointless since 99% of the population are now kids with a 10 year old mentality who cant understand you can judge things objectivly. Honestly as an adult we should be mature enough to set aside bias and not act like a child who has to call something bad just because we dont like it.

:applause: I like you

[MSI Magus]

:applause: I like you

Erm if your serious thanks *is used to being flamed to hell and back after making that comment*

[Rodimus]

Erm if your serious thanks *is used to being flamed to hell and back after making that comment*

No, I was serious. I agree with you.

[Rei no Otaku]

2. Arguing opinion is pointless since 99% of the population are now kids with a 10 year old mentality who cant understand you can judge things objectivly. Honestly as an adult we should be mature enough to set aside bias and not act like a child who has to call something bad just because we dont like it. Im arguing in another topic FFXIIs flaws....but you know what despite the fact I hate the game I still say its a really good game...you know why....because I judge it on its actual flaws and pros.

In CoMs case the game has flaws but none are so huge that anyone judging objectivly shouldnt say its a pretty decent game.

That you mention Bigg Riggs and 99% of people that have ever played it are going to say its a good game should say something...as should it that more then half that have played Phantasy Starr 3 or FFVIII rank them as great or even classics shows your wrong on opinions being wrong.
This would be true if I cared enough to be objective. I'm not giving a review of the game, nor am I responsible for people buying it. I think the game is horrible, and that's that. I have no responsiblity to review anything objectively. Even then, so called objective reviews will look at it differently. Such as seen with many mainstream game reviewers who do hold the responsiblity of informing people of what choices they should make.

As for my opinon on opinons (yeah this is a really great thing to argue *rolls eyes*), you're just enforcing it. What's the point in debating something that everyone has a different thought about?

Your arguement is just an excuse to argue the fact that I THINK it's a bad game. The fact that you seem to care what I think of a DS game so much is quite interesting. I have to admit I'm a bit flattered.

I apologize to everyone here for the thread derailing. I'm sorry. I'll let it go, and we can talk about RPGs again.

[MSI Magus]

This would be true if I cared enough to be objective. I'm not giving a review of the game, nor am I responsible for people buying it. I think the game is horrible, and that's that. I have no responsiblity to review anything objectively. Even then, so called objective reviews will look at it differently. Such as seen with many mainstream game reviewers who do hold the responsiblity of informing people of what choices they should make.

As for my opinon on opinons (yeah this is a really great thing to argue *rolls eyes*), you're just enforcing it. What's the point in debating something that everyone has a different thought about?

Your arguement is just an excuse to argue the fact that I THINK it's a bad game. The fact that you seem to care what I think of a DS game so much is quite interesting. I have to admit I'm a bit flattered.

I apologize to everyone here for the thread derailing. I'm sorry. I'll let it go, and we can talk about RPGs again.


You have to take responsibilty for your words. It doesnt matter if its going into a review or not, your words reflect your thoughts, so when you call something bad....heaven forbid others actually take you as meaning you think its bad. Again words are like actions, you have to take responsibilty for them...or atleast your supposed to but again no one wants to.

As far as enforcing....there really isnt much point since like I just said...most people are not mature enough to take responsibilty for their words or action. In a perfect world though the enforcment would mean the eventual prevention of having to listen to whiney kids calling things gay and intellectual fucks on college campus insisting their idiotic views have any kind of merit or are worth as much as anyone elses.

And now that iv said all that I see your last sentance trying to get it back on topic(I respond as I read)so ummm heres something on topic. Is anyone else shocked that Squares biggest showing in the next year is for the DS?

[Rodimus]

I apologize to everyone here for the thread derailing. I'm sorry. I'll let it go, and we can talk about RPGs again.

It's okay. When I created this topic I knew arguements like this would break out. People that play RPGs seem like the most opionated gamers.

[botticus]

And now that iv said all that I see your last sentance trying to get it back on topic(I respond as I read)so ummm heres something on topic. Is anyone else shocked that Squares biggest showing in the next year is for the DS?Thank you. And actually, no, not really. The DS is the best selling gaming machine in the world right now (yes, that includes the US). I guess the only thing surprising about it is they can't use their usual graphical embellishment to the extent they can on the consoles.

Though they certainly tried to make up for that with FFIII.

[MSI Magus]

Thank you. And actually, no, not really. The DS is the best selling gaming machine in the world right now (yes, that includes the US). I guess the only thing surprising about it is they can't use their usual graphical embellishment to the extent they can on the consoles.

Though they certainly tried to make up for that with FFIII.

Ya but it doesnt seem like developers have ever given a handheld this kind of treatment no matter how well it sells. How cool and funny would it be if after FFXIII we saw FFXIV hit the DS. That would be quite the shocker no?

[depascal22]

Square's getting a couple different games ready for the PS3 but they'll give the DS a little love until FFXIII drops for the PS3 and FF Crystal Chronicles 2 drops for the Wii.

[MSI Magus]

Square's getting a couple different games ready for the PS3 but they'll give the DS a little love until FFXIII drops for the PS3 and FF Crystal Chronicles 2 drops for the Wii.

Sadly that probally is the case. We will see quite a few DS games almost all(if not all)of which are solid 8s with a few 7s and if we are lucky one 9. Then XIII will hit on the PS3 and from then on we will probally see 60% of the games go to the PS3 with the remain split between DS and Wii.

[Roufuss]

Square brought me improved versions of FFV and FFVI... I could care less what they do on the DS.

FFV is an amazing game, I finally got to the end (only got halfway through on an emulator) and I'd put it up there with FFIV and FFVI. All the extra stuff in the GBA version + the new translation make it awesome.

[depascal22]

Sadly that probally is the case. We will see quite a few DS games almost all(if not all)of which are solid 8s with a few 7s and if we are lucky one 9. Then XIII will hit on the PS3 and from then on we will probally see 60% of the games go to the PS3 with the remain split between DS and Wii.

The 360 might get a game also. Maybe a FPS offshoot of XIII will be announced. Oh hell, it'd be tight if they ported X, X-2, or XII over to the 360 and put it in 720p. That would sell like cold beer at a baseball game.

[Roufuss]

Ok, cut and paste from the FFV thread:

So I finally beat FFV last night... did alot of grinding at the end, clocked in at 23 hours total.

The bonus dungeon is pretty stupid imo, it's set up like a maze with a ton of backtracking and alot of "hit this switch to fight this boss to open up this door someplace to find another switch" kind of nonsense that, to me, isn't really alot of fun, since they don't really tell you what to do or where to go. Not to mention you don't get the 4th bonus job until AFTER you beat the final boss of the bonus dungeon... wtf is the point???

But hey, it was still a fun game.

[depascal22]

Ok, cut and paste from the FFV thread:

So I finally beat FFV last night... did alot of grinding at the end, clocked in at 23 hours total.

The bonus dungeon is pretty stupid imo, it's set up like a maze with a ton of backtracking and alot of "hit this switch to fight this boss to open up this door someplace to find another switch" kind of nonsense that, to me, isn't really alot of fun, since they don't really tell you what to do or where to go. Not to mention you don't get the 4th bonus job until AFTER you beat the final boss of the bonus dungeon... wtf is the point???

But hey, it was still a fun game.

So, was it worth $30 bucks or should we wait for the price drop sometime next year?

[Roufuss]

So, was it worth $30 bucks or should we wait for the price drop sometime next year?

Well, I only paid $25 with a GGC ;)

I thought it was very worth it... FFV is a favorite of mine, I enjoy the story, the characters, all the optional stuff, I love the job system.

I put 23 hours into it but that was playing it exclusively since I bought it. Honestly, if I didn't have other games I'd put the time into the bonus dungeon.

Plus, the game is pretty challenging, and that's a plus (for me). I reeeeeeeally enjoyed the game... if you really liked FF4 and 6 then chances are you will like 5.

It might be awhile on a price drop... FFIV only had a drop by accident during the CC clearance which they fixed in a day or two, so it might be awhile before V drops.

[depascal22]

Good looking out, Roufuss.

I dont' know what the hell to think about FFXII. It seems like I'm babysitting my team way too much even with Gambits turned on. It seems when I have Cure or Potion first in line for Fran or Balthier, they spend the entire battle healing even though we don't really need it. If I put Attack first, I'm running around making my guys heal. The last boss battle, I just turned the gambits off and did all the work myself.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I dont' know what the hell to think about FFXII. It seems like I'm babysitting my team way too much even with Gambits turned on. It seems when I have Cure or Potion first in line for Fran or Balthier, they spend the entire battle healing even though we don't really need it. If I put Attack first, I'm running around making my guys heal. The last boss battle, I just turned the gambits off and did all the work myself.
Maybe it is just the way you set your Gambits up?

[RegalSin2020]

FFV is better then FFIV or FFVI. then again there is more animation like the sky in IV. Still I did finish the SNES game and it was better off then to play it on a emulator. Extras is a joke when you can program a FFIV rom and put extra enemies in it.

You could probably program the living daylights out of IV and include every other level and area from the last gams.

Still to laugh that some poor smuck is going to buy the Gameboy game and cherish it like the original:rofl:

Almost as funny as everybody playing FFIV easy type and thinking they really finished the game when they just played a super soft version of the game.:rofl:

[Rodimus]

Good looking out, Roufuss.

I dont' know what the hell to think about FFXII. It seems like I'm babysitting my team way too much even with Gambits turned on. It seems when I have Cure or Potion first in line for Fran or Balthier, they spend the entire battle healing even though we don't really need it. If I put Attack first, I'm running around making my guys heal. The last boss battle, I just turned the gambits off and did all the work myself.

Try making one character take priority to healing and the rest attack. Then set it up so everyone heals after battle. It took me awhile to figure out the best way to set up gambits.

But it sounds like you're still early in the game. I figured out a pretty good Gambit strategy and haven't touched them for a while now. Even during boss battles.