I hope you're happy...

[furyk]

I hope you're happy Sony and everyone who bought a system to sell it. I hope you get home today and read every single story about every single incident that happened about the PS3 launch and think to yourself, "Jesus, maybe my one system of the 150 thousand could have been a part of this," before you toss the thing for some spoiled bastard on E-Bay. You're just as much to blame about all of the shit that happens as Sony is for not making enough of these. It's a god damn toy, a piece of entertainment that people are getting shot at and beat upon. It's a game system that is causing people to break into each other's cars and businesses, to hold up stores for, to ruin other's Christmas for as you look to pawn the damn thing. It's a game system that causes a mother to sit outside of a Target for days with only a blanket, a chair, and her baby carriage.

Maybe I'm way to believing in the American public, but there's someone out there who had been rolling their quarters for months now saving up for a PS3 who just couldn't get one. I know the joy I had when I worked all summer at a summer camp to save up for a Sega Dreamcast, the first console I bought with my own money. It sickens me how so many people are willing to take advantage of what was once a child's joy for, and for so many parents who willing take place in this economy of either being leeched or leeching off of others.

Last night and today we've seen a very ugly side of the United State's "ideal" of free market capitalism. The wanton greed of Americans (both businesses in encouraging this behavior, bundling, and any number of other things and the Joe Q public for having it), and the blundering incompitence of Sony crossed into a new, dark place last night. Comfort yourself today by saying, "It's not my fault. There's a demand out there, and I'm just filling that demand," and realize what you're saying is the same thing that a drug dealer would say. Just because there's a demand doesn't make it right. Just because you can wait for 2 days straight in a Wal Mart doesn't mean that you deserve the damn thing more then someone who wants to use a video game system to play.

In other words, I hope you're happy with yourselves. I hope you guys realize that you were just a part of everything that is wrong with gaming. And I hope, sincerely hope, that the little bit of decency left inside of you gnaws away at you while waiting for your payday.

[Mookyjooky]

It just like every other toy, when the adults play it too, then its ruined.

Comic Collecting : From 1994 on
Beanie Babies : From 1996 on
Baseball Cards : from 1980s on
Video Games : from 1997 on

Now that I'm an adult, I figured that the kids of my youth would grow up to be beyond this BS, guess not.

There's alot of losers out there, it seems to be getting worse too. But I dont worry myself with them anymore.

If you're bitter because you're not getting a PS3, dont be... the thing is overpriced and buggy as hell.

[neudog]

OP no one really cares what you have to say. Everyone has their opinion and you're free to express it, but most of us could care a rats ass. Anyone who wanted a PS3 had to know they would be waiting 24+ hours and if someone wanted one bad enough they would have found a way to do it. Sell your savings story for your dreamcast for your children and grandchildren. This is a capatalistic country and is built around profit. There will be plenty of PS3's for everyone in the Springtime and you can spend your rolled up quarters then.

edit// Oh by the way how many did you get? I got two because I had the dedication to wait over 38 hours. If you would like one I'd be happy to send you a link to my auction :rofl:

[David85]

Or maybe they will be happy because they will be making $10,000 for getting a shity system!

[furyk]

If you're bitter because you're not getting a PS3, dont be... the thing is overpriced and buggy as hell.

I don't buy non-Nintendo launch units anymore because of the bugs associated with them after launch. Flame me all you want because deep down I know I'm right.

[fraggedbylaggers]

Here the thing:

The Thing: If you get your hands on a PS3 and you do not sell it on ebay you are insanse. They are going for thousands of dollars. If you sold one for a huge profit you could buy a PS3 for every room in your house once they become widely available.

[Michaellvortega]

While in line at target I was kinda saddened by the fact of some of the 6 people in front of me getting a hard on checking Ebay prices skyrokect on their cellphones. As we left 60GBs were hitting 8grand. I was first to pay and I RAN MY MOTHER fuckING ASS OFF TO THE CAR. To which I had to dodge people with cash in hand trying to buy it from me.

Here the thing:

The Thing: If you get your hands on a PS3 and you do not sell it on ebay you are insanse. They are going for thousands of dollars. If you sold one for a huge profit you could buy a PS3 for every room in your house once they become widely available.
How am I insane for keeping a PS3? People are insane for buying them for 8-10 grand.

[jalu6]

edit// Oh by the way how many did you get? I got two because I had the dedication to wait over 38 hours. If you would like one I'd be happy to send you a link to my auction :rofl:

Sure, some people may call that dedication, some might call it gross irresponsibility toward your family, job and everyone who depends on you (although clearly that isn't much.) I really doubt there are many people with an actual adult life to live who can spend 38 hours in front on an electronics store.

[fshaia]

furyk

A lot of what you say is true, I cant believe people camp out for days for a video game, but its a free country and you can do what you want. You are right about the greed factor, it would be nice if we could try and help one another more and quit thinking about ourselves so much. On the other hand if someone is silly enough to pay $2000 + for one of these things, I cant really blame someone for selling it to them, with all the taxes in this county and the cost of living, it is hard to pay the bills sometimes

[furyk]

If you get your hands on a PS3 and you do not sell it on ebay you are insanse. They are going for thousands of dollars. If you sold one for a huge profit you could buy a PS3 for every room in your house once they become widely available.

And you don't see anything wrong with the fact that they're going for thousands of dollars when the retail price is significantly less then that? I'm pissed off at the people taking part in this retail economy but don't think for a second that I don't hate the fact that an economy where rampant gouging on a toy exists.

[Oops! I did it again.]

While in line at target I was kinda saddened by the fact of some of the 6 people in front of me getting a hard on checking Ebay prices skyrokect on their cellphones. As we left 60GBs were hitting 8grand. I was first to pay and I RAN MY MOTHER fuckING ASS OFF TO THE CAR. To which I had to dodge people with cash in hand trying to buy it from me.



How am I insane for keeping a PS3? People are insane for buying them for 8-10 grand.
I think it's awesome to see people who want the experience of the PS3, not the cash.

I hope you enjoy it!

[Michaellvortega]

And you don't see anything wrong with the fact that they're going for thousands of dollars when the retail price is significantly less then that? I'm pissed off at the people taking part in this retail economy but don't think for a second that I don't hate the fact that an economy where rampant gouging on a toy exists.

Atleast it's for a "optional" toy rather then some needed resource like water or food.

[neudog]

Sure, some people may call that dedication, some might call it gross irresponsibility toward your family, job and everyone who depends on you (although clearly that isn't much.) I really doubt there are many people with an actual adult life to live who can spend 38 hours in front on an electronics store.

I am a full time student living in a teacher income home. It worked out in a way were I missed only one class and it didn't affect anything around me. Also my profit is not going to be used on frivilous items, I plan on paying off my systems on my credit card, paying off dental bills which total close to $3000, and finally use some for Christmas presents for loved ones. Everyday you are charged ungodly amounts for items in your home that you probably have no clue of what the true cost is. Sure not everyone has 38+ hours to burn, but if you do and you can benefit from it by waiting for a highly sought after item then more power to that individual. For all those upset about what is happening why don't you write your congressman or woman and fill them in. All I ever see is people bitch and whine about this on forums and that is the extent of it. Use this passion you have and do something about it until then I will take advantage of the opurtunities that present themselves and continue to similar response down the road.

[furyk]

Atleast it's for a "optional" toy rather then some needed resource like water or food.

True. God forbid we have a real shortge on something people need to survive. If this indicates anything, the ensuing chaos would send the country into complete anarchy.

[daroga]

I went to my local Walmart last night to check out the midnight sales. They had 4 systems and 6 raincheks to sell. I think every single person there, raincheck or system, bought at least one game and most got a sports game, Resistance, and an extra controller. Granted, they could be just trying to hock an "all-in-one" bundle on eBay but I truly believe that all of those people were buying them to play them, which made me happy. Just remember, OP, not everyone buying one is a jerk. Many are, but not everyone.

[Michaellvortega]

Besides that fact that 6 out of 8 people in my line where EB hoarders EVERYONE took care of each other, I handed out heating pads to people who where cold or didn't have a tent setup. The Ebay hoarders(a entire family) bought pizza, soda and crazy bread for EVERYONE. The last person in line and his friend who waited with him handed out candy and helped me put up my tent. Some of America might have gone Bizzaro world for a day buy I enjoyed myself in a much simpler time known as Midwestern values. I did find it funny that a local Walmart manager decided to put out 10 lawn chairs representing the 10 systems he had and telling waiters that who ever sat in a chair got resulting in a head injury to some young man. I guess Midwestern values can't stop stupidity.

[jalu6]

I am a full time student living in a teacher income home. It worked out in a way were I missed only one class and it didn't affect anything around me. Also my profit is not going to be used on frivilous items, I plan on paying off my systems on my credit card, paying off dental bills which total close to $3000, and finally use some for Christmas presents for loved ones. Everyday you are charged ungodly amounts for items in your home that you probably have no clue of what the true cost is. Sure not everyone has 38+ hours to burn, but if you do and you can benefit from it by waiting for a highly sought after item then more power to that individual. For all those upset about what is happening why don't you write your congressman or woman and fill them in. All I ever see is people bitch and whine about this on forums and that is the extent of it. Use this passion you have and do something about it until then I will take advantage of the opurtunities that present themselves and continue to similar response down the road.

Honestly, once you have one in your house, I really couldn't care less what you do with it. Someone I don't know selling a product I don't want to another individual I don't know won't get me contacting my local congressman.

But bragging on a message board about how you had the "dedication" to spend 38 hours outside makes you sound much less like a guy trying to make up for not properly flossing and much more like someone who is trying to somehow suggest that people who have actual jobs, families and responsibilities should have neglected all that to purchase a video game console.

[whoknows]

Well, I for one am sitting here now and enjoying Resistance to it's fullest. Haven't tried online yet, but if someone wants to set up a game then PM me.

[pimpinc333]

I am a full time student living in a teacher income home. It worked out in a way were I missed only one class and it didn't affect anything around me. Also my profit is not going to be used on frivilous items, I plan on paying off my systems on my credit card, paying off dental bills which total close to $3000, and finally use some for Christmas presents for loved ones. Everyday you are charged ungodly amounts for items in your home that you probably have no clue of what the true cost is. Sure not everyone has 38+ hours to burn, but if you do and you can benefit from it by waiting for a highly sought after item then more power to that individual. For all those upset about what is happening why don't you write your congressman or woman and fill them in. All I ever see is people bitch and whine about this on forums and that is the extent of it. Use this passion you have and do something about it until then I will take advantage of the opurtunities that present themselves and continue to similar response down the road.

If you have 3K Dental bills you must really had some shitty teeth. Brushing/Flosing your teeth everyday FTW!

[Metal Boss]

Well, I for one am sitting here now and enjoying Resistance to it's fullest. Haven't tried online yet, but if someone wants to set up a game then PM me.


congratulations on getting the system.

[paz9x]

pusssy

[strayfoxx]

Most ebayers arent as "connected" with info as most CAG's. If a person truly wanted one they just had to check CAG every night, see when the pre-orders started, and get there early. Thats about it.

Due to following this exact same procedure, I am currently enjoying Resistance until I have to work on a grad school essay.

[neudog]

Honestly, once you have one in your house, I really couldn't care less what you do with it. Someone I don't know selling a product I don't want to another individual I don't know won't get me contacting my local congressman.

But bragging on a message board about how you had the "dedication" to spend 38 hours outside makes you sound much less like a guy trying to make up for not properly flossing and much more like someone who is trying to somehow suggest that people who have actual jobs, families and responsibilities should have neglected all that to purchase a video game console.

I'm not implying this, but if that is how you want to take it go right ahead. I'm simply saying if you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. I could give a flying fuck about your views on life and how this takes away from family, work, etc. Obviously you're restricted by your lifestyle at the moment and I'm not hence me purchasing 2 PS3's and you purchasing ZERO.

Also why even comment on this in the first place. I'm guessing you're one of those Economist that graduated at the bottom of their class. Even the dumbest economist knows how this cycle works. Ever here of the SUPPLY & DEMAND THEORY? That was something you probably slept through in Basic Econ. I never thought I'd find the Perfect CAG who embodies everything good in this world, but today that day has come:rofl:

If you have 3K Dental bills you must really had some shitty teeth. Brushing/Flosing your teeth everyday FTW!

As for you TOOTH FAIRY I have perfect teeth minus the one that the military screwed me on. I had one of my front teeth pulled prior to deploying to Iraq. Upon return I was told that due to my ETS date, Expiration of Term of Service, I would not be able to receive a dental implant from the Army. Now I have to pay out of pocket because insurance does not cover cosmetic work.

So for all you on your high horses continue to post your opinions, but know just as my opinion probably means nothing to you the same goes for me. All of you act if CAG's or anyone for that matter who sells a PS3 on eBay is taking food from the children of Somalia. Give me a fucking break. I'm guessing all of you have chosen the road less traveled and are living righteously, which makes you better than all the rest. Like I've stated before whining about it here does nothing for the masses. If you've got such a problem with this take it up with the companies or regulation organizations.

[MadFlava]

I picked up my PS3 preorder at EB this morning. I'm stuck at work and the thing is sitting in its box at my home :(

[David85]

I picked up my PS3 preorder at EB this morning. I'm stuck at work and the thing is sitting in its box at my home :(

What's your address again?

[darkrage]

communist.

[pimpinc333]

I'm not implying this, but if that is how you want to take it go right ahead. I'm simply saying if you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. I could give a flying fuck about your views on life and how this takes away from family, work, etc. Obviously you're restricted by your lifestyle at the moment and I'm not hence me purchasing 2 PS3's and you purchasing ZERO.

Also why even comment on this in the first place. I'm guessing you're one of those Economist that graduated at the bottom of their class. Even the dumbest economist knows how this cycle works. Ever here of the SUPPLY & DEMAND THEORY? That was something you probably slept through in Basic Econ. I never thought I'd find the Perfect CAG who embodies everything good in this world, but today that day has come:rofl:



As for you TOOTH FAIRY I have perfect teeth minus the one that the military screwed me on. I had one of my front teeth pulled prior to deploying to Iraq. Upon return I was told that due to my ETS date, Expiration of Term of Service, I would not be able to receive a dental implant from the Army. Now I have to pay out of pocket because insurance does not cover cosmetic work.

So for all you on your high horses continue to post your opinions, but know just as my opinion probably means nothing to you the same goes for me. All of you act if CAG's or anyone for that matter who sells a PS3 on eBay is taking food from the children of Somalia. Give me a fucking break. I'm guessing all of you have chosen the road less traveled and are living righteously, which makes you better than all the rest. Like I've stated before whining about it here does nothing for the masses. If you've got such a problem with this take it up with the companies or regulation organizations.

The military wouldn't have suggested to remove a perfectly good tooth. You went to the dentist and it was best for you to get that one shitty tooth of yours pulled. They did you a favor by removing it.

As for reselling of the PS3. I would have sold ONE also. Personally I value my time more then money. I love my Time and losing 48 hours of it to sit in a line while waiting to make moneyz is somthing I wouldn't like to do. Like I said though I would have sold ONE not two.

Also I don't hate on anyone who resells a PS3. I laugh at all of those who got home and created an Ebay account just to be turned down. Boy I wish I could see there faces when they got Owned.

[Zoglog]

Cry me a river saddlebags, figures you would make the most retarded post ever. Take your whining elsewhere

[A7las]

communist.


Hahaha... you'd think we were still in the fucking Cold War the way people throw that insult around.
Learn some history, and come back to 2006, before you go calling someone something you don't even understand.

[furyk]

Cry me a river saddlebags, figures you would make the most retarded post ever. Take your whining elsewhere

Like anybody gives a shit what you think.

[Puffa469]

Its simple economics.

If people can buy something and immediately turn around and sell it for 5-10x what they paid for it, everyone is gonna try to get in on that. I dont blame people for doing it. Hell, I took a walk over to the Sony Style store today to see if they had any left after I saw completed sales on ebay for 5,6,7 thousand dollars. Unless your financially well off enough that making $3+grand in one day doesnt appeal to you, you'd be a fool not to do it.

And as for the people who buy the ps3 on ebay for thousands, well they have enough money that they dont mind paying a premium for the convienance of not having to camp out in front of a store for days. You cant blame them either.

The only thing that amazes me is that any of this surprises anyone.

[furyk]

I don't think it surprises anyone at all, especially after the whole E-Bay madness with the 360 last year. The fact that I find this flat out disgusting doesn't mean I didn't expect it.

[gunm]

Here the thing:

The Thing: If you get your hands on a PS3 and you do not sell it on ebay you are insanse. They are going for thousands of dollars. If you sold one for a huge profit you could buy a PS3 for every room in your house once they become widely available.

I hate to say it, but I agree with that sentiment. The thing retails for $600. I've already been priced out of that market before it even hit ebay. I also can't fault people wanting to make money off of this because the tools are there.

At this point I really don't care about the scumbag or even-non scumbag resellers because it wasn't like I was going to get a launch system in the first place.

If this was the Wii on the other hand--a system I can actually afford--I'd be pissed.

[sunbound]

For some stupid reason, I thought taking off work at noon on the 16th would be early enough... seems I was at least 8 hrs too late. Oh well... the bad part was I have to use the $600 to pay bills, instead of the $1600 (I would have sold it for if I was lucky enough to get one, and someone offered it for that much).

I side with the student. Education is expensive... I have student loans and a reliable vehicle I need to pay off...

Geez... and people camping out for stuff they want isn’t anything new... hell, ask your parents if they ever camped out for concert tickets.... buying something you really can't keep, just have memories of.

And re-selling something really isn’t anything new either... every time you buy a used game from EBgames or something, you don’t think they are making a profit off the games? Hell, if you want to be pissed off at something, be pissed at the oil companies...

If you want to condemn people for scalping, imagine a guy who can barely afford food for his family, he takes out a loan for a few hundred bucks, sits in line for a few days (because he's unemployed), sells his PS3 for a few grand, geez, look he can now afford food for his family for quite some time.

When you fall off your high horse, I hope you land on your finger, anus first.

[judyjudyjudy]

Am I the only one who's sick of hearing sob stories? I mean, I find the whole hording/scalping/whatever thing just as annoying as anybody else, but what really gets to me is when people start talking about mouths to feed and bills to pay like it's some legit excuse to do whatever. Because, you know, they're the only person with mouths to feed and bills to pay. Give me a break.

[SithFran]

Why would you even need to wait 38 hours? I preordered mine at EB games and I'll pick it up after work today. I missed maybe 3 hours of work, but sick time covered that. If you plan things ahead of time, you can do amazing things. My buddy, on the other hand, waited over night at a K-Mart and got his.

So I was financially covered when I was preordering it, no one in my family was hurt, and it'll be going on Ebay. People are willing to pay, that's their issue. I smoke, I know it'll kill me, that's my issue to deal with, not the companies issue. People need to take responsibility for their actions. You don't like it? Well then there's better ways to get your message out there instead of posting online on a gaming website.

[Scorch]

Sounds like someone didn't get their PS3 to sell.

[Zoglog]

Like anybody gives a shit what you think.

Only you'd be pretentious enough to care about what others think. And the concensus so far is that you're a douche. congrats ;)

[jtkelly86]

I hope all these people get screwed over since most of the demand for sony's console was for people that want to turn around and supply it back to idiots. The people that pay thousands of dollars for a ps3 deserve to lose their money, they are stupid. It pisses me off that people waited for so long to make a quick buck, they're obviously people without real jobs that put it on their credit cards, but hey, that's capitalism. All they're doing is taking advantage, it just sucks that the true gamers have to suffer.
Then again, the first batch is going to be really buggy so you have to think that the people sellig it will buy one later on down the road. It just sucks that so many people had to get hurt and that stores were so disorganized that this happened. Sure, there are insurance issues about people camping in front of stores for days, but it turns out more orderly in the end.
It probably would have been safer if stores strictly did pre-orders like TRU and EB/Gamestop.

It just shows you how insane people will get for a couple thousand dollars. You can blame the sellers, but you can blame the stupid buyers just as much. The sellers are just capitalizing on the stupidity of the rich.
Maybe it's a good thing that the rich are funnelling money back to the poor that bought the console, but c'mon, most of the people selling the consoles on ebay have multiples so they are probably stacked in the cash department themselves.

My suggestion to buyers: Wait six months, save your dignity and your money.
My suggestion to sellers: You're ripping people off, you must have had no life to camp out for days, but hey, you're dedicated to making the quick buck, I don't like you, but at the end of the day, you'll be the one sitting back with a couple of G's in your pocket and I won't be. Just don't piss away the money you make, invest it in something for higher returns.

[sunbound]

"WHAAAA!!! I didn’t get a PS3 because of all the people who bought one just to sell it!"

Cry me a river. Look at all the people buying TMX Elmos just to sell them. Same thing... People scalp little kids toys, and people will scalp big kids toys... big deal.

I buy an apple for $0.05, shine it, and sell it for $0.10… really no different from “I at in line for two days, and made $1000 for my time. Simple equation; Time = $$$

Don’t pretend it’s some big moral issue because you didn’t get to play your little game. Deal with it. If your man enough to afford it, and your man enough to camp for it, your man enough to DEAL WITH IT!. "good and the bad".

Don’t you have more important stuff to bitch about?!

[mikeohara]

the incidents thread that I made and has been since stickied at the top of the forum is there to serve two purposes primarily.

1). It serves as a chilling reminder of what some people are willing to do to get their hands on a PS3. These incidents are describing people are willing to rob their fellow man and woman violently, inciting property damage and personal injury, even shoot at their fellow man and woman in attempts to get this system. Is every PS3 line like the ones that were in place in Fresno, CA (where a near full-blown riot took place), or the one in Putnam, CT (where someone was shot?) I don't think so. There have been many lines, including those in the towns surrounding the one I live in where there have been people waiting for a PS3 for the better part of a day or two with no problems at all. It's not a question of if someone dies trying to buy a PS3, it's a question of when and quite frankly, it makes me fucking sick to my stomach that people are willing to end the life of another person over this console.

2). The thread also serves as a reminder to always be careful, and none of us know when it'll be our time to depart this Earth and into the hands of whatever god we believe in (or don't believe in). Need further proof of that? Look up what happened to Mousin ... he wasn't in line for a PS3 or a Wii, it probably wasn't even his time to meet the higher power he believed in, but the intentions of one person ended his life at a young age.

If anything, the launch of the PS3 here in the Americas signifies exorbitant greed and there will be very big consequences as a direct result of today.

[sunbound]

The sellers are just capitalizing on the stupidity of the rich.

hey, isnt it about time this hapened? its a rare chance that the poor get to take advantage of a situation.

[jalu6]

I'm not implying this, but if that is how you want to take it go right ahead. I'm simply saying if you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it. I could give a flying fuck about your views on life and how this takes away from family, work, etc. Obviously you're restricted by your lifestyle at the moment and I'm not hence me purchasing 2 PS3's and you purchasing ZERO.

Also why even comment on this in the first place. I'm guessing you're one of those Economist that graduated at the bottom of their class. Even the dumbest economist knows how this cycle works. Ever here of the SUPPLY & DEMAND THEORY? That was something you probably slept through in Basic Econ. I never thought I'd find the Perfect CAG who embodies everything good in this world, but today that day has come:rofl:

Ugh. Great. Now you are going to have to make me teach a class. I'll try not to go too far over the head of some grunt who can't keep straight the number of teeth he has.

Yes, I've heard of supply and demand, but as I've said, I really don't give a shit what you do with the PS3s that you have acquired. If I was walking out of my office and saw one sitting on the sidewalk, I would probably pick it up and sell it also. However, that is not going to happen. Getting a PS3 takes effort, which brings me to what Economics is really about. Scarcity. The study of finite resources and how they are distributed.

In your case, this finite resource is time. You only have a certain number of hours in the day, week, month, whatever. You choose to spend 38 of those hours and lets say at least 3-4 more (to post, pack, and ship) aquiring and selling the PS3s. Thats about the work week for an average American. According to Kotaku.com, right now they are selling for $2600 on average making for nice clean profit of $2000 each. Not bad. Most people don't make anywhere near that in a work week.

But also included are the Opportunity Costs. What else could you have been doing in that 42 hours you are spending handling these PS3s? Could you have been furthering your education to eventually make more money in the long run? Could you have been spending time with your family? Could you have been researching Dental Insurance prices? Sure. You could have been doing all of these. What it comes down to is VALUE.

Like you said. Anyone could have gotten a PS3 if they wanted to. It wasn't about luck. It's more about Opportunity Cost. I, and most other people on these boards, find the Cost to be too far high to sit in front of Circuit City for 3 days. Your opportunity cost is far, far lower, since you clearly had nothing better to do, or you would not have been there.

So when you ask me why I post, I'll tell you this: I think on your first post you sounded like an douchebag, and laughing at people because they didn't get a PS3 only shows you as an uneducated person whom no one with a job that includes dental insurance envies.

[Trakan]

I don't buy non-Nintendo launch units anymore because of the bugs associated with them after launch. Flame me all you want because deep down I know I'm right.

You're not right. More launch units equals less demand. If Sony produces more units, people won't be interested in buying it just for the resell value. Nobody is forced to go and wait in line. People choose to. I agree that people should not be getting hurt or robbed over the thing, but that is on a case by case basis and is not happening everywhere. Nobody learned anything last year from the 360 launch as far as waiting 12+ hours only to go home empty-handed and nobody will this year. I'm not flaming you, but you ain't right.

[ViolentLee]

I see both sides of this issue. However, I'm not too fond of the holier-than-thou soap-boxing being done by the OP. The launch is over; let's put it behind us. We have no control over what others are going to do, and it's best not to let things bother you when you can't control them.

The OP comes off like he's bitching to make him self feel better -- akin to masturbating in front of PS3 resellers and spraying his self-righteous spunk all over their faces. Judge not lest ye be judged, yo.

[swetooth9]

SOMEONE didn't get a ps3 ;)

but seriously...ps3 isn't the only toy in the world...there are plenty of other gift ideas for xmas...if someone really wanted a ps3, they can wait for the next shipment or until the craze has died down just like the 360...you can find a 360 anywhere now...

[trq]

Whatever. I think scapling is pretty pathetic (we all have bills; some of us just chose not to screw someone else's holidays to ensure our own), and I hope that anyone playing eight grand for a PS2 feels like a jackass when they're readily available in a few months. It's like people don't know how to tell their kids they'll get it for a birthday instead of Chrismas.

But I reserve my real distaste for Sony. They knew full well how this would pan out, and depended on it to generate hype. They've planned on every news story of campers and scalpers and auctions for cheap publicity, and frankly, they deserve every bit of backlash they get.

[sunbound]

But I reserve my real distaste for Sony. They knew full well how this would pan out, and depended on it to generate hype. They've planned on every news story of campers and scalpers and auctions for cheap publicity, and frankly, they deserve every bit of backlash they get.How could they NOT know? I agree, they where counting on this. Sony is a smart company... they know how to sit up and take notice when something happens with their competitors, and they know how to manipulate the consumer.

If it wasn’t for the "gimmick" of the motion controlled WII-mote, I don’t think they would have incorporated it into their control design, and the same for the whole online community like XBL. for once, another company is copying off of Microsoft, instead of the other way around (how ironic). But then again, isn’t there an old saying about the best form of flattery?

A lot of people think that Sony’s given excuse for not having vibration isn’t true... I wonder if the low yields for the diode in the BR drive is just another one of their stories... meant to create this type of reaction

[David85]

Whatever. I think scapling is pretty pathetic (we all have bills; some of us just chose not to screw someone else's holidays to ensure our own), and I hope that anyone playing eight grand for a PS2 feels like a jackass when they're readily available in a few months. It's like people don't know how to tell their kids they'll get it for a birthday instead of Chrismas.

But I reserve my real distaste for Sony. They knew full well how this would pan out, and depended on it to generate hype. They've planned on every news story of campers and scalpers and auctions for cheap publicity, and frankly, they deserve every bit of backlash they get.

I agree, it reminds me when the Tickle Me Emlo 10 years ago were going for $30,000 and my grandma had one and didn't sell it! Grrr...

Anyways it is Sony's fault for fucking up once again, what a surprise, but they were not gonig to delay the launch, it's Christmas. This just makes them look more popular than ever when they really aren't.

And I agree, i hope the people paying $10,000 for a system feel like a dumbass when in 6 months there are enough systems and during those 6 months no great games come out. That said they sure are making the sellers very happy.

[gaelan]

http://www.nerdata.com/images/collection/Tissues.jpg (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TrBp-Y0zkuU7nM:http://www.nerdata.com/images/collection/Tissues.jpg)
for the OP

[anomynous]

this is a PATHETIC thread, TC, if someone wants to sell their PS3, they can. Stop crying about it

[Spades22]

LOL what kind of thread is this, so gay. "Mama with a baby carriage" or some crap was said in the first post. Well if that Mama hadn't raised such spoiled kids or just told her kids NO when they whined about getting a PS3, she wouldn't need to be standing out there. And those who shot and hurt others for a PS3 were in there for the money, so would it matter if someone who bought the PS3 to sell it or someone who bought it to play had actually gotten the PS3? No they'd be robbed either way. What a screwball thread.

[captainfrizo]

this is a PATHETIC thread, TC, if someone wants to sell their PS3, they can. Stop crying about it

Keep in mind you're dealing with pissed off Sony fanboys jealous that they couldn't get their hands on the console because they showed up too late to the store. There is no place for rationality/common sense in this thread.

[muffinman943]

wow, TC, please never post again. Seriously, this is a laughable thread. Its their system, they will do what they want to do with it. no need to whine all because you couldnt get a ps3

[neudog]

Ugh. Great. Now you are going to have to make me teach a class. I'll try not to go too far over the head of some grunt who can't keep straight the number of teeth he has.

Yes, I've heard of supply and demand, but as I've said, I really don't give a shit what you do with the PS3s that you have acquired. If I was walking out of my office and saw one sitting on the sidewalk, I would probably pick it up and sell it also. However, that is not going to happen. Getting a PS3 takes effort, which brings me to what Economics is really about. Scarcity. The study of finite resources and how they are distributed.

In your case, this finite resource is time. You only have a certain number of hours in the day, week, month, whatever. You choose to spend 38 of those hours and lets say at least 3-4 more (to post, pack, and ship) aquiring and selling the PS3s. Thats about the work week for an average American. According to Kotaku.com, right now they are selling for $2600 on average making for nice clean profit of $2000 each. Not bad. Most people don't make anywhere near that in a work week.

But also included are the Opportunity Costs. What else could you have been doing in that 42 hours you are spending handling these PS3s? Could you have been furthering your education to eventually make more money in the long run? Could you have been spending time with your family? Could you have been researching Dental Insurance prices? Sure. You could have been doing all of these. What it comes down to is VALUE.

Like you said. Anyone could have gotten a PS3 if they wanted to. It wasn't about luck. It's more about Opportunity Cost. I, and most other people on these boards, find the Cost to be too far high to sit in front of Circuit City for 3 days. Your opportunity cost is far, far lower, since you clearly had nothing better to do, or you would not have been there.

So when you ask me why I post, I'll tell you this: I think on your first post you sounded like an douchebag, and laughing at people because they didn't get a PS3 only shows you as an uneducated person whom no one with a job that includes dental insurance envies.

Why thank you Professor NO NUTS ... um um... can you pwease wipee my assa... duh.. cause I'm justa gunt fum da mddel ub da US uv A. Fuck you prick. Sure I messed with your "Economist" label in your profile, but you don't have a fucking clue as to what I did in the military. Is that how you view the people that protect your freedoms? I'll be sure to put in a good word for you if I ever run for office. Also no one needs to here your pathetic Teacher's Aid rendition of Oppurtunity Cost. As for my original post it was directed at the OP and if you took offense you're an imbecile. Just stick to the things you think you know teaching Basic Econ. and First Grade Reading. You obviously just pick and choose what you want to see in posts because I never once stated that this act is more important than family or work dickwad and as far as my teeth are concern I cleary stated to pimpinc333 that Insurance does not cover cosmetic surgery. So please let your cock eyes have a rest, take a breather and return when you have useful info instead of some Community College gobbelty-guk.

[Spades22]

Is that how you view the people that protect your freedoms?

wth does that mean

[furyk]

You're not right. More launch units equals less demand. If Sony produces more units, people won't be interested in buying it just for the resell value. Nobody is forced to go and wait in line. People choose to. I agree that people should not be getting hurt or robbed over the thing, but that is on a case by case basis and is not happening everywhere. Nobody learned anything last year from the 360 launch as far as waiting 12+ hours only to go home empty-handed and nobody will this year. I'm not flaming you, but you ain't right.

I'm not right that Sony's first generation units are buggy as hell, or I'm not right in saying that the shit that has happened shows a very ugly side of people? I'm not saying that Sony is blameless in this situation. They should have delayed the launch until there would have been enough units to sell where stuff like this wouldn't have happened. Instead they screw over the consumer by cutting back systems multiple times, and doing a painfully small launch quadrupling the already high price.

I can't help that you all think I'm upset simply because I didn't get my PS3 (trust me, I really am ok with just getting a Wii). I also can't stop the people who did pre-order just to sell or camped out an extra 38 hours to snag a second or third system. Nothing I say can or will change that. All I know is that a fucking video game system caused some of the most hideous behavior that I have personally seen in a long time. I'm ashamed to be associated with video games as both someone who plays them and a member of the gaming press. I'm also hardly surprised that the vast majority of the flames (not you Trakan) are coming from some of the biggest trolls on the board.

[Apossum]

wth does that mean


you wouldn't understand, canadian.


:lol:

[Spades22]

Haha, hey I don't think soldiers are bad guys or anything, it's just he seemed like he was shoving it in his face as if soldiers are better than anyone else.

[Apossum]

Haha, hey I don't think soldiers are bad guys or anything, it's just he seemed like he was shoving it in his face as if soldiers are better than anyone else.


it's cause the guy he was quoting called him a grunt...surefire way to piss off someone who went to war.

[screwkick]

People need to realize its a video game system, not food, air, and shelter.

It sure as hell isn't worth catching a heart attack over.

[crazytalkx]

Is there anybody that would seriously keep it rather than sell it at this point (current value, lack of games) if they had one? Well except for the Sony loyal.

Resistance and some crappy ports are not worth $600.

[Will]

Not that I give a fat babies dick one way or the other but who are we to judge someone that had the time to sit in line for hours on end to buy these and possibly flip em?

In Austin Tx there were two stories of people that were in line as groups and bought 1 to play and the others to flip to pay for the first. Sure its sick and it sucks but again, I dont care simply because I didnt want to take a chance on the first batches for glitch problems. Not worth the hassle at that price point.

[MadFlava]

People need to realize its a video game system, not food, air, and shelter.

It sure as hell isn't worth catching a heart attack over.

Right on, it look like a riot was about to happen at the Arundel Hills Mall in MD early this morning. Hundreds of people converged to the front of the Best Buy and 7-8 squad cars had to come in to bust it up.

[darkrage]

Hahaha... you'd think we were still in the fucking Cold War the way people throw that insult around.
Learn some history, and come back to 2006, before you go calling someone something you don't even understand.

I understand communism perfectly. The funny thing is that you took it as an insult. The word should have a nuetral meaning to someone as educated as you. The point is that what he is complaining about is capitalism at its fiercest. What he wants is communism at its ideal. So what he said was pretty socialistic, wouldn't you think?

[gaelan]

i guess the OP will really whine after watching this video (http://smashmyps3.com/)

[kujustin]

How am I insane for keeping a PS3? People are insane for buying them for 8-10 grand.

Dude, are you kidding? You do realize keeping one and buying one from eBay are the same right?

In either case you have a PS3 but $3,000 less than you would have if you didn't have a PS3, that's why it's the same.

[furyk]

i guess the OP will really whine after watching this video (http://smashmyps3.com/)

One smashed unit = one less unit on E-Bay. Though it is rather hypocritical he bought a second one to E-Bay.

[screwkick]

i guess the OP will really whine after watching this video (http://smashmyps3.com/)

Some guy did the same thing at the 360 launch. He threw it out a car window as he drove by the line of people waiting to get theirs. Priceless.

[jalu6]

Why thank you Professor NO NUTS ... um um... can you pwease wipee my assa... duh.. cause I'm justa gunt fum da mddel ub da US uv A. Fuck you prick. Sure I messed with your "Economist" label in your profile, but you don't have a fucking clue as to what I did in the military. Is that how you view the people that protect your freedoms? I'll be sure to put in a good word for you if I ever run for office. Also no one needs to here your pathetic Teacher's Aid rendition of Oppurtunity Cost. As for my original post it was directed at the OP and if you took offense you're an imbecile. Just stick to the things you think you know teaching Basic Econ. and First Grade Reading. You obviously just pick and choose what you want to see in posts because I never once stated that this act is more important than family or work dickwad and as far as my teeth are concern I cleary stated to pimpinc333 that Insurance does not cover cosmetic surgery. So please let your cock eyes have a rest, take a breather and return when you have useful info instead of some Community College gobbelty-guk.

I honestly don't know how to respond. Amid all this name-calling, poor language and worse grammar, you haven't been able to contradict anything I've said. Your original post may have been directed to the OP, but this is a public forum, and you really should have expected some sort of reply, just as I expected one from you.

Also, your military career doesn't really matter to me, just as my job as a market analyst for a trading company probably doesn't matter to you (I'm not a teacher). So I hope you don't use that "how you view people who protect your freedoms" in too many situations, because really, this is still a video game forum discussing the release of a console, we're not exactly burning flags in front of the Pentagon.

[wbc1228]

Dude, are you kidding? You do realize keeping one and buying one from eBay are the same right?

In either case you have a PS3 but $3,000 less than you would have if you didn't have a PS3, that's why it's the same.

ok.........
You do realize if you sell your house (and anything else that might have appreciated) and live on the street, you'll get $$$$$ for it too!!
Here is another helpful hint for you.
Don't waste money on food.
You'll only poop it out a few hours later.

[Pancake Rabbit]

i guess the OP will really whine after watching this video (http://smashmyps3.com/)

I like how no one even cares about those guys anymore.

"HEY LOOK I'M SMASHING A PS3"

"What? ....eh whatever, I'm selling mine for 2500 bucks tomorow"

"BUT GUYS LOOK IM SMASHING A PS3 I MUST BE CRAZY!!!"

[schuerm26]

Right on, it look like a riot was about to happen at the Arundel Hills Mall in MD early this morning. Hundreds of people converged to the front of the Best Buy and 7-8 squad cars had to come in to bust it up.

What I seriously don't understand is. How bad are the managers of these stores? Everyone who has half a brain knew what was going to happen if you didn't have any organization. If you only have 20 systems (or whatever number), how hard is it to organize it so ONLY 20 people are expecting it in the morning. Hand out numbers, whatever. The managers of these stores are as much to blame as anyone else in these situations.

As the someone else posted. A walmart he went to had 12 chairs set up and let them watch movies. Very simple, and a hell of a lot more organized. How difficult is that?

[MrSneis]

The profits I make are going straight to my credit card bills which I am too poor and too hard pressed to pay off, this is an accumulation of all sorts of expenses related to being a poor full time student working 2 jobs and with very little support from my family.

I have been a hardcore gamer since day one, I love to play games just as much as any of you and I would at the drop of a hat pay premiums to get those gems of titles that are harder to find just to display them.

It breaks my heart when someone rips on what it is we've done as if we are responsible for killing gaming; I love gaming, but at the same time I need to survive, it's more or less a balance of what one deems morally sound and financially savvy. It seems some of us are having a hard time coming to terms with this balance and point the blame at others for outbreaks of violence, censorship, or price gouging.

It also breaks my heart that there are those of us that would try to steal from another or harm another for financial gain, hell my car was recently broken into and I lost $600 of audio gear that was extremely important to what I do. CNN will play it all day to make it seem like society has collapsed which is a crock of crap, most any edumacated persons can attest to that.

When I camped outside for the 28+ hours I met some genuinely nice and very cool people who were more than willing to help each other out with food, blankets, conversation, and entertainment. All in all it was a very cool experience and my first time ever camping out for something; I will do it again if I have the time.

Sorry for the novel; I'm just trying to defend what I've done and what others are doing. Stop for a minute and rationalize the situation to yourself: No one here is killing gaming.

Also for what it's worth it seems my system is up on ebay and still has not gotten any bids, there's only a few hours left now too :(

[JJSP]

Who camps?

I woke up an extra half hour early last month and pre-ordered at EB. Not a whole lotta cost on my part. Is it my fault if someone wants to pay me triple the street value for my system? Eff you if you're going to judge me when you're likely just butthurt that you couldn't get one.

[trq]

What I seriously don't understand is. How bad are the managers of these stores? Everyone who has half a brain knew what was going to happen if you didn't have any organization. If you only have 20 systems (or whatever number), how hard is it to organize it so ONLY 20 people are expecting it in the morning. Hand out numbers, whatever. The managers of these stores are as much to blame as anyone else in these situations.

As the someone else posted. A walmart he went to had 12 chairs set up and let them watch movies. Very simple, and a hell of a lot more organized. How difficult is that?

Yeah, that's a pretty good point.

[zzl365]

I don't seem to understand this argument. Supposing there were 150,000 units that sold today, the best possible end result according to the OP is that 150,000 units will go to "people who really care about video games." Suppose 75% of those purchased were being bought with intent to sell on ebay (112,500 units), only 37,500 are in the hands of "people who really care about the video games". BUT.... the 112,500 that WILL EVENTUALLY BE SOLD TO PEOPLE WHO DO "care about the video games", still results in 150,000 "people who care about video games" being in posession of a launch PS3 (correction 149,999, need to account for the one from smashmyps3.com). Yes, you could argue that their distribution is skewed entirely to the wealthy, but that's how it goes with a lot of things.

Additionally I would argue that Sony has already priced everyone below the upper middle class out of their market. Six hundred dollars is a lot of money for a toy, and a 600$ toy does not scream middle class to me. While most families COULD afford a $600 console, it would be irresponsible if it meant making certain types of sacrifices. Also, it would be irresponsible to turn down $3000 on a $600 purchase for most middle class families.

[Zen Davis]

Damn commies.

[dallow]

All 6 PS3's sold at my Target were eBay PS3s. None of had any shame about it, we have things to pay for. Just because pearls are free at the bottom of the ocean, doesn't mean they should be free in jewelry stores.

[neudog]

I honestly don't know how to respond. Amid all this name-calling, poor language and worse grammar, you haven't been able to contradict anything I've said. Your original post may have been directed to the OP, but this is a public forum, and you really should have expected some sort of reply, just as I expected one from you.

Also, your military career doesn't really matter to me, just as my job as a market analyst for a trading company probably doesn't matter to you (I'm not a teacher). So I hope you don't use that "how you view people who protect your freedoms" in too many situations, because really, this is still a video game forum discussing the release of a console, we're not exactly burning flags in front of the Pentagon.

HYPOCRITE! GET YOUR HYPOCRITE HERE! You end your response about this being a video game forum to discuss "Video Games", yet you want to give anyone reading a lesson in Economics and the meaning of oppurtunity cost. Keep your slanted comments on wallstreet asshole. No one ever stated on here that time spent in line was more valuable than time spent elsewhere. Also not all of us are big ol' market analyst, which means our way of living is totally different. You would think someone with your supposed intelect, seeing as how you're qualified to be an Economics teacher and English teacher, would know that a family income comprised of a full time student and a teacher doesn't have the most luxurious lifestyle. Also it is ironic that you question or scold anyone for their actions when you know that this shit happens all the time in your line of work. As for the "protecting freedoms" you obviously didn't heed my advice and adjust that one fucked up cock-eye and understand what you read. You are so educated in all realms of life, yet you think all service men and women are grunts. For shame sad little man. So if you want to live an enlightened, moral lifestyle that is fine with me Ghandi, but don't question and attempt to shed light on anything here because your words amount to nothing more than a pile of manure.

All 6 PS3's sold at my Target were eBay PS3s. None of had any shame about it, we have things to pay for. Just because pearls are free at the bottom of the ocean, doesn't mean they should be free in jewelry stores.

Simple and straight to the point. Well stated dallow.

[Lauryn2000]

Ever seen a Cabbage Patch Doll,Tickle Me Elmo or Furby doll launch??

Same crap just a different group....you really don't want to be up against
this group when a "new doll" is coming out for the holidays.

IMHO if you stand outside a retail store with hundreds of dollars in your pocket,
for 2-4 days in advance.....does anyone ever think that the criminals are thinking
the same thing......mmmmmmmm 15-400 people on line...how many of them are
carrying hard cash.....and how many can we hit??

And they're "gamers"................ these fools aren't packing any weapons.

Kudos to the "gamers" that got jumped trying to get into their cars with their PS3's
One of them stabbed the would-be-robber.........screwed with a "gangsta gamer".:applause:

[Skelah]

Comparing the ps3 to a hot toy of the moment isnt the same.
A 20 dollar toy compared to a 600 dollar system? Everyone would like to make thousands off a ps3.

I agree with the person who started this thread..

microsoft didnt have to launch a small amount of units
Neither did ps3 if you cared for your consumer why not push the date back and complete the order atleast get a large portion of the demand..

They want people to scramble when ps3s get back into the store all those people that witnessed the hype 'us' go like 'wow i can finaly get one of those'
instead of 'i might go pick one up later when its cheaper'.

I bet its a great selling tool to taunt the consumer .
The sad part is kids are realy let down.

OR how about these companys tell everyone 'were shipping millions of units demand will be met dont fall for thousand dollar pre order bundles and non retail resellers'.
^just them saying that pubicly alone even if they lied would fix this problem.

[jalu6]

HYPOCRITE! GET YOUR HYPOCRITE HERE! You end your response about this being a video game forum to discuss "Video Games", yet you want to give anyone reading a lesson in Economics and the meaning of oppurtunity cost. Keep your slanted comments on wallstreet asshole. No one ever stated on here that time spent in line was more valuable than time spent elsewhere. Also not all of us are big ol' market analyst, which means our way of living is totally different. You would think someone with your supposed intelect, seeing as how you're qualified to be an Economics teacher and English teacher, would know that a family income comprised of a full time student and a teacher doesn't have the most luxurious lifestyle. Also it is ironic that you question or scold anyone for their actions when you know that this shit happens all the time in your line of work. As for the "protecting freedoms" you obviously didn't heed my advice and adjust that one fucked up cock-eye and understand what you read. You are so educated in all realms of life, yet you think all service men and women are grunts. For shame sad little man. So if you want to live an enlightened, moral lifestyle that is fine with me Ghandi, but don't question and attempt to shed light on anything here because your words amount to nothing more than a pile of manure.

For the love of God will you please go to dictionary.com and PLEASE look up how to spell the word "opportunity"? That's like the third time you did that. Also, you misspelled "intellect" which I suppose goes a long way to prove my point. But like I said, I'm not a teacher. And I don't think that all serviceman and women are grunts. In fact, I knew enough about it that calling you one would do a fine job of pissing you off, and it looks like I was right.

But whatever, I'm done with this thread now. This has gone on far too long anyway. So if you haven't already, go sell your PS3s that you had the "dedication" to go acquire. I hope they sell for above market value and you make more than enough money to pay for your tuition for the next 6 or 7 years, or however long it takes you to get that Associates Degree you are after.

Good Luck.

[Spades22]

Kids let down? Hmm if that's the argument you'd be silly to feel bad. They shouldn't be playing games like Resistance anyway, and they aren't getting sonic anymore, at least not at launch. If they want sonic they can get a 360 or if they want even more fun games for children, a Wii.

[David85]

Ever seen a Cabbage Patch Doll


So you are saying just buy a fake PS3? For every true toy you just buy a ripoff one and the kid never knows.

[neudog]

For the love of God will you please go to dictionary.com and PLEASE look up how to spell the word "opportunity"? That's like the third time you did that. Also, you misspelled "intellect" which I suppose goes a long way to prove my point. But like I said, I'm not a teacher. And I don't think that all serviceman and women are grunts. In fact, I knew enough about it that calling you one would do a fine job of pissing you off, and it looks like I was right.

But whatever, I'm done with this thread now. This has gone on far too long anyway. So if you haven't already, go sell your PS3s that you had the "dedication" to go acquire. I hope they sell for above market value and you make more than enough money to pay for your tuition for the next 6 or 7 years, or however long it takes you to get that Associates Degree you are after.

Good Luck.

Just as grunt set me off I purposely prod at you about teaching and mispell things to get under your skin. I think someone is way too anal when it comes to spelling. This is a message board where people use acronyms and mispelled words on a daily bases. As for the education aspect we all can't print out our certificates and declare ourselves bonified Market Analyst's. Regardless of how you defend your argument, it is jealousy that fuels your motivation to counter everything I post. So sad that a Market Analyst couldn't get his hands on a system... oh wait that's right if you spent time in line you wouldn't get a paycheck, then you couldn't pay the bills and of course that leads to no food and no home... man for some reason I stood in line, still have a happy family and my bills are still being paid. I'm so happy you understand oppurtunity cost because unlike me you can be in a warm home eating Peking Duck and driving your H3. Your opinion is absolutely irrelevant to the topic. Anyone who stood in line subconciously knows about oppurtunity cost and they weighed out their choices. As you can see many realized the plus side and leaned more towards the PS3. I look forward to your counter point seeing as how you're one of those vain pricks that has to always be right and have the last word. Maybe this ol' Kuntry boi kan teech yu sumtin... oops eye spelld Cuntry rong :rofl:

[Will]

I think some people need to get laid.