Having problems joining your friends games on XBL? Click Here to Fix it! V1.1

[pimpinc333]

Hello CAG's. I know some of you are having trouble joining friends while on Xbox Live. The reason? Your ports may not be open. Here is a simple guide on how to fix this slight problem so you can enjoying gaming with your friends without any of these "Connnection Problems". This guide is intended to make your NAT on your Xbox 360 go from Moderate or Worse to Open. Open being a very good thing.

~*~Making a Static IP Address on your Xbox 360~*~

Ok here you will need a some info from your computer. Go to Start<Run Then type in cmd and hit ok. In the DOS screen type ipconfig/all and hit enter. Now you will need to write down the: Subnet Mask, Gateway, and both DNS Servers. Also Write down the IP address for reference.

Ok Fire up the old Xbox 360 and head to the "System Blade". Go down to "Network Settings". Once there go to "Edit Settings". Now select the "IP Settings" Portion and choose manual. For IP Address Try and use something close to the IP Address from your Computer that you just wrote down. ( EX. mine is 192.168.1.103 for my computer, 192.168.1.100 is what I used for my 360. ) Take note of the IP Address you used since we will need it later on. Then Type in the Subnet Mask and Gateway using the info you just got from your computer. Click Done.

Now Choose the "DNS Settings" Portion. Choose Manual and Type in the DNS numbers you just wrote down from your computer. Click done when your done. You should be all set with a Static IP Address on your 360 Now. It may ask you to test Connection, Go ahead and do it. Your test should pass just fine. Now you're ready for the next step.

~*~Opening Up The Correct Ports -OR- Setting Up DMZ Hosting~*~

Either of these will work just fine. I suggest using the DMZ Hosting since it's a little bit easier/faster to do.

Open up your Internet Browser ( IE, Firefox, etc ) and type in your Router's Default Address. Should be: 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0 or 192.168.2.1 or 192.168.1.2 Something on the lines of these. Now Once you get to your Router's Home Page find something that says Port Forwarding/Enable Applications/ or something along those lines.
This will allow you to set the ports that need to be opened.

Here's the Ports you want to open:

UDP 88
UDP, TCP 3074

-OR-

Instead of opening up ports you can use "DMZ Hosting". Locate this somewhere in your routers options. This will ask you for a Host which would be your Xbox 360. Type in it's IP Address. **DO NOT use your Computers IP Address**. Use the Same IP Address you are using for your 360! Type that in there and enable or turn on DMZ Hosting for your Xbox 360's IP Address.

~*~ Now your Xbox 360 Should be fully open!~*~

Start Up your Xbox 360 and go to your Network Settings again. Go to Test Connection and let it run through. Your NAT should be "Open". If it says anything other then "Open" like Moderate or such you'll want to repeat this tutorial and choose a different IP Address for your Xbox 360. This may seem like a pain or a drag but trust me it's worth it and easier the second time around.

Good Luck! Any Question's Please PM me or Hit me up on AIM ( pimpinc333 )

Also Props go out to Murcielago77 for helping me with port forwarding earlier in my career ;)

~*~THE END~*~

[Tha Xecutioner]

nice thread pimp

[modium]

I can't help but think I had something to do with this. ;) Seriously though, thank you a ton for typing all of this up. And thanks again to Trakan for his quick responses.

My NAT was originally Open to begin with. Just in case, I set my router to open 88 and 3074. I'll see if I have any more problems down the line, and if I do, I'll give the static IP a shot.

Also, FWIW, my router is a D-Link DI-524 and to open the ports, I went to Advanced>Virtual Server, in case anybody else has this particular router.

[Scorch]

Think this would help with WMC and streaming music/pics to the 360? It worked fine, then all of the sudden just.. stopped working. May have been when we added the wireless network, but I still use the wired one for my 360.. so.. i dunno

[pimpinc333]

Think this would help with WMC and streaming music/pics to the 360? It worked fine, then all of the sudden just.. stopped working. May have been when we added the wireless network, but I still use the wired one for my 360.. so.. i dunno

It could be a problem. Every IP Address on your Router will change. It may not change daily, but it could change every 2 or 3 days or maybe even weekly. Setting up a static IP Address on your Xbox 360 will never let the IP Address on it change at all. So if you getting Open connections using 192.168.1.1 you want to keep it that way. I'd use this to try and pin point which IP Address works the best with Xbox 360 meaning giving you an open connection.

[Trakan]

I can't help but think I had something to do with this. ;) Seriously though, thank you a ton for typing all of this up. And thanks again to Trakan for his quick responses.

My NAT was originally Open to begin with. Just in case, I set my router to open 88 and 3074. I'll see if I have any more problems down the line, and if I do, I'll give the static IP a shot.

Also, FWIW, my router is a D-Link DI-524 and to open the ports, I went to Advanced>Virtual Server, in case anybody else has this particular router.

No prob. Make sure you do both TCP and UDP. Your question made me think of asking Pimp to make this on AIM, heh. I'm glad he did. Should help a bunch of people.

D-Links are known to have problems with XBL, at least in my experience.

[pimpinc333]

nice thread pimp

Thanks X-Dude! Maybe you can link this thread in your Xbox 360 Guide and FAQ ;)

[daphatty]

May I clarify something?

Placing your Xbox in the DMZ is essentially the same as opening ports in a firewall except you've removed the restrictions on all the ports rather than only the ones you intended. Any device on the DMZ is on the outside of the firewall and therefore not subject to port restrictions.

From personal experience, I have found that placing the 360 in the DMZ is better than simply opening ports but I'm certain each person's experience will be different based on the type of router equipment being used.

EDIT: I agree with Trakan. I've used two different D-Link routers with my 360 (one was 360 "certified") and both cause connection issues until I placed the 360 on the DMZ.

[mr ryles]

It may not be that confusing, at least it wasn't for me. When saints row came out and I couldn't get int the room zew gave me some sort of an idea of what to do, but I didn't get much out of it. All I did though was look at my 360's IP address, then go to my 192.168.1.1 go to the dmz thing enter the 360's IP address and enable it. I have had no problems since.

Sorry I'm no help there, but simply, take your 360 IP snd put it in the DMZ and enable it. maybe you'll get lucky and it will work out.

*edit*
mine is also d-link

[pimpinc333]

May I clarify something?

Placing your Xbox in the DMZ is essentially the same as opening ports in a firewall except you've removed the restrictions on all the ports rather than only the ones you intended. Any device on the DMZ is on the outside of the firewall and therefore not subject to port restrictions.

From personal experience, I have found that placing the 360 in the DMZ is better than simply opening ports but I'm certain each person's experience will be different based on the type of router equipment being used.

EDIT: I agree with Trakan. I've used two different D-Link routers with my 360 (one was 360 "certified") and both cause connection issues until I placed the 360 on the DMZ.

Yep. I do both though just incase ;)

[thrustbucket]

May I clarify something?

Placing your Xbox in the DMZ is essentially the same as opening ports in a firewall except you've removed the restrictions on all the ports rather than only the ones you intended.

That's true, it's redundant. Your essentially opening two specific ports, and then to make it DMZ you are opening every port anyway.

[pimpinc333]

That's true, it's redundant. Your essentially opening two specific ports, and then to make it DMZ you are opening every port anyway.
Just make sure you set a Static IP. If you don't and your IP changes on your computer to what your 360's IP was then your computer will be out of the firewall and no one wants that.

[LinkinPrime]

Nice :applause: this should be stickied or added to the XBOX 360 thread for newbs

[Tha Xecutioner]

I will gladly add it later today if I can put Gears of War down. Pimp, lemme know if you just want me to link it or put that whole OP in the thread.

[pimpinc333]

I will gladly add it later today if I can put Gears of War down. Pimp, lemme know if you just want me to link it or put that whole OP in the thread.

I don't mind. Whatever you feel is better, I'll go with it. Thanks.

[guyver2077]

did this some time ago.. couldnt join sessions before it

[PyroGamer]

I can't help but think I had something to do with this. ;) Seriously though, thank you a ton for typing all of this up. And thanks again to Trakan for his quick responses.

My NAT was originally Open to begin with. Just in case, I set my router to open 88 and 3074. I'll see if I have any more problems down the line, and if I do, I'll give the static IP a shot.

Also, FWIW, my router is a D-Link DI-524 and to open the ports, I went to Advanced>Virtual Server, in case anybody else has this particular router.
I had so many problems with that router, I thought it was a piece of shit. Turned out I had some settings wrong with my router connection to my modem and all sorts of confusing stuff that I had to become an expert at to fix.

Now the router has been running strong for three months, no problem. Thank you BF 2004! (or was it 2003?)


My NAT was "Open" as well. I'm not going to mess with the ports yet.

[lyric706]

I couldn't figure out how to do the Port Forwarding with my router (DI-524), so I just did the DMZ thing with my 360's IP address. Seems to be working, but I'm an idiot at this stuff. Is there something else I need to do?

[Ultimate Matt X]

www.portforward.com is also a good reference for this type of thing.

[pimpinc333]

I couldn't figure out how to do the Port Forwarding with my router (DI-524), so I just did the DMZ thing with my 360's IP address. Seems to be working, but I'm an idiot at this stuff. Is there something else I need to do?

You pretty much just want to create a Static IP Address then do the DMZ hosting. You should have a Open connection. If not try an different IP Address for your 360.

[M1C13]

ok, I think I missed something. I have been trying to get into some games of Call of Duty 3, so I did the network test and my NAT says "OPEN" but I thought I would try it anyway thinking it couldn't hurt. I went through all the steps of making a static IP and then of opening ports and enabling DMZ. Now the test says moderate every time and I have tried removing the port openings and jsut using the DMZ also I have changed my Static IP many times.

[pimpinc333]

ok, I think I missed something. I have been trying to get into some games of Call of Duty 3, so I did the network test and my NAT says "OPEN" but I thought I would try it anyway thinking it couldn't hurt. I went through all the steps of making a static IP and then of opening ports and enabling DMZ. Now the test says moderate every time and I have tried removing the port openings and jsut using the DMZ also I have changed my Static IP many times.

To me it sounds like you need a IP Add sweet spot. Just keep tring different combos. 192.168.1.100 ....... 192.168.1.101. ......... 192.168.2.100 anything close and keep your numbers close dont go too off the wall. You shoud hit a good one.

[M1C13]

To me it sounds like you need a IP Add sweet spot. Just keep tring different combos. 192.168.1.100 ....... 192.168.1.101. ......... 192.168.2.100 anything close and keep your numbers close dont go too off the wall. You shoud hit a good one.
alright 1.100 worked thanks

[CaseyRyback]

Thanks for posting this. I screwed around some earlier and have yet to fix the drops, but hopefully playing around with it a little more will.

[pimpinc333]

Thanks for posting this. I screwed around some earlier and have yet to fix the drops, but hopefully playing around with it a little more will.

No problem. Good Luck Bro.

[jrutz]

Just remember for those running dynamic IPs - if you have UPnP set to enabled on your router, it will allow applications to open ports as necessary so you don't have to mess with port forwarding if you don't want.

Jeremy

[slickkill77]

It turns out i just needed to update the firmware on my router. I think after the update microsoft required the new firmware....idk but my old firmare was from like 2001 or 2003

[Sockey]

Ive been trying to get my NAT to OPEN for awhile now. Ive tried several static IPs and have opened their DMZ but it always stays moderate. I think my router, U.S. Robotics Wireless MAXg Router (USR5461), is the problem. Anybody have any ideas?

[pimpinc333]

Ive been trying to get my NAT to OPEN for awhile now. Ive tried several static IPs and have opened their DMZ but it always stays moderate. I think my router, U.S. Robotics Wireless MAXg Router (USR5461), is the problem. Anybody have any ideas?

Keep tring different Ip Ad's. Once you've tried 20 without luck then seek extra help.

[Tebunker]

I got an open NAT without a static IP, but i had two ports open on my router. What, if any, are the drawbacks to opening ports for forwarding?

Unfortunately I am on a wireless network, G, running through 2 walls. I get a pretty good connection but not the best.

[pimpinc333]

I got an open NAT without a static IP, but i had two ports open on my router. What, if any, are the drawbacks to opening ports for forwarding?

Unfortunately I am on a wireless network, G, running through 2 walls. I get a pretty good connection but not the best.

Well without a static address on your Xbox 360 that means your router can change the IP address on that. I'm not too sure if there are any drawbacks on opening ports besides hackers being able to get in from those open ports.

Thats why you need to set up a static address on your 360 so it will never change its IP add.

[CYRiX]

Note: If your router's "homepage" has a link that displays attached devices that will really narrow down your ip address to try.

[CaseyRyback]

I think my problem was out of date router firmware. Thanks OP for giving me the initiative to try and solve the problem.

[Spybreak8]

Well so the first time I did this I failed on the DNS so I changed my xbox 360 to a different IP and then everything passed and instead of Strict under NAT I got Moderate. So the test to live passed with flying colors but I tried the media connectoin test again and It still didn't work, failed on PC Selected. I have windows media 11 and I have shared my device. I'm using a Linksys WRT54GL Wireless Router but everything is hooked up, the wireless is for my ds^^ I occasionally couldnt join invites or lost connections in games but it wasnt a big problem, we'll see how it goes now. If you coulld help me with the media connection, you could just pm me thanks.

[slickkill77]

I have never had this problem until the update and cod3. Did they require updated firmwares with the update or something

[M1C13]

well now I have an OPEN NAT and I still can't join any games in Call of Duty 3. I have 3 friends in three different games and I can't join any of them.

[daphatty]

well now I have an OPEN NAT and I still can't join any games in Call of Duty 3. I have 3 friends in three different games and I can't join any of them.

Are they sending YOU an invite?

[M1C13]

Are they sending YOU an invite?
no i never thought of that.... of course they are sending me invites. Also I can't join quick match and custom match is empty. It all worked yesterday after going through all the steps and now it doesn't.

I mean if no game sessions are available shouldn't that come right after searching.... and not joining...

[Trakan]

If your NAT is open and the correct ports are forwarded then it's not you. It's your friend(s).

[M1C13]

the best part is when I was doing the static IP and port fowarding it would say OPEN on one test and Moderate on the next and when I do automatic everything it says OPEN everytime, now for the MP test........... "No game sessions availab.... and now it just through me in a game, this is messed up.

[daphatty]

no i never thought of that.... of course they are sending me invites.

Well, I'm not a mind reader pal. I was genuinely trying to help you and needed clarification on that one simple point which you neglected to mention.

[Chris Dillon]

tagged if i ever have the problem

[Chris Dillon]

Question. I have a computer that is directly connected to my router and a laptop thats next to my 360 on the same network. Can I use any computer on the network or the one directly connected to the router. I really want the laptop to be able to directly connect to the xbox 360 so I can have my music on it.

[MemphisGun]

Man this is too hard i don't understand what "Open up your Internet Browser ( IE, Firefox, etc ) and type in your Router's Default Address. Should be: 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0 or 192.168.2.1 or 192.168.1.2 Something on the lines of these. Now Once you get to your Router's Home Page find something that says Port Forwarding/Enable Applications/ or something along those lines.
This will allow you to set the ports that need to be opened." means

[mick16]

Try this. Look up your router model and then go to this website:

http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm

Click on your router model and then click on Xbox Live 360 from the menu and follow the step by step instructions. This will give you step by step instructions on how to set up the port forwarding.

[CYRiX]

While this has been around for sometime, it still doesn't help me out :\

[MemphisGun]

Man everyones saying the same thing! i dont know my router model and i dont know what "Xbox Live 360 from the menu" means... someone help me!!!!

[MemphisGun]

DID EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE LAST STEP. STILL STRICT. screw it ill just call 1-800-4my-xbox in the morning.

[pimpinc333]

Man everyones saying the same thing! i dont know my router model and i dont know what "Xbox Live 360 from the menu" means... someone help me!!!!

How don't you know your router model number? Flip it over and look on the bottom of it.......is that really too hard?

[pimpinc333]

Memphis if you need help. Jump on AIM and IM me.....pimpinc333 is my AIM name......I'll try to help you a bit later. I just got home from work so i'm gona eat then shower.

[SteveMcQ]

In layman's terms, what does enabling DMZ hosting do? I've had that set to off and I haven't had any problems. I just set up a static IP for my 360, though, so is it absolutely necessary to enable it?

BTW, pimpin, this part's wording is slightly confusing, though I did get it to work anyway:


Also while you are here you will want to set your "DMZ Hosting". Locate this somewhere in your routers options. This will ask you for a Host which would be your Xbox 360. Type in it's IP Address. **DO NOT use your Computers IP Address**. Use the IP Address you used in the first part of this tutorial, you know the one I told you to write down. Type that in there and enable or turn on DMZ Hosting for your Xbox 360's IP Address.The sentences preceding and following the bolded one puts me under the assumption that I should place the IP of the 360 in the DMZ hosting box. But then in the bolded sentence, you reference to the IP address you instruct them to write down from the first part, which would be the PC's IP address.

[pimpinc333]

In layman's terms, what does enabling DMZ hosting do? I've had that set to off and I haven't had any problems. I just set up a static IP for my 360, though, so is it absolutely necessary to enable it?

BTW, pimpin, this part's wording is slightly confusing, though I did get it to work anyway:

The sentences preceding and following the bolded one puts me under the assumption that I should place the IP of the 360 in the DMZ hosting box. But then in the bolded sentence, you reference to the IP address you instruct them to write down from the first part, which would be the PC's IP address.
Basically Enabling DMZ on your 360's IP Add will put your 360 on the outside of any firewalls thus not needing to do any port forwarding. You can basically do one or the other. If Port Forwarding doesn't work, use DMZ hosting and that should take care of any problems.

Ok I fixed that part to be a little less confusing but in my second paragraph I say take note of the 360 IP address for reference. But I also say take note or all your PC setting in the first paragraph. I see where the confusion was. Thanks.

[RudyPants]

DID EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE LAST STEP. STILL STRICT. screw it ill just call 1-800-4my-xbox in the morning.

Hopefully you don't have one of the newer routers Comcast has been issuing as of late - the ones with built-in wireless.

My friend bought a 360 and absolutely couldn't open his ports because of the firewall. The poor guy spent $500 on a Costco Premium bundle and had to take it back and a week of Xbox Live going in and out.

Good luck, Memphis.

[SteveMcQ]

Basically Enabling DMZ on your 360's IP Add will put your 360 on the outside of any firewalls thus not needing to do any port forwarding. You can basically do one or the other. If Port Forwarding doesn't work, use DMZ hosting and that should take care of any problems.

Ok I fixed that part to be a little less confusing but in my second paragraph I say take note of the 360 IP address for reference. But I also say take note or all your PC setting in the first paragraph. I see where the confusion was. Thanks.So if I'm not having any problems connecting to Live and my friends, I should just go with port forwarding and keep DMZ disabled? Which is the "safer" option since port forwarding seems to work for me.

BTW, excellent FAQ. Thanks.

[pimpinc333]

So if I'm not having any problems connecting to Live and my friends, I should just go with port forwarding and keep DMZ disabled? Which is the "safer" option since port forwarding seems to work for me.

BTW, excellent FAQ. Thanks.

They are both safe. As long as you use your 360's IP address for DMZ nothing can happen.

[MemphisGun]

When I get a static IP will the NAT still stay strict? someone help me...please.

[masked lemon]

I'm having problems connecting with friends. I use a workgroup switch, and do not know what to do to change my NAT settings. Please help me.

[bobthecat23]

wow all i needed to do is go into my routers settings and open the nat damn this makes it soo much harder

[mick16]

I know you probably won't like the answer, but the only way that you can 100% guarantee that your router will work is to make sure that you buy a Xbox Live Compatible router.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/homenetworking/equipment.htm

I had a Belkin Pre-N Wireless router and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to change from NAT strict as it wouldn't allow me to open the proper ports. So I broke down and bought a D-Link DI-634M wireless router which I knew was compatible and haven't had any problems since.

[MemphisGun]

Called Netgear up and the fixed it.

[AdvOfJet]

I am having trouble getting setup with the wireless adapter to get on XBOX Live.

Everything passes the test with the configuration except for the NAT which shows up STRICT.

I have assisgned a static IP Address and forwarded ports 88, 2074, and 3074 which were listed on the Xbox forums. This has not helped at all and it is still showing STRICT during the tests.

Does anyone know anything else that I could try that might helpout any ?

I am using a Belkin F5D8233-4 Wireless N Router which works perfectly with every other wireless device I have.

[Mechafenris]

I just threw my Xbox outside the router on my DMZ... seemed to fix any problems I had...

[AdvOfJet]

I just threw my Xbox outside the router on my DMZ... seemed to fix any problems I had...
I forgot to mention, that was actually the first thing I tried. When I set the IP to the DMZ, the 360 would not connect at all due to failing the MTU portion of the test.

Ok now a whole new set of problems. I finally got the wireless adapter to work when added to the DMZ list. Problem is, whenever I have the DMZ enabled, I cannot get any Web pages pulled up on my normal computer which is on a wired connection to the adapter. Between the MS Adapter and My Router.... I am going crazy.

[CappyCobra]

UDP 88, UDP 3074, and TCP 3074

UDP AND TCP should be open for port 3074

If that doesnt work, I would have said update your firmware, but your router is either so new or just not supported anymore. FYI for future purchases, I would go with a Linksys, Netgear, or a Buffalo router.

[seen]

it may be your internet modem as well. I have had similar issues only to find it was my dsl modem making the nat strict.

[radjago]

I'm having problems connecting with friends. I use a workgroup switch, and do not know what to do to change my NAT settings. Please help me.
If you're using a switch and not a router, it likely won't do Network Address Translation (NAT), so there's nothing to set. What brand and model is it?

Also, putting your 360 in the DMZ could be bad for a number of reasons. For one, if it is a true DMZ, then it means that only external traffic will be forwarded to the internal network, meaning your 360 may be unable to access the local network, i.e. your computer with all your music, pictures, and videos. Luckily most consumer-grade routers do not implement a true DMZ and merely open all ports to that IP or forward all external traffic to that IP. Many routers only offer the DMZ to one IP, so if you have any other need for a DMZ (and if you do, you probably already know way more than I could explain here) like running a web filter, then you could be out of luck.

Plus God forbid if hackers learned to exploit the 360 somehow, it would be left totally unprotected from an attack.

[AdvOfJet]

It's not my modem. If the 360 is hardwired to the router, the NAT is set to open. The same if I setup the static IP and put it in the routers DMZ, which would be acceptable to me using this method.

My problem now is that if I add the IP for the 360 to the DMZ on the router, nothing else attached to the router can access the internet. I guess it's not really a big deal to flip the DMZ switch on the router back and forth since I never use them both at the same time; it just seems like that's more work than should be required.

[daphatty]

It's not my modem. If the 360 is hardwired to the router, the NAT is set to open. The same if I setup the static IP and put it in the routers DMZ, which would be acceptable to me using this method.

My problem now is that if I add the IP for the 360 to the DMZ on the router, nothing else attached to the router can access the internet. I guess it's not really a big deal to flip the DMZ switch on the router back and forth since I never use them both at the same time; it just seems like that's more work than should be required.

While I am slightly inclined to blame the router as being faulty, I can't help but think the router is not configured properly. Have you tried resetting the router to factory defaults and then testing the connection to XBL methodically after EACH and EVERY change to the router settings? Hell, just test the darned thing after restoring the factory defaults and see what happens...

[AdvOfJet]

While I am slightly inclined to blame the router as being faulty, I can't help but think the router is not configured properly. Have you tried resetting the router to factory defaults and then testing the connection to XBL methodically after EACH and EVERY change to the router settings? Hell, just test the darned thing after restoring the factory defaults and see what happens...

Yeah I am going to give that a try one last time before breaking down and getting another router. I have had the worst luck with wireless routers. I had a Netgear and a Linksys that both started to fail within the first year. Thought I would try a different brand and it just fails to work well period.

[daphatty]

Yeah I am going to give that a try one last time before breaking down and getting another router. I have had the worst luck with wireless routers. I had a Netgear and a Linksys that both started to fail within the first year. Thought I would try a different brand and it just fails to work well period.

If you do end up going that route, I'd recommend Buffalo. I bought one on a whim (cheap price at Best Buy) and I absolutely love it. I even went so far as to install an open source firmware (the default firmware is quite cumbersome to navigate) and the thing works even better! At any rate, good luck man.

[shrike4242]

I've never had any issues with my 360 and my Linksys WRT54G. Somewhere along the way I'll toss the DD-WRT FW on it and I'm sure it'll be even better.

Though, I'd put in a cautious nod towards Buffalo, as their tech support aren't always the sharpest knives in the drawer. I'd stay well away from D-Link, as they're complete fucktards. Linksys would be my preference.

[daphatty]

I've never had any issues with my 360 and my Linksys WRT54G. Somewhere along the way I'll toss the DD-WRT FW on it and I'm sure it'll be even better.

Though, I'd put in a cautious nod towards Buffalo, as their tech support aren't always the sharpest knives in the drawer. I'd stay well away from D-Link, as they're complete fucktards. Linksys would be my preference.

I second D-Link as an unfavorable choice. I've owned three D-Link routers (two DI-524s and one DI-624) and only the DI-624 worked "satisfactorily." The 624 was far from perfect mind you but it was a big improvement over the 524s. I'm still trying to figure out why I bought the second 524 when I first arrived in Indonesia...

As for Buffalo Tech Support, I can't say I've ever dealt with them. (I'm a Microsoft Certified IT Tech for crying out loud. I wouldn't call them anyway!) But I can vouch for the routers being solid. I bought three of them (same model) and have WDS running in my apartment. Concrete walls ain't got shit on me!

BTW, I'm running the Tomato 1.07 firmware on my Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 routers in case you were wondering.

[shrike4242]

I second D-Link as an unfavorable choice. I've owned three D-Link routers (two DI-524s and one DI-624) and only the DI-624 worked "satisfactorily." The 624 was far from perfect mind you but it was a big improvement over the 524s. I'm still trying to figure out why I bought the second 524 when I first arrived in Indonesia...

As for Buffalo Tech Support, I can't say I've ever dealt with them. (I'm a Microsoft Certified IT Tech for crying out loud. I wouldn't call them anyway!) But I can vouch for the routers being solid. I bought three of them (same model) and have WDS running in my apartment. Concrete walls ain't got shit on me!

BTW, I'm running the Tomato 1.07 firmware on my Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 routers in case you were wondering.I spent six months trying to get one of D-Link's routers and two of their AP's to work together to do bridging, and it was a complete fuck-up. Spent six months dealing with it, and finally had both companies I bought the equipment from begrudingly take it back.

Buffalo's Tech Support makes you jump through some hoops in getting equipment replaced, which is a main issue I have with them. Plus, their hold times can be a bit on the long side.

I'm not knocking their products, as I have a number of them at my work, though I'm just passing along my experiences with their tech support.

I have WDS running fine on my Linksys gear, and have multiple consoles all running through an AP, without any issues. Which is why I tossed it out there as a possible option.

[AdvOfJet]

I've never had any issues with my 360 and my Linksys WRT54G. Somewhere along the way I'll toss the DD-WRT FW on it and I'm sure it'll be even better.

Though, I'd put in a cautious nod towards Buffalo, as their tech support aren't always the sharpest knives in the drawer. I'd stay well away from D-Link, as they're complete fucktards. Linksys would be my preference.

I was thinking about getting the WRT54GS; however on the Microsoft Web site, it shows only version 2.0 being compatible out of the box and it seems most retailers carry version 4.0 or 5.0. I have no idea what the difference is in the version, but have seen many claims of people still having NAT issues with the v4 and v5.

[shrike4242]

I was thinking about getting the WRT54GS; however on the Microsoft Web site, it shows only version 2.0 being compatible out of the box and it seems most retailers carry version 4.0 or 5.0. I have no idea what the difference is in the version, but have seen many claims of people still having NAT issues with the v4 and v5.I think the version of the WRT54G I have is 2.0 or 2.1, so if they changed it, that might be some of the possible issues.

Putting the DD-WRT open source FW on it, or one of the other ones, might be a way around that issue.

[Ma12kez]

Sweet! Thanks pimpin, my NAT seems to be open for now!

[vpr]

I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been stated, but you can also use your router to setup a static IP using the 360's MAC Address.

Turn 360 On
System Blade
Network Settings
Edit Settings
Additional Settings (push right on the stick)
Choose Advanced Settings
At the bottom it will say "Wired MAC Address [number/letters]" Write down that alphanumeric string.

Go to your routers page in a browser (Ie/firefox/etc) usually 192.168.0.1 or something like that

Somewhere you should find an option for DHCP - I'd post screenshots, but my router uses Chinese characters (I'm living in China at the moment) so I don't think you'd be able to understand.

It should have an option to enter an ip address you want - this would be the static ip you want to assign to the 360. There should be a field to input the mac address - this is the alphanumeric string you wrote down. Mine has a place to label the dhcp - I simply called it XBox 360.

Then you can proceed to open the ports the same way.

I should also mention that I use http://www.OpenDNS.org for my dns servers, simply because they offer things that benefit me for normal web-browsing - I don't know how it effects Xbox Live as I haven't done any tests.

Just for fun I went ahead and applied the settings manually to the 360 as well, simply because I like manually inputting network settings then using automatic settings.

Feel free to add this to the main post if you feel so inclined, it doesn't matter to me :)

[Maklershed]

Excellent. Thanks for the guide. I was getting NAT warnings playing Halo 3. This opened me right up in about 10 minutes. Now maybe I can kill people easier. :lol:

[pimpinc333]

No Problem Guys :D

[senorwoohoo]

I'm still having trouble getting my Live to run smoothly. I have an open NAT but I am getting yellow-coded connections.

[pimpinc333]

I'm still having trouble getting my Live to run smoothly. I have an open NAT but I am getting yellow-coded connections.

What does yellow coded connections mean? Do you mean when you play Halo your connection is always int he yellow? If so then you need to get faster DSL/Cable internets or don't surf the web/download things while playing games ;)

[MemphisGun]

Alls I hads to do's was change my's DMZ. call your router company, much easier than doing it on your own!

[senorwoohoo]

What does yellow coded connections mean? Do you mean when you play Halo your connection is always int he yellow? If so then you need to get faster DSL/Cable internets or don't surf the web/download things while playing games ;)

I have Cable and I'm not downloading or on the web while playing.

[pimpinc333]

I have Cable and I'm not downloading or on the web while playing.

Am I right though about having yellow connection while playing Halo? I'm still a bit confused about the yellows connection thing. Please explain more.

[senorwoohoo]

Am I right though about having yellow connection while playing Halo? I'm still a bit confused about the yellows connection thing. Please explain more.

Yes, you were right about that, sorry I didn't make it clear.

[pimpinc333]

Yes, you were right about that, sorry I didn't make it clear.

Is everyone in yellow connection during your games or is it just you? If it's just you there is something wrong on your end. Cable Internet is a shared connection with everyone in your local block/area. During peak hours ( When everyone else is on the internet ) I could see you having a yellow connection. But during late night and such you shouldn't. You sure no one is stealing your internets and downloading shit?

[LinkinPrime]

ever since the last update, my NAT settings have defaulted to strict...I'll have to check my ports again to see WTF is up.

[pimpinc333]

ever since the last update, my NAT settings have defaulted to strict...I'll have to check my ports again to see WTF is up.

Yea the same happened with me also. I had to mess around with some DMZ settings and such to get it back at Open.

[senorwoohoo]

Is everyone in yellow connection during your games or is it just you? If it's just you there is something wrong on your end. Cable Internet is a shared connection with everyone in your local block/area. During peak hours ( When everyone else is on the internet ) I could see you having a yellow connection. But during late night and such you shouldn't. You sure no one is stealing your internets and downloading shit?

After posting about this in the OTT, I realized that it's probably because of my roommate who constantly has Azureus running. I'll just have to tell him to close it when he's not using his computer.

[pimpinc333]

After posting about this in the OTT, I realized that it's probably because of my roommate who constantly has Azureus running. I'll just have to tell him to close it when he's not using his computer.

Yep Torrents will kill online gaming.

[Viva Las Vegas]

I run into the not being able to join friends problem a decent amount. As a complete know-nothing about wireless networks (I did get one set up for my xbox - the stars were aligned I guess) if I follow these instructions and it doesn't work I assume I just set everything back to how it is and no problems? Is there any bad side effect for the computer that is wired to the router making these adjustments?
Any advice is appreciated. I still remember how many calls to India and the complete pain in the ass it was when I originally got it working.

[pimpinc333]

I run into the not being able to join friends problem a decent amount. As a complete know-nothing about wireless networks (I did get one set up for my xbox - the stars were aligned I guess) if I follow these instructions and it doesn't work I assume I just set everything back to how it is and no problems? Is there any bad side effect for the computer that is wired to the router making these adjustments?
Any advice is appreciated. I still remember how many calls to India and the complete pain in the ass it was when I originally got it working.

There are Zero Side Effects for your computer unless you accidentally put your Computers IP Address in the DMZ. Just make sure you put the Xbox 360 in the DMZ and everything should be fine and dandy.

[Viva Las Vegas]

Thanks! Soon as I have a chance I'll try it out.

[Viva Las Vegas]

OK, a couple questions regarding opening the ports up. I have a D-Link DI-514 router in case that matters. I am supposed to:
UDP 88
UDP, TCP 3074

but, on my applications page I have:
name__________
trigger port (space to enter stuff) - (space to enter stuff)
trigger type - drop down box where you can select TCP, UDP, or both
public port (big space to enter stuff)
public type - drop down box to select TCP, UDP, or both

so how do I get the UDP 88 and the UDP, TCP 3074 info in there correctly?

MANY thanks in advance!!!

[pimpinc333]

OK, a couple questions regarding opening the ports up. I have a D-Link DI-514 router in case that matters. I am supposed to:
UDP 88
UDP, TCP 3074

but, on my applications page I have:
name__________
trigger port (space to enter stuff) - (space to enter stuff)
trigger type - drop down box where you can select TCP, UDP, or both
public port (big space to enter stuff)
public type - drop down box to select TCP, UDP, or both

so how do I get the UDP 88 and the UDP, TCP 3074 info in there correctly?

MANY thanks in advance!!!

Skip that part for now and just do the DMZ Hosting. Find that on your router settings and put your 360's IP Add in there. Then you don't have to open any ports.

[Viva Las Vegas]

So far I have to keep changing my IP address as I keep getting "moderate", how many times do you usually have to try till you get an address that will give you "open"?
I've tried 6 different ones and still only get "moderate". Any suggestions/ideas?
Thanks as usual.

[pimpinc333]

So far I have to keep changing my IP address as I keep getting "moderate", how many times do you usually have to try till you get an address that will give you "open"?
I've tried 6 different ones and still only get "moderate". Any suggestions/ideas?
Thanks as usual.

There's really no real answer. You have to keep going until you get the Open NAT. Try to go in order or go with your favorite number and you may get lucky ;)

[Viva Las Vegas]

Thanks, I know you mentioned to keep it close to the IP of your computer, so if my computer IP ends in .100
I assume I should just go .101 .102 .103 etc until I get one that is "open"?
I stopped at .106 so I could play some games and I had no problem hosting some XBLA games but could not find a single game to join. I assume this is because of my current settings? I assume so since I tried several popular XBLA games.
Please let me know. Thanks.

[pimpinc333]

Thanks, I know you mentioned to keep it close to the IP of your computer, so if my computer IP ends in .100
I assume I should just go .101 .102 .103 etc until I get one that is "open"?
I stopped at .106 so I could play some games and I had no problem hosting some XBLA games but could not find a single game to join. I assume this is because of my current settings? I assume so since I tried several popular XBLA games.
Please let me know. Thanks.

Yep you have the right idea. You should still be able to find some games while in moderate. Do you have Halo 3? If so then try that.

[BackInBlack]

So far I have to keep changing my IP address as I keep getting "moderate", how many times do you usually have to try till you get an address that will give you "open"?
I've tried 6 different ones and still only get "moderate". Any suggestions/ideas?
Thanks as usual.

Check the DHCP range of your router, do NOT make the static ip of ur xbox 360 within that range. The DHCP assigns ip addresses to whatever hardware is connected to your router whenever it is turned on. If your Xbox 360's ip is changed everytime you use it the settings you manually set on it will not work the next time you use it.

[Viva Las Vegas]

I checked my DHCP and it has a range of .100 - .199, so I assume now that I should set my 360 to end at .200 and start from there to get "open", correct?

[pimpinc333]

I checked my DHCP and it has a range of .100 - .199, so I assume now that I should set my 360 to end at .200 and start from there to get "open", correct?

Yes.

[radjago]

Check the DHCP range of your router, do NOT make the static ip of ur xbox 360 within that range. The DHCP assigns ip addresses to whatever hardware is connected to your router whenever it is turned on. If your Xbox 360's ip is changed everytime you use it the settings you manually set on it will not work the next time you use it.
I have the IP for my 360 reserved by MAC address, so it will always get the same IP unless I change the MAC address on my 360. Any ports I forward to the 360 will always be sent to that static IP. If you do it that way, the router will not assign that IP to any other client, whether the reserved IP is in or out of the DHCP range. Also, it's good practice for opening ports for applications that need specific ports open. You can't just put everything out on the DMZ.

[BackInBlack]

I have the IP for my 360 reserved by MAC address, so it will always get the same IP unless I change the MAC address on my 360. Any ports I forward to the 360 will always be sent to that static IP. If you do it that way, the router will not assign that IP to any other client, whether the reserved IP is in or out of the DHCP range. Also, it's good practice for opening ports for applications that need specific ports open. You can't just put everything out on the DMZ.

So all i would need to do is a "ADD DHCP Reservation"...and would only need to add a reservation not taken and make a new ip for my 360 within the range of my DHCP and input my 360's mac address? Maybe this kind of thing should go in the OP so we are ALL more secure. So after that, it is ok to have ur 360's ip in the DMZ?

[Viva Las Vegas]

OK, since my DHCP is .100-.199 I tried starting at .200 and it got worse, went from "moderate" to strict" and I tried all kinds of other combos and still "strict". Now I have no idea. Any suggestions???

I set my system back to the auto detection and my NAT is "open" even though I have trouble joining a few friends at times.

[soccerstud652]

Been having bad lag in Halo 3 and I never opened my ports...

Does anyone have detailed information for the exact things that need to be entered for a Linksys WRT54G router?

What do I type under:

http://tommccann.net/live/images/WRT54G4.jpg

The application name? The start and end? Both or the other options? The last number of the IP addy? And do I click enable? Thanks VERY MUCH!

[pimpinc333]

Been having bad lag in Halo 3 and I never opened my ports...

Does anyone have detailed information for the exact things that need to be entered for a Linksys WRT54G router?

What do I type under:

http://tommccann.net/live/images/WRT54G4.jpg

The application name? The start and end? Both or the other options? The last number of the IP addy? And do I click enable? Thanks VERY MUCH!

For you just click the DMZ Tab and input your 360's IP Address. Then test it to make sure you are open. This wouldn't be causing your lag though. You sure no one in the house is Downloading anything or no one else is on the internets looking at Myspace or anything to do that would take your bandwidth?

[soccerstud652]

I don't think so - no one os taking up bandwith.

Basically, sometimes I'll die in Halo 3, and then it will take me a few minutes to respawn, while everyone else continues to play. It has been pretty annoying, so I figured opening my ports couldn't hurt the situation.

What doe sthe DMZ tab do for me that the port opening won't? Or does the DMZ tab do both? And where do I find my 360's IP addy? In network settings on my 360?

[Rig]

I have always wanted to go back and set my game systems up for static routes.

Tried tonight, and have no problems getting the 360 configured, but I always get a Moderate NAT. When keeping the DHCP routes, my NAT is always open.

Guess I will stick with what works.

[BackInBlack]

I don't if anyone else has hear of this site, but Portwardward.com is an excellent tool, you can search for your router and it shows you how configure it to port forward for any game/xbl. http://www.portforward.com/default.htm its a great site, maybe should go in OP so people don't have to ask for help with specific routers?

[DesertEagleXIX]

Great thread.

[soccerstud652]

Ok, here is the process I used. I haven't had a chance to test it on my 360 to see if it made a difference in reducing lag on my end (red bars -- I'll die in Halo 3, and then it will take me a few minutes to respawn while I look at the death screen).

I am referencing the Linksys WRT54g picture (http://tommccann.net/live/images/WRT54G4.jpg)in my previous post.

1. Create a static IP (see first post in thread for easy instructions).
2. Under "Application Name" just type Xbox3601 and Xbox 3602.
3. For "Start and End" type 88 to 88 and 3074 to 3074.
4. For protocall, keep "both" highlighted.
5. Type in the last few numbers from the static IP you found in the first step.
6. Click "enable."

My question is, what does DMZ hosting do for you compared to this? Should I do both? All I do is enter my xbox 360's Ip address in the DMZ hosting section?

Also, if forwarding ports and DMZ necessary for lag problems, or just a connection problem? After I figured out the Static IP using step on of the first post, is that also my 360's ip address...so the static ip of the 360 = its new ip address?

[pimpinc333]

Ok, here is the process I used. I haven't had a chance to test it on my 360 to see if it made a difference in reducing lag on my end (red bars -- I'll die in Halo 3, and then it will take me a few minutes to respawn while I look at the death screen).

I am referencing the Linksys WRT54g picture (http://tommccann.net/live/images/WRT54G4.jpg)in my previous post.

1. Create a static IP (see first post in thread for easy instructions).
2. Under "Application Name" just type Xbox3601 and Xbox 3602.
3. For "Start and End" type 88 to 88 and 3074 to 3074.
4. For protocall, keep "both" highlighted.
5. Type in the last few numbers from the static IP you found in the first step.
6. Click "enable."

My question is, what does DMZ hosting do for you compared to this? Should I do both? All I do is enter my xbox 360's Ip address in the DMZ hosting section?

Also, if forwarding ports and DMZ necessary for lag problems, or just a connection problem? After I figured out the Static IP using step on of the first post, is that also my 360's ip address...so the static ip of the 360 = its new ip address?

Just use DMZ. It's faster and easier and works the same. This will only help with connection issues, not lag issues. Make sure you're using your security on your wireless network also, so no one is stealing your internets. Other then that and what I mentioned before I'm not too sure what would be causing your lag problem.

[soccerstud652]

Just use DMZ. It's faster and easier and works the same. This will only help with connection issues, not lag issues. Make sure you're using your security on your wireless network also, so no one is stealing your internets. Other then that and what I mentioned before I'm not too sure what would be causing your lag problem.

If it won't help the lag, I'll undo everything. Thanks for the help Pmpin, I really appreciate it.

[Mattte]

So is there any reason that my NAT would switch from Open to Strict?

I've got the ports forwarded..DMZ set..and the right IPs for everything. Found something about disablin UPnP and that didn't work either.

Anyone have this happen before?

[pimpinc333]

So is there any reason that my NAT would switch from Open to Strict?

I've got the ports forwarded..DMZ set..and the right IPs for everything. Found something about disablin UPnP and that didn't work either.

Anyone have this happen before?

I did. It happened that one day MS screwed with Xbox Live. A lot of people shit went from Open to strict. Just retry putting a DMZ Hosting in or try a new IP add.

[vpr]

I think it's bad practice to suggest people setting up DMZ without warning them that this will leave whatever device is on the DMZ naked to the internet. Since it's only an XBox 360, in theory, it should be fine. If there are ever exploits developed for it, you might have some problems.

I'd never set my PC up on a DMZ as an example.

Just my .02 cents.

[pimpinc333]

I think it's bad practice to suggest people setting up DMZ without warning them that this will leave whatever device is on the DMZ naked to the internet. Since it's only an XBox 360, in theory, it should be fine. If there are ever exploits developed for it, you might have some problems.

I'd never set my PC up on a DMZ as an example.

Just my .02 cents.

Good for you. Thats a PC though not a 360 ;) I'd never set my PC as a DMZ also but for the 360 it's ok.

[vpr]

Good for you. Thats a PC though not a 360 ;) I'd never set my PC as a DMZ also but for the 360 it's ok.

Since it's only an XBox 360, in theory, it should be fine.

Perhaps you missed that part? Thanks. I just don't want people thinking that if there's a problem with something else down the line, it's okay to set it as DMZ because it's "easy." Say if they ever play a PC game and it doesn't work. That is all I'm saying.

[pimpinc333]

Perhaps you missed that part? Thanks. I just don't want people thinking that if there's a problem with something else down the line, it's okay to set it as DMZ because it's "easy." Say if they ever play a PC game and it doesn't work. That is all I'm saying.

Perhaps you didn't read the thread. I pretty much covered not to use anything but your 360's IP address. Thanks Though ;)

This is from the OP.

"Also while you are here you will want to set your "DMZ Hosting". Locate this somewhere in your routers options. This will ask you for a Host which would be your Xbox 360. Type in it's IP Address. **DO NOT use your Computers IP Address**. Use the Same IP Address you are using for your 360! Type that in there and enable or turn on DMZ Hosting for your Xbox 360's IP Address."

[walletandgromice]

I'm a little uncomfortable setting up any machine as a DMZ in my network let alone a machine I can't administer or update at all. Do we know if there are any potential security risks from having the 360 out in the open?

That said, thanks for this thread. Strangely I didn't know I was having problems as online games did work for the most part. I just made the port forwarding changes described and went from being able to find maybe 1 multiplayer game every 3 minutes to finding games quickly, every time.

Thanks!


This is from the OP.

"Also while you are here you will want to set your "DMZ Hosting". Locate this somewhere in your routers options. This will ask you for a Host which would be your Xbox 360. Type in it's IP Address. **DO NOT use your Computers IP Address**. Use the Same IP Address you are using for your 360! Type that in there and enable or turn on DMZ Hosting for your Xbox 360's IP Address."

[musha666]

Great post. Thanks.

[masked lemon]

Alright...


I have a Linksys WRT54G Ver. 6 router. I have done every single step on all 3 pages here, and on portforwarding.com. I have gone through this process with Linksys tech support, and now I ask you, fellow CAG's. Why in the fuck can I not get my NAT to go to Open? No matter what I do, no matter how many different IP's I try, I get Moderate.


How do I check my DHCP range? Maybe I just keep putting in IP's that are in that range... I am at a loss now. Please help. Thank you.

[AshesofWake]

is it possible to have multiple 360's on one router. The dude that owns our router says we can't because both 360's will use the same open port, but i need my fucking open NAT so i can play my god damn games argh

[pimpinc333]

Ashes that I'm not too sure of. Did you set your Xbox 360's IP to the DMZ or is his on it? IF one of you does the DMZ and the other uses the port forwarding technique then it is possible to have both 360's on with an Open NAT.

[shrike4242]

Alright...


I have a Linksys WRT54G Ver. 6 router. I have done every single step on all 3 pages here, and on portforwarding.com. I have gone through this process with Linksys tech support, and now I ask you, fellow CAG's. Why in the fuck can I not get my NAT to go to Open? No matter what I do, no matter how many different IP's I try, I get Moderate.


How do I check my DHCP range? Maybe I just keep putting in IP's that are in that range... I am at a loss now. Please help. Thank you.Normally, Linksys sets up 100 IP addresses from 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.199 as its DHCP range. My 360 is living with an IP address under the bottom of that range without any issue.

Try doing port forwarding to that static IP address and see if you can get it to go Open for the NAT.

[regaz999]

see my problem is that i have a xbox 360 which its live is down due to the fact that the MTU what ever that is is broken i was wondering if anyone had any advice to help me with this problem such as how to change the MTU or something like that dearly appreciate it if you do :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[SteveMcQ]

Hey pimpin, I'm trying to set up my second 360 with a wireless bridge. For the port forwarding sections, in my router settings, I don't have any more slots to individually open up those ports with the IP of my other 360 (PS3 is taking up 6 slots that I need to open along with my other 360). So can I just use the same IP that my other 360 is using?

Would that be fine if I only have one console on and connected at a time, or will it cause problems?

[SteveMcQ]

So anyone able to figure out if there's a way to add additional Port Forwarding slots with your router? Or is it set at 10?

I've just set up my 2nd 360 via wireless, but the NAT is at Moderate 'cause 9/10 port forwarding slots are currently taken up by the other 360 and PS3.

[strey101]

thanks dude it worked

[pimpinc333]

thanks dude it worked

Good Stuff.

[pimpinc333]

Updated to V1.1! :D Random Fixes with Spelling and Making the guide a little easier to follow.

[life.exe]

is it possible to have multiple 360's on one router. The dude that owns our router says we can't because both 360's will use the same open port, but i need my fucking open NAT so i can play my god damn games argh

I have 2 on my router, and we play at the same time alot too.

[GLOCKGLOCK]

Hmm, my house is wired and I cannot get the NAT open on my 360. I did the static IP for my 360 and put it in the DMZ. I even tried to open up the individual ports, but I keep getting "Moderate" NAT on 360. I tried something similar with my PS3 and originally it was a Type 3 NAT and once I put it in the DMZ its Type 2. Maybe I will try a different IP address? Of course my router isn't covered on www.portforwarding.com WTF?

[Utilometor]

This is a tut for everyone who is using the Belkin F5D8233-4 v3 and can't get the DMZ to work without restricting internet access to everything else.
I have figured out a way to have the 360 pass the MTU test and for the router to allow internet access to the other computer/devices on your network.First off the firmware update for this router must be bugged, because every time you tell it to check for new firmware it says "There is no new firmware update available for this Router!" When in fact there is one. I think it has to do with how new the router is and a firmware date typo.

Heres how I went about fixing this:

Note: By downloading and installing firmware on your router you hereby take full responsibility for the outcome. In other words I am not responsible if you brick your router!!!

Step #1 Make sure you have the right version of router before you do this. If so Go to: http://http://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=F5D8233-4&aid=9101&scid=0 (http://http//www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=F5D8233-4&aid=9101&scid=0)
and download Version 3000 Firmware to and easy to find spot. I used the Desktop.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2141/downloadv3000oi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step #2 Before you install it, Back up your settings. Once that's done, update your firmware.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2787/firmwareupdatenh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step #3 *IMPORTANT STEP!* TURN OFF YOUR ROUTER'S UPnP. This will allow your Xbox360 to pass the MTU test.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1160/disableupnpfc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Step #4 Set up your Xbox 360 for a Static IP OUTSIDE the routers DHCP range!! The default of this router for me was 192.168.2.2 - 192.168.2.100. So you need to set it up anywhere from 192.168.2.101 and up

Step #5 Enter the Xbox's Ip into the DMZ of your router. click the enable box and apply changes.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3544/dmzinputcn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

There you have it! My Nat came out Moderate so it fixed it for the most part.

If this doesn't work you can try to go about getting open NAT by enabling UPnP and setting your xbox's ip and DNS to automatic. Be sure to turn the DMZ back to disabled. That's seemed to work for me.

Just as a safety measure I forwarded the ports for it as well.

Hope this helped.

[TehMuff1nM4n]

I have some kind of Netgear router. We just switched from a Linksys Router that worked fine... Don't ask why we switched because I don't know why. But now I can't join games such as Halo 3 and Rock Band. I can sign into Live and stuff and do leaderboards with Rock Band and stuff and even get into a group into Halo 3. But when the song or match begins to load up, it kicks me from Live and my router resets itself. I have tried many things, opening up my NAT and lots of wierd settings. My NAT is open now, but it still screws up. I can still join player matches in Gears, so I am beginning to think it is a disagreement with my router and the Live servers. Any ideas to fix this? I really want to play Rock Band online! :cry:

[SAB-CA]

After searching a while back for a similiar problem with my friend, we found out that his router (think it was a netgear too) just wan't made to work with games. It would always reset when he would join any games that had more than just myself in them.

It took a while, but from some in-depth mention by some people on a Wii forum (which I can't find again...) the only solution to the problem seemed to be "get a new router, the one you have sucks for games!"

The only solution I can say is to get a new Router. To be safest, try looking up various routers online, and see which ones are recommended.

[BackInBlack]

I don't have the link to it, but its on the top of my head,(you may have already found it). xbox.com somewhere should give you a list of Xbox Live Supported Routers, one of them should be good.

[life.exe]

I don't have the link to it, but its on the top of my head,(you may have already found it). xbox.com somewhere should give you a list of Xbox Live Supported Routers, one of them should be good.
http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/support/xbox/connect/faq/routers.htm

There list is kinda short though. They dont even list any Netgear routers, but I have a Netgear router and it works fine.

[TehMuff1nM4n]

The problem is, I had a Linksys router that worked fine, but my dad didn't like it. You guys sure there is no possible solutions?

[life.exe]

The problem is, I had a Linksys router that worked fine, but my dad didn't like it. You guys sure there is no possible solutions?
Update the firmware maybe?


EDIT: Also, found this:

http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100981.asp


And could you tell me what the model of you router is? It would help.

[Chronotrigga]

Im using a Netgear WGR614 v6. I think I have a problem. I went into my Router Settings and I found "Port Forwarding/Port Triggering". I click on "Add Custom Service" and the window ultimately says this:

Service Name
<== You put a name here. I put "Xbox 360"

Service Type
TCP <== You choose one from the drop-down menu
UDP
TCP/UDP

Starting Port
(1~65534) <== You enter a number in the box

Ending Port
(1~65534) <== You enter a number in the box

Server IP Address
192.168.1.? <== IP Address?


==============================
==============================

So, I just made a new service named "Xbox 360" and I clicked the TCP/UDP option. For Starting Port, I used the number "88". For Ending Port, I used the number "3074". I put in my Computer's IP address for the Server IP Address -- the IP address my 360 is using is my Computer's IP address; I didn't change it.

Anyhow, I still get the "UNABLE TO CONNECT TO HOST" error. However, if I join a game, and then invite my friends, they can join too. Did i do something wrong? Not sure what the Starting/Ending Port was.

[Trakan]

You have to forward both ports.

Starting port 88, ending port 88.

Starting port 3074, ending port 3074.

Put the 360's IP address in the "Server IP Address."

[TehMuff1nM4n]

Update the firmware maybe?


EDIT: Also, found this:

http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100981.asp


And could you tell me what the model of you router is? It would help.

CG814WG, just got the router in November, but I will try the firmware.

[life.exe]

CG814WG, just got the router in November, but I will try the firmware.
Head over to the Netgear forums and look around there if the firmware upgrade doesnt fix it, apparently alot of people have problems with that router.

[dmaul1114]

Thought I'd take a look at this since I've still been having some issues (more dashboard loading than live.

I assume there is no need to do this if you do the Test Connection and your NAT already comes up as "OPEN" and everything else is confirmed fine?

[LinkinPrime]

Thought I'd take a look at this since I've still been having some issues (more dashboard loading than live.

I assume there is no need to do this if you do the Test Connection and your NAT already comes up as "OPEN" and everything else is confirmed fine?

The dashboard loading is part of the Live issues that we've all been experiencing for over a month now. It really is annoying.

[TehMuff1nM4n]

Anyone know if I can you a linksys router and connect it to my Netgear one? then run the xbox connection through the linksys without getting disconnected?

[dmaul1114]

The dashboard loading is part of the Live issues that we've all been experiencing for over a month now. It really is annoying.

Sorry, worded that poor. I meant that dashboard is still loading slow as balls, but I seem to be signing into live fine now (that pops up as signed in right away). I haven't tried in online play in a week or so, so I'm not sure if that's going better or not.

[msane]

Thanks for the guide. Now I'm able to join other people's games in Carcassonne!

[jrutz]

Weird for me that when I created a static IP address and port forwarded the XBL ports I got Moderate NAT, but if I used DHCP and UPnP I got Open NAT. Oh well, if it works...

[Chronotrigga]

Okay.. I tried to change my NAT settings to fit the 360. To find my IP address, I just went to "Edit Settings" in the Systems Blade and looked at the IP Address. I went to put that in the NAT UDP/TCP, and it said "Server IP must be LAN Address"

Any help? Am I using the wrong IP address from my 360?

[dmaul1114]

I assume there is no need to do this if you do the Test Connection and your NAT already comes up as "OPEN" and everything else is confirmed fine?

Any answer to this? I don't want to mess with settings if I'm already good to go.

[TehMuff1nM4n]

Ok, I have decided that this is my final chance. I am trying to connect my Modem to the Netgear router, and either the Xbox 360 directly, or an old Linksys BEFSR41 router I had lying around. The Netgear router is connected by Coax cable. I remember my old Linksys router used to be able to be hooked up via Ethernet on the router. My question is if it is possible to do the ethernet connection to one router and Coax to the other router at the same time?

UPDATE: It detect an IP address from the Linksys router, but fails at DNS. Anyway to get it to work? My computer plugged into the Linksys router also cannot connect to the internet.

[pimpinc333]

Any answer to this? I don't want to mess with settings if I'm already good to go.
If your NAT is already Open then don't do anything. If it ever becomes Moderate or even worse Strict then you will want to do this.

[Chronotrigga]

Still need answer to my Q. My NAT was Open, then it turned to strict.

[pimpinc333]

Still need answer to my Q. My NAT was Open, then it turned to strict.

IP address are forever changing. One day it may be Open the Next Strict or Moderate. You need to setup a static IP on your 360 so it doesn't change and will always use the same IP Address.

[Chronotrigga]

How do I setup a static IP?

[shrike4242]

How do I setup a static IP?Try this:
http://www.portforward.com/networking/staticip-xbox360.htm

[Chronotrigga]

Okay, I have a small problem. Whenever I test my Xbox Live connection with Automatic, and then check the IP, it is always something like: 192.168.0.250. It always has that "0" as the third group of the number. Anyhow, my computer IP is 192.168.1.2. So, I set my Xbox360 connection to an IP of like 192.168.1.100. Now, I then go to my Router's settings and then set the Ports all to this ip: 192.168.1.100.

Now, whenever I go to test for Xbox Live, it says my IP failed. Any reasons as to why?

Since it didn't work, I just changed everything in the Network Settings back to Automatic. Then, I tested xbox live connection again. I got the IP that the Xbox360 got and then tried to put that IP in the boxes for the Port Forwarding. It told me that it can only connect to a LAN IP or something.

[Chronotrigga]

can anyone answer? :D

[Chronotrigga]

Anyone?

[GLOCKGLOCK]

I was having no luck whatsoever in getting my NAT to be "Open" even after following the procedures in this thread. I was able to get it to "Moderate" from "Strict" by doing the static IP address. I assumed it was the router because it wouldn't even let me VPN into work from my house. So I went and swapped out the router that was installed with the pre-wiring in my house and lo and behold, NAT is now Open without having to configure a static IP address and the VPN connection works fine. My router was an OnQ/Legrand/Grayfox which might only be used in this region (Western Pennsylvania) by this installer, but it shows you that sometimes the type of router you have can screw everything up regardless of your settings. So if you continue to have problems I suggest picking up a new router and trying that out.

[dman1869]

We just moved & now have DSL Pro from AT&T. We have a 2Wire Wireless Gateway that will not recognize my Xbox 360. I can not pass the IP Address test. How do I get the gateway to recognize my gaming adaptor? I have a Linksys Gaming Adaptor that is properly hooked up just the way it was before I moved. We used to have cable. Can someone help me out with IP, DNS, & other stuff that is involved with this internet stuff? Thanks in advance.

[chi.bri]

Maybe you need to check to see if the DHCP setting is correct on both your modem and router. They should be set so that the router/modem automatically assigns an IP address.
You should try posting in the 360 thread. You might get a few more reponses.

[lilboo]

This really should be stickied. I'm going to have to try this out. Every so often I can't connect and when I test it's because my IP address failed. I never understand why.

I'm just afraid I'm going to try this and nothing will work and I'll be w/o a connection for a day or so :lol: I just have that kind of luck :-(

[alexandertyler]

Here is the quick and dirty:

The 2wire has no UPnP so you will have to open the following ports in your firewall: UDP: 3074, TCP: 3074, UDP: 88. You need to type in http://192.168.1.254 into your browser to access the Firewall Rules (you may have to use IE vs. FireFox). If you are using the wireless leave your encryption off while you are configuring the router. Have the Xbox 360 search for available networks (by default it is called 2Wire -- Change it to something else if possible). Once it finds it connect and test your connection through the Xbox system blade. If all is dandy, enable your router security (use the option with WPA AND WPA2), and create a password (PSK = Pre Shared Key). Now find your network again via the Xbox 360 and it will ask for your PSK. Once it is saved you should be up and running.

Later,

Alex

[naiku]

Got a few problems w/ xbl and my network setup. I used to use a WRT54G and everything worked fine w/ upnp. That WRT54G died and I replaced it with a cisco871w that i used for labs.

Problem 1: When I try to connect to xbox live right when i startup, the xbox it fails to connect. I have to run through the "Test Connection" and then I am able to connect. Annoying but whatever it works.

Problem 2: When I do Test Connection NAT shows up moderate. The router is running cbac with these configs...
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 cuseeme
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 ftp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 h323
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 icmp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 netshow
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 rcmd
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 realaudio
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 rtsp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 esmtp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 sqlnet
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 streamworks
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 tftp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 tcp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 udp
ip inspect name INSPECTION1 vdoliv


And nat to the xbox looks like this. If anyone knows any more ports to forward or a certain protocol to inspect tell me because its annoying not being able to connect to 15-20% of games that aren't hosted by me
ip nat inside source list 1 interface FastEthernet4 overload
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.10.10.200 3074 interface FastEthernet4 3074
ip nat inside source static udp 10.10.10.200 3074 interface FastEthernet4 3074
ip nat inside source static udp 10.10.10.200 88 interface FastEthernet4 88

Thanks in advance.

[gooober]

Are you able to stream music/video to your xbox 360?

I can see my xbox on wmp 11 but my xbox 360 can't detect my computer.

My xbox live works ok, it works ok on auto, i can't get it to work on manual ip. So i think that might be the cause with the ports.

i called xbox and they're saying belkin is incompatible and there should be an update coming from them. who knows when thats coming.

i'm using xp home sp 2 and windows media 11 with this exact router.

thanks

[gooober]

does anyone know if this router will stream music/video?

[Bigsauce]

God I remember this. About 2 months ago I got completely fed up with the Belkin router being complete garbage and bought the Zyxel Router (http://www.amazon.com/X-550-Xtrememimo-802-11G-Wireless-Broadband/dp/B000BP2YLC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205806562&sr=8-1) instead. It's amazing. It does everything without configuring anything. Straight outta the box it amazing. Do yourself a favor and shoot the Belkin.

In other news I have a Belkin Router for sale.... $30? Anyone? Damnit...

[Bigsauce]

I still never got around to selling my other one on Ebay. Not sure how much I would get for it anywho's. Will accept trades for it. Prolly only worth Barbie's Horse Trainer for the Wii or something...

[magiic]

I've spent over an hour now trying to get this thing to work on three different xbox consoles with no luck. I am copying all the settings from other connected wireless devices that are having no issue connecting (psp, ps3, wii, ds and laptop). I've copied the settings verbatim (except for the IP address). I've tried two different WEP keys. It connects to the router but always fails at the IP test. I don't get what I am doing wrong. Any ideas?

[mrlogical]

I had the exact same problem. I solved it by switching to the wired connection, because I'd recently moved my router into the room where I keep my games anyway. I was having my problem with an old-school original XBox wireless adapter, so I was guessing perhaps it was because that was an 802.11b or maybe even an 802.11a device, and I wasn't entirely certain whether in either case it would be compatible with my new Belkin N Router. Also, I have Comcast, which was providing me with a terrible connection around the time things were acting up, so that may have been the cause of my problems as well. I know my fix of plugging into the router probably won't help you, but perhaps you've got something in common with one of those potential problems and can do something with that info. Good luck.

[woodcan]

Not that it makes any sense what-so-ever but I had this same problem with my Linksys wireless bridge (WET11) that I use and I had to reset and leave the bridge name as the default "Linksys" (I was trying to use meaningful names like XBOX, Consoles, etc)....I told you it made absolutely no sense but it was 100% repeatable even after firmware update and connecting to a Linksys wireless router (WRT54GS).

[magiic]

Im just using a wireless router (Linksys WRT54GR)
What do you mean by the bridge name?

[wowimsocute]

is mac filtering on?

[magiic]

nope
one of the first things I checked

[Malik112099]

2 things either share:

1. A name
2. An IP address
3. A DNS

find out which and change it on the router and you should be good to go (prolly DNS)

also..make sure the light on the wireless adapter is green when you turn the console on

[magiic]

I'll look into in the morning and see how it goes

[magiic]

what do you mean by two things either share?

[LinkinPrime]

Thanks again PimpInc...I had to dig this thread up since my router had to be changed out...worked like a charm.

[pimpinc333]

Thanks again PimpInc...I had to dig this thread up since my router had to be changed out...worked like a charm.

No Problem. Maybe we should sticky this thread ;)

[LinkinPrime]

No Problem. Maybe we should sticky this thread ;)

I have it linked in the OP of the General FAQ's thread. We already have too many stickies as it is. I'm going to see if I clear the clutter within the next few days.

[poisonedpawn45]

This thread helped me fix most of my live problems. Thanks pimpinc

[pimpinc333]

This thread helped me fix most of my live problems. Thanks pimpinc

No Problem :D

[ZForce915]

I have a NAT question. My NAT goes between open and moderate randomly.

I have a static IP set up and the 3 ports I needed are open UDP 88, UDP 3074 and TCP 3074.

Am I missing anything else I need to keep the NAT open?

[poisonedpawn45]

I have a NAT question. My NAT goes between open and moderate randomly.

I have a static IP set up and the 3 ports I needed are open UDP 88, UDP 3074 and TCP 3074.

Am I missing anything else I need to keep the NAT open?

Does your router have a DMZ option? If so, place your xbox static ip in the dmz. This will place it outside your firewall, and your NAT will remain open.

Hope this helps.

[ZForce915]

Does your router have a DMZ option? If so, place your xbox static ip in the dmz. This will place it outside your firewall, and your NAT will remain open.

Hope this helps.

Yes it does, will doing this put me in any particular security risk?

[poisonedpawn45]

Yes it does, will doing this put me in any particular security risk?

Theoretically, no. It is what most people use to make sure your Xbox has a direct net connection. There is always a bit of a risk leaving anything out in the DMZ (non protected) part of your network however, so it is not guaranteed.

Other options are available here:

http://www.jimpickering.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Strict-NAT-on-Xbox-Live

[ZForce915]

Theoretically, no. It is what most people use to make sure your Xbox has a direct net connection. There is always a bit of a risk leaving anything out in the DMZ (non protected) part of your network however, so it is not guaranteed.

Other options are available here:

http://www.jimpickering.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Strict-NAT-on-Xbox-Live

Thanks. I'm going to test out using the DMZ thing, but like I said it seems random when it moves from open to moderate.

[ZForce915]

Damn it, it still says moderate after doing DMZ. Fuck!

[V4oLDbOY]

Does anyone here use this? I just installed it on my new linksys wrt54g router. After hours of tweaking, reading guides, and more tweaking of the settings I finally got it to work...sort of. I can connect to xbl, but after a few minutes I loose connection and than have to log in again. If anyone can help me set it up properly I would greatly appreciate it.

[kdunn77]

I'm having trouble staying connected to XBL also. Maybe your set up is ok and it is XBL that's going in and out.

[V4oLDbOY]

I'm having trouble staying connected to XBL also. Maybe your set up is ok and it is XBL that's going in and out.

ohh, maybe. I hope.

[dmaul1114]

Yeah XBL is having all kinds of problems this week, I wouldn't bother messing with any router settings until it gets back to normal.

[ep2011]

I just figured out why I couldn't get open to work. I had uPnP enabled, but did not know this. When I was trying to use port forwards or any other method, it would not work because uPnP was enabled, and the two conflicted. I now disabled uPnP and now DMZ Hosting works perfectly :) Thank you!

[Scorch]

My friend is leeching wireless net from someone in his apartment and they have their settings as moderate.. I keep trying to convince him to knock on their door and tell them to set it to open. That would be so freakin' random.. bah