The Official E-Bay Scalping Thread

[Lou-Dawg]

yeah, I just received notification of payment but it is in the form of an eCheck. The email said to not ship until the funds have been cleared into my PayPal account which takes about 4 business days. Should I be worried about this? Once the eCheck clears and the money is in my PayPal account is there any way I can get screwed?

You are 100% safe. Just wait for the eCheck to clear. I'd rather have an eCheck over a credit card payment any day of the week.

[Zoglog]

It's better to wait at this moment to sell your ps3s honestly, at least after thanksgiving when people get into the Xmas shopping. Prices will go up once again.

And to the people coming to this thread just to mock people getting low selling prices, talk about petty and pathetic trolling.

:rofl:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280050635902&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D280050635902%26f vi%3D1

I'm having a field day seeing all these stories about people trying to get PS3s but these ones about them selling for barely for what the seller paid for is too much.:lol:

"The seller ended this listing early to sell to the high bidder(s) at current bid price."

Figures they don't understand how ebay works either. People use this tactic all the time to relist later or sell to a higher person.

[DrFoo]

Just curious, if you auctioned your ps3 and weren't satisfied with the amount it sold for, could you issue a refund and relist it without getting any feedback or paying any paypal fees/final fees?

[apokalipze2]

Well this sucks, I guess I'll have to settle for way less than I'd hope:cry::cry:

[io]

Just curious, if you auctioned your ps3 and weren't satisfied with the amount it sold for, could you issue a refund and relist it without getting any feedback or paying any paypal fees/final fees?

You could do that, but you'd likely get a negative feedback and you would not get your fees refunded. Then the feedback might make it harder to sell next time. Really, though, on an item like this, just make the starting bid the minimum you'd accept. You pay the max listing fee for anything over $100 or $250 or so anyway (I forget the exact amount). The fee is $4.80 or something at that level - might as well start it at $1000 or $1200 or whatever you think is your minimum.

[Zoglog]

or you could always set a reserve.

[Javery]

yeah, I set a reserve of $1,200 (my only goal was to double my money to get a PS3 in March or whenever, but obviously more would have been better) and literally it went within the last 5 seconds - I kept hitting refresh as it was ending and with 5 seconds left it was still at $1,000... The eBay fees were roughly $30 and I'm sure when I add in PayPal and shipping it will be close to $100 (I also had $50 shipping so my profit is probably only going to be $550 or so).

[encendido5]

Only $550? That's pretty good in my book, obviously not as good as the $1000+ as before, but that's enough to get you a PS3 later for only $50 plus tax.

[Javery]

Only $550? That's pretty good in my book, obviously not as good as the $1000+ as before, but that's enough to get you a PS3 later for only $50 plus tax.

Yeah, I'm quite happy with the sale and profit. Now I can get one in the spring guilt free!

[animemaniac14]

im happy i made $2550 on it....and kept ALL THE FRIKIN SCAMMERS away...one ALMOST GOT ME tho...tried to bid $5000 at the last couple minutes but retracted it and i went ADD TO BLOCKLIST, SUBMIT bwahahahaha :-D

[randy5554]

I will probably put mine up for auction sometime after Thanksgiving (or whenever I recieve it; I am first up at my Gamestop for their next shipment).

Thanks to whoever posted the blocklist a few pages back. I will definitely use it!

[bortle]

im happy i made $2550 on it....and kept ALL THE FRIKIN SCAMMERS away...one ALMOST GOT ME tho...tried to bid $5000 at the last couple minutes but retracted it and i went ADD TO BLOCKLIST, SUBMIT bwahahahaha :-D

Isnt it technically still possible for them to cancel out by calling cc company or paypal? I would much rather take the hit on ebay reputation than pay 1500 more than I had to. I imagine this will be happening all over the place.

[Dhuk]

im happy i made $2550 on it....and kept ALL THE FRIKIN SCAMMERS away...one ALMOST GOT ME tho...tried to bid $5000 at the last couple minutes but retracted it and i went ADD TO BLOCKLIST, SUBMIT bwahahahaha :-D

I wonder if that buyer regrets spending that dough, now that the PS3's are selling on the $1,000 border line? Lol, I wouldn't doubt he's kicking himself.

Isnt it technically still possible for them to cancel out by calling cc company or paypal? I would much rather take the hit on ebay reputation than pay 1500 more than I had to. I imagine this will be happening all over the place.

I wouldn't doubt it, someone foolishly buys a PS3 ...say for $2,400. Now he sees them going for $990-1,000. More than likly the buyer might come up with an excuse, to get out of the auction he won and get his/her money back.

What I also find a bit amusing seeing all these desperate sellers having models/escorts holding PS3s in hopes of big bucks. yet...he probably just spent that much in order for her to show up to hold the PS3.

[eau]

WTF! I hope the seller isn't making a loss...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-SHIPS-WORLDWIDE_W0QQitemZ270056432365QQihZ017QQcategoryZ 62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[JEKKI]

he probably worked out a deal to avoid ebay fees.

it's a pretty common thing to do.

[jchmack]

ok i bought a ps3 premium for 650 and im offering 4 games which i will buy then ship for 1324. i gave free overnight shipping and insurance. If im right i should be making about 300 dollars:

1324
- 650 (ps3)
- 40.48(ebay charges)
- 240 (games)
- 50 (paypal charges) not sure if this is accurate
- 30 shipping
- 30 insurance

=283.52 in profit

you guys think this is a good deal?
or you think i should work out a deal with this guy to get out of ebay fees?
lol im kinda new to ebay how exactly do i do this?

[Zoglog]

NEVER Bundle games with your ebay auction. ONLY bundle stuff if you say it's going to go over blah blah.

When I sold my Xbox 360 tons of people included 3 + games and an extra controller RIGHT next to my acution and sold for the same as mine.

[jchmack]

well he already won the bid on ebay... is there a way i can dodge the ebay fees for now?

[Lou-Dawg]

well he already won the bid on ebay... is there a way i can dodge the ebay fees for now?

Not really. Don't ship without seller protection though. Its worth the fees to be protected from a fraudulent credit card chargeback.

Also, LMAO about people trying to scalp Wii's. Don't people know Nintendo is shipping millions of these before xmas?

[Zoglog]

wow the guy who won my auction wants me to send it to a different name at a different address because it's a "gift".................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm
I guess i'm gonna have to relist.

[Rimmit]

Not really. Don't ship without seller protection though. Its worth the fees to be protected from a fraudulent credit card chargeback.

Also, LMAO about people trying to scalp Wii's. Don't people know Nintendo is shipping millions of these before xmas?


There are too many Mom's who are oblivious to the situation and panic. I'm betting Wii's maintain a reasonable price all the way to xmas. Already sold 2 Wii's on ebay and have netted around 500 profit. Per unit time, it's better then the ps3.

[tiredfornow]

I have a ps3 60gb for sale too, but my uncle called and was saying they were talking to some best buy managers that were saying Sony is going to ship 4 million by december 1st? is my uncle a fuckin' moron? or is this true?

[randy5554]

I have a ps3 60gb for sale too, but my uncle called and was saying they were talking to some best buy managers that were saying Sony is going to ship 4 million by december 1st? is my uncle a fuckin' moron? or is this true?
He's a fuckin' moron!! ;)

[Lieutenant Dan]

wow the guy who won my auction wants me to send it to a different name at a different address because it's a "gift".................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm
I guess i'm gonna have to relist.

What's so bad about sending to a different address?

[Zoglog]

What's so bad about sending to a different address?

There are a whole lot of paypal accounts that are stolen via Phishing. So they always have you send it to another location and another name (guy who stole the account) since they cannot really change the verified adress on that account.

[Reality's Fringe]

There are a whole lot of paypal accounts that are stolen via Phishing. So they always have you send it to another location and another name (guy who stole the account) since they cannot really change the verified adress on that account.

Did you try calling him? I have a guy who wants to do the same thing, but I basically told him "no".

[Lieutenant Dan]

There are a whole lot of paypal accounts that are stolen via Phishing. So they always have you send it to another location and another name (guy who stole the account) since they cannot really change the verified adress on that account.

Thanks. Is that pretty much the only thing wrong with sending it to an unconfirmed address?

The reason I'm asking is because I sold my PS3 to someone who didn't have a confirmed address listed in their Paypal account.

[Zoglog]

Thanks. Is that pretty much the only thing wrong with sending it to an unconfirmed address?

The reason I'm asking is because I sold my PS3 to someone who didn't have a confirmed address listed in their Paypal account.

yeah, that's pretty risky in my opinion. Basically somone who phishes an account can just set it like that and there's real no reason why somone paying with paypal should be having an unconfirmed address.

Even if the address is confirmed there are other ways they can get you with that.

The worst part about it is you won't find out about it until a month later or so when the person who got phished reports it to Paypal. Basically Paypal just jacks the money back straight from you.

And I didn't call the guy personally, but I know some people who try that to see if they go off scared. But honestly I think even if I call him it's not going to prove anything.

[io]

yeah, that's pretty risky in my opinion. Basically somone who phishes an account can just set it like that and there's real no reason why somone paying with paypal should be having an unconfirmed address.

Even if the address is confirmed there are other ways they can get you with that.

The worst part about it is you won't find out about it until a month later or so when the person who got phished reports it to Paypal. Basically Paypal just jacks the money back straight from you.


Om the flip side, it certainly isn't a guarantee you are being ripped. I have sold 4 or 5 things (much cheaper than PS3's) in the last two weeks where the buyers have paid with unconfirmed addresses despite my explicit instructions not to. In each case I refunded and asked for a repayment. In all but one of those (and that was a newbie buyer) they fixed whatever problem they had, obtained a confirmed address, and repaid. They were all different reasons - someone had wanted it shipped elsewhere for a gift, another moved, things like that. It does happen, and people will completely ignore the auction instructions without being devious about it :D.

However, it is an enormous flaw in ebay that they have the PayPal and immediate payment required options, but not the ability to restrict that to confirmed addresses. There's no reason they shouldn't do that.

[Z-Saber]

Heck, I didn't confirm my bank account and address on Paypal until a couple of months ago, and I've been using it for years with no flak from sellers.

[sotb_96]

Gentlemen....I have a 20 gig for sell...It got up to 850.00 on last auction but i think i can go at least a $1,000. should i relist now or wait untill after Black Friday so these mothers and such can see how there are none in the stores?

[Weedy649]

Gentlemen....I have a 20 gig for sell...It got up to 850.00 on last auction but i think i can go at least a $1,000. should i relist now or wait untill after Black Friday so these mothers and such can see how there are none in the stores?

So someone won your auction and your gonna screw them over? If you had no reserve i think you should settle at 850. Also a couple of us sold our 60 gigs for 1,000 so dont think you will be getting that much for a 20 gig right now.

[sotb_96]

Naw man...i wouldnt do that..my reserve was $1,000. So it ended at $850.00.....anybody else have an opinion?

[Lieutenant Dan]

Naw man...i wouldnt do that..my reserve was $1,000. So it ended at $850.00.....anybody else have an opinion?

I personally wouldn't want to go through the trouble. But if you don't mind giving it another go, maybe you should relist it.

[mykevermin]

Naw man...i wouldnt do that..my reserve was $1,000. So it ended at $850.00.....anybody else have an opinion?

Give it up, because you won't be able to sell a 20GB for $1,000. The market's done crashed.

[spamfree2]

All I have to say is, I wish I had some E-bay stock...

[GizmoGC]

So someone won your auction and your gonna screw them over? If you had no reserve i think you should settle at 850. Also a couple of us sold our 60 gigs for 1,000 so dont think you will be getting that much for a 20 gig right now.

$850 is alot for a useless 20 gig. Seriously. You will wind up making $300 profit...not too bad.

[Reality's Fringe]

I went and withdrew the 1900 from my checking account just to be safe, and I'm going to ship it today. Here's hoping I don't get screwed.

[Javery]

Playstation 3 just went for $900 BIN!!! or... um... wait a minute... I mean 3 Playstations just went for $900 BIN!!! Good thing it's to a 0 feedback buyer or someone would be PISSED.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300050305788&rd=1&rd=1

[Z-Saber]

Playstation 3 just went for $900 BIN!!! or... um... wait a minute... I mean 3 Playstations just went for $900 BIN!!! Good thing it's to a 0 feedback buyer or someone would be PISSED.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300050305788&rd=1&rd=1That is so great. Way better than selling an Xbox box.

[Zoglog]

Om the flip side, it certainly isn't a guarantee you are being ripped. I have sold 4 or 5 things (much cheaper than PS3's) in the last two weeks where the buyers have paid with unconfirmed addresses despite my explicit instructions not to. In each case I refunded and asked for a repayment. In all but one of those (and that was a newbie buyer) they fixed whatever problem they had, obtained a confirmed address, and repaid. They were all different reasons - someone had wanted it shipped elsewhere for a gift, another moved, things like that. It does happen, and people will completely ignore the auction instructions without being devious about it :D.

However, it is an enormous flaw in ebay that they have the PayPal and immediate payment required options, but not the ability to restrict that to confirmed addresses. There's no reason they shouldn't do that.

true, with many things it doesnt matter quite as much. however with a high value item like the ps3 I tend to take way more caution.

on a side note prices seemed to have gone up a little bit. Probably because it's a weekday and people are shopping at work.

[tayaf69]

can someone offer me assistance...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190052807062

i sold two PS3 60 GB to a prestigous ebayer for 4000.00 total. This was before the massive price drop. He paid immediately via a confirmed paypal address and I shipped out the items. Now, he wants his money back and is threatening to do a chareback. The money IS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT and I have followed ALL paypal guidelines to be insured by a chareback but I called paypal and they still act like there is always a chance paypal can't defend against charebacks. WTF, I have 500+ feedback and have never been concened about chargebacks until now. Help?

[benjamouth]

can someone offer me assistance...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190052807062

i sold two PS3 60 GB to a prestigous ebayer for 4000.00 total. This was before the massive price drop. He paid immediately via a confirmed paypal address and I shipped out the items. Now, he wants his money back and is threatening to do a chareback. The money IS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT and I have followed ALL paypal guidelines to be insured by a chareback but I called paypal and they still act like there is always a chance paypal can't defend against charebacks. WTF, I have 500+ feedback and have never been concened about chargebacks until now. Help?

Tell the Dude he's a twat for paying $4000 for items worth $1200. He's screwed, you're not obligated in any way.

[io]

can someone offer me assistance...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190052807062

i sold two PS3 60 GB to a prestigous ebayer for 4000.00 total. This was before the massive price drop. He paid immediately via a confirmed paypal address and I shipped out the items. Now, he wants his money back and is threatening to do a chareback. The money IS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT and I have followed ALL paypal guidelines to be insured by a chareback but I called paypal and they still act like there is always a chance paypal can't defend against charebacks. WTF, I have 500+ feedback and have never been concened about chargebacks until now. Help?

Is this the guy who was hoping to resell them before Christmas for even more? I remember someone posting about selling one for $2000 to a buyer who said that. Not that it makes much difference, but I say tough luck to the buyer in this case (but especially if he hoped to resell for profit later ;)).. I think if you sent to a confirmed address you are OK. He has acknowledged receipt, right? I guess PayPal can do whatever they please, but it seems to me you are covered under their Seller protection plan. If they plan to weasel out of that then who knows. Maybe they are just being cautious with you on the phone - though it would be a whole lot more reassuring if they guaranteed your safety (assuming you followed all the rules for it - but that could be it, they don't want to say you are covered 100% in case there is something you didn't do right).

[Reality's Fringe]

can someone offer me assistance...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190052807062

i sold two PS3 60 GB to a prestigous ebayer for 4000.00 total. This was before the massive price drop. He paid immediately via a confirmed paypal address and I shipped out the items. Now, he wants his money back and is threatening to do a chareback. The money IS IN MY BANK ACCOUNT and I have followed ALL paypal guidelines to be insured by a chareback but I called paypal and they still act like there is always a chance paypal can't defend against charebacks. WTF, I have 500+ feedback and have never been concened about chargebacks until now. Help?

Keep the email and offer it to Paypal as proof. Under the Paypal TOS, you can't do a chargeback for buyer's remorse. Also make sure that you sent that bitch with a sig confirmation, insurance, and maybe even a return receipt just in case. Also, withdraw all your money from yuor checking account except for your required minimum balance for a while if you can. I'm a little nervous too, and I sold mine for only 1900.

[tayaf69]

Is this the guy who was hoping to resell them before Christmas for even more? I remember someone posting about selling one for $2000 to a buyer who said that. Not that it makes much difference, but I say tough luck to the buyer in this case (but especially if he hoped to resell for profit later ;)).. I think if you sent to a confirmed address you are OK. He has acknowledged receipt, right? I guess PayPal can do whatever they please, but it seems to me you are covered under their Seller protection plan. If they plan to weasel out of that then who knows. Maybe they are just being cautious with you on the phone - though it would be a whole lot more reassuring if they guaranteed your safety (assuming you followed all the rules for it - but that could be it, they don't want to say you are covered 100% in case there is something you didn't do right).
It's definately annoying. This guy is a power seller (as am I off and on) so I know he was guessing to resell them. I had my price at 1999.99 in the time that the market was 2500+ because I wanted to get rid of them. He bought two and I guess was going to try to sell them for 3000+ but once the market went down he got mad. He has over 1000+ feedback so I know he has to understand how the market works. maybe he is freaking out and is just desperate. Regardless, I am a verified paypal member, provided a tracking number that requires an adult signature, offered $4000.00 shipping insurance (THAT'S EXPENSIVE), sent in a timely manner (immediately), and sent to a verfied and eligible buyer. I am covered under the general guidelines, but it would be a lot better if paypal could simply tell me "we will cover you" but NO! It really puts a bad taste in my mouth for both ebay and paypal.

Paypal said that if the buyer charges back his card, they will deduct the amount from my account and will hold it during the process. It may take up to 120 days!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!! Paypal sucks.

[tayaf69]

Keep the email and offer it to Paypal as proof. Under the Paypal TOS, you can't do a chargeback for buyer's remorse. Also make sure that you sent that bitch with a sig confirmation, insurance, and maybe even a return receipt just in case. Also, withdraw all your money from yuor checking account except for your required minimum balance for a while if you can. I'm a little nervous too, and I sold mine for only 1900.
Can paypal prosecute me if I deduct the amount from my account??? Good freaking idea.

EDIT: wouldn't this also look semi-fraudalent?

[io]

Can paypal prosecute me if I deduct the amount from my account??? Good freaking idea.

No, but I think your account will go inactive if you don't have the funds to cover. So you'd have to wait until it is resolved before selling again. Probably worth it in this case though ;). But it probably won't take that long (120 days). I had a chargeback once and it was resolved within a week once I submitted the DC number. Of course, that was for a much smaller amount.

[Reality's Fringe]

Can paypal prosecute me if I deduct the amount from my account??? Good freaking idea.

Not sure. I know the Paypal isn't supposed to dip into your checking account for money, but they've been known to do it. Usually, what they do for a chrageback is freeze your Paypal account while you try to dispute it. If they find in favor of the buyer, they'll add a negative balance to your account which, if not paid, will be sent to a collections agency. I withdrew mine to make sure that, if there is a chargeback, they wouldn't just steal it back since I did everything to Paypal's seller protection standard. I sent overnight with $2000 in insurance, sig confirmation, and return receipt, so his chargeback would HAVE to be fradulent in this case.

I'm sick of all these whiny buyers. It's their fault for not waiting. It's like buying a $50 game and then getting pissy because you missed the obvious price drop that was going to happen within a few days.

[Roufuss]

Paypal said that if the buyer charges back his card, they will deduct the amount from my account and will hold it during the process. It may take up to 120 days!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!! Paypal sucks.

Yep.. he'll go straight to his credit card company and you're going to get screwed.

If your account is empty Paypal will just freeze the account and ANY money that goes into the account will automatically be used to pay off your tab.

Plus, all the guy has to say is that the system is defective and he wants his money back... he can send you back the system and his CC company will side with him. Then you're stuck with an open PS3 (since he'll open it before he sends it back) and be screwed six ways to Sunday.

It looks fradualent but nobody cares. I've had buyers get a game, tell me it dosen't work, do a chargeback and send me the game back and it's not even the same copy I sent out... one guy sent me back his scratched up f'ed up version of the game.

[cheapfrag]

Well, what if the buyer refuses delivery... the items will be sent back to you. (Or has he already signed for them). You might consider asking for some money for your troubles ($ for expenses, shipping, handling, insurance and a little extra) but I don't know if that would hurt your case if he plays hard ball.

[Javery]

I am waiting for an eCheck to clear. I don't think you can do a charge back on that, can you? So once it clears it's mine, right?

[Roufuss]

I am waiting for an eCheck to clear. I don't think you can do a charge back on that, can you? So once it clears it's mine, right?

eCheck goes through a bank account... he can try to charge back through Paypal and yea, I think they can do a chargeback from their bank too.

[tayaf69]

Not sure. I know the Paypal isn't supposed to dip into your checking account for money, but they've been known to do it. Usually, what they do for a chrageback is freeze your Paypal account while you try to dispute it. If they find in favor of the buyer, they'll add a negative balance to your account which, if not paid, will be sent to a collections agency. I withdrew mine to make sure that, if there is a chargeback, they wouldn't just steal it back since I did everything to Paypal's seller protection standard. I sent overnight with $2000 in insurance, sig confirmation, and return receipt, so his chargeback would HAVE to be fradulent in this case.

I'm sick of all these whiny buyers. It's their fault for not waiting. It's like buying a $50 game and then getting pissy because you missed the obvious price drop that was going to happen within a few days.
I sent 3-day (should have done overnight) with ADULT-sig required and $4000.00 insurance and I filmed myself packaging the units. If that doesn't save me I don't know what will.

I thought paypal dipped into the checking account if no funds are in it. They do this monthly when ebay sends invoices over to them for my payments. Maybe I need to disable the checking account from paypal?

[tayaf69]

eCheck goes through a bank account... he can try to charge back through Paypal and yea, I think they can do a chargeback from their bank too.
these chargebacks shouldn't even be allowed. This seems like it borders on not only an unethical standard, but an illegal one as well. This pretty much opens up any buyer's option to screw over sellers at all times. So us sellers aren't protected even if we believe we are. I just want to get rid of my PS3s and only deal with half.com.

[io]

Roufuss brings up a good point - the whole "defective" angle. That's pretty much the only way he can screw you over though. He can't say he didn't get it, and he can't win a chargeback just by doing it (without at least sending it back). And the only way he can send it back is if it wasn't what he bought or defective.

[Roufuss]

I sent 3-day (should have done overnight) with ADULT-sig required and $4000.00 insurance and I filmed myself packaging the units. If that doesn't save me I don't know what will.

I thought paypal dipped into the checking account if no funds are in it. They do this monthly when ebay sends invoices over to them for my payments. Maybe I need to disable the checking account from paypal?

All that is proving is the guy received the units... that dosen't help you if he claims there are defective. Insurance just covers you if the USPS beat the crap out of the box and it can be blamed on them, but if he's like "Oh I hooked the PS3 up to the TV and it's not working right I want a refund" none of that stuff is going to help you.

Paypal will most likely side with him if he pulls up the defective angle, which means he will open both boxes before sending them back, which means you are doubly screwed.

And as it was mentioned before, if he charges back through his CC Paypal will try to get it from you and after awhile it goes through collections... it's not worth a hit to your credit rating. Honestly, if you still have the money I'd just refund him and see if you can do a "Mutually agree not to sell" form so you AT LEAST get your final value fees back.

You're fighting a war which is going to be hard to win and if you lose... well... you don't want to lose.

[tayaf69]

All that is proving is the guy received the units... that dosen't help you if he claims there are defective. Insurance just covers you if the USPS beat the crap out of the box and it can be blamed on them, but if he's like "Oh I hooked the PS3 up to the TV and it's not working right I want a refund" none of that stuff is going to help you.

Paypal will most likely side with him if he pulls up the defective angle, which means he will open both boxes before sending them back, which means you are doubly screwed.

And as it was mentioned before, if he charges back through his CC Paypal will try to get it from you and after awhile it goes through collections... it's not worth a hit to your credit rating. Honestly, if you still have the money I'd just refund him and see if you can do a "Mutually agree not to sell" form so you AT LEAST get your final value fees back.

You're fighting a war which is going to be hard to win and if you lose... well... you don't want to lose.

Ok, so the defective thing does worry me (it's been my main concern), BUT isn't this the same as someone buying one from Gamestop and trying to take it back? Gamestop won't take it back and will send you directly to Sony. I don't think you can do a chargeback on them can you? Couldn't I just send him to sony since he has a warrenty with them? I figured the warrenty would cover me.

EDIT: I was always under the assumption that this involved used products but not new

ONE MORE EDIT: lastly, he already emailed me twice stating that he had to "Pay off a loan and need money back asap" so wouldn't that be fishy if he claims the item didn't work? He already told me he would send them back to me, so opening the product to claim it is broke would have to seem suspicious. Too many technicalities! :cry:

[Roufuss]

Ok, so the defective thing does worry me (it's been my main concern), BUT isn't this the same as someone buying one from Gamestop and trying to take it back? Gamestop won't take it back and will send you directly to Sony. I don't think you can do a chargeback on them can you? Couldn't I just send him to sony since he has a warrenty with them? I figured the warrenty would cover me.

Unfortunately it's the sellers responsibilty to make sure the item works, which is what Paypal / Ebay / whoever will say. You can't make sure it works without opening it but that's the risk you have to take.

I mean, someone can buy a sealed game from me, they opened it up and for some reason it dosen't work, if I just said "too bad, take it up with the publisher, it was brand new!" I'm going to probably lose the chargeback.

It's getting into alot of grey area stuff. And Gamestop would exchange the unit if it was broken if they had any other ones... not sure what they would do if they didn't, espically if it was within a certain time period.

Regardless, they are going to hold you responsible.

And yea, it involves new products, things can be defective out of the box... look how many Wii's didn't work right for people.

I'm just saying, if I was you, just refund the guy, try to get back your final value fees, because it's not worth fighting this over and potentially getting very screwed.

[AshesofWake]

ebay is awesome.

[tayaf69]

I offered him a $1200 refund for current market costs (which is generous I guess) so I'm hoping he takes it. I really don't want to deal with it.

I spent $100+ on shipping the item with insurance, my listing fee was $25.00, and my final paypal/ebay fees were $200.00. If he were to demand a refund, I would at least want most of that back since it was all because of him. I know about the mutual payment system, as well, but that wouldn't cut down on shipping costs.

[Javery]

None of this is making any sense. It seems to me like from what people are saying, the buyer has ALL of the power and the seller has none. What about including language stating "this item is sold "as is" and unopened from the manufacturer - any defects or problems should be taken up directly with Sony." There's no way Paypal could argue that a chargeback is the right thing to do in that situation.

[tayaf69]

None of this is making any sense. It seems to me like from what people are saying, the buyer has ALL of the power and the seller has none. What about including language stating "this item is sold "as is" and unopened from the manufacturer - any defects or problems should be taken up directly with Sony." There's no way Paypal could argue that a chargeback is the right thing to do in that situation.
I included that in my auction under the payments sections, actually exactly like you stated it "any defects should be sent to sony. Do not contact me." Still, after talking to Paypal for one hour on the phone and to an ebay chat rep for 30 minutes, I feel that the seller has no power in any situation on ebay/paypal. It's disgusting.

EDIT: Im sorry if it seems I am taking up this thread for my own vendeta, but I guess it's good to discuss the problems I am having. The insight on the situation is helpful and talking about it relieves the stress it puts on me. I guess I'm just worried if I give him a refund (which seems like I will have to do if he opens the boxes!!) then I won't be able to make a penny on the systems, since they are selling for virtually nothing now. Lessons learned.

[drfrielgood]

Number of PS3 systems on ebay has dropped to 11,000 from 14,000 last night. Prices are basically unchanged.

[spamfree2]

This is the reason I am glad I did not try these quick cash schemes. With all the horror stories about Ebay and Paypal.. Money Order is the way to go :) if your gonna do it. Kinda late though.

[tayaf69]

This is the reason I am glad I did not try these quick cash schemes. With all the horror stories about Ebay and Paypal.. Money Order is the way to go :) if your gonna do it. Kinda late though.
I've had horror stories with money orders that by far outweight paypal/ebay problems. Western Union anyone?

[Roufuss]

None of this is making any sense. It seems to me like from what people are saying, the buyer has ALL of the power and the seller has none. What about including language stating "this item is sold "as is" and unopened from the manufacturer - any defects or problems should be taken up directly with Sony." There's no way Paypal could argue that a chargeback is the right thing to do in that situation.

Dosen't matter. I've seen people write stuff like that before and still lose Paypal disputes.

And yes, the buyer does have most of the power after the product is already in his hands.

Paypal does an awesome job of covering you against people who lie and say they never got what you sent, but against defective merchandise? Not so much.

And now people found that you can just circumvent Paypal altogether by charging back through your credit card.

[IXISIXI]

Is this the guy who was hoping to resell them before Christmas for even more? I remember someone posting about selling one for $2000 to a buyer who said that. Not that it makes much difference, but I say tough luck to the buyer in this case (but especially if he hoped to resell for profit later ;)).. I think if you sent to a confirmed address you are OK. He has acknowledged receipt, right? I guess PayPal can do whatever they please, but it seems to me you are covered under their Seller protection plan. If they plan to weasel out of that then who knows. Maybe they are just being cautious with you on the phone - though it would be a whole lot more reassuring if they guaranteed your safety (assuming you followed all the rules for it - but that could be it, they don't want to say you are covered 100% in case there is something you didn't do right).

Nope, that guy hasn't tried to contact me or anything, so here's to hoping everything works out.

[tayaf69]

I just sold a 20 GB PS3 for 800.00 before shipping. Wow, I didn't think I would be this desperate. 2 days ago I was thinking I would make 2000 on it easy. :cry:

[spamfree2]

I've had horror stories with money orders that by far outweight paypal/ebay problems. Western Union anyone?
I doubt the problem with money order outweighs the paypal scams.. If you afraid of being scammed ... Make them send a Postal Money Order..

[tayaf69]

I doubt the problem with money order outweighs the paypal scams.. If you afraid of being scammed ... Make them send a Postal Money Order..
ya money orders are usually good but I got scammed once with a western union that bounced after a week. I never thought they could do that and always thought it was guaranteed money.

[Psykoboy2]

How do these systems (http://search-completed.ebay.com/playstation-3-60_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZse archQQcopagenumZ1QQfisZ2QQfromZR32QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ3 QQgcsZ1134QQpfidZ1412QQsacatZQ2d100QQsbrsrtZd) get missed?

I so wanna win one for like a dollar.

[Reality's Fringe]

How do these systems (http://search-completed.ebay.com/playstation-3-60_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZse archQQcopagenumZ1QQfisZ2QQfromZR32QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ3 QQgcsZ1134QQpfidZ1412QQsacatZQ2d100QQsbrsrtZd) get missed?

I so wanna win one for like a dollar.

Anyone who gets one for a penny isn't going to be getting it in the mail.

[gofishn]

How do these systems (http://search-completed.ebay.com/playstation-3-60_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZse archQQcopagenumZ1QQfisZ2QQfromZR32QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ3 QQgcsZ1134QQpfidZ1412QQsacatZQ2d100QQsbrsrtZd) get missed?

I so wanna win one for like a dollar.

They're not. People are freaking out because they realize they aren't going to get the $3000 they thought they would for them. They're taking them down and hoping somehow the market shoots back up to those levels. Good luck for them!

[The Mana Knight]

Death to all scalpers IMO. I think everyone who is scalping is doing a very bad things and should be ashamed to call themselves a gamer. I know tons of people who want a PS3, in the G.A.P., but couldn't get one because of stupid scalpers. If I bought a PS3, it would be to keeps.

[White-Wolf]

I bought a orginal ebox on ebay once, said to be working, and it dident even have the internal power supply.... i was never able to get my money back.

[Reality's Fringe]

Death to all scalpers IMO. I think everyone who is scalping is doing a very bad things and should be ashamed to call themselves a gamer. I know tons of people who want a PS3, in the G.A.P., but couldn't get one because of stupid scalpers. If I bought a PS3, it would be to keeps.

Who deserves it more? The person who wants to pay $2000 for it, or the person who only wants to pay $600 for it?

[Lou-Dawg]

Ok I'll add my paypal/ebay horror story to the mix.

I already posted about the guy in NYC who tried to scam me. Of course I relisted it. I got a legitimate buyer with a confirmed address this time ($1,200 for a 60GB, guess I can't complain). I have sent it with all the bells and whistles, she should get it Wednesday. I am covered under the seller protection program and I got a return receipt that I can provide for signature confirmation.

I tried to take the $1,200 out of my paypal account today. Paypal flagged me, even though I have over 100 feedback with 100% positive. First I had to add a credit card to my account. Then I had to verify my home phone number. I don't have a home phone number, and they won't let me use my cell phone as my home phone number, so I have to wait for them to send me a form in the mail that I will fill out to verify my home address. Then I had to fill out a form telling them what sort of business I run (I don't own a business). Next I have to provide them with proof of shipping. I also have FAX them a list of my SUPPLIERS! They want my fuckING SUPPLIERS? I don't have a fax machine, so I wrote them a nasty letter saying my suppliers are Toys R Us, Best Buy, Circuit City, and Gamestop (with local numbers). I then had to drive over to my sisters house so I could fax it.


It won't be cleared up til next week, after I get that form in the mail. So much for using that money to fix my car, which is in the shop. I love how Paypal treats the sellers like criminals, while my problem with the NYC scammer ended up losing me money in listing fees (over $30). Fuck Ebay.

[Yo Mama]

Is this the guy who was hoping to resell them before Christmas for even more? I remember someone posting about selling one for $2000 to a buyer who said that. Not that it makes much difference, but I say tough luck to the buyer in this case (but especially if he hoped to resell for profit later ;)).. I think if you sent to a confirmed address you are OK. He has acknowledged receipt, right? I guess PayPal can do whatever they please, but it seems to me you are covered under their Seller protection plan. If they plan to weasel out of that then who knows. Maybe they are just being cautious with you on the phone - though it would be a whole lot more reassuring if they guaranteed your safety (assuming you followed all the rules for it - but that could be it, they don't want to say you are covered 100% in case there is something you didn't do right).

The recipient has already listed two PS3s on ebay, look under "items sold by this seller"

[Javery]

Ok I'll add my paypal/ebay horror story to the mix.

I already posted about the guy in NYC who tried to scam me. Of course I relisted it. I got a legitimate buyer with a confirmed address this time ($1,200 for a 60GB, guess I can't complain). I have sent it with all the bells and whistles, she should get it Wednesday. I am covered under the seller protection program and I got a return receipt that I can provide for signature confirmation.

I tried to take the $1,200 out of my paypal account today. Paypal flagged me, even though I have over 100 feedback with 100% positive. First I had to add a credit card to my account. Then I had to verify my home phone number. I don't have a home phone number, and they won't let me use my cell phone as my home phone number, so I have to wait for them to send me a form in the mail that I will fill out to verify my home address. Then I had to fill out a form telling them what sort of business I run (I don't own a business). Next I have to provide them with proof of shipping. I also have FAX them a list of my SUPPLIERS! They want my fuckING SUPPLIERS? I don't have a fax machine, so I wrote them a nasty letter saying my suppliers are Toys R Us, Best Buy, Circuit City, and Gamestop (with local numbers). I then had to drive over to my sisters house so I could fax it.


It won't be cleared up til next week, after I get that form in the mail. So much for using that money to fix my car, which is in the shop. I love how Paypal treats the sellers like criminals, while my problem with the NYC scammer ended up losing me money in listing fees (over $30). Fuck Ebay.
Wow. After reading that I just pray I have an honest buyer.

[Purkeynator]

I got a question. When you list the item there is a section that you can check or uncheck that says "returns accepted". You shouldn't have to accept a return if you don't specify that you do take returns. Also on the defective issue- Did you give the buyers the receipt? That will prove that their system was bought when it was bought for warranty purposes so they should have to go through the manufacturer. Ebay should be more like a garage sale where if you bought it and you don't like it then tough shit and not like Wal-mart where you can open it, play it, and then bring it back with the receipt and say it sucks and get your money back.

[animemaniac14]

so i have a question:

i sold my ps3 for $2550 to this woman who's apparently a nurse somewhere...and she's gotten like 100% feedback...and she kept saying she was going to pay me and TODAY she e-mails me and tells me someone bought her kids a ps3 for xmas and she won't be needing mine anymore?! so she told me to relist it and that she was sorry and thanks for my time and understanding.

i simply (and somewhat angrily) replied "Look woman, you bid on my item, you won it, you TOLD ME you would pay it, and it don't matter if someone bought your kids a ps3, you still bought MINE...so please pay me so i don't have to pay a mountain of ebay fees and relisting my ps3 wouldn't get me much profit...thanks for YOUR time and understanding!"

my mom is already telling me to threaten her with an attorney...tho i don't know ebay's policies about that at all...does anyone else?

[Zoglog]

so i have a question:

i sold my ps3 for $2550 to this woman who's apparently a nurse somewhere...and she's gotten like 100% feedback...and she kept saying she was going to pay me and TODAY she e-mails me and tells me someone bought her kids a ps3 for xmas and she won't be needing mine anymore?! so she told me to relist it and that she was sorry and thanks for my time and understanding.

i simply (and somewhat angrily) replied "Look woman, you bid on my item, you won it, you TOLD ME you would pay it, and it don't matter if someone bought your kids a ps3, you still bought MINE...so please pay me so i don't have to pay a mountain of ebay fees and relisting my ps3 wouldn't get me much profit...thanks for YOUR time and understanding!"

my mom is already telling me to threaten her with an attorney...tho i don't know ebay's policies about that at all...does anyone else?

sounds like she found it for a cheaper price. You can report it to ebay, but I think that's it. I've seen non-paying bidders all the time.

[dallow]

so i have a question:

i sold my ps3 for $2550 to this woman who's apparently a nurse somewhere...and she's gotten like 100% feedback...and she kept saying she was going to pay me and TODAY she e-mails me and tells me someone bought her kids a ps3 for xmas and she won't be needing mine anymore?! so she told me to relist it and that she was sorry and thanks for my time and understanding.

i simply (and somewhat angrily) replied "Look woman, you bid on my item, you won it, you TOLD ME you would pay it, and it don't matter if someone bought your kids a ps3, you still bought MINE...so please pay me so i don't have to pay a mountain of ebay fees and relisting my ps3 wouldn't get me much profit...thanks for YOUR time and understanding!"

my mom is already telling me to threaten her with an attorney...tho i don't know ebay's policies about that at all...does anyone else?

This is why I elected to use "immediate payment required".
Sorry man, but you're out of luck. All you can do is give her some bad feedback....

[eau]

This is why I elected to use "immediate payment required".
That's only available for BIN auctions, right?

[dallow]

That's only available for BIN auctions, right?

Yes, I didn't want to do a traditional auction for fear of fake bidders.
And by the looks of how it all went down, I'm so glad for doing so.

[Lou-Dawg]

Yes, I didn't want to do a traditional auction for fear of fake bidders.
And by the looks of how it all went down, I'm so glad for doing so.

Yes me too. I did a BIN w/ immediate payment required. Thank goodness.

To the guy whose bidder is backing out. She's not going to pay you...there is not a lot you can do. In seven days you can file a non-paying bidder form and you get back your Final Value Fee. If you spent any money promoting it (like those packages that make your item bold, purple, etc.), Ebay keeps that money for themselves. You can relist and you get an insertion fee credit if your new auction sells.

Also, forget suing her. The only thing she may be guilty of is breach of contract, and only if courts decide that an ebay bid is a legally binding contract.

[PhrostByte]

So what's the consensus on people that still have PS3's? Are there going to more shipments? I know Sony said they want to sell 1,000,000 by X-Mas but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

[DrFoo]

Just found this on the PS3 Amazon forums:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=acYmICIySKBw
Sony is thinking 1 million before the end of the year while analysists say as little as 400,000 total. Analysists were right before so I'm going with them... eBay prices should go up a huge amount if they're right...

[animemaniac14]

how would ebay prices go up if they're going to ship another 400,000 by the end of the year?!

[DrFoo]

No they are saying 400,000 total by the end of the year. As in another 200,000 (because Sony cut launch numbers down to around 200,000). That means supply should get lower over the next few weeks while I'm pretty sure demand should only go down slightly (I'm sure theres at least a couple million people who want it...).

[animemaniac14]

so if demand went down that would mean ps3 prices would go down even more? on ebay that is...

[DrFoo]

It all depends if demand goes down faster than supply. If only 200,000 more units are shipped and a million more people decide they want one (all the parents and kids mostly at this point I would guess), the prices will shoot up. If people decide they don't need one because they can't afford it, then yeah prices would go down.

[PhrostByte]

No they are saying 400,000 total by the end of the year. As in another 200,000 (because Sony cut launch numbers down to around 200,000). That means supply should get lower over the next few weeks while I'm pretty sure demand should only go down slightly (I'm sure theres at least a couple million people who want it...).
Yeah... getting another 800,000 units out seems difficult considering the first batch of systems were pretty much fresh out of the factory.. so what do you guys think is the best time to sell it? First week of December? Second?

[DrFoo]

Yeah... getting another 800,000 units out seems difficult considering the first batch of systems were pretty much fresh out of the factory.. so what do you guys think is the best time to sell it? First week of December? Second?


Yeah somewhere around there should be the best time. I have a 20gb I'm waiting to sell. I'm just going to wait for the prices to reach a point I'm happy with and sell it as a 1 day auction... just have to hope they actually do go up.

[animemaniac14]

ya since my frikin buyer dropped out on me at $2550...im going to be screwed with ebay fees (btw is there any way to get out of those? especially if the buyer didn't pay?) and i NEED to get about that much...anyone think that demand will go that high?

[DrFoo]

I really hope so. I sold my other PS3 for very little profits. Was hoping to at least afford myself another PS3 and part of an HDTV with both of these.

Oh and you should be able to get rid of those fees. Just go to
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unpaid-item.html
and file an unpaid item dispute.

[animemaniac14]

man CRAIGS LIST IS THE PLACE TO POST A PS3...im telling ya...already got offers up to $2500! wow....

I really hope so. I sold my other PS3 for very little profits. Was hoping to at least afford myself another PS3 and part of an HDTV with both of these.

Oh and you should be able to get rid of those fees. Just go to
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unpaid-item.html
and file an unpaid item dispute.

and thanks for this f00

[Roufuss]

Oh and you should be able to get rid of those fees. Just go to
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unpaid-item.html
and file an unpaid item dispute.

That just removes the final value fees... not the listing fees, you are SOL on those.

[Zoglog]

The thing is you guys have to remember that even though the PS3 Profits look pitiful now, they are not necessarily so. Getting $400 or $600 back (which is what the auctions are about now) Is still a nice chunk of money.

The problem is that we got shifted into this crazy mindset amongst the launch chaos. Basically scalpers are pretty motivated people and because of all the recognition of the Ps3 and it's shortage they lined up like crazy and incredibly early causing all of us to line up just as early. Therefore by doing so we not only flood the market with a huge amount of consoles, but we had to wait earlier than we should have because of all the articifical line demand.

In addition people were a bit mislead by some certain early auctions as towards what they would expect for resale. This leads to $400 looking paltry.

[DrFoo]

man CRAIGS LIST IS THE PLACE TO POST A PS3...im telling ya...already got offers up to $2500! wow....



and thanks for this f00
How are you getting such huge offers? Do you have tons of extras listed with it or something?

Oh and on Craig's list do you recommend just leaving the price blank and asking for offers?

[Zoglog]

How are you getting such huge offers? Do you have tons of extras listed with it or something?

Oh and on Craig's list do you recommend just leaving the price blank and asking for offers?

full of shit.

Just check craigslist yourself.

[Lou-Dawg]

Also there are a bunch of griefers on CL that will flag your sale and have it removed from the site. I listed my PS3 three times on CL, and people kept deleting my listing. Luckily my Ebay sale went through...

[spmahn]

None of this is making any sense. It seems to me like from what people are saying, the buyer has ALL of the power and the seller has none. What about including language stating "this item is sold "as is" and unopened from the manufacturer - any defects or problems should be taken up directly with Sony." There's no way Paypal could argue that a chargeback is the right thing to do in that situation.

Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me at all either. If a buyer decides to do a chargeback on their Credit Card, shouldn't Paypal be going after THEM to get their money back, since it was the buyer who did the chargeback, instead of you, who had no involvement at all? If that's the case, you can buy anythign and everything and then at any time just have your credit card company do a chargeback claiming fraudulent transaction or something. If a person does decide to preform a chargeback against you through their CC company, couldn't YOU contact their CC Company yourself and claim fraud against the person using the account, if you had ample evidence to back it up?

[Dhuk]

ya since my frikin buyer dropped out on me at $2550...im going to be screwed with ebay fees (btw is there any way to get out of those? especially if the buyer didn't pay?) and i NEED to get about that much...anyone think that demand will go that high?

You had a buyer back out, lol, that sucks. But I wouldn't doubt it is happening to alot of sellers (not me). They wake up the next day and see PS3s going for $1,000 less than what they paid.

[tayaf69]

well he accepted the 1200 refund. I guess I'm an idiot for giving it to him, but again, I didn't want to deal with paypal. So, 1400 a system is ok. I'll take what I can get. It does suck though because this loser is selling ps3s and wiis on ebay as well. I hate ebay.

[Psykoboy2]

Looks like for today only, eBay has a $0.20 listing day (http://pages.ebay.com/promo/20centpromotion/) where all insertion fees, no matter the start price, are only $0.20.

[spamfree2]

I doubt that the demand for PS3s will increase. The demand is not there. The system is new and the launch titles are mediocre. Not to mention the Wii & 360 systems. I think the prices are going to drop. I think anyone that really is willing to pay a bunch willbe picking these up now or already picked up.

Man, sitting out in the elements for a such a little profit has gotta bite...

[sotb_96]

Just listed my 20 gig on ebay with a a buy it now of $1,000.00. Would sell it to a fellow cag for $900/ free shipping. My user name on ebay is Claydawg96 if anyone wants to check feed back...just pm me.

[KingofOldSchool]

Just listed my 20 gig on ebay with a a buy it now of $1,000.00. Would sell it to a fellow cag for $900/ free shipping. My user name on ebay is Claydawg96 if anyone wants to check feed back...just pm me.

Oh you're oh so nice to offer us a $500 system for $900.

[chrishicks]

wow, been looking through the ebay auctions and some sellers are getting desperate. they have stuff like "I just want to break even so when this auction hits XXX amount of $ I'll end it for you" and such. I guess the mighty PS3 isn't the cash cow everyone thought it would be.

[sotb_96]

Oh you're oh so nice to offer us a $500 system for $900.
Thanks man! I think youre the bees knees too!

[apokalipze2]

Good luck trying to get a $1,000.000 for that 20 gig. 60 gigs are barely going over that

[benjamouth]

Worked out well standing in line waiting for those PS3's eh? If you sell the 60 gb for $1000 thats $400 profit.

Lets say you stood in line for 4 days, thats 96 hours, so that makes $4.17 an hour, not too shabby.:applause:

[spamfree2]

Worked out well standing in line waiting for those PS3's eh? If you sell the 60 gb for $1000 thats $400 profit.

Lets say you stood in line for 4 days, thats 96 hours, so that makes $4.17 an hour, not too shabby.:applause:

You forgot the Paypal Fees, Ebay Fees, Shipping Fees. Not to mention the chance of your buyer ripping you off.

[benjamouth]

You forgot the Paypal Fees, Ebay Fees, Shipping Fees. Not to mention the chance of your buyer ripping you off.

I did indeed, good point well made.

[spamfree2]

I'm hoping most CAGers were smart enough to camp out at EB/GS instead of the 3+ Days at the other retailers. So I guess it could be a nice chunk of change..

[chrishicks]

I just heard a guy bragging about buying one on ebay for $1500 and something and filed a claim saying it was broke and ended up getting it for free. :rofl:

[Lou-Dawg]

I'm hoping most CAGers were smart enough to camp out at EB/GS instead of the 3+ Days at the other retailers. So I guess it could be a nice chunk of change..

Yes. Total camp time for me was 30 minutes. :applause:

[Javery]

I was on line for less than 1/2 hour to get mine.

[DarienW]

pre-order camp time: 1 hour
pickup camp time: 1min
gotta love CAG for the early info :D

Still has mine sealed... giving it to my gf's little bro for xmas

[tayaf69]

I just heard a guy bragging about buying one on ebay for $1500 and something and filed a claim saying it was broke and ended up getting it for free. :rofl:
How gullible can you be? How would claiming it is broken get you a free system? The buyer would be required to send the item back to the seller in order to get his money back. :bs:

[Lou-Dawg]

How gullible can you be? How would claiming it is broken get you a free system? The buyer would be required to send the item back to the seller in order to get his money back. :bs:

Plus the fact that broken systems are covered under the manufacturer's warrantee...

[spmahn]

So now I'm officially in the clear. My seller got his item and left positive feedback.

I also received a call from Gamestop today telling me that my pre-order had come in. After much consideration, I decided to cancel it. Between the market on eBay tanking, and all the hassle from threats of chargebacks, It's just not worth the effort. I got lucky once, and I'm not going to press my luck, let someone else have a chance.

[DrFoo]

Are stores (mostly ebg/gs) just getting random shipments of PS3s at this point? If you want one should you be calling them every day to find out if they got a shipment?

[Ricochet]

Are stores (mostly ebg/gs) just getting random shipments of PS3s at this point? If you want one should you be calling them every day to find out if they got a shipment?

Well it looks like eb/gs are definately getting a shipment in soon, but that'll mainly go towards filling the rest of the preorders. Best Buy is supposedly not advertising when they get more ps3's in, so calling there every now and then would be a good idea if you want to score one.

[dpatel]

Finally received payment for my PS3. Now, what do you recommend I do to protect myself if the buyer tries to pull something. My plan:

Take as many pictures as I can of the SEALED box, and me packing it.
Ship via UPS
Signature Confirmation
Insurance (do I do it for $500, or the amount he paid over ebay?)

...anything else?

[Dhuk]

wow, been looking through the ebay auctions and some sellers are getting desperate. they have stuff like "I just want to break even so when this auction hits XXX amount of $ I'll end it for you" and such. I guess the mighty PS3 isn't the cash cow everyone thought it would be.

I think those are the idiots who bought people's spots for $1,000+, in hopes to make huge $4,000 profit. Now, they can't break even. AH, too bad, so sad!!

You forgot the Paypal Fees, Ebay Fees, Shipping Fees. Not to mention the chance of your buyer ripping you off.

You for got to add sales Tax (in most states). My ps3 had around $41 tax added on.

[mick16]

Luckily my auction worked out for me as I had an honest buyer and he didn't pull any crap after the fact when the prices started plummeting.

What is really BS is that had the prices of PS3's actually gone up instead of down after last Friday, its not like a seller would have had any recourse to go back to they buyer and charge them more after the prices went up, yet the buyers are essentially screwing the sellers in the reverse fashion.

[sotb_96]

Well i managed to sell my 20 gig for $1,000.00 yesterday so im not too disappointed. The best part was i didnt have to wait in line..The day after release i was in my local walmart at lunch and they started to announce over the intercom in electronics they had a ps3 and i walked around the corner and said i'll take it! but to all you hard working cag that waited in line and sold yours for $3-4,000.00 i salute you!

[guinaevere]

Still not sure what to do with mine. I'll sell it if the market picks up a bit. But does anyone have any experience with IsoldIt stores?

It seems like a cut in profit for less to worry about.

[Javery]

Well, the eCheck cleared and the money seems to be sitting in my Paypal account. Is it safe to transfer to my bank account? Will this raise any red flags with Paypal? Is there any way I can be charged back?

[Roufuss]

Well, the eCheck cleared and the money seems to be sitting in my Paypal account. Is it safe to transfer to my bank account? Will this raise any red flags with Paypal? Is there any way I can be charged back?

You can always be charged back... transferring the money into your bank account won't raise a red flag with Paypal at all, though. I don't keep large amounts of money in my Paypal because any dispute at all will freeze your account... get that out of there ASAP.

Just make sure not to spend it until the buyer gets the PS3, leaves positive feedback, and tells you he's happy with the purchase. I would write him specifically and ask "Hello, I see the DC says you received your Playstation 3, did it get there ok?" and they will say "Yes, I got it, everything works great, thanks!" and then you at least have SOME sort of proof.

[guinaevere]

The money is yours to do with as you please. PayPal is not a savings account. It does you little good sitting there.

[io]

The money is yours to do with as you please. PayPal is not a savings account. It does you little good sitting there.

Actually, I get way more interest from my PayPal account than any bank savings account (and certainly more than any checking account), so I have had a tendency to leave money sitting there. Now, if I was selling a PS3 that might be a different matter ;).

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

Anyone else stuck with a PS3 that they want to sell for big bucks but can't? Any suggestions on what to do?

[mykevermin]

Anyone else stuck with a PS3 that they want to sell for big bucks but can't? Any suggestions on what to do?

:rofl:

I think the words 'fuck off' coupled with 'sucks to be you' suffice.

The only credit you deserve, if any at all, is that you aren't sitting on ten PS3 consoles you can't sell. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in some hillbilly's house where he ended up making about $1500, before eBay fees, paypal fees, packing and shipping, for a buncha PS3 units.

Let me put this to you politely (and believe me, this is hard):

YOU MISSED YOUR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY. THERE IS NO LONGER ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO PAY BIG BUCKS FOR A PS3. SELL IT FOR WHAT YOU CAN GET FOR IT, OR PLUG IT IN AND KEEP YOUR FAMILY WARM FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

seriously. the goddamned thing could replace my home heating system.

If you have a 60GB, you'll be lucky to get $1,100-1,200 for it. 20GB; $700-900.

Take it or leave it baby, unless you can find yourself a time machine.

EDIT: I'd love to sell my copy of "Nintendogs" for a trillion dollars, personally. If nobody wants to pony up that kinda cash for the thing, well...I'm fucked. That's the lesson for today.

[lanzarlaluna]

Anyone else stuck with a PS3 that they want to sell for big bucks but can't? Any suggestions on what to do? Return it. Or fucking play it.

[Zoglog]

fuck paypal, put your money in ING or emigrant direct

[animemaniac14]

so no one thinks the prices on ebay will skyrocket close to christmas?

[Lou-Dawg]

Paypal is still freezing my account, even though my buyer received her PS3 today. I am waiting for them to send me something in the mail (snail mail), that I have to return. I'm sure they are dragging their feet just to hold onto the money longer. FUCK PAYPAL!

[animemaniac14]

so is there even a good time to sell these things anymore? is the price of them EVER going to go up again?!!!! somebody help me out here?!

[Lou-Dawg]

so is there even a good time to sell these things anymore? is the price of them EVER going to go up again?!!!! somebody help me out here?!

I'd say this weekend is your best bet. After this weekend, I think there is no chance of the market shooting back up. Especially with a steady stream of PS3's randomly appearing on store shelves.

[Zoglog]

Skyrocket? maybe not. You'll be able to get more than what you can get now, that's for sure.

Unless Sony miracuously airdrops like 2 million ps3s

[JJSP]

so is there even a good time to sell these things anymore? is the price of them EVER going to go up again?!!!! somebody help me out here?!
Probably mid-afternoon Friday/Saturday. Your best bet is THIS weekend to catch those who couldn't pick up one of the 5 or 6 stores will actually have. Craigslist might be your best bet if you're trying to unload quick. Stick and move, stick and move.

[mykevermin]

And, to reiterate, I hope this weekend is a goddamned bust for you.

Call Merrill Lynch instead. This console resellin's for the birds.

[Lou-Dawg]

And, to reiterate, I hope this weekend is a goddamned bust for you.

Call Merrill Lynch instead. This console resellin's for the birds.

LMAO...even if you sell the 60GB console for a net profit of $100 (which is extremely low), and it took you two weeks, you have an return of 16.67%. Annualized that is a whopping 5403.22%. I would love to have Merrill Lynch provide me with that annualized return :applause:

[Javery]

Well, the funds are being transferred to my bank account but it's going to take 3-4 days. I promised to ship the PS3 overnight so I have to send it out today (if I can - it's Thanksgiving) or first thing tomorrow. I'm a little nervous to part with it but I have been documenting communications (nothing from her yet other than notification of payment) and I will be taking lots of pictures packing it up and sending it out.

[mykevermin]

LMAO...even if you sell the 60GB console for a net profit of $100 (which is extremely low), and it took you two weeks, you have an return of 16.67%. Annualized that is a whopping 5403.22%. I would love to have Merrill Lynch provide me with that annualized return :applause:

You gonna sell a PS3 every day? Of course not, so why make that comparison?

[dallow]

You gonna sell a PS3 every day? Of course not, so why make that comparison?

Who the F are you?
A wrestling fan, ugh.

Oh well, I sold mine already, bought an extra PS3, Wii, games, and new clothes & shoes. Not to mention paying off my credit card bills.
I need a new HDD this weekend as well. I've got money to burn.

[Kendro]

One of the funnier things I've read all day.

Originally posted by some SlickDeals dumbass:

Advice from experienced resellers.

Ok. I need a little honest advice. I have purchased 5 PS3 60GB's off of Ebay at $1000 each. Originally I was thinking that was a good deal and could resell them for $1500. Now I am seeing prices dip below $1000 and just witnessed a guy lose money on a Gamestop Bundle for a 20GB.

What are the odds prices will go back up. I have calculated Ebay and Paypal fees to be around $100 max so that means I need to sell them for $1100 each to break even.

[dallow]

One of the funnier things I've read all day.

Ha, that is sad.

[Dhuk]

One of the funnier things I've read all day.

Haha, that guy is an idiot. He'll pay twice the shipping, and lose out on ebay fees.

Who the F are you?
A wrestling fan, ugh.

Oh well, I sold mine already, bought an extra PS3, Wii, games, and new clothes & shoes. Not to mention paying off my credit card bills.
I need a new HDD this weekend as well. I've got money to burn.

What did your PS3 sell for, $3,000?

[dallow]

What did your PS3 sell for, $3,000?

I wish. But I did sell it early and got about 3 times what I paid for it, so I'm grateful for that.
What a burden reliever, I just lost my first job (Tower Records out of business) and I just started my new one, so it's tiding me over.

[mykevermin]

Who the F are you?
A wrestling fan, ugh.

Yes, that's *all* I am. :roll:

I'm the dude that thinks you're a pitiful wreck for trying to make money reselling a single fucking console. I'm the dude who laughs at the amount of time you waited, the pithy amount of money you made, and the "luxurious" sorts of things you do as a result of one sale. If selling a PS3 is a moneymaking motherfucking prospect to you, then I pity you and the hamburgers you make from 9-5.

Seriously, when the stock market is available, why waste your time on such nonsense?

[cheapfrag]

Yes, that's *all* I am. :roll:

I'm the dude that thinks you're a pitiful wreck for trying to make money reselling a single fucking console. I'm the dude who laughs at the amount of time you waited, the pithy amount of money you made, and the "luxurious" sorts of things you do as a result of one sale. If selling a PS3 is a moneymaking motherfucking prospect to you, then I pity you and the hamburgers you make from 9-5.

Seriously, when the stock market is available, why waste your time on such nonsense?
I'll show you my portfolio if you show me yours?

Last I checked doubling your money in the stock market was harder than doubling your money reselling a PS3. In fact if you want a stock tip - short the stocks that I buy because they're guaranteed to go down.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Yes, that's *all* I am. :roll:

I'm the dude that thinks you're a pitiful wreck for trying to make money reselling a single fucking console. I'm the dude who laughs at the amount of time you waited, the pithy amount of money you made, and the "luxurious" sorts of things you do as a result of one sale. If selling a PS3 is a moneymaking motherfucking prospect to you, then I pity you and the hamburgers you make from 9-5.

Seriously, when the stock market is available, why waste your time on such nonsense?

Why waste your time caring so much about selling a PS3 to make some profit? Why do you even care at all?

I preordered two, and sold both for triple what I paid for them. Would you like to show me an easier way to make $2000 that doesn't involve selling drugs?

Before you pity my pathetic soul, I'm a 19 year old college student making $10 an hour working on campus. I wouldn't consider it to be too far away from flipping hamburgers, but then again... I can't really get a job as a business executive at this point in my life. So to me, and a lot of other people my age, this seems like a worthy investment.

I have tried not to get on anyone's nerves around here with my PS3-peddlin' ways, as well as many of the people who are posting in this thread. I'm saying that because I can see how you could be annoyed with some of the typical PS3 campers, especially ones that come to CHEAP-ASS GAMER to sell their PS3s for 2 grand. But to be this outraged over the concept of selling PS3s is ridiculous.

Just to put things in perspective... I spent about 5 hours total buying and selling these PS3s. How much time have you wasted watching big, sweaty guys rolling around pretending to hurt each other? And how much time have you wasted talking to other wrestling fans about which wrestler could fake-hurt the other wrestlers more?

I've explained the logic behind selling PS3s. Explain the logic behind watching wrestling. Or just pity my pathetic soul; I don't really care.

[animemaniac14]

Why waste your time caring so much about selling a PS3 to make some profit? Why do you even care at all?

I preordered two, and sold both for triple what I paid for them. Would you like to show me an easier way to make $2000 that doesn't involve selling drugs?

Before you pity my pathetic soul, I'm a 19 year old college student making $10 an hour working on campus. I wouldn't consider it to be too far away from flipping hamburgers, but then again... I can't really get a job as a business executive at this point in my life. So to me, and a lot of other people my age, this seems like a worthy investment.

I have tried not to get on anyone's nerves around here with my PS3-peddlin' ways, as well as many of the people who are posting in this thread. I'm saying that because I can see how you could be annoyed with some of the typical PS3 campers, especially ones that come to CHEAP-ASS GAMER to sell their PS3s for 2 grand. But to be this outraged over the concept of selling PS3s is ridiculous.

Just to put things in perspective... I spent about 5 hours total buying and selling these PS3s. How much time have you wasted watching big, sweaty guys rolling around pretending to hurt each other? And how much time have you wasted talking to other wrestling fans about which wrestler could fake-hurt the other wrestlers more?

I've explained the logic behind selling PS3s. Explain the logic behind watching wrestling. Or just pity my pathetic soul; I don't really care.

i just wanted you to know...i hate you...and your damn ON-CAMPUS-$10-SALARY....jerk...i work on campus at my college and get paid a little more than HALF OF THAT! AND I REALLY NEED TO SELL MY FRIKIN PS3!!!!!

[JEKKI]

so here's a question,

is it customary to actually include the receipt with a console if u sell it on ebay??

I understand that ebay would want a receipt shown in attempt to make sure you're not selling something stolen,

but do people expect to receive it as well??

let's say you buy a console with a credit card and include the receipt,

will the recipient have any access or important information to your card??

[Kendro]

Nah I think the receipt is just so you can prove you legitimately purchased it. You don't have to send it with the PS3. Since PS3 is so rare, they probably don't want someone who bought a PS3 on eBay to flip that same PS3 back onto eBay so they want photos that you purchased it legit. Furthermore, if a new system is a defect and the buyer wants to exchange the system, they can just have Sony fix it under its warranty so a receipt isn't needed.

[animemaniac14]

so is the best time to sell the ps3 tomorrow and sat?

[mykevermin]

I can see how you could be annoyed with some of the typical PS3 campers, especially ones that come to CHEAP-ASS GAMER to sell their PS3s for 2 grand. But to be this outraged over the concept of selling PS3s is ridiculous.

That's a fair response. Even I originally said that I'd be a fool to not sell one for $2000 if I could have gotten one on launch day.

My irritation, of course, stems from those who are (1) trying to resell theirs here at those prices and (2) trying to rekindle the flame of last Friday's price frenzy. That's just not gonna happen again.

[animemaniac14]

doesn't look like all the ps3's on ebay r getting very many bids...booooooo...still wondering when the best time to sell it would be...maybe ill just keep watching and HOPE that the prices go up

[Javery]

I'm shipping out my PS3 today! I'm going to hit a UPS place and hopefully they can pack it with the foam peanuts inside a bigger box.

[PhrostByte]

So I reluctantly sold my PS3 for $950 cash... oh well at least I made something off of it :\

And no PayPal/shipping fees. No worries about chargebacks.. I guess it's not that bad.

[animemaniac14]

well im just gonna post my auction for 3 days...and post it at a BIN of $1500...hopefully it sells :( i also put it on craigslist so hopefully it sells on there...cuz then i won't have to pay any ebay fees!

[Kendro]

Unless your PS3 includes a bundle of games, it is not selling for $1500. Even $1200 is pushing it. If you do a search for completed listings, they range from $1000 - $1200.

[Lieutenant Dan]

well im just gonna post my auction for 3 days...and post it at a BIN of $1500...hopefully it sells :( i also put it on craigslist so hopefully it sells on there...cuz then i won't have to pay any ebay fees!

That BIN is too high. I would put it at $900 BIN but make them pay for all the shipping costs. Minus all the fees / expenses, you're looking at roughly $200 profit. It's better than posting it and not being able to sell it.

Make a few dollars and put this behind you. You have to ask yourself how much longer you want to drag this out.

[Javery]

Wow. UPS for Saturday next-day delivery was $150 with packing, insurance, DC and signature required. Looks like I'm only making $500 instead of the $600 I thought because I charged $50 shipping. Still a nice haul though.

[Kendro]

Goddamn that is a lot. Is UPS more dependable? I think USPS tops out at $60 with everything fully loaded (next-day, insurance, delivery and sig confirmation) so I was going to go with them for my PS3 sale.

[JJSP]

Saturday service for UPS is expensive. It's like an extra $60-80.

The benefit to UPS? Actual working tracking numbers. USPS ones are a joke.

[io]

Oh man oh man oh man! I just got bailed out by a BIN bidder on my auction. It had no bids (but an escalating number of views) at about $950 with 3 minutes left. I'm getting ready to have to relist it, then all of a sudden someone swoops in and bites on my $1150 BIN. Fucking Sweet! I know that's not near what some of you got, but it's pretty good right now. Most regular auctions are ending for less than $1000 today.

The first time I listed it I had the 1 day ending last Saturday and I barely even got any looks because there were so many listed. Now, it appears there are fewer listed but the prices have come down to reasonable levels. Based on what I saw out there on BF (ie, a few Wii's available but no PS3s at any of the major stores I went to - I wasn't looking for another but was just curious and none of the stores even had them at opening) I don't think someone paying $1200 shipped for a PS3 is too unreasonable. Hopefully at these prices ($900-$1200) there aren't alot of scammers and non-payers out there, as for many people the trouble of not dealing with waiting around at stores for the slim chance of getting one is worth the extra money.

Once I ship it later today I'll figure out my total profit (after all fees/shipping/etc). It looks like it will be nearly enough for my very own PS3 once they are easy to obtain and IF they fix the damn lack of 1080i upscaling. (If they don't fix that or if it is a slow software solution, then I guess it will pay for my future 360 purchase).

Basically, when I went in to the whole thing (with my EB preorder way back when) I was hoping to make enough to cover most of my own PS3 purchase and, so far, that is what's happening. The goofball inflated prices of last Friday got everyone all giddy - but knowing how many people were buying these to sell, and just an educated guess on how many people in this country were actually willing to pay $2000+ for such a thing, it was unrealistic to expect that to last.

[animemaniac14]

Oh man oh man oh man! I just got bailed out by a BIN bidder on my auction. It had no bids (but an escalating number of views) at about $950 with 3 minutes left. I'm getting ready to have to relist it, then all of a sudden someone swoops in and bites on my $1150 BIN. Fucking Sweet! I know that's not near what some of you got, but it's pretty good right now. Most regular auctions are ending for less than $1000 today.

The first time I listed it I had the 1 day ending last Saturday and I barely even got any looks because there were so many listed. Now, it appears there are fewer listed but the prices have come down to reasonable levels. Based on what I saw out there on BF (ie, a few Wii's available but no PS3s at any of the major stores I went to - I wasn't looking for another but was just curious and none of the stores even had them at opening) I don't think someone paying $1200 shipped for a PS3 is too unreasonable. Hopefully at these prices ($900-$1200) there aren't alot of scammers and non-payers out there, as for many people the trouble of not dealing with waiting around at stores for the slim chance of getting one is worth the extra money.

Once I ship it later today I'll figure out my total profit (after all fees/shipping/etc). It looks like it will be nearly enough for my very own PS3 once they are easy to obtain and IF they fix the damn lack of 1080i upscaling. (If they don't fix that or if it is a slow software solution, then I guess it will pay for my future 360 purchase).

Basically, when I went in to the whole thing (with my EB preorder way back when) I was hoping to make enough to cover most of my own PS3 purchase and, so far, that is what's happening. The goofball inflated prices of last Friday got everyone all giddy - but knowing how many people were buying these to sell, and just an educated guess on how many people in this country were actually willing to pay $2000+ for such a thing, it was unrealistic to expect that to last.

CONGRATS MAN! maybe i should change my BIN to a much more reasonable price :(

[Reality's Fringe]

Anyone get a chargeback yet?

I still haven't got my return receipt in the mail. Needs to get here so I'll feel better. And the guy hasn't left Feedback yet, and also appears to have purchased several PS3s.

[io]

Well, of course I'm not in the clear as the guy has yet to received it and I have to wait out any potential chargeback period (what, 3 months?). But as of right now, I'm looking at about $450 profit. That includes the ebay fees (including all the costs of the one that didn't sell last weekend), PayPal fees, and box + shipping. That is off the MSRP of $600. Since I bought it with trade credit obtained via the trade 3/$10 extra deal and transferred a bunch of credit from GR to EB that way, my actual cost for the PS3 in cash terms was about $210. So my profit from the original cost was over $800. Not too bad.

I'm really glad I got the thing out of here and now just need to relax and deal with any possible issues as they arise.

The guy has low feedback and has bought nothing off ebay in over a year until this auction. However, he had a confirmed address and I sent it USPS with signature confirmation and $1200 of insurance. So I should be set up OK for any problems.

For what it's worth, it weighed $18 lbs (!) in a brand new box that I got at the UPS store for $6. Shipping, including the box purchase, came up to $58.50. I had charged $45 for shipping, so tha's not too bad, though it was more than I expected. The 15x15x20 box at the UPS place worked well, though I cut a couple inches off the height as I've had problems before with anything being over 84" in girth + height being charged a "balloon" charge for USPS priority mail. (This box, of course, comes up to 85 inches!) Now, this was so heavy that it probably wouldn't have had that problem (I think they only charge that on lighter items that are bulky - they basically charge you the 15 lb rate or so -whatever it was it added $12 to a shipment I made once).

Basically, though, I'm just glad to be done with it. It seems like it has been an endless saga but then I just realized today is Friday and I only just got the thing a week ago ;).

[Reality's Fringe]

3 months ona chargeback? I'm not holding onto the cash for that long. It seems the guy was buying cheaper Ps3s to sell them at a higher price, so I'm a little worried now that the market has bottomed out (well, for now).

[tilcfast]

Man, I just watched a bunch of auctions end under $1000. Does anyone think the price will go up before Christmas? I bet the number of systems up stays pretty high for the rest of the Holidays.

[io]

3 months ona chargeback? I'm not holding onto the cash for that long. It seems the guy was buying cheaper Ps3s to sell them at a higher price, so I'm a little worried now that the market has bottomed out (well, for now).

Well, I'm just going off general credit card charge dispute rules - I think that is 90 days. PayPal-specific disputes might have a shorter time. I already pulled out most of my money from PayPal just in case - and I usually just keep it there since the interest rate is better than any other short-term investment.

I'm just saying you can't be completely in the clear until 90+ days.

[Javery]

My bank transfer went through! There is nothing in my PayPal account now so there will be no chargeback - or at least they won't be getting the money back. The PS3 is on its way and I consider this a done deal. Whew!

[Psykoboy2]

My second listing ended today. I had gone down from 1800 on the first listing to 1200 on the second. Still no dice.

I'm getting closer and closer to keeping this thing. I'm going to now try and sell locally in the ad papers here and see what happens.

[animemaniac14]

My second listing ended today. I had gone down from 1800 on the first listing to 1200 on the second. Still no dice.

I'm getting closer and closer to keeping this thing. I'm going to now try and sell locally in the ad papers here and see what happens.
ye thats what im doing right now (ie selling it locally...hopefully)... ain't NO way im keeping this thing...unless some demon spirit takes over my soul and controls me for the rest of my life...but chances of that happening are...ARRGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! :hot:

[harrygetsoff]

LMAO at all the idiot scalpers on ebay. Prices are near retail for 60gigs, the auctions include extras most of the time too. Let's see if they can even break even by Christmas. Maybe this will deter these greedy fucks in the future

[apokalipze2]

LMAO at all the idiot scalpers on ebay. Prices are near retail for 60gigs, the auctions include extras most of the time too. Let's see if they can even break even by Christmas. Maybe this will deter these greedy fucks in the futureUm you're full of shit:roll:. Prices are still a good $300 to $400 dollars more than retail

[dallow]

You know what's good for scalping on ebay right now?

Component Wii cables.... look at this man!

http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&sacat=-1&ftrt=1&fsop=1&sadis=200&submitsearch=Search&from=R10&sargn=-1&sofocus=so&fpos=75229&saprclo=&fis=2&sbrftog=1&fgtp=&satitle=wii+component&saprchi=&ftrv=1

Jeez.

[animemaniac14]

You know what's good for scalping on ebay right now?

Component Wii cables.... look at this man!

http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&sacat=-1&ftrt=1&fsop=1&sadis=200&submitsearch=Search&from=R10&sargn=-1&sofocus=so&fpos=75229&saprclo=&fis=2&sbrftog=1&fgtp=&satitle=wii+component&saprchi=&ftrv=1

Jeez.

MAN OH MAN! why am i trying to sell the PS3?! i should be trying to sell my component cables...SWEEEEEET!

[harrygetsoff]

Um you're full of shit:roll:. Prices are still a good $300 to $400 dollars more than retail

Yes there are some systems $300-$400 over retail. Nevertheless, those asswipe scalpers are barely making a profit now. The longer this gets drawn out, the less they will make :applause:

[Javery]

Positive feedback received! The idiot buyer did say shipping was slow even though I spent $150 to have it sent via UPS next day with Saturday delivery. They paid with an eCheck, it cleared Wednesday night, Thursday was Thanksgiving and I sent it out Friday morning. WTF else was I supposed to do?

[Broccoli Storm]

I'm thinking of just returning mine...dealing with the E-bay fees, shipping, and all that nonsense is almost not worth the few hundred dollars of profit at this point.

[io]

Positive feedback received! The idiot buyer did say shipping was slow even though I spent $150 to have it sent via UPS next day with Saturday delivery. They paid with an eCheck, it cleared Wednesday night, Thursday was Thanksgiving and I sent it out Friday morning. WTF else was I supposed to do?

I've had this problem before - some buyers aren't aware that they are making an "echeck" payment that requires clearance. One time a guy swore up and down he paid with a credit card when that happened. That may be true - perhaps they make it an "echeck" when the card isn't verified or something. Suffice it to say that buyers aren't always aware that there can be a clearance period for PayPal payments. Thus to him he paid, when, last Sunday or Monday? So he probably thinks you held on to it for 4 days before mailing. Whenever I get an echeck payment I make sure they know I need to wait for clearance.

What is really annoying is that PayPal never lets you know the source of the payment (PayPal balance, credit, checking, etc). It would be nice to know in terms of chargebacks, etc.

[Reality's Fringe]

Positive feedback received! The idiot buyer did say shipping was slow even though I spent $150 to have it sent via UPS next day with Saturday delivery. They paid with an eCheck, it cleared Wednesday night, Thursday was Thanksgiving and I sent it out Friday morning. WTF else was I supposed to do?

No feedback left for me yet. Ugh, as long as no shit is pulled, I don't care.

Glad to hear you amde out ok.

[postaboy]

I'm thinking of just returning mine...dealing with the E-bay fees, shipping, and all that nonsense is almost not worth the few hundred dollars of profit at this point.

Don't return it, try posting it at craigslist.com. You can at least make $200-$300 profit.
A friend of mine sold his 20gig ps3 for $760 cash 2 days ago.

[muffinman943]

my supplier was supposed to ship on the 18th, and i havent gotten freaking anything. I am beyond pissed off at the moment. He says it was delayed till the 1st. I paid $670 each for two 20GB systems. This jackass is going to seriously fuck with me if the prices are tanking like this. I cannot believe this fuckers problem i hope hes having a fucking great time. This is a lot of fucking BS, this lazy fuck is just too lazy to actually send me my systems. Looks like i may lose money on this, or be forced to keep em.

would it be worth it to wait until before christmas? Do you think prices will go up?

[getmyrunon]

my supplier was supposed to ship on the 18th, and i havent gotten freaking anything. I am beyond pissed off at the moment. He says it was delayed till the 1st. I paid $670 each for two 20GB systems. This jackass is going to seriously fuck with me if the prices are tanking like this. I cannot believe this fuckers problem i hope hes having a fucking great time. This is a lot of fucking BS, this lazy fuck is just too lazy to actually send me my systems. Looks like i may lose money on this, or be forced to keep em.

would it be worth it to wait until before christmas? Do you think prices will go up?


Did you actually pay the guy before receiving the systems? If yes - why? If no - don't get them?

[vietgurl]

Don't return it, try posting it at craigslist.com. You can at least make $200-$300 profit.
A friend of mine sold his 20gig ps3 for $760 cash 2 days ago.

and remember to bring a friend (a few friends might be better). maybe a bat while you're at it...

[Dhuk]

I'm thinking of just returning mine...dealing with the E-bay fees, shipping, and all that nonsense is almost not worth the few hundred dollars of profit at this point.

Are you talking about all those psychos with fake accounts, that are trying to make you pay high fees, steal your PS3, and get your personal information?

[Javery]

I've had this problem before - some buyers aren't aware that they are making an "echeck" payment that requires clearance. One time a guy swore up and down he paid with a credit card when that happened. That may be true - perhaps they make it an "echeck" when the card isn't verified or something. Suffice it to say that buyers aren't always aware that there can be a clearance period for PayPal payments. Thus to him he paid, when, last Sunday or Monday? So he probably thinks you held on to it for 4 days before mailing. Whenever I get an echeck payment I make sure they know I need to wait for clearance.

What is really annoying is that PayPal never lets you know the source of the payment (PayPal balance, credit, checking, etc). It would be nice to know in terms of chargebacks, etc.
I was "paid" on Saturday night. I tried my best to keep her informed though - I wrote her an email when she won thanking her and saying I'd ship when payment was received. I wrote another when payment was made telling her I'd ship as soon as the eCheck cleared. I wrote another as soon as the check cleared Wednesday night explaining that I probably couldn't ship until Friday morning because of the holiday. Finally, I wrote her one on Friday with all of the shipping information when I sent it out. She didn't write a single one acknowledging anything. Maybe I should say "payment was slow" in her feedback. What a moron.

[Kendro]

Watch out for this "ingenious" scam guys.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60-GB-System-In-Hand-w-Receipt-NEW_W0QQitemZ140057055233QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../go.php?http://www.qksrv.net/click-1312731-5463217?loc=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60-GB-System-In-Hand-w-Receipt-NEW_W0QQitemZ140057055233QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

60GB PS3 sold from a legit eBay seller for $570. The reason the lucky buyer got it for so low is that "someone" placed a bid for $1000 and retracted the bid like 10 seconds before the auction ended. The buyer won a few auctions this way for real cheap, like a $150 Xbox 360. What happens is this:

Buyer bids $570 for PS3.

Scammer bids $1000.

Buyer bids $1010.

Thousand dollar price tag scares away other buyers and no one bids on the auction anymore. No one watches the auction anymore either.

Scammer retracts $1000 due to "entering wrong amount." Buyer's bid goes back down to $570 because the $1000 was "taken out." Thus buyer doesn't need to pay $1010, the next "legit" highest amount is $570. Since the retraction occurs 10 seconds before the auction ends, there is no time for anyone else to bid. Moral of the story, delete ANY 0 bidders. I don't care if we all "have to start somewhere." For something like this, you delete automatically. And if its an awesome amount, like $1500, don't get your hopes up. Delete it right away.

[Z-Saber]

eBay needs to get their act together.

[Lieutenant Dan]

eBay needs to get their act together.

Aint that the truth.

[soonersfan60]

I thought there was a time limit within which you could not retract a bid... If there isn't, there should be--at least for bidders with low feedback or relatively new accounts (say, less than 30 days). Not foolproof, but it would help.

[apokalipze2]

Wow lol.

[io]

I was "paid" on Saturday night. I tried my best to keep her informed though - I wrote her an email when she won thanking her and saying I'd ship when payment was received. I wrote another when payment was made telling her I'd ship as soon as the eCheck cleared. I wrote another as soon as the check cleared Wednesday night explaining that I probably couldn't ship until Friday morning because of the holiday. Finally, I wrote her one on Friday with all of the shipping information when I sent it out. She didn't write a single one acknowledging anything. Maybe I should say "payment was slow" in her feedback. What a moron.

Another thing that I have found often, javeryh, is that MANY ebay buyers don't read their email, or, if they have yahoo or hotmail accounts, ebay notices from sellers often get put into their spam folders. I had some jackass do a chargeback on me for a $20 game - he kept writing me asking when I sent it. I kept responding. Then he opened the dispute saying I was a horrible seller who never contacted him. Note that this was all within 3 days of the auction ending too :rofl:. Turns out all my messages were in his spam folder. He finally figured it out and apologized, but what a pain.

As for the bid retraction, I was wondering if you could do that. I thought of that early last week and wondered if some of these $1500 bids back then weren't made for that purpose. Glad to see THAT loophole exists :roll:.

[Lou-Dawg]

Watch out for this "ingenious" scam guys.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60-GB-System-In-Hand-w-Receipt-NEW_W0QQitemZ140057055233QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../go.php?http://www.qksrv.net/click-1312731-5463217?loc=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60-GB-System-In-Hand-w-Receipt-NEW_W0QQitemZ140057055233QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

60GB PS3 sold from a legit eBay seller for $570. The reason the lucky buyer got it for so low is that "someone" placed a bid for $1000 and retracted the bid like 10 seconds before the auction ended. The buyer won a few auctions this way for real cheap, like a $150 Xbox 360. What happens is this:

Buyer bids $570 for PS3.

Scammer bids $1000.

Buyer bids $1010.

Thousand dollar price tag scares away other buyers and no one bids on the auction anymore. No one watches the auction anymore either.

Scammer retracts $1000 due to "entering wrong amount." Buyer's bid goes back down to $570 because the $1000 was "taken out." Thus buyer doesn't need to pay $1010, the next "legit" highest amount is $570. Since the retraction occurs 10 seconds before the auction ends, there is no time for anyone else to bid. Moral of the story, delete ANY 0 bidders. I don't care if we all "have to start somewhere." For something like this, you delete automatically. And if its an awesome amount, like $1500, don't get your hopes up. Delete it right away.

Wow. As an experienced ebay seller, I'm surprised I haven't heard of this scam before. How did you find out about it?

[Javery]

Wow. I wouldn't be sending out the PS3 if I were him and I think he would be completely justified - although he should have set a reserve.

[muffinman943]

Did you actually pay the guy before receiving the systems? If yes - why? If no - don't get them?

yup, its kinda mandatory to pay for stuff before you recieve it.

[Indiana]

So the PS3 appears to have bottomed out recently on ebay. I'm looking through the ebay and seeing systems end for $700 and $800 regularly. Is the PS3 no longer THE hot item this year? Has Sony over priced the system?

I'm wondering if $399 or $299 is really the high end price for most gamers. Personally I'm a gamer who has not spent more than $199 for a system, but I'm starting to think that I'm in the minority.

[texcaboose]

So the PS3 appears to have bottomed out recently on ebay. I'm looking through the ebay and seeing systems end for $700 and $800 regularly. Is the PS3 no longer THE hot item this year? Has Sony over priced the system?

I'm wondering if $399 or $299 is really the high end price for most gamers. Personally I'm a gamer who has not spent more than $199 for a system, but I'm starting to think that I'm in the minority.

its still hot but not 500+ over retail hot.

paying 700-750 for a 20gig system costing 500+tax is still a good profit margin for ebayers. (80-100dollars profit)

[randy5554]

I got $1,100 for mine (Gamestop didn't get mine in until Tuesday). I'm happy with that because I didn't camp out for hours to get it. I'm glad I got it when I did, because it seems like I put mine up on Ebay just in time.

[io]

That $1000 bid was retracted with 26 seconds left. I don't think that kind of crap should be allowed. The buyer can always weasel out of paying if they TRULY made a mistake - they shouldn't get to hose an auction like that (whether it was intentional or not). This guy has pretty cheap shipping on the auction too, so he's set to lose about $100 after shipping and fees.

Looking at the bid history, the eventual winner first bid at 19:52. Then the zero-feedback retracting bidder bid at 19:54. Then the winner bid two more times at 19:56. Then the retraction happened at 20:44:01. The auction ended at 20:44:27.

So this is what happened: The eventual "winner" bid $500 at 19:52 and then something a bit higher a few seconds later as another bidder had a $520 bid in there. Then the fake account is used to bid $1000 at 19:54. The "winner" then bids some amount above $1000 and the auction sits there at $1010 or something till near closing. No one bids since most are ending under $1000 now. Then they retract the first $1000 bid, leaving the "winning" bid at $570, which is the minimal increment over the last real bid from another buyer (which was $560).

Seems clever, but the timing of it all is very suspicious and I'd be surprised if ebay didn't side with the seller in this case. The "winner" and the other bidder are still registered, so it will be interesting to see if they get banned.


WOW - look at this auction, for which the same buyer got a positive feedback for:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=130045933543

Looks like the same kind of activity here - a cancelled bid of $570 with about 30 seconds left and robotchickenfried wins an Xbox 360 for $142.50. This seller didn't seem to notice. Amazing...

Holy crap! This guy used the same fake account to get a (relatively) game cheap too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230049292733

This was nearly the same time as the Xbox 360 auction. That one would be hard to notice, probably, without seeing the pattern in the other auctions. I'm surprised the Xbox 360 seller didn't notice - though that seller seems to have her own issues (bad feedback).

If you look at the negative feedback for the fake bidding account it looks like he didn't get a retraction done in time on this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250047527056

and thus just didn't pay for it. Notice robotchickenfried has bid on that also - he just messed up the retraction I guess. Because of the negative feedback he had to use another new account (with zero feedback) for the PS3 auction.

[fred_h_haddad]

Reported. Hopefuly robotchickenfried will see (suspended) next to his name.

[Lou-Dawg]

Reported. Hopefuly robotchickenfried will see (suspended) next to his name.

I reported him too. Though honestly, Ebay doesn't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck about any of their users.

[charles]

Hey guys a little advice is needed.....

So I finally sold a ps3, it ended early with buy it now at 1050...unfortunately, the buyer is from Nigeria and he payed with paypal even thought I specifically said money orders only.....The money is in the paypal account but isnt credited until I send a tracking number, but anyway, I dont have a business account, so I cant accept a payment of that size, right?

Anyway, this seems like an obvious scam, am I right?

[D4rkN1ght]

Hey guys a little advice is needed.....

So I finally sold a ps3, it ended early with buy it now at 1050...unfortunately, the buyer is from Nigeria and he payed with paypal even thought I specifically said money orders only.....The money is in the paypal account but isnt credited until I send a tracking number, but anyway, I dont have a business account, so I cant accept a payment of that size, right?

Anyway, this seems like an obvious scam, am I right?

NO NIGERIA, I DONT CARE IF HE SENDS YOU CASH IN THE MAIL ITS A SCAM

[imascrub]

nigeria is synonymous with scam

[charles]

haha, yeah that was my first reaction, so many cams coming out of there....now I have to wait a week before filing a non-paying bidder dispute and the like right? and could he leave me negative feedback for not sending it to him?

[randy5554]

haha, yeah that was my first reaction, so many cams coming out of there....now I have to wait a week before filing a non-paying bidder dispute and the like right? and could he leave me negative feedback for not sending it to him?
I would start up another auction right away. Add the dude from Nigeria to your blocklist so he won't do it again (Google for instructions).

Go ahead and file the non-paying bidder thing, but put that PS3 back up for auction before you get the dispute settled.

He might leave you negative feedback, but you could reply to it with reasons as to why he's a lying scumbag ("paid in Paypal when I said not to, from Nigeria, etc.").

[charles]

heh, this guy is a real bastard, he now changed his feedback to private, and it went from (1) to (-1) without his overall feedback changing, so he mustve hacked ebay or something weird is going on....
Now he sent me an email using a different email account pretending that he's from the netherlands saying:
"Good to hear from my good friend well i whould have love to pay you via poster money order but deu to the problem i have with my bank i can only pay any payment with paypal for now so kindlly bear it with me and get the item ship why you also provide me the shipping tracking number"

haha, very funny why would I ship to Nigeria if you are in the netherlands....

wow, ebay really sucks for sellers....I learned my lesson, no more scalping after this fiasco

[imascrub]

I wonder what it is with nigeria and scammers

[MAH4546]

I wonder what it is with nigeria and scammers

It is the most ridiculously and sadly corrupt country in the world. You can get away with anything with Nigeria as long as you have some cash. And, thanks to oil, quite a few people in Nigeria are very well off, although they represent a small proportion of the population.

[Zoglog]

My friend used to do the bid retract thing back long long ago in like 1998 or so and it worked for him. He said around 2000 ebay started cracking down, but before that it was easy to do that trick.

[fred_h_haddad]

Block bid from foreign countries. It's in your setting to 'only allow bids from u.s. & canada' users.

[animemaniac14]

Block bid from foreign countries. It's in your setting to 'only allow bids from u.s. & canada' users.

awww man but what if you consider canada a foreign country?:hot:

[Lou-Dawg]

heh, this guy is a real bastard, he now changed his feedback to private, and it went from (1) to (-1) without his overall feedback changing, so he mustve hacked ebay or something weird is going on....
Now he sent me an email using a different email account pretending that he's from the netherlands saying:
"Good to hear from my good friend well i whould have love to pay you via poster money order but deu to the problem i have with my bank i can only pay any payment with paypal for now so kindlly bear it with me and get the item ship why you also provide me the shipping tracking number"

haha, very funny why would I ship to Nigeria if you are in the netherlands....

wow, ebay really sucks for sellers....I learned my lesson, no more scalping after this fiasco

Please give us his ebay user name so I can look him up and report him to ebay.

Also, feel free to string him along as long as possible. For great ideas read up on scamming Nigerian scammers at 419eater.com. The Harry Potter hand written scam is one of the funniest things I have read on the internet.

[Gentlegamer]

After reading about the scams, I'm now more disgusted with the scammers than the scalpers.

[imascrub]

ebay sounds pretty dangerous all of a sudden...

[Kendro]

What exactly is the Nigeria eBay scam? I'm still kind of a newb at the eBay thing. But I always see auctions that end with, "No I do not care if your daughter is studying abroad in Nigeria, I will not send them a PS3." What is it about Nigeria that makes the scam and not some other foreign country?

Edit - So I Googled "eBay Nigeria scam" and found some pretty funny yet sad stuff. I guess even the most level-headed person can get caught off guard, but I can't believe these morons fell for fake emails.

[animemaniac14]

i've started just adding anyone whose bid on a ps3 before mine ends AND who has 0 or 1 or 2 or less than 10 feedback to my blocklist...seems to keep tthose damn spammers away...i hope...i got my PS3 now at an $1100 BIN...hope it sells

[Weedy649]

What exactly is the Nigeria eBay scam? I'm still kind of a newb at the eBay thing. But I always see auctions that end with, "No I do not care if your daughter is studying abroad in Nigeria, I will not send them a PS3." What is it about Nigeria that makes the scam and not some other foreign country?

Edit - So I Googled "eBay Nigeria scam" and found some pretty funny yet sad stuff. I guess even the most level-headed person can get caught off guard, but I can't believe these morons fell for fake emails.

It happens on craigslist with other countries. A person will have an item for sale and then all of a sudden when you e-mail them, they moved to the UK or Amesterdam or something....but the good news is they still have the item!

So i thought to myself, why would someone sell a plasma but pay to bring it overseas and bother to sell it at the same price where they used to live at. Not to mention that the listing date and the current date werent too far apart.

So i did a quick google search and everything from the listing to the e-mail word for word was a scam. For that reason i stay away from selling or buying from other countries(aside from canada). Only exceptions i make are as a buyer for sellers with alot of feedback or as a trader on a site like gametz or CAG where i talk to the person before hand.

[imascrub]

What exactly is the Nigeria eBay scam? I'm still kind of a newb at the eBay thing. But I always see auctions that end with, "No I do not care if your daughter is studying abroad in Nigeria, I will not send them a PS3." What is it about Nigeria that makes the scam and not some other foreign country?

Edit - So I Googled "eBay Nigeria scam" and found some pretty funny yet sad stuff. I guess even the most level-headed person can get caught off guard, but I can't believe these morons fell for fake emails.

That's the classic hook that they use to attempt to reel you in

It's usually something about a son or daughter studying abroad and the parent really wants to surprise them. Or somebody is dying and would like to make this their last dying wish (I'm dying! Gib me ps3!). Some kind of crap like that.

[animemaniac14]

MINE WENT FOR $1100! YAY! so i made about a $400 profit...with ebay and paypal fees and all...man IM happy...and the guy already paid and everything, so im quickly withdrawing all the money out of my account so he can't do any chargebacks :)

[Dhuk]

MINE WENT FOR $1100! YAY! so i made about a $400 profit...with ebay and paypal fees and all...man IM happy...and the guy already paid and everything, so im quickly withdrawing all the money out of my account so he can't do any chargebacks :)

Is that the same PS3 you were going to make around $1200 + on, but the guy backed out?

[eau]

i've started just adding anyone whose bid on a ps3 before mine ends AND who has 0 or 1 or 2 or less than 10 feedback to my blocklist...seems to keep tthose damn spammers away...i hope...i got my PS3 now at an $1100 BIN...hope it sells
Would you mind sharing your blocklist?

[animemaniac14]

Is that the same PS3 you were going to make around $1200 + on, but the guy backed out?
well the girl backed out on it...but i demanded compensation for lost time and effort and ebay fees to pay off...and i got a good $300 from her instead of $2500 like the amount she had won the auction for...but i still made a profit of about $500-$600 so im happy. and im AMAZED that someone actually pays attention to my posts O_o

Would you mind sharing your blocklist?

quite a long list i've compiled...

82transam350, 9659victor, acarlisle53, acj2121, adamelodi, adewomon, akey2007, alank212, allamerreject145, alyss03, aqua2479, ariggs96, atkinson727, austin0040, ayeep401, b.johns, baboon701, bajan1234, beccaface22, bh56ko, bid_boy_walshey, biggrigs173, bigjody111, billybaru13, bloodtearzsweat, bonesviper777, brainz11203, btinsley992, cardgod111, cashyo999, chocalek24, couponclipperntx, crazyandyhair, crock4200, ctran1337, danielec7232, danschley, depasquale866, eyelyktoys, ez_shops, farshad_81_2002, foreverfit79, frankieboy745, frshplyr488, fsdc1, gohuskies1908, gummyrabbit, harald4786, hawk247ada, heroslegacy24, heybabe_12, hf299, hp_rsx_s, huai, ich00012, ihategreedypeople, ihategreedypeople3, imcken32, isaac-5212, jad19760, jake5343, jayberk17, jbccity82, jharris401, jlucido7, jmcbride2010, john77hike, johnnyballgame5, johnnywadd37, josephaddai10, jreed075, jswank973, jtpatriots, keystonecop96, kiangsta, kneser2006, knoameshie, lazer9284, ldanc3likemj, lgutfa, liltif_012001, lovelikewinter0, lovetobid1008, luiandterry, machineissad, marclasry, matt307165, metungyamu, michaels1501, midwestsports2002, mixloud, mmlasiter, moeabdallah24, mrsophistication, mxmstr88, nighthawklxxxvi, noxsucow_1noxsucow, plasticadhesive, prosprac92, pserra68, psingley85, purchcraig, qside23, rachellenandre, rangersnyrangers1, rayd4565, ream8213, rinsudabell, robert42899, robin_elite, robotchickenfried, rohrer23, rounderj32, rpgamer101, samwkim, sdfd_504, sh0esy, shadowhearted, shakkit, snation100, soldatos, spy358, stevenchung1984, suckit123456, superman1584, taylorneuman17, tejjh1, themp3zone, thormaster3, tonyt3879, trustnu2, vanoctane, virtualdropzone, wardmusic29, wootang365, xitebike

[io]

Aren't you like the second person who got compensated for someone backing out? I can't believe that - I've had many buyers back out over the years and I don't get so much as a response from them, let alone any compensation :roll:. It is unbelievable to me that they gave you $300 for not buying it. Wow...

In any case, it seems the BIN are the way to go on these. They seem to get $1100 or so BIN, while ending under $1000 if they are regular auctions.

[animemaniac14]

Aren't you like the second person who got compensated for someone backing out? I can't believe that - I've had many buyers back out over the years and I don't get so much as a response from them, let alone any compensation :roll:. It is unbelievable to me that they gave you $300 for not buying it. Wow...

In any case, it seems the BIN are the way to go on these. They seem to get $1100 or so BIN, while ending under $1000 if they are regular auctions.

i was VEry reasonable with this woman and i could tell she was an honest person so i was always as accomodating as i could be. thats what'll get you the compensation you need...gotta be a nice guy ;)

[io]

i was VEry reasonable with this woman and i could tell she was an honest person so i was always as accomodating as i could be. thats what'll get you the compensation you need...gotta be a nice guy ;)

Uh, I'm hardly the "mean" guy. It is just that 99% of buyers who don't pay just never respond in any way shape or form, whether your contact them or not. What I do is send out multiple invoices (one every few days). If I don't hear from them within a week I file the non-paying bidder alert. Then 8 days after that I get my closing fees credited back - all usually without a peep from the buyer. YOU were lucky to have such a nice buyer - she obviously contacted you about backing out instead of just ignoring everything.

Though I wouldn't say you were the nice guy and so accomodating - asking for $300 in compensation when she didn't even get an item is pretty bold and uncompromising! After all, the worst you could do to her otherwise is give her a negative feedback. I wouldn't consider 1 negative worth $300! The "accomodating" thing would have been to just ask for the listing fees back ($30 or so depending on how you listed it). But, hey, it worked out for you. I just don't want anyone else to get the impression that they will be able to do this - it is very rare.

[dallow]

The transaction for the PS3 I sold the day after launch is now over. She left me good feedback.

Ahh, sigh of relief.

[ofacto]

MINE WENT FOR $1100! YAY! so i made about a $400 profit...with ebay and paypal fees and all...man IM happy...and the guy already paid and everything, so im quickly withdrawing all the money out of my account so he can't do any chargebacks :)

PAYPAL is limiting access on seller accounts which are involved with Ps3 auctions. This is what happened to a relative of mine, as soon as the auction ended, she transfered $1000 to her bank accout and a few hours later PAYPAL reversed the transfer and limited the account until they get proof that the buyer received the PS3. It sucks big time.

Anyway I am still debating if I should sell the PS3 I am sitting on (I got it this past Sun.) $1100 sounds like a good price to me, but I still kinda of hoping the price will get higher closer to Xmas. I may end up keeping it but the only game I want to play right now is Resistance, plus I have a Wii and a 360 which I don't even have time to play right now.

[TheBlueWizard]

PAYPAL is limiting access on seller accounts which are involved with Ps3 auctions. This is what happened to a relative of mine, as soon as the auction ended, she transfered $1000 to her bank accout and a few hours later PAYPAL reversed the transfer and limited the account until they get proof that the buyer received the PS3. It sucks big time.

This was a surprise to me when it happened. I got all of the crap that I needed to get to Paypal and the PS3 was delivered today. I estimate that if I get my money released by the end of the year, I'll be doing good.

Is this limiting access policy allowed in their EULA? If not, we should all get together and file a class action lawsuit against Paypal. You could probably make the case that they are illegally holding money. I only had an account to get paid for my PS3, and it sucks that I might not have the money in time for the holidays.

TBW

PS I guess, in retrospect, its no more than I deserve....teach me to scalp a damn system.

[io]

I saw that post about the limited accounts and PayPal waiting to hear from the buyer. What level of feedback do you guys have? When I sold mine I pulled the money out the same day and had no problem - no "limiting" or anything. My buyer has received their PS3 (according to signature confirmation) but I haven't heard anything from them in 2 days since they received it - no acknowledgement and no complaints... I don't consider myself semi-safe till I see that feedback though. But I don't get this PayPal limit thing - it must only apply to low feedback sellers or perhaps new PayPal accounts??

Edit - just checked my bank account, the money I xferred out of PayPal last Friday minutes after my buyer paid is now sitting in my checking account. Of course, I didn't empty my PayPal entirely - there's still a few $100 in there, which could get snagged in a chargeback.

[animemaniac14]

thats SO ridiculous that paypal is making you keep the money in your paypal account until the buyer has received the ps3...cuz the buyer CAN say that he/she DIDN'T get he ps3...even if they aCTUALLY DID...and they can do a fucking chargeback on you and get all their money back...WTF paypal...fuck you

[dallow]

I've got 250+ feedback and emptied that Paypal balance down to 0 just hours after I was paid.

Nothing happened to me.

[animemaniac14]

when exactly did you do this?

[io]

when exactly did you do this?

Mine was last Friday. Just got an email from my buyer that the PS3 was received in good condition! Woo-hoo!

I'm wondering if the PayPal restrictions were just on new sellers or sellers with new PayPal accounts. BlueWizard seems to be implying he just got his PayPal account for the purpose of selling the PS3. So that could be it. It makes sense for ebay/PayPal to keep an eye on brand new seller accounts for this type of item. Though probably, at this point, with the prices way down they could stop with all the restrictions (including the pictures with receipt, etc).

[animemaniac14]

ya i got PLENTY of verified transactions on paypal with 50+ feedback...so i better not have a problem...man the guy i sold my ps3 to made me call him up and confirm that i wasn't going to scam HIM...i was more afraid he was gonna scam ME...O_o

[Reality's Fringe]

I withdrew the money from my Paypal account the very day it was sent (launch day) and haven't had anything weird happen yet. I only have 35 feedback.

[Kendro]

ya i got PLENTY of verified transactions on paypal with 50+ feedback...so i better not have a problem...man the guy i sold my ps3 to made me call him up and confirm that i wasn't going to scam HIM...i was more afraid he was gonna scam ME...O_o

Why would you calling him confirm that it isn't a scam? He just wants to hear the words, "Don't worry I'm not going to scam you?"

[animemaniac14]

Why would you calling him confirm that it isn't a scam? He just wants to hear the words, "Don't worry I'm not going to scam you?"

i really wonder if i should wait til the money fully transfers into my bank account before i send off the ps3?

[Kendro]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console_W0QQitemZ200051630521QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This guys is an idiot for bundling 6 games and an extra controller with a 20GB PS3. He also included an external 250GB hard drive. Even included free shipping. He made a net loss of at least $350.

[ofacto]

Mine was last Friday. Just got an email from my buyer that the PS3 was received in good condition! Woo-hoo!

I'm wondering if the PayPal restrictions were just on new sellers or sellers with new PayPal accounts. BlueWizard seems to be implying he just got his PayPal account for the purpose of selling the PS3. So that could be it. It makes sense for ebay/PayPal to keep an eye on brand new seller accounts for this type of item. Though probably, at this point, with the prices way down they could stop with all the restrictions (including the pictures with receipt, etc).

Its not just new sellers, as the person I mentioned above has had their Paypal and ebay account for a couple of years with more than 100 transactions. Their reasoning was the account was limited because of a sudden increase activity (i.e. $1000+ sold auction). It all seems kinda of random who gets account limited. There's a thread on slickdeals about this. Its kinda of a Catch 22, cause they want to make sure you ship the item, but at the same time since they lock the account you cannot use any of the money the buyer has paid you for shipping.