Kane & Lynch: Dead Men - Gen. Discussion [Mobile/Archive]

help1

11-10-2006, 11:22 AM

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(http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/k/kaneandlynchdeadmen/)
Features

Kane and Lynch: Dead Men™ is the new action shooter franchise from the creators of Hitman. Enter the violent and chaotic journey of two men—a flawed mercenary and a medicated psychopath. This volatile partnership combined with innovative technologies allows for an unparalleled gaming experience. The epic crime drama feel is delivered through IO Interactive's proprietary technology boasting fluid high definition graphics and lighting, highly destructible environments, massive crowd A.I., and non-stop dialog between Kane and Lynch. The shooter experience is equally intense with single and co-op play, a crew-based combat system where players lead and control the actions of their crews, and a groundbreaking online crime-based multiplayer mode for four to eight players.

A dangerous environment: An intense crime drama set in realistic and responsive environments. Crowds react when events get of out control. Crowded nightclubs and calm bank offices become scenes of sudden terror. Manipulate the environments and crowds strategically to complete objectives.
Intense third-person gameplay: Rappel from buildings, fire on the run or from moving vehicles, launch surprise attacks, hurl smoke, tear, and incendiary grenades, and use the automatic cover and blind fire system for shooting around corners.
Fast and intuitive combat: Lead a crew of criminal mercenaries to increase your chance of surviving and reaching your goals. Or fight alone as your crew's A.I. automatically draws fire, throws grenades, lays down cover, and engages in close combat with their own signature moves.
Two player cooperative game play: Team up and play the full story with a friend as either Kane or Lynch. On the big jobs, split the command of your crew. At any point in the game, choose to play the next, or previous, levels in co-op.
Innovative multiplayer mode: The new multiplayer mode is based on greed, betrayal, and revenge where cunning criminal thinking is highly rewarded. Join a crew of from four to eight players and take them for everything they got. There is no release date, but there is a trailer out and it seems to be the "sequel" to freedom fighters.

Trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_efPB_m2c

aniousjoe

11-10-2006, 11:39 AM

it looks interesting (from the vid on the marketplace), but seemed too much like a splinter cell kinda game... and i hate all tom clancy games...

peteloaf

11-10-2006, 12:44 PM

The trailer on XBLMP looks awesome, though I know nothing about the game...

bobo2k4

11-10-2006, 12:46 PM

Think I'm gonna get Army of 2 over this. I agree aniousjoe, all Tom Clancy gaves are overrated.

pimpinc333

11-10-2006, 12:48 PM

All Edios games suck.

Mookyjooky

11-10-2006, 12:51 PM

Freedom Fighters was fucking awesome. But it seems they've fucked it up. Oh well.

I'm going army of two, until they come out with a freedom Fighters 2 game.

rabidmonkeys

11-10-2006, 01:02 PM

I am excited for this, it seems to be a Co-op Hitman. How can they screw that up? Wait, don't answer that.

ryanbph

11-10-2006, 01:09 PM

i either read or hear an interview and they said that it was a cross between hitman and freedom fighters...the story line sounds good, I hope the gameplay is there as well

spamjizz

11-10-2006, 02:09 PM

I think It looks kinda cool.

swetooth9

11-10-2006, 07:10 PM

i'm waiting for this game...seems like hitman with coop...sounds good in my book

Brak

11-10-2006, 07:17 PM

Hell, yeah.

I love the Hitman series, so I'll probably love this.

coolieman2001

11-10-2006, 11:24 PM

we can only hope that its like freedom fighters cause that was an awsome game. But like pimpinc333 said, all eidos games do suck

terribledeli

11-10-2006, 11:37 PM

Based on that trailer?

No.

Based the small amount of information available about an awesome co-op game?

Sure.

neudog

11-10-2006, 11:49 PM

Maybe if it came out before GoW, but unfortunately it didn't and now it will not compare in sales along with every other title this holiday season:)

nickmad

11-11-2006, 12:41 AM

trailer is really slick. seems cool.

aniousjoe

11-11-2006, 01:25 AM

Think I'm gonna get Army of 2 over this. I agree aniousjoe, all Tom Clancy gaves are overrated.

very. army of two seems incredible from the egm preview, but if this game is like hitman (or even better, freedom fighters), then it should be good... as good as an idea like that is w/o playin' it

captainfrizo

11-11-2006, 02:37 AM

Computer Gaming World did a preview on the PC/360 version a couple of months ago. It sounds really interesting. This is definitely a game I have my eyes on.

Sn0brawler

11-11-2006, 05:54 AM

I liked the trailer and the Game Informer preview made it sound awesome. Definitely looking forward to it.

ksuwild25

11-11-2006, 08:20 PM

Definitely interested since I liked the Hitman and Freedom Fighter games.

asianxcore

11-13-2006, 12:56 AM

as others have said, the Game Informer feature got me interested in it.

I'll probably look more into it once we get closer to a release date.

Ender

11-13-2006, 09:50 AM

Think I'm gonna get Army of 2 over this. I agree aniousjoe, all Tom Clancy gaves are overrated.

Same.

thrustbucket

11-13-2006, 11:52 AM

The trailer didn't show you how the game plays. I would like to like this game, but I need to see more of it. I do love the Michael Mann look to it though, I just would like to know how it plays and what you do in the game before I pop a viagra for it.

the3rdkey

11-13-2006, 11:55 AM

Think I'm gonna get Army of 2 over this. I agree aniousjoe, all Tom Clancy gaves are overrated.

EA will probably make you do microtranactions to get guns, bullets, and the two player mode for $12,004.

thamaster24

11-13-2006, 01:08 PM

EA will probably make you do microtranactions to get guns, bullets, and the two player mode for $12,004.

Man, the extra $4 killed me

Anyway, I really want to see more of this game

jkircos

01-21-2007, 03:07 PM

This is on Ebgames website for 49.99. Is this the retail price, or just an error? And if the website says this price, would it be that price in store?

bobo2k4

01-21-2007, 03:15 PM

This is on Ebgames website for 49.99. Is this the retail price, or just an error? And if the website says this price, would it be that price in store?

Probably a pricing error, its back at 59.99 now.

terribledeli

01-21-2007, 03:27 PM

Probably a pricing error, its back at 59.99 now.

Still $49.99 at both Gamestop.com and EBgames.com for me.

It may be like Just Cause, assuming Eidos announces its going completely multiplatform.

guyver2077

01-21-2007, 03:37 PM

traler looks nice

Scorch

01-21-2007, 03:37 PM

Definately going to pick this up.. loved the Hitman games. Loved Freedom Fighters. Will love this, Army of Two, and Bioshock.

Tha Xecutioner

08-29-2007, 01:17 AM

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4360_en.html

First gameplay (that I've seen). From the looks of it, definitely do not let this game fall under your radar.

Graystone

08-29-2007, 01:21 AM

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4360_en.html

First gameplay (that I've seen). From the looks of it, definitely do not let this game fall under your radar.

Looks good.

Ikohn4ever

08-29-2007, 01:39 AM

looks great, too many damn games though, cant they delay some to the summer

PenguinMaster

08-29-2007, 04:47 AM

Looks like a combination of Gears of War, Freedom Fighters, and Hitman; and it looks great.

looks great, too many damn games though, cant they delay some to the summer
Grand Theft Auto IV and Splinter Cell Conviction were already delayed. Just wait until Summer to buy some of this Fall and Winter's great games, by then they will be cheaper.

ighosty

08-29-2007, 10:18 AM

love the hitman games, so this one is probably a rent

Ikohn4ever

08-29-2007, 10:25 AM

Grand Theft Auto IV and Splinter Cell Conviction were already delayed. Just wait until Summer to buy some of this Fall and Winter's great games, by then they will be cheaper.

yea I know but still, i want COD 4, Kayne and Lynch, Army of two, Assassins Creed, Bio Shock, plus all the wii games i want too. Too many games in too little time, it seems to be bad business with everything so close together

PenguinMaster

08-29-2007, 11:18 AM

yea I know but still, i want COD 4, Kayne and Lynch, Army of two, Assassins Creed, Bio Shock, plus all the wii games i want too. Too many games in too little time, it seems to be bad business with everything so close together
People buy way more games during the "holiday season" then any other time of the year, so with a lot of games it'd be bad business to release them at any other time.

shieryda

08-29-2007, 03:20 PM

Has online co-op been confirmed yet?

SpecTrE3353

08-29-2007, 10:24 PM

I saw a trailer for this at PAX... looked really, really cool.

Duke Vandal

08-30-2007, 12:31 AM

I'm a complete sucker for anything IO makes (admittedly, their resume almost exclusively consists of Hitman games, but I suppose that's why.) I love the seedy, somewhat immoral vibe in all of my beloved Agent 47's games, and I think that's why I'm so ridiculously excited for Kane & Lynch.

asianxcore

11-13-2007, 02:57 AM

I just read on IGN that the game will be without online Co-Op. I'll probably wait for it to drop in the $20-30 range now.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/832/832271p1.html

Nelo Ice

11-13-2007, 02:58 AM

the multiplayer sounds fun but no online co op kinda kills it

ighosty

11-13-2007, 03:08 AM

probably going to rent this and beat the game on co op with a friend

getfckedx

11-13-2007, 07:56 AM

damn, thats the first time i've seen ingame footage, i'm totally stoked for this, although i'm surprised there hasn't been a review out for yet.

if it gets a decent review this is definately a buy for me

shieryda

11-13-2007, 10:25 AM

My anticipation for this game has pretty much dropped to a low point since online co-op was not included. PH title for me.

hx214

11-13-2007, 10:59 AM

no online co-op = no sale for me.

Why in god's name would they make a game and not throw in online co-op? (COD4 im looking in your direction...)

Rei no Otaku

11-13-2007, 11:19 AM

The no online co-op does suck, a lot. I don't understand why this isn't in most games. It's probably the #1 feature I look for as far as online play goes.

veedubkid

11-13-2007, 12:09 PM

I have been waiting and waiting for this ever since last Aug 06 when they announced this and Army of 2, They both look sick and I will get both of them.
You get to play heist/Bank of LA robbery? COUNT ME IN! this is how reservoir dogs game should have been.

$hady

11-13-2007, 01:36 PM

I love the cops and robbers online idea but the timing is horrible for this game. I'll probably give it a rent and check out the online IF I can pull myself away from CoD4 online long enough...

doctorfaustus

11-13-2007, 02:19 PM

Going to wait 'till it drops in price for this one. Not that it does not look good, but I have too many games that I am interested in playing before I get to K&L.
Also, in the early promo art, weren't K&L two Gears of War Looking characters?

ihadFG

11-13-2007, 02:24 PM

Also, in the early promo art, weren't K&L two Gears of War Looking characters?
I think you're thinking of Army of Two.

As for this game, I'm just going to add it to my Gamefly Q. As others have said, this is just bad timing with competition like Mass Effect and Call of Duty 4.

bigdsinferno

11-13-2007, 02:31 PM

no online co-op = no sale for me.

Why in god's name would they make a game and not throw in online co-op? (COD4 im looking in your direction...)

exactly.. i didn't buy both of these games for that reason alone. Merely rentals for both, it seems like they really rushed this game in order to get it out before christmas. It's ridiculous that a game based so heavily on two people working together would not include online coop. hell with split screen, i don't have an hdtv so i can use half of the screen.

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 03:18 PM

exactly.. i didn't buy both of these games for that reason alone. Merely rentals for both, it seems like they really rushed this game in order to get it out before christmas. It's ridiculous that a game based so heavily on two people working together would not include online coop. hell with split screen, i don't have an hdtv so i can use half of the screen.

What the fuck?

Its your opinion. But I swear to god you online co-op people are a small minority. It has off line co op....a feature that is FAR BETTER than online co - op.

I play my co op with real life friends. Hanging out, couple beers, and a couch is a thousand times better than playing with a stranger online.

I just really cant see how anyone can rate online co op as a make or break feature..especially when there is a off line co op.

You people are crazy. I really just think that a lot of you people are feature whores. Gears of War at online co op and how many games were on when you searched? 3...4 maybe?

Online co-op=shotty sniper matches. A feature although good, only 10/100 people actually like.

shieryda

11-13-2007, 03:21 PM

What the fuck?

Its your opinion. But I swear to god you online co-op people are a small minority. It has off line co op....a feature that is FAR BETTER than online co - op.

I play my co op with real life friends. Hanging out, couple beers, and a couch is a thousand times better than playing with a stranger online.

I just really cant see how anyone can rate online co op as a make or break feature..especially when there is a off line co op.

You people are crazy. I really just think that a lot of you people are feature whores. Gears of War at online co op and how many games were on when you searched? 3...4 maybe?

Online co-op=shotty sniper matches. A feature although good, only 10/100 people actually like.

While I do like playing co-op with a friend in the same room, I hate playing split-screen. I much prefer to have my own tv (hence, online co-op) or at least no split screen on the same tv.

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 03:31 PM

While I do like playing co-op with a friend in the same room, I hate playing split-screen. I much prefer to have my own tv (hence, online co-op) or at least no split screen on the same tv.

That is a good point...and I did forget about the split screen. Which does suck.

But hell...we have been playing split screen for how many years now? I guess I am just used to it.

But its not the simply fact that someone dislikes the fact that it doesnt have that feature.

I am just trying to understand how its a make a break feature.

I would like it to have online co op also....but if a game doesnt have it I am not going to be like, "What the fuck? No on line co op? Fuck this game...it will now be shit."

Meh what can you do. The multiplayer sounds to good to pass up.

thrustbucket

11-13-2007, 03:35 PM

What the fuck?

Its your opinion. But I swear to god you online co-op people are a small minority. It has off line co op....a feature that is FAR BETTER than online co - op.

Totally disagree.

Local co-op means split-screen. On-line co-op means each player gets their own screen, which automatically makes it 50 times better.

I just really cant see how anyone can rate online co op as a make or break feature..especially when there is a off line co op.

You people are crazy. I really just think that a lot of you people are feature whores. Gears of War at online co op and how many games were on when you searched? 3...4 maybe?

Playing games co operatively is one of the primary reasons to have an Xbox and a Live account for that matter. Gears of War set a new standard with their co-op online system. And there is just no excuse that a game that is more co-op heavy than Gears to NOT have online co-op a whole year after Gears. It's ridiculous.

Online co-op=shotty sniper matches. A feature although good, only 10/100 people actually like.
I have no idea what this means.

Rei no Otaku

11-13-2007, 03:38 PM

That is a good point...and I did forget about the split screen. Which does suck.

But hell...we have been playing split screen for how many years now? I guess I am just used to it.

But its not the simply fact that someone dislikes the fact that it doesnt have that feature.

I am just trying to understand how its a make a break feature.

I would like it to have online co op also....but if a game doesnt have it I am not going to be like, "What the fuck? No on line co op? Fuck this game...it will now be shit."

Meh what can you do. The multiplayer sounds to good to pass up.
When you have about 100 games fighting for your dollars, then something like this can become make or break.

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 04:12 PM

Totally disagree.

Local co-op means split-screen. On-line co-op means each player gets their own screen, which automatically makes it 50 times better.
I guess I dont mind Split screen as much. Its the coolness of being with your friends in real life that is more appealing than playing with randomguy 354 online.

Playing games co operatively is one of the primary reasons to have an Xbox and a Live account for that matter. Gears of War set a new standard with their co-op online system. And there is just no excuse that a game that is more co-op heavy than Gears to NOT have online co-op a whole year after Gears. It's ridiculous.
I have to disagree. I really havent thought about online co op in any game I have played online thus far. If it has it...I might use it once or twice but again. I dont consider people on my "friends" list as actually friends..so playing with them or random other people online is as worthless as an old man in a playboy mansion. I still would much rather deal with the split screen and hang out with my real life friends and go through a game than to sit by myself..talking through a headset to a guy I have never seen, met, or ever care to know anything more than the fact that he happens to be playing the same game as I am now.

I have no idea what this means.
Shotty snipers is a game mode that abut 10% of the FPS population loves to death. These people think that any Handgun only..or sniper only match proves real skill and is the great thing on the planet.

Now...the mode is not bad...its is nothing wrong with loving handgun only matches but only 10% of the population could care anything about them. Its a taste that only a few people like.

That is what I am saying, Online co op...is good...but I feel that only 10 out of every 100 people truely cares about on line co op. I still have to believe that we are not so jaded that actually hanging out with your real life friends even with the split screen can be consider a secondary feature because you would rather play with people you know nothing about what so ever.

When you have about 100 games fighting for your dollars, then something like this can become make or break.

Very true. But only if that is what you were looking for. If you have a friend that lives in another state a feature like this could be make or break....

asianxcore

11-13-2007, 06:06 PM

Brak

11-13-2007, 06:15 PM

The story looks to be told well, so I could give two shits that it doesn't include online co-op.

I prefer playing games like this by myself, anyway.

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 06:21 PM

Soodmeg, you do realize the online co-op everyone is talking about (in Gears and wanting in Kane & Lynch) refers to online co-op STORY mode, right? We aren't talking about playing death matches with two accounts signed into the same Xbox 360.

I like how you assume that everyone XBL friends list consists of random people we meet in matches?

How about a list that consists of....lets say?

-Friends in real life
-Real life friends who have moved out of the area/out of state
-CAG people who don't annoy you

I like playing games with my friends in real life as much as the next guy. Problem is life is life and we all have priorities that don't involve games. Having an online option makes it easy to squeeze gaming with your friends (online) when you have weird hours for gaming.

Yes I aware of what we are talking about. I dont even know why you would think I wasnt talking about the story.

If you are talking about the shotty snipers thing than you took it way out of context and you completely missed the point. I was simply stating that online co - op is a feature although good only a few percent of the population use it.

And I like how I have to painfully explain every little detail over the internet because people take everything you say out of context when they are trying to make a point.

I never said I assumed your entire list of friends is strangers. Fucking Christ. I assume that everyone reading was smart enough to know that I was not talking about the 3 or 4 people on your friends list that you know in real life. We all have at least 2 or 3 people on our list of 20 friends that we know in real life. (I am sure that your have less than 8 real life friends on your list)

Again. I never said online co - op was bad and we all know the benefits for on line co - op. Once again I never said it was bad mode. I said...I think only a small group of people think that online co - op is a make or break feature.

That is assuming that I am correct in saying that gamers are not so jaded that they would prefer online co - op to hanging out with their real life friends.

I mean, what happens when one of your real life friends doesnt have an xbox and there is no off line co op in a game? (which does happen)

My point was I dont think as many people as it seems thinks online co - op is a make or break feature.

You are trying to turn it into me saying that online co - op is a bad feature.

asianxcore

11-13-2007, 06:37 PM

We all have at least 2 or 3 people on our list of 20 friends that we know in real life. (I am sure that your have less than 8 real life friends on your list)

12. Then again what do I know?

Sorry for making you explain everything. The shotty/sniper reference in GoW was just really random/obscure when trying to make your point. You could've just let your statement speak for itself. That not many people care about Co-Op online enough to make it such a 'make or break' feature. Hell, Brak agreed with you.

I should stop arguing. Seeing your posts in here and in the Assassin's Creed thread, I have a feeling if I annoy you any more you might drop a giant paragraph of anger on me.

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 06:54 PM

12. Then again what do I know?

Sorry for making you explain everything. The shotty/sniper reference in GoW was just really random/obscure when trying to make your point. You could've just let your statement speak for itself. That not many people care about Co-Op online enough to make it such a 'make or break' feature. Hell, Brak agreed with you.

I should stop arguing. Seeing your posts in here and in the Assassin's Creed thread, I have a feeling if I annoy you any more you might drop a giant paragraph of anger on me.
You think to highly of yourself.

You havent come close to annoying me. And I didnt even know we were in a "arguement" I dont really look to argue online. I stated my opinion..then gave reason for that opinion.

Reason that you clearly dont understand or have been taking out of context for the sole propose of making a point that doesnt really exist in the first place.

To be honest....what the fuck are you talking about anyway? What was the point you were trying to make ...what exactly is your argument?

That online co - op is good? I clearly said that.
That benefits out weight the negatives for online co - op? I said that to.

The shotty snipers was actually a reference to Halo not Gears of War so I dont know what the hell you are even talking about there. You must be confused.

It also is very simply to understand. Shotty snipers is a mode that although good only a small group of people actually like to play it.

Seriously...I said that like 4 times already...if you dont get it by now I dont know what to tell you.

It sounds to me like you read my post...didnt understand it at all/didnt agree then you saw my name and was like "Thats the CAG villain Soodmeg. I am going to try to prove his opinion wrong."

Then you stated things that didnt even make sense in the realm of what I was talking about.

It seems to me that your argument is simply...that you disliked that I explained why I thought most people dont think online co - op is a make or break feature.

EDIT: Which by the way seem very strange because most of the time you get ripped for saying blanket statement without any backing. You come in and say a statement that is completely false...than to come back to make another assumption that is also clearly false.

Logg

11-13-2007, 06:58 PM

-CAG people who don't annoy you

Your on my friends list, does that mean I don't annoy you.

I Fucking rule

thrustbucket

11-13-2007, 07:14 PM

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 07:42 PM

Soodmeg,

I can sort of see what you are saying. But nearly everyone I know personally (family, long ancient friends) live rather far away, like the other side of the country in many cases. Co-op over live is the only way we have to play (regardless, I HATE split screen).

Even if they don't live far away, most of them are married, or have kids. So actually scheduling time to come over and and play video games is nearly impossible. Catching each other online before bed is about our only option of playing anything together.

For this reason, Live is a godsend. And for this reason, I demand my co-op be possible over live for all games made after Gears that have co-op.

And thats perfect. I was not/ and am not disagreeing with you. When your friends leave its perfect to on line co - op with your friends. In fact in about 3 hours I will being co oping with my married good friend. But since most games in which you are going to be co oping in...I feel are are going to be played by younger kids that will prefer being in the same room.

Online co - op is great...I was never disagreeing with that. I was simply saying that I think that most people dont feel that online co - op is a make or break feature.

But I am going to drop it. It was just a opinion backed by the reasons why I thougt of said opinion. It seemed to have upset asian so to keep him from going on another tagent by taking what I said to the Gamefaqs level of out of context.

Brak

11-13-2007, 07:45 PM

Hell, Brak agreed with you.
I never agree with Soodmeg.

I don't really agree with him, in this regard. He's rep'ing that offline co-op...

In my case, I prefer online co-op to offline co-op, simply because all of my friends are lousy at video games and / or don't care about them.

Calamityuponthee

11-13-2007, 08:00 PM

I'm still on the fence with this game.. and there isn't a single worthy review out yet. Lame.

bigdsinferno

11-13-2007, 08:12 PM

i don't see how i'm "fucking crazy" because online coop is a make or break feature to me. Some people have different priorities. In a case like this, where it is literally a coop game, to have no online coop is absurd. 99% of the time i'm online i play with my friend who lives on the other side of town. It's not exactly convenient to have him drive over any time we want to play coop and, furthermore, it should be unnecessary in a game of this type. This is, after all, one of the reasons why I pay for xbox live. This game was hyped about it's multiplayer and coop.. hell, one of the achievements is to beat it on coop. Take a couple months and add online coop (instead of rushing it before christmas). I have enough interesting games to play alone (see: mass effect), this just won't be one of them. If i wanted to play more games alone, i would actually buy a game for my ps3. There are so many new games to choose from i feel like i can choose what games i want based on the features i desire.

asianxcore

11-13-2007, 08:13 PM

I never agree with Soodmeg.

I don't really agree with him, in this regard. He's rep'ing that offline co-op...

In my case, I prefer online co-op to offline co-op, simply because all of my friends are lousy at video games and / or don't care about them.

Word. My bad for lumping the two of you together :)

I was just surprised that a game that focused so much on team work (with two very distinguishable characters) would lack online co-op. I guess it feels like the standard nowadays with team/squad based games like Rainbow Six: Vegas, and GRAW 1/2. Feels sort of weird not to have the option of online co-op for a game like this.

I was really looking forward to this game. Is it a deal breaker? Not necessarily. I won't be picking it up the first day but I'm still interested in the game enough to pick it up down the road.

jkircos

11-13-2007, 08:36 PM

Anyways, is this out and do they have any reviews on it yet?

veedubkid

11-13-2007, 08:41 PM

No from what I understand Friday the 16th.
Do you really need a review? Just look at that amazing gameplay :)

Soodmeg

11-13-2007, 08:52 PM

No from what I understand Friday the 16th.
Do you really need a review? Just look at that amazing gameplay :)

I am really looking for the new type of multi player.

It seems creative enough to hold my attention. I just hope that more people feel the same so there is enough people to play online.

The single player doesnt interest me at all...but that damn fragile alliance just looks amazing.

Nelo Ice

11-13-2007, 10:53 PM

ign review is up
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/834/834844p1.html

got a 7.0

RedvsBlue

11-13-2007, 11:00 PM

ign review is up
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/834/834844p1.html

got a 7.0

God damn cock tease of a review. It spends the entire first half building the game up to make you think its the greatest game ever then spends the second half tearing it down to Aquaman level.

zengonzo

11-13-2007, 11:32 PM

I can see the appeal, but I don't even see co-op as being that significant to the game, online or otherwise. It seems primarily a single-player experience.

Naturally, it would always be better if all games included both options. Can't see why offline is available but not online. Lately it's been the reverse.

I prefer offline co-op myself, as I'd primarily want to play it with someone in the room, there.

Looking forward to the very fresh take on multiplayer. Which itself seems like a sufficient replacement for online co-op in the main game.

The reviews are so-far discouraging, but I'm going to be renting it in any case.

zengonzo

11-13-2007, 11:38 PM

God damn cock tease of a review. It spends the entire first half building the game up to make you think its the greatest game ever then spends the second half tearing it down to Aquaman level.
Does it seem to anyone that there has been an unusually high failure rate for games with the latest generation?

I simply don't remember so many a-list titles being received with quite so much disappointment. Is it the difficulty in developing? Expectations being considerably higher?

terribledeli

11-13-2007, 11:56 PM

Does it seem to anyone that there has been an unusually high failure rate for games with the latest generation?

I simply don't remember so many a-list titles being received with quite so much disappointment. Is it the difficulty in developing? Expectations being considerably higher?

We're spoiled. I realized it after playing some Call of Duty 4. I didn't feel Infinity Ward gave me the experience I deserved. That I was owed by buying their products.

But then I realized I was being dick and it was an exceptional piece of work.

I think that's where the ratings are being skewed. People expect game of the year material from Ubisoft. When Assassin's Creed didn't deliver, the game is deemed a disappointment and failure. I'd imagine Kane and Lynch suffers the same fate, albeit I feel Kane could only deliver a "great" experience versus an "exceptional" one for a variety of reasons (Developer skill, time restraints, etc.). I'm still giving it a shot.

Duke Vandal

11-14-2007, 12:07 AM

I simply don't remember so many a-list titles being received with quite so much disappointment. Is it the difficulty in developing? Expectations being considerably higher?
Expectations certainly play a role in it, I'm sure. However, I think what it really comes down to is the fact that reviews are spoiled. That may sound silly, but think about it - the game industry is flooded with sequels whichever way you turn. Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, Guitar Hero 3, Virtual Fighter 5, Elder Scrolls IV.... the list goes on and on. These are all games from proven franchises, which have had multiple different iterations to improve upon one another's faults. Franchises need time to develop, to find their faults by letting the game loose to a large audience, so they may eventually find perfection in what they try to do.

I'm not necessarily saying that reviewers should change their scores based on the fact that a game is original or anything, but with more generic refined games out there right now, it wouldn't be necessarily fair to give Kane & Lynch or Assassins Creed a 10/10 when there are visible flaws. However, I end up finding that fresh and original titles are way more fun than playing yet another war game.

Oh, also, about the online co-op thing: I never planned on playing co-op in the first place. My understanding about the game is that the two characters have very distinctive personalities that unravel throughout the game, and I think it would ruin the overall atmosphere and character development process for me if, while in a heated gun battle at the climax of the story, my friend Jackson was yelling at his sister to clean the toilet (through the headset, that is). Just sayin', is all. :-#

[edit] While I was typing this, terribledeli basically said what I was trying to convey in a much nicer, less sarcastic way. Props to him.

getfckedx

11-14-2007, 02:00 AM

i think i'm going to end up picking this game up.

while it may not be a hardcore shooter, ala gears of war, it sounds like it'll be a good "popcorn flick" game.

mvp828

11-14-2007, 02:39 AM

World why do you have to be so cruel???

Guess this will go in my list of games to buy...

Rigth up there with NFS:ProStreet, Army of Two, WWE, and of course Assassins Creed.

Need money badly.

veedubkid

11-14-2007, 05:51 PM

It's out today @ Gamestop, I bought it and the kid asked if I pre ordered and I said "no why what do you get a shirt?" He said yep I said OK I have a preorder he looked at me, then said OK I like you and gave me the shirt too. Cool kid. Going to play after dinner

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kanelynchdeadmen/index.html?tag=result;title;0

Gamespot gave it 6.0 Average :(

asianxcore

11-14-2007, 06:29 PM

Unexpected surprise today :)

A close friend of mine sent me Kane & Lynch as an early X-Mas present, since I'll be gone most of December.

Can't complain about the lack of online co-op now can I?

Soodmeg

11-14-2007, 08:16 PM

No one seems to be talking about the multi player.

Which is the part I most want to know about.

Has anyone played the game yet and can comment on it?

Danil ACE

11-14-2007, 08:32 PM

At least after this game, IO can concentrate on the next Hitman game :D

ighosty

11-14-2007, 08:50 PM

No one seems to be talking about the multi player.

Which is the part I most want to know about.

Has anyone played the game yet and can comment on it?

From the review that seems to be the best part of the game. Should be fun if people actually play it.

asianxcore

11-14-2007, 09:42 PM

Played through 7 chapters so far. Pretty fun game. The story is your standard crime/revenge but the way it's told as well as the two main characters, make it extremely enjoyable.

The only things I don't like about it (so far):

Cover system. With so many enemies shooting at you at one time, it would be nice if the cover system was a little better. There were times where I was pressing up against a wall and it wouldn't take cover. There were also times where I would take cover randomly when trying to get around a corner. The cover system does make the shoot-outs more fun, but it's not at the level as say Rainbow Six: Vegas was with it's cover system.

Dumb squad AI. I like squad based games but your teammates feel really useless so far. I usually use them for bait or to cover me when I'm trying to get somewhere. Trying to get them to kill anyone is sort of annoying and also they get out of cover too much (think GRAW1 squad AI).

Controls. They feel sort of clunky and not as fluid as I would like for a game like this. I guess this and the cover system could be in the same category.

Soodmeg

11-15-2007, 01:28 AM

Gametrailers review is up.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27908.html

8.0

Its the first actually good review I have seen. Good as in the reviewer actually goes in depth about parts of the game and what is going on. He even touches on the multi player which I have yet to hear any other reviewer talk about for some reason. (or talk to little about)

Well damn...now I am getting both AC and this.

asianxcore

11-15-2007, 03:43 AM

So I just beat the game. I didn't count how many hours the game was but it was pretty short.

I was disappointed that the game pretty much turned into GRAW in the 2nd half of the game.

Calamityuponthee

11-15-2007, 06:23 PM

So I just beat the game. I didn't count how many hours the game was but it was pretty short.

I was disappointed that the game pretty much turned into GRAW in the 2nd half of the game.

I can beat this in a single sitting right? (I can plow through most games just making sure)

asianxcore

11-15-2007, 07:32 PM

I can beat this in a single sitting right? (I can plow through most games just making sure)

Yup. You can definitely beat this game in one sitting.

There are a couple tough sections but nothing a couple replays/memorization can't fix. I got it yesterday and beat in about 5-6 hours.

I would say the tough sections in the 2nd half of the game, as well as unnecessary stealth elements, make the game longer.

The multi-player is pretty fun. I encourage anyone who is even renting this game to try it out. Wish there were more maps though.

ighosty

11-15-2007, 07:58 PM

Does co-op add a lot to the single player game?

asianxcore

11-15-2007, 08:45 PM

Does co-op add a lot to the single player game?

Not really, which is sort of disappointing. It's pretty much just story mode with your friend now playing the role of Lynch.

The story mode doesn't change up or anything like in GRAW, where co-op missions were completely different than the story mode. The only times where it could get interesting is the parts of the game where Kane & Lynch are separated and have to do different tasks.

(EX. "Withdrawal" Kane and the safe breaker working downstairs, while Lynch is upstairs in the main room keeping hostages under pressure)

I really loved the first half of this game. The grittiness, the crime drama, taking hostages, shoot-outs, bank robberies, it was all great. The second half is where it really all fell apart for me, and I wasn't having fun anymore with the game.

Rei no Otaku

11-15-2007, 09:09 PM

The multiplayer is a blast. I just played it for a couple hours, and had a lot of fun.

Soodmeg

11-15-2007, 10:08 PM

The multiplayer is a blast. I just played it for a couple hours, and had a lot of fun.
Can you explain the multi player please?

Just a little more insight would be helpfully to me.

veedubkid

11-15-2007, 10:33 PM

I read in a review that it was shipping with 4 maps with more through LIVE later on. Quick heads up :)

Calamityuponthee

11-16-2007, 04:19 AM

Ok, just beat the single player.

The difficulty is flawed. I love hard games, what I don't like is cheap games. The cover system is stupid, and doesn't work at all. The ally AI is stupid, and doesn't help in the least.

The story is mediocre. What I thought was exceptional was the WAY the story was told.

I'd rate the game so far a 6.5/10. The game could have been much much better, but it feels totally rushed. Going to hop on multi-player and try a few rounds. Hopefully it's better,

ighosty

11-16-2007, 09:11 AM

Will probably rent this today and run through it with a friend. Should we do normal or hard difficulty? Take into account that we have been playin co-op games together for around 10 years.

Calamityuponthee

11-16-2007, 04:50 PM

Will probably rent this today and run through it with a friend. Should we do normal or hard difficulty? Take into account that we have been playin co-op games together for around 10 years.

I died on normal plenty of times, it's brutal.

Try the first few on hard, see how it is.

veedubkid

11-16-2007, 10:42 PM

Yeah this game is awesome, rent it don't go and buy it. You will play and beat it for 8 bucks and be pissed if it was 65 bucks but 8 bucks? fuck it. It is a good game it is just inherently flawed. I haven't tried multi, but I don't have live right now :(

Sofa King Cheap

11-17-2007, 12:56 AM

Freedom Fighters. Similar to or not? Discuss.

Rei no Otaku

11-17-2007, 02:04 AM

Freedom Fighters>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kane and Lynch.

But to answer your question, they're kind of similar.

Scorch

11-17-2007, 05:15 AM

Kinda similar?

This game is Freedom Fighters 2 with a different name. And I don't mind it one damn bit.

Rei no Otaku

11-17-2007, 11:15 AM

The gameplay just doesn't feel as good. I love Freedom Fighters, it was one of my favorite games last gen. But this game doesn't feel anywhere near as tight. Yeah, the gameplay mechanics are similar, but it's nowhere near as good. Hence why I said "kinda similar."

If someone had told me this was Freedom Fighters 2, but with a different name, then I had bought it. I'd have been very disappointed.

Soodmeg

11-17-2007, 05:17 PM

I bought this game and AC at the same time. Due to this game I have yet to even open AC yet.

I love the bad ass of it...the controls could be a little better and the FA mode could be fleshed out more but the game is just a good old fashioned romp of bad assary.

I love the fact that they are just 2 assholes trying to be nothing more than bigger assholes.

Its a real breath of fresh air from playing as fucking people in the Army...or a guy dressed in a red or blue armor who thinks melee kills should be in the top 3 tools of destruction even thought its called a first person shooter.

Rent or buy but either way find a way to play it.

nickmad

11-17-2007, 06:34 PM

...i want this game is anyone is looking to trade :)
cml

Ice2Dragon

11-17-2007, 07:02 PM

No online co op sucks.. only thing that kept me from buying it.

Jesus_S_Preston

11-17-2007, 07:04 PM

I have to say, if I can only have online or offline multiplayer, I'd pick offline any day of the week.

Soodmeg

11-17-2007, 08:36 PM

I have to say, if I can only have online or offline multiplayer, I'd pick offline any day of the week.

I have said that many times. I truly just dont get why people care about online co op.

I can bet that even if the game had online co op only 10% of the population would use it ever...and of that 10% they would most likely only play through once with their friends and thats it.

So are you really missing out? Not really.

I think these people are feature whores who complain about a feature that isnt included in a game even though they know they will rarely ever use it.

ighosty

11-17-2007, 09:01 PM

Played this almost all day today with a friend. The begining was really fun but...I do have some complaints The cover system, if you can call it that, is horrible. The second half of the game is horrible, robbing banks and fighting in office buildings was fun, but then the jungle. My and friend and I agreed that the game felt a lot like the Conflict games, but there are many problems with it. I was really looking forward to this game too :cry: good thing I rented it.

ryanbph

11-18-2007, 08:29 AM

I have said that many times. I truly just dont get why people care about online co op.

I can bet that even if the game had online co op only 10% of the population would use it ever...and of that 10% they would most likely only play through once with their friends and thats it.

So are you really missing out? Not really.

I think these people are feature whores who complain about a feature that isnt included in a game even though they know they will rarely ever use it.

I would like online co op...I am not going to bitch about it on a message board if it doesn't have it, but it would have been nice. Yes I would have probably played it 1 x thru single player, and then 1 x thru online co op but that is how I play games. I very very rarely play a game 2x. With my limited time and stack of games that I want to play, why would I bother going thru a game more then once? So yes I am missing out on playing a game that I had been very interested in since the announcement of it. No lon9ger do I have the option to play thru it with my brother or some college buddies. I have done that with games such as Gears, halo 3 and soon to be crackdown (took awhile to convince my friends to pick it up). The standards of what is included in games have been raised. I understand that they claim it is a math problem, and that they didn't plan ahead. They could have delayed the game, reworked the engine to get online play. It isn't like they needed to release right now, as most likely this game will go rather unoticed by by the majority of gamers this holidays.

dpadilla4

11-18-2007, 09:39 AM

markingsmart

11-18-2007, 12:10 PM

It's been a long time since a game has driven me to the point of throwing my controller across the room.

Thank you Kane & Lynch.

jer7583

11-18-2007, 12:48 PM

Did I really hear freedom fighters mentioned in comparison with this game?

Because I love Freedom Fighters. A LOT. And this looks kinda like garbage.

Rei no Otaku

11-18-2007, 12:52 PM

Did I really hear freedom fighters mentioned in comparison with this game?

Because I love Freedom Fighters. A LOT. And this looks kinda like garbage.
It uses a lot of the same mechanics as Freedom Fighters, but it's nowhere near as good. IO really needs to make a FF2...

jer7583

11-18-2007, 01:08 PM

After watching the video review the bank robbery scenes look good enough for a gamefly rental. They actually look really fun. The iraq/jungle stuff, not so much.

Rei no Otaku

11-18-2007, 01:12 PM

Don't get me wrong, the first half of the game is really good. My favorite part being the nightclub in Tokyo. Where there's hundreds of people running everywhere as you take out the guards. It was really well done.

The problem with the game is the length, and the fact that the controls just aren't tight. The cover system is horrific.

Brak

11-18-2007, 01:55 PM

I really like that this game breaks a lot of conventions.

ighosty

11-18-2007, 03:54 PM

I would agree that the first half of the game is fun. Hopefully the movie turns out better, Bruce Willis and Billy Bob Thorton are rumored as playing the main roles.

dpadilla4

11-18-2007, 06:35 PM

After watching the video review the bank robbery scenes look good enough for a gamefly rental. They actually look really fun. The iraq/jungle stuff, not so much.

just finished the game and it was worth a rental. Not as a bad thing but as a good thing as the game was fun to play.

mvp828

11-18-2007, 08:31 PM

I would agree that the first half of the game is fun. Hopefully the movie turns out better, Bruce Willis and Billy Bob Thorton are rumored as playing the main roles.

Haha...

I see what you did there. ;)

Is it really that much alike??

Soodmeg

11-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Anyone else getting a black screen when online sometimes?

sonicfreak5

11-19-2007, 06:58 PM

i got the game (its cross-platform) for pc. anyone wants to play hit me up.

jdangerc

11-20-2007, 09:42 AM

So is the HEIST Multiplayer game any good? Someone let me know. I want to rent this game.

Rei no Otaku

11-20-2007, 10:56 AM

So is the HEIST Multiplayer game any good? Someone let me know. I want to rent this game.
The multiplayer is fun. The game is definitely worth a rent.

rajchakrabarti

11-26-2007, 11:33 AM

hmmm.... i was on the fence on this game... may wait for a price drop.

destinywaste

11-27-2007, 02:18 PM

Have been trying to rent this game from Blockbuster ever since its release but they never have it in stock. I might end up buying this with a 10% off coupon from Best Buy. Hopefully the resale value is good. Don't plan on keeping it longer than once I get through the Single Player.

destinywaste

11-28-2007, 03:54 AM

Got this game from Blockbuster. I'm enjoying the Single Player. Not as poor as it's made out to be. The cover system is a bit weak and AI plain stupid, but I suck at third person shooters .. so I'm not complaining.

The MP looks fun. Even though I was regularly being killed the moment the crew got to the vault. I guess that's the whole point of fragile alliance. I would love to hit the multiplayer with some of the CAG members... and in the process maybe work towards swapping achievements. :p

Send me a friends request if you play this. I really want to stage a clean getaway without any killings, at least once. lol

Malik112099

12-18-2007, 09:29 PM

Just played the demo which downloaded pretty damn fast off the marketplace...

#1 - shortest demo ever
#2 - right when you start getting a feel for the game it says DEMO OVER big as shit and slowly fades to black as you think "I don't even know if this is good yet."

Slate

12-19-2007, 01:44 PM

I tried the demo, I can't understand why it is getting such a low rating on gamefly. Maybe they aren't playing it properly, It isn't a FPS! You aren't supposed to run in ad kill everyone.

deadite76

12-19-2007, 03:53 PM

I had fun with the demo. It's wasn't half as bad as I expected. Might burn some GR credit on a copy.

HighlightShow

12-19-2007, 03:54 PM

Just downloaded the demo, not bad.

dinovelvet

12-19-2007, 05:52 PM

I just tried the demo, really liked what I saw. Reminded me of the bank robbery shootout in Heat! I will pick this one up for sure.

getfckedx

12-19-2007, 05:56 PM

they need to release more levels for the multiplayer..

Danil ACE

12-19-2007, 06:12 PM

I don't understand why this game has such poor reviews. The demo, while short, was a blast! The demo level somewhat reminded my of the lobby scene in The Matrix.

Malik112099

12-19-2007, 08:20 PM

i think the graphics look a little sub-par for current gen systems

swetooth9

12-21-2007, 03:06 PM

in the demo, are you supposed to get fired upon like crazy every time and die once you get out of teh buliding? or can you survive?

Danil ACE

12-22-2007, 10:58 PM

in the demo, are you supposed to get fired upon like crazy every time and die once you get out of teh buliding? or can you survive?

The demo ends when you start walking to the overpass (once you get out of the building).

bigdsinferno

12-23-2007, 12:20 AM

it gets bad reviews because the story is awful and feels like it was written by a 14 year old. considering every other word is shit or fuck, it's obviously not well thought out. that's just one of the many gripes you'll probably find after playing for more than an hour... the gameplay isn't great either, and there are parts of the game that seem like they are just there to frustrate you. i really wanted to love this game, but i just couldn't find anything likeable about it. i would definitely suggest a rental over a purchase, a short demo won't show you all the annoyances you're sure to find.

j_j

12-23-2007, 06:28 PM

Interesting game demo on XBL but no way a purchase at full price, 29.99 in a couple of weeks at BB or CC
But then Burnout Paradise arrives! What a dilema!

maccabee72

12-30-2007, 01:58 PM

I got this game a few days ago and am having a blast! The AI sucks, the dialogue is pretty horrible (every other word is fuck), the graphics ar just OK, the aiming really sucks at times, and It can be buggy (got stuck in a wall once and companions standing in places they shouldn't)....but the game is straight up fun! The action is non-stop and highly immersive. The environments have enough variety and detail to make each level feel fresh. The story is pretty engaging so far and definitely has kept me coming back. I haven't tried the multiplayer yet, but after about 4 or 5 hours in with the single player, I definitelty am enjoying it. It may not be for everyone, but I'd definitely suggest a rental for anyone interested.

fathamburger

12-30-2007, 10:30 PM

I just tried the demo on PS3 because I was bored and was pleasantly surprised. If you really liked Heat the movie, this is basically Heat the game. Heists and lots of urban shooutouts done realy well. Sure the cover system sucks balls but Im really digging how if you die, your teammates actualy run over to revive you fairly consitently (yeah fuck you GoW) and if you die to often they bitch you out lol. They also come and give you ammo when you're out which in my book puts it heads and shoulders over other games.

The settings are also far more interesting than most generic military and PC shooters, multiplayer also looks interesting to me. This is a solid $30 game for me and the more I think about it and I have nothing to play without my 360, the more I think it might not be a bad close to full price purchase either. The lack of online co-op kills things a LOT otherwise I might even recommend a $40-50 buy