The Official E-Bay Scalping Thread

[PyroGamer]

This thread is for all those of us planning on doing the weasly underhanded ploy, and screwing all the poor little kids out of PS3s. It's also for those of us who want to warn others of the problems in this get-rich-quick scheme.


Now onto my personal question:

I'm very intruiged by the prospect of a paycheck in the thousands just for a day waiting in line and an investment of $600.

But it seems to me it may be a rather dangerous investment. How does a seller protect themselves from fraud? I've heard that buyers can dispute a sale, saying for example that they never recieved their PS3, even with a signature they can say that they recieved a weighted box of rocks.

But once you sign, don't you forfeit all rights? It's your responsibility to inspect the package before signing, right?

Can you have buyers conceed to a disclaimer before bidding? It seems like there must be a safe way to scalp.

[Rictor]

All Paypal requires is delivery confirmation. Even if some one sends you an empty box, as long as they bought delivery confirmation, Paypal probably wont' refund you unless the seller has 0 feedback and other people are complaining. Whenever people on Ebay have filed a claim against me with Paypal, I just sent Paypal my delivery confirmation that showed the person already received the item I sent. Then the buyer usually "remembers" that yes, they already received it. Ebay is full of scammers...but delivery confirmation, only accepting U.S. bids, only accepting Paypal payments from confirmed addresses, etc. should protect you somewhat. I have sold valuable items on Ebay in the past with no problem, from large video game collections to rare comics books from the 30s and 40s.

I'm going to stop by Meijer at midnight on launch day to put my name in for their raffle they will probably do (that's what they did for the 360). Unlike everyone else that shows up 6 hours early to stand in line, I'll show up 15 minutes before the raffle and pop my name in while grocery shopping. There will be around 200 people there and they are only getting maybe 10 systems, so the odds of getting one aren't that great. If I do get one, I'll probably sell it to pay off my Wii and some games. And no, I don't feel guilty about this. Any gamer that is willing to pay $600 for a video game system has more money than brains. I'll get one 3 or 4 years from now when they drop to $200 if I don't find one cheaper before then. Most likely I'll end up trading for one a year or two from now, probably exploiting some trade-in deal at EB or Gamerush to get one for dirt cheap.

[Empyrical]

I think selling the PS3 for profit is a wonderful idea. Capitalism at it's finest. If some schmuck is willing to pay $1800 for a vide game system, then by all means let him. Besides, there's no games coming out for the PS3 that you absolutely must have this year; everything killer isn't coming out until 2007, so it's not that big of a deal. Same thing with Wii.

And yeah, the delivery confirmation thing is really only something to worry about if you're a buyer. If you actually deliver them the PS3, you've nothing to worry about, but if you were buying one you could feasably get a box of rocks and be in the shits. However, the astute buyer would give it a little pre-sign shake to see what's up, and then you'd really be fucked.

[Zoglog]

yeah, honestly unless you're really gay for crabs or Resistance, it's best to sell your PS3 to those who want it that much more desperately. And if you're taking the time to camp out for it, more power to you. Personally I think as long as you don't hoarde a whole bunch (like say 10 or more) I think it's not so bad. Of course people think getting 2 or more to sell is horrible or anything less than 30 is ok but yeah.........

[varock]

Now I'm speaking from personal experience I had scalping tickets on eBay. I sent the the tickets with DC. Apparently, it was never received by the buyer. The buyer filed a paypal dispute...I thought I was safe and that it was the Post Office's fault for not delivering, not mine. I got an email from paypal telling me I lost the dispute and that I had to refund the buyer the entire amount. When I asked for the reason, they simply said DC isn't legitimate proof that the item was sent...something like that. Now in the stories I've heard above, the item turned out to be delivered and everything was ok. But in my experience, the tickets never made its way there and I (the seller) had to pay the price.

Bottom line is that I've made it a habit to include mandatory insurance if the item I sell is valuable enough to warrant one.

[Lou-Dawg]

Now I'm speaking from personal experience I had scalping tickets on eBay. I sent the the tickets with DC. Apparently, it was never received by the buyer. The buyer filed a paypal dispute...I thought I was safe and that it was the Post Office's fault for not delivering, not mine. I got an email from paypal telling me I lost the dispute and that I had to refund the buyer the entire amount. When I asked for the reason, they simply said DC isn't legitimate proof that the item was sent...something like that. Now in the stories I've heard above, the item turned out to be delivered and everything was ok. But in my experience, the tickets never made its way there and I (the seller) had to pay the price.

Bottom line is that I've made it a habit to include mandatory insurance if the item I sell is valuable enough to warrant one.

Mandatory insurance is a must. Here is a list of things I plan to do if I decide to sell my EBGames PS3:

1) Delivery Confirmation
2) Paypal Only
3) Buy It Now with immediate payment required (still deciding on this one)
4) Insurance Mandatory
5) Will only ship to confirmed address
6) I'm not going to ship to anyone with less than 10 feedback. If they win my auction, I'm just going to refund the money and relist (taking a big hit on relisting). I know you aren't supposed to do this, but I'd rather take a hit of -1 to my feedback score than a hit of thousands to my wallet.

If I'm missing anything please chime in...

[neudog]

Mandatory insurance is a must. Here is a list of things I plan to do if I decide to sell my EBGames PS3:

1) Delivery Confirmation
2) Paypal Only
3) Buy It Now with immediate payment required (still deciding on this one)
4) Insurance Mandatory
5) Will only ship to confirmed address
6) I'm not going to ship to anyone with less than 10 feedback. If they win my auction, I'm just going to refund the money and relist (taking a big hit on relisting). I know you aren't supposed to do this, but I'd rather take a hit of -1 to my feedback score than a hit of thousands to my wallet.

If I'm missing anything please chime in...


Thanks for the tidbits. I'm not a seasoned eBay seller that is why I'm having my wife handle my auction. She is probably aware of everything you mentioned, but I thought I'd comment anyways because of it's usefulness.:)

[PyroGamer]

Bottom line is that I've made it a habit to include mandatory insurance if the item I sell is valuable enough to warrant one.
How much can you insure for?

[neudog]

How much can you insure for?

I'm not sure the max amount, but the incriments and amounts are listed at www.usps.com

edit// Here is the breakdown chart from USPS website:

Fee . . . . . . . . Insurance Coverage
$1.35 ................ $0.01 to $50
$2.30 ................ $50.01 to $100
$3.35 ................ $100.01 to $200
$4.40 ................ $200.01 to $300
$5.45 ................ $300.01 to $400
$6.50 ................ $400.01 to $500

I think you can insure at higher amounts with certain mailing options; Registered Mail can be Insured for up to $25,000.00

[shrike4242]

For the insurance rates that you'd need to have for covering that amount of a purchase, you'll need to take it to a post office or to UPS/FedEx. I think the limits for the insurance rates Paypal shipping offers aren't enough to cover some of the purchase prices PS3's might have on eBay. They'd know for certain.

Personally, for something like this, I'd rather deal with FedEx or UPS than the USPS.

If you did ship it via USPS, I'd recommend the following:
1) Signature Confirmation - requires a signature for delivery and you get a copy of the signature; forces someone to sign for it to be accepted, and it'll end up being shipped back to the sender if not accepted for delivery
2) Insurance - equal to purchase price + shipping + relisting fees + whatever else you think would cover an inconvienence
3) Priority Mail shipment, no Parcel Post or Media Mail

[neudog]

For the insurance rates that you'd need to have for covering that amount of a purchase, you'll need to take it to a post office or to UPS/FedEx. I think the limits for the insurance rates Paypal shipping offers aren't enough to cover some of the purchase prices PS3's might have on eBay. They'd know for certain.

Personally, for something like this, I'd rather deal with FedEx or UPS than the USPS.

If you did ship it via USPS, I'd recommend the following:
1) Signature Confirmation - requires a signature for delivery and you get a copy of the signature; forces someone to sign for it to be accepted, and it'll end up being shipped back to the sender if not accepted for delivery
2) Insurance - equal to purchase price + shipping + relisting fees + whatever else you think would cover an inconvienence
3) Priority Mail shipment, no Parcel Post or Media Mail

Thanks for the info Shrike. Just another step closer to having a listing that I won't get screwed on.:)

[DomLando]

I'll be using some of this info to.

[PINKO]

scalping yes

[encendido5]

I sent the XBox 360 last year via express mail insured with signature confirmation and had no problems. Funny thing was that the buyer wanted me to send to her work address instead of her confirmed address. I reluctantly sent it over, but only after doing a bit of researching on the company and making sure it was legit.

[electroslag]

I am planning on scalping but when do you guys think the lines will start to form. I am planning on showing up on the 15th at Best Buy I have to work and go to school so I hope that is early enough.

[whoknows]

Do you guys think the requirements for selling actual PS3's will be as high as the requirements for just selling the pre-orders?

[JEKKI]

shake dem titties when u sell dat PS3 bitch!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-System-Console-60GB-Pre-Sale_W0QQitemZ220047049972QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Kendro]

I don't plan on getting a PS3 (to play or to scalp), but it seems to me this sort of thing is a bit dangerous and wouldn't be worth the "nervous anxiety" of selling one.

If for some reason I was lucky to get one from Amazon (no way I'm attempting to secure one from B & M), I'd probably go through one of those "We sell your shit on eBay" type of stores. Has anyone considered this or is it not a smart thing to do?

You dump the PS3 on them, they are the "pros" and can spot a scam from a mile away. They would take the precautions, and handle the insurance, the shipping, etc. All you would do is collect the paycheck. Their cut would most likely be 20%, so if you sell a PS3 for $1500, that's about a $800 profit, and you would get $640. Or is it worth risking the scams to keep that 20 percent?

[Chris S]

shake dem titties when u sell dat PS3 bitch!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-System-Console-60GB-Pre-Sale_W0QQitemZ220047049972QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

LOL!! Funniest damn thing I've seen all day!

[Rimmit]

If for some reason I was lucky to get one from Amazon (no way I'm attempting to secure one from B & M), I'd probably go through one of those "We sell your shit on eBay" type of stores. Has anyone considered this or is it not a smart thing to do?


As a long time ebayer and seller, I can personally say, that these "Sell your shit on Ebay" stores can't stop a fake auction any better then a normal person. It's much easier for a normal person as they are only watching one auction, where as they are managing hundreds. Also, many fake bidders bid at the last second, thereby eliminating any chance even the best of ebayers can stop that bid. After going through the 360 fiasco last year, there are still MANY more honest ebayers then fake ones, and you still stand a very good chance of selling to a normal person. The "ebay" stores would be no more successful then a normal ebayer. The only reason you would ever consider an ebay store is if you have really low unreliable feedback, that could possibly negatively impact your bids. If you have at least 50+ positive, you should be fine, and anything over a 100+ you're golden.

[chrishicks]

shake dem titties when u sell dat PS3 bitch!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-System-Console-60GB-Pre-Sale_W0QQitemZ220047049972QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

damn, dead.

[YoshiFan1]

I don't think it was mentioned yet but Paypal requires signature confirmation on items for $250 + .

What scares me about scalpling a PS3 is the buyer claiming the system doesn't work. As a seller, you say take it up with Sony since it's under warranty. The buyer, after just paying $1000+ gets annoyed and files a not as described Paypal chargeback. That requires the buyer to send it back to the seller. The buyer could send you an empty box with DC on it to show Paypal they sent the system back to you and then Paypal would take the money out of your account. They could also go to their credit card company and do a credit card chargeback to scam you. The $600 risk is a concern.

[Lou-Dawg]

I don't think it was mentioned yet but Paypal requires signature confirmation on items for $250 + .

What scares me about scalpling a PS3 is the buyer claiming the system doesn't work. As a seller, you say take it up with Sony since it's under warranty. The buyer, after just paying $1000+ gets annoyed and files a not as described Paypal chargeback. That requires the buyer to send it back to the seller. The buyer could send you an empty box with DC on it to show Paypal they sent the system back to you and then Paypal would take the money out of your account. They could also go to their credit card company and do a credit card chargeback to scam you. The $600 risk is a concern.

Thats really not a problem. They file a 'not as described' claim against you, you just provide pictures of the UNSEALED, UNOPENED PS3 that you sent them. The warrantee is with Sony, not you, so you are not liable for any faults in the system itself.

[Blind the Thief]

I, too, wish to embark on what we'll call a "glorious journey for capitalism". Two major questions:

1. I can either wait in line at a BestBuy, WalMart, CompUSA, or take the BART over and ait at the Metreon. The Metreon is sure to be crowded, but it'll also most likely get a lot more units. What do you think? I don't really feel like waiting in line more than 8-12 hours, if possible.

2. I've never sold anything on eBay before. Could selling the PS3 be potentially bad/difficult, as it would be my first item as a seller?

[gofishn]

I, too, wish to embark on what we'll call a "glorious journey for capitalism". Two major questions:

1. I can either wait in line at a BestBuy, WalMart, CompUSA, or take the BART over and ait at the Metreon. The Metreon is sure to be crowded, but it'll also most likely get a lot more units. What do you think? I don't really feel like waiting in line more than 8-12 hours, if possible.

2. I've never sold anything on eBay before. Could selling the PS3 be potentially bad/difficult, as it would be my first item as a seller?

To answer #2, the PS3 will definitely sell if you put it on there, but you'll probably get less than someone with a history of good feedback. Also, be careful of scammers. They'll know that you're new to selling and probably try to take advantage of that. Luckily, they usually aren't that smart and as long as you're cognizant of the fact that someone may be trying to rip you off, in most cases you can spot and avoid them relatively easily.

[TahoeMax]

If I end up doing Ebay (which i probably will), i'll be shipping to the US, Canada, and the UK, all of which are covered by Paypal's seller protection policy. Sellers who can provide proof of mailing, ship only to confirmed addresses, require signature confirmation for items $250+, and have verified premier/business accounts get $5000 in coverage per year. I just finished reading the policy word for word and it looks like if you stick to those qualifications, you'll be pretty darn safe, even from chargebacks.

[crushtopher]

PayPal in no way, shape, or form is a security blanket. I don't use my PayPal after getting screwed over by a buyer who sent a bad check, claimed the item i sent was damaged, and returned just the box back to me. i was left with no money, no product and debt to PayPal...which was only resolved once I got the law involved

[TahoeMax]

Shouldn't send an item before the check clears. That was your first mistake...

[Rimmit]

PayPal in no way, shape, or form is a security blanket. I don't use my PayPal after getting screwed over by a buyer who sent a bad check, claimed the item i sent was damaged, and returned just the box back to me. i was left with no money, no product and debt to PayPal...which was only resolved once I got the law involved

I agree, however, paypal will side w/ the seller way more often w/ the buyer. I have been in many disputes, and as previously stated in many posts, all that is required is delivery confirmation pretty much to win any dispute.

NEVER EVER EVER buy anything using your bank account on ebay. Ebay only covers up to 200 dollars -25 dollar paypal fee for disputing a transaction, there fore, the most you can get back on a transaction EVER is 175 unless the seller qualifies for paypal buyer protection. Paypal DOES NOT PROTECT THE BUYER hardly at all. I was ripped off BAD in my early days of ebay b/c paypal will not cover your ass. Always use a credit card, as you can dispute w/ them and they are way more apt to give you your money back IN FULL on a disputed transaction. Bank account offer virtually no protection. I even went to my bank to dispute the withdrawal, they credited it to me, then PAYPAL AGAIN with drew the money out of my account. It was the most aggravating thing ever.

[mick16]

I was lucky enough to be able to pre-order a unit at GameStop but haven't put it up for auction yet. Do you think I'd make more $$$ putting it up now and ending the auction before Friday or waiting until I have it in my hands?

[arthurRWD]

I was lucky enough to be able to pre-order a unit at GameStop but haven't put it up for auction yet. Do you think I'd make more $$$ putting it up now and ending the auction before Friday or waiting until I have it in my hands?

yea, i have the exact same dilemma as you

[pop311]

How much does Ebay take out, say you sold it for $1800?

[mick16]

Your initial fee is $4.80 if you list over $500 plus whatever else (pictures, bold text, gallery, etc.)

Then for anything over $1000.01 = 5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 3.00% of the initial $25.01 - $1,000.00 ($29.25), plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1000.01 - closing value).

So if you were able to sell it for $1,800 you'd have to pay $1.31 + 29.95 + 12, so about $50 total including the insertion fees.

[controlcommerce]

Your initial fee is $4.80 if you list over $500 plus whatever else (pictures, bold text, gallery, etc.)

Then for anything over $1000.01 = 5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 3.00% of the initial $25.01 - $1,000.00 ($29.25), plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1000.01 - closing value).

So if you were able to sell it for $1,800 you'd have to pay $1.31 + 29.95 + 12, so about $50 total including the insertion fees.

Good math. Also people should not forget the Paypal fees if you go that route.
Paypal is 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction from $0.00 - $3,000.

[Lou-Dawg]

If I end up doing Ebay (which i probably will), i'll be shipping to the US, Canada, and the UK, all of which are covered by Paypal's seller protection policy. Sellers who can provide proof of mailing, ship only to confirmed addresses, require signature confirmation for items $250+, and have verified premier/business accounts get $5000 in coverage per year. I just finished reading the policy word for word and it looks like if you stick to those qualifications, you'll be pretty darn safe, even from chargebacks.

How are you going to get it through customs? Recipient of gifts to Canada have to pay excise tax if the value is greater than $50. To be completely honest, you would have to declare it as a commercial item, then you have to know country of origin, and they will be hit with even higher excise taxes. Seriously...just stick to domestic. International is too much of a risk with such a high ticket item.

[kwerry]

I, too, wish to embark on what we'll call a "glorious journey for capitalism". Two major questions:

1. I can either wait in line at a BestBuy, WalMart, CompUSA, or take the BART over and ait at the Metreon. The Metreon is sure to be crowded, but it'll also most likely get a lot more units. What do you think? I don't really feel like waiting in line more than 8-12 hours, if possible.

2. I've never sold anything on eBay before. Could selling the PS3 be potentially bad/difficult, as it would be my first item as a seller?

go to the metreon if you can. it is surely going to be a huge ass party. maybe some free stuff and 50 PS3 kiosks lined up or something. or maybe some Sony Girls in from japan. and yeah, probably have more units to sell, but to a bigger crowd.

[Blind the Thief]

go to the metreon if you can. it is surely going to be a huge ass party. maybe some free stuff and 50 PS3 kiosks lined up or something. or maybe some Sony Girls in from japan. and yeah, probably have more units to sell, but to a bigger crowd.

Ah, but now that we know Best Buy isn't letting people line up until the day before release, that might be my ticket in.

[dallow]

How do people here feel about the "Immediate Payment Required" on Buy It Now?

Do you guys feel this will turn away people or get you your money quicker?

I'm still debating on using this.

[White-Wolf]

some guy sold me a xbox with out a power supply. Basicly a gutted system. I tryed every what way to get my money back and couldent. You can get shafted both ways it seems. This was on ebay with pay pale mind you.

[dallow]

Sorry White-Wolf, but as people have said, the 'buyer' has almost no power.

[PhrostByte]

I was planning to craigslist mine...

[GizmoGC]

I was planning to craigslist mine...

Was waiting for someone to say that. Just meet at a public place, show him its still SEALED, and thats it. I would drive a different car then normal as well.

[Chris S]

How safe is Craigslist? I'm not too sure about meeting someone in public that I don't know and making a $1500+ transaction. Anyone done this before? Maybe with Xbox 360?

[lmz00]

Am I the only one selling it on Amazon?

[pop311]

Am I the only one selling it on Amazon?Yes.

[Lou-Dawg]

Am I the only one selling it on Amazon?

You have to be pre-approved to sell a PS3 on Amazon. So if you don't already have a bunch of Amazon Marketplace transactions, you can kiss that goodbye.

I know because I tried putting my pre-order up on Amazon and it said you have to be approved to sell it. I have listed other things on Amazon before, but not enough feedback I guess...

[TheBlueWizard]

How do people here feel about the "Immediate Payment Required" on Buy It Now?

Do you guys feel this will turn away people or get you your money quicker?

I'm still debating on using this.

It may turn off some buyers, but not a lot. What it will do is stop somone from using your buy it now to get the item closed with no intention of paying. There were several of these early on in the PS3 pre-sale business before eBay got serious about requirements for preorders.

I plan on requiring the immediate payment for mine if I sell it. I'm considering a new 1080p LCD, so maybe I'll keep it.

TBW

[lmz00]

You have to be pre-approved to sell a PS3 on Amazon. So if you don't already have a bunch of Amazon Marketplace transactions, you can kiss that goodbye.

I know because I tried putting my pre-order up on Amazon and it said you have to be approved to sell it. I have listed other things on Amazon before, but not enough feedback I guess...
I meant on Amazon Auctions, not the Marketplace. But yeah, it's a shame... those Marketplace PS3's were going for at least $2,100... some even as high as $2,500. :\

[hfdpro]

There was a time when talk like this was frowned upon on this site. Not trying to make anyone mad, but to all the gamers out there trying to find this item, it just makes it that much more difficult. I have a Wii pre-ordered, not interested in the PS3 at this time, so I guess you can call this an un-biased opinion.

[lanzarlaluna]

How safe is Craigslist? I'm not too sure about meeting someone in public that I don't know and making a $1500+ transaction. Anyone done this before? Maybe with Xbox 360? People sell used cars all the time by meeting in very public places. I would definitely not show up alone, and make sure you have some sort of protection. I bought a used car once, and the seller carried around a handgun under his seat. Overall, this would vary depending on where you live. It just depends on how safe you think your area is.

[chrishicks]

How safe is Craigslist? I'm not too sure about meeting someone in public that I don't know and making a $1500+ transaction. Anyone done this before? Maybe with Xbox 360?

you could just meet at your local Police Department. if the seller has issues with that there's your red flag.

[Blind the Thief]

There was a time when talk like this was frowned upon on this site. Not trying to make anyone mad, but to all the gamers out there trying to find this item, it just makes it that much more difficult. I have a Wii pre-ordered, not interested in the PS3 at this time, so I guess you can call this an un-biased opinion.

People are idiots/lazy, and I plan to make money off of that. If you don't like it, go back to fucking Russia, you red bastard.

[hfdpro]

Sad you would have to resort to name calling. In the U.S. there is such a thing as freedom of speech. Not everyone has to conform to your belief. My prior remark was only to show how much this site has changed, in some ways reflecting the attitude of a Fatwallet or Slickdeals mentality. Good luck in your venture.

[Blind the Thief]

Sad you would have to resort to name calling. In the U.S. there is such a thing as freedom of speech. Not everyone has to conform to your belief. My prior remark was only to show how much this site has changed, in some ways reflecting the attitude of a Fatwallet or Slickdeals mentality. Good luck in your venture.

In the US of A, we have a thing called "jokes". I'm sure whatever fascist regime that runs your country outlawed them years ago, but we like to tell them in this hemisphere.

[hfdpro]

It's a little difficult to project sarcasm in a forum. I guess we can agree to disagree. That's what makes this country great.

[White-Wolf]

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreign ers-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreign%20ers-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php)

this could be us on the 17th. i think anyone that sells a ps3 on ebay ect isent really a gamer let alone a cag. Thats my though, and thats what makes this country great.

[pop311]

Why do people think PS3 ebaying is an evil thing? It's just a smart and profitable idea.

[Metal Boss]

Why do people think PS3 ebaying is an evil thing? It's just a smart and profitable idea.
all it is, is monkey see monkey do... You're lucky to even get a PS3 near launch though, so it's going to be very profitable indeed.

[cyberlian]

I'll probably put mine on amazon marketplace

[cdeener]

Why do people think PS3 ebaying is an evil thing? It's just a smart and profitable idea.

Actually your right about it being a profitable idea because those that are dump enough to pay those way over retail prices have what I like to call, "Gotta Have It First Syndrome." This is were people just have to have something before everyone else which is stupid as fuck to me because everybody that wants one by the end of the system's life cycle will be able to get one. I said the same thing around the launch of the 360.

Pop311 like your custom title.

[DomLando]

Do you think it's smart to put the PS3 up the first day or wait until closer to the holidays?

[White-Wolf]

Why do people think PS3 ebaying is an evil thing? It's just a smart and profitable idea.

well for starters, this kind of action is what caused the stock market to crash that caused the great depression.... no not selling ps3s at high prices, but inflateing the price of stock untill no one can pay it. To be truthfull, its more like it if the people paying 2000 for a ps3 re sold it at 3000 or 4000.


becuse it shows sony that they should really just sell the first batch of ps3's at 3000$ (except thats price gaudgeing i think) and lower the price from there, and we all want that right? what if all companies increased prices on the things we need like food, and water, or gas.... ect. Would it be right? would you be ok with that?

like i said in the other thread, i know food and consoles are diffrent, but some here have been brainwashed to think that they arent are being taken advantage of, or taking advantage of others.

Why do people think selling coke at 50$ a six pack is an evil thing? It's just a smart and profitable idea.

*edited for clarity*

[Dhuk]

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreign ers-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreign%20ers-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php)

this could be us on the 17th. i think anyone that sells a ps3 on ebay ect isent really a gamer let alone a cag. Thats my though, and thats what makes this country great.

"This is the true face of the PlayStation 3 debut in Japan. Hardcore gamers are not here waiting in line overnight, buying a first-run PS3, and running home to play some good old next-gen gaming. Rather, opportunistic Japanese businessmen have the largest presence, hiring poor Chinese men and women to wait in line for a PS3, one which will later be sold on web auctions to wealthy gamers around the world for exorbitant amounts of money."

So basically these Japanese buisiness men took advantage of the poor Chinese in Japan, by having them wait inline for them. That sounds just wrong. I hope they enjoy the $600-700 they'll make (at this point) , scum.

[lmz00]

well for starters, this kind of action is what caused the stock market to crash that caused the great depression.... no not selling ps3s at high prices, but inflateing the price of stock untill no one can pay it.

haha... sorry, but that's not why the great depression took place XD

[infamyRISE]

haha... sorry, but that's not why the great depression took place XD

I'm pretty sure he wasn't refferring to a single item, especially not something equivalent to a frivilous PS3 purchase, but the same core principles here definately took place and help fueled a crash, most definately.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_bubble

[White-Wolf]

haha... sorry, but that's not why the great depression took place XD
So all the economic laws regulating the stock market after were just fluff? It may not be a sole reason, but it was a factor. Rather then saying I’m wrong, please enlighten me. Give me your truth and knowledge.

[Lou-Dawg]

Let's keep morality discussion out of this thread. START YOUR OWN THREAD, if you want to complain about ebay sales.]

EDIT: ALSO PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

[White-Wolf]

ok, sure. here is the thread then. im not a troll. lets discuss this here

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114759

[Trakan]

Continue morality discussion here:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103552

[PyroGamer]

Let's keep morality discussion out of this thread. START YOUR OWN THREAD, if you want to complain about ebay sales.]

EDIT: ALSO PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!! The Kotaku article has it's own thread here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114690

[yuckfou]

Do you think it's smart to put the PS3 up the first day or wait until closer to the holidays?
bumping this question :)

[Dr Mario Kart]

I think PS3s will be like 360s. The price will be highest at or before launch, and slowly trickle downward. This time around there are two cheaper and relatively more available options. I would get rid of PS3 before the Wii takes some of the wind out of the sails.

[pop311]

C'mon, BIG money, Big Money. Let's go WII

[cyberlian]

Anyone know how many additional (post launch) units sony is expecting to ship before the end of the year.

[mykevermin]

I think PS3s will be like 360s. The price will be highest at or before launch, and slowly trickle downward. This time around there are two cheaper and relatively more available options. I would get rid of PS3 before the Wii takes some of the wind out of the sails.

I think it will be different; I don't think the bubble will burst immediately, but because such a large portion of people plan on selling theirs immediately (my GS manager told me that only one of his preorders has purchased software thus far), it won't be as extravagant as some of the resellers think. If you're patient enough to wait 24 hours after launch, when the prices start to drop (they will assuredly start sky-fucking-high), you'll be able to secure a PS3 for under $900-1000 for a 60GB. Within 1 day. That's my prediction.

If we accept a conservative estimate of 10% of all PS3 systems sold are put on eBay immediately after launch, that's 40,000 systems vying for your auction attention.

A cursory glance of eBay this morning saw that most Japanese PS3 systems were selling for $1200-1400. Fewer than 10 ended over $1500, and one anomaly ended over $2000 (and that included some extras, I think).

Now, domestic systems will be more attractive to American buyers, but if you consider that there will be a massive increase in the number of systems being sold on eBay come the American launch, it just might balance out.

I truly think the PS3 launch will be a bust for profiteers. I also truly hope it is.

[Rimmit]

I think it will be different; I don't think the bubble will burst immediately, but because such a large portion of people plan on selling theirs immediately (my GS manager told me that only one of his preorders has purchased software thus far), it won't be as extravagant as some of the resellers think. If you're patient enough to wait 24 hours after launch, when the prices start to drop (they will assuredly start sky-fucking-high), you'll be able to secure a PS3 for under $900-1000 for a 60GB. Within 1 day. That's my prediction.

If we accept a conservative estimate of 10% of all PS3 systems sold are put on eBay immediately after launch, that's 40,000 systems vying for your auction attention.

A cursory glance of eBay this morning saw that most Japanese PS3 systems were selling for $1200-1400. Fewer than 10 ended over $1500, and one anomaly ended over $2000 (and that included some extras, I think).

Now, domestic systems will be more attractive to American buyers, but if you consider that there will be a massive increase in the number of systems being sold on eBay come the American launch, it just might balance out.

I truly think the PS3 launch will be a bust for profiteers. I also truly hope it is.

That is a reasonable analysis, however, when the 360 launch, I counted out approximately 10% of those went straight to ebay as well, when I searched the total number of auctions. However, it will likely be more like 20-30% for the PS3. However, to combat that extreme # of resales, is the extreme popularity of Sony's playstation brand. It's at least 5-10x more popular then Xbox. I've seen so many people who don't know shit about video games, yet are willing to line up for a PS3. The popularity is just enormous for a PS3, and that will balance out the enormous amount of ebaying, plus the competition of the wii and 360. It'll still be pretty monstrous as to how much money will be fetched on ebay. Likely hovering b/t 1500-2000 for the first couple days, leveling off to 1000-1200, and as christmas get's closer, 800.

[Dhuk]

^ Well sumed up post. The only reason the prices are so high is because of the hype. There is going to be such a huge flood of PS3s on ebay, I don't expect prices to go over $1500 (real buyers) on launch, and trickle on down from there. If there are alot of problems with the first batch of PS3s, prices will probably drop off even more. I wouldn't say the PS3 is more enormous over the 360. I see alot more casual players nowadays talking about Halo, and now Gears of War for the 360.

[javeryh]

If I can get $1,300 for mine I'll be very happy. All I want to do is cover the cost of another PS3 plus eBay and Paypal fees.

Also, I'm not too worried about getting a chargeback or anything because I created a bank account specifically to move money in and out of Paypal. Once the money is in my Paypal account I'll transfer it to my bank account. Then I'll go to my bank and withdraw the money. I don't see how Paypal could get the money from me after that.

I plan on listing the PS3 the second I bring it home with a BIN of $2,000 (and free shipping!). I'll post tons of pictures and stay on top of the auction to answer questions, etc. I plan on filming myself boxing up the unopened system for shipping and bringing it to the post office. I'll email the video file to the buyer or post it on YouTube or something for proof. Overkill? Maybe but I just want to be safe.

[gofishn]

If I can get $1,300 for mine I'll be very happy. All I want to do is cover the cost of another PS3 plus eBay and Paypal fees.

Also, I'm not too worried about getting a chargeback or anything because I created a bank account specifically to move money in and out of Paypal. Once the money is in my Paypal account I'll transfer it to my bank account. Then I'll go to my bank and withdraw the money. I don't see how Paypal could get the money from me after that.

I plan on listing the PS3 the second I bring it home with a BIN of $2,000 (and free shipping!). I'll post tons of pictures and stay on top of the auction to answer questions, etc. I plan on filming myself boxing up the unopened system for shipping and bringing it to the post office. I'll email the video file to the buyer or post it on YouTube or something for proof. Overkill? Maybe but I just want to be safe.

Good call with the buy it now. Hopefully somebody will panic and jump on it before the market gets saturated and prices drop.

[xghostsniperx]

Where are you guys going for your PS3s?

I have two options. Go to Wal-Mart in a town with 30,000 people and wait in line (missing school) in the warm Wal-Mart store for about fourteen hours. Or, I could go to Kmart in a town of around 10,000 people and wait in line (missing no school) outside in the freezing cold for ten hours or so.

I don't know.

[Skylander7]

bumping this question :)

It's all dependent upon how many units will hit retail prior to the Xmas season after the initial launch. I'm predicting nilch.. as was the case with the PS2. This is very new hardware folks... we're not just talking new processor, but new disc medium as well. I believe components are going to be in short supply for a long time, and they will likely ship slightly under 400,000 units.

Initially.. they will sell high. As the market floods (increase in supply), price will fall. However.. after the initial 2 weeks (in which Ebay is flooded), prices will climb until shortly after the Xmas holidays. Why? Wealthy parents and spoiled kids, early adopters who were left out, and zero supply.

Then again.. I may be wrong. People may just say fuck it and go to 360 and Wii for their fix. However, Sony does have that brand equity going on.. and as an earlier post stated, people just want the damned thing for having the Playstation logo on it.

While Sony has dropped the ball on this one (and lately for that matter), all of their previous successes have created a degree of brand equity and that "hip" factor through previous successes to create word-of-mouth consumer demand for this damned thing. Just as uneducated consumers referred to every damned video game on the planet as a "Nintendo" in the 80's and late 90's, people have now associated "Playstation" with "video games." All they know is that a new PS is coming out, and they want it.

I say give it a couple weeks, ride it out if you can. Everything hinges on a second shipment, and the fluctuation of supply and demand. I have joked on plenty of camping events before, but my punk ass has taken half of Friday off now in case I want to fight the hordes at Best Buy early in the AM to earn some Xmas money.

[Rimmit]

For all the scalpers out there!!
Breaking News!
PS3 shipments cut. GAmestop can't complete all preorders!!! Woohoo! Ebay stock is going to rise!! already up to around 1600-1700 today after the news, likely to rise more.

Just got called by my local gamestop. Thank god I'm#3. They offered me some free dvd's and games to give up my place in line. I laughed.

[robbart914]

I got a call confirming mine will be in on Friday. Why would you list it now though? Why not wait until Friday, when the insecurity is beyond, you have a PS3, and the bidders know you're not blowing smoke?

[mick16]

I just called my GameStop and they still said that they expected to receive all 16 units they pre-ordered which seems untrue based on that news release, but I guess I really don't care as long as I get mine at #8 (probably #6 if the employee orders really do have to wait until 2nd shipment).

The interesting thing was that he told me they don't expect the units to arrive until that morning, so you can't pick them up until Friday around noon.

[Stingermck]

Looks like one ended today at $2,500+, pre-ordered from Toys R Us. Madness I say.

[Rimmit]

There were 2 that ended 3000+, w/ what look to be reliable bidders. Most are ending in the 1600-1700 range, which is up 200-300 from yesterday. I've got an auction running right now, that will end in 1.5 hours, and am debating stopping it. W/ the recent allocation cut, it seems as though launch day night might be the best time to end on Ebay.

I consider myself a veteran ebayer, but for once in my ebay career I don't know what's the right time. It will be flooded, but more people won't have one, and they'll be desperate. Right now the market is cornered to just experienced ebayers....

I remember for the 360 the market shot up like a rocket for the first 36 hours, then leveled off. I'm predicting the same for the Ps3....

Tough decisions. Any suggestions? Should I end, or cash in at around 1,700. 900 dollars profit and run or go for a home run??

[Lieutenant Dan]

There were 2 that ended 3000+, w/ what look to be reliable bidders. Most are ending in the 1600-1700 range, which is up 200-300 from yesterday. I've got an auction running right now, that will end in 1.5 hours, and am debating stopping it. W/ the recent allocation cut, it seems as though launch day night might be the best time to end on Ebay.

I consider myself a veteran ebayer, but for once in my ebay career I don't know what's the right time. It will be flooded, but more people won't have one, and they'll be desperate. Right now the market is cornered to just experienced ebayers....

I remember for the 360 the market shot up like a rocket for the first 36 hours, then leveled off. I'm predicting the same for the Ps3....

Tough decisions. Any suggestions? Should I end, or cash in at around 1,700. 900 dollars profit and run or go for a home run??

Why not go for a home run? Granted, I may have never sold anything on ebay before... but you'll make similar money on launch day with a 40% chance of a home run.

I don't claim to know what I'm talking about.

[gofishn]

Personally, I'd leave it on. There's around 2000 PS3's listed right now. After launch that number could potentially be 20 times that. I expect most people to go with one day auctions meaning there would be multiple PS3's ending each minute which could really drive the price down.

[zewone]

If I sell using Paypal, what's the best way to secure my money?

I don't want some asshole telling Paypal they never recieved or it's broken and I get screwed?

Paypal can take money directly from your bank account can't they?

[Rimmit]

Paypal CANNOT take money from your bank account w/o authorization. That is considered an unauthorized transaction and can be disputed w/ your bank company.

Paypal CAN take money out of your paypal account. So basically the moment you get money, DUMP it into your bank account.

[zewone]

Thank you.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Idea regarding non-online/personal arrangements like Craigslist.

How bout signing a waiver when they pick it up stating something about you're not responsible for DOA consoles and the buyer will just have to take it up with Sony because you dont service warranties.

[gofishn]

Idea regarding non-online/personal arrangements like Craigslist.

How bout signing a waiver when they pick it up stating something about you're not responsible for DOA consoles and the buyer will just have to take it up with Sony because you dont service warranties.

I wouldn't worry about that. The transactions that take place on Craigslist are so informal I doubt whomever you sell it to would even know your name.

[Dhuk]

For all the scalpers out there!!
Breaking News!
PS3 shipments cut. GAmestop can't complete all preorders!!! Woohoo! Ebay stock is going to rise!! already up to around 1600-1700 today after the news, likely to rise more.

Just got called by my local gamestop. Thank god I'm#3. They offered me some free dvd's and games to give up my place in line. I laughed.

Think of all those Preorders that won't be filled, negative feedback anyone? THIS is why selling on ebay beforehand is bad.


Idea regarding non-online/personal arrangements like Craigslist.

How bout signing a waiver when they pick it up stating something about you're not responsible for DOA consoles and the buyer will just have to take it up with Sony because you dont service warranties.

Thats not a bad idea, if I decide to sell my PS3. Honestly, I don't want to lose a huge amount of money to evilbay ($120+ in fees). Plus having PayPal freeze my account.

[H-Town Info]

Think of all those Preorders that won't be filled, negative feedback anyone? THIS is why selling on ebay beforehand is bad.


well, i would made a note to the buyer saying that if for w/e reason sony or gamestop can't fulfill the pre-order that u can a refund or wait until it arrives in your possession. But the former happens, u'll be SOL on the ebay fees

[Lieutenant Dan]

Could I get within $200 of ebay prices if I'd sell locally or on Craigslist?

[encendido5]

I would try to get a gift receipt if anything. I think that would be the best for them to take it to the store and get a replacement, or a refund since there won't be any more for a while.

[JJSP]

As someone that uses UPS every day, use it. Trust me. Confirmed tracking numbers (instead of BS USPS ones), signature tracking, and auto-insurance - use UPS.

[kevzik]

I will be taking pictures of my shit. Shipping boxes, bubble wrap, labels, EVERYTHING. Going to tags the pics with my name and and whatever else. I WILL not be getting fucked! Im talking sig confirmation, insurence all that good stuff. Buyers will have to have high feed back. I am going to let the buyers know in my description that I will be taking EVERY safety step possible. Maybe that will turn off the theifs...

[dark54555]

any thoughts on how 20 gig system pricing might end up?

With the slash to available consoles, the 20 gig ones may do better than anticipated, but since the 60 gig ones are the desired consoles, I really don't know.

[DJ K8E]

If anyone could make a little guide on how to sell a PS3 on eBay, and how much to expect to make from it and such, that would be greatly appreciated. I'm getting a 20 gig but I'm thinking about flipping it, and would like to know how and such.

[Rimmit]

any thoughts on how 20 gig system pricing might end up?

With the slash to available consoles, the 20 gig ones may do better than anticipated, but since the 60 gig ones are the desired consoles, I really don't know.

20gb will likely go for around 1200 I'm betting. They're hitting a little over a 1000 now, and will likely spike to 1500 after launch.

I did end up cancelling my auction, and I'm glad I did. As Ebay prices are more closer to 2000 today, and will totally sky rocket on the first day, and level off there after.

[MadFlava]

Great thread. I'm a first time ebay seller but a long time buyer. Any advice on the best way to sell my PS3 would be great. I have no idea what I should make the opening bid for? 99 cents, $10, $100?

[pop311]

How many days did it take the 360 to die down a TINY bit?

[javeryh]

Damn this is kind of exciting... I'm going to be listing mine as soon as I pick it up - probably on Friday evening. Should I do a 24 hour auction or 3 days? What's the general consensus? Having a PS3 auction end every minute isn't that desirable - I don't want to get lost in the shuffle...

[Rimmit]

How many days did it take the 360 to die down a TINY bit?

Took about 48 hours for prices to slow down, and w/ in 3-4 days it had leveled to around 800, and slowly dropped all the way to 600-550 by xmas. Some spikes here and there due to second shipment, but nothing major.

Also I like to list high, but no matter what you start your listing it, it doesn't matter as people will bid it up. For this a .99 starting listing will be more then enough as it will be bid up fast, it's random, but I believe starting high, gets people inthe mentality that this is expensive and will up bidding just a little. It's not a proven fact, just a philosophy of mine. It costs an extra 3-4 dollars for insertion fees, but I think it's worth it. It works great on toys.

One day is the best way, and a ps3 auctions will be ending couple of seconds NO MATTER WHAT in the first couple of days, and then it will cool.

I promise you though that the best prices will be in the first 48 hours, while the adrenaline is still pumping about the launch and the media is going crazy, after that they will slowly drop off, eventually to around 900 I'm betting right near xmas, as in the 22nd, or the last day for shipping.

[mykevermin]

If anyone could make a little guide on how to sell a PS3 on eBay, and how much to expect to make from it and such, that would be greatly appreciated. I'm getting a 20 gig but I'm thinking about flipping it, and would like to know how and such.

Look around the goddamned thread. Thanks.

[Doom5]

Ebay just closed my listing, even though I met all their requirements. They asked me to send over a copy of my ID, a credit card bill, a signed document stating I have read the Ebay User policy, and documentation of my purchase of the Playstation 3.

What a pain in the ass, I did fax it over to them though. Hopefully they will reinstate my selling ability soon.

[purduealum91]

Just got the call from EBGames. I was #12. Only getting in 6.

This scks @$$!

Also, walmart.com went live with their $1400 bundle which was gone in a few minutes.

[mykevermin]

Ebay just closed my listing, even though I met all their requirements. They asked me to send over a copy of my ID, a credit card bill, a signed document stating I have read the Ebay User policy, and documentation of my purchase of the Playstation 3.

What a pain in the ass, I did fax it over to them though. Hopefully they will reinstate my selling ability soon.

Jesus. Makes me wanna go to Craigslist or my local paper.

[gofishn]

This could end up being quite the fiasco. With the amount of these I expect up on eBay combined with a general lack of eBay knowledge by many of the PS3 profiteers, this could really end up with a lot of people being scammed, both sellers and buyers.

[MadFlava]

Hey anyone know how much the PS3 in box weighs. I would like to get a good idea of how much it will cost to ship it.

[Rimmit]

15 lbs in box I believe is the estimated weight. It will cost a lot to overnight it, depending on zip code.

Soo, this isn't quite breaking news, but could be huge to all the Ebayers out there hoping for multiple systems at launch. FYE Will get 0 preorders from sony. None. My store said sony cut ALL their shipments for the launch. Needless to say, all the ebayers out their who went to every FYE, waaaay back in Dec. just got screwed.

[PINKO]

i think im going to sell a homemade ps3 box

[mykevermin]

15 lbs in box I believe is the estimated weight. It will cost a lot to overnight it, depending on zip code.

Soo, this isn't quite breaking news, but could be huge to all the Ebayers out there hoping for multiple systems at launch. FYE Will get 0 preorders from sony. None. My store said sony cut ALL their shipments for the launch. Needless to say, all the ebayers out their who went to every FYE, waaaay back in Dec. just got screwed.

The system alone is just under 11, so 15 is probably what you should predict your shipping costs around, to be safe.

Sucks for FYE; did they do Sony wrong to get 0 systems, or what?

[Lou-Dawg]

The system alone is just under 11, so 15 is probably what you should predict your shipping costs around, to be safe.

Sucks for FYE; did they do Sony wrong to get 0 systems, or what?

No allocations are being cut left and right. Gamestop's got cut. Amazon is receiving FAR less than they anticipated, Walmart's got cut by about half. I guess smaller regional retailers like FYE just don't have the numbers.

[DJ K8E]

Look around the goddamned thread. Thanks.
I did. Just looking for it in concise, non spread out terms. I haven't ever sold anything on the eBay So how about you quiet the hell down. Probably not going to even go down this road now, considering some of the posts.

[mick16]

Soo, this isn't quite breaking news, but could be huge to all the Ebayers out there hoping for multiple systems at launch. FYE Will get 0 preorders from sony. None. My store said sony cut ALL their shipments for the launch. Needless to say, all the ebayers out their who went to every FYE, waaaay back in Dec. just got screwed.

I know its slightly off topic, but any word on the Wii allocations at FYE? I pre-ordered mine there a couple of months ago and was #2 on the list. I don't think its going to be nearly as hard to find as the PS3, but I'm just wondering if I'm going to need a plan B to score one for my 8 year old (and me!) for X-mas.

[Lieutenant Dan]

How does this look for an ebay ad? Can anyone think of anything else to add or any suggestions to make it more attractive (besides pictures, which I will include)?







This auction is for a PREMIUM (60GB) Sony Playstation 3. The system is brand new, sealed in box, and comes with the original receipt (required for Sony warranty).

The item will be shipped overnight for FREE to the winning bidder. Included in shipping will be (insurance, confirmation, blah blah)

This auction is only available to bidders in the continental United States.

Please email me with any questions you may have regarding this auction, shipping, or the item up for sale.

Bidders with "0" or negative feedback must contact seller prior to bidding on the item. Payment is expected within 24 hours of auction end. Thanks, and happy bidding!

[varock]

How does this look for an ebay ad? Can anyone think of anything else to add or any suggestions to make it more attractive (besides pictures, which I will include)?







This auction is for a PREMIUM (60GB) Sony Playstation 3. The system is brand new, sealed in box, and comes with the original receipt (required for Sony warranty).

The item will be shipped overnight for FREE to the winning bidder. Included in shipping will be (insurance, confirmation, blah blah)

This auction is only available to bidders in the continental United States.

Please email me with any questions you may have regarding this auction, shipping, or the item up for sale.

Bidders with "0" or negative feedback must contact seller prior to bidding on the item. Payment is expected within 24 hours of auction end. Thanks, and happy bidding!I wouldn't include the "blah blah". Your listing should look as legit and professional as possible. Also, an actual photo of the PS3 would help a lot too...the more, the better. A lot of sellers have also been known to attach a piece of paper with their ebay username with the console to further prove they actually have the system.

And I don't think it matters at all what you start the listing at. The prices will skyrocket anyways and I doubt anyone is going to be looking at the original starting price (especially if it's like 0.01) to gauge how much they should actually bid. I sold 3 xbox 360's last year and started all of my auctions at 0.01. I can't remember the exact price they went for but it was as high as any other auction.

*edit* I just realized the "besides pictures" bit, so the only thing I might add is just the contents of the box and exactly what they are getting. A few people were duped last year and ended up buying an empty box thinking it had the actual system inside. Thanks to them, you have to make it very clear what you're selling these days.

[gofishn]

I'd say scratch the overnight shipping. That will really be cutting into your profits. You should probably say you'll ship it UPS ground for free, but will be willing to overnight it for an additional fee.

[Lieutenant Dan]

I was just using the blah blah part as filler for now until I know what I'm actually including with the shipping.

Is standard UPS ground shipping the general consensus on the best way to go? Then upgrading it for a fee?

Anyone else have some tips on this ad that haven't been mentioned yet?

[Rimmit]

I know its slightly off topic, but any word on the Wii allocations at FYE? I pre-ordered mine there a couple of months ago and was #2 on the list. I don't think its going to be nearly as hard to find as the PS3, but I'm just wondering if I'm going to need a plan B to score one for my 8 year old (and me!) for X-mas.

Wii's are good to go. I asked when they called. They'll fulfill all their preorders.

[wwfward]

Does ebay have any requirements once the launch gets under way? Like when you actually have the PS3, got a pic of it, and than sell it on ebay?

[mykevermin]

Not that I'll get one Friday (I'm #11 or 12 in preorders), but has anyone thought about offering a "rebate" ($50 or so) when people post positive feedback? This is, of course, a means of avoding scam buyers or claims of receiving a 15 pound "p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-POWERBOOK!," for example. You get your feedback, offer them the rebate, and then everything is kosher on your end. Could it be that simple?

Perhaps this is a violation of eBay policy?

[Dhuk]

I just realized that all those scalpers who presold their PS3 from EB, and are not getting one might end up losing a chunck of money to eBay fees and to PayPal, if the Buyer has no patience and demands a refund. All he or she has to do is file a complaint about not getting their item, that was stated as guaranteed to them on a certain date (near all auctions said guaranteed). Ha, too bad for the sellers. This will be an interesting turn out. The ball really is in the buyers court.

[Dhuk]

The zero feedback really dosen't matter as long as they have a confirmed and verified PayPal account. Just set your setting up in that fashion. Any thing else will probably end up being a scam. I don't think ebay will allow any thing but Pp?



How does this look for an ebay ad? Can anyone think of anything else to add or any suggestions to make it more attractive (besides pictures, which I will include)?







This auction is for a PREMIUM (60GB) Sony Playstation 3. The system is brand new, sealed in box, and comes with the original receipt (required for Sony warranty).

The item will be shipped overnight for FREE to the winning bidder. Included in shipping will be (insurance, confirmation, blah blah)

This auction is only available to bidders in the continental United States.

Please email me with any questions you may have regarding this auction, shipping, or the item up for sale.

Bidders with "0" or negative feedback must contact seller prior to bidding on the item. Payment is expected within 24 hours of auction end. Thanks, and happy bidding!

[mick16]

Wii's are good to go. I asked when they called. They'll fulfill all their preorders.

Thanks

[Danimal]

This might be a stupid question, but I haven't seen it addressed here yet, so I'll ask anyway. Somebody who has sold a few things before on ebay (which is a few more than me) suggested only accepting a bank check or money order for payment to avoid having a scamming buyer try to get their money back through Paypal after the PS3 has been sent. I can see the logic in that, but I'm also thinking it would turn away a lot of potential buyers who would feel they have no protection from being scammed themselves by an unscrupulous seller without Paypal. Any thoughts on this?

[javeryh]

This might be a stupid question, but I haven't seen it addressed here yet, so I'll ask anyway. Somebody who has sold a few things before on ebay (which is a few more than me) suggested only accepting a bank check or money order for payment to avoid having a scamming buyer try to get their money back through Paypal after the PS3 has been sent. I can see the logic in that, but I'm also thinking it would turn away a lot of potential buyers who would feel they have no protection from being scammed themselves by an unscrupulous seller without Paypal. Any thoughts on this?

Pay attention to your PayPal account. Immediately upon payment transfer the money into your bank account - PayPal can't touch it there. You aren't going to ship until you have the money so I don't see how you could possibly get burned on this. Also, take plenty of pictures of the system, you boxing it up, putting the buyer's address on there, etc. to cover your ass in case a claim is made. I'd also ship via FedEx and require a signature for delivery. I think the worry, if anything, is on the buyer because you could always ship a box of rocks to him.

[Lou-Dawg]

Pay attention to your PayPal account. Immediately upon payment transfer the money into your bank account - PayPal can't touch it there. You aren't going to ship until you have the money so I don't see how you could possibly get burned on this. Also, take plenty of pictures of the system, you boxing it up, putting the buyer's address on there, etc. to cover your ass in case a claim is made. I'd also ship via FedEx and require a signature for delivery. I think the worry, if anything, is on the buyer because you could always ship a box of rocks to him.

This is false. First of all Paypal has been putting a hold on PS3 payments and credits so you don't get your money right away. If the buyer complains, they will just take the money that was on hold.

Second, even if you transfered the money to your bank account, paypal has been known to illegally dip into your bank account, and if that fails, then they WILL send a collection agency to you and try to ruin your credit if you fail to pay. Read all about it at paypalsucks.com

[javeryh]

This is false. First of all Paypal has been putting a hold on PS3 payments and credits so you don't get your money right away. If the buyer complains, they will just take the money that was on hold.

Second, even if you transfered the money to your bank account, paypal has been known to illegally dip into your bank account, and if that fails, then they WILL send a collection agency to you and try to ruin your credit if you fail to pay. Read all about it at paypalsucks.com

What?? I'm not shipping a thing until I have cash in hand. This means going to the bank and withdrawing whatever I sell the PS3 for from my separate bank account set up specifically for Paypal transactions. I'm not going to scam anyone, I'm going to take tons of pictures of everything and if I get a signature then the buyer has accepted the goods and that is that.

[getmyrunon]

What?? I'm not shipping a thing until I have cash in hand. This means going to the bank and withdrawing whatever I sell the PS3 for from my separate bank account set up specifically for Paypal transactions. I'm not going to scam anyone, I'm going to take tons of pictures of everything and if I get a signature then the buyer has accepted the goods and that is that.

Paypal HAS messed with bank accounts in the past. It doesn't matter if you withdraw whatever money was in there, because I'm sure you don't have just 1k to your name.

I would advise everyone to open a second bank account just for PayPal purchases/ebaying. Not that hard, free in most cases, and saves you a lot of hassle.

[javeryh]

Paypal HAS messed with bank accounts in the past. It doesn't matter if you withdraw whatever money was in there, because I'm sure you don't have just 1k to your name.

I would advise everyone to open a second bank account just for PayPal purchases/ebaying. Not that hard, free in most cases, and saves you a lot of hassle.

That's what I did - my paypal bank account is completely separate from my "real" accounts where my money is. If they try to go into my bank account they will find nothing there. Paypal shouldn't be in this to screw over their customers. If I sell my PS3, the buyer pays, I ship it out and someone signs for it then that's it - it's over done finished.

[gofishn]

I'm more sure than ever that all of these things are going on eBay. There's three girls sitting in the classroom behind me talking about camping out for PS3s and how much money they're going to make. Everybody in the lines keeps saying they are buying them to keep, but I swear these people are lying. This is really getting out of control.

[mykevermin]

Not that I'll get one Friday (I'm #11 or 12 in preorders), but has anyone thought about offering a "rebate" ($50 or so) when people post positive feedback? This is, of course, a means of avoding scam buyers or claims of receiving a 15 pound "p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-POWERBOOK!," for example. You get your feedback, offer them the rebate, and then everything is kosher on your end. Could it be that simple?

Perhaps this is a violation of eBay policy?

Same-page bump; anyone know if this is against policy?

[Lou-Dawg]

Same-page bump; anyone know if this is against policy?
It is technically against ebay policy, because you are not allowed to offer money for good feedback, or threaten someone with bad feedback unless they give you a refund (different issue, but similar). You can probably get away with it. It's your auction and unless someone reports you it will go through. There are going to be TOO many auctions for Ebay to stop every one with minor infractions.

I know that personally I am going to break an Ebay policy. Specifically, I am going to NOT sell to anyone with less than 5 feedback or anyone with an account less than a month old. This is against Ebay policy, but they can bite me. I'd rather get ONE bad feedback than lose $1,500 or whatever the PS3 will go for.

EDIT: Here's a link...whether your plan violates the policy or not is debatable: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-manipulation.html

[Dhuk]

That's what I did - my paypal bank account is completely separate from my "real" accounts where my money is. If they try to go into my bank account they will find nothing there. Paypal shouldn't be in this to screw over their customers. If I sell my PS3, the buyer pays, I ship it out and someone signs for it then that's it - it's over done finished.

You and me both, my Paypal account is linked to my other measly 4,000 checking account, I put money aside for "whatever". far away from my other account, where I put my pay stubs.

Yeah, PayPal has been freezing accounts for a while. BUT what bothers me that if the buyer says he did not recive his system, Pp keeps the money for themselves? Theifs.

[Fanboy]

Ebay just closed my listing, even though I met all their requirements. They asked me to send over a copy of my ID, a credit card bill, a signed document stating I have read the Ebay User policy, and documentation of my purchase of the Playstation 3.

What a pain in the ass, I did fax it over to them though. Hopefully they will reinstate my selling ability soon.

They dumped my listing too! I also met all the requirements. Did you send them a WTF? letter before they asked for the corroborating info? I just got a form letter: "Hey, we cancelled your auction! Here's the requirements for selling your PS3. TTFN!".

:bomb:

What I want now is a reinstatement of my auction as-is. After all, launch day is on Friday, so even if I were to create a new auction, the earliest I could have it end is on Saturday (thanks no 1-day auction rule!).

[mykevermin]

It is technically against ebay policy, because you are not allowed to offer money for good feedback, or threaten someone with bad feedback unless they give you a refund (different issue, but similar). You can probably get away with it. It's your auction and unless someone reports you it will go through. There are going to be TOO many auctions for Ebay to stop every one with minor infractions.

I know that personally I am going to break an Ebay policy. Specifically, I am going to NOT sell to anyone with less than 5 feedback or anyone with an account less than a month old. This is against Ebay policy, but they can bite me. I'd rather get ONE bad feedback than lose $1,500 or whatever the PS3 will go for.

EDIT: Here's a link...whether your plan violates the policy or not is debatable: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-manipulation.html

Thanks!

[Indonesia]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/fun.games/11/15/gameconsoles.ebay.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[shipwreck]

That's kind of misleading title. The article is really about how eBay is only allowing users who meet a certain criteria (50 items sold and 98% positive feedback) to auction pre-orders of the console prior to Friday. Seems pretty logical.

[Indonesia]

That's kind of misleading title. The article is really about how eBay is only allowing users who meet a certain criteria (50 items sold and 98% positive feedback) to auction pre-orders of the console prior to Friday. Seems pretty logical.

changed the Title. Hopefully it makes more sense now.

[PhoenixT]

this still makes no sense as its involving preorders only not when you actually have the system in hand. This rule is pretty much null once the system is in peoples hands friday to my understanding unless I misread it.

[javeryh]

this still makes no sense as its involving preorders only not when you actually have the system in hand. This rule is pretty much null once the system is in peoples hands friday to my understanding unless I misread it.

Right. I doubt it is in eBay's best interests to not allow PS3 sales once they are in hand. I can understand the rule regarding preorders though - the GameStop mess has probably caused a lot of canceled bids.

[Kayden]

Isn't this the same thing we've already known for about 2 weeks?

[BULL_Ship]

I say only have money order theres no way they can get a charge back that way.

[Lou-Dawg]

I say only have money order theres no way they can get a charge back that way.

The only problem with Money Orders is that people lie and say they have sent them but you never receive them. Has happened to me more than once. This especially happens if they bid up an auction high, then see that they could have gotten the item for less. Thats why I require immediate payment through paypal :bomb:

[BULL_Ship]

The only problem with Money Orders is that people lie and say they have sent them but you never receive them. Has happened to me more than once. This especially happens if they bid up an auction high, then see that they could have gotten the item for less. Thats why I require immediate payment through paypal :bomb:

Good point damn.

[cheapfrag]

What?? I'm not shipping a thing until I have cash in hand. This means going to the bank and withdrawing whatever I sell the PS3 for from my separate bank account set up specifically for Paypal transactions. I'm not going to scam anyone, I'm going to take tons of pictures of everything and if I get a signature then the buyer has accepted the goods and that is that.
When I went to transfer my PayPal balance to my checking account, PayPal said it takes 3-4 days for processing. Do you intend to wait until the transfer is completed before you mail?

[javeryh]

When I went to transfer my PayPal balance to my checking account, PayPal said it takes 3-4 days for processing. Do you intend to wait until the transfer is completed before you mail?

If that's the case then yes. If it costs me a few dollars because people won't want to wait so be it but I do plan on disclosing this in the auction and I will ship FedEx for next day delivery once the money is in hand.

[cheapfrag]

If that's the case then yes. If it costs me a few dollars because people won't want to wait so be it but I do plan on disclosing this in the auction and I will ship FedEx for next day delivery once the money is in hand.
How much is Fedex next day delivery? I just used their calculator - using 15 lbs, decared value of $2000 and box dimensions of 2ftx2ftx2ft and overnight was $292.

[javeryh]

How much is Fedex next day delivery? I just used their calculator - using 15 lbs, decared value of $2000 and box dimensions of 2ftx2ftx2ft and overnight was $292.

What? Um, no thanks then. I ship boxes of crap from work all the time that weigh a lot more than that... I wonder if the costs are the same or if we get a discount or something...

[bobbyblane]

Does anyone know if it will be possible to list on half.com on launch day? Also, are there more security risks listing there instead of Ebay?

[Danimal]

The only problem with Money Orders is that people lie and say they have sent them but you never receive them. Has happened to me more than once. This especially happens if they bid up an auction high, then see that they could have gotten the item for less. Thats why I require immediate payment through paypal :bomb:
This was another worry that I had about bank checks or money orders. My first thought was worrying that it would look like a red flag to potential buyers, especially considering I have no feedback as a seller (I think I have around 30, all positive, as a buyer) I mean, I know I'm not going to scam them or ship them a box of rocks, but I guess if I were on the other end of this, I'd much rather pay in a way that gives me some recourse if I get screwed.

So is the general consesus among people who have sold a lot on ebay that money orders are a bad plan for selling PS3s on ebay, and Paypal, for all it's possible pitfalls, is the only way to go?

[cheapfrag]

What? Um, no thanks then. I ship boxes of crap from work all the time that weigh a lot more than that... I wonder if the costs are the same or if we get a discount or something...
First time I've ever gone to the Fedex web site to check on fees, so I could have done something wrong. I also chose "Residential Delivery". I also assumed shipping it across the country (from NJ to CA). I think I'm going to go with USPS.

[io]

I haven't really been following the ebay sales of these things, but I just looked and I think sellers may end up being disappointed. It looks like the current set of preorders (ending now - Weds evening) are going for $1000-$1200. Still a profit, to be sure, but not the "Two Grand" I heard some line sitter at the Rockville, MD claim he was going to get for his 3 days of camping out :D.

It will only get worse (for sellers) when ebay gets flooded with them. On the flip side, there will be many people who expect to get this Friday who will be sorely disappointed (with Sony cutting the allocation even further) so there may be many more buyers then too.

I just have no idea how this is going to play out, and I've been selling stuff on ebay for years (though never such a high-priced or hot item). I planned on selling mine, but I may wait a week or two to let the initial glut disappear. Even if I sell it for $600 I'll still be making a profit (though I would have just kept it for that price) as I used trade-in credit to buy it. My hope was to make double, then pick up a post-launch (and hopefully bug-fixed) PS3 at Costco using the profit from this sale. So my expectations are low ($1200) and I can go much lower due to my actual cost for the system being around $300. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised though, and get a high bid, an honest buyer, and hassle-free shipping :lol:.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Since we're getting closer to launch, are there any more ideas on when's the perfect time to sell? Right away, a week or so later, or closer to Christmas? Right now I'm thinking that people who waited until the last minute and are buying one right before Christmas would be likely to pay the most and be a more reliable buyer.

[randy5554]

Judging from last year's Xbox 360 launch, I think the safest best is to put up the auction on Friday. You might make a bit more closer to Christmas depending on shipping schedules, but Friday should be pretty much a guaranteed payday.

[ofacto]

How much is Fedex next day delivery? I just used their calculator - using 15 lbs, decared value of $2000 and box dimensions of 2ftx2ftx2ft and overnight was $292.

That costs seems a little high. FedEX also takes in account the dimentions of packages, once you go over a certain limit, the cost of shipping rises. I don't think the PS3 will require a box that big.

Also I think the declared value should only be what you paid for the product (ie $600 + tax), FedEX's liability is only for the replacement cost of the item, not the inflated ebay price. You pay extra for any declared value over $100 so I would not waste money declaring anything over the actual retail price.

You also get a 15% discount on Express shipments if you use the website to process the shipment and its free to sign up for an account.

It should only cost about $80 to ship a PS3 using standard FedEX overnight.

[animemaniac14]

why is it that i posted my ps3 on ebay and when i try to do a search for it...it doesn't appear on any search pages? it's been up for 2 hours now yet, i'm the only one who has looked at it...? WTF?! somebody help me out please!

[dserafin1986]

What's the start time on the auction? How did you list it?

[mr ryles]

Since we're getting closer to launch, are there any more ideas on when's the perfect time to sell? Right away, a week or so later, or closer to Christmas? Right now I'm thinking that people who waited until the last minute and are buying one right before Christmas would be likely to pay the most and be a more reliable buyer.

not sure where but I read somewhere that sony expects to ship another 400,000 consoles by the end of 2006, so I would sell this the day you get it as more will be available come christmas time.

*edit*

I think I read that in my newest EGM.

[io]

why is it that i posted my ps3 on ebay and when i try to do a search for it...it doesn't appear on any search pages? it's been up for 2 hours now yet, i'm the only one who has looked at it...? WTF?! somebody help me out please!

Sometimes things don't show up for a while - but of course, make sure you spelled everything correctly just to be safe :D.

As for no one else looking at it - there are SO MANY PS3 auctions up right now that you most likely won't get many looks until the last couple of hours (so don't panic if it stays low until near the end too).

One of the ones I was watching earlier was only at $900 (with free shipping) with 30 minutes left but it got another bid with about 10 minutes left that lifted it to $1100. I didn't watch it after that but it is likely it went up even more.

Still, like I said, most were ending around $1200-$1300 max, with a few outliers.

I intend to start mine at 99 cents, so I will make sure I don't look for the first 1/2 of the time because it will probably be a bit scary for a while :D. But unlike the early days of ebay, when the site would go down for several hours at a time very frequently and your auctions would end with some ridiculously low bid as a result, it should be fairly safe to do so now.

[Reality's Fringe]

not sure where but I read somewhere that sony expects to ship another 400,000 consoles by the end of 2006, so I would sell this the day you get it as more will be available come christmas time.

*edit*

I think I read that in my newest EGM.

Sony says a lot of things. Kind of like how they expected to ship a million before launch, then it was no Europe launch, then it was 400,00 for NA and 100,000 for JP, now it's 200,000 for NA and 88,000 for Japan.

Remember,that specific EGM was printed and mailed long before the new allocation cuts.

[mick16]

My ebay auction ended at over $2,550 and the guy paid within an hour. Freaking unbelieveable that you can make that kind of money on a stupid game console which you'll be able to pick up in 6 months for list price.

Assuming my confirmed and reserved PS3 at GameStop doesn't disappear between now and Friday, I'm a happy man.

[sonicbooom]

Question:

If you have a buyer that receives the ps3 and complains that it is glitching, what should you say to them? What kind of disclaimer should you put in your auction/BIN sale? Obviously, you should put "All sales are final, no refunds allowed", but what else could you say?

[jely]

not sure where but I read somewhere that sony expects to ship another 400,000 consoles by the end of 2006, so I would sell this the day you get it as more will be available come christmas time.

*edit*

I think I read that in my newest EGM.

Keep in mind, that magazine was written and sent to press well before the PS3 launch shipment numbers were cut at least 40% this week.

[jely]

Question:

If you have a buyer that receives the ps3 and complains that it is glitching, what should you say to them? What kind of disclaimer should you put in your auction/BIN sale? Obviously, you should put "All sales are final, no refunds allowed", but what else could you say?

you could always mention that the item is covered by manufacturer's warranty - that should cover things.

[zewone]

My ebay auction ended at over $2,000 and the guy paid within an hour. Freaking unbelieveable that you can make that kind of money on a stupid game console which you'll be able to pick up in 6 months for list price.

Assuming my confirmed and reserved PS3 at GameStop doesn't disappear between now and Friday, I'm a happy man.
Congrats dude! Hope shit goes well for you.

I'll be happy with mine going over $1500, $2000 would be :drool: .

[soonerdoc]

I haven't really been following the ebay sales of these things, but I just looked and I think sellers may end up being disappointed. It looks like the current set of preorders (ending now - Weds evening) are going for $1000-$1200. Still a profit, to be sure, but not the "Two Grand" I heard some line sitter at the Rockville, MD claim he was going to get for his 3 days of camping out :D.

It will only get worse (for sellers) when ebay gets flooded with them. On the flip side, there will be many people who expect to get this Friday who will be sorely disappointed (with Sony cutting the allocation even further) so there may be many more buyers then too.

I just have no idea how this is going to play out, and I've been selling stuff on ebay for years (though never such a high-priced or hot item). I planned on selling mine, but I may wait a week or two to let the initial glut disappear. Even if I sell it for $600 I'll still be making a profit (though I would have just kept it for that price) as I used trade-in credit to buy it. My hope was to make double, then pick up a post-launch (and hopefully bug-fixed) PS3 at Costco using the profit from this sale. So my expectations are low ($1200) and I can go much lower due to my actual cost for the system being around $300. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised though, and get a high bid, an honest buyer, and hassle-free shipping :lol:.


io,

i am not sure what you are looking at, but i have some ps3 20GB preorders on my watch list(9 to be exact). all for american versions to ship nov 17. they all ended today and range in price from 1125.00 up to 2125.00. average around $1500 for the 20 gig version !!! are you sure you are not looking at any of the japanese models?

[sonicbooom]

lol..

I called gamestop yesterday and they said I wouldn't be able to get a preorder since I'm number 9 and they are only getting 8.

Gamestop called earlier today around 3pm and told me that I had a preorder available to pick up on Friday.

I get all excited and I'm shaky throughout the rest of the day.

Just now, I read through this entire thread. Then I wrote out how I'm going to make my eBay BIN description and settings.

Then I checked my phone and noticed that Gamestop called. They left a voice mail, and I check it to hear the store manager's message that they made a mistake and that I'd have to wait until next month.

Now I'm just sad. At least I don't have to deal with picking the ps3, worrying about being scammed, and any other pressure that I felt for the past 6 hours.

What a day.

[animemaniac14]

ya if mine goes over $2000 i will be FRIKIN AMAZED! and i will honestly throw that money in the bank and hold on to it!

and im selling the 60 GB ps3 too...so im REALLY hoping...though right now its weird cuz the damn thing has been on ebay for about 6 hours now and it has STILL not been posted on the searches...frikin ebay...

and i wonder if EB is still gonna honor my pre-order? i was 3rd in line...tho im not sure if either of the EB employees decided to be assholes and order one for themselves...gah

[io]

io,

i am not sure what you are looking at, but i have some ps3 20GB preorders on my watch list(9 to be exact). all for american versions to ship nov 17. they all ended today and range in price from 1125.00 up to 2125.00. average around $1500 for the 20 gig version !!! are you sure you are not looking at any of the japanese models?

I just looked again at completed ones - all the ones I was looking at must have bumped up in the very last minutes because most are around $1500 now. Still, to expect $2000 is a bit too much (as a guy interviewed for TV at one of the Best Buy lines said he would get for it).

Here are a few "bad" ones though (these are all US or Canada preorders shipping on the 17th):

$1054 for 60 GB with free shipping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-System-Premium-60gb-Preorder-Bundle-PS3_W0QQitemZ150056624043QQihZ005QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$1381 for a 60 GB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60GB-preorder-pre-order_W0QQitemZ270052466828QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$1225 for a 60 GB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60gig-PreOrder-Shipped-Nov19-Next-Day-Air_W0QQitemZ290048206431QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Another $1225:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-Premium-60GB-Preorder-System_W0QQitemZ320045255815QQihZ011QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$1195 for a 60GB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-PREORDER-PRESALE-EB_W0QQitemZ280047285353QQihZ018QQcategoryZ62054QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Of course, there are many more that ended around $1500-$1600 it seems... The first one there really got screwed though compared to the rest.

Then there's the flip side.

This one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ320047707080QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
got $2127 from a fairly low feedback seller. I'm not sure what he means by offering "Buyer Protection".

Here's another high one from a low feedback seller, this one $2550!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-Preorder-NO-RESERVE-Pre-order_W0QQitemZ120051701828QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

One thing I'm learning from these auctions - don't bother bundling games and especially don't bother with free shipping. It doesn't seem to help with higher bids. It is pretty insane that the market is that inefficient that some get $1100 while others end $1000 or more higher! Just luck I guess...

[NamPaehc]

Well in about 24 hours we should see a new wave of systems popping up on there with quick digital camera pictures.

[JJSP]

Question - should I sell mine launch weekend or wait till December? Any suggestions?

[io]

Question - should I sell mine launch weekend or wait till December? Any suggestions?

Honestly, we have no idea - we all keep asking the same question.

:rofl:

[arthurRWD]

i say sell now, with all the publicity it's getting right now, prices are gonna be pretty stinkin' high right now, better strike while the iron is hot

[javeryh]

I just looked again at completed ones - all the ones I was looking at must have bumped up in the very last minutes because most are around $1500 now. Still, to expect $2000 is a bit too much (as a guy interviewed for TV at one of the Best Buy lines said he would get for it).

Here are a few "bad" ones though (these are all US or Canada preorders shipping on the 17th):

$1054 for 60 GB with free shipping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-System-Premium-60gb-Preorder-Bundle-PS3_W0QQitemZ150056624043QQihZ005QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$1381 for a 60 GB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60GB-preorder-pre-order_W0QQitemZ270052466828QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$1225 for a 60 GB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60gig-PreOrder-Shipped-Nov19-Next-Day-Air_W0QQitemZ290048206431QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Another $1225:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-Premium-60GB-Preorder-System_W0QQitemZ320045255815QQihZ011QQcategoryZ620 54QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$1195 for a 60GB:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-PREORDER-PRESALE-EB_W0QQitemZ280047285353QQihZ018QQcategoryZ62054QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Of course, there are many more that ended around $1500-$1600 it seems... The first one there really got screwed though compared to the rest.

Then there's the flip side.

This one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ320047707080QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
got $2127 from a fairly low feedback seller. I'm not sure what he means by offering "Buyer Protection".

Here's another high one from a low feedback seller, this one $2550!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-Preorder-NO-RESERVE-Pre-order_W0QQitemZ120051701828QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6205 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

One thing I'm learning from these auctions - don't bother bundling games and especially don't bother with free shipping. It doesn't seem to help with higher bids. It is pretty insane that the market is that inefficient that some get $1100 while others end $1000 or more higher! Just luck I guess...

Wow. The low end sales are getting $1,200! That's all I really want to sell it for (enough to cover the cost of the system in 6 months). I'm going to do a $2,000 BIN and see what happens. You never know!

[mykevermin]

Wow. The low end sales are getting $1,200! That's all I really want to sell it for (enough to cover the cost of the system in 6 months). I'm going to do a $2,000 BIN and see what happens. You never know!

What do you plan on starting the sale at? BIN are never useful if they are coupled with a low starting price.

[animemaniac14]

ya selling it now would DEFINITELY be the best idea...but i think people are going to be A LOT more insane when someone finds out that their friend got a PS3 and so they're gonna go beg to mommy and daddy to buy them a PS3 no matter what the cost...and hopefully by monday people are going to literally go frikin INSANE with buying PS3 for $2000+....wishful thinking here....

SWEET!!!! AND I JUST GOT MY FIRST BID!!!! at $24.99 with 4 days and 8 hours left to go :-D

[chrishicks]

nothing to say really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCj-ZPN0yxk&eurl=

[H-Town Info]

yes sell now. i would take it as a safe bet

[gofishn]

nothing to say really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCj-ZPN0yxk&eurl=

This is really bringing out the worst in people. It's going to get crazy tonight and tomorrow morning.

[Lieutenant Dan]

I'm pretty sure that at the end of that clip they said the target would only be getting 8 units.

5 units x $1400 proftit = $7000

50 homeless guys x $100 each = $5000

So those douchebags will be making around $2000 minus all the hastle and U-haul costs. They would have made out better if they waited in line themselves.

[cheapfrag]

OK so one PS3 is closing soon for $2550!!!!!!!!!! EDIT - sold for $2650 with 2 games and extra controller.

EDIT2: Another just sold for $3000 with nothing else.

[sonicbooom]

Except to see this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-System-Console-Premium-60GB_W0QQitemZ110055209362QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Scammer, of course.

[animemaniac14]

Except to see this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-System-Console-Premium-60GB_W0QQitemZ110055209362QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Scammer, of course.

HOLY SHIT! IS THAT REALLY HOW MUCH HE SOLD THAT DAMN THING FOR?!!!!!!!

[dpatel]

nothing to say really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCj-ZPN0yxk&eurl=

wow, that is terrible.

[screwkick]

nothing to say really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCj-ZPN0yxk&eurl=

This world is in deep trouble. Waiting for the apocolypse any time now.

[Ma12kez]

wow, that is terrible.Man, that's messed up. Funny thing is the store only had 8 units in-stock.

[zewone]

Do you have to have 50+ feedback to sell a PS3 at all, or just before they launch?

[Rimmit]

Ebay is hitting 3000+ consistently lately, WITH reliable bidders. I saw one for 3,500 with a bidder w/ hundreds of feedback. This is the real deal people. People are willing to pay anything.

Thank god I got my preorder in, and I"ll have it at midnight from my EB! :)

[javeryh]

Do you have to have 50+ feedback to sell a PS3 at all, or just before they launch?

Just before launch. Once the item is in hand you can sell it without meeting their requirements.

[cheapfrag]

My EB will not be open at midnight, although the clerk will be coming it early ~9:30 AM for the PS3 Pre-order folks.

I think I'm going to ship mine via USPS Priority Mail, Registered Mail with Signature Confirmation with an insured value of $2000 (or whatever the final bid is). It appears (based upon the USPS Postage Calculator) for larger insurance $, Registered Mail is cheaper than just buying Insurance.

[gofishn]

Ebay is hitting 3000+ consistently lately, WITH reliable bidders. I saw one for 3,500 with a bidder w/ hundreds of feedback. This is the real deal people. People are willing to pay anything.

Thank god I got my preorder in, and I"ll have it at midnight from my EB! :)

I hope you sold yours already then. When theres 30-50 times the amount that are on there now I can't say I see the profit potential being nearly as good. Good luck though, I wish I would've been able to get a preorder.

[Weedy649]

My gamestop informed me i would be getting my preorder, so ill be there tomorrow to pick it up before putting it on ebay. I plan to take as many pictures as possible then putting it on ebay.

I have my hopes up right now so hopefully everything goes good

[getmyrunon]

Hahahahahaha....http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[chrishicks]

Hahahahahaha....http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I was watching this one too. this will be a very common thing starting tomorrow. I accidentily came across some forum doing a google search and there was a whole plan in place with a ton of people who are going to try to do this with every auction they can. I wish I could find it again because they were pretty funny talking about it.

[Kendro]

Fuck this. Reading this thread with all the headaches just doesn't seem worth it. I was contemplating getting a PS3 to sell on eBay with the hopes that it would cover my costs to get a PS3 when MGS4 and FFXIII release next year. Shit almost doesn't seem worth it.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Fuck this. Reading this thread with all the headaches just doesn't seem worth it. I was contemplating getting a PS3 to sell on eBay with the hopes that it would cover my costs to get a PS3 when MGS4 and FFXIII release next year. Shit almost doesn't seem worth it.

It would be near impossible to get one now anyway. So really, there wasn't a decision to make.

[Kendro]

Dan, I had low expectations of snagging one via 1-Click through Amazon tomorrow morning at 8 AM or through Costco.com tomorrow at 8 AM (I am a member).

[mr ryles]

I am hoping to just show up an hour or so before my wal-mart opens to get one. Last year me and my friend waited out from midnight until they opened at 7AM. No one else showed up until 6:30AM.

So I am confident I can show up around 5:30 or 6 and still get one easily without hassle. I may take a little drive by though around 3AM just to make sure.

[tayaf69]

serious question...Once we have the PS3s in possession, are we still limited to selling one? What if I have more?

EDIT: Nevermind, talked to an ebay rep and they answered my question. We can sell unlimited PS3s.

[mick16]

Some advice to anybody that has put up or is going to put up an auction:

#1. Require your bidders to PayPal Members. Its much tougher to set up a fake PayPal account (although still not impossible) as it goes through your bank account.

#2. Block negative bidders from bidding on your items

#3. Watch your auction and immediately cancel and block anybody that bids with a zero rating, negative feedback, etc.

[tayaf69]

Some advice to anybody that has put up or is going to put up an auction:

#1. Require your bidders to PayPal Members. Its much tougher to set up a fake PayPal account (although still not impossible) as it goes through your bank account.

#2. Block negative bidders from bidding on your items

#3. Watch your auction and immediately cancel and block anybody that bids with a zero rating, negative feedback, etc.
I would say the best thing is to require immediate payment, and at the same time have a limit on paypal to only accept verified users. This is the best way in my opinion and I never get burned.

[dpatel]

Anyone know the dimensions and weight of the PS3? I am trying to calculate shipping costs via UPS.com. Wondering if I should offer FREE overnight shipping.

[gofishn]

Watch your auction carefully as well. Fake accounts will be springing up like mad to overbid your bidders and you'll never see a dime. I'd cancel anybody with 0 feedback immediately, and be extremely skeptical of anybody with less than 10.

[dpatel]

You think this is a good/bad idea?:

If bidding reaches $1,100, a $100 Best Buy Gift Card will be included.
If bidding reaches $1,200, a FREE PS3 Game will be included (Subject to availability) [Plus the $100 Gift Card]
If bidding reaches $1,500, FREE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING! [Plus the $100 Gift Card and Free PS3 Game]

The $1,500 figure might scare initial bidders away. (THis is a 20GB PS3 by the way).

[Reality's Fringe]

You're going to get that much without the bonuses.

[randy5554]

You think this is a good/bad idea?:

If bidding reaches $1,100, a $100 Best Buy Gift Card will be included.
If bidding reaches $1,200, a FREE PS3 Game will be included (Subject to availability) [Plus the $100 Gift Card]
If bidding reaches $1,500, FREE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING! [Plus the $100 Gift Card and Free PS3 Game]

The $1,500 figure might scare initial bidders away. (THis is a 20GB PS3 by the way).
I honestly don't think that will make much of a difference. Probably not worth it on your end.

[animemaniac14]

i have my auction ending on monday...does anybody think that the bidding will still be VERY high...or will it be even higher than it will be on launch day?

My auctions already at $710 with 3 days and like 23 hours left O_o

[dpatel]

I honestly don't think that will make much of a difference. Probably not worth it on your end.

Yea, you are probably right.

[javeryh]

Some advice to anybody that has put up or is going to put up an auction:

#1. Require your bidders to PayPal Members. Its much tougher to set up a fake PayPal account (although still not impossible) as it goes through your bank account.

#2. Block negative bidders from bidding on your items

#3. Watch your auction and immediately cancel and block anybody that bids with a zero rating, negative feedback, etc.

How do you block negative bidders and cancel/block anybody that bids with a zero rating? Is this done by paying attention to the auction or can you prescreen these people?

[javeryh]

I was watching this one too. this will be a very common thing starting tomorrow. I accidentily came across some forum doing a google search and there was a whole plan in place with a ton of people who are going to try to do this with every auction they can. I wish I could find it again because they were pretty funny talking about it.

Why? What is the point of this?

[Rimmit]

TO ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS PUTTING UP AN AUCTION PLEASE READ AS I WILL ONLY POST THIS ONCE!!

THE SINGLE BEST TIME TO END YOUR AUCTION IS AS CLOSE TO RELEASE AS POSSIBLE. PERIOD.

Based on my experience w/ tickle me elmos, 360's, and now the PS3. All of these items WILL FETCH THE HIGHEST PRICE, the first day. This is a fact. Early adopters, christmas shoppers, will push it to it's highest, after that IT WILL SLOWLY DROP DOWN.

First day for 360's, the were fetching as high as 2k-3k, after that it leveled down to 800, after about 3 days. DO NOT WAIT TILL MONDAY TO END YOUR AUCTION!! That is a BAD IDEA YOU WILL LOSE TONS OF MONEY.

Everyone out there believes, people will panic, prices will go up. WRONG! Demand only lessens, and Supplies go up. People slowly either a) become apathetic and just quit trying to get one, b) decide to wait on second shipment, c) find alternative presents, d) do get one some how or another.

Either way Demand WILL drop, and Supply WILL go up, and there will NOT be a panic that will drive the price up as christmas gets closer. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I've been ebaying for 7 years, it's the SAME thing EVERYTIME. The belief that prices will rise IS WRONG. Esp. as christmas gets closer, many parents just buy other presents, esp. w/ other options like the 360 and wii, and tell their kids they just have to wait.

SO DO NOT PUT IT ON A 3 DAY AUCTION!!

[animemaniac14]

TO ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS PUTTING UP AN AUCTION PLEASE READ AS I WILL ONLY POST THIS ONCE!!

THE SINGLE BEST TIME TO END YOUR AUCTION IS AS CLOSE TO RELEASE AS POSSIBLE. PERIOD.

Based on my experience w/ tickle me elmos, 360's, and now the PS3. All of these items WILL FETCH THE HIGHEST PRICE, the first day. This is a fact. Early adopters, christmas shoppers, will push it to it's highest, after that IT WILL SLOWLY DROP DOWN.

First day for 360's, the were fetching as high as 2k-3k, after that it leveled down to 800, after about 3 days. DO NOT WAIT TILL MONDAY TO END YOUR AUCTION!! That is a BAD IDEA YOU WILL LOSE TONS OF MONEY.

Everyone out there believes, people will panic, prices will go up. WRONG! Demand only lessens, and Supplies go up. People slowly either a) become apathetic and just quit trying to get one, b) decide to wait on second shipment, c) find alternative presents, d) do get one some how or another.

Either way Demand WILL drop, and Supply WILL go up, and there will NOT be a panic that will drive the price up as christmas gets closer. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I've been ebaying for 7 years, it's the SAME thing EVERYTIME. The belief that prices will rise IS WRONG. Esp. as christmas gets closer, many parents just buy other presents, esp. w/ other options like the 360 and wii, and tell their kids they just have to wait.

SO DO NOT PUT IT ON A 3 DAY AUCTION!!

how long should i wait to post the auction if i have a pre-order i wanna post? im gonna set it to one day but i know ebay doesn't allow 1 day auctions for pre-orders...or since it comes out at midnight...should i just post it then? somebody help please :(

[Rimmit]

how long should i wait to post the auction if i have a pre-order i wanna post? im gonna set it to one day but i know ebay doesn't allow 1 day auctions for pre-orders...or since it comes out at midnight...should i just post it then? somebody help please :(

Just post it now, chances of ebay catching it are negligible. They stopped doing that already. Worst case scenario, post two, and just cancel the other auction later if you sell this one. To cancel the auction, you have to cancel all the bids before 12hours end and then end it. What you can do to prevent bidders is list it real high, and change the auction starting price as it gets closer.

[animemaniac14]

Just post it now, chances of ebay catching it are negligible. They stopped doing that already. Worst case scenario, post two, and just cancel the other auction later if you sell this one. To cancel the auction, you have to cancel all the bids before 12hours end and then end it. What you can do to prevent bidders is list it real high, and change the auction starting price as it gets closer.

Well actually i've already got one posted...and its a pre-order but its got 3 days and 22 hours left...and i wanna end it and change it to a one day...think it would be smart to do this and just post the 1 day auction now?

[jtkelly86]

I'm pretty disappointed with everyone waiting in line for the PS3, it really comes as one of the biggest downfalls of the videogame industry. What the heck happened to people buying videogame systems to have fun? What is with everyone's obsession with making a quick dollar? Sure, you may argue that Sony is greedy by pricing their console at such a high price, but it just isn't right to me for people to wait in line and do this.
Let me get this clear, every single one of you who is reselling the ps3 at a high price is doing a disservice to the gamers everywhere. I didn't think it would get crazier than the 360 last year, but all the selfish people out there have outdone themselves. If you think that the console shortages are bad now, imagine what it's going to be like when the next generation comes in about 4-5 years; we haven't seen anything yet, it's only going to get worse.

And to those who show no dignity and actually buy from these price gougers, you really should have your head checked because you are just contributing to the problem. If you really want a PS3 and you have no chance of getting one at retail price tomorrow, wait three months. If you are faced with purchasing a bundle, wait three months, screw over the people that are trying to make a quick buck off of your desperation. If you spare these price gougers nothing, then they will change their ways. It is just disgusting to me that I've seen friends wanting to make a quick buck off their other friends by selling their PS3 at a high cost. Where did the love go? There are such greater things in the world that people should worry about than a stupid video game console yet people don't see it, all they see is dollar signs. It truly disgusts me. I waited a year before I bought the 360 because I didn't want to deal with all the launch defects and insanity, and I'm glad that I did. Keep in mind, usually first-run consoles are the buggiest, and you're likely to end up with a brick in a shorter time span than if you buy a later model.

To all of you gamers that are buying the PS3 tomorrow for the sake of gaming and/or HD movies, I commend you, I'm just sorry that you probably won't find many people to play with online. I'd also reccommend pepper spray to fend off the scumbags that are probably going to be hiding under your car tonight.

I wish the best to those that are in it for their love of gaming, not those that are victims of their own avarice.

[Rimmit]

Well actually i've already got one posted...and its a pre-order but its got 3 days and 22 hours left...and i wanna end it and change it to a one day...think it would be smart to do this and just post the 1 day auction now?

If there are no bids you can just convert it to a 1 day.

[Rimmit]

I'm pretty disappointed with everyone waiting in line for the PS3, it really comes as one of the biggest downfalls of the videogame industry. What the heck happened to people buying videogame systems to have fun? What is with everyone's obsession with making a quick dollar? Sure, you may argue that Sony is greedy by pricing their console at such a high price, but it just isn't right to me for people to wait in line and do this.
Let me get this clear, every single one of you who is reselling the ps3 at a high price is doing a disservice to the gamers everywhere. I didn't think it would get crazier than the 360 last year, but all the selfish people out there have outdone themselves. If you think that the console shortages are bad now, imagine what it's going to be like when the next generation comes in about 4-5 years; we haven't seen anything yet, it's only going to get worse.

And to those who show no dignity and actually buy from these price gougers, you really should have your head checked because you are just contributing to the problem. If you really want a PS3 and you have no chance of getting one at retail price tomorrow, wait three months. If you are faced with purchasing a bundle, wait three months, screw over the people that are trying to make a quick buck off of your desperation. If you spare these price gougers nothing, then they will change their ways. It is just disgusting to me that I've seen friends wanting to make a quick buck off their other friends by selling their PS3 at a high cost. Where did the love go? There are such greater things in the world that people should worry about than a stupid video game console yet people don't see it, all they see is dollar signs. It truly disgusts me. I waited a year before I bought the 360 because I didn't want to deal with all the launch defects and insanity, and I'm glad that I did. Keep in mind, usually first-run consoles are the buggiest, and you're likely to end up with a brick in a shorter time span than if you buy a later model.

To all of you gamers that are buying the PS3 tomorrow for the sake of gaming and/or HD movies, I commend you, I'm just sorry that you probably won't find many people to play with online. I'd also reccommend pepper spray to fend off the scumbags that are probably going to be hiding under your car tonight.

I wish the best to those that are in it for their love of gaming, not those that are victims of their own avarice.

Shut the fuck up. This is not an ebay ethics thread, this is thread where ebayers help ebayers, so get the hell out. I'm fucking fed up w/ people like you, who are holier then though.

[animemaniac14]

There ARE bids tho...like 11 of them :( so im thinkin of just ending it and posting another one for 1 day auction! think this is smart?

[mick16]

How do you block negative bidders and cancel/block anybody that bids with a zero rating? Is this done by paying attention to the auction or can you prescreen these people?

This tells you how to set buyer requirements to block bidders with negative ratings.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/buyer-requirements.html

To cancel bids, just pay attention to your auction bidders and zap zero or fishy bidders ASAP via this page:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CancelBidShow

I cancel the bids and then add them to my block bidder list just to be safe.

[javeryh]

I'm pretty disappointed with everyone waiting in line for the PS3, it really comes as one of the biggest downfalls of the videogame industry. What the heck happened to people buying videogame systems to have fun? What is with everyone's obsession with making a quick dollar? Sure, you may argue that Sony is greedy by pricing their console at such a high price, but it just isn't right to me for people to wait in line and do this.
Let me get this clear, every single one of you who is reselling the ps3 at a high price is doing a disservice to the gamers everywhere. I didn't think it would get crazier than the 360 last year, but all the selfish people out there have outdone themselves. If you think that the console shortages are bad now, imagine what it's going to be like when the next generation comes in about 4-5 years; we haven't seen anything yet, it's only going to get worse.

And to those who show no dignity and actually buy from these price gougers, you really should have your head checked because you are just contributing to the problem. If you really want a PS3 and you have no chance of getting one at retail price tomorrow, wait three months. If you are faced with purchasing a bundle, wait three months, screw over the people that are trying to make a quick buck off of your desperation. If you spare these price gougers nothing, then they will change their ways. It is just disgusting to me that I've seen friends wanting to make a quick buck off their other friends by selling their PS3 at a high cost. Where did the love go? There are such greater things in the world that people should worry about than a stupid video game console yet people don't see it, all they see is dollar signs. It truly disgusts me. I waited a year before I bought the 360 because I didn't want to deal with all the launch defects and insanity, and I'm glad that I did. Keep in mind, usually first-run consoles are the buggiest, and you're likely to end up with a brick in a shorter time span than if you buy a later model.

To all of you gamers that are buying the PS3 tomorrow for the sake of gaming and/or HD movies, I commend you, I'm just sorry that you probably won't find many people to play with online. I'd also reccommend pepper spray to fend off the scumbags that are probably going to be hiding under your car tonight.

I wish the best to those that are in it for their love of gaming, not those that are victims of their own avarice.

This is hilarious. Yeah, I should turn down 2 grand so some douche I don't know can play videogames tomorrow. Thanks for the laugh. :rofl:

[Kendro]

This tells you how to set buyer requirements to block bidders with negative ratings.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/buyer-requirements.html

To cancel bids, just pay attention to your auction bidders and zap zero or fishy bidders ASAP via this page:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?CancelBidShow

I cancel the bids and then add them to my block bidder list just to be safe.
Stupid question, but it is "legal" to cancel a bid for any reason correct? Like can you cancel a bid just because the person has the word "gravy" in his username?

Just wondering if as a seller, there is some "anti-discrimination" policy where you aren't allowed to not accept a bid for whatever reason.

[jtkelly86]

Everyone that laughs at what I said obviously missed my point.

[onikage]

Stupid question, but it is "legal" to cancel a bid for any reason correct? Like can you cancel a bid just because the person has the word "gravy" in his username?

Just wondering if as a seller, there is some "anti-discrimination" policy where you aren't allowed to not accept a bid for whatever reason.

I'm pretty sure you can cancel a bid for any reason you like.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Everyone that laughs at what I said obviously missed my point.

You need to take that shit to the shopping morality thread. I usually look it up for people like you, but you can search for it. Post your bitching in there and get the fuck out of this thread.

[javeryh]

Everyone that laughs at what I said obviously missed my point.
No I get your point exactly and it's really really funny. This thread is about eBaying the PS3 so if you don't want to help please don't post here. I'm sure there are plenty of morality/"eBaying PS3s is wrong" threads to talk about it.

[mick16]

Ebay discourages you from cancelling bids, but there's nothing in the rules that prohibits you from canceling a bid from a bidder which you view as malicious.

[pinebarrens]

Should I sell a couple of games with my PS3 or should I just sell the system by itself? I was thinking of including Resistance, COD 3, and Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Any thoughts?

[Indiana]

I'm pretty sure you can cancel a bid for any reason you like.

I dont' think u can cancel a bid for any reason you like. It's a contract. Now canceling your auction, I do not know.

[Dhuk]

there are so many non-gamers in lines, it's not funny. The people who will win out the most are those at WM in the East coast and Mid-Night launch specials. Those 1 day auctions will go for alot I pressume?

[dpatel]

Can I edit the auction once it is up? I could do a 1 day auction and start it now, but I want to add actual pictures of it tomorrow.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Theres something in the ebay rules about needing a picture of the item with your name buy it, even if it's not a preorder. Found this in the forums...


To sell a PlayStation 3 console after November 17th we will require the
following from sellers:

1. You must have the item in your possession at the time of listing. The
listing must include a photograph of the actual product in your
possession. Please have your USER ID clearly displayed within the
photograph. If you have multiple products in your possession, please
include one photo containing all items. No stock images will be
accepted.

2. Your listing must also include an image of the sales receipt(s) (or
other proof of purchase) for the items. In order to protect yourself
please black out any sensitive personal information such as credit card
information.

Violation of these guidelines may cause action to be taken, up to and
including suspension of accounts.

[IXISIXI]

Sold my pre-order Buy it now, even though they said you couldn't, heh. Put it up for 2k and end of story. 2k is more than i thought i could ever get so I was happy to sell it off and get my money.

I am now $1,300 richer after ebay/paypal/shipping

[gofishn]

Sold my pre-order Buy it now, even though they said you couldn't, heh. Put it up for 2k and end of story. 2k is more than i thought i could ever get so I was happy to sell it off and get my money.

I am now $1,300 richer after ebay/paypal/shipping

Nice! It was smart of you to get out early, I have a feeling the prices on these things are about to drop big time once the floodgates open tomorrow morning.

[io]

Sold my pre-order Buy it now, even though they said you couldn't, heh. Put it up for 2k and end of story. 2k is more than i thought i could ever get so I was happy to sell it off and get my money.

I am now $1,300 richer after ebay/paypal/shipping

Kudos on that - but some people are getting a *bit* too greedy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-IN-BOX-PLAYSTATION-3-1-day-listing_W0QQitemZ290051794323QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62 053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PS3-NEW-PREMIUM-60gb-Playstation-3-2-games-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ180052114803QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

:rofl: on that first one!

[jer7583]

Sold my pre-order Buy it now, even though they said you couldn't, heh. Put it up for 2k and end of story. 2k is more than i thought i could ever get so I was happy to sell it off and get my money.

I am now $1,300 richer after ebay/paypal/shipping

Congrats, man! I'd rather be out there line sitting than writing this 15 page business ethics paper.. or procrastinating on CAG when I should be writing it, lol.

[sonicbooom]

PS3 eBay auctions gone wild:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Free-Overnight-Shipping-Blu-ray_W0QQitemZ150059269467QQihZ005QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150059269467

[DrFoo]

A newspaper here in Madison Wisconsin wrote that you need a seller feedback of 50+ to sell a PS3 and that you can only sell a maximum of one. Does anybody know if this is a lie? Couldn't find anything about this here and I really hope it isn't true...

And I'm talking about non preorders btw

[gofishn]

PS3 eBay auctions gone wild:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Free-Overnight-Shipping-Blu-ray_W0QQitemZ150059269467QQihZ005QQcategoryZ62054Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150059269467

That guy looks like a douche but I do feel bad for him. That thing was at like $2300 before all that garbage.

[robbart914]

That was in terms of "presell" auctions. Now that it's out, it may be a different case. I've read nothing yet limiting a participant to one.

But damn, some bidder finally maxed Ebay out, huh? I actually fear for the seller on that one (though I despise what they've turned the launch into). There's no way in hell he's getting paid, but that probably won't stop Ebay from hitting him up for it with their fees.

[sonicbooom]

That was in terms of "presell" auctions. Now that it's out, it may be a different case. I've read nothing yet limiting a participant to one.

But damn, some bidder finally maxed Ebay out, huh? I actually fear for the seller on that one (though I despise what they've turned the launch into). There's no way in hell he's getting paid, but that probably won't stop Ebay from hitting him up for it with their fees.
Anybody know how much eBay would charge him for the auction? Just curious..

[io]

Anybody know how much eBay would charge him for the auction? Just curious..

A ton - but he'll get them back in 2 weeks after filing a non-paying bidder alert (though a douche bidder could screw with that and prolong it too).

Thanks for the link though - I have a bunch of bidders I can now add to my blocked bidder list. Keep 'em coming! :D Note that one of them is *already* not registered. It is likely ebay will give this seller his fees back without the non-paying bidder process, actually, as it is pretty clearly wrong. It is the ones that get bid to $5000 or so that I worry about.

[gofishn]

Yeah, the ones that look legit but are actually shills are the ones they'll have a tough time with.

[io]

Yeah, the ones that look legit but are actually shills are the ones they'll have a tough time with.

OK, boy the douche's are out in force apparently. I have a blocked bidder list that consists of about 10 names I've acquired over about 2 years of more recent selling (I sold on ebay a long time ago but took about 2 years off). All of those were non-paying bidders - I got my ebay fees refunded, and then added them to the list.

I just nearly tripled my list with the scumbags from this auction. And as a CAG public service here is the list in the form you can add it to your blocked bidder list:

psingley85, qside23, themp3zone, machineissad, superman1584, soldatos, matt307165, adamelodi, trustnu2, 82transam350, bigjody111, mrsophistication, ich00012, hp_rsx_s, sh0esy, wootang365, jharris401, rohrer23, alyss03, isaac-5212, ez_shops, allamerreject145, ariggs96, lovetobid1008, hawk247ada, ctran1337, cardgod111, taylorneuman17

The scary thing is that a few of these people have 100+ feedback. I guess they are going down in flames over this issue, it's that fucking important to them. While I think line sitters who hire homeless people to obtain multiple PS3s for ebay are pretty patheric, these losers who mess with auctions are 10x worse. I was expecting these people to all be new users with 0 feedback - only a few actually are. One guy has a net score of 1 - two positive, one negative. The neg is for non-response on a $20 wireless router. Scum of the Earth...

The blocked bidder option is NOT easy to find - go to My Ebay, click on "more..." in the "Related Links" section at the bottom left, then click on "Block or Pre-Approve Bidders".

I know there's no way I'll catch them all, but I'm going to comb through a few more auctions and list any that I find here as well.

[gofishn]

Cool, I appreciate that.

[io]

You know, upon further examination I'm not sure what was up with this auction. Maybe this is a guy they all knew and he did something horrible, who knows. The reason I say that is that except for possibly the banned bidder (and I can't see what he also bid on any more) none of the other seem to have put in any joke bids. Many of them have bought regular game items and some have put in reasonable bids on other PS3 auctions. MAYBE, either this was a glitch in ebay, or there's some backstory we don't know about (like the guy line cut at an EB or something - after all, he has his picture in there).

It is a bit of a relief to see there isn't widespread high bidding by these buyers. I'm even tempted to remove some of them from my blocked list, but I probably ought to keep them there just to be safe :D.

I'll dig a little further - so far I've done the top 5 (looking at their bidding history). Some of them have ONLY bid on this auction in the last 30 days.

Edit #1:

Most of the bidder appear normal otherwise.

ariggs96 is slightly fishy in that they may have bid an enormous amount to get this auction to end at $4000+.
Here are the 2 auction they bid on - one is the joke one, and the other they won for $4350. It will be interesting to
see if they pay for it.

Item Start End Price Title High Bidder Seller
280049145830 Nov-13-06 Nov-16-06 23:28:06 US $4,350.00 Sony Playstation 3 PS3 60GB System Console Pre-sale ariggs96 (*) bjervone2003
150059269467 Nov-13-06 Nov-16-06 23:45:40 US $99,999,999.00 Playstation 3 PS3 60GB Free Overnight Shipping /Blu-ray psingley85 (*) k.c.cards

Edit #2:
My new theory - maybe this guy bragged in a message board or something and is having some sort of retaliation. In any case, it seems personal against him :lol:.

Ah, found another joke bid auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160050434898
This auction is at 11 million with 4 hours to go :rofl:.

And one of the bidders from the first is in on this one as well (ctran1337). Here are the new ones to add to your blocked list: kiangsta, xitebike, biggrigs173, heybabe_12, lovelikewinter0. These people are mostly zero-feedback so most likely out to cause trouble.

The new high bidder in this second auction (kiangsta) was also involved in the other (but somehow I missed him - ah, I see he bid 99 million then retracted it). He has this auction for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62054&item=250050911427
He also sold a TMX so he's a hypocrite if he's upset about people selling PS3's.

Edit #3 - There's some wierd shit going on - if you look at both of those auctions there are lots of cancellations with people saying they "entered the wrong amount". Either they are trying to scare off other bidders by bidding high and then cancelling at the last minute (though they failed in that first one, anyway), or there is some glitch going on with these auctions. In any case, I'm done dealing with this for now! I'll keep all those people on my blocked list in any case - either they are assholes, incompetant, or have glitchy browsers ;).