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jkam
10-09-2006, 10:19 PM
I was thinking of getting a 360 and hooking it up to my Dell Flat Screen monitor. The specs look like this:

Specifications: Dell™ 1901FP Flat Panel Color Monitor User's Guide
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Flat Panel
Screen type Active matrix - TFT LCD
Screen dimensions 19 inches (19-inch viewable image size)
Preset display area:
Horizontal 376 mm (14.8 inches)
Vertical 301 mm (11.9 inches)
Pixel pitch 0.294 mm
Viewing angle +/- 85° (vertical) typ, +/- 85° (horizontal) typ
Luminance output 250 CD/m ²(typ)
Contrast ratio 600 to 1 (typ)
Faceplate coating Antiglare with hard-coating 3H
Backlight CCFL (4) edgelight system
Response Time 25ms typical

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Resolution
Horizontal scan range 30 kHz to 80 kHz (automatic)
Vertical scan range 56 Hz to 76 Hz (automatic)
Optimal preset resolution 1280 x 1024 at 60 Hz
Highest preset resolution 1280 x 1024 at 75 Hz
* Highest addressable resolution 1280 x 1024 at 75 Hz

So would the 25ms response time be way too slow to game on it? I don't want to bother if its not worth it in the long run.
Strell
10-09-2006, 10:23 PM
I got an LCD about 1.5 years ago, and was told that <12ms was required.

These days you can pick up 2ms screens pretty cheap, so I'd suggest as low as you can go.

For the record, mine is 8ms, and I never notice ghosting on it, so anything more seems just fine. I honestly don't buy arguments from FPS players who swear they "like, totally always see ghosting on LCDs."

Best bet? Just try it out, see what happens.
rodeojones903
10-09-2006, 10:32 PM
25ms is horrible. You will have alot of ghosting on that monitor. I see it sometimes on mine and its 8ms.
jkam
10-09-2006, 10:37 PM
25ms is horrible. You will have alot of ghosting on that monitor. I see it sometimes on mine and its 8ms.

Yeah I kind of figured that...it was a free monitor so I can't really complain and I've only used if for my (non-gaming) computer up until this point so it hasn't been an issue. I guess I'll see what else is out there. I don't want to spend a lot though if I do get something else....any suggestions?
Trakan
10-09-2006, 11:19 PM
8ms is the highest acceptable response time for gaming. I bought a monitor for HD for my 360 blind, and I got pretty lucky. I have this (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Envision-19-LCD-Monitor-H191W/sem/rpsm/oid/147648/catOid/-12965/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) one. Games look great on it and there is no ghosting. I'm not sure how much you want to spend though. I don't use it for my PC, so I couldn't tell you how websites, etc, would look on it. 360 games definitely look great though.
Nerbil
10-09-2006, 11:22 PM
Since you will be doing gaming, it's best to stick to 9ms or less.

For non-gaming or video applications, 25ms would be fine.
Dezuria
10-09-2006, 11:35 PM
That monitor is small, low res, has bad viewing angles and a terrible response time. No gaming!
dastly75
10-09-2006, 11:48 PM
I have a 12ms monitor and I experience really bad ghosting while playing Halo 2
Kayden
10-09-2006, 11:54 PM
My 20.1 is 16ms and I never see ghosting.
stnkygrngo
10-10-2006, 12:08 AM
i have a compaq from 2002, about 25ms, and i dont see ghosting either.
KaneRobot
10-10-2006, 10:47 AM
This thread is evidence that manufacturer's often fudge their numbers a little bit - meaning some people with 8ms say they see ghosting, while people with 16ms say they don't.

In general though, I'd say 25 is taking far too much of a chance. 8 should be fine if you buy a quality panel (Dell should be fine), and 6 would be great.