View Full Version : Discrimination in Apartment Renting
TurkeyOnRye
11-02-2006, 04:39 PM
So here's the deal...
Jenn and I moved back to KY recently to be closer to our family and friends. We were kinda wasting our lives away in IN because we didn't have any true friends and we'd come home from work, and sit around and do nothing. We decided to make the jump back home when she got the opportunity to go out to Seattle for a few months and make some bank managing a Halloween store, and I would go back to KY and get a job (which I did, with the same pay no less) and find an apartment.
We were hoping to find a decent two bedroom apartment or house for $500 or less (which is what were we paying for a three story house in IN) and I happened upon a classified ad for such an apartment. I scoped out the address listed and it turned out the apartments were in a gorgeous location. I proceeded to call and find out the huge apartments were only $385 a month with a $250 deposit. I thought this was an unbelievable find and that it must have been a blessing.
The old man then proceeded to ask "How many in your family?"
"Just my fiance and I" I replied. We're not really engaged, but we've lived together for close to 3 years now. Plus "fiance" sounds so much better that "girlfriend." Besides, whose business is it but ours?
"I don't rent to a male and female who are unmarried..."
"Oh, I understand," I mumbled back. Being a Christian, I can understand certain "old school" beliefs and I can respect them (hence the two bedrooms). Still... it reeked of discrimination. And honestly I would have appreciated his honesty... if he had been honest.
"I rented to some unmarried couples and they broke up and fought over the rent and it was a big mess, so I don't do that anymore." That where I drew the line. I didn't say anything but that is such a full load of crap. There's no difference in an unmarried couple breaking up and fighting over the rent and a married couple breaking up and getting divorced and fighting over the rent. I was even going to fight it. I don't want a nazi hoarding over us regarding our private life and that's exactly what this guy as a landlord would be. As a Christian I never never forced my values and beliefs on someone else. I pretty much despise people who try.
"If you want togo ahead and get married, I'll show you the apartment."
"No deal. Weddings not until next November. Thanks for the information." And I hung up on him...
So what does everyone think? Should I be pissed off? I kinda am. I'd love to report this guy somewhere if I could. Or am I just getting riled up for nothing?
musha666
11-02-2006, 04:48 PM
It is his apartment to rent out to whoever he pleases.
You definitely have reason to be pissed but he has every right to choose who he wants to deal with in his apartment.
It sounds like you are better off not living there if he would be wanting to know every part of your life anyways. You dodged a bullet, now just find a better place to live.
Mookyjooky
11-02-2006, 04:53 PM
Musha666 is a prophet.
Believe his teachings, and spread the word.
It is his apartment to rent out to whoever he pleases.
You definitely have reason to be pissed but he has every right to choose who he wants to deal with in his apartment.
It sounds like you are better off not living there if he would be wanting to know every part of your life anyways. You dodged a bullet, now just find a better place to live.
I'm pretty sure that's not even remotely true. Does he also have the right to not rent to Mexicans? Gays?
I agree that you're better off not living there in the end, though.
Mookyjooky
11-02-2006, 04:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that's not even remotely true. Does he also have the right to not rent to Mexicans? Gays?
I agree that you're better off not living there in the end, though.
Do you have the right to not let a Mexican or a Gay stay in your house if you dont want him to? I've got a Gay Mexican friend looking for a place to stay in NYC actually... PM me your address, he'll be over shortly. He likes to smoke weed everyday and fuck random guys in your living room at 2am.
PenguinoMF
11-02-2006, 05:03 PM
Call him back and pretend to be someone else and pretend to be married.
Thats bullshit he won't rent to you because you aren't married.
Apossum
11-02-2006, 05:06 PM
Doesn't sound like it has much to do with his religous beliefs.
it would suck to be a renter caught in the middle of some dumb kids' break up like that and it sounds like he has been there.
Do you have the right to not let a Mexican or a Gay stay in your house if you dont want him to? I've got a Gay Mexican friend looking for a place to stay in NYC actually... PM me your address, he'll be over shortly. He likes to smoke weed everyday and fuck random guys in your living room at 2am.http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00003604----000-.html
Thongsy
11-02-2006, 05:13 PM
I don't think there is anything you can do, unless you're like a minority or disable. Otherwise I would call up some number, i always hear it on the radio and stuff, talking about apartment rental discrimination. That sucks, good luck finding a place to live.
PenguinoMF
11-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Housing discrimination based on your race, color, national origin, religion, sex, family status, or disability is illegal by federal law. If you have been trying to buy or rent a home or apartment and you believe your rights have been violated, you can file a fair housing complaint.
http://www.hud.gov/complaints/housediscrim.cfm
I would assume being married or not falls under family status.
soonersfan60
11-02-2006, 05:16 PM
No, unmarried couples are not a protected class by discrimination laws (unless it is covered by a local city ordinance). Family status means that you can't be denied housing because of having kids or the size of your family (unless the fire code comes into play). And being "unmarried" means by definition that they aren't a "family" yet.
No, unmarried couples are not a protected class by discrimination laws (unless it is covered by a local city ordinance). Family status means that you can't be denied housing because of having kids or the size of your family (unless the fire code comes into play). And being "unmarried" means by definition that they aren't a "family" yet.It could fall under religion, though.
help1
11-02-2006, 05:20 PM
Do you have the right to not let a Mexican or a Gay stay in your house if you dont want him to? I've got a Gay Mexican friend looking for a place to stay in NYC actually... PM me your address, he'll be over shortly. He likes to smoke weed everyday and fuck random guys in your living room at 2am.
There is actually a CAG on here who has encountered one and posted about him.
Bottom line the guy is a dumb ass for flat out telling you he's not going to rent the place to you because you aren't married. Not very savvy.
Sounds like you could make a fair housing complaint if you wanted to and see what they think.
Bottom line the guy is a dumb ass for flat out telling you he's not going to rent the place to you because you aren't married. Not very savvy.
Sounds like you could make a fair housing complaint if you wanted to and see what they think.Yeah, I would, if for nothing else than to stick it to him. Even if there's no punishment involved it will be a waste of his time.
Dead of Knight
11-02-2006, 05:31 PM
I would totally file a fair housing complaint just to stick it to his ass. How unprofessional.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 05:32 PM
Yeah, I would, if for nothing else than to stick it to him. Even if there's no punishment involved it will be a waste of his time.
Or you could just move on with your life and not waste your time.
Plus, the whole story starts with, I lied to this guy about my girlfriend being my fiance, and then....................
Or you could just move on with your life and not waste your time.
Plus, the whole story starts with, I lied to this guy about my girlfriend being my fiance, and then....................Yeah, they should instead bake the guy a cake.
browneyedgal68
11-02-2006, 05:37 PM
Why would you want to live there? And even if you did, and you tried to do something with your local housing authority, do you have proof? Because he'll say, "I never said that." And no, this is not discrimination as defined by the law.
Move on, this is not the only dwelling.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 05:39 PM
Yeah, they should instead bake the guy a cake.
And poison it, if for no other reason than to stick it to him, right?
Do you have the right to not let a Mexican or a Gay stay in your house if you dont want him to? I've got a Gay Mexican friend looking for a place to stay in NYC actually... PM me your address, he'll be over shortly. He likes to smoke weed everyday and fuck random guys in your living room at 2am.
So? It'd be like moving back home for me. *ahem*
TheOneGod
11-02-2006, 05:48 PM
TurkeyOnRye the guy wa not being one bit discrimitory towards you. All he wanted was people who was married to live in his apartment housing. Personally you was wrong and he was right. Just get married and call back the guy about the place. Also I suggest looking at the place first before passing judgement.
I suggest buying a really cheap house and refinance the house.
Most of the times the man buys the apartment and then gets married. If you are married then you and her would be tied to an agreement. Then landlord is just affraid that it might be you and a strangler on the side.
Also being married has nothing to do with Religion. Being Cristian has nothing to do with Marriage at least not in this country. Marriage today is just a bussiness agreement between two people.
Mookyjooky
11-02-2006, 05:50 PM
TurkeyOnRye the guy wa not being one bit discrimitory towards you. All he wanted was people who was married to live in his apartment housing. Personally you was wrong and he was right. Just get married and call back the guy about the place. Also I suggest looking at the place first before passing judgement.
I suggest buying a really cheap house and refinance the house.
Most of the times the man buys the apartment and then gets married. If you are married then you and her would be tied to an agreement. Then landlord is just affraid that it might be you and a strangler on the side.
Also being married has nothing to do with Religion. Being Cristian has nothing to do with Marriage at least not in this country. Marriage today is just a bussiness agreement between two people.
:-s
TurkeyOnRye the guy wa not being one bit discrimitory towards you. All he wanted was people who was married to live in his apartment housing. Personally you was wrong and he was right. Just get married and call back the guy about the place. Also I suggest looking at the place first before passing judgement.
I suggest buying a really cheap house and refinance the house.
Most of the times the man buys the apartment and then gets married. If you are married then you and her would be tied to an agreement. Then landlord is just affraid that it might be you and a strangler on the side.
Also being married has nothing to do with Religion. Being Cristian has nothing to do with Marriage at least not in this country. Marriage today is just a bussiness agreement between two people.It's so easy!
Apossum
11-02-2006, 05:51 PM
why file a housing complaint...to use the law to get him to let you move in? if that's the case, it's a horrible idea. the guy would try to screw you in every way possible. it would be a mess.
Apossum
11-02-2006, 05:53 PM
Also being married has nothing to do with Religion. Being Cristian has nothing to do with Marriage at least not in this country. Marriage today is just a bussiness agreement between two people.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
tell that to the people fighting for gay marriage laws :roll:
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 05:53 PM
Also being married has nothing to do with Religion. Being Cristian has nothing to do with Marriage at least not in this country. Marriage today is just a bussiness agreement between two people.
LMFAO. You haven't been around the last few years in this country, have you?
While it might be against state or local laws to have non-family members living in the same homestead, that's blatant discrimination. File a complaint, just so that other prospective renters can be aware if they decide to rent from him. If he has a license to rent these apartments (meaning it's not a basement apartment in his house), he has to follow rules.
http://housing.org/pdf_docs/Marital%20Status%20Discrimination.pdf
It may not apply to your state, but it's there.
Mr Unoriginal
11-02-2006, 05:53 PM
why file a housing complaint...to use the law to get him to let you move in? if that's the case, it's a horrible idea. the guy would try to screw you in every way possible. it would be a mess.
Even in the pooper?
Apossum
11-02-2006, 05:56 PM
Even in the pooper?
even in the pooper.
Dead of Knight
11-02-2006, 05:58 PM
why file a housing complaint...to use the law to get him to let you move in? if that's the case, it's a horrible idea. the guy would try to screw you in every way possible. it would be a mess.
No, just to be an asshole to the guy. It's all about being an asshole.
No, just to be an asshole to the guy. It's all about being an asshole.If someone's in the wrong, you don't give them a pass. I guarantee Gandhi would have filed a housing complaint. It's essential passive resistance.
Dead of Knight
11-02-2006, 06:04 PM
If someone's in the wrong, you don't give them a pass. I guarantee Gandhi would have filed a housing complaint. It's essential passive resistance.
QFT!!
Mookyjooky
11-02-2006, 06:07 PM
Burn down the apt. while screaming, "If I cant have it, no one can!" and then "Glitter Bitch" the cops FTW.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 06:14 PM
If someone's in the wrong, you don't give them a pass. I guarantee Gandhi would have filed a housing complaint. It's essential passive resistance.
Yeah, I was just thinking that "Yeah, I would, if for nothing else than to stick it to him. Even if there's no punishment involved it will be a waste of his time" sounds exactly like something Gandhi would say.
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 06:20 PM
Yeah, I was just thinking that "Yeah, I would, if for nothing else than to stick it to him. Even if there's no punishment involved it will be a waste of his time" sounds exactly like something Gandhi would say.
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/33500/33896denr_w.jpg
Mookyjooky
11-02-2006, 06:23 PM
Yeah, I was just thinking that "Yeah, I would, if for nothing else than to stick it to him. Even if there's no punishment involved it will be a waste of his time" sounds exactly like something Gandhi would say.
No wonder Gandhi never got anything important in life done. Always caught up in petty arguments.
What a loser. :D
mykevermin
11-02-2006, 06:45 PM
Bottom line the guy is a dumb ass for flat out telling you he's not going to rent the place to you because you aren't married. Not very savvy.
Sounds like you could make a fair housing complaint if you wanted to and see what they think.
Bingo bebe. Most audit studies (where silly-ass "investigative reporters," researchers, or HUD sends two people with completely identical characteristics except for one - race/gender/religion/etc - to apply for housing, and repeated differential treatment is considered evidence of discrimination) are damned good at finding discriminatory treatment that landlords try to hide.
OP, welcome back to KY (you anywhere near the northern part? I'll go drinkin' with you tonight), but would you have even thought twice if this was the conversation?
You: I'm calling about the apartment for rent in the paper. My girlfriend and I are interested in it.
Landlord: Oh, I'm terribly sorry, but I just showed it to someone who's coming back tomorrow to sign a lease on it. I wish I could have got to you in time; best of luck in searching for a place
That's the kind of discrimination a lot of people face. As a single person, they have no idea that the landlord just told them to fuck off and take their minority/sinner/gender selves outta here; when you examine the frequency of this on the large scale, and see that the same people are finding out that apartments are spontaneously unavailable (hint: it ain't white folks), then you have no choice but to assume landlords are acting fucked up.
The worst part about it is that the punishments and fines for residential discrimination are fucking pitiful, they're hard to find (the resources for discovering discrimination aren't in our federal budget), and infrequently levied.
Sorry about your luck. I hope you find the sinner part of town; you'll be closer to the record store anyway.
depascal22
11-02-2006, 06:53 PM
Does that part of KY have laws about unmarried people staying in the same apartment? I know when my wife and I stayed in NC, they did. Luckily, our apartment complex didn't give a damn because was always paid in full and on time.
Yeah, I was just thinking that "Yeah, I would, if for nothing else than to stick it to him. Even if there's no punishment involved it will be a waste of his time" sounds exactly like something Gandhi would say.Wrong. Gandhi was more a "let evil triumph through inaction" guy.
Apossum
11-02-2006, 07:07 PM
No, just to be an asshole to the guy. It's all about being an asshole.
as a beta male, I wholly object to this. :-P
If someone's in the wrong, you don't give them a pass. I guarantee Gandhi would have filed a housing complaint. It's essential passive resistance.
I guess there are some things I don't resist...usually because I don't have all the facts/don't care to dig for them. It would suck to make a big passionate stink, then have my ass handed back to me in a paper bag, if I were wrong.
for one thing, it doesn't sound like the OP tried very hard. On top of that, he lied about being engaged and just assumed he got denied because the renter *might be* religious.
Maybe the guy really did have a bad experience with a dumb young couple who screwed him out of a couple months rent. That's not too far fetched of an idea.
finally, if Gandhi was half-way reasonable and not hung up on technicalities, he would've got the facts in, tried to plead his case, then when some normal human interaction fails, he'd file a report. ;)
as a beta male, I wholly object to this. :-P
I guess there are some things I don't resist...usually because I don't have all the facts/don't care to dig for them. I would to make a big stink, then have my ass handed back to me in a paper bag.
for one thing, it doesn't sound like the OP tried very hard. On top of that, he lied about being engaged and just assumed he got denied because the renter *might be* religious.
Maybe the guy really did have a bad experience with a dumb young couple who screwed him out of a couple months rent. That's not too far fetched of an idea.
finally, if Gandhi was half-way reasonable and not hung up on technicalities, he would've got the facts in, tried to plead his case, then when some normal human interaction fails, he'd file a report. ;)The point is, Gandhi wouldn't be a big pussy about it. He'd try to get results, like the movie character based on him, Dirty Harry.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 07:09 PM
Wrong. Gandhi was more a "let evil triumph through inaction" guy.
Evil huh? A bit melodramatic are we?
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 07:10 PM
The point is, Gandhi wouldn't be a big pussy about it. He'd try to get results, like the movie character based on him, Dirty Harry.
Ok, that was funny.
Evil huh? A bit melodramatic are we?Discrimination is cool with you?
Apossum
11-02-2006, 07:14 PM
The point is, Gandhi wouldn't be a big pussy about it. He'd try to get results, like the movie character based on him, Dirty Harry.
8-)
Discrimination is cool with you?
c'mon now. I know it's the internet and all we have are the bare bones facts, but it's way too early to hit the "discrimination" alarm.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 07:15 PM
Discrimination is cool with you?
No.
http://www.unmarried.org/newsletters/McDonough.php
The important part:
"Despite the expansion of protected statuses under the FFHA's 1988 updates, there is currently no federal protection against housing discrimination based on marital status. While many states have added such protections to their human rights and/or housing codes, thousands of municipalities nationwide presently have total discretion regarding housing discrimination based on marital status."
Here is Kentucky:
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies2/kchr/KCHR_Housing.html
c'mon now. I know it's the internet and all we have are the bare bones facts, but it's way too early to hit the "discrimination" alarm.It's not discrimination? Why not?
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 07:24 PM
Does that part of KY have laws about unmarried people staying in the same apartment? I know when my wife and I stayed in NC, they did. Luckily, our apartment complex didn't give a damn because was always paid in full and on time.
What part of NC?
Most are, 'You cannot have more than three unrelated persons living under one roof.'
Noodle Pirate!
11-02-2006, 07:24 PM
You've obviously never seen Spaced.
I would rent it and wait for the hilarity to ensue.
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 07:26 PM
No.
http://www.unmarried.org/newsletters/McDonough.php
The important part:
"Despite the expansion of protected statuses under the FFHA's 1988 updates, there is currently no federal protection against housing discrimination based on marital status. While many states have added such protections to their human rights and/or housing codes, thousands of municipalities nationwide presently have total discretion regarding housing discrimination based on marital status."
That's not the important part of that article. The ACLU got involved and the jurisdiction acquiesed. It doesn't matter if you were actually discriminated, just the appearance will do sometimes.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 07:28 PM
That's not the important part of that article. The ACLU got involved and the jurisdiction acquiesed. It doesn't matter if you were actually discriminated, just the appearance will do sometimes.
So the law isn't the important part?
depascal22
11-02-2006, 07:29 PM
What part of NC?
Most are, 'You cannot have more than three unrelated persons living under one roof.'
Durham, NC but they repealed the law last year I think. I didn't even hear about the law until we had left the state and I saw a news blurb about how they finally overturned an old law that no one even enforced anymore.
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 07:33 PM
So the law isn't the important part?
There is no law prohibiting them living together.
ACLU>Rednecks, almost every time.
Greenville still has that law, AFAIK.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 07:36 PM
There is no law prohibiting them living together.
ACLU>Rednecks, almost every time.
Greenville still has that law, AFAIK.
Maybe I am misreading here, and if I am let me know, but there also appears to be no law protecting their right to live together either.
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 07:40 PM
Maybe I am misreading here, and if I am let me know, but there also appears to be no law protecting their right to live together either.
No, you're right. But when you get a powerful voice on your side when there is real or apparent discrimination (hey, does the ACLU really care?), who is going to win? It's not going to be the landlord, I guarantee that. Even if there were no court case, you know there would be protests and news coverage directed at this person.
gregthomas77
11-02-2006, 07:44 PM
No, you're right. But when you get a powerful voice on your side when there is real or apparent discrimination (hey, does the ACLU really care?), who is going to win? It's not going to be the landlord, I guarantee that. Even if there were no court case, you know there would be protests and news coverage directed at this person.
That is true enough. But who the fuck cares? For the OP, I suggest finding somewhere better to live.
depascal22
11-02-2006, 07:47 PM
Yeah, if your landlord is pissed, you're the last person he gets to when you have a problem. Or you might have a rash of "break ins".
Maklershed
11-02-2006, 07:54 PM
In Soviet Russia apartment rents you
/ sorry, couldnt help it
// so ashamed of myself
TurkeyOnRye
11-02-2006, 08:23 PM
Wow... I leave for a couple of hours and I'm up to a 3 page thread. That's a first time for me on CAG... I've never started a topic that has gotten this big. Woo-hoo!
I'm not going to live at that apartment complex. No way. Like I said... I could have respected his honesty if would have said something straight up like "I don't think it's right for a couple to live together unmarried." Is it really any of his business? No. Not in the least. Jenn and I don't drink (sorry mykevermin, but we're over in the Eastern part anyways... where KY, OH, and WV meet, but thanks for the offer!), we don't smoke, we don't party, and we're both college educated, so it's not like we're going to rip his place apart. The fact that he already butted himself into our relationship doesn't make me too keen on trusting him to respect our privacy.
It's just that his logic is flawed. Being married doesn't mean a couple will be together for ever. Married couples break up. Married couple bicker and fight. Hell, it's possible he'd have a bigger mess with a married couple breaking up than an unmarried couple.
I also felt like it was a slap in the face when he said go ahead and get married and then I'll show you the apartment. Yeah, I'm going to rush out tomorrow to the same-day wedding store in town and get hitched so you can show us the apartment.
Whoever said it doesn't have to do with religion has never been through Kentucky, let alone Eastern Kentucky. I guarantee you it was about this man's personal beliefs. That fact that a rushed marriage was apparently good enough for him tells me that. Who would you guys feel is a more steadfast couple? An unmarried couple who has been together for closing in on four years and has lived togehter in the past with no major problems, or a couple who rushed into getting married so they can get an apartment?
I think the whole point is that it wasn't just the no unmarried couples bit, it's a combination of everything he said during the conversation. It's a shame because Jenn and I pride ourselves on being good tenants and it's too bad for this guy that he's more likely to rent an apartment to a couple of guys who'd destroy the apartment in a drunken bender that to a nice quiet unmarried couple.
Discrimination or not... the whole thing has me pissed.
However, I did find a house while I was gone that I'm going to tour tomorrow at 1 p.m. before I go to work. $500 a month and $500 deposit, which is kinda steep, but it's right off a main road, 3 bedrooms and hardwood floors. Plus there's a place for my giant grill. It might be the one. Myke, if you're ever our way and this place works out... feel free to stop by on a Sunday or Monday for some HD football on the big screen. BYOB of course.
CocheseUGA
11-02-2006, 08:50 PM
Yeah, if your landlord is pissed, you're the last person he gets to when you have a problem. Or you might have a rash of "break ins".
Actually, retribution is specifically outlawed in Kentucky Code.
(I know, I read the whole damn section. :()
mykevermin
11-02-2006, 09:50 PM
Actually, retribution is specifically outlawed in Kentucky Code.
(I know, I read the whole damn section. :()
That's a shame, b/c an old landlord is one of roughly three people on the face of the planet who I wish physical harm upon.
depascal22
11-02-2006, 09:57 PM
Actually, retribution is specifically outlawed in Kentucky Code.
(I know, I read the whole damn section. :()
I know it's outlawed but it'd be pretty damn hard to prove it.
Apossum
11-02-2006, 10:04 PM
It's not discrimination? Why not?
because we don't know everything about the situation, though the guy does sound like a dick. it could be discrimination (reading Turkey's follow post made me realize I don't know anything about kentucky having never been there.) I just think it's silly to shout the word right away. I'm being a hypocrite though, so I'll stop posting now :lol:
mykevermin
11-02-2006, 10:08 PM
because we don't know everything about the situation, though the guy does sound like a dick. it could be discrimination (reading Turkey's follow post made me realize I don't know anything about kentucky having never been there.) I just think it's silly to shout the word right away. I'm being a hypocrite though, so I'll stop posting now :lol:
http://www.dack.com/images/weblog/makers-mark.jpg
http://www.roadsidenut.com/kfc1103.jpg
http://ecommerce.lcs.net/stores/collegiateweavers/prodimg/310m.jpg
Add crystal methamphetamine, and you know everything there is to about KY.
TurkeyOnRye
11-02-2006, 10:20 PM
Funny... I ate at the KFC buffet here before I went to that house. Nothing beats some KFC mashed potatoes and gravy and a biscuit.
Apossum
11-02-2006, 10:27 PM
*pics*
Add crystal methamphetamine, and you know everything there is to about KY.
so basically, it's kinda like heaven on earth minus legalized prostitution? :-k
mykevermin
11-02-2006, 10:29 PM
so basically, it's kinda like heaven on earth minus legalized prostitution? :-k
Do thoroughbred horses, Lee Majors, and ample tobacco make up for legalized prostitution?
TurkeyOnRye
11-02-2006, 10:34 PM
Do thoroughbred horses, Lee Majors, and ample tobacco make up for legalized prostitution?
Depends on how hot your sister is.
I totally saw Lee Majors in person this past May at my friend's EKU graduation. He was the guest speaker.
Apossum
11-02-2006, 10:38 PM
Do thoroughbred horses, Lee Majors, and ample tobacco make up for legalized prostitution?
only if it's all at once!