Ok folks, I'm asking for it. Defend Bush!

[ZForce915]

I've taken a stand here on CAG, I'm heavily in favor of the Dems in the upcoming election. Not to say I'm a dem, but it's clear I hate Bush, right?

Well I thought it would only be fair for those who like the president to post why they do. So in this case, you aren't defending Bush, but rather telling us why you like him as a president. I would honestly like to hear why. Because I just can't see it, and I feel it is important to see the other side when making decisions.

Show me the other side.

[Mookyjooky]

I wanna keep bush cause he's bettered us by having us give up all our freedoms for security and because if he didn't get elected...then who else would finish George Bush Sr's work? Those filthy Sand people in they're stupid country. When will they learn that we control the world and we own them? We should just A-Bomb all the countries that dont agree with the american way. The RIGHT way.

Now excuse me while I go to mcdonalds in my 80 foot gas guzzling SUV with american flags all over it to show my support! While I sit out in the car with the car running, so I can be air conditioned. Im so fat and I get hot so easily. BLARG.

[jmcc]

Because, believe it or not, he smells like fresh baked cookies. All the time. It's great. The secret service must love him.

[craigjm]

he turned around the economy, put more money in my pocket, and is taking the fight to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to come here.

[Mookyjooky]

he turned around the economy, put more money in my pocket, and is taking the fight to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to come here.

(PSST....they're already here....)

[legion_stxds]

he turned around the economy, put more money in my pocket, and is taking the fight to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to come here.
Money in my pocket and economy is really a great reason... being that I will graduate in a year with a BS in Electrical Engineering, the economy is a prime topic for me. I need a job and money. Government spending (think defense contracts) will help me get a job!

[ZForce915]

First I'd like to point out that while I am enjoying the Bush bashing, I truly want to see what his supporters have to say.

Second, I really hope the economy comment is a joke...right?

Now I'll do my best to refrain from doing any commentary here and just listen...

[Mookyjooky]

Remember Kids! If you fuck up the economy and then fix it back to 75% of what it was....that still doesnt mean that he's making the economy better!

[Mookyjooky]

First I'd like to point out that while I am enjoying the Bush bashing, I truly want to see what his supporters have to say.

Second, I really hope the economy comment is a joke...right?

Now I'll do my best to refrain from doing any commentary here and just listen...

OK, Im done....I'll be good.

[jeffreyjrose]

Hey, no dividend tax... that was his idea. It saves me thousands of dollars each year... or wait, maybe it saves the owner of the factory for which I work... I can't remember. Oh, and the estate tax used to cheat people out of their deceased loved ones' belongings... or wait, maybe only Hollywood movie stars had to pay large sums of money. This is all so confusing. I like Bush!?????

[Cornfedwb]

Quite honestly almost all of the Bush bashing I see on here is childish and based on either Democratic propoganda or wild rumors. I have a bad feeling the majority of our voter public these days is too stupid to be voting on a president. I'll be happily voting for Bush this fall, and for many of my own reasons that I have researched to a decent extent.

I don't believe Bush is the best man for the job.. however Kerry has an absolutely horrendous track record when it comes to his congressional service.

I don't feel like typing three pages of explanation out, but try to look at what you're saying and see if its as ignorant as most of the comments I see are.

[Ikohn4ever]

ahh the estate tax, where the wealthy can make huge sums of money in the stock market and die and their inheriters will never have to pay a dime, the beauty of a republican america, I cant wait to get my new private jet with the money I steal from the pockets of the working class, jet fuel is expensive u know

[Squirms]

OK, I'll take the bait. Reasons I like President Bush:
1. His strong stance on terrorism. He has been trying his best to keep me and my family safe here at home, and it has so far worked. His invasion of Iraq and Afganistan were to address either immediate threats, or future threats directed towards this country. I would like to see any other candidate take such a stand.
2. The Economy. Bush inherited an economy in rapid decline. People praise Clinton for the powerful economy during his term, but noone seems to acknowledge that it was the tech boom driving the gains. When the bubble burst, so did the economy. Bush has put it back on the fast track to recovery.
Reasons I don't like President Bush:
1. Border policy. This countries border policy is a mess. There isn't nearly any watch over either the Canadian, or Mexican border. This makes it easy for anyone to get into this country, including terrorists with dirty bombs. Also, granting temporary citizenship to millions of illegal Mexican immigrants is ludicrious. Vicente Fox will not be allowing the best of the population to recieve this, he is sending the criminals and lowlife, just like Castro did in the 70's.
2. The Medicare entitlement. Forcing Senior Citizens into a specific drug plan, regardless of if they want it or not is stupid.

Bush has been the best in his foreign policy, but has been shitty in his domestic policy. If I felt there were a better candidate for president, then I would vote for him. I haven't heard Kerry give any real insight as to what he will do different as president, beside raise taxes on the "rich", and the taxes garnered from these people would not pay for the new programs that Kerry has introduced. I have heard a ton of Bush Bashing, but have yet to hear any opinions on how to make things better. If Kerry can make a stand and say "Here is what is wrong, here is what I'm going to do to fix it" then I will certainly listen, and could possibly change my vote.

[jeffreyjrose]

ahh the estate tax, where the wealthy can make huge sums of money in the stock market and die and their inheriters will never have to pay a dime, the beauty of a republican america, I cant wait to get my new private jet with the money I steal from the pockets of the working class, jet fuel is expensive u know

*It's not as expensive if you're from Texas and have huge holdings in oil companies...* :wink:

[Mookyjooky]

A true revolution is when the young and the poor finally vote. I hate Bush, I vote every election season...but Bush is catering to the voters. I hate to say it, but well....he is.

[Cornfedwb]

I have a question for everyone who thinks taxes should be higher on the rich.. what fucking right do you have to take their money?

A. Income taxes were constituionally outlawed until the late 1800s.. and for good reason, they still should be.

B. If you must have income taxes, you have exactly 0 right to tax someone at a higher rate simply because they make more money. Bush lowered the rate a small amount on the rich, they still pay a higher percentage.

So don't go bitching about how the rich need to pay higher taxes, its immoral and wrong.

And for those of you that can't wrap your head around that: http://www.aynrand.org

[legion_stxds]

As long as they needs technological weapons of mass destruction... which means more electrical engineering jobs... hey I'm for bush

[legion_stxds]

A true revolution is when the young and the poor finally vote. I hate Bush, I vote every election season...but Bush is catering to the voters. I hate to say it, but well....he is.

Don't they all cater to the voters... Kerry's switching stances is proof.

[Ikohn4ever]

1. His strong stance on terrorism. He has been trying his best to keep me and my family safe here at home, and it has so far worked. His invasion of Iraq and Afganistan were to address either immediate threats, or future threats directed towards this country. I would like to see any other candidate take such a stand.
2. The Economy. Bush inherited an economy in rapid decline. People praise Clinton for the powerful economy during his term, but noone seems to acknowledge that it was the tech boom driving the gains. When the bubble burst, so did the economy. Bush has put it back on the fast track to recovery.
Reasons I don't like President Bush:

Well first off he has spent much time before being president with the people he is pursuing now. He was fine when the Taliban came to the US to deal with the pipeline to the Caspian sea, lets not forget Rumsfeld was buddy buddy with Sadaam. He has done nothing to keep u safe, how many terror alerts have been accurate, I am sure other president have had terror alerts but it is best for the people not to know so they can live their lives in peace instead of living in fear with a whole lot of ducktape

His economy is horrible, u claim he put the US back on the fast track to recovery, but only now is the economy slowly comin back, 4 yrs is not fast for a president. His trickle down crap does not work, the rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting poorer. He cares nothing for the lower income families. Who do u think he recruits for his war and who do u think is effected the most by jobs and companies going overseas, the lower class.

[grandamchandler]

Things bush has done wrong. (small list)

1. Dip into PROTECTED Social Security funds.

2. Medicare. I can't believe how much people have to pay now

3. Estate Tax

4. Tax Shelters for the Rich. Go look this up if you don't know what this is, very disturbing.....

[magilacudy]

As long as they needs technological weapons of mass destruction... which means more electrical engineering jobs... hey I'm for bush

Amen to that brother! (Well except for the Bush part)

[Squirms]

The poor is getting poorer? Let's see, my yearly household income is around $50,000. Since the tax cuts, my paycheck has gotten bigger, and my tax return last year was the largest one I have ever had. Apparently, by your logic, $50,000 must be the new rich. Who woulda thunk it?

[Ikohn4ever]

50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas

[CTLesq]

A true revolution is when the young and the poor finally vote. I hate Bush, I vote every election season...but Bush is catering to the voters. I hate to say it, but well....he is.

You have made that abundantly clear.

Do you think by posting a comment after every pro-Bush post you convince anyone? Or even post something we haven't heard before?

[Cornfedwb]

50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas

Wait, let me guess.. it's Bush's fault they're not making any money right? They deserve to make $150,000 a year when they have no education and no employable skills right? Wait I know.. we should just go Socialist, then everyone would have just enough and we wouldn't have to reward our better employees by paying them more money. [/sarcasm]

[craigjm]

We need to get rid of medicare and social security all together. I don't want to be forced to pay for someone else's retirement, just let me save for my own.

[Tromack]

I won't defend Bush. He isn't as bad a president as most people, myself included, say he is. He hasn't exactly had the easiest term to deal with. That being said, he has taken America from being almost unanimously loved after 9/11 to bar-none the most hated country in the world.

[WarrenGekko]

On a serious note, there is only one reason why I am voting for George Bush.

If Osama bin Laden was voting, who would he vote for? Who does Osama want to win between Kerry and Bush?
He wants Kerry. Bush has been beating his brains in. He hates Bush with a passion of a thousand fires. He prays every day to his fake god for Kerry to win.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM VOTING FOR BUSH. Osama wants a breather from the constant beating he is getting. I'm not going to let it happen.

[craigjm]

Other countries have always been jealous of us.

[redgopher]

I wanna keep bush cause he's bettered us by having us give up all our freedoms for security and because if he didn't get elected...then who else would finish George Bush Sr's work? Those filthy Sand people in they're stupid country. When will they learn that we control the world and we own them? We should just A-Bomb all the countries that dont agree with the american way. The RIGHT way.

Now excuse me while I go to mcdonalds in my 80 foot gas guzzling SUV with american flags all over it to show my support! While I sit out in the car with the car running, so I can be air conditioned. Im so fat and I get hot so easily. BLARG.

You are the god damn MAN.

[The_Continental]

I hesitate to participate in this thread, knowing that left leaning CAGers are just waiting to rip my head off. But I write anyway. . .

Let me start by saying that 4 years ago I was a lot further right than I am now. My 2000 vote went to Harry Browne (if you don't know this guy, google him). Within government, the smaller the better - that was and is my mantra. The libertarian ethos embraces what I feel to be complete freedom - income control. That is, we are not truly free until we control our own incomes. Unfortunately, government requires operating finances, there's no way around that. But do we really need things like the NEA?

That's where I was coming from in 2000. I would have been equally disappointed if either Bush or Gore took office, I didn't want either of them. In the last four years however, Bush has really brought me left of libertarian. Why? you've asked.

At the close of the Clinton era, I was making about 65% of my paycheck, and I was only making $11 /hr at that time. A government entity that takes 35% of an $11 /hr paycheck is unacceptable. Remember, at one point, we Americans were blowing people's heads off for taxing our BREAKFAST BEVERAGE. I was convinced the same would continue, no matter who took Clinton's place.

As soon as Bush took office, before 9/11, I started to see my income tax decrease. But we'll get to that later.

Bush went to war in Iraq. Lefties hate that. They feel there was no justification. WMD? an al-qeada link? I don't care about any of that. I would have supported the war without any of those justifications. Saddam was a murderous dictator, and clearly, ending the turmoil in the middle east is a key to world stability. No one likes to talk about the 300,000 dead kurds discovered in northern Iraq.

I like to compare the current situation in Iraq to Japan after wW II and South Korea after the Korean War. Both of those countries let go of old governmental structure and embraced a capitalist ethos. Look at them both now. I drive a Japanese car and talk on a Korean cell phone. Iraq has the opportunity now to become a world leader in technology and manfacturing, the talent is already there. I hope they find the motivation. (side note - South Korea managed to become a world leader in less than 50 years, and that war hasn't even ended)

So, here we are. Bush, knowing that al-qeada-like entities would always exist in an unstable world, opted to try to bring stability to a terrorist breeding ground. And who knows? maybe in 10 years we'll be playing Iraqi video games. We're already playing Korean and Japanese ones. In 30 years, when the middle east is a productive contributor to the technology industry and economy, Bush will likely be looked at as a visionary.

That said, it's now 2004, the end of Bush's first term, and I'm bringin' home 75% of my paycheck. I've been able to buy a house, fix it up, and have money left over. Fact of the matter is, home ownership rates are better than they've ever been. For most people, a home is the only real equity they ever build. It's wonderful to know that more people than ever have are able to make this important investment. I can only assume this has to do with people having more money, and lower interest rates.

Things are getting better. Let the man do his job.

[Ikohn4ever]

50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas

Wait, let me guess.. it's Bush's fault they're not making any money right? They deserve to make $150,000 a year when they have no education and no employable skills right? Wait I know.. we should just go Socialist, then everyone would have just enough and we wouldn't have to reward our better employees by paying them more money. [/sarcasm]

I guess we should just make all the people are the rich even richer and have them have the only say in this government. We will have the poor fight the war so the rich can make more money off of no bid contracts that bush gave to his rich friends. Warren Buffet even complained about his tax policies that the rich are getting too rich and he is the second richest American, when he starts complaining about the numerous advantages of the wealthy, u know there is a problem

[redgopher]

On a serious note, there is only one reason why I am voting for George Bush.

If Osama bin Laden was voting, who would he vote for? Who does Osama want to win between Kerry and Bush?
He wants Kerry. Bush has been beating his brains in. He hates Bush with a passion of a thousand fires. He prays every day to his fake god for Kerry to win.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM VOTING FOR BUSH. Osama wants a breather from the constant beating he is getting. I'm not going to let it happen.

Honestly, no matter who wins, I don't think this shit is going to end soon... because if it does, we'll be the weak ones who just gave up (in their eyes...) and we'll be weak, a pushover, a bunch of yankee pussies. Which really sucks, you know, because I don't think we should be fucking around out there anyways. Ugh.... what a mess.

And maybe you haven't noticed, but when was the last time you saw Osama getting fucked up? He isn't. We aren't doing anything about al-Qaeda right now. Right now it's all about oil and money. That's it. We aren't fighting terrorism, we're fighting for profit.

[Squirms]

50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas

The point behind this was that I must be rich because I make $50,000. Since the rich are getting richer. Do you even realize that the top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03% of Income taxes according to the IRS.

[MrBadExample]

On a serious note, there is only one reason why I am voting for George Bush.

If Osama bin Laden was voting, who would he vote for? Who does Osama want to win between Kerry and Bush?
He wants Kerry. Bush has been beating his brains in. He hates Bush with a passion of a thousand fires. He prays every day to his fake god for Kerry to win.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM VOTING FOR BUSH. Osama wants a breather from the constant beating he is getting. I'm not going to let it happen.

Trust me, Osama is going to hate whomever is the president - Kerry, Bush or Nader. And Bush has given Osama a breather by pulling most of our troops out of Afghanistan and sending them to Iraq. Osama should worry more about Kerry because he wants to have more UN involvement in Iraq which will free up soldiers to go after the people who actually attacked us on 9/11.

[ZForce915]

I hesitate to participate in this thread, knowing that left leaning CAGers are just waiting to rip my head off. But I write anyway. . .

Let me start by saying that 4 years ago I was a lot further right than I am now. My 2000 vote went to Harry Browne (if you don't know this guy, google him). Within government, the smaller the better - that was and is my mantra. The libertarian ethos embraces what I feel to be complete freedom - income control. That is, we are not truly free until we control our own incomes. Unfortunately, government requires operating finances, there's no way around that. But do we really need things like the NEA?

That's where I was coming from in 2000. I would have been equally disappointed if either Bush or Gore took office, I didn't want either of them. In the last four years however, Bush has really brought me left of libertarian. Why? you've asked.

At the close of the Clinton era, I was making about 65% of my paycheck, and I was only making $11 /hr at that time. A government entity that takes 35% of an $11 /hr paycheck is unacceptable. Remember, at one point, we Americans were blowing people's heads off for taxing our BREAKFAST BEVERAGE. I was convinced the same would continue, no matter who took Clinton's place.

As soon as Bush took office, before 9/11, I started to see my income tax decrease. But we'll get to that later.

Bush went to war in Iraq. Lefties hate that. They feel there was no justification. WMD? an al-qeada link? I don't care about any of that. I would have supported the war without any of those justifications. Saddam was a murderous dictator, and clearly, ending the turmoil in the middle east is a key to world stability. No one likes to talk about the 300,000 dead kurds discovered in northern Iraq.

I like to compare the current situation in Iraq to Japan after wW II and South Korea after the Korean War. Both of those countries let go of old governmental structure and embraced a capitalist ethos. Look at them both now. I drive a Japanese car and talk on a Korean cell phone. Iraq has the opportunity now to become a world leader in technology and manfacturing, the talent is already there. I hope they find the motivation. (side note - South Korea managed to become a world leader in less than 50 years, and that war hasn't even ended)

So, here we are. Bush, knowing that al-qeada-like entities would always exist in an unstable world, opted to try to bring stability to a terrorist breeding ground. And who knows? maybe in 10 years we'll be playing Iraqi video games. We're already playing Korean and Japanese ones. In 30 years, when the middle east is a productive contributor to the technology industry and economy, Bush will likely be looked at as a visionary.

That said, it's now 2004, the end of Bush's first term, and I'm bringin' home 75% of my paycheck. I've been able to buy a house, fix it up, and have money left over. Fact of the matter is, home ownership rates are better than they've ever been. For most people, a home is the only real equity they ever build. It's wonderful to know that more people than ever have are able to make this important investment. I can only assume this has to do with people having more money, and lower interest rates.

Things are getting better. Let the man do his job.

Congrats for posting a well laid out approval. Yes you'll be bashed. In other threads I'd be doing it...but here I will not.

[Ikohn4ever]

50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas

The point behind this was that I must be rich because I make $50,000. Since the rich are getting richer. Do you even realize that the top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03% of Income taxes according to the IRS.

and what percentage to they pay in capital gaines, or how many are Enron type folk who dont even go to jail, while a kid with a lil pot does go to jail. How many own companies that are avoiding taxes because they are stationed over seas or have something to do with shady banking in the Foreign countries. They are goin to be still rich even after all there alleged taxes that go the gov. The poor's precentage of taxes maybe smaller but it effects them a lot more

[ZForce915]

I'm going to try and take this back early...hey lefties! I'm with you and your rants. But this is not the thread for it. Take it to one of the many other Bush-bashing threads.

[Cornfedwb]

My post earlier about ignorant baseless comments just seems to be getting proven over and over in this thread, thanks MookyJooky, IKohn4ever and redgopher. You've managed to show us all how most of the Bush bashing is based on nothing, and is simply ignorant ranting.

[Tromack]

Other countries have always been jealous of us.

There is a significant difference between jealousy and hatred.

Bush went to war in Iraq. Lefties hate that. They feel there was no justification. WMD? an al-qeada link? I don't care about any of that. I would have supported the war without any of those justifications. Saddam was a murderous dictator, and clearly, ending the turmoil in the middle east is a key to world stability. No one likes to talk about the 300,000 dead kurds discovered in northern Iraq.

I agree that Saddam was a terrible man and the world is better now that he is not in control of a country. That being said, trying to justify the war for other reasons was shady and underhanded of the current administration. If they had flat out said that they wanted regime change then I would not be so upset. What really needed to be done was to get Osama Bin Laden once and for all. By going to war in Iraq we weakened our offensive against Al-Qaeda and other potentially worse groups (North Korea). And other countries had far greater links to 9/11 than Iraq but you don't see us doing shit against them because we like oil too much(Saudi Arabia). I also do not like how Bush said while campaigning that he did not belive in war-mongering and nation building. That sure turned out to be true didn't it?

[The_Continental]

Hurrah.

My post earlier about ignorant baseless comments just seems to be getting proven over and over in this thread, thanks MookyJooky, IKohn4ever and redgopher. You've managed to show us all how most of the Bush bashing is based on nothing, and is simply ignorant ranting.

[The_Continental]

Bush is trying to create a situation where new Osamas don't take the old one's place. The only way to do that is bring capitalism and consumerism to an otherwise unstable environment. If that qualifies as war-mongering and nation-building, then so be it.

Other countries have always been jealous of us.

There is a significant difference between jealousy and hatred.

Bush went to war in Iraq. Lefties hate that. They feel there was no justification. WMD? an al-qeada link? I don't care about any of that. I would have supported the war without any of those justifications. Saddam was a murderous dictator, and clearly, ending the turmoil in the middle east is a key to world stability. No one likes to talk about the 300,000 dead kurds discovered in northern Iraq.

I agree that Saddam was a terrible man and the world is better now that he is not in control of a country. That being said, trying to justify the war for other reasons was shady and underhanded of the current administration. If they had flat out said that they wanted regime change then I would not be so upset. What really needed to be done was to get Osama Bin Laden once and for all. By going to war in Iraq we weakened our offensive against Al-Qaeda and other potentially worse groups (North Korea). And other countries had far greater links to 9/11 than Iraq but you don't see us doing shit against them because we like oil too much(Saudi Arabia). I also do not like how Bush said while campaigning that he did not belive in war-mongering and nation building. That sure turned out to be true didn't it?

[Ikohn4ever]

My post earlier about ignorant baseless comments just seems to be getting proven over and over in this thread, thanks MookyJooky, IKohn4ever and redgopher. You've managed to show us all how most of the Bush bashing is based on nothing, and is simply ignorant ranting.

If u consider talking about the truth as bashing, then I am some sort of bashaholic, it really shows your qualities when u avoid talking about the topic and start talking about the posters, bravo :applause: you sir are awesome

[Squirms]

On a serious note, there is only one reason why I am voting for George Bush.

If Osama bin Laden was voting, who would he vote for? Who does Osama want to win between Kerry and Bush?
He wants Kerry. Bush has been beating his brains in. He hates Bush with a passion of a thousand fires. He prays every day to his fake god for Kerry to win.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM VOTING FOR BUSH. Osama wants a breather from the constant beating he is getting. I'm not going to let it happen.

Trust me, Osama is going to hate whomever is the president - Kerry, Bush or Nader. And Bush has given Osama a breather by pulling most of our troops out of Afghanistan and sending them to Iraq. Osama should worry more about Kerry because he wants to have more UN involvement in Iraq which will free up soldiers to go after the people who actually attacked us on 9/11.

Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.

[Cornfedwb]

My post earlier about ignorant baseless comments just seems to be getting proven over and over in this thread, thanks MookyJooky, IKohn4ever and redgopher. You've managed to show us all how most of the Bush bashing is based on nothing, and is simply ignorant ranting.

If u consider talking about the truth as bashing, then I am some sort of bashaholic, it really shows your qualities when u avoid talking about the topic and start talking about the posters, bravo :applause: you sir are awesome

Actually, I've made many posts already in this thread. However, I was pointing out a corollary to one of my original posts. That 90%+ of the bush bashing I see (especially on this site) is said with the knowledge of a small monkey or maybe a large avocado.

I don't know if it's the age of the posters, or simply a craving to feel politically active without actually taking to time to research the issues and acquire any sort of knowledge about the candidates.. but whatever it is, its pretty sad.

[The_Continental]

Agreed, I have to think that most of the Bush bashers here are 18-22 years of age, without full time jobs, investments, or any other financial stake in society. Again, just an assumption.

My post earlier about ignorant baseless comments just seems to be getting proven over and over in this thread, thanks MookyJooky, IKohn4ever and redgopher. You've managed to show us all how most of the Bush bashing is based on nothing, and is simply ignorant ranting.

If u consider talking about the truth as bashing, then I am some sort of bashaholic, it really shows your qualities when u avoid talking about the topic and start talking about the posters, bravo :applause: you sir are awesome

Actually, I've made many posts already in this thread. However, I was pointing out a corollary to one of my original posts. That 90%+ of the bush bashing I see (especially on this site) is said with the knowledge of a small monkey or maybe a large avocado.

I don't know if it's the age of the posters, or simply a craving to feel politically active without actually taking to time to research the issues and acquire any sort of knowledge about the candidates.. but whatever it is, its pretty sad.

[Indiana]

I have a question for everyone who thinks taxes should be higher on the rich.. what shaq-fuing right do you have to take their money?

A. Income taxes were constituionally outlawed until the late 1800s.. and for good reason, they still should be.

B. If you must have income taxes, you have exactly 0 right to tax someone at a higher rate simply because they make more money. Bush lowered the rate a small amount on the rich, they still pay a higher percentage.

So don't go bitching about how the rich need to pay higher taxes, its immoral and wrong.

And for those of you that can't wrap your head around that: http://www.aynrand.org

Just remember that most people got rich of the hard working backs of others. If those workers were fairly compensated then some of the old money estates would not be so wealthy. Also, everyone is taxed at the same rate for the same amount of money made. So, if you don't like paying more taxes make less money! As several of my co-workers have always said. Even though I pay more taxes I also take home more money....

[MrBadExample]

Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.

[jeffreyjrose]

Agreed, I have to think that most of the Bush bashers here are 18-22 years of age, without full time jobs, investments, or any other financial stake in society. Again, just an assumption.

My post earlier about ignorant baseless comments just seems to be getting proven over and over in this thread, thanks MookyJooky, IKohn4ever and redgopher. You've managed to show us all how most of the Bush bashing is based on nothing, and is simply ignorant ranting.

If u consider talking about the truth as bashing, then I am some sort of bashaholic, it really shows your qualities when u avoid talking about the topic and start talking about the posters, bravo :applause: you sir are awesome

Actually, I've made many posts already in this thread. However, I was pointing out a corollary to one of my original posts. That 90%+ of the bush bashing I see (especially on this site) is said with the knowledge of a small monkey or maybe a large avocado.

I don't know if it's the age of the posters, or simply a craving to feel politically active without actually taking to time to research the issues and acquire any sort of knowledge about the candidates.. but whatever it is, its pretty sad.

I, sir, am 19 years old... you have that correct. However, I work 40 hours a week third shift in a factory, I spend about five hours a week with my Ebay business, and I work for my Dad's farm about five hours a week. I also am invested fairly heavily in the stock market for a person of my age, and I watch my investments closely. I have a considerable savings, three Certificates of Deposit, a checking account, a NOW account, two credit cards that are always paid on time, three savings bonds, and two cars. I would say that I am heavily invested in society financially, and I am also heavily invested in society by volunteering my time. I spend a great deal of my time helping underprivileged citizens in my neighborhood via cleaning, painting, organizing, leading, etc. events.

I suppose I meet the age criteria. But I am voting for Kerry this fall.

*EDIT* Almost forgot. I am taking eight credit hours this summer at a local college, and I attend college full-time the rest of the year. This summer I have about zero free time!!!

[MrBadExample]

Agreed, I have to think that most of the Bush bashers here are 18-22 years of age, without full time jobs, investments, or any other financial stake in society. Again, just an assumption.

I'm a 37 year old, full-time graphic designer with a 401K plan that has been bleeding money the last few years.

Not that i think any of this should matter. As long as you are 18+, your vote will count as much as mine.

[Tromack]

Bush is trying to create a situation where new Osamas don't take the old one's place. The only way to do that is bring capitalism and consumerism to an otherwise unstable environment. If that qualifies as war-mongering and nation-building, then so be it.

Other countries have always been jealous of us.

There is a significant difference between jealousy and hatred.

Bush went to war in Iraq. Lefties hate that. They feel there was no justification. WMD? an al-qeada link? I don't care about any of that. I would have supported the war without any of those justifications. Saddam was a murderous dictator, and clearly, ending the turmoil in the middle east is a key to world stability. No one likes to talk about the 300,000 dead kurds discovered in northern Iraq.

I agree that Saddam was a terrible man and the world is better now that he is not in control of a country. That being said, trying to justify the war for other reasons was shady and underhanded of the current administration. If they had flat out said that they wanted regime change then I would not be so upset. What really needed to be done was to get Osama Bin Laden once and for all. By going to war in Iraq we weakened our offensive against Al-Qaeda and other potentially worse groups (North Korea). And other countries had far greater links to 9/11 than Iraq but you don't see us doing shit against them because we like oil too much(Saudi Arabia). I also do not like how Bush said while campaigning that he did not belive in war-mongering and nation building. That sure turned out to be true didn't it?

And creating a world that hates us is great for not creating more terrorists isn't it. What most Americans don't realize is that the war on terrorism cannot be waged as a conventional war. All that will do is create more terrorists.

You seem to be a bit confused though. You say you are libertarian and want a small government, and yet you support Bush who has risen deficits and is increasing the size of the government daily.

And yeah I do fall into your age range. But I also work 45 hours a week and while my investments are my father's way of inheritance, I would bet that I have a far more impressive stock portfolio than you. I care about our economy. I care more about my children being hated by every other country.

[Cornfedwb]

Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.

[Indiana]

50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas

Actually the government defines it as under $15,000 a year. How can anyone live off of that?

[vherub]

i was wondering where people get their information/facts from?
i mean on this website all of us are fairly knowledgable about how to get games at as low a cost as possible: where to look, what means are at our disposal and so on .
But reading over this thread, it seems that not everyone is finding the best "value" so to speak or even applying value to the same ideas, depending on what sources you are reading or life judgments you are making. I find that with politics, most people have a hard time stepping back adn tackling the issue from a purely rational perspective. Emotion seeps in and as any cheapass knows, emotion is not your friend when you are trying to get the best deal, you have to be calm, patient and calculating in your actions.

[The_Continental]

Huh, what are you doing at CAG, get busy! jk ... what is Kerry gonna do for you?



I suppose I meet the age criteria. But I am voting for Kerry this fall.

*EDIT* Almost forgot. I am taking eight credit hours this summer at a local college, and I attend college full-time the rest of the year. This summer I have about zero free time!!!

[MrBadExample]

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.

I'll assume you are completely discounting the October Surprise scenario - the one that states Reagan & Co. made a deal with Iran so that the hostages would not be released before the election so Carter would not get a bump in the polls. In return, Reagan funded Iran during the Iran-Iraq war (we funded the Iraqis too - but what are friends for?)

I'm not saying I belive that theory completely. But I find it just as plausible as the one stating that Iran was scared shitless of Reagan.

And I still say Bush has given an easy ride for the last year and a half. Hell the French have come closer to capturing him than we have lately. And John Kerry is fluent in French so maybe Osama will want to keep the devil he knows.

[The_Continental]

If you read my post again, you'll see that I said I was libertarian. I've come a little left of libertarian in the last 4 years. Anyway, your criticism is a good one. Bush has increased the size of government more than I'd like, but considering the circumstances, I understand.


You seem to be a bit confused though. You say you are libertarian and want a small government, and yet you support Bush who has risen deficits and is increasing the size of the government daily.

[Tromack]

Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.

Ok, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The Iranians weren't afraid of Reagan. There was that whole guns for hostages thing. Have you ever heard of that.

And a Democrat, Harry Truman, dropped the bomb. That takes more balls than any other president has ever shown.

As it has been said before, most of the posts here are from uninformed people, and that applies to people on both sides.

And a side note, why was this hornet's nest ever messed with. Let's just get back to talking about video games and let this be done.

[Cornfedwb]

This hornet's nest was messed with in tons of threads, all bashing Bush with absolutely 0 substance.

[The_Continental]

What it means to be a "democrat" has changed a lot over the years. Remember that JFK focused his presidency on shrinking government and cutting taxes. Not very "democrat" by today's standard.



And a Democrat, Harry Truman, dropped the bomb. That takes more balls than any other president has ever shown.

[Captain Inertia]

On a serious note, there is only one reason why I am voting for George Bush.

If Osama bin Laden was voting, who would he vote for? Who does Osama want to win between Kerry and Bush?
He wants Kerry. Bush has been beating his brains in. He hates Bush with a passion of a thousand fires. He prays every day to his fake god for Kerry to win.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM VOTING FOR BUSH. Osama wants a breather from the constant beating he is getting. I'm not going to let it happen.


I don't know about that...I think Osama likes the fact that the US has more enemies now than before 9/11. I think he likes the fact that much of Afghanistan was leveled by US bombs. And because he's a sick piece of crap, he likes that many MANY innocent people were killed by those same bombs. They lead to even more anti-US sentiment, which can be used to strengthen his movement. But I also think he wouldn't give a shit either way who was President. We're ALL infidels in his messed up mind, so it wouldn't matter. I think this is just as silly and ignorant a statement from the right as what Corfedwb is accusing the left of making

[Tromack]

This hornet's nest was messed with in tons of threads, all bashing Bush with absolutely 0 substance.

Ok, so Bush has been bashed a lot. This thread asks for him to be bashed more. If people are going to say why they love Bush, the B-B's (Bush bashers) are just going to respond.

Nobody's opinion is going to change because of this. I say we just let this be and go back to talking about video games.

[Ikohn4ever]

just because u dont believe does not make it not true. You keep on claimin Zero substance, well now the burden of proof is on you to back up that claim. Show me some posts and prove they are false. Otherwise cram it mellonhead

[Tromack]

What it means to be a "democrat" has changed a lot over the years. Remember that JFK focused his presidency on shrinking government and cutting taxes. Not very "democrat" by today's standard.



And a Democrat, Harry Truman, dropped the bomb. That takes more balls than any other president has ever shown.



Well given that it is what Clinton did, and the opposite of what Bush has done. I would say it is a very democrat thing to do.

For the love of god can we please have this bastard locked.

Oh, and The_Continental. Can we get married? I think I am in love with you. You are my favorite person to spar with here. I think our children would be fierce and intelligent.

[Cornfedwb]

just because u dont believe does not make it not true. You keep on claimin Zero substance, well now the burden of proof is on you to back up that claim. Show me some posts and prove they are false. Otherwise cram it mellonhead

Explain to a 4 year old why there are no monsters in his closet. Explain to a mentally challenged child why the earth is round. How can I explain to the people who think their posts have merit that they are baseless and ignorant?

I never said they were false, I just said they were fluff.

[jeffreyjrose]

Lol! I love the CAG community and the gaming deals!!! But yes, I do need some sleep (6 hours please!) before classes this evening. Life is almost too hectic right now... this fall will not come soon enough. I'll come back to this thread later (hopefully) to continue this constructive debate (well, a few people have words of wisdom intermingled with the Bush bashing and mindless rants.)

Over and out,
Jeff

Huh, what are you doing at CAG, get busy! jk ... what is Kerry gonna do for you?



I suppose I meet the age criteria. But I am voting for Kerry this fall.

*EDIT* Almost forgot. I am taking eight credit hours this summer at a local college, and I attend college full-time the rest of the year. This summer I have about zero free time!!!

[ZarathosNY]

Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.


dude, they weren't scared of Reagan, Reagan brokered a deal to sell them arms. Remember Iran-Contra?

[ryanbph]

MrBadExample Posted: June 29, 2004, 9:13 am Post subject:

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I'm a 37 year old, full-time graphic designer with a 401K plan that has been bleeding money the last few years. .

You must be really bad at picking your 401k plan, as the Dow is at approx the same amount now as it was in 2000...

As for the enron fiasco, this is bush fault how, last i checked, throughtout the previous 8 years, bill clinton gave them gov't money and loans, and forced 3rd world nations to give them contracts, or lose US aid. Enron pays 50% donations to republicains, and 50% to the democrats. As soon as bush took office, enron was asking for gov't aid, and bush told them no..he should be commended for not helping out a corrupt dirty business.

Economic policy, in order for it to take effect, takes 3-4 years. Bush came into a weak economy, then we were hit by 9/11, and we had several major companines go belly up due to poor management. All those factors prolonged the recovery, and none of them were bush's fault. The economy is currently roaring. I don't know why most americains don't see it, I work for my fathers small manufacturing company of gift products. This year our sales are up over 200% from last year, as people are spending money again. Every single sector of the economy is on the up, and most are at record numbers. And yes job recovery is usually the lagging indicator, but the jobs are coming back, and they will continue to do so.

I personally believe in a flat tax...4 years ago I worked for a bank, and was making over 60k a year, I left the company to help my fathers company out, as he had put me thru college. My current pay is terrible, but that is the price I pay for helping him out...My girlfriends older sister, the 2 of them combined income is under $20k a year..they both are home over 5 days a week, as the sister works 2 day overnight jobs, the husband is a full time baby sister that gets his money thru the state. They have a big screen tv, and video games, broadband connection, cell phone and a nice computer. But their 3 kids don't have any clean clothes. They got over $3k back from the gov't last year, and you are telling me that two people that don't leave the house for more then 2 days a week, should be getting a pass on taxes, and getting back more then they put in, as well as all the other benefits, like healthcare, foodstamps. I am sorry I don't see why people are bitching about the rich getting a 4% or so tax cut, when their are people out their that don't do anything, and get money from the gov't

[Tromack]

dude, they weren't scared of Reagan, Reagan brokered a deal to sell them arms. Remember Iran-Contra?

How could anybody not? It's the reason that we have gotten to play all of those kick ass Contra games. Well all of the ones for the NES, SNES, and Shattered Soldier kicked ass at least.

[The_Continental]

Well given that it is what Clinton did, and the opposite of what Bush has done. I would say it is a very democrat thing to do.

Not true, according to my paycheck anyways.


Oh, and The_Continental. Can we get married? I think I am in love with you. You are my favorite person to spar with here. I think our children would be fierce and intelligent.

I'd love to, but I'm already taken. Sorry about that.