Spider-Man 2: The Movie

[Wshakspear]

Im tired. Its 3 a.m.

To sum it up:

Holy freakin shit that was awesome!

Id elaborate more, but im about to pass out from lack of sleep.

Discuss :)

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really, it is THAT good.

[Squirms]

I've heard nothing but good things about this movie. I'm going to go see it after work today. Would have watched it at 12:00AM if any theaters were playing it around me.

[RedvsBlue]

I was lucky enough to catch a free preview showing on monday night. Easily better than the first one.

[Wshakspear]

Ok, im (half) awake now.

Doc Ock was one of the most incredible "movie monsters" i have ever seen. Thinking back to Ray Harryhausin and how far movie special effects has gone, its simply amazing. They made 4 extra appendages on a human have more charisma than most actors out there today.

You really feel sorry for Parker in this film. Like, "Poor Bastard" kind of sorry. He truely runs the gauntlet in this one, and anyone with a crappy past/present will feel for the dude.

Kirsten Dunst is now officially a hottie. DAMN.

Aunt may starts off "eh", but by the end of the film has sunk into her role.

Theres too much in that movie that will either come as a surprise to you, or will be completely new to you. One thing for the non-comic book guys...Parkers teacher Conners, the one missing an arm, is the future Lizard. With him being shown early, as well as what happens at the end...well, there's a reason why there making 6 films.

To sum it up:Wow. Holy Shit. Incredible. I want spidey powers. I want octo arms. Thank god, there's no more Macy Gray.

[Grave_Addiction]

How violent is the movie, and is the language bad at all? My daughter, who's almost 5, wants to see this movie really, really bad, but I told her I was going to go see it first to see if it's too scary for her.

I think she saw some parts of the first movie, but I thought the Green Goblin's outfit would scare her, but it didn't.

But would you think it's tame enough for a 5 year old?

[Ericnmel99]

It depends on you prospecive of violence Grave.. If she saw the first one than i guess it would be fine for her to see this one. I dont think its any more violent than the last one.


And Wshakspear- i pretty much agree with your review except in not digging Kirsten Dunst. She's allright, but she always looks weird imo. But overall a great movie. Im tossed as to which movie i liked better this one or the first one.

[Grave_Addiction]

Well, people fighting in a movie is one thing, but I don't want her to see blood and people dying and that sort of stuff.

And I don't want her to hear a bunch of cursing, but I doubt it would have a lot of bad language.

Oh yeah, Kirsten looks amazingly like Skeletor to me.

http://www.mediocreminds.com/03q3/misc/pcs/skeletor.jpg

http://www.celebsinc.com/pictures/KirstenDunst/images/KirstenDunst011.jpg

[alongx]

I have to hold off until next Monday to see this movie which, quite frankly, sucks. I can't wait, though - I thought they did an amazing job with the first.

[Ericnmel99]

Well, people fighting in a movie is one thing, but I don't want her to see blood and people dying and that sort of stuff.

And I don't want her to hear a bunch of cursing, but I doubt it would have a lot of bad language.
Oh yeah, Kirsten looks amazingly like Skeletor to me.
http://www.celebsinc.com/pictures/KirstenDunst/images/KirstenDunst011.jpg

No cursing. There is blood i think. Spiderman gets busted up and his costume is torn and a little bloody like the first movie. Lots of screaming woman in the movie. Like i said everyone has a different opinion for their children. I wont let my 7 year old see it. IMO its rated pg-13 for a reason and i dont want him seeing all that violence before he needs to. But as a parent its your call.

[Grave_Addiction]

Well, people fighting in a movie is one thing, but I don't want her to see blood and people dying and that sort of stuff.

And I don't want her to hear a bunch of cursing, but I doubt it would have a lot of bad language.
Oh yeah, Kirsten looks amazingly like Skeletor to me.
http://www.celebsinc.com/pictures/KirstenDunst/images/KirstenDunst011.jpg

No cursing. There is blood i think. Spiderman gets busted up and his costume is torn and a little bloody like the first movie. Lots of screaming woman in the movie. Like i said everyone has a different opinion for their children. I wont let my 7 year old see it. IMO its rated pg-13 for a reason and i dont want him seeing all that violence before he needs to. But as a parent its your call.

Yeah, I'm thinking she's going to have to sit this one out. Knowing her, she'd probably get pretty scared when Spidey gets his ass kicked. I dunno what it is, but that girl loves Spiderman and SpiderGirl. As a matter of fact, she was SpiderGirl for Halloween last year.

[Wshakspear]

They sey damn, hell...and thats about it for swearing.

Doc ock is interesting though. He's shown in such a nice light at first, that you actually care about him and would probably be less frightenede of him overall...Then his tentacles kill about 6 docters/nurses within about a minute. Violence wise there's nothing too graphic, but a lot of pain is implied.
When i saw this, i saw MANY 4-10 year olds watching the film, and evrey single one of them came out smiling. They might have been a bit scared of doc ock...but thats why he's the villian :)

[legion_stxds]

I got to see it last night too... got back at 3 Am as well. But it was worth it!!!

[coolsteel]

I also didn't get out until around 3, loved every second of it. The Harry/Peter moment in the party had me cracking up. I did especially like how they played up Doc Oc as a regular normal human being first with dreams, he was actually an ok guy, then he gets the arms and everything goes to hell. Speaking of which Peter had one rough week .

[Wshakspear]

i wonder if the webbing adds any flavor to the pizza? :)

[coolsteel]

Probably adds the lovely flavor of bodily fluids to it.

[Ericnmel99]

mmmm....webbing

[legion_stxds]

I am curious about somethings though... only thing is I don't want to spoil anything.

[Grave_Addiction]

I am curious about somethings though... only thing is I don't want to spoil anything.

Good, please don't put any spoilers in here. If you need to ask, make another thread and state spoilers in the topic.

[Wshakspear]

I am curious about somethings though... only thing is I don't want to spoil anything.

ask the question, and if its answerable without ruining anything, i'll answer. other wise i can do a hidden text kind of thing

[Ericnmel99]

if your wondering if spiderman dies...the answer is yes.....oops

[Gameboy415]

Eh. I saw the midnight show too, and I wasn't really looking forward to it all that much.

I'll admit, the first half maybe even 2/3 of the movie were damn good, but I just totally lost interest towards the end. I won't spoil anything but I just thought the end was a really dumb way to set up the next villain. I'm looking forward to Spiderman 3 even less than this one.

Oh, and Kirsten Dunst is a saggy-boobed monkey face. There I said it.

[Grave_Addiction]

if your wondering if spiderman dies...the answer is yes.....oops

I know that was probably a joke, but for some strange reason, if this actually happens in the movie, I will hunt you down and kill you! :D

Honestly, when someone tells me the end to a movie, I will seriously not watch it. I don't know what it is, but I honestly get so much rage from this. I know I have problems, but that is one of my pet peeves. I would rather someone kick me in the balls than tell me the end to a movie that I really want to see.

[legion_stxds]

Watch it... it's worth it... I thought that this spiderman was better than the first. There will be a third one though.

[Sartori]

They way they handled Doc Ock was a mixed bag. Everything rocked with the way he was done - but the entire thing with "the arms" was absolute garbage and ruined what they had accomplished. Hollywood has a way of screwing up the simplist of things.

Good movie overall, but a couple of little things helped hurt the experience a lot.

Also, I don't want to see Goblin yet - I want to see Venom (astronaut - foreshadow?).

[legion_stxds]

Venom by far would be my next choice in villain (simply because he is one of the best villains in the entire Marvel universe). One thing about comic book licensed movies is that they:

1) Can not condense an entire series into a two hour movie (I wish they could though).
2) They are in it for the money (they take the general idea and make it more general).
3) Us Fanboys have really high expectations.

Now I probally missed some other good points too so join in.

[Sartori]

LIGHT SPOILERS --


Well, the problem with Doc Ock is that they COMPLETELY IGNORED a perfectly legit reason for him to become the villain - and instead injected a craptacular excuse. It really brought the film down a couple notches for me - in addition, it continued a disturbing trend that began with the first film (and if Venom or Goblin are used in the next film, it will continue).

END.

[Ericnmel99]

LIGHT SPOILERS --
- in addition, it continued a disturbing trend that began with the first film (and if Venom or Goblin are used in the next film, it will continue).

END.

What disturbing trend?

[Ericnmel99]

MINOR SPOILER......





The one thing i didnt like and its been done with past hero movies (daredevil especially) is that i felt spiderman showed too many people who he really is. i didnt like when batman showed catwoman who he was, nor did i like when daredevil let half the world know who he really was either. It just take something away from the secret/hero deal for me.

[Sartori]

LIGHT SPOILERS --
- in addition, it continued a disturbing trend that began with the first film (and if Venom or Goblin are used in the next film, it will continue).

END.

What disturbing trend?

Doc Ock doesn't talk to himself. His tentacles -aren't- self aware. Him talking to them was ridiculous - and guess what? They'll be forced to use that "technique" again with Venom and Goblin, and so on and so on.

[legion_stxds]

There are numerous issues in many comics where identities are leaked either by the hero, villains, or a third party. I personally don't have a problem with identities being leaked... everyone knows the real names of the fantastic four... and where they live... crap it's the big building with the giant 4 on top. LOL

[maxflight]

Vin Diesel would be a good fit for Venom whenever they make that movie.

[tcrash247]

I saw it this morning, first showing of the day. It only cost 4 bucks to see this great movie. I was so happy with the whole thing. The only thing I didn't like was the leader for the next movie. I won't say, but I don't want him in the next movie! And they are contracted to make 3 movies with Tobey and Kirsten, not 6. And Kirsten is a total hottie. I don't care what you say, shes hot.

[tcrash247]

Vin Diesel would be a good fit for Venom whenever they make that movie.

You don't know how pissed I would be if that were true. I HATE Vin Diesel.

[Kaijufan]

Im going today. Im hoping to get to one of the showings at my local theater at either 4:00, 4:30, or 5:00.

[Sartori]

Vin Diesel would be a terrible choice for Eddie Brock.

[Grave_Addiction]

Vin Diesel would be a good fit for Venom whenever they make that movie.

Yeah, and Arnold was a good fit as Mr. Freeze.

[Ericnmel99]

I HIGHLY doubt Sam Reni would use Vin Diesel in his movie.

[LoganDX]

I've already seen it 2x. Last night and first show this morning and DAMN!! I didn't think they could top the last one but they did. Raimi is great as a director. The story was played out much better, there were more classic comic references and the acting was much more fleshed out. Might go see it again......

[Sartori]

Go get em' Tiger.

[legion_stxds]

Vin Diesel would be a terrible choice for Eddie Brock.

The kevin nash would be a good choice for venom, he played the russian in the new punisher movie and looks a bit like eddy brock!.
http://www.kevinbigsexynash.com/adimages/punish1a.jpg
I didn't know that was kevin nash... wow.

[LoganDX]

Go get em' Tiger.

I would have lost it if she said "Face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot!". I kept thinking she would but nope......

[legion_stxds]

I like how wet she gets in these movies... oh yes I do!!!

[captainfrizo]

I saw the movie and it rocks. I enjoyed the first movie a ton and had high expectations of this one, and it came through. All the hype the movie is getting is well deserved. This is truly a must see movie. I'm tempted to go back up there and see it again tonight.

The only bummer is having to wait three years or so for the next one.

[Ericnmel99]

May 4th, 2007 to be exact.

[KingDox]

Ok fuck school, I'm leaving class and going to watch this movie tonight. Can anyone comapair the movie doc ock to the comic doc ock. I read the comics around the late 90's and I like the white suit martini drinking doc ock and not the 80's green tights and goggles doc ock. I liked it how in the comic books he would just stand with his arms crosses and let his tenticles do all the work.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

On an off-topic note I'm just glad that the waiting is almost over for the next Star Wars movie. Or at least half of it. :|

But yeah, I'm gonna go see this movie saturday unfortunately I have to wait that long but I can't wait, i've heard that the plot was

((minor spoilers i suppose))

Spidey having an identity crisis and of course the new bad guy, anything else included in the story like something that actually HAPPENS? Just basic, basic parts of the plot and please no spoilers, I still want to see this and don't want it ruined, thanks.

[Sartori]

Really.. May 2007? Jesus. Why three years and not, say, two?


And Deadzone - not really.. It's the basic thing Spiderman would go through hinted at by the first film through Jameson.

[legion_stxds]

Ok shaq-fu school, I'm leaving class and going to watch this movie tonight. Can anyone comapair the movie doc ock to the comic doc ock. I read the comics around the late 90's and I like the white suit martini drinking doc ock and not the 80's green tights and goggles doc ock. I liked it how in the comic books he would just stand with his arms crosses and let his tenticles do all the work.

Go here (http://www.marvel.com/universe/index.htm)for the origins by marvel themselves (look under d for doc ock) or here (http://www.spidervillain.com/Villains/DocOct/DocOct.html)for a fans site. The movie embelished a bit... damn hollywood... hehe

[Magician]

The music seems awesome, and the preview was one of the best ever.

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

Just got back from seeing it the movie. I didn't really like it. I will review the movie tomorrow and post it.

[D4rkewolfe]

Yeah I watched it yesterday and I really enjoyed it. Me and my friends are totally rooting for Venom in the next movie

I guess this is a light spoileer coming up, though not really ****



J.J's son is introduced, so who knows, a trip in space bringing back a certain symbiote is a possibility now if you ask me.

So who was able to catch Stan Lee? or Sam Raimi's car? I forgot what his car looked like so I couldn't spot, but it was rather easy to spot Stan "The Man" Lee.

[LinkinPrime]

The movie was awesome, cant wait for the DVD.

The one thing I miss is Spidey's jokes and sarcasm when he fights the baddies as portrayed in comics and cartoons...

[Ericnmel99]

So who was able to catch Stan Lee? or Sam Raimi's car? I forgot what his car looked like so I couldn't spot, but it was rather easy to spot Stan "The Man" Lee.

Yeah it was pretty easy to spot the old man trying to push someone out of the way of falling bricks.

[Wshakspear]

The one thing I miss is Spidey's jokes and sarcasm when he fights the baddies as portrayed in comics and cartoons...

He still gets out a few, but most of the time he's getting his ass handed to him.

Sadly, i want to go se it again...for the third time...

[Tromack]

I was actually somewhat disappointed by the movie. It was good, but not "the best comic book movie ever" as I had seen it hailed. And they sure as hell better have 2 villains in the next one. I don't want to see just the one that was hinted at.

[LinkinPrime]

I think it will be The Lizard (Dr. Connors) and Green Goblin (Harry Osborne)

[Ericnmel99]

You mean Hob Goblin

[Tromack]

nope he means green goblin. harry became the second green goblin. hobgoblin was just some random guy.

[LinkinPrime]

Nope, Green Goblin. When Green Goblin died, Harry takes over as the 2nd Green Goblin.

The Hobgoblin is someone totally different. Now wheather they stay true to the comic, we'll see

http://www.cinecon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9151

[Wshakspear]

Lizard was shown in Dr. Conners form, "He who shalt be named" was hinted at at the end of the film, and rami has hinted about Venom in the next film. Heres where $$$, comics and movies merge through... With the main actors having a 3 picture deal, they will probably try and tie up a few loose ends and what not, BUT, because they are aiming for 6 pictures, there will still be storylines not finished in part 3.

All i know is SM2 was the most fun at the movies at a long time, and for me, until Sky Captain comes out at the end of the year.

[Ericnmel99]

my bad....i thought harry became hob goblin. THanks for the clear up

[LinkinPrime]

Funny thing is thats what I thought too, a friend of mine told me that the hobgoblin was someone else, I did a search online and found out I was wrong.

[Wshakspear]

Now wheather they stay true to the comic, we'll see

I dont care. i WANT Rami to take liberties. I want him to be able to get as much quality work done as he can BASED on the material, not taken directly from.

As a comic dork, i look at it like Amzing Spiderman and Ultimate Spiderman. Amazing is the normal version of spidey, the one with 50 years of continuity. Ultimate Spidey is closer to the movie in the idea of its the original story, in modern times, with new ideas thrown in. I would understand turning Peter Parker into Bob Shmelly would be bad idea, but im one of the few people who thought organic webbing was a good idea...and that shows in this installment.

EDIT=http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2.htm 38.6 Million first day. Exact #'s at 12 pacific

[oNeWiNgEdAnGeL]

I saw the movie opening night.

MINOR SPOILERS

It seems like Spider-Man 2 is the best movie of the year, right? To me, this could be one of the, if not, the most overrated film in the movie industry ever. I’m a huge Spider-Man fan, and I liked how the movie felt while I was watching it. It felt like a comic, but other then that, this was a joke.

Spider-man, aka Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire), picked off where he left off. He is again having troubles coping with his life as a superhero, his personal life with his “on and off” romance with Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst), and his college education. Things get even worse when the brilliant Dr. Otto Octavius’s (Alfred Molina) fusion experiment goes terribly wrong. He gets possessed by the four tentacle arms he attaches to himself and goes on a rampage in order to finish his experiment at any means necessary. Harry Osborne (James Franco) makes a deal to give Ock what he needs to finish the fusion device if he brings Spider-man to him alive. The plot is simple but is poorly executed on the big screen.

First and foremost, I liked the comic strip style credits from the start. It somewhat recapped what happened in Spider-Man. As the movie starts, I wasn’t too much hyped because I knew I would be disappointed considering all the praise this movie got. I knew in my heart the movie would flop, and it did.

The plot wasn’t very solid. So many plot holes, so much bad dialogue, so many problems. The whole movie could be quoted. Sam Raimi would have the camera centered on one character, and then that character would talk for a few minutes or so. No real conversations actually take place. The character interaction was very weak. Raimi didn’t forget to add the old save the gal before she gets harmed routine.

The character development was even weaker. Did Raimi think we’d ignore the part on why Dr. Otto Octavius became this mad villain? They just gave us some scientific nonsense and we just ignored it. I don’t know what Raimi was thinking when he was trying to make Doc Ock look like he had split personalities. It seemed like he had mood swings instead. He didn’t have the same villain vibe like the Green Goblin did in the previous Spider-Man. What were his motives anyway? He was a scientist that wanted to use his “gift to help mankind” and ended up wanting to control the sun for the sake that Spider-Man needed a villain? I liked the few moments where Raimi sneaked in Dr. Connors. That was a surprise.

Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst acted horribly. It sounded as if Tobey Maguire was reading off his lines off paper. I didn’t know what the hell was going on with Kirsten Dunst. I didn’t know whether she was serious, friendly, sad, happy, or what. She talked in the same tone of voice throughout the whole movie. James Franco was horrible. He was trying way too hard and on a very simple part. All throughout the whole entire movie he showed no love Peter Parker even when he was his so called “best friend.” He would also risk the half the city to kill Spider-Man, but then he gets convinced that he should let Spider-Man rescue the city he was willing to destroy to get to the position he was at only because Spider-Man was the man he despised anyways, Peter. He probably thought to himself to would get a piece of Spider-Man in Spider-Man 3.

The special effects didn’t offer much. There was just more CGI that’s done because it’s easier that way. I didn’t really notice any differences between both films when it came down to the special effects. Maybe it was sharper this time around, not that’s all. Fighting on the side of a building? Not really my cup of tea. Saving a train with a bunch of people in it at the very last second? It’s been done. Why can’t there be a limit on the amount of time CGI can be used on a film or something? I did, however, love the Evil Dead like scene in the hospital when chaos occurred between the doctors and nurses with that one doctor using a chainsaw like tool and the Bruce Campbell tombstone. Nice touch by Raimi.

Overall, not what I expected, but then again, I wasn’t expecting much. Spider-Man 2 was an average superhero movie, but nothing special. I tried to like the movie, but it’s just not possible with all these problems the movie faced.

Story: B-
Acting: D-
Visuals: C
Cinematography: C
Overall: C- (Not an average)

[Lorik]

I saw it twice on opening day if that attests to how much I liked this movie. I think the best part about it is the emphasis on Peter Parker not only as a superhero, but as a man. I'm so happy to see his ass get beaten over and over again, and him barely manage to come out on top.

The only criticism I've heard is that there isn't enough action, but I loved it. Peter Parker is only Spider-man half of the time anyways, and I like being able to see how Peter Parker deals with his problems as well.

The humor was great in the movie. There were quite a few laugh out loud scenes, and it really makes the movie appealing to all audiences. I'd definetly give Spider-man 2 an A+.

[spoo]

I just got back for watching it and it is a great superhero movie.

[Reality's Fringe]

"The character development was even weaker. Did Raimi think we’d ignore the part on why Dr. Otto Octavius became this mad villain? They just gave us some scientific nonsense and we just ignored it. I don’t know what Raimi was thinking when he was trying to make Doc Ock look like he had split personalities. It seemed like he had mood swings instead. He didn’t have the same villain vibe like the Green Goblin did in the previous Spider-Man. What were his motives anyway? He was a scientist that wanted to use his “gift to help mankind” and ended up wanting to control the sun for the sake that Spider-Man needed a villain? "

It's not that much of a leap from the comic. The explosion fucked him up. What were his motives? The guy was fucking crazy after it happened. It killed his wife, and let's not forget that the Arms themselves had some kind of Advanced AI program. Plausible. Pfft, no, but what does plausibility mean when there;s a guy swinging from building to building on a spiderweb?
"The special effects didn’t offer much. There was just more CGI that’s done because it’s easier that way. I didn’t really notice any differences between both films when it came down to the special effects. Maybe it was sharper this time around, not that’s all. Fighting on the side of a building? Not really my cup of tea. Saving a train with a bunch of people in it at the very last second? It’s been done. Why can’t there be a limit on the amount of time CGI can be used on a film or something? "

There's not too many ways the scenes in the movie could be done without the help of CGI. They -could- be done, but it'd be even more shitty. As for the whole "I've seen the train rescue" thing; I've seen many other scenes in many other movies before. That doesn't make them bad. Superheros rescue people. It's a fact of life.

"Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst acted horribly. It sounded as if Tobey Maguire was reading off his lines off paper. I didn’t know what the hell was going on with Kirsten Dunst. I didn’t know whether she was serious, friendly, sad, happy, or what. She talked in the same tone of voice throughout the whole movie. James Franco was horrible. He was trying way too hard and on a very simple part. All throughout the whole entire movie he showed no love Peter Parker even when he was his so called “best friend.” He would also risk the half the city to kill Spider-Man, but then he gets convinced that he should let Spider-Man rescue the city he was willing to destroy to get to the position he was at only because Spider-Man was the man he despised anyways, Peter. He probably thought to himself to would get a piece of Spider-Man in Spider-Man 3.


I agree with the cting statement. It was a little stiff, but I think the acting by JJJ and pretty much every other character was well done. As for why Franco let spiderman go; he had just found out it was his best friend. Quite a huge revelation. Even in the end he was fighting (With Wilhelm D-I mean, his father) about killing him based on that fact. I suppose you were supposed to infer that he was still in shock.

"...I knew I would be disappointed considering all the praise this movie got. I knew in my heart the movie would flop, and it did. .......Overall, not what I expected, but then again, I wasn’t expecting much. Spider-Man 2 was an average superhero movie, but nothing special. I tried to like the movie, but it’s just not possible with all these problems the movie faced. "

It seems you were expecting to be let down, and when you go in with that attitude, things can be much worse. Now, I'm not really doubting that you didn't enjoy the movie as much as you wanted too, but it just seems like this is one of those "Trying to find meaning that isn't there". It's a movie about a man who got bit by a radioactive spider and got super powers. It seems crazy to expect something more than that.

[Lootr2Core]

How violent is the movie, and is the language bad at all? My daughter, who's almost 5, wants to see this movie really, really bad, but I told her I was going to go see it first to see if it's too scary for her.

I think she saw some parts of the first movie, but I thought the Green Goblin's outfit would scare her, but it didn't.

But would you think it's tame enough for a 5 year old?

took my 5 year old and 7 year old, we covered their eyes during the hospital scene, but after that it was more 'comic booky type violence' The the worse part was in the middle when Peter was having all the dialogs about 'who he is' well the 5 yrs old got a little squirmy, but once it got going again they were enthralled. Just saw it tonight Wow!
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[Lootr2Core]

I saw the movie opening night.

MINOR SPOILERS



The character development was even weaker. Did Raimi think we’d ignore the part on why Dr. Otto Octavius became this mad villain? They just gave us some scientific nonsense and we just ignored it. I don’t know what Raimi was thinking when he was trying to make Doc Ock look like he had split personalities. It seemed like he had mood swings instead. He didn’t have the same villain vibe like the Green Goblin did in the previous Spider-Man. What were his motives anyway? He was a scientist that wanted to use his “gift to help mankind” and ended up wanting to control the sun for the sake that Spider-Man needed a villain? I liked the few moments where Raimi sneaked in Dr. Connors. That was a surprise.

T


Actually (and I'm don't know the 'real' story at all) but I thought the evil represented here was pretty good. Thinking only of your goals, your dreams and screw anyone/thing if they stand in the way. So to finish his plan he had to hand over spidey--didn't matter to him--he just wanted to finish his 'goal' so it might destroy the world.. eh---he can't see it. The evil of Doc Ock is the personification of one of the most common and harmful evils... selfish narcisitic tunnel vision (I'm sure there is a better term for it but hope you get what I mean)

[ShishkaRob]

Meh, it was an ok movie. There was too much crappy romance for my taste. And I thought dock ock was a pretty bad villain. Overall though the movie wasn't that bad.

[magilacudy]

Going to see it tomorrow, or is that tonight. Oh well I'm going to see it within the next 24 hours. Can't wait!

[Scrubking]

Most of the changes away from the comic where completely unnecessary - like where spidey's web comes from, so I hated the first and I won't watch the second. Not to mention toby and kirsten are a very lame Peter and Mary Jane, and yes, she does look like skeletor.

[Squirms]

I have always been a huge Spider-Man nut. I loved the first movie, and the second one is even better. Doc Ock seemed like a more plausible villian than Green Goblin. He had the best of intentions to help humanity, but was clouded by his own delusions. Green Goblin was ok, but he was a little over the top as far as crazy goes.
The action was spectacular. More hand to hand combat that was real fluid and fast paced. The subtle humor, such as Peter Parkers back mocking Toby Maguire's own. The vintage Sam Raimi scene in the hospital, ultra creepy without resorting to a ton of blood and gore. The human aspect of what being Spider-Man has done to the personal life of Peter Parker.
I plan on seeing it again, and I haven't watched a movie more than once in the theater for about ten years. All in all, it gets my thumbs up.

[Wshakspear]

Most of the changes away from the comic where completely unnecessary - like where spidey's web comes from, so I hated the first and I won't watch the second. Not to mention toby and kirsten are a very lame Peter and Mary Jane, and yes, she does look like skeletor.

The idea that Peters web is organic should not piss you off that much. The one thing it did take away was another chance to peter as a smart guy. In Spidey 2 they continue with the organic shooters, and have it so when he stresses out, he's not as able as he was. Pretty much the weight of the world on his shoulders and the fact he's hiding half his life from everyone was making him physically sick.

One point i would like to make....This isnt the comic book. This is a movie. These are real people (and cgi...i know, i know). they arnt butcheri(?). This movie has not been "Hollywoodized" it been brought into the real world.

[LinkinPrime]

I hate when people see movies and then they say "its not real enough" or "too much cgi"....

What the hell do you expect? Its a movie. Its based on a comic book, how else could they make Spider-Man swing through NY, not like its humanly possible.... ITS A MOVIE people, its there to entertain, its supposed to be over the top. If you dont like it dont watch it....dont complain....

[Tromack]

I was quite disappointed as I said earlier, and I agree with a lot of what oNeWiNgEdAnGeL said. There were scenes in the movie that not only made no sense, they actually made negative sense and took sense away from the rest of the movie. The scene where he eats cake? What the hell? The fact that he has
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no super powers when he isn't wearing his costume. I'm sorry, but he can do things and not be in his costume. If he has super agility and a spidey sense he can avoid dropping his books and getting hit by people. Hell, an average person can do that. And when the guy is getting the crap beaten out of him and he walks away. He could have easily stopped those guys. And apparently everyone keeps their dead father in their subconcsience. Who knew?



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I am nitpicking, but for a movie with so much hype and being lauded as the best comic book movie ever, I feel that it shouldn't have been so shoddy.

[Scrubking]

This movie has not been "Hollywoodized" it been brought into the real world.

If that was true they would have given spidey his real web blasters, you know the ones he made, instead of the half spider bullshit they invented.

The fact is that has been "hollywoodized" if not simply for the fact that the director injected and contorted whatever the hell he felt like it in manipulating the character and story to his vision. Not to mention all of the fancy cg and other effects that were injected to make the movie a top seller among the pg-13 crowd.

If someone makes a movie about spiderman I expect to see a movie about the already well established spiderman and not some directors crappy vision of what he should be -- same goes for all movies based on well established things.

[varsitygamer]

And apparently everyone keeps their dead father in their subconcsience. Who knew?



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I am nitpicking, but for a movie with so much hype and being lauded as the best comic book movie ever, I feel that it shouldn't have been so shoddy.

At least have the decency to pay enough attention to the movie to realize that Uncle Ben is actually Peter Parker's UNCLE. HIS NAME IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY. If you didn't realize that, you sort of lose some of your credibility right there. Also... name a better comic book movie... admitted, its a lot of opinion, but from a comic to movie translation standpoint, there has not yet been one superior. (Christopher Reeve's "Superman" 1978, being the first of it's kind, the only contender)

[Lootr2Core]

I was quite disappointed as I said earlier, and I agree with a lot of what oNeWiNgEdAnGeL said. There were scenes in the movie that not only made no sense, they actually made negative sense and took sense away from the rest of the movie. The scene where he eats cake? What the hell? The fact that he has
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no super powers when he isn't wearing his costume. I'm sorry, but he can do things and not be in his costume. If he has super agility and a spidey sense he can avoid dropping his books and getting hit by people. Hell, an average person can do that. And when the guy is getting the crap beaten out of him and he walks away. He could have easily stopped those guys. And apparently everyone keeps their dead father in their subconcsience. Who knew?



Duh he could have easily stopped those guys but were you actually watching the movie? That scene was one of MANY that highllighted his choice and desice to lead a normal NON-Spiderman life. Plus how many times in this movie and last did Peter and everyone else refer to "uncle ben" I had to run home and eat some rice after hearing that name over and over and over again. Also he did have superpowers when he wasn't in costume (see movie one) granted one thing that didn't make sense to me was the superhero choice thing, that he could supress his powers through choice, (what is weird is that his DNA was changed and it would seem to me that 'suppressing your super powers would be like suppressing your hearbeat, or hearing, or height.

[Lootr2Core]

The subtle humor, such as Peter Parkers back mocking Toby Maguire's own.

I must have missed that could you describe that a bit more?

[Ericnmel99]

The subtle humor, such as Peter Parkers back mocking Toby Maguire's own.

I must have missed that could you describe that a bit more?

When He fell and hurt his back in the movie was mocking Toby Maguires own back troubles that almost removed him from the Spiderman 2 project.