Gorilla Monsoon's wrestling topic

[Zenithian Legend]

Will you stop!

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/g/gorillamonsoon/10.jpg

Say hello to Robert "Gino" Marella.

Despite spending the majority of his in-ring career as a vicious heel, Monsoon was easily the best face announcer ever, having great success teamed with both Jesse Ventura and then with Bobby Heenan.


Monsoon bios:

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Monsoon)
WWE Hall of Fame (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/halloffame/gorillamonsoon/profile/)
Obsessed with Wrestling (http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/g/gorilla-monsoon.html)

I really think it's a damn shame that so many of today's wrestling fans never got to listen to Monsoon. The way Gorilla called a match puts guys like Joey Styles, Michael Cole and anyone WCW ever had to shame.

Many of today's fans look at the tandem of JR and Lawler, and think that's as good as it gets, boy are they sorely mistaken. Monsoon and Ventura set the standard, playing off each other like butter and toast. Then when Ventura left, Heenan did an excellent job filling in with Monsoon.

I can vividly remember Monsoon literally tossing Heenan out of the WWF, when Bobby was jumping ship to WCW. Gorilla scooped Heenan up and threw him out the door of the arena! Little did I know that the reason these two men had such great on-screen chemistry was because off-screen they were best friends. It was difficult to watch Heenan choking up during his Hall of Fame induction speech as he wished his bestfriend could be there with him.

I only wish WWE would make a Legends DVD with some footage of his earlier matches.

[mykevermin]

Monsoon was never the same after Heenan left and his son passed away (I don't recall what order those happened in).

Then again, he was all up in that stupid "commissioner" storyline at that point anyway.

[Roufuss]

[CENTER]Many of today's fans look at the tandem of JR and Lawler, and think that's as good as it gets, boy are they sorely mistaken. \

I want to punch those fans in the face.

[JimmieMac]

Put these in the OP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trclddaiA6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-TqmNBwqBY

[mykevermin]

So, any word on when Flash Funk's coming back?

The ECW book has gotten better, but sometimes feels tedious. A whole paragraph of results from show after show after show? Fine, tell me about significant feuds/matches. Don't waste my time telling me who Johnny Hotbody wrestled, because he never mattered.

It's interesting to see that the book has been more fair-handed to Shane Douglas' impact and involvement in ECW than the DVD was. Knowing he is persona non grata at WWE, I imagined he wouldn't get more than a passing mention in the book. So far, so good. Might be worth a $6 paperback purchase.

They need a fucking copyeditor. Shane Douglas was the WWE Television champion in 1993? a photo of "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert and Terry Funk that says "Sabu vs Funk?" A color photo of Tazz being double-teamed by the Public Enemy that say "Mikey Whipwreck double-teamed by Public Enemy?"

No I KNOW the WWE should hire me; whether or not I'd fit in on the booking committe (I wouldn't), I can at least copyedit better than whatever mental handicap that's doing it currently. GodDAMN what a maroon.

(Not a single mention of Raven, so far. Sorry Demoman, go get yourself a tissue).

[Zenithian Legend]

The Hardy Boyz opponent for ECW's ppv is rumored to be...


MNM!!!


That alone is reason to go to a local bar/b-dubs and watch the ppv.

[JaytheGamefan]

Crazy and Tajiri are another rumored team. In some sad wrestling news, Piper has lymphoma.

[guyver2077]

The Hardy Boyz opponent for ECW's ppv is rumored to be...


MNM!!!


That alone is reason to go to a local bar/b-dubs and watch the ppv.

hell yea i wish

[Brak]

Good choice for the thread.

[Sporadic]

In some sad wrestling news, Piper has lymphoma.

Fuck, that's suck.

Hopefully he'll beat it.

[Sporadic]

Looks like DX's legacy of burying everybody heel on the roster continues.

[guyver2077]

yes!!!
MNM

[Zenithian Legend]

In some sad wrestling news, Piper has lymphoma.

That's a disease that hits a little close to home for this horse. My uncle has battled both Hodgkin's and non-Hodkin's lymphoma off and on for the past 5 years now. It's not anything fun that's for sure. Hopefully they caught this earlier for Piper that he can beat it the first time and it doesn't keep coming back again, and again, and again, and again, and again...


Piper had these words for his fans, "It seems like I have been fighting someone, something, someplace, in some manner, my whole life. But this fight, is one I am gonna win!"

[2Fast]

Lymphoma is a bitch and a half. I can't even count how many times my aunt has had to fight it off.

On a lighter note, I'm glad Victoria won.

[Zenithian Legend]

F*ck you WWE creative, Nick Dinsmore is clearly one of the most talented guys to come along in a long time: he can work the mic (even as a retard), he can work a match, busting out tons of classic moves, using them correctly no less, and it's a damn shame that he got saddled with one of the worst gimmicks ever.

[CaseyRyback]

That was one of the worst matches in recent memory. I like Hacksaw (not including him in SvR really gets to me) and Dinsmore is a good worker, but they need to get him to ditch the retard gimmick quick. Hell they made Chavo a freaking white guy so why not do something with Dinsmore.

[Francis]

Piper's Pit at WM 24 will have such a huge pop from the crowd that it'll make Hogan cry in a fit of jealousy.

I hope.

Anyays on the topic of Gorilla, I remember when I found out that he was actually a pro wrestler before becoming an announcer. For some reason I was almost as surprised by that fact as when I found out Vince Mcmahon owned WWF. I don't even know why, but I just couldn't see him wrestling especially as a heel. He and Heenan were the best together though, apart they just weren't the same.

[CaseyRyback]

Just like Cena running to the ring too late, why in the hell didn't the Hardy's come out to stop Rated RKO?

[getmeoutofjoliet]

Candice injured

November 27, 2006

Candice (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/candice/) Michelle suffered a serious nose injury during the Women's Battle Royal tonight on Raw. Near the end of the match, Victoria (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/victoria/) delivered a vicious kick to the face of Candice. WWE's Dr. Rios says Candice will see a specialist tomorrow for a consultation to determine if surgery is needed.

Victoria FTW!!11one

[mykevermin]

That attack on Flair was a good segment. Damn good segment. That sells PPV shows. Not dropping shit on someone. Or Dick Johnson.

I'm confused by the "deliver to OVW" sticker on the case they shipped out the Spirit Squad in. The WWE loves to mock the smart mark fan, yet they're the only kind of fan who would understand what that means, and the hi-larious implications that Trips and HBK run the show, with this segment's not-at-all subtle undertone that "here lie another group of people sent away because DX refuses to put anyone over." On another note, Arn Anderson looked awfully excited by the prospect of booze.

Ron Simmons is funny, sure...but is it so funny that you feel you *have to* tune in to check it out? Oh. Thought so.

Funny seeing Mercury with his Jane Child hair extensions; just this morning I was skimming through OVW tv from this week, and he had short hair, while loveable redneck "Fearless" Jack Bull had pissed all over Mercury's fur coat when Mercury was in the shower. Just delightful. :roll:

EDIT: I'll have to go check out Candace getting pummeled in the maw. I hope it's on camera.

[Zenithian Legend]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/325276811

That's right Lita, if I ever see you again, I'll make sure you never forget you screwed Matt! She basically admits she left because she couldn't take the criticism anymore for what she did with Edge. What a weak b*tch.

[Zenithian Legend]

WWE has reached a new level of stupidity...

[Francis]

Hopefully next week Vince gets a big boot in the face for dropping the N word on that PPV a while back.

I liked the kick to the head though, looked real good.

[mykevermin]

Looks like I missed out on an awful segment when scrolling back in Tivo to see Candace get plowed in the face. Victoria gave her a roundhouse kick to the face while she was on the ring apron and Candace standing just on the inside of the ropes. Candace screamed pretty loud, and Mickie elicited a "JESUS!" and appeared to try to cover her headset mic and tell someone Candace was legit hurt. Ross intervened and saved the segment from breaking down.

Thanks Candace! Your sucking not only caused me great enjoyment, but also prevented me from seeing the WWE piggyback on yet another piece of pop culture bullshit!

I can see it now: WWE Royal Rumble: Michael Richards versus Kevin Federline in Hell in the Cell. They'll team up out of mutual respect after the fight, to plow through everyone in the WWE except DX. They'll job clean to DX at WrestleMania, and Triple H will win the Heavyweight title. Not that he'll work any match other than the tag, but it's not like pro wrestling is big on consistency anymore; why not just spontaneously award the title to someone else. Like based on their ability at tiddlywinks!

[getmeoutofjoliet]

For people that buy shopzone shirts (me) there's a poll for a new benoit shirt.

http://poll.wwe.com/benoitshirt3/

[Genocidal]

What a terrible spot for a commercial. Obviously the main event is going to last longer, but you don't cut to commercial when ANYONE is about to attempt their finisher.

[Brak]

Was anyone else wishing that Flair would crash the main event celebration, coated in blood and drunk with rage?

I say "wish" because we're dealing with the WWE, here, and we haven't seen that brand of Flair since the days of WCW.

And does anyone give a shit about Umaga? He's a lousy mega-heel.

[Zenithian Legend]

They'll job clean to DX at WrestleMania, and Triple H will win the Heavyweight title. Not that he'll work any match other than the tag, but it's not like pro wrestling is big on consistency anymore; why not just spontaneously award the title to someone else. Like based on their ability at tiddlywinks!

They already did this at Wrestlemania IX ;)

[mykevermin]

Was anyone else wishing that Flair would crash the main event celebration, coated in blood and drunk with rage?

I say "wish" because we're dealing with the WWE, here, and we haven't seen that brand of Flair since the days of WCW.

And does anyone give a shit about Umaga? He's a lousy mega-heel.

Of course not, but since they're giving him the 1990's WWF heel treatment (unbeaten until they face the champ), why not go through with it? When will that title match be (I didn't see the segment)? If it's at Raw, and not a PPV, it shows that WWE knows Umaga won't amount to squat. EDIT: To be fair, I don't give a shit about Cena, so it's fine that he feuds with Umaga...and he does need the kind of credibility beating an undefeated guy will bring...so two birds with one stone, I suppose.

I was watching the main event tonight, and it was fun wrestling. I wanted the Hardys to win. You could say I was emotionally sold on the match. But, the ending was just there. I wasn't mad at Edge for getting the intentional DQ. Why should I? The same shit happens every week on Raw. Interferences, run-ins, heels being heels anbd doing the things they do...it's just cliche at this point. It doesn't get me screaming at my TV demanding the Hardys get a rematch...and it doesn't make me care enough to pay $40 to see the rematch on PPV. I just don't care. I think the WWE should really focus on keeping dudes physically away from each other as the setup to a PPV. Four weeks of main event guy A and his tag partner, sub main event guy A versus main event guy B and sub main event guy B...that shit's been done for half a decade now. Try keeping two dudes away from each other for four weeks before their showdown. Let the fans' imaginations of a match sell it for them...don't give away the match for free for a month and expect them to pay for it. Goddamnit someone needs to hire me...and do so soon.

[Brak]

OWhen will that title match be (I didn't see the segment)?

Who cares? ;)

As for the main event, I didn't enjoy the pacing or feel any sparks with the whole Hardy Boys reunion. To be honest, because of - in my opinion - how bland the main event was, I was almost ready to bet that Flair would run-in, at some point during the match or after, and just go haywire.

Guess not.

Another missed opportunity!

Oh, and the commercial breaks were especially brutal tonight.

[Zenithian Legend]

We went over this a few times before, Myke, first we need to get that pilot on Fox.

[2Fast]

I thoroughly enjoyed the main event.

[Zenithian Legend]

I thoroughly enjoyed the main event.

I did too, but I doubt we're going to see something that would actually draw buys, such as a Hardyz vs MNM vs Team RKO vs DX in a TLC match at New Year's Revolution.

[Genocidal]

Just as long as they don't throw another Elimination Chamber at us. I like the match, but it's better as a once or MAYBE twice a year thing. On a side note, 3 PPVs in 4 weeks? Ridiculous.

[Zenithian Legend]

Just as long as they don't throw another Elimination Chamber at us. I like the match, but it's better as a once or MAYBE twice a year thing. On a side note, 3 PPVs in 4 weeks? Ridiculous.

See, Vince figures if he can't get the desired buyrate for 1 ppv per month, he'll just have 3 in that time span to get the total desired buyrate.

This has definitely helped business at the b-dubs by me!

[coolcolt]

So who do you think is going to win the elimination chamber match?

[Zenithian Legend]

Bobby Lashley

[Sporadic]

So who do you think is going to win the elimination chamber match?

I'm going with internet darling, CM Punk.

That pop he got during Survivor Series was massive and well he's the best choice since RVD/Sabu are still in the dog house.


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Man, Vicky fucked Candice up.

Candice Michelle suffered a serious nose injury during the Women's Battle Royal tonight on Raw. Near the end of the match, Victoria delivered a vicious kick to the face of Candice. WWE's Dr. Rios says Candice will see a specialist tomorrow for a consultation to determine if surgery is needed.

[Francis]

Besides the Elimination Chamber what else will be on the show?

I'm pretty sure Goldberg is going to win the elimination chamber, he has all the qualifications. He's big, he is a WWE product and in my opinion he's boring.

[VanillaGorilla]

That's what happens when you put clueless softcore porn stars in the ring with actual wrestlers. I'm banking on a seriousn injury during the Cena vs K-Fed match....try to guess who.

[Francis]

That's what happens when you put clueless softcore porn stars in the ring with actual wrestlers. I'm banking on a seriousn injury during the Cena vs K-Fed match....try to guess who.

Whoever it is, we all win.

[evilpenguin9000]

I gotta be frank, I'm not really a wrestling fan. But man I love the name Gorilla Monsoon. It's the best wrestling name ever. The Fortified Hooligan comes close, but Gorilla Monsoon takes it.

[JimmieMac]

I gotta be frank

You can't be Frank, Francis is already Frank, you should be Evil, since it's in your name and all.

[evilpenguin9000]

But Frank's such a badass, I wanna be him.

[Zenithian Legend]

Will you stop!

[Demolition Man]

I'll second with the Horseman. Please stop it. Otherwise I might have to sick good ole Lex Luger on you. And you won't like that..... ;)

[Zenithian Legend]

I'll second with the Horseman. Please stop it. Otherwise I might have to sick good ole Lex Luger on you. And you won't like that..... ;)

I think you missed the punchline...

[Demolition Man]

I think you missed the punchline...

There was a punchline? ;)

[hiccupleftovers]

I love dailymotion.com for my wrestling fix ever since Youtube said bye bye to the wrestling matches. Jeez. I just sat watching the infamous TLC match between the Hardy Boys, Dudley Boys, E & C where Lita, Rhyno, and Spike come in. I can't believe I could remember that match after all these years. Still remember the 20+ foot swanton bomb off a ladder onto rhyno who was on a table and the great midair connection spear by edge. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.

[Zenithian Legend]

There was a punchline? ;)

This is just a hunch, but you got into WWE after Monsoon was done announcing...:roll:

[Demolition Man]

This is just a hunch, but you got into WWE after Monsoon was done announcing...:roll:

*Whoosh* ;)

[JaytheGamefan]

Lashley is a near-lock for the chamber win, and I thought Raw was okay, with nothing special happening, but nothing truly horrible either.

[mykevermin]

*Whoosh* ;)

You're off the wrestling fan roll call for three weeks.

I'll third Lashley at the chamber. That's why I'm not ordering it (and they don't have any other matches announced saved for MNM vs Hardy Boyz, and of them only Joey Mercury was an ECW guy).

[onetrackmind]

Hearing about Piper is making me seriously depressed

[PhrostByte]

So who do you think is going to win the elimination chamber match?

Who do I want to win? RVD or Sabu... Well, RVD really.

Who do I think will win? Either Punk or Blackberg... leaning towards Blackberg.

Crazy scenario that could possibly happen and be awesome? Monty Brown prevents Punk or Blackberg from winning... and I guess Test wins.

[mykevermin]

If the Elimination Chamber isn't overbooked already, then having a run-in would surely put it over the edge.

They're clearly grooming Lashley to replace Show. Yech.

My final thoughts on the ECW book: it's alright. Poorly written (fucking ghost writers), redundant, and chock full of unnecessary tidbits (rundowns of whole shows, real names, birthdays, and hometowns of every fucking guy on the roster) strewn into the book. But, it does flesh out some of the remarkable events in ECW's history, making you wish the ECW dvd had included full clips of some of these.

On the positive side, the book and DVD remain the best ways to remember ECW, because both were done before the "relaunch" (but not ONS 2005).

[Demolition Man]

You're off the wrestling fan roll call for three weeks.

I was refering to a joke a page ago.

Therefore... I object to being off the wrestling fan roll call. :)

[Genocidal]

So we're gonna have 30 minutes of entrances, 30 minutes of video package, a 45 minute tag team match and a 1:15 elimination chamber? Sounds like a great Pay-Per-View. This show had a lot of potential, and then they decided to stop having guys like Dreamer, Sandman, and Balls on TV and threw the rest of their big name guys into one match. It's like WWE wants ECW to fail so that Vince can prove the ECW fans are just a vocal minority.

[2Fast]

I sorta think Test will win.

[mykevermin]

So we're gonna have 30 minutes of entrances, 30 minutes of video package, a 45 minute tag team match and a 1:15 elimination chamber? Sounds like a great Pay-Per-View. This show had a lot of potential, and then they decided to stop having guys like Dreamer, Sandman, and Balls on TV and threw the rest of their big name guys into one match. It's like WWE wants ECW to fail so that Vince can prove the ECW fans are just a vocal minority.

To be fair, old ECW PPV shows often had the first hour consist of unannounced matches (one after another: Simond Diamond getting beaten by Spike Dudley, who is beaten by Jazz, and the whole thing ends in a clusterfuck so everyone can have their spots). OTOH, they announced a good five or so matches for each PPV ahead of time. Two matches is just not excusable, and the PPV buyrate is gonna be dogshit, and then WWE will say fans aren't interested in ECW. They padded it with just enough Raw/SD guys (Lashley, Test, and Holly ain't ECW, darlins) that, if by some freakish chance it does well in terms of buys, they can give the WWE-bred dudes credit for it.

I want to be mad about it, but it's so typical that it's hard to be mad. Que sera. I'm having a good time reading about the Mass Transit incident anyway.

EDIT: Oh, crapola. They're setting up Lashley to be the underdog on Sunday. Remember how many of us lamented that "anyone" would be a better ECW champion than Big Show? Well, I, for one, admit I'm wrong.

[Sporadic]

Title around my waist and ECW on his back

Ah, that made my night Punk

[Zenithian Legend]

I had no clue the ecw ppv was this weekend... my poor fantasy team, not that anyone is playing that anymore, anyway, but still.

Seriously though, why would Vince schedule 2 ppvs back to back? Why not just get rid of Armageddon or something? Or combine this ecw ppv with SD for Armageddon.

Anything would be better than immediately following one of the big 4 ppvs with the ecw one the next weekend.

[mykevermin]

I don't really think there are the "big 4" anymore. WM is the big *1*, but other than that, statistically, buyrates are only marginally higher for the co-brand PPVs (the big 4) than they are for single rate PPVs.

As for the timing, I'm sure it's partly to do with other bookings on PPV and competition with them, as well as competition with the holidays. I don't see why Vince doesn't book a PPV every fucking Sunday, since they are so expensive as to guarantee a tidy profit even when buys are low.

ECW has been on since July, and yet they have two matches announced for the PPV this Sunday, the first since ONS. They're promoting the PPV like they do any old WWE show, which is the wrong way to go about it (first), and the timing of the Survivor Series has nothing to do with the fact that the ECW program has been spinning its wheels on so few guys for so long (second) that it has virtually no other talent to put in an announced PPV match, because they've been jobbed out or ignored so much as to render their ability to sell a PPV based on their appearance pointless (third, fourth, and fifth).

What, are you gonna buy D2D because Kevin Thorne is on it? Or Balls Mahoney? Maybe the FBI? Please. WWE has no faith in the ECW guys it has right now outside of the six in the main event, and the programming shows that apathy. It's one thing to be apathetic (that's fine), but when it shows through your work, you're in trouble. That's a lesson in general, and not one limited to the wrestling world. It's painfully obvious that WWE is trying to get you to pay $40 for a product they would otherwise forgot existed if left to their own devices. How can I get behind a show, or the guys on it, when the "ah, who gives a fuck" attitude the WWE shows on Tuesday nights shines through so clearly?

Sometimes the wrestling is fun to watch (the second half of Sabu/RVD). Other than that, though, you can see the exhaustion in the WWE writing staff in the program itself. It's like trying to read Stephen King after 1993 (beginning with Gerald's Game and continuing through *every* non-Dark Tower book published since then). At some point, you can't help but recognize that they're just going through the familiar motions again, just in order to remain popular and cash a paycheck. It's distressing, because (1) you feel a fool for giving them their money, and (2) you know, and secretly hope, that they're capable of much better work and that it will eventually become better (Respectively).

[JaytheGamefan]

The containment chambers being called "pods" now cracked me up to no end. This PPV is going to bomb, but if the Fly runs in during the main event, I'll at least buy the DVD, and hey, they're upholding the ECW tradition of announcing jack shit until the show starts. It's a shame they can't kill time with the traditional "Cyrus does something for half an hour that takes Gertner off the show" routine, but since it's a WWE PPV, I'm sure they'll have plenty of others ways to kill time. Maybe Sandman will kill Santa. Actually, that'd be pretty cool. Very cool. WWE - DO THAT!

Edit - Here's some cool stuff from the newest Figure 4 Weekly newsletter - Hunter tried to get Kelly Kelly to show her breasts. Knox got pissed and shoved Hunter. So Shawn immediately superkicked and pinned him. The following exchange then occurred, which I am not making up. “Who was that?” Shawn asked. “It’s a guy from ECW!” said HHH. Shawn asked: “Is he in the match?” Matt Hardy responded: “He was. He’s not now.” There you go, children. Mike Knox, 2006-2006. I shall shed no tears. I should note that this all stems from a real-life incident last week when Mike Knox’s name was brought up during a creative meeting, and Shawn suddenly asked: “Who’s Mike Knox?” I’m not making this up.

Cena came out. LOUD “CENA!” chants. Is this show taking place at a woman’s prison or something?

Here's a story regarding the $1 Wal-Mart wrestling DVDs - Regarding Vinny’s Grand Masters of Wrestling review last week, I should note that this DVD, due to its $1 price tag at Wal-Mart, is currently the number-two best selling DVD of all time, and this includes all WWE DVDs. At some point it’ll probably crack number one. The Mighty Maccabee, AKA Jeff Bukantz, is a wrestling fan from probably the Neolithic Period who also happens to be the Team Captain for the US Olympic Fencing Team. In 2004 at the Athens Games he lead the team to their first gold medal in 100 years, and the first medal of any kind since 1984. The wrestling deal was actually a fundraiser for the US Maccabiah Fencing Team, and while you can say what you will about the quality of the show and the wrestling, as a promoter he did a hell of a job because the show raised $30,000 for the team. He first met Ken Patera on January 25th, 1978 at the Orange Bowl in Florida when Patera worked the semi-main underneath Harley Race vs. WWWF Champion Billy Graham (they went to a one-hour draw in a best-of-three-falls match with Gorilla Monsoon and Eddie Graham as special referees). He worked as a broker for 20 years and at one point handled Ole Anderson’s account. They used to talk on the phone regularly, and apparently the calls would go 45 minutes and Bukantz would get about 3 words in. He also happened to work as a camp counselor for many years, and one of his campers in 1976 was a young fellow named Doug Herzog, who went on to become the current president of Spike TV. Bukantz did three wrestling shows total. Vince reviewed number two, and number three, taped in 1993, will be coming out on DVD sometime soon (and you thought the turnaround for UFC and PRIDE was slow). In the third show, he somehow managed to convince Killer Kowalski, at 68, to take a bump off the top rope, and there was also a Battle of the Claws with Baron Von Raschke. Sheik stayed at his house during the Grand Masters II weekend, and I believe offered to gig in the match for an extra $100.

[Genocidal]

To be fair, old ECW PPV shows often had the first hour consist of unannounced matches (one after another: Simond Diamond getting beaten by Spike Dudley, who is beaten by Jazz, and the whole thing ends in a clusterfuck so everyone can have their spots).True, but as you pointed out in the rest of your post, who do they even have to fill time with? At least back in the old ECW you knew that damn near everyone on the roster was at the very least entertaining and the crowd actually cared about them. I can't think of more than 5 or 6 guys that aren't in the chamber that I give a shit about, and the majority of those are jobbing or haven't been on TV in weeks.

[Scorch]

I took this pic a couple of days ago and forgot to post it. I saw the Bret Hart documentary at Hastings and the tagline on the price tag caught my eye..

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1217459773935818820mh5.jpg

That's an interesting way to spell "Bret Hart Documentary".

[Francis]

I really wonder what the DVD would have been like if Bret had not participated in it.

[mykevermin]

That's an old timey WWF fan makin' labels at Hastings. Nice.

"Who's Mike Knox?" You're not surprised it happened. And let's be honest, it's still HBK and HHH being who they are, but it's still damned funny.

[Zenithian Legend]

It's like trying to read Stephen King after 1993 (beginning with Gerald's Game and continuing through *every* non-Dark Tower book published since then). At some point, you can't help but recognize that they're just going through the familiar motions again, just in order to remain popular and cash a paycheck. It's distressing, because (1) you feel a fool for giving them their money, and (2) you know, and secretly hope, that they're capable of much better work and that it will eventually become better (Respectively).

I guess you passed on the Green Mile then?

[guyver2077]

i also cant believe they have only built up two matches for the ppv..

i think that is pathetic and obviously a sign of bad booking..

[KaneRobot]

Monsoon was the best face announcer ever? He wasn't even as good as WCW-era Jim Ross, let alone Gordon Solie or Lance Russell.

Monsoon's Colosseum Video overdubs of the mid 80's (which I'm guessing were done to remove any commentary from people they didn't want to pay royalties to ie Ventura) were like sleeping pills. He sounded like he was doing commentary while shot up with horse tranquilizers and locked in a 4x6 closet.

What I did like: while a lot of the Heenan stuff was funny, his stuff with Ventura was really good as well. The "once a year" (unless you had the MSG Network) Ventura - Monsoon team was part of the reason those first six Wrestlemanias felt like a special event.

*EDIT* - I can explain the Hastings label posted above ("WWE Screwed Bret Hart"), although it's strange that it was never fixed in the system. Originally, the Bret DVD was going to be called "Screwed: The Bret Hart Story" and it was going to be a Self-Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior-esque set that sort of tore him down. Once Bret agreed to come on board and help out with it, they changed the tone of the set to be more flattering. Factor in labels like that usually not including words like "the" "a" "an" etc and it makes sense.

[mykevermin]

:rofl:

After this Friday, there will be more matches known for the next SmackDown PPV than there will be for the ECW show on Sunday.

:rofl:

[Zenithian Legend]

:rofl:

After this Friday, there will be more matches known for the next SmackDown PPV than there will be for the ECW show on Sunday.

:rofl:

And what matches they are... sure these guys have fought each other 10 times in just about every other imagineable match, but dammit, this is only the second time ever that we'll be seeing an INFERNO MATCH!!! it's about time Kane set someone on fire, of course knowing WWE MVP will win. Although, his gay jumpsuit could be set on fire :hot: .

I just really hope they don't go ahead with the Batista vs Taker plans at WM, unless they're going to make Taker win. I don't care what anyone says about The Undertaker, no other wrestler has been as loyal to WWE for as long as he has, and given them as much as he has. If any one wrestler epitomizes the very essence of the WWE it's The Undertaker. For my money, The Undertaker gimmick was one of the most assine gimmicks ever, yet he somehow found a way to not only make it work, but make it work for over 15 years, and the fans still go nuts every time that gong sounds. Don't take the Wrestlemania Streak away from the Deadman.

Honestly, I think if they go ahead with the match, why not let Taker win the title at WM. Undertaker was rumored to be retiring years ago, and in reality he can't have much left in the tank. So, why not let him go out on top. Then retire to part-time status like Hogan & Foley.

[Sporadic]

And what matches they are... sure these guys have fought each other 10 times in just about every other imagineable match, but dammit, this is only the second time ever that we'll be seeing an INFERNO MATCH!!! it's about time Kane set someone on fire, of course knowing WWE MVP will win. Although, his gay jumpsuit could be set on fire :hot: .

Fourth.

[Zenithian Legend]

Fourth.

Seriously, I only recall one... meh, I'm a horse, not an elephant.


And I must add this, probably my most insensitive post ever, so if you're um, sensitive, probably best you don't read this, less you think less of me, but damn it needs to be said. Why does Piper have to get cancer, why not someone like Bubba Dudley? I actually had the misfortune of meeting the guy face to face in an airport, and wanted to fight him right then. Unfortunately I was only 18, and hadn't quite "filled-out" so to speak. I knew he was a dick from that incident alone, but I had no idea how bad he really was until I watched the Rise & Fall of ECW DVD today. Telling a woman she taught her daughter to suck dick, right to their faces? Slapping a guy's beer in his face, and then backing off telling him to "take a shot" I mean what a pussy, if you're gonna f*ck with the fans, and you're Mr. Tough Guy wrestler, at least stand within striking distance and take what ya got coming to you instead of hiding behind security. That fan would've killed Bubba, pity he didn't. Anyway, if Bubba ever does die young, or at the very least get some incurable disease, I swear to God, I'm not making a tribute topic, but a celebration topic damning that motherf*cker straight to hell. Same goes for The Godfather, f*ck him too.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Sporadic]

Seriously, I only recall one... meh, I'm a horse, not an elephant.

Undertaker Vs Kane I
Undertaker Vs Kane II
HHH Vs Kane


And I must add this, probably my most insensitive post ever, so if you're um, sensitive, probably best you don't read this, less you think less of me, but damn it needs to be said. Why does Piper have to get cancer, why not someone like Bubba Dudley? I actually had the misfortune of meeting the guy face to face in an airport, and wanted to fight him right then. Unfortunately I was only 18, and hadn't quite "filled-out" so to speak. I knew he was a dick from that incident alone, but I had no idea how bad he really was until I watched the Rise & Fall of ECW DVD today. Telling a woman she taught her daughter to suck dick, right to their faces? Slapping a guy's beer in his face, and then backing off telling him to "take a shot" I mean what a pussy, if you're gonna f*ck with the fans, and you're Mr. Tough Guy wrestler, at least stand within striking distance and take what ya got coming to you instead of hiding behind security. That fan would've killed Bubba, pity he didn't. Anyway, if Bubba ever does die young, or at the very least get some incurable disease, I swear to God, I'm not making a tribute topic, but a celebration topic damning that motherf*cker straight to hell. Same goes for The Godfather, f*ck him too.


To be fair all of those incidents happened while he was in character.

[mykevermin]

And it's not as if Piper is a saint. I'm not saying he deserves anything, but it's amazing that he's battling nature instead of a coke-induced heart condition.

[2Fast]

Seriously, I only recall one... meh, I'm a horse, not an elephant.


And I must add this, probably my most insensitive post ever, so if you're um, sensitive, probably best you don't read this, less you think less of me, but damn it needs to be said. Why does Piper have to get cancer, why not someone like Bubba Dudley? I actually had the misfortune of meeting the guy face to face in an airport, and wanted to fight him right then. Unfortunately I was only 18, and hadn't quite "filled-out" so to speak. I knew he was a dick from that incident alone, but I had no idea how bad he really was until I watched the Rise & Fall of ECW DVD today. Telling a woman she taught her daughter to suck dick, right to their faces? Slapping a guy's beer in his face, and then backing off telling him to "take a shot" I mean what a pussy, if you're gonna f*ck with the fans, and you're Mr. Tough Guy wrestler, at least stand within striking distance and take what ya got coming to you instead of hiding behind security. That fan would've killed Bubba, pity he didn't. Anyway, if Bubba ever does die young, or at the very least get some incurable disease, I swear to God, I'm not making a tribute topic, but a celebration topic damning that motherf*cker straight to hell. Same goes for The Godfather, f*ck him too.

And that's all I have to say about that.
All of that I can tolerate, but you crossed the line when you spoke ill of The Godfather[-(

[CaseyRyback]

The more they do with the VKM the more I enjoy it. I hope they show up at the building this sunday.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/

[Genocidal]

At least they're stealing an angle that's old enough for most people to have forgotten about it.

[Zenithian Legend]

Undertaker Vs Kane I
Undertaker Vs Kane II
HHH Vs Kane



To be fair all of those incidents happened while he was in character.

Not when I met him! I know I went overboard, but dammit...

Oh and Godfather I dislike because I watched as he swore at little kids, just not cool.

[Zenithian Legend]

And it's not as if Piper is a saint. I'm not saying he deserves anything, but it's amazing that he's battling nature instead of a coke-induced heart condition.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/i/ironsheik/08.jpg

[JaytheGamefan]

I'm sure WWE appreciates TNA's free advertising of their logo, their main tag team draw, and their ECW PPV. This whole "VKM" thing is so counterproductive to TNA right now that I hope WWE sues the shit out of them for the use of their trademarked logo on their TV show, and then this horrid angle gets dropped.

The Grand Masters of Wrestling promoter, Jeff Bukantz, did a Figure 4 Daily show, and revealed that Iron Sheik is a functional illiterate. He was good friends with Patera, and even called him every week in jail. Patera told him that Sheiky was certifiably insane, but Patera guaranteed him that he was functional. He tells a fantastic story about taking the wrestlers to an Italian restaurant and within 30 seconds, Sheiky had girls all over him, and then asked him to meet the head mafia guy in town that he knew, which terrified him. After eating dinner in the joint, Sheiky decided to order a 20 oz. steak. He also stayed at the promoter's house, made use of his "medicine", and his wife shot on the Sheik for making a ton of noise, forcing him to go to the basement. During his match with Sheiky, he accidentally sliced his head open with the mask, and Sheik wanted to kill him, but he hadn't been paid, so he relented. By '97, his knees and ankles were shot, forcing him to limp pretty badly.

He calls Bigelow a jerk, they were paying all the guys $500 cash, and that if fans paid $100, guys could get autographs and photos, and everyone signed and gave photos out but Bigelow wouldn't do it. He left after just doing a dozen or so photos, while everyone else, including an incredibly old Blassie were out there having fun.

Davey O' Hannen, a guy who didn't like his best friend, tried to get his show shut down by saying he didn't have a license, so he called Patera to solve the problem, and he did. Sheiky held him up for more money before the show, and he got $1,000 instead of the usual $500, and Kamala no-showed his flight. Jeff didn't mind paying the money, since he made so much. Sheiky's promo mesmerised the boys in the back, who were respectful of him, as he told a promo about the mighty intelligent Jews in Jersey. Jeff was fearful that Sheiky would drop him, since he'd never trained to bump. He wants to promote one more show, but his wife said that for him to do that, he'll have to do that in his next life.

Grand Masters Vol. 3 will be out soon, and he praises Ole for being nice to him in the back, and even letting him control his finances for 10 years since Bukantz was an investment broker. He feels that Ole didn't change with the times, but he was right about fans being desensitized to violence in wrestling. Jeff and his son also did a New York Rangers commercial, and that one ad was of just he and his kid arguing over him singing. For the Volume 3 show, Killer Kowalski did a top rope bump at 68 years of age off of a Baron Von Racshke claw.

He tells a fantastic story of Baron slipping down his steps, falling on his back, and then bragging that he didn't spill a drop of his beer. He told another story about taking his wife to a show on the wrong side of the tracks, and she said that it was the last time she was ever going to a show with him, and Jeff said he's amazed he hasn't been divorced yet. When he met Bruno Sammartino backstage at a WCW show, he told him aboiut seeing him live against Nikalai, and Bruno knew he was for real, so he wouldn't leave his side that entire night. Bruno is one of the few guys that fans never turned on, and that he always had something special in the eyes of the fans. He hypes up the Vol. 3 matches, including an Ace Darling lucha-style match that amazed people at the time. Bryan praises him for making $30,000 on his show, thus making him a better promoter than anyone in TNA.

[getmeoutofjoliet]

Michelle McCool hospitalized
By Zack Zeigler
November 28, 2006

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/inside/michelle120.jpgSmackDown (http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/) Diva Michelle McCool (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/michellemccool/) has been hospitalized for what she thought was general sickness and acute back pain. The decision to admit herself may have saved her life.
An ultrasound and other extensive tests revealed that McCool was suffering from an enlarged kidney and an electrolyte imbalance. The condition is severe enough that she has been hospitalized for over a week— including Thanksgiving, so far.
According to WWE Doctor Ferdinand Rios, had the condition been left untreated, McCool could have encountered other major health issues such as heart or kidney failure.
“Her condition was complicated by an electrolyte imbalance; sometimes those cannot be corrected immediately, and due to lack of sodium [in her body] she needed a lot of intravenous fluids,” said Rios.
During treatment McCool mentioned a singeing pain in her chest to her doctors.

“Michelle most likely suffered a fractured sternum from one of her matches where she may have been kicked in the chest,” explained Rios.
Rios said the support and well wishes McCool has received from her family and WWE fans has helped keep her upbeat and headed down the road to recovery. Without further complications, she should be home in time for the upcoming holiday season. “She’s getting better and is getting stronger, and at this time is free from infection,” Rios said. “When I spoke to her she was in good spirits.”
.

[thamaster24]

Ric Flair bleeds too much, everytime I watch RAW now, around the start of the 2nd hour, Flair starts bleeding... it better not happen again next week, cause if if does, I'm not watching anymore.

[mykevermin]

Michelle McCool story

Eh, I hope she gets fired after she comes back, just like Kanyon.

[Ugamer_X]

Ric Flair bleeds too much, everytime I watch RAW now, around the start of the 2nd hour, Flair starts bleeding... it better not happen again next week, cause if if does, I'm not watching anymore.
Apparently, he's going to be taking some time off to deal with his divorce.

So, you're in luck.

Or not.

[2Fast]

Apparently, he's going to be taking some time off to deal with his divorce.

So, you're in luck.

Or not.

I thought he was still wrestling to "deal" with his divorce, if ya' know what I mean.

[Roufuss]

Ric Flair bleeds too much, everytime I watch RAW now, around the start of the 2nd hour, Flair starts bleeding... it better not happen again next week, cause if if does, I'm not watching anymore.

I've been saying this for months now.... the guy blades himself to the extreme almost every match.

[GuilewasNK]

Lack of sodium? That's weird.

[Zenithian Legend]

So apparently that open challenged issued by the Hardyz has now been accepted by the VKM as well as MNM. There's an article over at TNA.com. Essentially Road Dogg and Billy Gunn are reproducing the angle in which DX went and "attacked" WCW. Very clever/witty/original!

Apparently Road Dogg believes that this is a match American wants to see! The only thing I want to see is the public execution of Road Dogg, now that he's popped back up onto my computer screen again. Cripes o' Friday, and I thought I was rid of him and his retarded family once and for all.

[Zenithian Legend]

http://poll.wwe.com/magpoll4/

I wish there something stupid like Farooq or someone like that, that's a fad at the moment and would be sure to win. Anyway, since there isn't why not vote for Benoit?

[mykevermin]

So apparently that open challenged issued by the Hardyz has now been accepted by the VKM as well as MNM. There's an article over at TNA.com. Essentially Road Dogg and Billy Gunn are reproducing the angle in which DX went and "attacked" WCW. Very clever/witty/original!

Apparently Road Dogg believes that this is a match American wants to see! The only thing I want to see is the public execution of Road Dogg, now that he's popped back up onto my computer screen again. Cripes o' Friday, and I thought I was rid of him and his retarded family once and for all.

Who's the man with the pen behind the scenes?

That's right, the same man with the pen behind the scenes during the invasion of WCW. It's fascinating that the whole "DX Invasion" evening, I don't think they showed a single WCW copyrighted property.

Anyway, this has people talking about TNA, and not in a "they made david arquette champion?!?!?" kind of way. I hope they show up outside the arena on Sunday and tape some footage. Wrestling fans know WWE is stale, and I'd say the only problem with this storyline is the two wrestlers involved in it.

[Zenithian Legend]

Who's the man with the pen behind the scenes?

That's right, the same man with the pen behind the scenes during the invasion of WCW. It's fascinating that the whole "DX Invasion" evening, I don't think they showed a single WCW copyrighted property.

Anyway, this has people talking about TNA, and not in a "they made david arquette champion?!?!?" kind of way. I hope they show up outside the arena on Sunday and tape some footage. Wrestling fans know WWE is stale, and I'd say the only problem with this storyline is the two wrestlers involved in it.

Oh God, that's right... :wall:

[PhrostByte]

The only thing I want to see is the public execution of Road Dogg, now that he's popped back up onto my computer screen again.

:rofl:

[Zenithian Legend]

:rofl:

Oh, it's me, it's me, it's that D-O, double

Shut the f*ck up, no seriously, shut the f*ck up. You're not a dog, you're an ungreatful retard that is lucky he's employed at all. You came in as Jeff Jarrett's freakin roadie! You'd be hard put to find a beginning more humble than that. Then because Double J packed up for WCW, you got pushed as the "Real Double J" which was nothing more than a real crock of shit. Then by the good grace of God, you were rescued by WWE Creative and they for God knows what reason decided to give you a rub from DX. Had it not been for that my guess is we'd remember the Road Dogg the way we remember his idiot brother Brad aka Buzzkill, I horrible rip-off of the horrible Road Dogg gimmick. You know, Bullet Bob's sperm must have been rotten because the other two Armstrong kids sucked ass too.

Let's face it, Road Dogg pretty much did NOTHING well outside of regurgitating the same old lines over and over in every town. You can argue that because of this he was good on the mic, but name one time Road Dogg said anything original, one time he did anything that could hold a candle to the likes of Steve Austin, Chris Jericho or The Rock. He didn't, and IMO he's not another washed up has-been in TNA, he's another never-was, never will-be that will never get a major singles title run, because he's trash.

[JaytheGamefan]

Brian's actually a pretty good worker, or was, but he found out he didn't need to be good in the ring once he discovered that he had charisma.

Edit - TNA hyped the feud further over Youtube, with this quote being awesome - "Vince McMahon, pull your pants up and leave the fat, naked oily guy IN the building!" - I now love this angle and hope it never ends.

[Zenithian Legend]

Had it not been for DX, he'd be a footnote in Jeff Jarrett's career. Unless you really think that Rockabilly and Jesse James would've got over on their own...

[JaytheGamefan]

They actually did get over as a team without DX, but they certainly wouldn't be a name act in '06 (nearly '07) without that DX run. It extended their WWE careers by years, and gave them a reputation they could make a living off of after WWE.

[GuilewasNK]

At least Road Dogg didn't have the Buzzkill or BA gimmick his brother had. Mr. Dogg was pretty damn close to being in a poor mans (if there is such a thing) No Limit Soldiers with 3 Live Crew or whatever it was though.

[mykevermin]

Edit - TNA hyped the feud further over Youtube, with this quote being awesome - "Vince McMahon, pull your pants up and leave the fat, naked oily guy IN the building!" - I now love this angle and hope it never ends.

More stuff like this, and less petty smart-mark mentioning Triple H and HBK by their real names and/or stupid "Target" jokes bulljive, and I'll be way into it.

And that's even with Billy Gunn involved in it.

[guyver2077]

im kip james bitch!

[guyver2077]

That Was Awesome

[hopesfall]

At least Road Dogg didn't have the Buzzkill or BA gimmick his brother had. Mr. Dogg was pretty damn close to being in a poor mans (if there is such a thing) No Limit Soldiers with 3 Live Crew or whatever it was though.
haha how awful was that angle...who did they fued with? the west texas rednecks, right? i'm not sure if that is the correct name or not.

[GuilewasNK]

haha how awful was that angle...who did they fued with? the west texas rednecks, right? i'm not sure if that is the correct name or not.

Yep. The West Texas Rednecks with Curt Hennig, Barry Windham, Bobby Duncum Jr. and Vincent (better known as Virgil from WWE).

[Genocidal]

The Sandman vs. Bob Holly and Tommy Dreamer vs. Daivari have been added to the 12/3 December to Dismember PPV Guess that makes 4 matches, although it's sad that you already have a good idea of who is going to win.

[Sporadic]

I was going through my old harddrive when I came across a picture I made back when Joe was sidelined.

Better late then never.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5043/samoagodkm6.jpg

[thamaster24]

I've been saying this for months now.... the guy blades himself to the extreme almost every match.

I know I stopped watching wrestling for a while, and I remember before I stopped he had done it again. Then I start watching it again... now all I can think of everytime I see him wrestle, "Oh my god King, the Nature Boy's been busted wide open"

[TheRock88]

Havent watched TNA in about two weeks, but can someone explain to me what Voodoo Kin Mafia is suppose to mean? Did they dropped the James Gang name tag now or something?

[Zen Davis]

Ring of Honor is the best pure wrestling show in the United States of America. Hands down.

[JaytheGamefan]

The "James Gang" quit about a month ago, but came back two weeks ago under the VKM name after getting "creative control" in their contracts. They now oppose WWE's DX reincarnation and its lame skits, and are on a quest to destroy WWE.

[evilmax17]

The "James Gang" quit about a month ago, but came back two weeks ago under the VKM name after getting "creative control" in their contracts. They now oppose WWE's DX reincarnation and its lame skits, and are on a quest to destroy WWE.
This is Road Dogg and Billy Gunn right? How ironic.

[CaseyRyback]

These VKM segments kill me. "Mr. MacMahon come out with your pants up!"

:rofl: :rofl:

[guyver2077]

lmao yea

[GuilewasNK]

Damn, I forgot all about Impact tonight.

[GuilewasNK]

Damn. That was a nice move by Lethal.

[PhrostByte]

BAH GAWD! Impact is on at 9 now... damn I forgot... time to watch the last half and download the first one later :P

[Brak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3X5Sip_BH0
Some Macho Mayudness.

[Demolition Man]

What.. the.. fuck..........

Did I just hear Sting call Abyss by his real name? Talk about killing kayfabe there. Fuck you Vince Russo. Okay. Just fuck you.

BRING BACK SCOTT D'AMOUR NOW TNA!

[coolcolt]

Is macho man randy savage a legend in smackdown vs raw 07?

[Brak]

Is macho man randy savage a legend in smackdown vs raw 07?
McMahon has Randy Savage black-listed.

[GuilewasNK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3X5Sip_BH0
Some Macho Mayudness.

God I loved that episode back in the day. Great stuff.

[Demolition Man]

Hey CAG... will one of you folks be kind enough to wake me up when Dixie Carter finally awakes from her colma and gets it that the current direction that Russo is taking TNA is killing the company.

As I'm done with TNA for now. I can't watch it. This is turning into WCW 2000 all over again and I can't go through that again.....

RIP TNA (2002-2007)

[thamaster24]

Can someone please post all of the wrestling shows and times if possible...

All I know about (I know there are others, but do not know the channel)
WWE
RAW- USA
Smackdown- UPN

ECW
???- SciFi

Thanks much

[Scorch]

WWE
Monday 9pm eastern/8pm cst- USA
Friday 8pm eastern/7pm cst - CW network (same as UPN)

ECW
Tues night 10pm eastern/9pm cst- SciFi



wake me up when Dixie Carter finally awakes from her colma

Her what?

[thamaster24]

WWE
Monday 9pm eastern/8pm cst- USA
Friday 8pm eastern/7pm cst - CW network (same as UPN)

ECW
Tues night 10pm eastern/9pm cst- SciFi


Keep forgetting it changed to CW, eh, anyway, can you post the other ones too, I meant those were the ones I knew, times of TNA and any others.

[mykevermin]

Tonight's show fucking sucked. Lousy wrestling, lousy storylines...I hate to say the VKM stuff is the highlight of the show.

Sting getting all Jesus on us, when three weeks ago he was "a new man" (referring to his uncontrollable rage) after he beat Jarret? I don't want Jesus in my wrestling any more than I do nekkid ladies romping around in bra and panties matches. Save that shit for Sunday morning, when you're around the same fucking fools who believe what you do.

Don't get all shoot on Abyss, and fuck you for trying to do so.

SLOW DOWN! Nobody can follow these interviews because the guys aren't enunciating their words, they aren't taking their time to speak slowly and pause at the right moments, and everything is just too fucking rushed.

AJ Styles' storyline makes no sense to me. So he's a hillbilly? Why is it bothering him now? Why does Rhyno matter? Spell this shit out, because your ambiguity indicates you don't know any more than I do; it sure isn't showing your creative juices.

Buy some good recording equipment. All of the cruiserweight segments are (1) lame, (2) lame, (3) regurgitated jokes, and (4) lead nowhere. This is because they look bush league, you can't understand a word they're saying, and they aren't getting any characters over. What the hell is PCS? Remind me again, because it's your job to tell me the story and sell me on the story. You're doing a dogshit job of both.

On the plus side of things, the Bengals beat the Ravens tonight in a helluva game, so I got to FF through most of TNA's crap.

[Demolition Man]

Her what?

Her colma. As in she seems to be in a state of endless sleep.

[Scorch]

Her colma. As in she seems to be in a state of endless sleep.

Again, her what?

C-O-M-A.

[mykevermin]

Drop the "L," tex.

[Demolition Man]

You know myke you pretty much nailed down my feelings on TNA as of lately. Its only making me clamor for the days of Scott D'Amour's booking which wasn't the greatest and yes it had flaws - but at least it was watchable.

The sad thing is that I have high hopes for Russo when he came in. I really felt that he had changed enough to realize that what he is doing now is NOT the best for business. Its not like as if what the WWE is putting out right now is that much better but at least there is enough good... okay more like at least a little good in the product that makes it at least watching once in a while.

[Demolition Man]

Again, her what?

C-O-M-A.

Thanks... my bad. :cry:

[CaseyRyback]

Yea I really didn't like the Abyss storyline and have yet to get the AJ one. They should have just kept it minimal and stated that he was pissed Daniels would do him dirty and take his title in the manner he did.

TNA gets the comedy right, but they need to work on the other aspects of the show. I hope that Jarrett comes back after his sabbatical and fires Russo. Some of the stuff he comes up with is good, but he needs someone like MacMahon to filter out his shitty ideas and correct his booking errors. Putting the Coach back in charge would be the best way to go (got to agree with Demo on that one). Russo has done some good things but does them in a goofy way (getting the X-division back on track was a good move IMO but it was botched).

Also would anyone be shocked if Abyss actually held onto the title after the PPV? I can't see anyone other than Christian holding the belt. I have a problem with the way the belt has been dragged through the mud, but putting it back on him would be a smart move IMO. Ratings were at their peak when he was champ and he has been the best champ since TNA has been on Spike. Plus he is actually decent in the ring and there are enough people he could face where he could hold onto the title for a good while (though knowing who is booking a long time would be two months).


When I got to the house show in a few weeks I think I will be bringing a Fire Russo sign.

[mykevermin]

When I got to the house show in a few weeks I think I will be bringing a Fire Russo sign.

You're a gentleman and a scholar.

[Demolition Man]

Let us know how it goes Casey. :)

[JaytheGamefan]

Tonight's show, like every Impact under the Russo regime, was an entertaining clusterfuck that made no sense and served no purpose. Within roughly ONE MINUTE, the end of the show had about 15 things going on, and in the opening three minutes, we got an intro to Tomko, an explanation as to why he's there, and Tenay telling us how this all got Christian a title shot at the PPV. I particularly loved TNA acting gutsy with the VKM stuff while avoiding "the problem solver" when describing Tomko. Last week, the "THIS IS WRESTLING!" company gave us about 13 minutes of wrestling over one hour, this week, we got about 8. I really need to keep a tally on that. GuilewasNK, on an unrelated note, your First Contact sig image rules the world.

[Brak]

I missed TNA, last night, but I'm still clinging to it in hopes of a WWE alternative.

But, yeah; from the sounds of it, Russo is repeating everything he did to help fuck up WCW.

[GuilewasNK]

GuilewasNK, on an unrelated note, your First Contact sig image rules the world.

I think you mean 2Fast's avatar (which does indeed rule). He posts in here pretty regularly.

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=28539

My sig image has been of Lupin the Third for a few weeks now.


BTW guys, I turned off TNA when I saw the drug test and people were holding up what I assume was urine. I pretty much lost hope for it being a viable alternative to WWE if it continues in this direction. As for now, all I have to say is....

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1785028/0/nouser_1785/T0_-1_1785028.jpg

[CaseyRyback]

I actually thought the drug test segment was topical and fairly funny (then again I pretty much always enjoy those segments). Considering how much flak they recieved in the wake of the signing of Kurt Angle about drug testing and all the issues with drugs WWE had, it did a good job of putting over that these guys don't need steroids or other stuff to go kick ass in the ring.

[guyver2077]

Nash=ratings

[Zenithian Legend]

Vince McMahon is a f*cking genius, Russo must still be under some sort of secret contract with the WWE. But now instead of creating WWE storylines he goes out to the competition and destroys them from within. Absolutely genius!

[GuilewasNK]

Nash=ratings

I have to disagree. I don't think he is a negative to the ratings, but I don't think he is that much of a positive either. He's functional filler.

Now if we had a cleaned up Scott Hall that would be awesome for a variety of reasons.

[TheRock88]

What bothered me most about TNA last night was AJ's interview with Tenay. AJ's acting was horrible and the production seemed like it was made by someone in a high school AV club.

[GuilewasNK]

What bothered me most about TNA last night was AJ's interview with Tenay. AJ's acting was horrible and the production seemed like it was made by someone in a high school AV club.

AJ is best when he is performing in the ring. When he speaks he reminds me WAY to much of Matt Hardy's southern drawl.

[TheRock88]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=166931934


According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, WWE Films' "The Marine" starring John Cena has reached a total of $18,523,976 in 47 days of release. The film is only showing on 136 screens at present time.

We can now confirm that RAW on 12/18 from the Verizon Center in Washington, DC will be a three-hour show on the USA Network.

Less than 1,700 tickets have been sold for Sunday's ECW PPV in Augusta, GA.

The WWE crew will be taping the Christmas in Iraq special some time next week. It appears as though they are leaving after RAW Monday because they are stopping in Landstuhl, Germany on Tuesday. Vince, John Cena, JBL, Lillian Garcia, Undertaker, Edge, Randy Orton, Torrie Wilson, Bob Holly, Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Bobby Lashley and Melina are all confirmed for the tour.


o_0, I guess that's what happens when there's only been 2 matches announced on TV.

[Brak]

It doesn't help that ECW doesn't feel like ECW, either. Just another WWE extension.

Why is RAW going to be three hours on the 18th?

[GuilewasNK]

It doesn't help that ECW doesn't feel like ECW, either. Just another WWE extension.

Why is RAW going to be three hours on the 18th?

Christmas I would imagine.

How much you want to bet Santa Claus joins the "Kiss My Ass" club?

[Zenithian Legend]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=166931934



o_0, I guess that's what happens when there's only been 2 matches announced on TV.

Probably should've had the ppv somewhere up in the northeast, eh?

[Sporadic]

Probably should've had the ppv somewhere up in the northeast, eh?

Nah, it would have been fine if they held it down here in Florida.

I remember back when ECW use to put on shows over in Cocoa.

[Brak]

Christmas I would imagine.

How much you want to bet Santa Claus joins the "Kiss My Ass" club?
... Yuck.

[mykevermin]

Probably should've had the ppv somewhere up in the northeast, eh?

At the very least, they would have sold more tickets to dumbass smart marks who think that creative chants will actually have an impact on the product.

Part of me wants to order to see how small the crowd is. That's like the size of the biggest ROH event each year.

[Brak]

At the very least, they would have sold more tickets to dumbass smart marks who think that creative chants will actually have an impact on the product.

Part of me wants to order to see how small the crowd is. That's like the size of the biggest ROH event each year.
Think WCW Thunder.

I wonder if they'll give tickets away.

[mykevermin]

DUDE! IT'S CALLED THE JAMES BROWN ARENA! HOW COOL IS THAT?

It's an 8,500 seater, so it's small relative to WWE shows. Probably the size of arenas they use for non-televised events.

They even have $20 cheap seats, and can't even sell those? Pathetic.

I still haven't seen anything on the WWE site about the other two matches announced. Have they been confirmed?

[guyver2077]

Holy Shit!


Inferno Match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



ummmm they should have put the ecw ppv in old ecw territory...

fuckin idiots

[guyver2077]

Mnm!!!

[Demolition Man]

I feel like a dumbass waiting this long to get my tickets for the next ROH show coming here so I have to settle for.... second row. :cry:

Oh well. Can't wait regardless. :D

(Now I got to order the past few shows and catch up on things)

[coolcolt]

Do you think batista is a great champion?

[JaytheGamefan]

He's only been champion for five days, but considering how horrible he's been since returning, I'll say that his title reign will be horrible (at least compared to his first one). If he's in there with Finlay a lot, this one will at least have some great matches.

TNA needs to look at SD to see how to properly build a show within one hour. We're on our second match, and they've all been given decent time and allowed for non-wrestling stuff as well. TNA had about EIGHT MINUTES of wrestling last night spread across three matches - there's no excuse for that. Russo has no WWE contract - he's just been trying to get back into TNA since June, and they finally rehired him so he could undo all of their progress. VKM and Russo are now 'invading' a WWE house show. Lordy.

[Demolition Man]

The thing is that Vince Russo does certain things like character development well - and that is to an extent. The problem is that anything good that Russo does he will overkill on it to the point where it is no longer good. Anything bad he does... well.... its bad period. None of this should come to a shock either given his own beliefs on the business these days:

"The second a wrestling move kicks in you start losing viewers."
"People have seen every wrestling move in the book."

Go watch either the Ultimate Insiders DVD with Ed Fererra (hosted by none other than Wade Keller) or the shoot that Rob Feinstein did. You'll hear MANY comments like this.

Its not that I am anti-Russo. Its not that I hate Russo. I actually have respect for him as a man. But that doesn't excuse him for letting the quality of TNA fall down as fast as it has. If you folks would of asked me six months ago if I would of forseen TNA being in such a terrible state on Friday December the 1st I would of asked you to lay off the crack. Yet its all true now.

At best TNA should of brought Russo in as a secondary booker alongside the now former booking team (D'Amour, Tenay, etc). Russo can still bring good ideas to the table and I feel someone like even D'Amour would be smart enough to know not to use crap ideas like the Voodoo Kin Mafia... or at least not have them go on and on about "Michael Hickenbottom."

[JaytheGamefan]

Russo hasn't done character development very well so far - he's ESTABLISHED them, but none of them have been developed yet after roughly a month of shows. Oh Lord, Vickie's selling Benoit's actions at Survivor Series as if she's been in a car accident - something that nearly killed Eddie.

[guyver2077]

Layla And Krystal Are So Fine

[coolcolt]

Yes they are hot!

[guyver2077]

MAN THE ARMAGEDDON CARD IS AWESOME SO FAR



where the hell is simon dean

i think smackdown was quite good today...

mvp main eventing smackdown... nice

[2Fast]

I remember back when ECW use to put on shows over in Cocoa.

Really? I don't recall, although I was probably only thirteen or so.

[guyver2077]

they came to ft lauderdale a few times... i always was there

[Sporadic]

Really? I don't recall, although I was probably only thirteen or so.

Yeah, over at the Cocoa Expo Sports Center.

I remember driving by that giant banner they use to put out while heading to my Aunt's house.

It's a shame I didn't know what ECW was back then. I was first exposed to ECW late night on the Sunshine Network. Taz applying the Tazmission with barb wire on I believe Shane Douglas. :)

[2Fast]

Yeah, over at the Cocoa Expo Sports Center.

I remember driving by that giant banner they use to put out while heading to my Aunt's house.

It's a shame I didn't know what ECW was back then. I was first exposed to ECW late night on the Sunshine Network. Taz applying the Tazmission with barb wire on I believe Shane Douglas. :)
Ah okay.

I used to try to watch ECW back then on Sunshine, but it seemed the whole show was devoted to one long, drawn out match. Keep in mind that I was about twelve or thirteen, so this wasn't exactly my style. It was always Rob Van Dam against someone or another and it just never got me excited about the product as a whole. Plus the overall quality was ass.

[JaytheGamefan]

Simon Dean has been retired for a while now - he's got backstage duties in WWE though.

[guyver2077]

wtf why he retire... nova coulda come back in ecw

[mykevermin]

wtf why he retire... nova coulda come back in ecw

Yeah...prolly not. Take one fucking look at anyone from the old ECW in the modern ECW.

[Demolition Man]

Isn't Nova injured tho? I can't remember.

[ace25one]

where the hell is simon dean



I think he's running OVW now.

[CaseyRyback]

I thought he took Tommy Dreamer's job.

[JaytheGamefan]

His knees are shot - that's why he retired.

[Demolition Man]

*sigh*

AN UPDATE ON THE VOODOO KIN MAFIA AT KNOXVILLE WWE EVENT

On Friday evening, the Voodoo Kin Mafia traveled to Knoxville, Tennessee, to attend a WWE live event.

Shortly after TNAwrestling.com posted our first update, we received word that the Voodoo Kin Mafia did indeed purchase tickets to enter the building to personally deliver their cease and desist letter to those responsible for the “dumb to the xtreme” television skits.

In fact, TNAwrestling.com has learned that VKM made it inside the arena just in time to witness the main event featuring Paul Levesque! Following the bout, Levesque acknowledged VKM in the audience, but they were unable to follow through with their mission as he left the ring.

“Unfortunately, our attempts to serve Levesque were unsuccessful. We also noticed many of the fans’ attempts to stay awake during the main event were also unsuccessful,” James told TNAwrestling.com. “The good news is – the fat, oily guy was nowhere to be seen. At least the great fans in this city of Knoxville, Tennessee were spared that suffering tonight.”

James continued…

“Until we get them to sign our letter, our mission will continue. If those responsible for ‘dumb to the xtreme’ want to end this, they are always welcome to come to our live events in Orlando, Florida, to sign the letter. Plus, it will save Kip from driving the RV all over the country, because I can’t park that thing worth a damn.”

And a video from Ron Killings to Cena...

http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1043

This is getting worse and worse....

[Demolition Man]

Things I learned from the Ron Killings video:

- He has a MySpace page. That means he's a child pedophile.
- He's working on a rap album. Oh joy. 10 versions of "Watz Up." I'm sure to buy that when it comes out.
- He rambles a LOT about something but I don't get it.
- My god.... Vince Russo must be writing his lyrics too. LOL @ "You smell like doo doo" aimed at Cena. *sigh* This is very pathetic.

And the best part of this video... ITS SHOT IN HIS CAR. :rofl:

[Brak]

*sigh*



And a video from Ron Killings to Cena...

http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1043

This is getting worse and worse....

A wrestler rapping about... wrestling.

*mind melts*

[GuilewasNK]

I'll watch the Ron Killings vid later, but his rapping/dancing has ALWAYS sucked. Badly.

[Demolition Man]

I'll watch the Ron Killings vid later, but his rapping/dancing has ALWAYS sucked. Badly.

His skill her is at the level of... say.... a drunken homeless rapper.

[Brak]

Killing's is really sweet in the ring. I used to hate him when he was in WWE, simply because I hated his gimmick and Road Dogg.

(Road Dogg sucks.)

[GuilewasNK]

Just watched it. :rofl:

Cena has nothing to worry about. Cena isn't the greatest rapper alive by any stretch but at least he isn't Ron Killings. God damn...at least use your own beat Ron.

[JaytheGamefan]

According to Bryan Alvarez, Impact was far more rushed than usual because Russo thought they had one less week to build to the PPV than they actually do. That's one Hell of a lead booker they have there.

[PhrostByte]

According to Bryan Alvarez, Impact was far more rushed than usual because Russo thought they had one less week to build to the PPV than they actually do. That's one Hell of a lead booker they have there.

Impact wasn't any worse than it has been this past month or so. I actually kinda like where they're going with Abyss's character... hopefully this leads to him being an even bigger heel in the end. And ya sure maybe AJ can't work the mic but he could use the practice. Someone who actually is a good talker though... Sonjay Dutt.. still hasn't gotten his X-Division title run... and where the hell has the Skipper been at?

[JaytheGamefan]

Elix has been in AAA, and isn't doing anything in TNA because they've got 40 minutes a week to get over about 50 talents, and his stock has dropped so far in TNA that he isn't even an enhancement guy. I'd say that this past week's Impact was far worse than the usual show because it had even less wrestling than before, without any of it being really good, and far too much emphasis on bad skits and interviews. I re-watched the show after the UFC Unleashed show focusing on Royce Gracie, and holy damn did Impact seem even worse after that show. TNA has so much potential, but they squander it so much that I'm surprsed they're even in business anymore.

[mykevermin]

"you smell like doo-doo."

You gotta be fucking shitting me. Everlast doesn't even write lines that bad.

[2Fast]

Ron Killings easily stands out as the most entertaining guy on TNA's roster...when you're at the show; none of it really translates well to TV, IMO.

As far as rapping goes, he'd be okay if he didn't sound like he had emphysema. Good lyrics couldn't hurt either.

[Demolition Man]

"you smell like doo-doo."

You gotta be fucking shitting me. Everlast doesn't even write lines that bad.

Hey myke you sure do like stealing from my rants now do ya? :lol:

Before you get all in a hizzy and spew out 10 pages worth of counter ranting to that... tis a joke.

[mykevermin]

As far as rapping goes, he'd be okay if he didn't sound like he had emphysema. Good lyrics couldn't hurt either.

I dunno about his voice - Sticky Fingaz (from Onyx) and, to some extent, DMX, both sound like that, and I'm big fans of both. (The irony, of course, is how derivative of themselves DMX's lyrics are)

Killing's lyrics seem like he needs an editor/producer to filter them out for redundancy and stupidity. It's pretty obvious you're dealing with a bush league rapper when they repeat the same phrase within five seconds of the last time it was said, and that whole turnabout lasts for the duration of the song - you're filling up time because you can't write a goddamned song.

[GuilewasNK]

Killing's lyrics seem like he needs an editor/producer to filter them out for redundancy and stupidity.

QFT.

[JJSP]

Of the following, which is the most likely scenario at the ECW Pay Per View?

- Test wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates by removing all evidence of his wrestling career up to this point. The next morning, news reports out of Philadelphia reveal that Straw Hat Guy and Hawaiian Shirt Guy have taken their own lives. Their last words? "This is not a Test".

- Rob Van Dam wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates with his usual "recreational activities". Because of this, he doesn't realize he's champion until April, at which point he also realizes his ECW title reigns have come approximately seven years late.

- Sabu wins the ECW Championship. While celebrating, he thanks The Sheik - prompting The Iron Sheik to emerge from the back, confused and ranting about how he wants to sodomize Matt Striker and "make him humble".

- CM Punk wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates by going out drinking with The Sandman and Balls Mahoney. Originally intending to stay sober, Punk sells out his edge when The Sandman convinces him that no one ever orders rum and Pepsi because it's non-alcoholic.

- Bobby Lashley wins the ECW Championship, thanks in part to the debuting Monty Brown. Lashley becomes the first black ECW Champion, prompting Ron Simmons to appear only to say "DAMN...I was the first black world champion ever, and look what they've got me doing."

- The Big Show retains the ECW Championship, and celebrates by having an Italian dinner. Show eats The FBI, though passes on consuming Tracey Smothers. Southern cooking makes Show gassy.

[GuilewasNK]

Of the following, which is the most likely scenario at the ECW Pay Per View?

- Test wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates by removing all evidence of his wrestling career up to this point. The next morning, news reports out of Philadelphia reveal that Straw Hat Guy and Hawaiian Shirt Guy have taken their own lives. Their last words? "This is not a Test".

- Rob Van Dam wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates with his usual "recreational activities". Because of this, he doesn't realize he's champion until April, at which point he also realizes his ECW title reigns have come approximately seven years late.

- Sabu wins the ECW Championship. While celebrating, he thanks The Sheik - prompting The Iron Sheik to emerge from the back, confused and ranting about how he wants to sodomize Matt Striker and "make him humble".

- CM Punk wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates by going out drinking with The Sandman and Balls Mahoney. Originally intending to stay sober, Punk sells out his edge when The Sandman convinces him that no one ever orders rum and Pepsi because it's non-alcoholic.

- Bobby Lashley wins the ECW Championship, thanks in part to the debuting Monty Brown. Lashley becomes the first black ECW Champion, prompting Ron Simmons to appear only to say "DAMN...I was the first black world champion ever, and look what they've got me doing."

- The Big Show retains the ECW Championship, and celebrates by having an Italian dinner. Show eats The FBI, though passes on consuming Tracey Smothers. Southern cooking makes Show gassy.

Heh. :lol:

[PhrostByte]

-Test wins the ECW Championship, and celebrates by removing all evidence of his wrestling career up to this point. The next morning, news reports out of Philadelphia reveal that Straw Hat Guy and Hawaiian Shirt Guy have taken their own lives. Their last words? "This is not a Test".

:rofl:

[neocisco]

JJSP, if you actually wrote that you definitely need to be posting in the wrestling threads more often. Good stuff.:lol:

I'm actually just about ready to leave to drive down to Augusta for the PPV. At this point I'm very skeptical about the quality of the show but I've already bought the ticket so hear goes nothin'...

[mykevermin]

Here's hoping you get some good surprises. Since there are bound to be many surprises (at least a few matches, maybe a cameo from an old ECW dude?), you can at least rely on the lack of the show being spoiled for you.

It's interesting to see how often WWE promotions for a PPV include the two main event wrestlers fighting each other in 3-ways, tag matches, and other crap for weeks leading up to a PPV, that, by the time they fight for "real," you're bored b/c you've seen it all before. They have done the complete opposite here, with no fucking matches announced. I'm wondering if they understand the concept of "median."

[JJSP]

JJSP, if you actually wrote that you definitely need to be posting in the wrestling threads more often. Good stuff.:lol:

I'm actually just about ready to leave to drive down to Augusta for the PPV. At this point I'm very skeptical about the quality of the show but I've already bought the ticket so hear goes nothin'...
That's all me. Boredom produces results, though not the kind I need since I've got a paper due on Tuesday. Thanks though - I'll be here all week. :)

[MaskedPlague]

Heading to the PPV. I wish the card had some actual matches on it. Who would buy this on PPV?

[Demolition Man]

Heading to the PPV. I wish the card had some actual matches on it. Who would buy this on PPV?

Not me. Especially with the lack of a card. Yeah the two announced matches sound "okay" but its not $40 "okay" to me. Had there of been at least a semblence of a card for the PPV then I would be far more enticed to order it. The Elimination Chamber match in itself is certainly a draw. I'd love to see CM Punk come out the winner.... but I have a feeling that is as likely as the Vikings beating the Bears today was. Hardys vs MNM could of easily been done at a RAW or Smackdown PPV but most likely was thrown onto this PPV to boost the buyrate. Its pretty pathetic when Vince won't put some faith into actually letting the ECW talent and names speak for itself. Not that this comes to any surprise to me - or the rest of you for that matter.

And for my 2 cents on why I'm not ordering TNA Turning Point btw.....

Had TNA actually put some logical booking behind the matches so far on the card then I would of been hooked. But I feel its WAY too soon for a Joe/Angle rematch (of which I felt the first one was rushed to begin with). Abyss vs Sting vs Cage could be good but I have a gut feeling we'll see Russo's typical work. Don't care about whatever match has LAX namely because of how dumb that angle became. Don't care to see Eric Young vs Robert Rhoode again. Daniels vs Sabin could be a show stealer... but that has been done numerous times already. The PCS tournament.... wow, talk about another way to put as many people on the card. Gotta give TNA credit for that.

So yeah.... TNA within a month went from being loveable to downright unwatchable. Pretty sad.

[Sporadic]

Wow

Sabu was found backstage "beat up". Looks like they will have a mystery opponent in the EC.

I HOPE IT'S JOHN CENA!!!!!

[Sporadic]

Wow

Sabu was found backstage "beat up". Looks like they will have a mystery opponent in the EC.

I HOPE IT'S JOHN CENA!!!!!

Bob Holly is replacing Sabu in the EC.

Smart move, that should sell some PPV replays :roll:

[Ugamer_X]

Wow

Sabu was found backstage "beat up". Looks like they will have a mystery opponent in the EC.

I HOPE IT'S JOHN CENA!!!!!
Wow, the WWE really hates Sabu.

This show is horrible so far, they could at least make it better than the shit we get every tuesday.

Ooh, Kevin Thorn v. Mike Knox...This is going to be awesome. :roll:

[JJSP]

Its pretty pathetic when Vince won't put some faith into actually letting the ECW talent and names speak for itself.
Aside from Sabu and Van Dam, I can't name another ECW guy who could really sell a PPV. Sandman can't have a good match unless there's barbed wire involved and Balls Mahoney seems absolutely lost as a singles wrestler.

The single biggest problem with this PPV is that WWE is running it so close to Survivor Series. No one's going to honestly spend $120 in three weeks on wrestling, espescially when 90% of the ECW PPV could be done for free on TV. It's not the talent, it's the timing.

Let's face it, ECW 2006 will not and can NEVER be what it once was. I understand that there's too many guys working WWE shows, but it's only leading to oversaturation of the product. I don't watch ECW simply because I never remember it's even on. The only time it gets any promotion at all is when a Raw or Smackdown guy will be appearing there.

Heyman needs to cut his losses, get out while he can, and go to TNA. His boys RVD and Sabu are very likely headed there, and the thoughts of talent like Styles, Sabin, Shelley, Aries, and the countless other stars in Heyman's hands would be VERY intriguing. Heyman, with proper backing and creative control, could mold TNA into a full-scale promotion. I mean, come on - name one guy over 300 lbs to hold an ECW title other than Mike Awesome and Bam Bam Bigelow.

EDIT - And Sabu being too hurt to compete? Unless he's effing dead, I don't think so. This is the same dude who ripped his bicep wide open on barbed wire and taped it shut to finish the match. He had better find some way inside the cage.

[Sporadic]

Aside from Sabu and Van Dam, I can't name another ECW guy who could really sell a PPV.

I think the issue is that they decided to fill the rest of the roster with lower-mid card regulars (Test, Hardcore Holly) which just doesn't cut it.

The roster should have been only ECW originals and OVW hopefuls from day 1.

-edit :rofl: Paul E: This new ECW is your ECW champion Big Show!

Crowd member: Yeah, who's going to retire next year!

EC is starting.

[Ugamer_X]

I guess they're planning on having the Chamber match go for over an hour long.

[JJSP]

I think the issue is that they decided to fill the rest of the roster with lower-mid card regulars (Test, Hardcore Holly) which just doesn't cut it.

The roster should have been only ECW originals and OVW hopefuls from day 1.

-edit :rofl: Paul E: This new ECW is your ECW champion Big Show!

Crowd member: Yeah, who's going to retire next year!

EC is starting.
It's as though ECW has become WCW Saturday Night.

*shudder*

[Sporadic]

I guess they're planning on having the Chamber match go for over an hour long.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had the EC go on for an hour and then have an impute title match right after it.

[Ugamer_X]

-edit :rofl: Paul E: This new ECW is your ECW champion Big Show!

Crowd member: Yeah, who's going to retire next year!

:D
That guy has been going the whole time, he's been the highlight of the show.

[Sporadic]

Holy shit, that rolling thunder over the top rope was nice.

- edit And here comes CM Punk with a chair.

- edit 2 Test with a crowbar.

- edit 3 Ugh, what bullshit and the crowd agrees.

CM Punk eliminated first by the 5 star splash.

- edit 4 What the fuck is going on.

RVD eliminated after Test did a elbow off the top of the pod.

And Holly is gone.

[Ugamer_X]

Holy shit, that rolling thunder over the top rope was nice.

- edit And here comes CM Punk with a chair.

- edit 2 Test with a crowbar.

- edit 3 Ugh, what bullshit and the crowd agrees.

CM Punk eliminated first by the 5 star splash.
Even more bullshit, although a nice spot by Test.
Edit: And WTF was up with the Holly pin?
Edit 2: I think we know how this is going to end up.

[Sporadic]

Even more bullshit, although a nice spot by Test.
Edit: And WTF was up with the Holly pin?

No idea, to be honest I missed it. I was typing something for a message board and all of the sudden I hear Holly is gone.

Ugh, Lashley going to be our new ECW champion. :cry:

- edit Test is out of here.

Only Show and Lashley left

[Ugamer_X]

TNA chants...If that isn't telling.

Lashley doesn't get it, the fans don't like you. People are chanting for the Big Show.

...And Lashley is now the champ.

[guyver2077]

fav part of the night was the mnm and hardy match...

[Sporadic]

TNA chants...If that isn't telling.

I've also heard "this show sucks" and "Where's our refund?" chants earlier.

Hopefully Vince learns from this. Nobody wants to see Lashley or Show.

BLACK LESNER WINS BLACK LESNER WINS

Fuck this show.

[guyver2077]

man these two cant keep fighting for another 30 mins

holy shit... somethings gotta happen!!!

[Sporadic]

man these two cant keep fighting for another 30 mins

holy shit... somethings gotta happen!!!

Um, the PPV is over. :lol:

[JJSP]

man these two cant keep fighting for another 30 mins

holy shit... somethings gotta happen!!!
Come on, Sabu...come on, Sabu...PLEASE?!?!

[Ugamer_X]

A 2 hour PPV? What exactly are they trying to pull here?

The chamber started out nice and got progressively worse.

[guyver2077]

garbage!!!

[Ugamer_X]

Come on, Sabu...come on, Sabu...PLEASE?!?!
Nothing from him. WWE management doesn't want anything to do with Sabu it seems.

[Sporadic]

A 2 hour PPV? What exactly are they trying to pull here?

The chamber started out nice and got progressively worse.

Agreed, as soon as RVD and Punk were eliminated it went from fairly exciting to pure shit.

[mykevermin]

Lahley and Show are the last two, huh? Blech.

I'm not spoiler tagging shit. It's a live show, and if you aren't paying for it, you don't need spoiler tags.

[getmeoutofjoliet]

:puke:














sorry 'bout that. It's just that :puke:







FUCK.

[mykevermin]

Big Show wins, huh?

EDIT: NM, I just saw the above post and figured it was TBS retaining. Nothing like Punk being the first to go to serve as a giant "FUCK YOUUUUUU, SMART MARKS!" from the dubya-dubya-eee.

Then again, perhaps it was Sabu who was out first. They can't seriously expect this show to be on by this time next year, can they.

Oh well, I watched "American Dreamz" tonight instead of keeping up with the results, so I enjoyed my sunday, and spent $36 less on PPV than if I ordered D2D.

[Sporadic]

Big Show wins, huh?

Nope, Lashey won it.

[MaskedPlague]

They killed the crowd when they eliminated RVD and CM Punk. We were all sitting there with "WTF?" looks on our faces. 10:20? Speaking of refunds.... I am too tired now, but I will post some other observances from the live show tomorrow.

[Sporadic]

I think somebody summed it up perfectly over at Something Awful.


Okay, so, let me try to analyze the situation here.

* John Cena is the WWF WWE World Heavyweight Champion
* Batista is the WCW World Heavyweight Champion
* Bobby Lashley is the ECW World Heavyweight Champion
* Abyss is the NWA World Heavyweight Champion

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5420/emotpsypophr4.gif

What the fuck, professional wrestling industry?

[Roufuss]

Nothing wrong with Cena... he cuts a great promo and he's got alot of charisma. WWE has always had top stars without alot of in-ring talent (Stone Cold comes to mind) that get by just on their charisma. Cena is one of these people, but he CAN pull off an awesome match when the time comes.

I can't say the same about the other three.

[Zenithian Legend]

That was one of the worst PPVs I've ever seen. I enjoyed seeing CM Punk go out first, but seriously, what an awful main event, especially for an Elimination Chamber match. How anti-climactic, how predictable. Ugh.

And then the Hardyz vs MNM must've opened the f*cking show, as I go to B Dubs a little late and missed that match alltogether.

ECW shouldn't have ppvs anymore.

[hopesfall]

Nothing wrong with Cena... he cuts a great promo and he's got alot of charisma. WWE has always had top stars without alot of in-ring talent (Stone Cold comes to mind) that get by just on their charisma. Cena is one of these people, but he CAN pull off an awesome match when the time comes.

I can't say the same about the other three.

I have to disagree. I can't recall ever really being drawn into any of Cena's promos (although his "raps" were somewhat entertaining), nor have I thought of any of his matches as being above-average. Ehh, maybe I'm in the minority, though.

[CaseyRyback]

Cena at least tries. He knows he can't wrestle but he doesn't take that to mean he should let everyone else carry him (like batista and lashley like to do).

He doesn't bug me near as much as he used to, though I do think he is much better without the belt.

Also Stone Cold was much better in the ring than Cena. Wrestlemania 13 is proof enough of that.

[Zenithian Legend]

Oh for f*cks sake, can't anything go right? So, from what I read, the Hardyz vs MNM pretty much stole the show. Glad I missed that...:wall:

ARGH and why the hell does that match open the goddam show :bomb: :bomb: :bomb:

[JaytheGamefan]

Because it was the most athletic match planned on the show, and provided the crowd with a hot opener. Ideally, a hot show follows a hot opener, but that didn't happen here.

[Zenithian Legend]

Because it was the most athletic match planned on the show, and provided the crowd with a hot opener. Ideally, a hot show follows a hot opener, but that didn't happen here.

I would've expected Sandman vs Holly to open, as The Sandman always get the crowd pumped. Then again... this is the WWE.

Either way, f*ck Vince, both McMahon and Russo. I fear that until they both die wrestling in general will suck.

In other news, those in the know are reporting that Sabu is pretty much trying to get fired at this point. RVD is also counting down the days until his contract expires. I hope there's some real competition by that point, and not this Vince Russo crap.

[Roufuss]

In other news, those in the know are reporting that Sabu is pretty much trying to get fired at this point. RVD is also counting down the days until his contract expires. I hope there's some real competition by that point, and not this Vince Russo crap.

While it's a shame, they have NOBODY to blame but themselves.

They should be lucky they both didn't get terminated outright after their little incident.

What's also a shame is Sabu was getting a big huge push when he first showed up.

[onikage]

I didn't care to see Lashley in ECW and hated that they were giving him so much TV time. Things were going pretty well without him. :wall:

They brought him in and basically killed the decent feud which built up over the last few months between Big Show and RVD. And now, so quickly, he's the champion? I'm not sure I'll even watch Tuesday to see the aftermath of this bullshit.
:puke:

[mykevermin]

While it's a shame, they have NOBODY to blame but themselves.

They should be lucky they both didn't get terminated outright after their little incident.

What's also a shame is Sabu was getting a big huge push when he first showed up.

Regardless of what RVD/Sabu did, Lashley whining and pissing like a goddamned princess that he didn't like Michael Hayes/wanted the SD! title didn't help them at all either.

Sounds like a dogass of a show. Like a two-hour long version of the same meaningless 4-minute matches you can not pay $40 to see every Tuesday night. But with an Elimination Chamber.

Shame you'll never see ECW done outside of a SmackDown! show, so you could see more interesting crowd reactions to Lashley. Let him carry the title of "ECW Champion," as if it means something in the year 2006. It's like going to see the worst tribute band of all time. Even worse than Mini-Kiss or the Misfats.

[Demolition Man]

I can't say much more myke. I'm watching the replay right now via (blank). This PPV has been outright the worst PPV I've watched since the Heroes Of Wrestling debacle.... except this PPV actually has ONE good match on it... and no drunken Jake Roberts.

[JaytheGamefan]

Lashley didn't whine and bitch about not getting the SD title, he simply requested a change in brands since Hayes had no idea what to do with him, and Heyman did. He went from a feud with TATANKA to being a world champion. He defintiely made the right move.

[CaseyRyback]

I know Jay mentioned earlier that Russo thought that the PPV was a week before it actually was and how it was a bad thing, well at least he knew there was a PPV around the corner and that it needed to be plugged. It is still mind boggling that there were only two matches on the card.

Whoever thought that it would be a good idea to have a chamber match should be fired immediately. They could have taken all six members that were in the chamber and had a decent PPV.

CM Punk v. Mike Knox
Big Show v. Test v. RVD
Sabu and Lashley could have went at it in a number one contenders match.

[JJSP]

Please, Paul...if you have any integrity or respect for the ECW name, let it die. Grow a set of balls like you had at One Night Stand '05 and let it die.

[Zenithian Legend]

Regardless of what RVD/Sabu did, Lashley whining and pissing like a goddamned princess that he didn't like Michael Hayes/wanted the SD! title didn't help them at all either.

Sounds like a dogass of a show. Like a two-hour long version of the same meaningless 4-minute matches you can not pay $40 to see every Tuesday night. But with an Elimination Chamber.

Shame you'll never see ECW done outside of a SmackDown! show, so you could see more interesting crowd reactions to Lashley. Let him carry the title of "ECW Champion," as if it means something in the year 2006. It's like going to see the worst tribute band of all time. Even worse than Mini-Kiss or the Misfats.

I "heard" The Hardyz vs MNM was a stellar match. Glad it opened the show and I missed it :roll:.

To make things ever better Joey Mercury is apparently headed to ECW while Nitro and Jeff will remain on Raw. Matt *might* head to Raw too, as creative suddenly likes the idea of keeping the Hardyz together... despite all the singles success that Jeff has had :roll: :roll: .

Ideally I'd like to see both teams kept on Raw, or wherever they'd get TV time, leading up to a tag titles match at Wrestlemania, TLC style no doubt. Toss London & Kendrick into that mix, and you've got something to work with. Of course we all know Vince would rather see Cryme Tyme hold the tag belts, because that will revive this dying division :roll: :roll: :roll: .

As for the ECW ppv, with the way the final match went down... man, no one was really in the match that long. And most of the people at B-dubs couldn't even tell when or if Holly was eliminated when he got pinned. That seemed rather *botched*. Had I been scripting the show, you'd have seen a Survivor Series 98/WM IV them.

We'd have started off with 5 empty slots for the EXEC match. Big Show automatically getting spot #6, because he's the defending champion, and via the storyline is in love with Paul Heyman.

The other 5 slots are filled by the winners of matches on the show, instead of matches on ECW. Does it really matter who was in the main event anyway when 75% of the card was a mystery going into the show.

So, you've got Punk, opening things up with a match vs Mike Knox, a grudge match no doubt, and Kelly Kelly turns on Knox to help CM Punk win the match and a spot.

Sabu jobs to Hardcore Holly... on screen, not the writers, off screen.

RVD beats Matt Striker, because the fans love RVD, and hate Matt Striker.

Test beats Sandman, because WWE hates Sandman, and loves Test.

Lashley beats Daivari. Khali interferes, but Lashley fights him off, making him look a little more legit as a title contender.

There you go, a more interesting card, instead of Thorn/Ariel vs Knox/Kelly in pretty much a heel vs heel match solely put on the card to further a storyline that has grown beyond stale. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Demolition Man]

Lashley didn't whine and bitch about not getting the SD title, he simply requested a change in brands since Hayes had no idea what to do with him, and Heyman did. He went from a feud with TATANKA to being a world champion. He defintiely made the right move.

The problem is that Lashley doesn't come across as someone who fits the image of being the ECW Champion. Yeah for a big roided out guy he's pretty decent in the ring but he's far from being championship material. But then again this isn't the ECW of its day we are getting. This is more of an ECW that is really Velocity reskinned. I'm not blaming Lashley for any of this. I just don't feel is is championship material as of yet. But that's my feeling on this.

I will give props and credit where its due - the Hardys vs MNM match was great. Everyone in the match (even Jeff) put in one hell of a performance. It really felt like we got something special out of the match that shouldn't be given a rematch or anything to.

[Demolition Man]

Please, Paul...if you have any integrity or respect for the ECW name, let it die. Grow a set of balls like you had at One Night Stand '05 and let it die.

The problem is that the buck stops at Vincent Kennedy McMahon. I suspect that Paul has very little if any say in ECVelocityW these days.

The real ECW died in 2001. Its not coming back anytime soon either.

[JaytheGamefan]

Everything that happened at ONS '05 was approved by Vince before making air - Paul didn't have anymore of a set than he does now.

[Demolition Man]

At least ONS '05 had a somewhat ECW feel to the show. Yeah having stuff like the RAW and Smackdown invasion angle took away from show a bit but there was more than enough good to the show to make up for that. Actually to be honest seeing Sandman and Steve Austin together at the end even after remember their short lived fued in ECW back in 1995... was fucking awesome. :D

[neocisco]

I just got back from Augusta and that was the single biggest waste of $70 I've ever had. Disappointing doesn't even begin to describe it. It was the first WWE PPV I've ever been to and most likely the last.

Stevie Richards vs. Rene Dupree and Richards won! Probably because it was a dark match, though.

Hardys vs. MNM was definitely a good match. It went for about a half hour and was easily the highlight of the night. WWE has the potential for a strong tag division (MNM, Hardys, Kendrick/London, Benjamin/Haas, Pit Bulls if they hadn't released Kash:wall:) but we all know that will happen at about the same time they take the cruiserweights seriously.

The rest of the matches aren't even worth commenting on. I will say, though, during the mixed tag match Ariel was on the camera side of the ring bouncing on the ropes. The people on my side (right side of the front right ringpost) were yelling for her to switch sides. She did, commenced bouncing and got the biggest pop of the match. People love Knox and Thorne!:roll:

The crowd seemed to have a strong contingent of fairly knowledgeable ECW fans and they were not pleased. Judging from other people's posts several of the chants were audible on TV, ranging from a few TNA chants to the standard "refund" and "this show sucks". During one of the "this show sucks" chants Heyman turned to our side and mouthed "I know, I know".:lol: Punk was easily the most over in the main event, even more than RVD.

Big Show did get a nice sendoff with a strong round of applause and some chants after the show. I know a lot of people don't like him but I respect the guy. He works hard (at least as hard as his body will let him) plus traveling has to be harder on him than anybody else just because of his size. He definitely deserves to take time off and rest.

All in all, though, just a lousy show. I'm pretty much done watching ECW at this point and Raw may be next. At least on Smackdown the odds of getting a good match are fairly decent with Benoit, Finlay, Regal and a couple of others on the roster. This is probably WWE's worst slump since the pre-Attitude era. Somebody wake me when it's over.

[Roufuss]

Big Show did get a nice sendoff with a strong round of applause and some chants after the show. I know a lot of people don't like him but I respect the guy. He works hard (at least as hard as his body will let him) plus traveling has to be harder on him than anybody else just because of his size. He definitely deserves to take time off and rest.
.

Like I've said earlier too, he is also a hell of a guy in person. I'm not sure if he still lives around here, but he used to go to the mall all the time and everyone had great things to say about him. Show is one of those people who has been in the business a long time and it's obvious that he really loves it - I hate when the fans shit all over him. He strikes me as one of those guys, much like Kane, who shows up, does his job, and never bitches about it.

Unlike stories of other superstars in person around here, like Edge (asshole) and Undertaker (Super asshole).

[JaytheGamefan]

Big Show vs. Lashley is apparently set for Tuesday, I figure it'll be a loser leaves ECW match, and then he can take time off and come back to whatever brand for the Hogan match (if he can do it). I've got to give WWE credit, in one night, they managed to kill Punk, kill RVD, kill the brand, and told the fans to fuck off WHILE charging $40 for it. The PPV webcast actually had more matches than were announced for this show. At least Big Show got a big standing ovation after the show, in his hometown no less. Oh, and one of the people chanting "TNA" after RVD was beaten was RVD's wife, which says a lot about the rumors of him going to TNA, with its super-stringent drug policy.

[Zenithian Legend]

Big Show vs. Lashley is apparently set for Tuesday, I figure it'll be a loser leaves ECW match, and then he can take time off and come back to whatever brand for the Hogan match (if he can do it). I've got to give WWE credit, in one night, they managed to kill Punk, kill RVD, kill the brand, and told the fans to fuck off WHILE charging $40 for it. The PPV webcast actually had more matches than were announced for this show. At least Big Show got a big standing ovation after the show, in his hometown no less. Oh, and one of the people chanting "TNA" after RVD was beaten was RVD's wife, which says a lot about the rumors of him going to TNA, with its super-stringent drug policy.

Hey, at least they killed CM Punk. That alone would've been worth my $40, assuming I ordered WWE ppvs.

[mykevermin]

How can we, realistically, be so disappointed coming out of a PPV we were all disappointed going into?

[Zenithian Legend]

How can we, realistically, be so disappointed coming out of a PPV we were all disappointed going into?

Ooh, ooh I know, we could get to b-dubs late and miss the only match worth watching!