most 360 games are...

[Wolfgame]

kinda terrible, in all honesty most of the games are simply over hyped medicore titles. Most people seem to be fooling themselves pretending that the 360 is somehow pushing the industry (particularly graphics) forward, but its really nothing so amazeing that I couldn't see the first Xbox doing it.

I'm not some Sony fanboy or anything I got the original xbox and 360 in the launch window but other than a few select titles (Oblivion, ghost recon) most of them are on the edge of terrible, such as Dead Rising and Saints Row, obviously this is just my opinon but if the state of games doesnt change these *great* titles have done nothing but set a decline for the industry.

[dinovelvet]

Yeah, this thread's going to be a classic...

[Scorch]

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

No really, we do care.

[whoknows]

Dead Rising is NOT a terrible game. It almost made me buy a 360 after I played it.

But I would agree that there are more mediocre games than good games on the 360.

[nyprimus4]

"but its really nothing so amazeing that I couldn't see the first Xbox doing it."

Maybe you should play almost every 360 game(excluding games like Gun) in HD with surround sound and you will realize the statement I quoted is pretty dumb.

[nativetongue88]

he speaks the truth. me personally....i just got a 360 2 weeks ago and i do enjoy it very much. the games i have played have been enjoyable in some ways and not fun in some ways. i think we have all become used to their being a huge improvement in each generation of systems, so we expect to be amazed by the new systems.

for dead rising he is right on with that one. there are so many issuses with gameplay that you would think would be taken care of by now.

[bil4ltool]

Dead Rising is a very creative and fun game, and most systems are loaded with crappy games and have a select few great titles. Name one that isn't that way.

[nativetongue88]

and before i get flammed for bad mouthing dead rising. im not saying it is a bad game at all just a few aspects of it need improvement.

[Ugamer_X]

kinda terrible, in all honesty most of the games are simply over hyped medicore titles. Most people seem to be fooling themselves pretending that the 360 is somehow pushing the industry (particularly graphics) forward, but its really nothing so amazeing that I couldn't see the first Xbox doing it.

I'm not some Sony fanboy or anything I got the original xbox and 360 in the launch window but other than a few select titles (Oblivion, ghost recon) most of them are on the edge of terrible, such as Dead Rising and Saints Row, obviously this is just my opinon but if the state of games doesnt change these *great* titles have done nothing but set a decline for the industry.
You must have missed your exit. Just make a u-turn at the next intersection and head back south, should lead you right to your destination (www.gamefaqs.com).

[Eastsidecracker]

I agree, but also think that people expect way to much out of the 360, except graphics. Its the same thing as other console games, you just have to wait for a good developer and game. Such as oblivion. And im sure GoW, Halo3, and GTA4 are going to be those games.

[Tha Xecutioner]

kinda terrible, in all honesty most of the games are simply over hyped medicore titles. Most people seem to be fooling themselves pretending that the 360 is somehow pushing the industry (particularly graphics) forward, but its really nothing so amazeing that I couldn't see the first Xbox doing it.

I'm not some Sony fanboy or anything I got the original xbox and 360 in the launch window but other than a few select titles (Oblivion, ghost recon) most of them are on the edge of terrible, such as Dead Rising and Saints Row, obviously this is just my opinon but if the state of games doesnt change these *great* titles have done nothing but set a decline for the industry.:roll:

[A Happy Panda]

You must have missed your exit. Just make a u-turn at the next intersection and head back south, should lead you right to your destination (www.gamefaqs.com).

NICE.

It's good to see the replies are worth reading at least, considering the OP is a complete waste of time and effort.

[DarkNessBear]

I'm going to have to agree.

I purchased a 360 near launch and havent been really satisified with it, other then Lego Star Wars and the Xbox Live Marketplace, I could really care less.

And the only games that were good on the 360 were also on the PC and I PERFERED them on the PC.

Oblivion to name one.

[terribledeli]

So wait, you had to come an Xbox 360 portion of the forum to tell us you believe the games are terrible?

So did you think you were being original? I mean, who would have ever thought of coming to a specific console's forum and complain about that console? Did you patent this idea? Because you're the absolute first person to think of it.

Seriously, I'm fairly certain no one gives a rat's ass about your opinion.

On a side bar, does anyone else notice the amount of "Oh noes! The industry is declining! Trust me! I know the pattern because I watch G4 shows!" posts that show up?

Most of those folks were too busy shitting themselves and/or drooling over a plastic rattle to have even been around when the industry fell apart. Reading wikipedia doesn't make you an expert on the industry.

[mtxbass1]

But I would agree that there are more mediocre games than good games on the 360.

I would agree that you have absolutely no room to talk when you don't even own the system.

[6669]

I respect your opinion, OP, but starting a new thread here to share it wasn't the best idea ;)

[Tha Xecutioner]

At least back your opinion with some solid reasoning, don't just say 360 sucks and expect not to catch flak from it.

[Morpheus]

To begin with when has the first year of a console been stellar titles all around? Oh that's right, never. Launch might have one or two gems. After launch there is the usual 6-8 month drought and then games start rolling in steadily. Its not until the second generation of games that we start seeing a lot more AAA titles. This is typical with every system.

BTW 360 owners are lucky to be able to say that Gears of War comes out in the first year of the consoles existance. Which also means GOW is a first generation game. Since I played the multi-player part of the game already, I can tell you its going to be a hot title this holiday season.

[Brak]

Not many true next generation games have released yet.

[Chacrana]

I do think the 360's lineup is kinda weak, but that's to be expected with a system in its first year. It does, however, have some really good games on it right now and most importantly, it's got a ton of potential for this next year... I'm actually really optimistic about it.

[whoknows]

I would agree that you have absolutely no room to talk when you don't even own the system.
Maybe I would own the system if there were more games worth owning (that appeal to me) on it ;)

This isn't the thread for this though, so drop it.

[mtxbass1]

Maybe I would own the system if there were more games worth owning (that appeal to me) on it ;)

This isn't the thread for this though, so drop it.

No, we'll save that for the threads where you cry DMC is the greatest game ever and you spew your usual sony banter.

[A Happy Panda]

I do think the 360's lineup is kinda weak, but that's to be expected with a system in its first year. It does, however, have some really good games on it right now and most importantly, it's got a ton of potential for this next year... I'm actually really optimistic about it.

Agreed. After X06, DAMN. MS really brought the house down with their little game conference this year. Gears of War, Assassin's Creed, Guitar Hero 2, Splinter Cell exclusivity, Halo 3, 2 more Halo games. It's hard not to be impressed with that line-up.

[whoknows]

No, we'll save that for the threads where you cry DMC is the greatest game ever and you spew your usual sony banter.
Oh right...I forgot. On this site when you don't insult Sony in some way that's considered fanboyism.

Sorry, please accept my apology.

[mtxbass1]

Oh right...I forgot. On this site when you don't insult Sony in some way that's considered fanboyism.

Sorry, please accept my apology.

Accepted. :roll: ;)

It's not what you've said in this thread. It's your constant postings throughout your existance here that reak fanboy.

[hiccupleftovers]

Call of Duty 2 and Dead Rising rule. Those are the two games that I need. That's it. Dead Rising was the title taht made me get the system.

[captainfrizo]

Between Oblivion, GRAW, Call of Duty 2, Dead Rising, Project Gotham, and even Geometry Wars, the 360 has actually had a very good year for games.

Sure, the volume of games don't match that of the PS2, XBox, or so forth, but I'd put the 360's best titles up against any other consoles' that have been released in the past year or so. Does the 360 have a truly incredible line-up of blockbusters, no, not yet. That doesn't mean its current library isn't anything to laugh at though.

[Michaellvortega]

I can't wait to play the next wannabe Halo killer, Resistance: fall of man on PS3 when it launches OR spend the cost of $250 to play Legend of Zelda the twilight princess a GAMECUBE game for the Nintendo Wii. Man those are some great launch titles that show off the systems strengths. People must forget that a huge library of games not to mention a decent amount of decent games takes time. We now have the luxury of playing stellar PS2/Xbox and GC games because 5 years have passed.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

$60.

[Sulik2]

I really don't understand the people who say that the 360s game lineup isn't very good right now. Honestly, what system has released more quality games since November? Let me run through the quality of the 360 library so far:

At launch Call of Duty 2 and Project Gotham 3 were awesome. They blew the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox launch right out of the water and are incredible games in their own right. If you like platformers, Kameo was a very underated game, which looked great as well. It just wasn't going for a realistic style in the art. Condemened was another launch game that many people enjoyed. And heck it created a new genre, First person horror melee. A month later, end of Decemeber, DOA4 is a solid online fighter. How man solid online fighters can you find on another console? Might not be the best game ever, but it delivers an experience that is tough to find anywere else. Plus it upped the visual anty again, especially for those of us with HDTVs.

Then March roled around, in Oblivion 360 had the best RPG released hands down in the last year. Oh and its graphics blew any other console out of the water. And sure you can play it on PC, heck I played Daggerfall and Morrowind on PC, but most people just don't have the time or money to upgrade their computer every year to get the same visual quality for PC as you get on 360.
Also, GRAW comes out, visually stunning game, that also happens to be a solid single player and online 3rd Person shooter. Again the best in its genre released in the past year. Fight Night Round 3 came out as well in march and is a boxing game with an entirely different feel than any other boxing game on a console, b/c of the stunning graphics and the ability to actually use them to change and improve gameplay.

Then you have the summer, a period where normally all gaming releases slow down, but the 360 kept trickling out at least decent games. Prey, Chromehounds for the online, Tomb Raider (with improved visuals), Hitman again with better graphics. It was topped of in August when we get another huge game in Dead Rising. I hate overly gory games with graphic violence, and I even enjoy playing Dead Rising. The game is incredibly innovative, packs tons of characters on screen at a time, and is just plain fun to play. Its got a unique game structure and actually manages to bring back difficulty to videogames. Something that is sadly missing in most games today.

Oh and also in August you get a solid JRPG in Enchanted Arms. A ton of fun to play, and a superb turn based battle system. Saint's Row, which has gotten very solid reviews and is the best free form Crime game of the past year. Oh and they both look pretty good as well. And if you don't like the big games there is still the arcade. I don't think I have met or talked to anyone who has disliked Geometry Wars. Its old school addicting and challenging, and is insanely fun. You have great puzzle/action games in Outpost Kaloki X, Cloning Clyde, and Marble Blast Ultra. THen you have Wik, Uno, Mutant Storm, Smash TV and even Street Fighter II. With a lot more original, and interesting titles on the way for the arcade. Then throw in the hands down best online system for a console and don't forget achievement, the marketplace, and downloadable demos. And all the huge upcoming games to look forward to: Splinter Cell: DA and then 5 exclusive, GoW, DOAX2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Viva Pinata at least looks unique, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Bioshock, Halo 3, Blue Dragon and Lost Oddessey just to name a few.

Wow this has gone on much longer than I meant it to, but basically I don't know how you can knowck the 360 lineup in its first year. It has delivered quite a few quality games in a short period of time. In fact, I would say more than PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox combined since Novemeber. Get a 360 and sit down with some of the titles I mentioned, spend sometime actually playing them and I think it would be hard for anyone to say the 360 game linup so far sucks. Its pretty solid, there are a few stinkers, but no console avoids those. And there is definitely no guarantee that the PS3 LAUNCH titles are going to be even better. Even the heralded Wii, which most everyone thinks looks intriguing, is not assured to have more fun, quality titles to play through the end of this year than the 360. Especially if you don't have a 360 yet. The 360 has weaknesses for sure, but for a console still short of a year, it has certainly delivered a lot of enjoyable games already and there are even more to look forward to.

[thamaster24]

Bleh, I'm going to have to disagree with the OP just a tad... you say you don't like Dead Rising, to tell you the truth I didn't like it that much either, but what a system can't have a game I don't like, it sold like hotcakes and a ton of people on this board seem to like it. I just realized I don't like RPG's playing Oblivion and GRAW moved to slowly... other than that almost every game I have played on the 360, to me, has been more enjoyable than any other console I have played. Some games are hyped up, yeah, but the 3rd party companies do a lot of that, and guess what? It's worked... more games coming to the 360 because of these "over-hyping" ad campaigns, so it works. Basically what I'm saying is, yes it is your opinion and you have your rights to it, but making a thread about it was not a good idea

[thrustbucket]

For those of you posting that you aren't terribly happy with your 360 since you bought it, go ahead and PM me with a rock bottom amount of $ that you would be happy with instead.

[apokalipze2]

How is Saints Row a terrible game?:-?

[lilboo]

Then what's wrong with the XBLA?

Seriously. You can play them in-between the really good games and they are just as fun--some even more fun then retail games!

I agree to an extent, but I do like the fact that there isn't a TON of "MUST HAVE GAMES" out for the 360. Take the DS for example. I have one. There are SO many games that are out AND coming out that are MUST HAVES. It's killing me. It's hard to find the time and money to get and play all these must have games..and as long as the 360 has the few that keep my interest, then that's good enough for me.

Plus even though a game may have recieve mediocre reviews, doesn't mean that YOU personally won't just love it! So if there aren't many GREAT games out--it gives you a chance to try some and see for yourself. (Unless you've played alot, and didn't like them. That's understandable.)

[thrustbucket]

I simply couldn't afford more "must have" titles on the 360. I'm not sure who could. November alone is going set me back months on my budget. :)

Oh and for the record, when Devil May Cry 4 comes to 360, I still won't buy it.

[help1]

http://www.psxa2z.com/MasterPS2LIST

Lots of shitty games.

[Kayden]

I'm going to have to agree. If you don't have Live Gold and like console FPSes, the 360 doesn't have much to offer.

I've owned 6 360 games and wasn't exceptionally moved by any of them.

Kameo- Kinda pretty with great boss fights, but it still felt forced/repetative...
Full Auto- Fun for 3 hours, then it just turns into the same shit over and over.
Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires- ZZZZZZ....
Ninty Nine Nights- " "
Dead Rising- Best game of the system, but it still does have some annoyances.
Enchanted Arms- Lack luster RPG. Pokemon with robots and shiny colors.

[thrustbucket]

I'm going to have to agree. If you don't have Live Gold and like console FPSes, the 360 doesn't have much to offer.


How much you want to sell it for?

[carpwrist]

going back to OP, i'd say most xbox 360 games are...

xbox 1.5; the games not completely next-gen. I mean, i really dont see the original Xbox not being able to pull off a slightly less-polished game like Dead Rising or Enchanted Arms. both of those are classic examples of what i'm seeing on the 360, and how it could be better.

[thrustbucket]

going back to OP, i'd say most xbox 360 games are...

xbox 1.5; the games not completely next-gen. I mean, i really dont see the original Xbox not being able to pull off a slightly less-polished game like Dead Rising or Enchanted Arms. both of those are classic examples of what i'm seeing on the 360, and how it could be better.


Well if that's seriously how you feel about next-gen, you are in for one hell of a disappointment with the PS3.

(For the record, yes you could do dead rising on the xbox 1. But the rooms would be 1/3 the size, and you'd have a max of 6 - 7 zombies on the screen at once. Oh and no dynamic blood decals. Would it still even be the same game?)

[ViolentLee]

To quote Booker T: "Don't hate the player, hate the game(s)."

It's taking time to make truly next-gen content. It's a big investment for publishers, and the Xbox 360 is just now getting an installed base to justify the time/effort/money. I believe the console has all the power necessary to make mind-blowing games (and already has with a few titles). Now, we just need the companies to develop them.

[Graystone]

kinda terrible, in all honesty most of the games are simply over hyped medicore titles. Most people seem to be fooling themselves pretending that the 360 is somehow pushing the industry (particularly graphics) forward, but its really nothing so amazeing that I couldn't see the first Xbox doing it.

I'm not some Sony fanboy or anything I got the original xbox and 360 in the launch window but other than a few select titles (Oblivion, ghost recon) most of them are on the edge of terrible, such as Dead Rising and Saints Row, obviously this is just my opinon but if the state of games doesnt change these *great* titles have done nothing but set a decline for the industry.

I'm not touching this one.

[Morpheus]

going back to OP, i'd say most xbox 360 games are...

xbox 1.5; the games not completely next-gen. I mean, i really dont see the original Xbox not being able to pull off a slightly less-polished game like Dead Rising or Enchanted Arms. both of those are classic examples of what i'm seeing on the 360, and how it could be better.

I'd love to see the XBOX that can do Gears of War. Can you show me? :D

[thrustbucket]

I'd love to see the XBOX that can do Gears of War. Can you show me? :D

I think he was saying if you turned the graphics way down, the Xbox could do it. Which is kind of a strange argument.

[zewone]

I stopped caring what you had to say when you said that Saints Row is a terrible game.

If you think Saints Row is terrible, then either you are ignorant or a troll.

[Kayden]

I stopped caring what you had to say when you said that Saints Row is a terrible game.

If you think Saints Row is terrible, then either you are ignorant or a troll.

From the demo I was left with the impression it was just a GTA copy where you were a moderately good guy. The character customization was cool though.

[chosen1s]

This is the same thing that was said about the PS2, XBox, and Gamecube upon their respective releases for the first several months. Same for the DS and the PSP.

The question will be, a year from now, do you still feel that way (PSP runs and hides in the corner)?

Not that I would disagree with your comment, only most people should be willing to understand that the implied underlying meaning should be "next generation game libraries rarely meet the hype in the first several months"

[zewone]

From the demo I was left with the impression it was just a GTA copy where you were a moderately good guy. The character customization was cool though.
You might not have been banging on your Gamestop's window (maybe it's not your type of game), but it is far from terrible.

[Apossum]

I'd agree that it's not blowing me away yet...but the system hasn't even been out a year. but there's enough quality games on the way to keep me interested.

xbox 1.5; the games not completely next-gen. I mean, i really dont see the original Xbox not being able to pull off a slightly less-polished game like Dead Rising or Enchanted Arms. both of those are classic examples of what i'm seeing on the 360, and how it could be better.

...but you could say that for just about any game.

you could make dead rising on the xbox with less zombies, less detailed textures, toned down models, less weapons, a smaller mall etc. but it wouldn't be as fun. You could also do a DMC game on the PS1 and with the same results.

[KaneRobot]

CoD2. GRAW. Oblivion. Dead Rising. Saint's Row. Geometry Wars.


Most consoles don't have 6 "you have to at least TRY this" games in their first 10 months. I'd say the 360 is at best well above average for a less-than-one-year-old console, and at worst par for the course.

There's no system seller AAA-level killer yet, but that should be just around the corner with GoW. That's still less than 1 year since tjhe console's launch.

[thrustbucket]

CoD2. GRAW. Oblivion. Dead Rising. Saint's Row. Geometry Wars.


Most consoles don't have 6 "you have to at least TRY this" games in their first 10 months. I'd say the 360 is at best well above average for a less-than-one-year-old console, and at worst par for the course.


you make a good point.

And no other system before (and i wager in the near future) has nearly as much free stuff to keep you entertained. I seriously get a kick daily out of the HD trailers, the trials, the demos.... I'm never bored with my 360. I was very impressed with the amount of free content I got from TGS/X06. It won't be long now before there is no reason to go to a game show unless you want to try and nail a booth babe.

If you measure a system by how many AAA titles you have to play at any given time, then that's sad.

[Monsta Mack]

Huh? Ghost Recon, Call of Duty 2, Oblivion, Saint's Row, Dead Rising, Geometry Wars would beg to differ. Test Drive Unlimited, PGR3 and Fight Night aren't that bad either, and I had ALOT of fun with Top Spin 2 and Table Tennis. How many games do you need of AAA quality as it is? The 360 hasn't even seen It's second holiday season, and you should look at all the high quality titles that are coming out in November.

I guess if your a rich bastard or a spoiled kid that can afford to get four titles a month per system at release with ease you'll be dissapointed, but I can't see how otherwise.

[LinkinPrime]

I don't know what kind of games you expect but I've owned about 20 XBOX360 games since launch and I love every one of them. I have never bought that many games within the 1st year of launch.

Whatever...

[Wolfgame]

some of you are trying to pin me as a flamer simply because I dont think the 360 is amazeing. god forbid someone not bow down and worship the console. I have just as much right to point out the flaws I find (IMO) then you guys do to post here worshipping it. I didn't post this to start a flame war, even though thats what im being pulled into.

[Tha Xecutioner]

some of you are trying to pin me as a flamer simply because I dont think the 360 is amazeing. god forbid someone not bow down and worship the console. I have just as much right to point out the flaws I find (IMO) then you guys do to post here worshipping it. I didn't post this to start a flame war, even though thats what im being pulled into.Well you simply come in here and say (pretty much) that the console and its games aren't next gen and are crappy. You don't point out errors in any of the games you mentioned or offer any sort of reasoning behind what you said. You make a very bold statement by saying these games are starting a decline of the industry and don't back it up? What else would you expect people to do with your opinion. Of course, you have the right to that opinion, but I can guarantee you that with no evidence or reasoning behind it..your opinion sucks and isn't worth much at all.

[thrustbucket]

Well I think if he simply states that there isn't a game that has blown his own personal skirt up, that's fine. Maybe he's a hard core japanese rpg'er or maybe he loves DDR games.....that's his opinion and he's entitled.

[Tha Xecutioner]

Well I think if he simply states that there isn't a game that has blown his own personal skirt up, that's fine. Maybe he's a hard core japanese rpg'er or maybe he loves DDR games.....that's his opinion and he's entitled.Still, to say it's not your type of games and to say it sets the decline of the gaming industry are two different things.

[Wolfgame]

Well you simply come in here and say (pretty much) that the console and its games aren't next gen and are crappy. You don't point out errors in any of the games you mentioned or offer any sort of reasoning behind what you said. You make a very bold statement by saying these games are starting a decline of the industry and don't back it up? What else would you expect people to do with your opinion. Of course, you have the right to that opinion, but I can guarantee you that with no evidence or reasoning behind it..your opinion sucks and isn't worth much at all.

thats not even logical, most everyone in this thread has simply said im wrong (without saying why) and that im a flamer, im not gonna elevate my posistion up for the fanboys on this board who would still end up responding the same way.

[thrustbucket]

thats not even logical, most everyone in this thread has simply said im wrong (without saying why) and that im a flamer, im not gonna elevate my posistion up for the fanboys on this board who would still end up responding the same way.

I haven't flamed you. All I want to illustrate to you is if you haven't seen a 360 game that looks next gen, you are going to really hate the PS3 too.

[VanillaGorilla]

but its really nothing so amazeing that I couldn't see the first Xbox doing it.See: Dead Rising, Saints Row, Oblivion, Madden 07, Fight Night Round 3, GRAW (Xbox reviews terrible, 360 reviews awesome), Kameo, Call of Duty. Think the Xbox could to those games? Uh, no. I don't know exactly what you expect these games to be, do you want them to suck you and fuck you or something?

[Tha Xecutioner]

thats not even logical, most everyone in this thread has simply said im wrong (without saying why) and that im a flamer, im not gonna elevate my posistion up for the fanboys on this board who would still end up responding the same way.Go into the OTT and say anime sucks or the wrestling threads and say WWE sucks, or go to the PS3 forums and say the PS3 sucks and see what happens. If you had explained why and given some good reasoning behind it, not as many people would be as quick to flame you. Don't act like it was expected to get these types of responses for what you said.

[VanillaGorilla]

From the demo I was left with the impression it was just a GTA copy where you were a moderately good guy. The character customization was cool though.That is why you shouldn't judge a game by a demo, especially a game as large as Saints Row. Oh, and Saints Row is better than GTA, GTA wishes it could copy Saints Row's variety of cool cars, gunplay, and city design (no load times driving through districts).

[Ebraum]

I have no problem with the quality of games on the system so far but for me, the biggest selling point of the 360 is the killer LIVE experience. It has improved so much over the original Xbox live.

[ViolentLee]

thats not even logical, most everyone in this thread has simply said im wrong (without saying why) and that im a flamer, im not gonna elevate my posistion up for the fanboys on this board who would still end up responding the same way.

::thud::

Did you hear that? I believe it was the door hitting Wolfgame's ass on the way out. Thanks for playing!

[Wolfgame]

::thud::

Did you hear that? I believe it was the door hitting Wolfgame's ass on the way out. Thanks for playing!

yea right... I simply posted this to post my opinon which most of you disagree with, but thats fine we have different views about the 360, the difference is ive presented my view without being a complete asshole to anyone.

[Apossum]

yea right... I simply posted this to post my opinon which most of you disagree with, but thats fine we have different views about the 360, the difference is ive presented my view without being a complete asshole to anyone.




NOW you're wrong and a flamer. how ironic.

[Ender]

yea right... I simply posted this to post my opinon which most of you disagree with, but thats fine we have different views about the 360, the difference is ive presented my view without being a complete asshole to anyone.

Bullshit.

You didn't create this thread with the sole purpose of "posting your own opinion". You started it to make a controversy, an argument. You knew full well that would happen when you make this type of thread in this forum.

Besides, some $$$$ers should just keep their opinions to themselves. I mean you, of course.

[Wolfgame]

NOW you're wrong and a flamer. how ironic.

and youve only proven my point, you and many others just say im wrong without saying why, yet you want a detailed explanation on what I think of the 360, respond in a mature manner and I will do the same.

[Apossum]

and youve only proven my point, you and many others just say im wrong without saying why, yet you want a detailed explanation on what I think of the 360, respond in a mature manner and I will do the same.


You really need a detailed explanation? here's one: most normal people can read the thread and understand that people have given plenty of normal responses (starting with Whoknows in the 3rd or 4th post.) You're a flamer because you just flamed everyone who has posted in the thread by saying we're giving assholish responses.

I'm assuming you have the same thread on your intarnets? if not, you may want to get the tubes checked.


somebody at least temp ban this guy. he's a pain in the ass and is obviously just a troll.

[ryanbph]

You must have missed your exit. Just make a u-turn at the next intersection and head back south, should lead you right to your destination (http://www.gamefaqs.com).

that was classic :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Sporadic]

and youve only proven my point, you and many others just say im wrong without saying why, yet you want a detailed explanation on what I think of the 360, respond in a mature manner and I will do the same.

Imagine that, you created the thread/topic and we actually want you to back up your original post with anything factual instead of just hiding behind "IT'S MY OPINION SO THERE NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH"

[rabbitt]

Is this you? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=235097

[Apossum]

Is this you? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=235097


:rofl:

he's 28. er wait, that's not funny.

:-(

[Wolfgame]

Is this you? http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=235097


didnt even click the link... ive never once visited myspace and im proud of that.

[rustyrage]

I respect your opinion.

[ViolentLee]

yea right... I simply posted this to post my opinon which most of you disagree with, but thats fine we have different views about the 360, the difference is ive presented my view without being a complete asshole to anyone.
"Yeah right..." is the best comeback of all time. It almost halted any further discussion on the subject, but I finally composed myself enough to type out the following:

You don't call someone's baby ugly. And if you do, you'd better be tactful and/or concise about it. You weren't, so you're treated as hostile as others viewed your initial barrage. My comment about the door hitting you on the ass refers to your inevitable departure from CAG due to "irreconcilable differences." And I personally wasn't an asshole in my initial response, but thanks for the accusation just the same. Again, great way to make friends and influence people!

[Wolfgame]

I can understand defending the 360, I never said that there werent alot of great things about the system, I just dont feel that the current games are what can be considered next gen. the only way for a system to get better is to take negative remarks and hope things improve, the 360 is still early in its life span, but at the current state of the console. I dont feel that its all next gen gameing could be.

going back to my original remark about saints row and dead rising, both of these titles have a few noteable pluses (again in my opinon) I just dont feel that either are games that couldn't have been done on the original xbox, I know im gonna get responses saying that it isnt possible, but it actually is. If the graphics were toned down I could see both titles being completely capable of running on the xbox.

but the problem with that statement is that that can hold true with most every game, but if graphics is really that big of a deal (where I feel the industry is declining) then the real emphasis on gameplay tends to suffer, originality is hard to come by in this industry and widely accepted titles that do very little to push it in new directions aren't helping things.

I'm personally not a fan of clone games that have a few noteable difference saints row to grand theft auto. even compareing dead rising to dynasty warriors isnt too far fetched. I've played both games extensivly and this is just my opinon obviously it hasn't been well received but I'm doing my best to explain why I feel this way, since I will agree that this topic is largely pointless if I dont atleast make an attempt to clarify my view, if any of you feel that im wrong feel free to post, a good debate has never hurt a message board.

[rabbitt]

The 360 isn't next-gen; it's current-gen.

[ViolentLee]

I can understand defending the 360, I never said that there werent alot of great things about the system, I just dont feel that the current games are what can be considered next gen. the only way for a system to get better is to take negative remarks and hope things improve, the 360 is still early in its life span, but at the current state of the console. I dont feel that its all next gen gameing could be.

going back to my original remark about saints row and dead rising, both of these titles have a few noteable pluses (again in my opinon) I just dont feel that either are games that couldn't have been done on the original xbox, I know im gonna get responses saying that it isnt possible, but it actually is. If the graphics were toned down I could see both titles being completely capable of running on the xbox.

but the problem with that statement is that that can hold true with most every game, but if graphics is really that big of a deal (where I feel the industry is declining) then the real emphasis on gameplay tends to suffer, originality is hard to come by in this industry and widely accepted titles that do very little to push it in new directions aren't helping things.

I'm personally not a fan of clone games that have a few noteable difference saints row to grand theft auto. even compareing dead rising to dynasty warriors isnt too far fetched. I've played both games extensivly and this is just my opinon obviously it hasn't been well received but I'm doing my best to explain why I feel this way, since I will agree that this topic is largely pointless if I dont atleast make an attempt to clarify my view, if any of you feel that im wrong feel free to post, a good debate has never hurt a message board.
Like I've said before, "Don't hate the player, hate the game(s)." The Xbox 360 itself isn't the problem. If there is a problem, it's the people making games for it. The hardware more than has the power to push next-gen to its limits.

I agree with you about many of the games being possible on Xbox. I mean, I have a Kameo Xbox playable that's virtually identical besides graphics. Look at DOA4 -- it looks great, but not a whole lot better than DOA3. It's not just graphics, as processing power, animation, and physics all play a part, but I see your point.

I think you might be a little too harsh on me-too titles. Even THQ acknowledges that Saint's Row is a GTA rip-off, but to quote those fat Canadian bastards Barenaked Ladies, "It's all been done." Truly original concepts are few and far between. Everything is going to use elements from past titles, but that's how the industry as a whole evolves. Keep in mind companies have to turn a profit, so for better or worse they stick with what sells. With the new technology, games are a bigger/riskier investment, so sadly you'll see less originality.

It's not the 360's fault -- except for the fact that I think it came out too soon, something I was adamant about before its launch. Microsoft blew its chance to actually be profitable in the game space by deciding to go deeper in the red with a new platform. After almost a year with the system, though, I'm not complaining as much. It's progress...

I'm glad to see you support your arguments more.

The 360 isn't next-gen; it's current-gen.
Not so, bro. PS2/Xbox/GC are current-gen, because that is still the standard generation, and the one with the most releases and shelf space, and highest installed base. I believe 360/PS3 won't be considered current-gen for another year or so. As for Wii, who the hell knows; at E3, they were calling it "new-gen."

[SpikeSpiegel]

I pretty much agree. There are only a handful of titles are good. (Though some of the ones you said were terrible aren't IMO)

Next year though there are going to be so many great games.

But it was clear that you made this topic to cause some heat. I don't condone that.

[thrustbucket]

The 360 isn't next-gen; it's current-gen.

And what's next gen then? Do we have to wait another 5 years?

[Tha Xecutioner]

I can understand defending the 360, I never said that there werent alot of great things about the system, I just dont feel that the current games are what can be considered next gen. the only way for a system to get better is to take negative remarks and hope things improve, the 360 is still early in its life span, but at the current state of the console. I dont feel that its all next gen gameing could be.Congrats, you have just shown one of the biggest reasons why people think your argument is crap. You say that the system is early in its life, yet you say it's not what it could be. What it COULD be is truely next gen with everything in 1080i, original games that blow all competition out of the water graphically, innovatively, and gameplay-wise..but of course these things have to gradually take place. Your argument states that right now the 360 should be in its prime, where in the past (with every other system) it has shown to take a period of time for a system to go to its peak; and that because of this failure to reach such a high point in its life that the 360 has failed at being "next-gen." With this arguement, one could state that you believe the Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and every system before it failed in its mission to be groundbreaking or the "next big thing" because they did not hit maximum potential in less than a year of its existence.

going back to my original remark about saints row and dead rising, both of these titles have a few noteable pluses (again in my opinon) I just dont feel that either are games that couldn't have been done on the original xbox, I know im gonna get responses saying that it isnt possible, but it actually is. If the graphics were toned down I could see both titles being completely capable of running on the xbox.Again a noteable problem with the arguement. "If the graphics were tuned down.." Do you really believe that the original Xbox, as good as the games were on that system, could run Dead Rising even with a minor graphical downgrade? What makes you think this? Do you know what sort of processing power the game needs to run, and do you think the Xbox holds this much power? Do you have any knowledge whatsoever behind what goes into the games, or are you merely making an assumption? The same I ask with Saints Row.

but the problem with that statement is that that can hold true with most every game, but if graphics is really that big of a deal (where I feel the industry is declining) then the real emphasis on gameplay tends to suffer, originality is hard to come by in this industry and widely accepted titles that do very little to push it in new directions aren't helping things.I can note many experiences in 360 games so far where I have actually said "Wow, that looks real." The backdrop of some of the mountains on Amped 3 look incredibly lifelike, the background, and the look and feel of the bikes in MotoGP '06 are amazing, and I can even recognize places in Project Gotham Racing 3 that I have seen in those cities with my own eyes because they look so real. I also think the idea of "originality" is being used too precisely and too defined. Things like the XBL Vision cam adds new features to games like Uno and Texas Hold'em that pretty much no one would consider original. But answer this, has there been the ability to talk and watch friends while playing with them over the internet and having the ability to see them through a camera ON A CONSOLE? No. In this aspect, the camera truely is original. The same could be said about the MarketPlace and all of its features. I find it hard to believe that the link you provided with non-next gen graphics to bad gameplay actually holds much ground. Just because the game isn't in full HD does not hurt the gameplay, nor does the fact that the game may not be the first of its kind.

I'm personally not a fan of clone games that have a few noteable difference saints row to grand theft auto. even compareing dead rising to dynasty warriors isnt too far fetched. I've played both games extensivly and this is just my opinon obviously it hasn't been well received but I'm doing my best to explain why I feel this way, since I will agree that this topic is largely pointless if I dont atleast make an attempt to clarify my view, if any of you feel that im wrong feel free to post, a good debate has never hurt a message board.Have you played Saints Row? The game, although it maintains the same style and pace of GTA, is very different. In GTA, the city centered around you (the character). Gangs started wars because of you, mobs came after just you, and nothing in the city would change unless you had a finger in it. In Saints Row, you are just a part of the city. Stores have sells, gangs invade on other gangs' (besides yours) turf, people step on each other's toes, and NPC's have lives of their own going on that don't necessarily involve you. Saints Row has an online community, where GTA has nothing. Saints Row centers around customizing your character, his lifestyle, and the city around you, where GTA lets you cut hair, get fat or built, and some tattoos.

[manofpeace20]

I would say it's a perfectly valid arguement, at least at the moment. I'm almost tempted to sell the 360, but then I see SC:DA and Smackdown VS raw 07 and it convinces me to hold out a little longer. I'm just not very impressed so far, especially considering those two titles will soon be multi-platform. And seeing as how the 360's are poorly made, it's only a matter of time before I have to send it in to get fixed. Suddenly the PS3 sounds like it might be a bargain if it doesn't have hardware issues....although it probably will seeing as how the PS2 was made.