The Official E-Bay Scalping Thread

[io]

Its not just new sellers, as the person I mentioned above has had their Paypal and ebay account for a couple of years with more than 100 transactions. Their reasoning was the account was limited because of a sudden increase activity (i.e. $1000+ sold auction). It all seems kinda of random who gets account limited. There's a thread on slickdeals about this. Its kinda of a Catch 22, cause they want to make sure you ship the item, but at the same time since they lock the account you cannot use any of the money the buyer has paid you for shipping.

Ah, so it is an activity thing. I've never sold anything before this over $1000 but I've had a few $100+ and many smaller ones. So I guess that was enough activity to warrant not doing this hold thingy.

[io]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console_W0QQitemZ200051630521QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This guys is an idiot for bundling 6 games and an extra controller with a 20GB PS3. He also included an external 250GB hard drive. Even included free shipping. He made a net loss of at least $350.

Wow, that sure was stupid. DON'T bundle anything, or at least not that many games. People won't pay a premium for that when every one of those games is available in every gaming related store in the country :roll:.

You know, I'd seriously consider BIDDING on one of these auctions - you can get stuff at a significant discount if you catch a bundle like this. If it wasn't for the lack of a 1080i upscaler I might just have done that. I could take my $1000+ net (after fees but not the price of the system) and spend that on a new one WITH a bunch of games and have some money left over. The problem is I wouldn't even want 1/2 of those games, so that makes it not such a great deal all around (for the buyer AND seller).

[Dhuk]

Wow, that sure was stupid. DON'T bundle anything, or at least not that many games. People won't pay a premium for that when every one of those games is available in every gaming related store in the country :roll:.

You know, I'd seriously consider BIDDING on one of these auctions - you can get stuff at a significant discount if you catch a bundle like this. If it wasn't for the lack of a 1080i upscaler I might just have done that. I could take my $1000+ net (after fees but not the price of the system) and spend that on a new one WITH a bunch of games and have some money left over. The problem is I wouldn't even want 1/2 of those games, so that makes it not such a great deal all around (for the buyer AND seller).

Is ebay messing with their sellers auction titles? My friend had his PS3 auction title altered, just like that guy had his title altered to: "-game console". wow is eBay becoming bad.

[io]

Is ebay messing with their sellers auction titles? My friend had his PS3 auction title altered, just like that guy had his title altered to: "-game console". wow is eBay becoming bad.

I don't know about that, but when I revised something in my auction early on I noticed that the title reset to the generic "Playstation 3 console" (or something like that). I barely noticed it and had to go back in and change it. Sometimes the ebay relist/sell similar/revise pages reset the title if you use UPC info or and of their "prefilled" item shortcuts, even if you are just modifying the price or something. It is hella annoying.

[Dhuk]

I don't know about that, but when I revised something in my auction early on I noticed that the title reset to the generic "Playstation 3 console" (or something like that). I barely noticed it and had to go back in and change it. Sometimes the ebay relist/sell similar/revise pages reset the title if you use UPC info or and of their "prefilled" item shortcuts, even if you are just modifying the price or something. It is hella annoying.

Ah, that may be the reason. Yeah, the new format sucks.

[animemaniac14]

so im wondering if i should wait for my money to transfer to my bank account from paypal before i send off the ps3...as to avoid this guy doing a charge back on me...

[Lou-Dawg]

I'm a medium volume (I usually send out several packages a week) seller with over 100 feedback and my paypal account got flagged. I'm convinced it is random. I sent EVERYTHING Paypal requested and they still haven't released my money. I'm gonna call them today all pissed if they don't release it by the end of the business day.

[MadFlava]

The market has cooled off big time. I see that 20 GB are selling for $700 and 60 GB are going for $1000. I guess this is a good thing for christmas gift buyers, I wonder if the prices will surge higher as we get closer to Christmas?

[animemaniac14]

The market has cooled off big time. I see that 20 GB are selling for $700 and 60 GB are going for $1000. I guess this is a good thing for christmas gift buyers, I wonder if the prices will surge higher as we get closer to Christmas?

i very much doubt it :(

[MadFlava]

i very much doubt it :(
I think your right, I think this will either be the steady price or it will drop further. Common sense has to kick in at some point and educated buyers aren't going to keep paying over $200 over retail value for the PS3.
I think you'll see a surge of people puting their PS3's on the market the week before Christmas expecting to make a killing off desperate parents and the prices will tank again because of an over flow of supply. I've been reading the forums and there are a bunch of people waiting to put their PS3's on the market before Christmas.

[muffinman943]

I think your right, I think this will either be the steady price or it will drop further. Common sense has to kick in at some point and educated buyers aren't going to keep paying over $200 over retail value for the PS3.
I think you'll see a surge of people puting their PS3's on the market the week before Christmas expecting to make a killing off desperate parents and the prices will tank again because of an over flow of supply. I've been reading the forums and there are a bunch of people waiting to put their PS3's on the market before Christmas.

Even if the price does go up, consider this... Its been 2 and the ps3 has gone from huge amounts like 2,000 to ~650 dollars. We still have december ahead of us, with even more shipments coming in. The price will keep going down i can garuantee that. If it goes up in price before christmas, it will still be going for less then what they are right now (prediction)

[Kendro]

It's over. PS3 is done. These 60GB JUST ended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Premium-60GB-North-American-Version_W0QQitemZ140059307883QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-Premium-Console_W0QQitemZ320055853085QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PlayStation-3-PS3-60GB-60-GB-With-Talladega-Nights_W0QQitemZ160057968018QQihZ006QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$810, $860, $850. 2 weeks ago they were topping out at $1200, then a week ago they were topping out at $1000. It's over. Selling a PS3 for $850 means roughly a $125 profit after eBay and PayPal fees.

[animemaniac14]

ehhh as long as its over $100, i'd be happy with it O_o

[io]

It's over. PS3 is done. These 60GB JUST ended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Premium-60GB-North-American-Version_W0QQitemZ140059307883QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-Premium-Console_W0QQitemZ320055853085QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PlayStation-3-PS3-60GB-60-GB-With-Talladega-Nights_W0QQitemZ160057968018QQihZ006QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$810, $860, $850. 2 weeks ago they were topping out at $1200, then a week ago they were topping out at $1000. It's over. Selling a PS3 for $850 means roughly a $125 profit after eBay and PayPal fees.

Which *still* isn't too bad as long as you just happen to see one in a store and pick it up. Going through any effort to sell one, on the other hand... Plus, at these lower sale prices you are more likely to get a serious buyer and not be scammed (making the sale less stressful for all involved).

I kind of figured $800 is probably the low for these for a while. I mean, they are still near impossible to find and if some parent can pick one up for $850 shipped, that is WELL worth the extra cost vs running all over town to spend $600 + tax on one. So I really doubt they will drop any lower until January or later. I think $800 is a built-in floor for these things for a while.

Now, will they spike a bit in about 2 weeks? Who knows, but I do think many people who couldn't sell them the first week are holding on to them with that hope, which, as others have said, will probably counteract any last minute buyers.

The BIG winner in all of this, is, of course, eBay itself. In addition to all the legitimately completed auctions with all their fees ($30-$50 each depending on what extras were added to the listings + $30 or so in PayPal fees) there are the THOUSANDS of auctions that people listed for $1-$30 in listing fees that didn't sell - eBay KEEPS those fees for good!

[Rimmit]

The Wii effect is greater then I ever anticipated for the ps3. W/o the sole focus on one new system launch, making it the MUST have gift of the season, the Wii has now taken the title of the MUST HAVE gift for this xmas season. Only hardcore gamers and teens w/ parents w/ money are even bothering w/ a ps3. I guess at some point consumers do pay attention to price points. Had the ps3 been the only launch, the prices would have dropped much slower, like the xbox360's did. Even before xmas you could still make around 150 dollars off a 360, now the ps3's are barely making profit. It's definitely not worth the effort to track one down unless you just walk into teh store and see one there. Prices will probably hover around 800 from now till the end of xmas. I feel bad for all those poor people who actually waited outside, and didn't list theirs immediately. I'm really glad I had my auction end the morning of launch for a cool couple thousand, w/ a buyer who still has not called fowl and a paypal account that continues to function.

Update:
Wow, just checked the completed listing on ebay. Almost NONE of the ps3's are even breaking 900. What a disaster for sony. There is practically NO demand, along w/ the total lack of systems. Total disaster. I'm really starting to question whether sony will survive this round of the console wars. The 360 is looking more and more appealling esp. w/ games like gears of war. I absolutely hated halo, but I must admit, gears of war is a TON of fun to play.

[YoshiFan1]

20GB for $575, they barely made more than a few dollars:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180056856976

[Rimmit]

Just as a measure of gauging interest in the ps3, you can look at the number of hits an auction is getting at the bottom. PS3 auctions are getting around 400 or so hits. Some even less. That's already at auctions end. That's abysmal.

The wii is getting around 90 or so hits at auctions end, albeit there are more wii's and people are holding out more hope of walking into a store and getting one.

Either way, there isn't much ebay interest in either of these systems. Those hoping to pop their's onto ebay better do so soon, before the interest drops down to virtually nothing.

[mykevermin]

Update:
Wow, just checked the completed listing on ebay. Almost NONE of the ps3's are even breaking 900. What a disaster for sony. There is practically NO demand, along w/ the total lack of systems. Total disaster. I'm really starting to question whether sony will survive this round of the console wars. The 360 is looking more and more appealling esp. w/ games like gears of war. I absolutely hated halo, but I must admit, gears of war is a TON of fun to play.

I fail to see how a system selling for 150% of retail translates into a failure for the manufacturer.

This goes for Kendro's "PS3 is done" claim. Do you mean the console itself, or just the reselling frenzy?

[KingofOldSchool]

It's over. PS3 is done. These 60GB JUST ended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Premium-60GB-North-American-Version_W0QQitemZ140059307883QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-Premium-Console_W0QQitemZ320055853085QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PlayStation-3-PS3-60GB-60-GB-With-Talladega-Nights_W0QQitemZ160057968018QQihZ006QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$810, $860, $850. 2 weeks ago they were topping out at $1200, then a week ago they were topping out at $1000. It's over. Selling a PS3 for $850 means roughly a $125 profit after eBay and PayPal fees.

And then you got to factor in any miss time at work, lack of sleep, missed classes.

[randy5554]

I can't believe there are still some random "Buy It Now" auctions for over $3000.

[Rimmit]

I fail to see how a system selling for 150% of retail translates into a failure for the manufacturer.

When the Wii is selling for around 125-145% over retail and it's like 5 year old technology, and you're "NEXT GEN" console is getting slaughtered in sales by that same system=launch failure to me.

Don't get me wrong. I love Sony and will buy a ps3 in january, it's just that their launch was a disaster, and interest is quickly waning.

[Dhuk]

$125 profit, it dosen't matter, there will still be desperate low lifes who will scalp the PS3. But the prices are dropping, good for buyers. The 20GB is just not worth buying, hands down. I think another reason the prices have dropped so radically is due to all the scuz bag scammers and that scares off potential buyers.

[mykevermin]

When the Wii is selling for around 125-145% over retail and it's like 5 year old technology, and you're "NEXT GEN" console is getting slaughtered in sales by that same system=launch failure to me.

Don't get me wrong. I love Sony and will buy a ps3 in january, it's just that their launch was a disaster, and interest is quickly waning.

Because the markup for the PS3 and Wii is similar? I don't get your reasoning.

$125 profit, it dosen't matter, there will still be desperate low lifes who will scalp the PS3. But the prices are dropping, good for buyers. The 20GB is just not worth buying, hands down. I think another reason the prices have dropped so radically is due to all the scuz bag scammers and that scares off potential buyers.

Perhaps. This isn't really *any* different from the 360 launch last year. I merely think that, since the PS3 is close to (but does not exceed) the maximum price people are willing to pay for a new system (and those people paying $1000+ the past few weeks can be seen as "early adopters" in technological dissemination terminology, and not representative of gamers as a whole), there's not much roomo at all for a profit margin on the sellers' end before they've exceeded the price people are willing to pay for them. I don't mind at all, because the past two years have shown that, while exciting, console manufacturers need to get their shit together and not rush a launch.

In the end, I'm still not understanding those who proclaim the PS3 DOA, or something similar, because it's not selling for $1000 anymore. The 360's certainly a helluva system to own this year, yet it had the same resale dropoff shortly after launch.

[Rimmit]

The ps3 is not DOA. I never said that. I just said the launch was a disaster, and I think it's hard to argue that. The ps3 will be an awesome system in about a year. I'm just stating it is no longer the MUST HAVE system of the year. The wii has taken that place. the ps3 is the MUST HAVE HARDCORE GAMER system of the season, but not the general masses must have system.

however, I've never seen market penetration as fast as I have w/ the Wii. When the ps2 launched, I saw maybe 2 in a dorm of 300 at the time, and I know everyone in my dorm as it was like a frat, so I just how many there are.

My brother who is now in the same dorm as I was in college could only find 1 360 in the dorm at launch. He's said no one owns a ps3 after that launch, however, there are at minimum 4 wii's, plus him making 5. While this is a small representative population, I've never seen a system invade a dorm so fast, and also garner as much NONGAMER attention, i.e. - girls and moms. Girls love the wii, even more so then mario party or anyother cutesy nintendo gamecube game. I believe the wii will make a lot of headway, much like the ds has expanded the gaming market.

My point in regards to mark up is that Relative to price point, people are willing to pay the same for the Wii as a ps3 Relative to original MSRP.

[mykevermin]

The ps3 is not DOA. I never said that. I just said the launch was a disaster, and I think it's hard to argue that. The ps3 will be an awesome system in about a year. I'm just stating it is no longer the MUST HAVE system of the year. The wii has taken that place. the ps3 is the MUST HAVE HARDCORE GAMER system of the season, but not the general masses must have system.

I don't know about that. They're both sold out everywhere. If there were equal numbers of systems available, we'd have a better idea. I see no evidence to suggest that one is trumping the other; in the end, of course, this christmas means nothing. Holiday 2007/8/9, *those* matter. If you think market penetration is all that matters, then the 360 wins. We both know that's not the case, however, and very little can be said about one "winning" over the other this early.

however, I've never seen market penetration as fast as I have w/ the Wii. When the ps2 launched, I saw maybe 2 in a dorm of 300 at the time, and I know everyone in my dorm as it was like a frat, so I just how many there are.

My brother who is now in the same dorm as I was in college could only find 1 360 in the dorm at launch. He's said no one owns a ps3 after that launch, however, there are at minimum 4 wii's, plus him making 5. While this is a small representative population, I've never seen a system invade a dorm so fast, and also garner as much NONGAMER attention, i.e. - girls and moms. Girls love the wii, even more so then mario party or anyother cutesy nintendo gamecube game. I believe the wii will make a lot of headway, much like the ds has expanded the gaming market.

It's not representative of the market, because it's a frat house. It's a small selective portion of the potential market. You're ignoring children through high school students, adults, females of any age...that's a pretty big part of the market. (I'm trying to be the devil's advocate...not be a prick...but misusing statistical terminology is a pet peeve of mine).

In addition, I don't give much credence to anecdotal evidence. You'll forgive me to doing so, though I hope you understand the reasons why (lack of representativeness is only one of many reasons).

My point in regards to mark up is that Relative to price point, people are willing to pay the same for the Wii as a ps3 Relative to original MSRP.

But, if the percentage markup is the same (150%), then people are willing to pay *more* over MSRP for PS3 for the Wii (50% of MSRP for PS3 is $250-300, while only $125 for Wii). So, in that regard I still fail to understand your argument.

[Rimmit]

I agree, the percentage markup is bad argument weak, I should never have made it in the first place and we'll leave it at that.

I've been gaming a looooong time, (since coleco and intellivision), and I've never seen the response as positive for the Wii except for maybe the original nintendo. While much of the statements are anecdotal, I don't think you have to be a genius to see that the DS and now the Wii have turned the eye of the nongamer. In clinic I'll walk into a patients room and see a 60 year old woman playing on her DS. There is no denying the DS has gone beyond the traditional gamers. Thus far(while a small population) I know of 3 girls that bought a Wii at launch for themselves to play. I know small population sample. I'm not trying to come up w/ percentages, my point is that Nintendo is expanding the market beyond traditional gamers. The fact that not even one person out of 300 in a video game heavy dorm kept a ps3 at launch is disconcerting. I'm just stating that market penetration due to a number of factors is slow, and you cannot deny that. The lack of launch systems largely contributed to that.

I just got back from a Residency interview and the director of the program noted that I liked video games in my interests box along with science fiction. He further went to comment.... "What systems do you play?" I stated "I just got a ps3 but sold it, but I have the new nintendo system. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, The Nintendo wii." Right after I said Wii, his eyes lit up. "NO WAY, you got a WII!! I normally don't play video games, my son has an xbox, but I Was thinking about getting him a Wii, and Kinda wanted to play myself." I then went on to talk about the controls etc. and how it was a lot of fun. This is a guy who is in his mid 40's, has more then enough money as he is a the Director pediatric residency so getting a ps3 off ebay would not be a problem, but when I said ps3, he didn't even blink, but I Was in shock at his reaction to the wii. So here I am in the middle of an interview that could shape where I live for the next 3 years, and we're talking about the new nintendo system. It's just a continual onslaught of people interested in the wii, people you would never have expected. This isn't just me either, I can give examples for days of whom I've interacted with and heard other people interact with that would traditionally not play a game, but will play the wii, but that's for another time and place.

It's just highly accessible. I really hope the ps3 wins thw ar, as I love my ps2, and want to see the same calliber of exclusive games, the Wii just has the momentum right now. While standing around target, eb, and walmart's game sections is also not a good representative portion of the population, Mom's, gamers, and kid's all are amazed at the Wii. The number of times I've heard from a kid or parent, or gamer "The ps3 has nice graphics, but I want a wii." Is actually really scary.

Furthermore, for a larger representative base, THAT IS STILL NOT SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE BUT 50,000-100,000 LARGE, hop over to gamefaqs.com. polls. The wii is trumping all in virtually all polls, at least from an interest stand point.

Also the Wii has the positive press momentum. It's being featured on GMA and other morning news shows w/ how user friendly, etc. and on toys r' us hot list for the year. The ps3 only received the Launch hype and nothing after that. Plus all the negative hype about how it shipped halfbaked.

You go into any gaming store, like eb, and all the employees are pushing the 360 or wii for xmas, and you've got an uphill battle for sony onthe store front as well.

I agree these arguments have holes left and right in them. I'm just stating my general feel. I myself am mindboggled at the what I am beginning to consider the Wii phenomenon. I believe the ps3 will win, just in a much closer race then anticipated, and sony has overestimated the general populations willingness to pay for a game system. Many rich families will buy it for their kids, but most of america ain't rich, and many parent just tell their kids no. The DS took the world by storm w/ it's user friendly interface, and many DS u sers that are non traditional gamers are going to the Wii next.

Here's the Sony, and that they hopefully know what they're doing. I think Nintendo really had the right idea by launching after sony. They have a lot more fight in them than I gave them credit for.

Now if only MGS4, heavenly sword, and lair, FFXIII were out..... Then it'd be a whole nother ball game....... Cuz that's when the ps3 will truly shine, and wake up from it's slumber.

[io]

Well, of course, anecdotes are anecdotes, but I was in Target tonight and the electronics dude was explaining to some Mom + son that the PS3 has the "exact same" motion control as the Wii then he went on to show them how it works in Motorstorm :rofl:. Yes, this is very isolated and probably the opposite of most people's stories, but it just chapped me a bit as it reminded me of all the times I had been in TRU or EB or wherever and saw people talked out of getting Gamecubes by the staff (in favor of either PS2 or Xbox). Of course it was not like they had either in stock (though, anecdotally speaking, I can find PS3 controllers just about anywhere but not any for the Wii).

Anyway, this was just after he explained to another woman that a 4x Optical zoom in a digital camera (she had asked if any had more than that) degraded the image quality.

So we know we have an esteemed high-tech guru on our hands ;).

[KingofOldSchool]

Hahaha this guy is selling a brand new 20GB PS3 AND a new PSP with 4 PSP games and it's only at $580 with 20 minutes left.

[larry6171]

It's all luck of the draw. Look at these two auctions. One 60 GB and one 20 GB. They made a pretty good profit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-PS3-UNOPENED-in-hand-w-extras_W0QQitemZ130051828277QQihZ003QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-20-GB-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ300053130398QQihZ020QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[MadFlava]

It's all luck of the draw. Look at these two auctions. One 60 GB and one 20 GB. They made a pretty good profit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-PS3-UNOPENED-in-hand-w-extras_W0QQitemZ130051828277QQihZ003QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-20-GB-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ300053130398QQihZ020QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Totally luck of the draw, and thats if the buyers don't back out once they see the other PS3's on the markets going for much less. The resell market is done, too much supply on the resell market. If you haven't sold yours by yesterday, you might as well keep the damn thing or return it.

[Rimmit]

I agree it's a buyer's market now from here till xmas. There are just too many other options on the market to have moms justify paying premium for a system which to the average observer is only on par w/ the 360 and even worse if gears of war is the current demo playing at EB or Target or walmart.
So far the Wii has actually held steady at around 100-130 in profit which considering the investment isn't too bad.

If you happen to pick one up off the store shelves it definitely worth the time, as is the ps3. Just not worth the effort to hunt one down. Hopefully my other preorders at FYE will eventually come in so I can own the freakin thing.

[MadFlava]

I think the big difference we are seeing from last years 360 market is that with the PS3 and Wii there is just too many alternatives. Last year, 360 was the only next-gen system on the market and anyone that couldn't buy one turned to the resell market to get it. This year, if you can't find a PS3, people are going out and buy 360's and Wii's. I think that coupled with too many ebay scalpers, effectively killed the PS3 resell market, which is good think for buyers that actually want to play the damn thing. Also, this would make a really good economics paper for someone this semester or next.

[Rimmit]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-PS3-60GB-not-20-GB_W0QQitemZ200053759048QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62054QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Wow, total bottoming out of the market now. Most are only hitting 850 at best. This was even a seller w/ phenomenal feedback. The auction only garnered 160 hits or so.

The time to ebay these has officially bottomed out faster then even I could have anticipated. I predicted that these would fetch a tidy 200-300 profit till xmas, but that's even ambitious now.l

[oasisboy]

Not looking so good for this guy. He is taking a loss for his console and games!!!

PS3 60 gig console + 2 wireless controllers + resistance = Winning Bid $840

console = $650 with tax, 2 controllers = $116 with tax , resistance = $65 with tax. Grand total = $831.

Ebay fees made this guy lose $$$$

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PLAYSTATION-3-60GB-W-FREE-GAME-AND-2-CONTROLLERS_W0QQitemZ110062857682QQihZ001QQcategor yZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[io]

Why these sellers continue to bundle things with the system is beyond me. It's looking now like you can actually get a DEAL on ebay relative to the store sales - and all without the hassle of having to track down a PS3 in store.

And all this after my Target today got 43 Wii's in (all sold out prior to opening via vouchers) and said that at some point in the past they got all of 4 PS3's. It is amazing the PS3 has bottomed out so much considering they are next to impossible to find (whereas the Wii is only 'extremely difficult' to find ;)). SOMEONE sure is interested in them!

[Rimmit]

It's amazing how the wii has taken off. It's harder to get one now then on launch. I mean at the target I was at for launch, there were 60 Wii's. The last spot in line went about 20 min. before they handed out tickets. Now this sun. from people who I knew that went there to try and get one. They had 40ish or so systems, and the last spot in line went 2 HOURS before opening. The Wii is only gaining momentum, not losing it, unlike the ps3. Nintendo is gonna be a much bigger factor in the console wars this time around. Furthermore, if you look at the hit counter at the bottom of the wii and ps3 auctions, there are only around 150-200 hits per ps3 auction at end, whereas wii auctions garner more like 250-300 hits per auction. The popularity of the wii is currently outweighing the ps3 based on hits, and the irony is that there are WAAAY less ps3's so there should be more people heading to ebay to get the ps3, then the wii.

Also the profit margins for the Wii's are MUCH better then ps3's. Wii's are going from 380-500 depending on your luck.

So after Ebay fees etc, you can make a cool 200, w/ only an initial investment of around 265. Not bad. Much better return then the PS3.

The wii has totally sucked the wind out of the PS3's sales. It's got such glowing reviews from everyone I've seen who have touched the system. It's definitely the MUST HAVE item this holiday. People are just too frustrated w/ the ps3, and the price point is just not Family friendly.

[Kendro]

The Wii single-handedly killed the PS3. I agree with Rimmit. I cannot believe how "Tickle Me Elmo-esque" the Wii has become. It really is harder to find now than at launch. During launch, eBayers were unsure and only Nintendo fans wanted the Wii so it wasn't immensely difficult to get one. Now that it has been 2 weeks and everyone and their mother has tried the Wii and wants one, it is really hard to get one.

If Wii didn't come out or wasn't well received, PS3 would be dominating eBay right now.

[io]

The Wii single-handedly killed the PS3. I agree with Rimmit. I cannot believe how "Tickle Me Elmo-esque" the Wii has become. It really is harder to find now than at launch. During launch, eBayers were unsure and only Nintendo fans wanted the Wii so it wasn't immensely difficult to get one. Now that it has been 2 weeks and everyone and their mother has tried the Wii and wants one, it is really hard to get one.

If Wii didn't come out or wasn't well received, PS3 would be dominating eBay right now.

No kidding. I was doing some early shopping Sunday and at Target 15 minutes after opening they were all sold out of 40 Wiis (actually sold out well before opening but didn't finish ringing everyone up till then). Then I drove past TRU to see what that was like and there were at least 60-70 people outside 1 hour before opening. Then, at a completely different place (Sears at a nearby mall) an hour and a half later I overhead some woman saying they had 60 at TRU and they were sold out before they opened (as I clearly could tell). Later I went to CC and they said they had 40 and handed out vouchers for all of them at 8am (2 hours before opening) with some of those people lining up last night before they closed. Insanity!

I knew that those places were going to have them because of CAG, but I already have one and wouldn't pick up another to sell unless it was no trouble at all - not worth waiting more than 15 minutes! But it was a very curious phenomenon to witness. I have no idea how all those people knew these stores would have them. I only knew because of CAG, and based on the appearance of most of these people I'm fairly sure they aren't CAG's (I'm no youngster and most of these people were older than me).

[Rimmit]

I don't think anyone could have predicted the outrageous popularity of the Wii. I always figured it would run around 350 on Ebay the whole time, and never be in stock, simply b/c the DS was always running around 200-250 when it launched during the xmas season, and was never in stock, but I never thought it would garner the lines before stores are opening like it is.

The media, and the general public has almost all but forgotten about the PS3. If the ps3 actually had ANY units to sell, it might've stood a better chance, but even if there was a TOTAL MARKET FLOOD OF BOTH THE PS3 and WII, I'm almost all but certain the Wii would outsell the ps3 based on price and the "Family" Friendly nature of the console. I think it's almost easier to get a ps3 if you were mildly persistent then a wii at this point.

[sonicbooom]

Everytime I check eBay I see 60gig systems going for around $1,000. I occasionally see auctions that drop below $900, but most are still around $1,000.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Console-PS3-NIB-60-GB-w-receipt_W0QQitemZ160058344690QQihZ006QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PS3-Playstation-3-New-In-Sealed-Box-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ190058539039QQihZ009QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-PS3-PREMIUM-FREE-EXTRAS_W0QQitemZ130054270740QQihZ003QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60GB-PS3-New-In-Hand-FREE-s-h-NIB_W0QQitemZ200053227893QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ($880)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60GB-PS3-Game-Console-Play-station_W0QQitemZ110061226182QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also, I might still resell a PS3 if it's still reselling for around $1,000 since gamestop still has my preorder in. I'd plan on running an auction with BIN optional, reserve at $900, immediate payment required, only U.S. buyers with verified paypal email/street addresses, sign for delivery confirmation, tracking, overnight shipping, insurance. I'm not sure if I want to do it though, in case it loses value or if I can't get over $900, not to mention paypal fees.

Has anybody had a problem with scammers? Also, how much were the eBay and paypal fees?

[Rimmit]

The auctions that hit a 1,000 more often then not have extras attached like games, and such. Overall afterall is said and done, the system itself ends up in the 800-900 range. Overall, you can factor in around 9% in ebay and paypal fees as a rule of thumb from your final auction value. My ebay fees for mine were like 250+ dollars, but mine sold for 3,700 so that's an exception.

Sooo assuming a sale of 900 - 90 fees = 810. 810 - 650 = 160 profit or so. All in all, Wii's are much better for profit margin right now in terms of effort and such. If you're lucky and yours sells for a BIN of 1,000 and some will sell as some people would rather BIN then go to auction, and just pay more, then obviously you're profit margin increases. Just have to luck out and get someone who's willing to pay some rediculous price, rather then wait 4 min. for the next auction to end.

Ebay prices will not rise, based on the wii factor. If the wii wasn't aruond I would say that they might average in the 900-1000 range around dec. 14 or so, but the wii has become the MUST HAVE item,and not the ps3.

[sonicbooom]

Kinda sucks. I just HAD TO BE number 9 in line at gamestop, and there just HAD TO BE A shortage that brought it to 8 PS3's at my gamestop..

I missed out on $2,500-$4,000 in profit.

Isn't life great for me.

I guess I'll get a Wii and or a 360.

[oasisboy]

My ebay fees for mine were like 250+ dollars, but mine sold for 3,700 so that's an exception.

You fuking SOB!!! I envy you :drool: When did you sell your ps3?

I will be thrilled if my ps3 sells for $1,000

[oasisboy]

This guy was smart. He is giving you 7 games for your ps3... problem is, that the games are crap ps2 games. It worked for him. PS3 sold for $1225...

http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/7b/68/2492_12.JPG

http://i17.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/7b/68/00f1_12.JPG

Link--> http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Brand-New-Never-Opened_W0QQitemZ230058863892QQihZ013QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[sonicbooom]

This guy was smart. He is giving you 7 games for your ps3... problem is, that the games are crap ps2 games. It worked for him. PS3 sold for $1225...

http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/7b/68/2492_12.JPG

http://i17.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/7b/68/00f1_12.JPG

Link--> http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Brand-New-Never-Opened_W0QQitemZ230058863892QQihZ013QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That is smart. If I decide to buy and resell a ps3, I might spend $20-$50 to pick up a bunch of $5-$10 games and bundle them in with a few other games I have.

[Dhuk]

Kinda sucks. I just HAD TO BE number 9 in line at gamestop, and there just HAD TO BE A shortage that brought it to 8 PS3's at my gamestop..

I missed out on $2,500-$4,000 in profit.

Isn't life great for me.

I guess I'll get a Wii and or a 360.

Most recent are in the high 800's. By the time they get their second shipment in they'll be in the low $800.00.

I really wish some eb employees would post stories about all those that got jipped and how they handled it.


that person that paid 1225 is an idiot, look what the seller states.

All games have manuals, excluding the eye toy. I do not guarantee that all games will work on the playstation 3, as Sony has stated that it is possible some PS 2 games may not play properly on the new PS 3

[io]

Kinda sucks. I just HAD TO BE number 9 in line at gamestop, and there just HAD TO BE A shortage that brought it to 8 PS3's at my gamestop..

I missed out on $2,500-$4,000 in profit.

Isn't life great for me.

I guess I'll get a Wii and or a 360.

You most likely didn't miss out on much. I got one from EB the first day and it didn't sell at all that first day (Friday -> Saturday 1 day listing) with a Buy It Now of just $1400 - and I have very high 100% feedback. I relisted it the following week when they had a 20 cent listing day and it sold the day after Thanksgiving for $1150, which was great as a buyer bailed me out with a Buy It Now when he could have just put a regular bid in for $999 and probably won it for that.

For a more realistic estimate of fees than rimmit's ;) mine came up to $34 in eBay fees and about $35 in PayPal fees. I'm not sure where he comes up with the 9% (unless you mean both ebay and PayPal combined which makes sense I guess). The maximum final value fee is 5.25% and that only applies to the first $25. It drops to 3% after that. Using eBay's fee schedule you pay exactly $30.56 in closing fees on a $1000 sale. What you pay in listing fees can vary wildly. I used the 20 cent listing day so that saved me $4.60 in listing fees. All I added was a subtitle, a Buy It Now, and a gallery picture which all added just about another $1 to it. One thing that probably really helped SOME sellers in that first day (that I didn't do) was the "featured" listing which costs you $19.99 but shows your auction ahead of all the others that aren't featured - so those got WAY more bids. At this point in time it probably isn't worth it though - especially if you go for a Buy It Now.

Lets say worst case - you list a PS3 with a starting bid of 1 penny and get $800 for it in a regular auction. Throwing in a gallery picture, your total fees would be $25.11. PayPal fees run about 3% (I'm too lazy to look up the exact amount). So that's another $25 or so (assuming $800 + $50 shipping). So, absolute worst case, you make $150 on an $800 auction (without figuring sales tax on your original purchase which I don't have to pay :razz:).

[Rimmit]

You fuking SOB!!! I envy you :drool: When did you sell your ps3?

I will be thrilled if my ps3 sells for $1,000
I sold it day one, ground zero, at right about the time that all the stores had already opened, but no one had gotten home yet. That was around the time my auction eneded. It was a lot of luck and a lot of strategy. I was the only BIN for 8 hours when it was bought BIN. Yes it was a reliable buyer, no there was no chargeback, yes I have the money in my account right nwo and have already saved most of it. I was pretty much the only one with a picture of actually owning the ps3 as well for like MANY pages. If you look at the time my auction ended it actually had about an hour to go, but it was still the ONLY BIN and the FIRST ONE YOU WOULD see for at least 8 hours. Thank god for EB opening at midnight, b/c if it hadn't this would not have been possible as by the time the store opened, my auction would have ended and I wouldn't have been able to put a picture of me owning the item.

Also, yes this truly is going toward my wedding. 700 will go toward a ps3, and the rest is banked for my honeymoon.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150059447587&rd=1&rd=1

As to where I got the 9%. I do a lot of ebay selling, lots of times on smaller items. So where that comes from is EBAY+PAYPAL+INSERTION fees. On smaller items it comes out to around 9-10% depending on what listing bonuses you add in (subtitle, bold, gallery) etc.

However, on a PS3, cuz it is such a large auction those listing bonuses and insertion fees become a smaller portion as the item sells for more, but just as a generalized rule of thumb 9-10% is about what I factor in. For the PS3 b/c it is so expensive and ebay only starts to charge I believe 3.25% of the final value after the auction hits so high, 9-10% is a little high, but I'd rather overestimate then find myself short in the end.

[Rags]

This guy I know sold one for 900 at launch, thing is the buyer did not pay for it so he is out the money and the right time to sell.

I thought it was great, because the guy is a real tool.

[maccabee72]

My local small town Wal-Mart had a 20GB PS3 this weekend. I offered to pick it up for any interested CAGs in the trade forum for cost + Shipping + Paypal fee and a Wii game (or $50 to buy one) for the trouble. I didn't get anyone who really wanted to spend the cash on it, so I went and grabbed it myself and put it on Ebay - Buy It Now w/ immediate Pay and selling only to a confirmed address. It sold for $730 shipped to someone with good feedback who lives about an hour away from me. Not a real big profit after fees, but it was enough to grab a couple of Wii games:)

[io]

However, on a PS3, cuz it is such a large auction those listing bonuses and insertion fees become a smaller portion as the item sells for more, but just as a generalized rule of thumb 9-10% is about what I factor in. For the PS3 b/c it is so expensive and ebay only starts to charge I believe 3.25% of the final value after the auction hits so high, 9-10% is a little high, but I'd rather overestimate then find myself short in the end.

Actually, closing fees drop from 5.25% to 3% after just $25 ;). But congrats on your sale - I would have done the same but didn't get my PS3 until 10am Pacific - by that time eBay was absolutely flooded. Had I known then what I know now I would have sold it as a preorder the day before or so.

[io]

My local small town Wal-Mart had a 20GB PS3 this weekend. I offered to pick it up for any interested CAGs in the trade forum for cost + Shipping + Paypal fee and a Wii game (or $50 to buy one) for the trouble. I didn't get anyone who really wanted to spend the cash on it, so I went and grabbed it myself and put it on Ebay - Buy It Now w/ immediate Pay and selling only to a confirmed address. It sold for $730 shipped to someone with good feedback who lives about an hour away from me. Not a real big profit after fees, but it was enough to grab a couple of Wii games:)

Good job - if you don't go into it now with high expecations it can work out. And in this case, you are actually providing a valuable and reasonable service for an ebay buyer. There are plenty of people who want to get these for Christmas presents but don't want to pay a ton for them. $730 shipped is a great price to save someone the trouble of hunting all over town for one. This is why I said in the past the floor for 60GB will probably be $800 (and probably $700 for the 20GB). People will pay a couple $100 for the convenience of not having to search for it. I would imagine these prices would stick until they become easy to find in stores.

[Javery]

For $200 or so it almost makes me want to periodically try and score a system prior to Christmas...

[imascrub]

I ended up scoring a ps3 but am selling it now

Just wanted to know...
Anybody think it's safe to arrange a local pickup but to receive payment with paypal?

I think the person could jack me with chargebacks since there's no way for me to show confirmation that the person received it (a la signature/delivery confirmation). The person is offering cash with a local pickup. After hearing of the horror stories I don't think I'm going to go that route. I would rather eat the paypal fees rather than get everything jacked.

I would maybe go with a friend but it'd probably have to be near evening time to make the trade, and don't know if he would go for it

Or I should probably just go with good ol' paypal + shipping

[tayaf69]

I ended up scoring a ps3 but am selling it now

Just wanted to know...
Anybody think it's safe to arrange a local pickup but to receive payment with paypal?

I think the person could jack me with chargebacks since there's no way for me to show confirmation that the person received it (a la signature/delivery confirmation). The person is offering cash with a local pickup. After hearing of the horror stories I don't think I'm going to go that route. I would rather eat the paypal fees rather than get everything jacked.

I would maybe go with a friend but it'd probably have to be near evening time to make the trade, and don't know if he would go for it

Or I should probably just go with good ol' paypal + shipping
That would really be stupid. If the person is willing to do a local pickup then the dumbass should be willing to pay locally. This would probably result in a loss on your part.

I have been dealing with my ebay buyer (the one who bought two from me for $4000) for two weeks now. He did a chargeback and I had to provide tons of information. Paypal informed me that he will lose the case and that it's all good, but it still won't be completely over until the end of the month. Very annoying and I will never sell this crap again. DO NOT SELL without a shipment receipt.

[bortle]

I ended up scoring a ps3 but am selling it now

Just wanted to know...
Anybody think it's safe to arrange a local pickup but to receive payment with paypal?

I think the person could jack me with chargebacks since there's no way for me to show confirmation that the person received it (a la signature/delivery confirmation). The person is offering cash with a local pickup. After hearing of the horror stories I don't think I'm going to go that route. I would rather eat the paypal fees rather than get everything jacked.

I would maybe go with a friend but it'd probably have to be near evening time to make the trade, and don't know if he would go for it

Or I should probably just go with good ol' paypal + shipping

I don't understand the question, if he is offering to pay you cash why even consider paypal? Just pick a location like a police station for the swap

[cheapfrag]

That would really be stupid. If the person is willing to do a local pickup then the dumbass should be willing to pay locally. This would probably result in a loss on your part.

I have been dealing with my ebay buyer (the one who bought two from me for $4000) for two weeks now. He did a chargeback and I had to provide tons of information. Paypal informed me that he will lose the case and that it's all good, but it still won't be completely over until the end of the month. Very annoying and I will never sell this crap again. DO NOT SELL without a shipment receipt.
I thought your buyer accepted a refund ($600 on each system), did that fall through?

[maccabee72]

Good job - if you don't go into it now with high expecations it can work out. And in this case, you are actually providing a valuable and reasonable service for an ebay buyer. There are plenty of people who want to get these for Christmas presents but don't want to pay a ton for them. $730 shipped is a great price to save someone the trouble of hunting all over town for one. This is why I said in the past the floor for 60GB will probably be $800 (and probably $700 for the 20GB). People will pay a couple $100 for the convenience of not having to search for it. I would imagine these prices would stick until they become easy to find in stores.

Even with the lower price and the decent feedback from the buyer, it is still a bit nerve racking waiting to see if everything goes smooth. Luckily for me, positive feedback was immediately left and everything worked out perfect for everyone. He got the PS3 he wanted....I immediately paid back my credit card and I got a new Wii game and Wiimote out of it...and my wife got a new pair of shoes (Ebay fee comes out of a seperate account and I paid cash for the shipping, which was lower than I charged, so I threw her what was left in PayPal...about $60)....win-win for everyone:D

[Dhuk]

For $200 or so it almost makes me want to periodically try and score a system prior to Christmas...

20GB are rarely hitting the $700 mark, most end around high 500-low 600. With Tax, ebay and PayPal fees, whats that come to?

[sonicbooom]

The profit right now is anywhere from $50 to $500. Maybe I should have waited on a ps3, but I got my refund just a few minutes ago. I didn't want to risk getting scammed by selling a ps3 and I didn't want any bullshit if paypal held my money or anything. It wasn't worth it to me for just $50 to $500 profit for a $650 system.

Number 9 out of 8 preorders at gamestop.. what great luck I have. I missed out on a potential profit of $2500-$4000.

Now I have to fix my car because the brakes and rotors may be worn out, I still have to buy Christmas presents, and I have four essays due within the next two weeks.

I love my life.

[Zoglog]

at this point guys, I think it's best to hold out until next week when people start the christmas craze shopping. People are still thinking they're gonna get PS3's for christmas

[lmz00]

The profit right now is anywhere from $50 to $500. Maybe I should have waited on a ps3, but I got my refund just a few minutes ago. I didn't want to risk getting scammed by selling a ps3 and I didn't want any bullshit if paypal held my money or anything. It wasn't worth it to me for just $50 to $500 profit for a $650 system.

Number 9 out of 8 preorders at gamestop.. what great luck I have. I missed out on a potential profit of $2500-$4000.

Now I have to fix my car because the brakes and rotors may be worn out, I still have to buy Christmas presents, and I have four essays due within the next two weeks.

I love my life.
That reminds me of this one guy who was having car trouble when I was waiting outside of TRU on the 29th. I was like "What business does this guy have spending $650 on a console when his truck won't even start?"

Anyway, I'm thinking of selling my 20GB at or near cost once my CC 60GB comes in next week. I'm not really trying to profit... I'd be content with $50, but if auctioning it off on Amazon proves to be too much of a hassle, I'll just take it back to Wal-Mart.

[Kendro]

Didn't think prices would drop further than the sub $800 but this is an all-time low. There is no profit to be made.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-Premium-System-60GB-Console-IN-HAND_W0QQitemZ120060340101QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PS3-PlayStation-3-Premium-60GB_W0QQitemZ230062372617QQihZ013QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-Brand-New-60gb-ps3-ready-to-ship_W0QQitemZ200056252525QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The above 3 hover around the $740 mark. I don't even want to sell my PS3 now. I think its God's way of telling me to keep it.

[addicted2games]

Didn't think prices would drop further than the sub $800 but this is an all-time low. There is no profit to be made.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-Premium-System-60GB-Console-IN-HAND_W0QQitemZ120060340101QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PS3-PlayStation-3-Premium-60GB_W0QQitemZ230062372617QQihZ013QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-Brand-New-60gb-ps3-ready-to-ship_W0QQitemZ200056252525QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The above 3 hover around the $740 mark. I don't even want to sell my PS3 now. I think its God's way of telling me to keep it.
yeah the time to sell was the first week. I just got my 60G one Tuesday and I am definitely keeping it. I just need to get an hdmi cable.

[sonicbooom]

Didn't think prices would drop further than the sub $800 but this is an all-time low. There is no profit to be made.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-Premium-System-60GB-Console-IN-HAND_W0QQitemZ120060340101QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PS3-PlayStation-3-Premium-60GB_W0QQitemZ230062372617QQihZ013QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-Brand-New-60gb-ps3-ready-to-ship_W0QQitemZ200056252525QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The above 3 hover around the $740 mark. I don't even want to sell my PS3 now. I think its God's way of telling me to keep it.
I'm glad to know I made the right decision by getting my refund last night and cancelling my ps3 preorder. Today I bought a sound card and some cables, tomorrow I'm going to buy some Christmas presents.

[Zoglog]

don't forget craigslist guys. I just made a post today about 60GB and somone bought it for $950. Since we didn't have to deal with ebay/paypal fees and shipping everyone wins

[Purkeynator]

I put a 20Gb on Craigs list and I am getting a bunch of mail from scammers. One guy says he wants to buy a PS3 for his friend from Nigeria and I had said I would accept Paypal. He then sent me a bogus payment that showed up in my email that said payment would clear once I provided a tracking number. I checked in my Paypal account and it says nothing of the payment. Then I got another email from a guys who wants to send a postal money order to my house and also mail me a fedex label to mail it back to him. It sounds kind of fishy but I am not sure how he could screw me on a money order. Any thoughts?

[spamfree2]

I put a 20Gb on Craigs list and I am getting a bunch of mail from scammers. One guy says he wants to buy a PS3 for his friend from Nigeria and I had said I would accept Paypal. He then sent me a bogus payment that showed up in my email that said payment would clear once I provided a tracking number. I checked in my Paypal account and it says nothing of the payment. Then I got another email from a guys who wants to send a postal money order to my house and also mail me a fedex label to mail it back to him. It sounds kind of fishy but I am not sure how he could screw me on a money order. Any thoughts?


Postal Money orders are one of the best ways of payment. Take it to the Post office and cash it when you ship it. Much better than any other method, even meeting up with someone with cash. If it turns out to be a bad "fake" money order.. Your just out a trip to the Post office.

[mykevermin]

Bootleg money order plus FedEx shipping = scam. I'm not positive if the money order clears, and then is rescinded, but it is a scam nevertheless. They're also using a stolen FedEx account number.

[Kendro]

I put a 20Gb on Craigs list and I am getting a bunch of mail from scammers. One guy says he wants to buy a PS3 for his friend from Nigeria and I had said I would accept Paypal. He then sent me a bogus payment that showed up in my email that said payment would clear once I provided a tracking number. I checked in my Paypal account and it says nothing of the payment. Then I got another email from a guys who wants to send a postal money order to my house and also mail me a fedex label to mail it back to him. It sounds kind of fishy but I am not sure how he could screw me on a money order. Any thoughts?

Don't even fuck around with that shit. Delete and do not respond.

[hiero4life]

I sold one of mine on CL I took cash, it's the only way to go. Go to Office Depot and get one of those counterfit markers to make sure the cash is real. Good luck.

[Lou-Dawg]

I put a 20Gb on Craigs list and I am getting a bunch of mail from scammers. One guy says he wants to buy a PS3 for his friend from Nigeria and I had said I would accept Paypal. He then sent me a bogus payment that showed up in my email that said payment would clear once I provided a tracking number. I checked in my Paypal account and it says nothing of the payment. Then I got another email from a guys who wants to send a postal money order to my house and also mail me a fedex label to mail it back to him. It sounds kind of fishy but I am not sure how he could screw me on a money order. Any thoughts?

Both people are trying to scam you. The money order will be fake, and the reason he sends a fedex label with the money order is so you immediately mail the PS3 before you descover the money order is fake. Never trust ANYONE who offers to pay for their own shipping with their own account. At least 90% of those 'deals' are scams.

[zman73]

Both people are trying to scam you. The money order will be fake, and the reason he sends a fedex label with the money order is so you immediately mail the PS3 before you descover the money order is fake. Never trust ANYONE who offers to pay for their own shipping with their own account. At least 90% of those 'deals' are scams.


What would be funny is to send that person (knowing their payment was fake)
an empty PS3 display box with a letter in it saying how you were aware of their scam the whole time

[Kendro]

Not worth the effort to give out your real address that will be shared and distributed among the scammers just so you can prank them.

[Zoglog]

the problem with many ebay auctions is some fricking idiots with no life are jacking auctions up with fake bids all over the place. Talk about bitterness and envy.

[zman73]

Not worth the effort to give out your real address that will be shared and distributed among the scammers just so you can prank them.

Why would you even put your real address on there,... especially when scamming the scammer

[Rimmit]

It's official. The Ebayability of these is totally over.

http://cgi.ebay.com/60GB-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-Buy-it-Now-999-99-PS3_W0QQitemZ140062630799QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140062630799

That's one that just ended, and that's actually better then several other ones around it. When auctions are getting 100 hits or less, that is a BAD sign. On average over the last hour, most ps3's seem to be going for around 750 and that's WITH shipping included. Most sellers MIGHT make after taxes ebay fees etc.... maybe 15-20 bucks or sooooo.

I think you can actually get a deal on the bay at this point. I've seen some auctions w/ controllers and such, that when all is said and done depending on the tax in your state actually ends up being cheaper then if you bought it there.

The wii is now the thing the ebayers are after. Wii's are fetching 200 or so in profit right now, and since it is the MUST HAVE ITEM of this xmas, it will not drop and will hold steady.

The ps3 will not experience a spike as quite frankly no one wants it. It's extremely expensive, and parents are opting for the wii as a much more viable alternative. Plus it's family friendly.

For the last time there will be NO spike. The number of hits on a ps3 auction at this point is virtually nonexistent. Some ending w/ even less the a 100 hits. I get more hits on some of the toys I sell.

[fruityt2001]

I was just able to pick-up a 20gb PS3 with an extra controller for $545.

I won two other auctions for 20gb PS3's but one guy said it was stolen from his room and the other tried to get me to Western Union the money. Hopefully this one pans out.

It seems the 20Gb version bundled with a game or controller is the way to go to get one for the same price if not cheaper than in the store.

[arthurRWD]

I have one for sale on Craigslist, and there's some fool trying to scam me to.

"Hello Thanks for the mail well am relly very happt yo hear from you,i will like to tell you that am goinmg to pay you by check,i will send you the check and you going to get it cash and send me my Itel I need this itel for my client and his out of state and he really need this itel wewll am in state now but am traveling to UK as son as i can for my business but before i leave,i will need your full name and address to send you the check with your phone number so i can send yo the check as son as posible,,i will like you to email me all tis information so i can send you the chck and give you call to let you know about everything before i leave the state,i will like you to emailo me your full namer and address so i can send you the check and make sure once you cash it send me the itel i will email you the address to send it to by fedex or UPS just email me your address so i can let you habve the check first before i can arange for the shipment hope to hear from you soon Thanks so much"

the email address is mike_smithy2k@usa.com

anyone know the proper way to report this kinda crap?

[Rimmit]

I was just able to pick-up a 20gb PS3 with an extra controller for $545.

I won two other auctions for 20gb PS3's but one guy said it was stolen from his room and the other tried to get me to Western Union the money. Hopefully this one pans out.

It seems the 20Gb version bundled with a game or controller is the way to go to get one for the same price if not cheaper than in the store.
It was stolen my ass. I'm betting he realized he was going to lose money after paypal fees and shipping, and needed a way to back out. Someone w/ a 600 dollar system is gonna guard that with their life.

Western union is scary.... No credit card to back you up.... Not sure sure if I'd send to that.

Lucked out and got my second ps3, this time to keep yesterday at BB. Easier to find one of these then a Wii. Amazingly. There are like at least 10 people EVERY MORNING waiting at the doors for a wii, but no one's there for a ps3, I was typically the ONLY one there wanting a ps3.

Wow, they're all ending in the 700's now. I can't find anything above 700 except for the lucky BIN sellers. This tanked faster then any system launch in recent memory. What a disaster. Only 50-90 hits/auction. Wii's are getting b/t 200-300/auction w/ BIN's of 500 regularly going... Wow. Wii's are almost going for as much as a ps3 20gigger.... Sony's in big trouble... I really think they outpriced the everyday customer on this one.

[io]

the problem with many ebay auctions is some fricking idiots with no life are jacking auctions up with fake bids all over the place. Talk about bitterness and envy.

People were doing this on launch day. Are they still really at it? That's just pathetic given how low the auctions are going for anyway. If they want to "punish" the resellers they should just let the auctions end at their low prices or try to bid on a few that will be below cost ;). I mean, if you find the right bundle you could probably save money BUYING from ebay at this point.

So much for the pre-Christmas bump, eh? I think we're well into that period now. If they haven't started to ramp up yet, I can't see them doing it any time soon. Certainly if they remain low through the weekend and into next week it is truly over. I can't see them going up after Christmas even. Didn't 360's sell fairly well even after Christmas last year? I missed that whole extravaganza, even though I could have had a preorder for one at launch from GR (UNLIKE this year when they stiffed us on Wiis/PS3s).

[Zoglog]

People were doing this on launch day. Are they still really at it? That's just pathetic given how low the auctions are going for anyway. If they want to "punish" the resellers they should just let the auctions end at their low prices or try to bid on a few that will be below cost ;). I mean, if you find the right bundle you could probably save money BUYING from ebay at this point.

So much for the pre-Christmas bump, eh? I think we're well into that period now. If they haven't started to ramp up yet, I can't see them doing it any time soon. Certainly if they remain low through the weekend and into next week it is truly over. I can't see them going up after Christmas even. Didn't 360's sell fairly well even after Christmas last year? I missed that whole extravaganza, even though I could have had a preorder for one at launch from GR (UNLIKE this year when they stiffed us on Wiis/PS3s).

not necessarily, I think it's still too early to give up hope ;) There's still a couple of weeks before Xmas and people don't go crazy till the week before. I mean honestly with the price they're ending now on ebay it really wouldnt hurt to wait.

oh yeah I also got those scammers msg me from craigslist postings lol. Go figure, Just simply ignore them and just answer the ones that deal locally. It's not like them msging you will jack your craigslist posting.

[io]

not necessarily, I think it's still too early to give up hope ;) There's still a couple of weeks before Xmas and people don't go crazy till the week before. I mean honestly with the price they're ending now on ebay it really wouldnt hurt to wait.
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Well, I have no stake in the matter except that now, if I see a PS3 in a store, I will just admire the nice shiny box and pass on buying it ;). I would have loved to get one for myself but Sony's decision to not support their own HDTVs (many of the older models that lack 720p support are, like mine, Sony models) nixed that.

I always figured eBay sales for Christmas peak a week before, given shipping time (as opposed to retail sales which go right up through the 24th). So I kind of figured the absolute peak would be next weekend and the first few days after (like the 16th-19th or so).

But I also really thought there would be a floor to these PS3 sales of $800 for the $600 GB model - just for the convenience of not having to track them down in stores. I mean, sure, they are easier to get than the Wii, but still, I have yet to actually see one in store. I'm surprised they've hit the $700 mark, really. So maybe they bump back up to that $800 mark as Christmas approaches. But all those people who held on from the launch sales (expecting $4000 or whatever) thinking they would make a killing by waiting until right before Christmas will be sorely disappointed. I'm glad I got mine right back out there a week after launch (and got a very nice $1150 for it).

The people who should be *really* upset, however, are those who legitimately bought a PS3 for $2000 and up in the launch frenzy and are now finding out that they could have gotten 2-4 or more of them for the same price had they waited a few weeks. Ouch.

[Lou-Dawg]

No its true. Most parents who's kids say "Get me a PS3" will say...is a Wii okay? Then they kid will say "YEAH!" The only people who want a PS3 at this point are hardcore gamers and Sony fanboys. Sad to say, but Wii has totally stolen PS3's thunder this holiday season.

I knew it was true when I was in EBGames and I saw two burly Army guys (in uniform) come in and ask for a Wii. These guys didn't want to play Resistence, they wanted a frigging Wii. Sony won't win this console war unless they get some great games soon.

[Rimmit]

I really do feel bad for the 2 day campers, that held on till right about now in hopes of a bump. It's only gotten lower, and even a bump will probably not be noticeable. YOu won't even get post week 1 prices, or post week 2. It's just dropping. No one wants a ps3. There are no great games for it. Quite frankly, I have one that I'm gonna open up, but the real hook for me is the bluray drive, and the fact that compared to a 360 it's an absolutel bargain really. I mean to get wifi, a bigger harddrive, and the hddvd drive Is defintely more the 600.

It really saddens me that Sony is doing so badly. I love my ps2, and am really just buying my ps3, with the knowledge that in the future, and I'm not even sure about this anymore, they will have games that I will be just dying to play, albeit right now the 360 really has the games I want to play like Gears of war, and oblivion. I can take solice in that oblivion is coming out for the ps3, but my question is how will it's framerates be and the graphics. From looking at the gamespot article, the PS3's graphics aren't too hot, and the framerates from everyone I'm hearing just aren't there..... Makes me almost disappointed in my purchase.

[oasisboy]

As of 12/09 at 11am there are 20,000+ consoles for sale on Ebay. It seems that everyone is thinking that right now is the time to sell their ps3s... A week ago there were 12,000 units and this jump has me worried as I still have 1 console to sell.

[fruityt2001]

It was stolen my ass. I'm betting he realized he was going to lose money after paypal fees and shipping, and needed a way to back out. Someone w/ a 600 dollar system is gonna guard that with their life.

Western union is scary.... No credit card to back you up.... Not sure sure if I'd send to that.

Lucked out and got my second ps3, this time to keep yesterday at BB. Easier to find one of these then a Wii. Amazingly. There are like at least 10 people EVERY MORNING waiting at the doors for a wii, but no one's there for a ps3, I was typically the ONLY one there wanting a ps3.

Wow, they're all ending in the 700's now. I can't find anything above 700 except for the lucky BIN sellers. This tanked faster then any system launch in recent memory. What a disaster. Only 50-90 hits/auction. Wii's are getting b/t 200-300/auction w/ BIN's of 500 regularly going... Wow. Wii's are almost going for as much as a ps3 20gigger.... Sony's in big trouble... I really think they outpriced the everyday customer on this one.

I've been watching the guy who said it was stolen to see if he repost it so I can report him to ebay. We would have lost money on the deal since it was for a 20gb with Resistance for $580.

I told the Western Union guy I perfered to use paypal and if he was just trying to scam me to let me know so I could go buy a different system. No response from him. That was for a 20Gb with COD3 for around $510.

The one I won last night I have been in contact with the seller and it looks to be a go. I don't even think I really wanted a PS3 right now. I just wanted to say I got one for cheaper than store cost.

[Reality's Fringe]

The guy I sold my PS3 to has been trying to flip the systems on ebay. Too bad for him. As long as his ass doesn't try to do a chargeback beacuse of buyer's remorse.

[PhrostByte]

The guy I sold my PS3 to has been trying to flip the systems on ebay. Too bad for him. As long as his ass doesn't try to do a chargeback beacuse of buyer's remorse.

I'm pretty glad I sold mine for $950... the funny thing is I sold it to my friend who was planning on reselling it. Now he's saying he got robbed at gunpoint by the Pizza Hut guy for both of his PS3's, cash, and something else... Hmm... Apparently he's going to sue pizza hut.

[oasisboy]

Another one bites the dust...

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-20GB-5-games-SIXAXIS-controll_W0QQitemZ330060312090QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He lost $$$ on his ps3...

[oasisboy]

This ps3 with 2 games and a controller sold for a LOSS of around $80-$100+ (because of ebay fees and retail taxes)...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60-GB-and-3Bonuses-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ270063432432QQihZ017QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[oasisboy]

Terry4014 is messing with people on ebay. He is buying all of the ps3s on ebay and I dont think he is paying for all of them...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60GB-Console_W0QQitemZ320055915289QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Sony-PlayStation-3-60G-with-Game_W0QQitemZ250057674625QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-60-gb-bundle-w-6-games_W0QQitemZ320060074949QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60-GB-System-New-in-Box_W0QQitemZ260062002092QQihZ016QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-60GB-warranty_W0QQitemZ190060253883QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60gb-Extras-PS3_W0QQitemZ120062989682QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-ps3-20g-movie-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ190060196847QQihZ009QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB-Sony-PlayStation-3-60gb-Game-console_W0QQitemZ270066350696QQihZ017QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-BRAND-NEW-60GB-WITH-TALLADEGA-NIGHTS_W0QQitemZ140060475116QQihZ004QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And so on....


To make this really funny, some dumbass left him positive feedback for a ps3 that he didnt pay!!! This is hilarious!!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=terryr4014&iid=320055915289

[io]

So at this point you have to wonder if someone doing all this fake bidding is working with (or actually is) someone else who is selling - ruin all the other auctions and yours will get more bids. Or it is just someone being a jerk. Well, that's true in either case I guess :rofl:.

[solid snake]

Terry4014 is messing with people on ebay. He is buying all of the ps3s on ebay and I dont think he is paying for all of them...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-60GB-Console_W0QQitemZ320055915289QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Sony-PlayStation-3-60G-with-Game_W0QQitemZ250057674625QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-60-gb-bundle-w-6-games_W0QQitemZ320060074949QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60-GB-System-New-in-Box_W0QQitemZ260062002092QQihZ016QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-60GB-warranty_W0QQitemZ190060253883QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60gb-Extras-PS3_W0QQitemZ120062989682QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-ps3-20g-movie-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ190060196847QQihZ009QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB-Sony-PlayStation-3-60gb-Game-console_W0QQitemZ270066350696QQihZ017QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-BRAND-NEW-60GB-WITH-TALLADEGA-NIGHTS_W0QQitemZ140060475116QQihZ004QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And so on....


To make this really funny, some dumbass left him positive feedback for a ps3 that he didnt pay!!! This is hilarious!!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=terryr4014&iid=320055915289

good maybe you scalpers will think twice next time:bouncy:

[Oops! I did it again.]

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-20GB-NOT-60GB-20-GB-W-6GMS-WIRELESS_W0QQitemZ290060435559QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

20GB, six games, and a Sixaxis controller...only $805.

[icruise]

That's the Barnes & Noble bundle that sold for $909.92. But notice that the reserve wasn't met, so he didn't have to sell it at that price.

[oasisboy]

This one sold for $5,100. I noticed that only 2 guys have bid on this and both are from the U.K. Do you think they paid for this ps3?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-CONSOLE-60GB-GAMES-EXTRA-CONTROLLER_W0QQitemZ160060842422QQihZ006QQcategory Z62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This other one sold for $5,700.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PS3-Sony-Playstation-3-60-GB-system-NEW-Free-DVD_W0QQitemZ130057549761QQihZ003QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[wowimsocute]

Don't even fuck around with that shit. Delete and do not respond.
or if you have lots of spare time, do a p-p-p-powerbook! (worth a read, if youve never read it)

btw everyone, i enjoyed this thread. :applause:

EDIT: stupid me forgot the link http://easynetworknyc.com/powerbook/

[Oops! I did it again.]

That's the Barnes & Noble bundle that sold for $909.92. But notice that the reserve wasn't met, so he didn't have to sell it at that price.

Yeah, that's good for him, but it's kind of surprising that the console did not net higher considering how quickly the B&N bundles were sold out...unless the eBayers were the ones who snatched 'em up?

[io]

This one sold for $5,100. I noticed that only 2 guys have bid on this and both are from the U.K. Do you think they paid for this ps3?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-CONSOLE-60GB-GAMES-EXTRA-CONTROLLER_W0QQitemZ160060842422QQihZ006QQcategory Z62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This other one sold for $5,700.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PS3-Sony-Playstation-3-60-GB-system-NEW-Free-DVD_W0QQitemZ130057549761QQihZ003QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

One guy, who is no longer registered by the way, bid on both of those, actually. But there are other accounts bidding 'fake' bids on these too (and a few of those have been banned too). In fact, in both cases, I'd say EVERY bid was fake. There weren't even any at the beginning that look real.

[gofishn]

Yeah, that's good for him, but it's kind of surprising that the console did not net higher considering how quickly the B&N bundles were sold out...unless the eBayers were the ones who snatched 'em up?

Bingo!

[Zoglog]

If you guys are really sick of fake bidders you can always sell here via storefonts.

http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Sony_Playstation_3_Console_with_60GB_Hard_Drive _PS3,__27737373

I sold one of my 20GB via here, so it wasnt too bad. Definetly better than Ebay. Though my intiial 20GB sold on ebay for much more =(. shouldve put it up then. Oh well still 2 weeks of selling time before Xmas. Dont give up hope

[Dhuk]

heh, this guy actually lost money selling a 20GB.

http://cgi.ebay.com/USA-Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-20GB-NIB-Ready-to-ship_W0QQitemZ120063529185QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Final Selling Price: $555

:FEES:

eBay Final value Fee: $27.75
PayPal Fee (credit card use): $16.40
Sales tax: $24 (rounded)

Total in fees and Tax: $68.15

Outcome: $486.85


I didn't add in the little stuff liek pictures and such. Still, not worth selling if you're gonna LOSE money.

[Rimmit]

Wow,
Most ps3 20gb are selling around 550ish, w/ shipping most net around 580-600 dollars, for the ps3 60gb, Most net around 750-780 total that's alraedy including shipping.

There definitely will be no spike. People just became apathetic w/ the ps3, and the wii truly took over. Thank god I sold mine first day. I really feel bad for people expecting an ebay spike. Esp. those who stayed outside in the freezing cold trying to get one, just to flip on ebay right now. All that work for nothing, actually in most situations, all that work so they could pay to be outside. What a disaster.

[addicted2games]

Wow,
Most ps3 20gb are selling around 550ish, w/ shipping most net around 580-600 dollars, for the ps3 60gb, Most net around 750-780 total that's alraedy including shipping.

There definitely will be no spike. People just became apathetic w/ the ps3, and the wii truly took over. Thank god I sold mine first day. I really feel bad for people expecting an ebay spike. Esp. those who stayed outside in the freezing cold trying to get one, just to flip on ebay right now. All that work for nothing, actually in most situations, all that work so they could pay to be outside. What a disaster.
yeah, I never have seen a new system lose its demand this fast before.

[Dezuria]

Even though I'm against the idea of buying and ebaying, I saw a PS3 20gb at Target today and my human greed took over and I bought it, but after checking ebay I decided to just return it to the store rather than screwing around on ebay just for $50 or less profit..

Either the Wii truly stole the spotlight, or the PS3 ebay market is just too saturated already. Maybe a combination of both.

[GizmoGC]

People on CL still seem to think the PS3 is gold. $1300 for a 60 Gig...yeah, right. As expected, these are barley pulling over MSRP. With Sony 'apparently' shipping 600,000 more units in 3 weeks, I expect prices to DROP. Can't wait to grab a used one in January!

[Zoglog]

yeah, I never have seen a new system lose its demand this fast before.

The main problem is people want the 60GB, not the 20GB.
Much of it is misinformation. plus if you want to pay a premium on an item you might as well go for the bigger ones.

I just sold a 20gb ps3 yesterday with $100 profit after shipping and paypal fees still so still not too bad.

[hiero4life]

They are still selling, in store and on ebay. The market is flooded on ebay and there isn't gonna be a spike next week. The demand for them is still there, there is just no reason to pay an insane amount over retail.

[GizmoGC]

The main problem is people want the 60GB, not the 20GB.
Much of it is misinformation. plus if you want to pay a premium on an item you might as well go for the bigger ones.

I just sold a 20gb ps3 yesterday with $100 profit after shipping and paypal fees still so still not too bad.

I'm considering the 20 gig...The only difference is that, the Multimedia ports, WiFi, and color of tray, right?

[icruise]

I'm considering the 20 gig...The only difference is that, the Multimedia ports, WiFi, and color of tray, right?
Yes. Honestly, for playing games or watching Blur-ray movies the systems are identical. Since the hard disk is easily upgradeable and USB memory card readers work, the wi-fi is the only difference that means anything.

[GizmoGC]

Yes. Honestly, for playing games or watching Blur-ray movies the systems are identical. Since the hard disk is easily upgradeable and USB memory card readers work, the wi-fi is the only difference that means anything.

20 gig for me then.

[Zoglog]

Good news guys

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/retailinsider1165983232.jpg

No more PS3's being shipped till after Xmas

[Rimmit]

No you read it wrong, it states that no more IN ADDITION to the already manufactured units. As in no more will be shipped by sony on top of what's already been manufactured. So there could potentially be more still moving by air that have already been manufactured, but they will not add more of the currently manufacturing units on top of that.

[larry6171]

It's over. look at this poor, poor seller. Look at the size of this loss

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-20GB-Movie-3-Games-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ170060324166QQihZ007QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


After Ebay and Paypal fees over $150 loss... HAHAHAHAHA..I am so glad I presold one of mine and sold the rest weeks ago....

[Kendro]

He deserves it for being stupid enough to sell it as a bundle.

[io]

It's over. look at this poor, poor seller. Look at the size of this loss

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-20GB-Movie-3-Games-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ170060324166QQihZ007QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


After Ebay and Paypal fees over $150 loss... HAHAHAHAHA..I am so glad I presold one of mine and sold the rest weeks ago....

Damn, even after shipping the buyer got a free game and half there. Those 20 giggers really are not getting much love.

No kidding, Kendro - either sell it by itself, or offer the games if the price reaches a certain (reasonable) amount. Don't lump em' all together. The ONLY thing that I've seen sell recently for more as a bundle than individually are the Wii Remote sets (Remote, Nunchuk, Classic). And that's just for convenience (and so buyers can save on shipping).

[vincewy]

Doesn't matter if you bundle it or not, look at this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-20-GB-COMES-WITH-BLUE-RAY_W0QQitemZ140062645327QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You can get 20G below retail after shipping w/o paying sales tax.

Sony probably don't even have to worry about shipping more units to store, perhaps we'll see quite a few returns soon, from the auctions I read, many of them are launch units and sellers were either holding out for Xmas rush or relisting, so much for camping out for 2 days.

[io]

Doesn't matter if you bundle it or not, look at this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-20-GB-COMES-WITH-BLUE-RAY_W0QQitemZ140062645327QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You can get 20G below retail after shipping w/o paying sales tax.

Sony probably don't even have to worry about shipping more units to store, perhaps we'll see quite a few returns soon, from the auctions I read, many of them are launch units and sellers were either holding out for Xmas rush or relisting, so much for camping out for 2 days.

Yeah, that isn't quite as bad as the bundle one though.

But I find this amusing. That auction has the following "specials" listed:


If this auction sells for over $1,500, I will include free overnight shipping.
If this auction sells for over $2,000, I will include free overnight shipping and a free video game (Choose from Resistance: Fall of Man and Madden 2007)
If this auction sells for over $2,750, I will include free overnight shipping, both Resistance: Fall of Man AND Madden 2007, and an extra wireless Sony Brand Controller (not a generic version, the real deal).

BTW, it sold for $455.

[lanzarlaluna]

I just saw an auction end for $500 plus $30 shipping on a 20GB with an extra controller and Resistance. I was super tempted to pull the trigger. That's $10 cheaper than I would pay for the console alone plus tax. O_o

[YoshiFan1]

Wow, under retail almost makes me want to try to get a system on EBay but $500 with shipping is still too much for me.

[Zoglog]

I'm suprised people are still bothering to sell on ebay anymore. The problem is so many people got thier auctions jacked that they've taken them elsewhere.

[lanzarlaluna]

Did anyone notice the Wii is going apeshit on eBay? I'm talking auctions ending in the $600 range. Insanity! If you want a PS3, you should flip two Wii; then you'll have enough for a PS3. :o

[magiic]

Insurance isn't really worth anything because apparently the seller can refuse to make an insurance claim if the item arrives damaged from transit and just file a claim with paypal. That's what happened to me anyways, still waiting to see if paypal rules against me and forces a refund. In which case I think I am fucked

[io]

Bad new for sellers AND for Sony, as far as I'm concerned:

I was in Fry's on a VERY busy Friday afternoon. They had a sign up in the front saying they had PS3's in stock. It is a bundle with 6 games for retail ($960), so that drives away many buyers. But still, it is 1 week before Christmas and there are apparently very few takers. The fact that it was there at all by late afternoon with all the traffic Fry's had is a bad sign, especially for Sony.

[vincewy]

I'm suprised people are still bothering to sell on ebay anymore. The problem is so many people got thier auctions jacked that they've taken them elsewhere.

Most people indeed have, but there're people out there that have NO CHOICE BUT TO SELL ON EBAY NOW before Xmas, even more amazing, there're close to 25000 PS3 auctions on eBay now, this shows how high the percentage of the units bought with intention of reselling (even worse if bought one off eBay with intention to resell later, I've heard one guy bought 5 for $1000 each earlier, thinking they'd go $5000), many were holding out for last holiday rush and they're getting screwed, I'd not want to be this seller right now, check out the systems he has

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140065252335

Console launches have completely lost their appeals, I still vividly remember the launch of PS1 in Sept 1995, you could walk into Best Buy and pick up the consoles well into later that evening, however, nearly all launch titles were sold out at the end of the day except garbage titles like Street Fighter the Movie, I bought the system with 5 games myself (Raiden Project, ESPN, Ridge Racer, Toshinden, Rayman for all the good memories BTW), all because we wanted to play them. Nowadays they are replaced by horders with no intention to buy any game(s), just look at the system to software sales ratio in Japan for PS3

[io]

Most people indeed have, but there're people out there that have NO CHOICE BUT TO SELL ON EBAY NOW before Xmas, even more amazing, there're close to 25000 PS3 auctions on eBay now, this shows how high the percentage of the units bought with intention of reselling (even worse if bought one off eBay with intention to resell later, I've heard one guy bought 5 for $1000 each earlier, thinking they'd go $5000), many were holding out for last holiday rush and they're getting screwed now, I'd not want to be this seller right now, check out the systems he has now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140065252335

Well, to top it all off the dumbass makes 4 auctions that end within 2 minutes of each other and in the middle of the night (about 2:30 AM Pacific). Not smart. At this point, why resell them? I'd just return 'em. At $750 (minimum bid) he's not making much anyway. I bet there's going to be ALOT of returns at Best Buy and such on Dec 16/17th (hey, that's right now!) with the 30 day return policies.

[dragonjud]

Most people indeed have, but there're people out there that have NO CHOICE BUT TO SELL ON EBAY NOW before Xmas, even more amazing, there're close to 25000 PS3 auctions on eBay now, this shows how high the percentage of the units bought with intention of reselling (even worse if bought one off eBay with intention to resell later, I've heard one guy bought 5 for $1000 each earlier, thinking they'd go $5000), many were holding out for last holiday rush and they're getting screwed, I'd not want to be this seller right now, check out the systems he has

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140065252335

Console launches have completely lost their appeals, I still vividly remember the launch of PS1 in Sept 1995, you could walk into Best Buy and pick up the consoles well into later that evening, however, nearly all launch titles were sold out at the end of the day except garbage titles like Street Fighter the Movie, I bought the system with 5 games myself (Raiden Project, ESPN, Ridge Racer, Toshinden, Rayman for all the good memories BTW), all because we wanted to play them. Nowadays they are replaced by horders with no intention to buy any game(s), just look at the system to software sales ratio in Japan for PS3

I miss those days...

[Kendro]

Well, to top it all off the dumbass makes 4 auctions that end within 2 minutes of each other and in the middle of the night (about 2:30 AM Pacific). Not smart. At this point, why resell them? I'd just return 'em. At $750 (minimum bid) he's not making much anyway. I bet there's going to be ALOT of returns at Best Buy and such on Dec 16/17th (hey, that's right now!) with the 30 day return policies.

Pretty sure if you bought them in November you can return them in January due to the extended receipt policy. But yeah, I imagine at this time, if you want a PS3, your best bet is to just walk into a Best Buy because of all the returns.

[Zoglog]

yeah the Wii was definetly a better Flipper. There are some people who bought like 40 wii's and sold them for $500 each. I shouldve diversified a little more. But then again I should've sold my preorder for the ps3 as well or even the ps3 way early on. I couldve easily made $3000 on just 3 ps3s.

oh well what is done is done. Still ended up positive in the end.

[io]

yeah the Wii was definetly a better Flipper. There are some people who bought like 40 wii's and sold them for $500 each. I shouldve diversified a little more. But then again I should've sold my preorder for the ps3 as well or even the ps3 way early on. I couldve easily made $3000 on just 3 ps3s.

oh well what is done is done. Still ended up positive in the end.

How the hell are people buying that many Wii's (or PS3's for that matter)? I have mine, and have been trying to find maybe one more to sell to pay for mine - no luck whatsoever. I could see stumbling on a few by chance (or waiting 10 hours or whatever tonight for the Target line, which isn't worth it unless I was trying to get one for my family), but 40?? They must have connections at retail outlets.

[xabsolut]

If you check EBAY now, the 60GBs are going for around 700 with shipping. :(

I didnt sell mine yet!!! I'm so screwed

[mykevermin]

I didnt sell mine yet!!! I'm so screwed

Then return it.

[encendido5]

I went to an EB and they had a single 60gb PS3 left. I thought about it but then remembered this thread and decided to pass.

[Dhuk]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PS3-NIB-console-PREMIUM-60GB-W-FREE-BLU-RAY-MOVIE_W0QQitemZ320063058753QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-PS-3-20GB-IN-HAND-2-YEARXTRA-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ150069907649QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-60-gig-Extra-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ300060952147QQihZ020QQcategoryZ62 054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


It's just pointless to sell a PS3 now, with the possibility of LOSING money and going through all that scammer drama BS. Are those people that sad and desperate, or just don't plain know any better. Both:-({|=

[Will]

I remember working in walmart when the N64 was released and it was getting over 1g lol....

[SoccerEBA3]

Ok, so I just sold my PS3 for $750 (not bad, I'll take it)

Buyer's name is Claire Tsai, has a gmail account, feedback of +3, with none more recent than March 2005....

After auction, sends me this e-mail:

"Hi there,

I just paid by Paypal, but the transaction wasn't smooth, since I used
another new credit card, also I moved to a new address, but I haven't
upgraded my info of my Paypal account yet. I tried to change the
address and credit card number, but wasn't sure if I did it. Please
let me know if you get the payment!

Thanks!
Claire"

The address I'm supposed to ship to is to a Stephen Lawrence who lives in Louisiana, when on ebay the buyer's zip code was near Boston, Massachusetts....there IS a phone number I can call

So, what should I do here? Unverified paypal account and unconfirmed address, but the payment is already cleared and in my account....

Help?

[tiredfornow]

I love lamp too.

[io]

Ok, so I just sold my PS3 for $750 (not bad, I'll take it)

Buyer's name is Claire Tsai, has a gmail account, feedback of +3, with none more recent than March 2005....

After auction, sends me this e-mail:

"Hi there,

I just paid by Paypal, but the transaction wasn't smooth, since I used
another new credit card, also I moved to a new address, but I haven't
upgraded my info of my Paypal account yet. I tried to change the
address and credit card number, but wasn't sure if I did it. Please
let me know if you get the payment!

Thanks!
Claire"

The address I'm supposed to ship to is to a Stephen Lawrence who lives in Louisiana, when on ebay the buyer's zip code was near Boston, Massachusetts....there IS a phone number I can call

So, what should I do here? Unverified paypal account and unconfirmed address, but the payment is already cleared and in my account....

Help?

Yikes, you need to be careful there - that could be a hijacked ebay/paypal account. Then you'll get hit with a chargeback for sure. I would call the MA number and see if you can talk to this Claire person directly. That is perfectly acceptible for ebay auctions - they encourage it, in fact, when disputes arise.

I was lucky to get a confirmed address on my sale. On many of my regular items (cheap used games and the like) I keep getting unconfirmed's even when I say they must be confirmed. So some people just don't read. In most cases I ship anyway because they are cheap things. But on a PS3 I'd be extra-careful.

[Zoglog]

barebones NEVER ship to an unconfirmed address. I don't give a shit if timmy lukemia needs it in California for Christmas and the Buyer's address is in New York. That package is going to the confirmed address or none at all.

Sure they could be telling the truth, but that's just not a risk worth taking. because once you do that you are no longer protected under paypal and when the person who's paypal account got phished finds out a month later, Paypal will take the money straight from your bank account and you'll be out the money and your PS3.

I guess the christmas boost isn't working too well for the ps3. pity.

[superspiffy]

I have a PS3 20gb. Got it when it was selling for around 700-800. Now I'm screwed, shoulda sold it when I had the chance. I can return it on January but I'm still hanging on a hope that I can get something to pay for my Wii. I've never sold anything on ebay and I dont know how the hell it works with all the fees and the insurance, and it's not like I can get anything out of it now. Whats the best site alternative?

[Rimmit]

Sure they could be telling the truth, but that's just not a risk worth taking. because once you do that you are no longer protected under paypal and when the person who's paypal account got phished finds out a month later, Paypal will take the money straight from your bank account and you'll be out the money and your PS3.

I guess the christmas boost isn't working too well for the ps3. pity.

That's incorrect. Paypal can only freeze your paypal account. They cannot take money straight from the sellers account as that is an unauthorized bank charge, and can be disputed w/ your bank. I know, I've had all this happen to me before. They can take money out of your paypal account at will though, which is just ridiculous.

[GizmoGC]

I have a PS3 20gb. Got it when it was selling for around 700-800. Now I'm screwed, shoulda sold it when I had the chance. I can return it on January but I'm still hanging on a hope that I can get something to pay for my Wii. I've never sold anything on ebay and I dont know how the hell it works with all the fees and the insurance, and it's not like I can get anything out of it now. Whats the best site alternative?

Return it. Not a single person will pay you $500+ for an item when you have 0 feedbacks. You may get taken advantage of as well. Keep it, or return it. Do not sell it.

[spamfree2]

Return it. Not a single person will pay you $500+ for an item when you have 0 feedbacks. You may get taken advantage of as well. Keep it, or return it. Do not sell it.
Listen to gizmogc. Save yourself from the headaches and the Ebay listing fees. There are 25,000 current auctions for PS3's. Many with reputable feedback which are ending with 0 bids.

[The Mana Knight]

Okay, now I really want all scalpers to fucking die. I'm really crying right now after what happened to me today.

I was at Meijer today and saw a 20GB PS3, for $499.99, and I would also get 15% off of it by using a Meijer credit card (well, I was I just couldn't believe it, because I could get it for $425, after 15% off. However, since I never thought it would happen, I had to think about it (whether I'll have the money for it). Just when I realized I would, I saw some Asian guy standing right in front of the PS3, calling someone up asking how much they are going for on ebay. He snatched it up from me, before I could get it. I shouted "I was going to get it, since I actually want to keep it", and he's like "I'll sell it to you for $700". Now, I fucking hate ebay scalpers even more and wish "death" to them. Now since I thought about a PS3, I decided I will get one, the next time I see a 20GB model, during a Meijer sale (might be a while, but I'm saving up).

Seriously, I WANT a PS3, but I'm not buying one off of someone (can only pay by credit card for now), and I don't want one that's been scalped. The most I would pay for it, is $499.99 + Indiana State tax. Anything more, screw that.

[dragonjud]

Okay, now I really want all scalpers to fucking die. I'm really crying right now after what happened to me today.

I was at Meijer today and saw a 20GB PS3, for $499.99, and I would also get 15% off of it by using a Meijer credit card (well, I was I just couldn't believe it, because I could get it for $425, after 15% off. However, since I never thought it would happen, I had to think about it (whether I'll have the money for it). Just when I realized I would, I saw some Asian guy standing right in front of the PS3, calling someone up asking how much they are going for on ebay. He snatched it up from me, before I could get it. I shouted "I was going to get it, since I actually want to keep it", and he's like "I'll sell it to you for $700". Now, I fucking hate ebay scalpers even more and wish "death" to them. Now since I thought about a PS3, I decided I will get one, the next time I see a 20GB model, during a Meijer sale (might be a while, but I'm saving up).

Seriously, I WANT a PS3, but I'm not buying one off of someone (can only pay by credit card for now), and I don't want one that's been scalped. The most I would pay for it, is $499.99 + Indiana State tax. Anything more, screw that.

So, wait, all of that ranting on the Sears thread came without you even owning one?
Gosh, Sony fanboys are just as bad as some Nintendo fanboys...

[AshesofWake]

:rofl:

[The Mana Knight]

So, wait, all of that ranting on the Sears thread came without you even owning one?
Gosh, Sony fanboys are just as bad as some Nintendo fanboys...No, I'm just getting tired of people putting down the PS3. I have played one and find it to be pretty good.
:rofl:STFU.

[imascrub]

That's incorrect. Paypal can only freeze your paypal account. They cannot take money straight from the sellers account as that is an unauthorized bank charge, and can be disputed w/ your bank. I know, I've had all this happen to me before. They can take money out of your paypal account at will though, which is just ridiculous.


guess lesson learned is to transfer your balance out to your bank account immediately

[io]

Okay, now I really want all scalpers to fucking die. I'm really crying right now after what happened to me today.

I was at Meijer today and saw a 20GB PS3, for $499.99, and I would also get 15% off of it by using a Meijer credit card (well, I was I just couldn't believe it, because I could get it for $425, after 15% off. However, since I never thought it would happen, I had to think about it (whether I'll have the money for it). Just when I realized I would, I saw some Asian guy standing right in front of the PS3, calling someone up asking how much they are going for on ebay. He snatched it up from me, before I could get it. I shouted "I was going to get it, since I actually want to keep it", and he's like "I'll sell it to you for $700". Now, I fucking hate ebay scalpers even more and wish "death" to them. Now since I thought about a PS3, I decided I will get one, the next time I see a 20GB model, during a Meijer sale (might be a while, but I'm saving up).

Seriously, I WANT a PS3, but I'm not buying one off of someone (can only pay by credit card for now), and I don't want one that's been scalped. The most I would pay for it, is $499.99 + Indiana State tax. Anything more, screw that.

Well, the joke will be on the guy who bought it. He ain't making any money off of it. You might even be able to get a *deal* on ebay if you search around a bit - like a bundle with a controller and a few games for less than retail. Though that 15% off would be hard to beat.

[SoccerEBA3]

Yikes, you need to be careful there - that could be a hijacked ebay/paypal account. Then you'll get hit with a chargeback for sure. I would call the MA number and see if you can talk to this Claire person directly. That is perfectly acceptible for ebay auctions - they encourage it, in fact, when disputes arise.

I was lucky to get a confirmed address on my sale. On many of my regular items (cheap used games and the like) I keep getting unconfirmed's even when I say they must be confirmed. So some people just don't read. In most cases I ship anyway because they are cheap things. But on a PS3 I'd be extra-careful.
Well my buyer still has not responded to any of my e-mails, I will try calling tomorrow if they have still not made any contact.

The payment is on its way to my bank account, so once it's there, I might as well just ship it....

[The Mana Knight]

Well, the joke will be on the guy who bought it. He ain't making any money off of it. You might even be able to get a *deal* on ebay if you search around a bit - like a bundle with a controller and a few games for less than retail. Though that 15% off would be hard to beat.I seriously told that guy about that, and he still seemed tempted to do it. There's ebay fees, paypal fees, etc. Even if it sells for $600, he still spent $530 on it and ebay fees will trim away at some of the $600. I feel he'll make a $30-$40 profit.

Well, I'll probably get another opportunity for sure, when the PS3 is more widely available.

[crazytalkx]

:rofl:

:applause:

[62t]

a new low?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110067252266

[io]

a new low?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110067252266

Wow, 3400+ page views, and it still went that low. Wow...

And all that effort with the pictures and all (though it would have helped to move the baby toys from the background :rofl:).
Also, in that one picture her knees look like someone's elbows. Freaky.

[62t]

more from the same person

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOOK-Sony-Playstation-3-system-PS3-60GB-with-Games_W0QQitemZ110064592818QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1471 77QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[io]

more from the same person

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOOK-Sony-Playstation-3-system-PS3-60GB-with-Games_W0QQitemZ110064592818QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1471 77QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

OK, so from that I learned that the baby toys are really probably for the dog :rofl:. And what the hell is that she's wearing? It is hanging up on the wall in the other auction's pictures.

I also learned that she made about $50 profit total off both systems. Ouch.

And this one has over 5000 page views. What is up with that?

[zman73]

OK, so from that I learned that the baby toys are really probably for the dog :rofl:. And what the hell is that she's wearing? It is hanging up on the wall in the other auction's pictures.

I also learned that she made about $50 profit total off both systems. Ouch.

And this one has over 5000 page views. What is up with that?

Looks like she is living in a trailer... glad to see she didnt make too much money off of these.... people keep snapping up PS3's only because they think they will make a mint off of ebay... these auctions amuse and piss me off at the same time, especially when they are seen posing with a stack of PS3's

While Nintendo Wii keeps getting positive reviews and press... its not how I imagined the start of this console war

[The Mana Knight]

I found out who that person was who took that PS3 from me. He looked like someone from my old H.S., but could not guarantee it because I know a few who look like him (He also looked a tad bigger than I remember). Also, I never really knew that guy either. I found out it was him by randomly looking at one of my friend's profile at Facebook (seeing if his cousin ever added him as a friend, and when looking at friends, there that guy was), saw him next to the girl that looked nearly identical to the one I saw him with. Well, I know a lot of information about him, and I have friends who know him, so I might get some revenge (like making friends of his I know, who I'm friends with too, give him a hard time). :P

[Juggernaut488]

more from the same person

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOOK-Sony-Playstation-3-system-PS3-60GB-with-Games_W0QQitemZ110064592818QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1471 77QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

LOL, anyone receiving these will see slug tracks all over the boxes ;) :lol:

[eau]

LOL, anyone receiving these will see slug tracks all over the boxes ;) :lol:
They'll need these...

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/9672/lysolfp2.jpg http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3305/gophercr4.jpg

[Kayden]

Those are the worst idea ever. You always see little old ladies carrying them. First, they flail it around and damn near stab someone with it. Then, when they finally get it on the item they want, they can't support the weight at that distance and wind up just dropping it on the floor anyways. :roll:

They'll need these...

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/9672/lysolfp2.jpg http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3305/gophercr4.jpg

[oasisboy]

BUMP.

Post here your ebay deals / scams, etc.

[Fanboy]

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3305/gophercr4.jpg
Alright, this is completely off topic, but in response to Kayden I'll say that we bought one of these devices for picking cherries from our tree. That's how it was sold to us and it has performed that task flawlessly.

Other than tormenting the dog with it, I cannot think I would have ever have conceived of another use for it -- especially not "old-lady-far-away-can-lifter".

[io]

Alright, this is completely off topic, but in response to Kayden I'll say that we bought one of these devices for picking cherries from our tree. That's how it was sold to us and it has performed that task flawlessly.

Other than tormenting the dog with it, I cannot think I would have ever have conceived of another use for it -- especially not "old-lady-far-away-can-lifter".

Even more off-topic (so sorry Oasisboy!): my Mom had back surgery last year and it was my task to go find her one of these (got it at Bed Bath and Beyond for $10 I think). It was very useful for her the first few months afterwards (and she isn't an old lady, not quite yet ;)).

Now my grandma had one (prob. still does) and she was kind of dangerous with it ;). But more because she'd use it to smack you if you mouthed off (well, my cousin anyway).

[P dad]

I miss my favorite post

[Z-Saber]

I miss my favorite postO.


K.

[vivafriend5]

They'll need these...

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/9672/lysolfp2.jpg http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3305/gophercr4.jpglol, those things are utterly worthless, you need to have more grip power than anything on this earth can muster to operate them!