PS3 will NOT upscale DVDs

[CheapyD]

Wow, if this is true, I am VERY disappointed and suprised.
IGN (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740601p4.html) via Blue-Ray.com (http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=24624)

On a down note, SCE informed us that DVD upscaling was not part of the PS3 multimedia feature set. The Xbox 360 upscales DVDs, so it's surprising to see SCE go without the feature.
Is it true that most HDTVs already will upscale a regular DVD themselves?
Is this really not a big deal?

Where is epobirs when we need him?

[jkam]

Wow, if this is true, I am VERY disappointed and suprised.


This pretty much somes up Sony at this point.

[Z-Saber]

Where is epobirs when we need him?I'm glad to see someone else is waiting for him to post in every technical thread.

[MadFlava]

Goodness, the PS3 is losing all appeal to me now. All the Blu-Ray players out there upscale regular DVD's to higher resolutions. Why can't the PS3 do this. The PS3 is a bust to me now, I fully intend to sell it for a quick buck.

[paddlefoot]

Two reasons

1. It helps keep the manufacturing costs a little lower.

2. It gives consumers another reason to consider the Samsung and Sony Blu-Ray players that retail for at or over 1K


You can probably guess which one of those is the bigger reason

[Daddy]

Oh man I dont even have to knock the PS3 it does it to itself....WOW just WOW

[Michaellvortega]

In a way if your TV has a higher resolution then 480i it would never show you a 480i picture in the first place. I don't know why people think that upconverting DVDs is so great when in reality it sucks. Picture quality is best viewed when the original material was of a high quality in the first place not a low quality resolution that has its picture stretched to fit a higher pixle count.

[mykevermin]

Now we need to put together a chart that adds the price of a progressive scan dvd player to the price of the PS3 console, with "required" next to it.

Ayup.

[cleaver]

I used to watch DVDs on my 1080p 42" LCD with my DVD player, it looked mediocre. Now I watch them upconverted on my 360 with VGA cables and I can't imagine a much sharper picture. Night and day.

[mykevermin]

I used to watch DVDs on my 1080p 42" LCD with my DVD player, it looked mediocre. Now I watch them upconverted on my 360 with VGA cables and I can't imagine a much sharper picture. Night and day.

I thought that the system update with the upscaling wasn't released yet.

[Z-Saber]

Being an owner of an upscaling player, I'd say it's a sizeable difference. Not enough to encourage or deter me from buying a console, but enough that I will not watch DVDs unless it's on my HDTV with my upscaling DVD player.

[Gojtron]

Yeah, there's a difference. First DVD I watched when I got my 57" HD was The Incredibles. Looked good, nothing spectacular. Put in into my 2nd Xbox, watched it in 1080i, there was a noticeable difference. Really, I don't understand why allowing HD over component is such a big deal.

[evilmax17]

Probably a concious business decision made to sell more BluRay titles.

Consumer: "Oh crap, my PS3 won't upscale this DVD. Ah well, I might as well just spring for the BluRay version anyway"

MS includes the feature because they're not trying to push their own media standard.

[Z-Saber]

MS is trying to push their standard, but they aren't shoving it down your throat, with the HD-DVD addon being optional and some HD-DVDs having both the standard DVD movie and HD-DVD movie on it.

Heck, next week, the PS3 won't play DVDs.

[whoknows]

Heck, next week, the PS3 won't play DVDs.
Like the Wii?


Yeah...that was kind of low I guess :-P

[HumanSnatcher]

My reasoning for not careing about blu ray in the PS3 is that how many people went out and bought a PS2 solely as a DVD player...

[Z-Saber]

Like the Wii?


Yeah...that was kind of low I guess :-PI figured someone would say that, but at least the Wii isn't attempting to be an all-in-one media station like the 360 and even moreso the PS3 are trying to do.

And if the Wii did play DVDs, it would play them at the same resolution as Sony's megasuperpowereduberbetterthanthekiddiecube machine.

[whoknows]

I figured someone would say that, but at least the Wii isn't attempting to be an all-in-one media station like the 360 and even moreso the PS3 are trying to do.

And if the Wii did play DVDs, it would play them at the same resolution as Sony's megasuperpowereduberbetterthanthekiddiecube machine.
Still, the Wii really doesnt have a good reason to not play DVD's.

And resolution and all that doesnt affect me...I just use the normal AV cables that come with the consoles. I *think* my TV supports component cables, but I'm not sure...and I dont really care enough to check.

[Maynard]

Easy tigers, easy. Almost every single TV that we sell at Magnolia that is 1080p upscales automatically to 1080p on all the HDMI inputs. Most of them are using a DCDI faroudja chip. So its just as nice as the other upscalers. Only a couple of the cheaper 1080p sets upscale to only a 1080i and 720p so its all sexy and all good. IF sony would have had to add a scaler to the PS3 it would have just cost more, so keep the price down as far as you can and let the TV handle it. I always tell customers that the TV will do a better job of upscaling it anyway. Normally they all use DCDI chips which is better than the majority of the upscaling DVD players out there for your 99 to 200 $ range.

[Kaijufan]

Two reasons

1. It helps keep the manufacturing costs a little lower.

2. It gives consumers another reason to consider the Samsung and Sony Blu-Ray players that retail for at or over 1K


You can probably guess which one of those is the bigger reason
All upconverting does is take the information in the frame and increases the resolution, adding in extra pixels to get to your HDTV's resolution. You need a powerful processor to get the pixels to look right, but the Cell should be more then powerful enough to do it. Really Sony has no excuse to not include upconversion over HDMI.
My guess that the reason Sony did not including upconverting in the PS3 is because they want you to buy the Blu Ray versions of their movies, since some people would be fine with an upconverting version of their DVDs.

I thought that the system update with the upscaling wasn't released yet.
The 360 has always been able to upconvert over VGA.

[Z-Saber]

The reason the Wii doesn't play DVDs is because most mainstream families already have a DVD player, or can get one for $50, and it would bump up the cost to an even more "unmainstream" price.

[Mr Unoriginal]

My reasoning for not careing about blu ray in the PS3 is that how many people went out and bought a PS2 solely as a DVD player...

A lot at first I would guess. Also, Sony is marketing the fact that if you get a PS3 then you won't need to shell out the cash for a stand alone Blu-Ray player and thus you are saving money buying the PS3. Now that point is moot because you will need to get a standalone Blu-Ray player to enjoy its capabilities.

[HumanSnatcher]

A lot at first I would guess. Also, Sony is marketing the fact that if you get a PS3 then you won't need to shell out the cash for a stand alone Blu-Ray player and thus you are saving money buying the PS3. Now that point is moot because you will need to get a standalone Blu-Ray player to enjoy its capabilities.

I do see that point of view, but all of the upscaling and blu ray is a total moot point when you factor in that the average person does't have a HDTV.

[Darknyss]

Easy tigers, easy. Almost every single TV that we sell at Magnolia that is 1080p upscales automatically to 1080p on all the HDMI inputs. Most of them are using a DCDI faroudja chip. So its just as nice as the other upscalers. Only a couple of the cheaper 1080p sets upscale to only a 1080i and 720p so its all sexy and all good. IF sony would have had to add a scaler to the PS3 it would have just cost more, so keep the price down as far as you can and let the TV handle it. I always tell customers that the TV will do a better job of upscaling it anyway. Normally they all use DCDI chips which is better than the majority of the upscaling DVD players out there for your 99 to 200 $ range.
Interesting. So since I am planning on buying a 55" SXRD before PS3 is released I shouldn't have to worry about this news?

[gaelan]

seems like a clever way to get consumers to buy more blu ray discs instead of watching their existing dvd collection to "compare" blu ray with an upscaled dvd version.

[Vinny]

The difference between a TV upscaling an image and a standalone player doing it is different I think. I'm not a 100% sure but I believe it's something like this...

A HDTV will upscale an image fill the extra lines from 480i/p of a DVD up the resolution to 720p/1080i/p. Theoretically, it stretches the image to fit the extra lines. Think of it as digital zoom of a digital camera or when you resize an image in paint- though it's not as bad.

A upscaling player actually reprocesses the image to be the new solution. It's more like optical zoom or a resampled image.

[gaelan]

Interesting. So since I am planning on buying a 55" SXRD before PS3 is released I shouldn't have to worry about this news?

you will still have to worry since a tv upscaling a picture is totally different from a player upscaling. basically it is stretching a picture (TV) instead of reprocessing the picture (player conversion).

[DarkNessBear]

No upscaling?

=(

Sadness + 2

I was looking forward to starting a bluray/dvd collection after I get a PS3. I guess it will only be Blu-ray now.

[Michaellvortega]

The reason the Wii doesn't play DVDs is because most mainstream families already have a DVD player, or can get one for $50, and it would bump up the cost to an even more "unmainstream" price.

Nintendo didn't want to add a $20 license to each unit making them $20 less for each unit sold. Nothing wrong with that but it's true.


I'm sure features of the PS3 will be upgraded just as 360 features are upgraded by dashboard updates via Internet and game downloads. It's all just one BIG arms race this gen.

[panasonic]

yall fucking fanboys are disgusting

[DarkNessBear]

yall fucking fanboys are disgusting

:cry:

[HumanSnatcher]

No upscaling?

=(

Sadness + 2

I was looking forward to starting a bluray/dvd collection after I get a PS3. I guess it will only be Blu-ray now.
That has got to be the dumbest statement I've ever read on here. Dude, just get a damn upscaling DVD player. You can get them for pretty much nothing now.

yall fucking fanboys are disgusting

I couldn't agree with you more!

[furyk]

That has got to be the dumbest statement I've ever read on here. Dude, just get a damn upscaling DVD player. You can get them for pretty much nothing now.

You obviously haven't been at CAG for long. For example...


yall fucking fanboys are disgusting

I couldn't agree with you more!

Those two statements taken together are illegal in 22 of the continental United States as a hate crime against people who have a third grade education (or higher).

[6669]

Sony disappoints me again.

[HumanSnatcher]

You obviously haven't been at CAG for long. For example...




Those two statements taken together are illegal in 22 of the continental United States as a hate crime against people who have a third grade education (or higher).

Your attempt at humor is quite lame.

[sonicbooom]

The reason the Wii doesn't play DVDs is because most mainstream families already have a DVD player, or can get one for $50, and it would bump up the cost to an even more "unmainstream" price. Thank you.

Are people REALLY complaining about the ps3 not being able to upscale 480i dvds? Wow.

Go buy a dvd player that upscales, they could cost as low as $40 now. I wouldn't want to use my ps3 to play dvds, nor would I expect it to be better than my Sony DVP-NS75H or any of the high-end players that upconvert. Just use the ps3 to play games or BRD movies, which is what the ps3 is made to do.

[CheapyD]

Just use the ps3 to play games or BRD movies, which is what the ps3 is made to do.

Oh reeeeeeeealy ;)


The PS3 "is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine."..."With the PS3, our intentions have been to create a machine with supercomputer calculation capabilities for home entertainment."

[Chris in Cali]

This "next" generation is pissing me off on all fronts. Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have made a ridiculous amount of very annoying/aggravating choices thus far.

Xbox 360:
-No HDMI
-Two SKUS, thus eliminating the hardrive being used for gaming purposes.
-Read-only USB ports
-Useless, and challening Windows Media Center connectivity.
-Not being HD-DVD from the start.
-Small Hard-drive.
-Not being able to save pictures, videos, and other non-gaming content to your hard-drive, music only.
-Ripping CDs is the only way to put music on the hardrive.
-Very dissapointing XBLA release schedual.
-Lame backwards compatiblity support.

Nintendo:
-Highly underpower system, but yet fairly pricey considering lack of power and features.
-No componet cables packed in.
-Retarded way of obtaining componet cables via online retailers only.
-No DVD playback!
-Shady online plan, and not for another year.
-Unproven controller design.
-Odd choices with Zelda, and they have been very hush-hush on the game.
-Very expensive accesories.

Playstation 3:

-Well, to be honest with you I don't even care enough about this system to go on a tangent about it. Let me just says I feel it's a total joke. Almost every single thing new we hear about it makes me want it less, and I can't see myself buying one for at least another three years. Of course that's all just my opinion though.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Oh reeeeeeeealy ;)
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8031/zingcakeszn6.jpg

[Michaellvortega]

This "next" generation is pissing me off on all fronts. Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have made a ridiculous amount of very annoying/aggravating choices thus far.

Xbox 360:
-No HDMI
-Two SKUS, thus eliminating the hardrive being used for gaming purposes.
-Read-only USB ports
-Useless, and challening Windows Media Center connectivity.
-Not being HD-DVD from the start.
-Small Hard-drive.
-Not being able to save pictures, videos, and other non-gaming content to your hard-drive, music only.
-Ripping CDs is the only way to put music on the hardrive.
-Very dissapointing XBLA release schedual.
-Lame backwards compatiblity support.

Nintendo:
-Highly underpower system, but yet fairly pricey considering lack of power and features.
-No componet cables packed in.
-Retarded way of obtaining componet cables via online retailers only.
-No DVD playback!
-Shady online plan, and not for another year.
-Unproven controller design.
-Odd choices with Zelda, and they have been very hush-hush on the game.
-Very expensive accesories.

Playstation 3:

-Well, to be honest with you I don't even care enough about this system to go on a tangent about it. Let me just says I feel it's a total joke. Almost every single thing new we hear about it makes me want it less, and I can't see myself buying one for at least another three years. Of course that's all just my opinion though.


You can't have it all.

[sonicbooom]

You can't have it all. Thank you.

It seems like everybody is expecting some sort of supercomputer instead of a gaming console. I mean, these are gaming consoles first.

Chris in Cali, if you really want all of those features in a gaming console, maybe you should just buy a computer (no sarcasm intended, it was just a suggestion)? If you really manage your money well, you can build a great computer that'll do all of those things, and cost a little more or less than a ps3.

[Chris in Cali]

You can't have it all.

I don't want nor was I expecting it all, but I want some of it. Especially when most of those problems seem like common sense issues, and not me asking for miracles. I mean, would it kill Nintendo to sell their componet cables in-store? Couldn't Microsoft have let me put music onto my harddrive from my ipod, or pictures from any media source? It's not asking that much.

[Chris in Cali]

Thank you.

It seems like everybody is expecting some sort of supercomputer instead of a gaming console. I mean, these are gaming consoles first.

Chris in Cali, if you really want all of those features in a gaming console, maybe you should just buy a computer (no sarcasm intended, it was just a suggestion)? If you really manage your money well, you can build a great computer that'll do all of those things, and cost a little more or less than a ps3.



Yeah, and I have a computer that plays CDs, but guess what I want a CD player in my car too! By that logic perhaps we shouldn't have any media features in anything because a computer can do all of it right, and nothing else should even attempt.

[sonicbooom]

Yeah, and I have a computer that plays CDs, but guess what I want a CD player in my car too! By that logic perhaps we shouldn't have any media features in anything because a computer can do all of it right, and nothing else should even attempt.
I didn't give a smartass answer and I didn't want a smartass response, buddy.

[CheapyD]

It seems like everybody is expecting some sort of supercomputer instead of a gaming console. I mean, these are gaming consoles first.

Ha ha ha...:rofl:
I guessed you missed it the first time.

The PS3 "is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine."..."With the PS3, our intentions have been to create a machine with supercomputer calculation capabilities for home entertainment."

[sonicbooom]

Ha ha ha...:rofl: LOL.

Do you have a link to that? I haven't read that.. funny I said it wasn't what Sony wants it to be.

Edit: When I suggested Chris in Cali should buy a computer if he wanted all those features, I was talking about all the features he said the 360 and wii were lacking, I wasn't specifically talking about the ps3 since he didn't talk about it missing features, just why he wouldn't buy one.

[Chris in Cali]

I didn't give a smartass answer and I didn't want a smartass response, buddy.


Sorry. I was a spoiled child, but you get the point.

[WhipSmartBanky]

LOL.

Do you have a link to that? I haven't read that.. funny I said it wasn't what Sony wants it to be.

Edit: When I suggested Chris in Cali should buy a computer if he wanted all those features, I was talking about all the features he said the 360 and wii were lacking, I wasn't specifically talking about the ps3 since he didn't talk about it missing features, just why he wouldn't buy one.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-14,GGGL:en&q=%22not+a+game+machine%22+kutaragi

Have a ball.

[sonicbooom]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-14,GGGL:en&q=%22not+a+game+machine%22+kutaragi

Have a ball. Read through a few.

Well, to me, the ps3 is exactly what I thought it was. I looked at it mainly as a gaming console and BRD player with HDMI and bluetooth, a hdd, online gaming, etc. It is all of those--unless I missed out on more news.

I wasn't expecting the 360 or wii to compete with all of that.

[gofishn]

I don't want or expecting it all, but I want some of it. Especially when most of those problems seem like common sense issues, and nto me askign for miracles. I mean, would it kill Nintendo to sell their componet cables in-store? Couldn't Microsoft have let me put music onto my harddrive from my ipod, or pictures from any media source? It's not asking that much.

I agree with you. Most of the things you listed aren't exactly outrageous demands. They're more like common sense things that for whatever reason the companies have chosen to leave out.

[GizmoGC]

Does this matter? How many people will actually use the HDMI port?

[Z-Saber]

Does this matter? How many people will actually use the HDMI port?Apparently you know nothing of high-definition. Component cables can carry HD signals, and tons more people use those.

[GizmoGC]

Apparently you know nothing of high-definition. Component cables can carry HD signals, and tons more people use those.

If you want to upscale properly you want to have an HDMI capable TV. Why are so many people bitching about the 360 HD addon then? No HDMI there, only component.

Hell how many people can't play Dead Rising because they still have a ghetto ass TV. Are these the same people who are going to spend $600 on a PS3?

[Z-Saber]

If you want to upscale properly you want to have an HDMI capable TV. Why are so many people bitching about the 360 HD addon then? No HDMI there, only component.

Hell how many people can't play Dead Rising because they still have a ghetto ass TV. Are these the same people who are going to spend $600 on a PS3?That was so freaking scattered.

You don't need HDMI to upscale. It has in no way ever been a requirement.

[dastly75]

Apparently you know nothing of high-definition.

Apparently a lot of people don't know of all the high-definition components including HDMI.

[Trakan]

HDMI or VGA to upscale.

[alongx]

My reasoning for not careing about blu ray in the PS3 is that how many people went out and bought a PS2 solely as a DVD player...

A lot, especially in Japan. One of my close friends has a PS2 as a DVD player because it looked good compared to the rest of his media components. Ridiculous, sure, but PS2 came out when DVD players were still rather expensive, and it did a servicable job playing them.

[captainfrizo]

A lot, especially in Japan. One of my close friends has a PS2 as a DVD player because it looked good compared to the rest of his media components. Ridiculous, sure, but PS2 came out when DVD players were still rather expensive, and it did a servicable job playing them.

In addition, the PS2 was priced very similar to DVD players at the time of its release in Japan. Not only did you get a fully functional video game console, you also got a fairly well priced DVD player.

[GizmoGC]

That was so freaking scattered.

You don't need HDMI to upscale. It has in no way ever been a requirement.

Yeah...

So then the Xbox 360 can upscale just like my HD-A1 player, right?

My 360 is connected through component cables while my HD-A1 is through HDMI. Funny, when I put a movie in my 360 and then the SAME movie in my HD-A1 player the HD-A1 looks way better. Then I hook up my Toshiba HDMI Upscaling DVD player and it STILL looks better then the 360...why is that? There should be no difference then, right?

Why are people bitching about the 360 not having HDMI then?

[sonicbooom]

Yeah...

So then the Xbox 360 can upscale just like my HD-A1 player, right?

My 360 is connected through component cables while my HD-A1 is through HDMI. Funny, when I put a movie in my 360 and then the SAME movie in my HD-A1 player the HD-A1 looks way better. Then I hook up my Toshiba HDMI Upscaling DVD player and it STILL looks better then the 360...why is that? There should be no difference then, right?

Why are people bitching about the 360 not having HDMI then? Because everybody loves digital. HDMI is digital. Component is analog.

As for you comparing the dvd picture, the xbox, 360, and ps2 are gaming consoles. Playing movies is secondary. Use a DVD player to watch movies, not your 360.

[sonicbooom]

If you want to upscale properly you want to have an HDMI capable TV. Why are so many people bitching about the 360 HD addon then? No HDMI there, only component.

Hell how many people can't play Dead Rising because they still have a ghetto ass TV. Are these the same people who are going to spend $600 on a PS3?
Some dvd players can upscale through component.

[HumanSnatcher]

A lot, especially in Japan. One of my close friends has a PS2 as a DVD player because it looked good compared to the rest of his media components. Ridiculous, sure, but PS2 came out when DVD players were still rather expensive, and it did a servicable job playing them.

You're forgetting one thing though: We're not in Japan. When the PS2 came out, prices were dropping really really quick. You could get a decent DVD player for at least a 100 bucks cheaper than the PS2s launch price...

[Kayden]

Yeah...

So then the Xbox 360 can upscale just like my HD-A1 player, right?

My 360 is connected through component cables while my HD-A1 is through HDMI. Funny, when I put a movie in my 360 and then the SAME movie in my HD-A1 player the HD-A1 looks way better. Then I hook up my Toshiba HDMI Upscaling DVD player and it STILL looks better then the 360...why is that? There should be no difference then, right?

Why are people bitching about the 360 not having HDMI then?

The 360 upconverts to 480, what do your high fallootin DVD players upconvert to? 720, 1080?

[GizmoGC]

Because everybody loves digital. HDMI is digital. Component is analog.

As for you comparing the dvd picture, the xbox, 360, and ps2 are gaming consoles. Playing movies is secondary. Use a DVD player to watch movies, not your 360.

LOL. I don't use game consoles to watch anything. They are for GAMING. I have an HD-A1 and a Toshiba upscaling DVD player. HDMI is there for a reason. Sadly PS3 does not even COME with component cables so 80% of people who buy a PS3 and watch that free delicious Blu-Ray movie out of the box will be amused.

[HumanSnatcher]

Only reason I use my 360 for watching DVDs is because its the onlyt progressive scan DVD player I have. Though I d use my PS2 in the bedrrom, only because I still have an RFU for it from my PS1. Plus that tv doesn't have AV jacks, and I don't want to have to deal with an RF modulator

[GizmoGC]

The 360 upconverts to 480, what do your high fallootin DVD players upconvert to? 720, 1080?

Research the HD-A1 and get back to me.

[Kayden]

Research the HD-A1 and get back to me.

Ok, thanks for telling me strait forward and not being a dick like you sometimes do!

"Video Up-Conversion for SD DVD (720p/1080i)" Geeee... maybe thats why it looks better. It upconverts to twice the resolution as the 360.

[GizmoGC]

Ok, thanks for telling me strait forward and not being a dick like you sometimes do!

"Video Up-Conversion for SD DVD (720p/1080i)" Geeee... maybe thats why it looks better. It upconverts to twice the resolution as the 360.

It DESTROYS anything a normal DVD player can do, simply by playing standard DVDs. Pop in an HD-DVD...and damn. I took you're post as being rude, hence why I chose not to post. If I thought you were truly interested I would have gone into more detail. This is a Sony board, way too many Sony fanboys willing to argue there awesome PS3 with free UMD Blu-Ray movie.

The reason I was making before was if I hooked up my HD-A1 with component cables upscaled would not look nice. HDMI it however and they look awesome. Z Saber was trying to argue that component and HDMI make no difference.

[Z-Saber]

Z Saber was trying to argue that component and HDMI make no difference.Sure wasn't.

[sonicbooom]

Z Saber was trying to argue that component and HDMI make no difference.
lol.. you really don't know what you're talking about, huh?

[GizmoGC]

lol.. you really don't know what you're talking about, huh?

Do you? You're not adding anything to this discussion.

[RedvsBlue]

Do you? You're not adding anything to this discussion.
He usually doesn't. He normally just sweeps in, insults whoever disagrees with him, and then claims they don't know anything then they call him on it so you can pretty much expect him to insult you somehow now.

[Mid Boss]

The reason I was making before was if I hooked up my HD-A1 with component cables upscaled would not look nice. HDMI it however and they look awesome. Z Saber was trying to argue that component and HDMI make no difference.

That might have something to do with the fact that the HD-A1 can't upscale over component :roll: Of course it's going to look better over HDMI, it's outputting 720p/1080i on it, while its still putting out only 480p on component

[dpatel]

Because everybody loves digital. HDMI is digital. Component is analog.

As for you comparing the dvd picture, the xbox, 360, and ps2 are gaming consoles. Playing movies is secondary. Use a DVD player to watch movies, not your 360.

Also, isn't there something that will happen in the future that will mandate HDMI output if you want to watch blu-ray or HD-DVD in its original resolution? I believe this was done to prevent piracy. Basically, in a few years, Blu-ray and HD-dvds will only work if you use HDMI. If not, they will appear significantly downgraded (about the same resolution as a DVD). Anyone know about this?

[NamPaehc]

I only know they are trying to make HDMI a standerd so they can protect their work.

[zerolens]

You can get a HDMI RCA DVD player for something like $70, and it has a HDMI cable included. There may be cheaper alternatives, I don't know though. Better to put the wear and tear on a $70 piece of hardware than a $500 piece of hardware. And if this feature not on the PS3 is a dealbreaker then buy a 360 and use that for DVDs and games.

When DVD players (including the HDMI ones) are very affordable I would rather put the wear and tear on those than doing it on $400 pieces of hardware.

[HumanSnatcher]

You can get a HDMI RCA DVD player for something like $70, and it has a HDMI cable included. There may be cheaper alternatives, I don't know though. Better to put the wear and tear on a $70 piece of hardware than a $500 piece of hardware. And if this feature not on the PS3 is a dealbreaker then buy a 360 and use that for DVDs and games.

When DVD players (including the HDMI ones) are very affordable I would rather put the wear and tear on those than doing it on $400 pieces of hardware.

Well, for 200 you can get an Oppo upscaling player that also does PAL-to-NTSC conversion...

[sonicbooom]

Well, for 200 you can get an Oppo upscaling player that also does PAL-to-NTSC conversion...
Also, the Sony DVP-NS75H can be had for anywhere from $80 to $140. It's considered one of the best upconverting dvd players for the price.

[Wolfpup]

This is such a non-issue. IMO the only people who could get worked up over it are Microsoft Fanbois. It's a non-issue because:

1) Who cares whether the upscaling is happening on the player or TV? Either way you're blowing up a 480i image to 720 or 1080p. Personally I trust my TV to do the job more than I trust some $50 DVD player.

2) The 360 dosen't upscale DVDs either, at least not through component. When I poped in a film, it switched from 720p to 480i-but you know what? My KDL series Sony did a perfectly great job of displaying it.

3) This is something that can be added later through software.

[Daddy]

PS3 doesnt support VGA either..haha (in my nelson from the Simpsons voice)

[Wolfpup]

PS3 doesnt support VGA either..haha (in my nelson from the Simpsons voice)

Though it may support DVI through the HDMI port. This is all kind of up in the air, and is one of two things I don't like about the PS3 (the other being the wireless controllers).

[Daddy]

Though it may support DVI through the HDMI port. This is all kind of up in the air, and is one of two things I don't like about the PS3 (the other being the wireless controllers).


Yeah no VGA and no replaceable batteries barf