Motor Storm target render vs. gameplay comparison

[Grave_Addiction]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xvW5sI-LMw0
I always enjoy looking back on broken Sony promises. They've done this since they've entered the gaming business, and I would love it more than anything for someone to call Kutaragi or Kaz out during an interview and see what they say about it.

[swetooth9]

well you can't really compare what looks like a beginning cutscene/trailer type thing (you know those things that automatically play at the "press start" screen when you dont do anything for about a minute) with actual gameplay..dont most games have a prerendered cutscene type thing when you boot up your game that is just like that?

[nickmad]

i wouldnt call it a broken promise...
the game delivered much closer to the target render than other games.

[Grave_Addiction]

well you can't really compare what looks like a beginning cutscene/trailer type thing (you know those things that automatically play at the "press start" screen when you dont do anything for about a minute) with actual gameplay..dont most games have a prerendered cutscene type thing when you boot up your game that is just like that?

The problem is, and I'm 99% sure, Sony claimed this was actual in-game footage when it first released the video. Same thing with the Madden trailer and now Killzone 2.

I hate how Sony lies to us to hype their consoles, and they always, ALWAYS underdeliver on their hardware.

I'm so sick of it.

[nickmad]

The problem is, and I'm 99% sure, Sony claimed this was actual in-game footage when it first released the video. Same thing with the Madden trailer and now Killzone 2.

I hate how Sony lies to us to hype their consoles, and they always, ALWAYS underdeliver on their hardware.

I'm so sick of it.

if you havent gotten used to it now....
seriously, im thinking of calling the WAHHHMBULANCE on this one.

[furyk]

Several people threw Motorstorm out as in game footage. Now it just looks kind of, well, unimpressive especially considering what was shown before. Motorstorm is what a lot of Sony fanboys are screaming is the 600 game along with Resistance. For their sake, I hope they're right.

And no wahmbulance is necessary. Game developers shouldn't be able to pull this bullshit. It's false advertising, and they were right for shooting it down in the UK with COD 2.

[Noodle Pirate!]

Please don't jinx Killzone 2. I still have hope they can make the game just like the trailer. :P
I dont know much about renders and all that stuff, but what is keeping them from making it look like that in the game? Isn't it just a question of using up more memory to skin it and light it in that more detailed style? Or is it that even the ps3 graphics cant handle something like that?

[Grave_Addiction]

Please don't jinx Killzone 2. I still have hope they can make the game just like the trailer. :P
I dont know much about renders and all that stuff, but what is keeping them from making it look like that in the game? Isn't it just a question of using up more memory to skin it and light it in that more detailed style? Or is it that even the ps3 graphics cant handle something like that?

Maybe it's the fact that games probably won't look like that for another 10 years or more.

[Grave_Addiction]

if you havent gotten used to it now....
seriously, im thinking of calling the WAHHHMBULANCE on this one.

You can call it all you want. The fact is we shouldn't let hardware or software companies get away with outright lying to us about their prospective products just to hype them up.

It's bad for the industry and it's not ethical.

[Zoglog]

who cares.

MGS4 =p

and target videos are different than TV ads

[Maynard]

I'm almost 100% sony never claimed that was ingame footage. If you ever thought it was you probably shouldn't ever post here again. In fact just give up on life.

[jollydwarf]

Whether one believes it was in-game footage or not doesn't change the rather obvious intent Sony had to deceive. They may not have "claimed" it was in-game footage, but I'm almost 100% certain they might as well have.

Fuck semantics.

EDIT: To be fair, the now-notorious Madden Draft Day 2005 teaser trailer was obviously meant to imply that was how it was going to look on the 360. Sony just does this more than the others. A lot more.

[Thomas96]

I think Sony is on track to reach the goals that they set from the pre rendered video, motorstorm looks great imo, and I know Motorstorm 2 will be even better.

[jollydwarf]

Motorstorm 2?! 'Plant' or preteen?

[jasonlotp]

I played the Motorstorm demo at Target. It was basically just another racing game with poor controls and average graphics. I mean how can anyone get excited about brown dirt? I played for 2 minutes and then got bored. I came back two times after that to try and give it a second chance. Both times the PS3 unit was frozen in the middle of a Motorstorm race.
Its meh at best.

[captmurphy]

Downloaded the demo today... by far the most visually impressive game I have personally witnessed on the PS3... I have Resistance and the Formula 1 demo to compare it to.

[mik]

Comparing to this is much more fair--though they still, inexplicably, don't use the first-person view much:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14207&type=mov&pl=game (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14207&type=mov&pl=game)

But at least it does use actual in-game assets, lighting, textures, etc.

[slickkill77]

Sony did say both Motorstorm and Killzone were in game footage....they tried to back out of it later though....Its funny how graphics compel people over game play these days. I never played killzone but i heard it was meh at best. So now people see a preety video and think its the greatest game ever. HAlo didnt have the best graphics but it got everything right...

[icruise]

I played the Motorstorm demo at Target. It was basically just another racing game with poor controls and average graphics. I mean how can anyone get excited about brown dirt? I played for 2 minutes and then got bored. I came back two times after that to try and give it a second chance. Both times the PS3 unit was frozen in the middle of a Motorstorm race.
Its meh at best.
I didn't think it was that great when I played it at a kiosk, but when I downloaded it to play at home (on a 50" TV, mind you) I was pretty impressed. Especially in the first-person view, it's got some amazing graphics.

[Richlough]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97178&highlight=%22motorstorm+nicely%22

I played it at Target , and was unimpressed , by the crumpled paper-like dented car panel textures/wireframes .

No PSP rearview mirror ? LOL

The next gen Smugglers Run .

[Zoglog]

wow all these morons are coming here bashing the Target Demo which we've stated numerous times on this board that it's FRICKING OUTDATED.

[DarkNessBear]

The problem is, and I'm 99% sure, Sony claimed this was actual in-game footage when it first released the video. Same thing with the Madden trailer and now Killzone 2.

I hate how Sony lies to us to hype their consoles, and they always, ALWAYS underdeliver on their hardware.

I'm so sick of it.

-_- Oh come on. Just cause its sony you have to bitch. Sony never said once that "The following you see is ingame footage!" They just showed video of their upcoming games. And instead of having some text on screen and no footage they put together a show peice. All fucking games do this..

Gears of War... Halo 3... Perfect Dark... Assassins Creed... Man, I can go on and on.

Get over it.

[Zoglog]

Heh one thing people often overlook is that the Red Steel Trailers Nintendo/Ubisoft showed numerous times were WAY OFF from what the actual graphics looked like and so was the GAMEPLAY for that matter. don't see people bitching about that =p.

Oh that's right, Only Sony and Microsoft are evil... gotcha

[Richlough]

wow all these morons are coming here bashing the Target Demo which we've stated numerous times on this board that it's FRICKING OUTDATED.

Well then why would they use something FRICKING OUTDATED as a marketing tool ?:booty:

[Zoglog]

Well then why would they use something FRICKING OUTDATED as a marketing tool ?:booty:

dont ask me how thier kiosk distrobution works

[screwkick]

I just downloaded the Motostorm demo tonight. On my 43" Samsung DLP, it looks pretty damn good.

[CheapyD]

I'll have the retail (japanese) version this week.
Should have full impressions by CAGcast #56.

[daroga]

Heh one thing people often overlook is that the Red Steel Trailers Nintendo/Ubisoft showed numerous times were WAY OFF from what the actual graphics looked like and so was the GAMEPLAY for that matter. don't see people bitching about that =p.

Oh that's right, Only Sony and Microsoft are evil... gotchaUm, people complained about that a lot. And rightfully so. No company should be trying to pass off renders as in-game.

That being said, watching the Motostorm target render, I have to wonder what on earth people were smoking to think that that is what the game would look like. These new systems are powerful, but, heavens, think it through, my friends.

[icruise]

That being said, watching the Motostorm target render, I have to wonder what on earth people were smoking to think that that is what the game would look like. These new systems are powerful, but, heavens, think it through, my friends.
Yeah, I thought that as well. The E3 movie looks like some kind of CGI motion picture, not something you could realistically expect to see in a game. I'm interested to know if Sony actually said that it was in-game footage, because frankly it doesn't look anything like in-game footage, what with the cinematic camera angles and whatnot.

[FriskyTanuki]

Yeah, I thought that as well. The E3 movie looks like some kind of CGI motion picture, not something you could realistically expect to see in a game. I'm interested to know if Sony actually said that it was in-game footage, because frankly it doesn't look anything like in-game footage, what with the cinematic camera angles and whatnot.
I think it would work perfectly as the intro movie you see when the game boots up.

[mik]

I'll have the retail (japanese) version this week.
Should have full impressions by CAGcast #56.
I'm hoping mine arrives from Play Asia on the following Monday (the 18th). Really looking forward to it.

[icruise]

I haven't really looked into the game that much beyond what I've seen in the demo, but are there other kinds of tracks besides the type in the demo (desert racing in the dirt)?

[mwynn]

What other kind of surface would you find in the desert?

[icruise]

I mean are there tracks *aside* from the desert.

[Zoglog]

Motorstorm demo was indeed fun, I just hope they can slap in a good amount of variety above normal dirt tracks. The controls work very similar to excite truck with the motion sensor and work very well for the cars. The Motorcycles in the demo could use a bit of tweaking.

[mik]

The whole thing takes place in Monument Valley and it's an off-road racing game. Still, there appears to be a decent amount of variety there--mud, dirt, and some man-made surfaces all show in up in the various trailers we've seen thus far. Not sure what you'd expect from a game where you drive dirt bikes and dune buggys.

[ITDEFX]

uh oh...that means RE5 won't look like the trailer......so what ever happened to it? scrapped?

[camoor]

You can call it all you want. The fact is we shouldn't let hardware or software companies get away with outright lying to us about their prospective products just to hype them up.

It's bad for the industry and it's not ethical.

It's called... marketing. I enjoy videos like this - but seriously some people act like this doesn't happen in every industry.

Here's another pre-render job, courtesy of Quizno's:

Advertisement:
http://www.junkfoodblog.com/uploaded_images/quiznos-prime-rib-sub-769306.jpg

Reality:
http://www.theimpulsivebuy.com/images/quiznosprimerib.jpg

[FriskyTanuki]

uh oh...that means RE5 won't look like the trailer......so what ever happened to it? scrapped?
Development.

[dallow]

Games are going to get to that level.
Here's a screen of an upcoming PC game.....

http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-jungle-gunfight.jpg

[himsahealer]

Games are going to get to that level.
Here's a screen of an upcoming PC game.....

http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-jungle-gunfight.jpg

Oh I want Crysis so badly! :(

[Zoglog]

Oh I want Crysis so badly! :(

indeed. But to get a PC to play that game smoothly at 1280x720 at least is gonna be damn expensive. At least the game has been delayed but man, I'm looking at spending at least $800 worth of upgrading to get that game to run smoothly

[eau]

So what kind of CPU and graphics card power does it require?

[Zoglog]

So what kind of CPU and graphics card power does it require?

To get it to look like that, DX10 supported card (Geforce 8xxx series) and probably a pretty damn decent CPU.

[DarkNessBear]

Yea Red Steel did it ALL the time with prerendered shit. And they SAID it was real... (The sword fight. Were the guy took the sword and put it up to his neck. like he was playing it)

The motorstorm CG trailer was never said to be ingame...

You guys are just fucking dumb and thought it was.

[rickonker]

So I guess Killzone 2 will look that much worse too. $600, huh?

[CheapyD]

So, I just got back from Yodobashi Camera and saw display boxes for Motorstorm, as the game comes out tomorrow in Japan.

I guess I just assumed this game had online player or some kind of multiplayer...I assumed wrong.

According to the box, it's one player only!

EDIT: According to IGN, the US release will get online play. Still waiting for that GT4 online play though...
While MotorStorm is set for release in Japan sometime this month, it's February or March release in the US will see the addition of online play. Specific details about how this will work are still under wraps, but we're told there will be ranked play complete with leaderboards, tournaments and support for at least eight players, maybe more depending on how well the net code holds up in the end.

[Zoglog]

So, I just got back from Yodobashi Camera and saw display boxes for Motorstorm, as the game comes out tomorrow in Japan.

I guess I just assumed this game had online player or some kind of multiplayer...I assumed wrong.

According to the box, it's one player only!

EDIT: According to IGN, the US release will get online play. Still waiting for that GT4 online play though...

yah, that's why for the delay. It's a real pity because I can see motorstorm shining the most through online play.
Probably the biggest reason why i'm not gonna import it.

[DarkNessBear]

Cant wait to hear CheapyD's impressions. Its definetally along the lines of... "You know... im not that impressed. It is fun. But it isnt... great."

Sort of what he says for every game.

[benjamouth]

Cant wait to hear CheapyD's impressions. Its definetally along the lines of... "You know... im not that impressed. It is fun. But it isnt... great."

Sort of what he says for every game.

Yeah, I hate the way Cheapy gives his honest impression of something :roll:

Much better to give us the Sony PR view "Yes this is the greatest game ever made as this video will go to prove"

[CheapyD]

I wonder if the Japanese get screwed on this, or the online component will be available via download.
Somehow, it seems unlikely that Sony will be able to pull that together.

[furyk]

Yea Red Steel did it ALL the time with prerendered shit. And they SAID it was real... (The sword fight. Were the guy took the sword and put it up to his neck. like he was playing it)

The motorstorm CG trailer was never said to be ingame...

You guys are just fucking dumb and thought it was.

DB, I love you, but man. You're posting Red Steel, perhaps the most universally shit on game at the Wii launch as Nintendo doing the same thing too? It's been criticized as looking below a Xbox game on several occasions well before launch.

Look, Motorstorm didn't look that great. It's an offroad racer that really would only appeal to a small section of gamers if it wasn't the first big post launch release for the PS3. Motorstorm wasn't and never will be a killer ap as much as Sony wants you to believe it is unless you think the ATV series is a killer ap as well. Most people don't. It looks like it'll be a good, not great title.

[dallow]

DB, I love you, but man. You're posting Red Steel, perhaps the most universally shit on game at the Wii launch as Nintendo doing the same thing too? It's been criticized as looking below a Xbox game on several occasions well before launch.

Look, Motorstorm didn't look that great. It's an offroad racer that really would only appeal to a small section of gamers if it wasn't the first big post launch release for the PS3. Motorstorm wasn't and never will be a killer ap as much as Sony wants you to believe it is unless you think the ATV series is a killer ap as well. Most people don't. It looks like it'll be a good, not great title.
Motorstorm doesn't look great?
Have you downloaded the new build of the demo and played it at home?

You have to be joking, it's beauitful! And it's really not my kind of game at all, I hated the terrible demo of it at the store kiosks on their crappy LCDS. If I went by that, then yeah, it's a mediocre game.
But you have to play it for real before you can judge it like that, it's a really good racer. Gameplay and gorgeous visuals.

[icruise]

I'll have to agree. I don't like this kind of racer at all, but it is definitely impressive. I just don't know how well the game will stand up to extended play.

[dallow]

I'll have to agree. I don't like this kind of racer at all, but it is definitely impressive. I just don't know how well the game will stand up to extended play.
Online, ranked, games is sure to help with that.

Here's a screen from the Japanese retail game.

http://static.flickr.com/142/321264897_99f07554a0_b.jpg

Enjoy Cheapy!
Damn I want to import it!

More shots here:
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=66262

[DarkNessBear]

looks goood.

mud looks crazy.

[rickonker]

So, I just got back from Yodobashi Camera and saw display boxes for Motorstorm, as the game comes out tomorrow in Japan.

I guess I just assumed this game had online player or some kind of multiplayer...I assumed wrong.

According to the box, it's one player only!

EDIT: According to IGN, the US release will get online play. Still waiting for that GT4 online play though...

Ok, so before release they're promising 8 players online. That means we can expect 4 or less.

[DarkNessBear]

So does CheapyD have it in show number 55?

Ugh, I want to listen. But I think I should save it for my longgg ass mother fucking drive.

I have to drive by myself to San Francisco. . . 450 miles. Im going to want to horde up some Podcasts. Need around 8 hours worth.

[furyk]

Motorstorm doesn't look great?
Have you downloaded the new build of the demo and played it at home?

You misunderstood me. When I said it didn't look that great, I meant the game didn't look that great as a total package. Visually it looks quite impressive. I just can see this game potentially disappointing a lot of people as off-road racer doesn't really grab a lot of people. Motorstorm could be totally awesome or it could be DOA 4, a game that will always have its defenders but will ultimately be perceived as mediocre by the general public. The kiosk demo did very little to eliminate those fears (I don't have a PS3 yet, I'll probably get one when they come into stock through Overstock though with the 10-15% deals and for VF 5). I really want it to be "Burnout" good, but other then the screens, I haven't seen anything in it that makes me think I'll be playing it as a Burnout.

DB: It's not in this weeks podcast.

[doraemonkerpal]

:looking at dallow's picture:

wow, that is the best looking mud i have ever seen in a videogame lol! :shock:

[Mookyjooky]

Whats up with all the dickheads in here?

He mentions Sony and their obvious bullshit tactics, and we get people telling him to give up on life.

Sony f*cked people plain, simple and hard to get people to waste money on that polished turd... I'm surprised people are actually backing them up on this. Especially if you actually bought the thing.

[slickkill77]

Your sig reminds me of that simpsons episode where they go to remier wolfcastles yard sale and homer plays tetris to get the stuff in the car

[schuerm26]

:looking at dallow's picture:

wow, that is the best looking mud i have ever seen in a videogame lol! :shock:

Which is really the only important thing, isn't it :) Screw gameplay and innovation.