Academics predict Bush Victory

[bignick]

What a good year it will be!

Academics predict Bush Victory
Political scientists, using scientific formulae, have predicted a Bush victory in the 2004 elections, with him garnering 53-58 percent of the votes. They believe the reason for that is the current economical growth the US is witnessing.
The models used focus on economical factors and political ones. They also claim that day-to-day campaign are not as important in the long run. The models also assume that both candidates run a fairly decent campaign.
These predictions have been surprisingly accurate during past presidential campaigns. They lost credibility, however, after predicting a Gore victory in 2000.

Edit: www.shortnews.com

[Cornfedwb]

Quite honestly, many studies have Bush winning the election. He's a wartime president, he's riding a rising economy and Kerry just doesn't have much of a platform. I realize I'm a Bush supporter, but even looking at it objectively, Kerry just doesn't have a great chance.

[Ericnmel99]

NICK NICK NICK NICK NICK!!! Dont you know there is now an all official all encompasing, anything goes political thread??

http://cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21059

[PittsburghAfterDark]

You're going to see Kerry get burried in a landslide. I've been saying 42 states for months and months now. I'm probably high. However since Kerry's behind by 5 points in Pennsylvania, up to 8 points in Florida which are both huge electoral states you can pretty much write Kerry off.

It doesn't matter what the nationwide popular vote is. It doesn't matter what these nationwide polls say. What matters is polls in battleground states and Bush has leads in states with more electoral votes.

Count on it bubba.

[bignick]

NICK NICK NICK NICK NICK!!! Dont you know there is now an all official all encompasing, anything goes political thread??

http://cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21059

That thread sucks.

[Cornfedwb]

You're going to see Kerry get burried in a landslide. I've been saying 42 states for months and months now. I'm probably high. However since Kerry's behind by 5 points in Pennsylvania, up to 8 points in Florida which are both huge electoral states you can pretty much write Kerry off.

It doesn't matter what the nationwide popular vote is. It doesn't matter what these nationwide polls say. What matters is polls in battleground states and Bush has leads in states with more electoral votes.

Count on it bubba.

Yes, but Democrats usually carry California, and often New York.. you can't discount those two powerhouses.

[Ericnmel99]

Yeah after i posted that i realized why you made this......

[bignick]

You're going to see Kerry get burried in a landslide. I've been saying 42 states for months and months now. I'm probably high. However since Kerry's behind by 5 points in Pennsylvania, up to 8 points in Florida which are both huge electoral states you can pretty much write Kerry off.

It doesn't matter what the nationwide popular vote is. It doesn't matter what these nationwide polls say. What matters is polls in battleground states and Bush has leads in states with more electoral votes.

Count on it bubba.

Yes, but Democrats usually carry California, and often New York.. you can't discount those two powerhouses.

New York and Hillary. Man, I hope that bitch nevers runs for president. That is a scary thought.

[SpookyD]

Ny is getting my democratic vote so ummm.... :x But seriously just vote for who you want to and see how it goes.

[coolcato]

If Bush is reelected it would be the single most disguting thing this country ever did. Not that Kerry is a great candidate, but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly and who alienated most of our allies get re-elected? Seriously, democracy exists in order to prevent peoplle like Bush from keeping power if they somehow manage to get it. This is why party politics is detructive towards democracy. Republicans largely ignore the gross problems with this president because they naturally want their party to saty in power. I honetly know republicans who, when I confront them with some of the atrocious practices of this president, either claim they are lies, or even worse, say they don't care about that. Don't care?? Isn't it essential for citizens in a democracy to keep themselves well informed of what is going on and make intelligent decisions based on this information and NOT decisions based on what party presidents belong to? In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

[Cornfedwb]

If Bush is reelected it would be the single most disguting thing this country ever did. Not that Kerry is a great candidate, but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly and who alienated most of our allies get re-elected? Seriously, democracy exists in order to prevent peoplle like Bush from keeping power if they somehow manage to get it. This is why party politics is detructive towards democracy. Republicans largely ignore the gross problems with this president because they naturally want their party to saty in power. I honetly know republicans who, when I confront them with some of the atrocious practices of this president, either claim they are lies, or even worse, say they don't care about that. Don't care?? Isn't it essential for citizens in a democracy to keep themselves well informed of what is going on and make intelligent decisions based on this information and NOT decisions based on what party presidents belong to? In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

My god, don't turn this into the other threads. And stop being an immature ass that says they'll move to another country, I remember saying that about Dukakis.. when I was 12.

[bignick]

If Bush is reelected it would be the single most disguting thing this country ever did. Not that Kerry is a great candidate, but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly and who alienated most of our allies get re-elected? Seriously, democracy exists in order to prevent peoplle like Bush from keeping power if they somehow manage to get it. This is why party politics is detructive towards democracy. Republicans largely ignore the gross problems with this president because they naturally want their party to saty in power. I honetly know republicans who, when I confront them with some of the atrocious practices of this president, either claim they are lies, or even worse, say they don't care about that. Don't care?? Isn't it essential for citizens in a democracy to keep themselves well informed of what is going on and make intelligent decisions based on this information and NOT decisions based on what party presidents belong to? In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

Then move. You honestly think other countries have no problems? ha ha ha moron.

[Ericnmel99]

but if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

And stop being an immature ass that says they'll move to another country, I remember saying that about Dukakis.. when I was 12.

LOL my thoughts exactly.

[RedvsBlue]

but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war

It worked for Clinton. Kosovo?

In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

I really want to see you live up to this. I'm tired of hearing all these people whine and say they were going to leave if he was elected (That idiot Alec Baldwin and his bimbo wife Kim Basinger) and now if he is elected. If you can't put up with a president for 4 years then you should go to another country. While your at it you may as well pick the right one with a lifetime dictator that way you always know who is in charge.[/quote]

[The_Continental]

Really coolcato. . . You've got some serious problems. One of two things is true. You are either a nutcase or a liar. If you honestly believe that the US sucks enough for you to leave, you are crazy. If not, then you are a liar.

First be honest with yourself, then be honest with us.

If Bush is reelected it would be the single most disguting thing this country ever did. Not that Kerry is a great candidate, but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly and who alienated most of our allies get re-elected? Seriously, democracy exists in order to prevent peoplle like Bush from keeping power if they somehow manage to get it. This is why party politics is detructive towards democracy. Republicans largely ignore the gross problems with this president because they naturally want their party to saty in power. I honetly know republicans who, when I confront them with some of the atrocious practices of this president, either claim they are lies, or even worse, say they don't care about that. Don't care?? Isn't it essential for citizens in a democracy to keep themselves well informed of what is going on and make intelligent decisions based on this information and NOT decisions based on what party presidents belong to? In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

My god, don't turn this into the other threads. And stop being an immature ass that says they'll move to another country, I remember saying that about Dukakis.. when I was 12.

[KingDox]

I think bush will either win big or lose big. I don't see it being a close race. This isn't 2000, people know what bush is about and if they don't like it then they will give kerry a shot at being president.

[ryanbph]

I will pay for your airline ticket

[Indiana]

What a good year it will be!

Academics predict Bush Victory
Political scientists, using scientific formulae, have predicted a Bush victory in the 2004 elections, with him garnering 53-58 percent of the votes. They believe the reason for that is the current economical growth the US is witnessing.
The models used focus on economical factors and political ones. They also claim that day-to-day campaign are not as important in the long run. The models also assume that both candidates run a fairly decent campaign.
These predictions have been surprisingly accurate during past presidential campaigns. They lost credibility, however, after predicting a Gore victory in 2000.

Edit: www.shortnews.com

Why would they lose crediablity? Gore DID win the election. Yes Jeb did give Florida to GW... but Gore did win the majority of americans voted for Gore.

[kev]

president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly

I watch the news constantly and I don't remember this happening... I don't remember thousands of American citizens dying except on 9/11...

[Acrylic]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

[bignick]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

[Acrylic]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Just imagine how much better off the tone of political debate in this country would be if all the people that said they'd leave if "INSERT CANDIDATE HERE" was elected actually left. Last I checked Alec Baldwin had a U.S. address. Michael Moore goes around the world and tells the foreign press we're the dumbest people on the face of the Earth. Hey, say what you want but don't cry when your credibility is shot to hell, you have no commercial value/appeal and say it's all due to American's being untolerant of free speech.

You have the right to free speech. You also have accept the commercial results of that speech if it's unpopular.

[Indiana]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

Better be ready to be DRAFTED!!!! A couple more wars and we will be out of volunteers. Hell we are already calling up the retirees!

[bignick]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.
weak. I doubt the draft will ever be back.

[peteloaf]

I'm tired of hearing all these people whine and say they were going to leave if he was elected (That idiot Alec Baldwin and his bimbo wife Kim Basinger)

Actualy, that was a misquote taken way out of context about something Alec Baldwin said YEARS before Bush ran. Now, I wish Baldwin would leave the planet and spare us from his terrible acting (SNL excluded) - But the point is he never said he would leave if Bush won.

As far as the prediction that Bush will win - analysis is bs - we have a looong summer ahead of us, many things can happen. My only hope for this election is that EVERYBODY puts there money were thier mouth is and votes. If you don't like Bush, vote for someone else to make sure that the prediction is wrong. If you like Bush vote for him and make the prediction right. Either way the important thing is to vote.

BTW Fuck Bush, I want America back...

[Acrylic]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.
weak. I doubt the draft will ever be back.

Oh it will. I can feel it calling in the air tonight. Erm, I mean, I can feel it.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.
weak. I doubt the draft will ever be back.

Oh it will. I can feel it calling in the air tonight. Erm, I mean, I can feel it.

I don't really like to be part of these threads but I couldn't resist... (to my knowledge at least) they didn't get rid of the draft completely, therefore the current... president... can call on it when it's needed, so Acrylic, this may not be comforting, but I feel for you. Let's just pray this war is over before then.

[ryanbph]

I have been saying for awhile that I think that the drubbing the kerry is going to take is going to be worse then the drubbing dukakis took in 88...I live in mass...Kerry is an ahole...he is boring, that is running negative campaigns...give me substance, what are you going to do different..and how will it make america better...and he better watch his behind ...with the divorce papers being unsealed out their in il, or somewhere in the midwest for the repubicain congresmen and that hottie from boston public..if that sets a precendent kerry is a dead duck..as he is a deadbeat dad that his daughter had to take to court to help pay for college...no i have no links for this, my uncle is in charge of the camera work for a boston news station...he is an extreme liberal, but he hates kerry with a passion...and his news stations has been sitting on this story since b4 the kerry weld senate race years ago

[x0thedeadzone0x]

Erm, I heard somebody new was running for president and had just recently signed up, does anyone know who he is and how he's different from Bush/Kerry (and if he might make a good president). Just curious is all, thanks in advance. :D

[bignick]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.
weak. I doubt the draft will ever be back.

Oh it will. I can feel it calling in the air tonight. Erm, I mean, I can feel it.

I don't really like to be part of these threads but I couldn't resist... (to my knowledge at least) they didn't get rid of the draft completely, therefore the current... president... can call on it when it's needed, so Acrylic, this may not be comforting, but I feel for you. Let's just pray this war is over before then.

and I'm sure you will be at the fore front for womans rights to be eligable for the draft.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

What do you mean you dont know what you will do, you are 15. What hasd bush done that affects you or will affect you in 3 years?

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.
weak. I doubt the draft will ever be back.

Oh it will. I can feel it calling in the air tonight. Erm, I mean, I can feel it.

I don't really like to be part of these threads but I couldn't resist... (to my knowledge at least) they didn't get rid of the draft completely, therefore the current... president... can call on it when it's needed, so Acrylic, this may not be comforting, but I feel for you. Let's just pray this war is over before then.

and I'm sure you will be at the fore front for womans rights to be eligable for the draft.

Oh yeah Bignick, of course. :roll:

[cruzincontrol]

Current economical growth?!? total bullshit, not around me. I look at the unemployment claims, job statistics, and classifieds every week in this state... Maybe for those Mcdonalds' type of freaking jobs... :roll:

[Acrylic]

So i take it no one realised my intended Phil Collins pun?

[RedvsBlue]

and I'm sure you will be at the fore front for womans rights to be eligable for the draft.

Ya know that's a good point, you NEVER hear about women moving for equal rights when it comes to the Draft

[bignick]

and I'm sure you will be at the fore front for womans rights to be eligable for the draft.

Oh yeah Bignick, of course. :roll:

OK, just make sure you throw in a plug for CAG at your rallies.

[bignick]

and I'm sure you will be at the fore front for womans rights to be eligable for the draft.

Ya know that's a good point, you NEVER hear about women moving for equal rights when it comes to the Draft

They are about selective equality. If its good they want it, if its bad, they dont. I'm sick of it. Same with all the race bullshit.

[x0thedeadzone0x]

So i take it no one realised my intended Phil Collins pun?
Sounded familiar but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Thanks for reminding me it's Phil Collins. 8)

But hey, can anyone tell me about the new 'presidential candidate'?

[ryanbph]

oh Lord I've been waiting for
this moment all my life

[Acrylic]

oh Lord I've been waiting for
this moment all my life

Word 8)

[ryanbph]

I haven't seen/heard anything about a new presidential canidate...the only thing remotley like that is that howard dean is going to debate ralph nader on 7/9 on npr, on why nader should back out of election and support kerry

[bignick]

Bump, cause Zforce is on now. :)

[Nirvanaguy777]

i dont think its going too be such a landslide as some of you may think

[bignick]

i dont think its going too be such a landslide as some of you may think

%53 of the vote isnt a landslide.

[Bann]

No matter who wins this years election we all lose. Bush and Kerry are both crappy candidates. The two party system is ruining America. Sure, you can vote for whoever you want, as long as it's one of two guys. But what do I know, I'm only 16 so my opinion doesn't matter for two more years. :|

[alongx]

No matter who wins this years election we all lose. Bush and Kerry are both crappy candidates. The two party system is ruining America. Sure, you can vote for whoever you want, as long as it's one of two guys. But what do I know, I'm only 16 so my opinion doesn't matter for two more years. :|

This election will be tough to call because we have two potentially bad candidates. Last election gave two horrible candidates, too - I still would have liked to have seen Senator McCain get the Republican nomination back then.

[fireball343]

If Bush is re-elected, then, I seriously dont know what Im going to do. I know Im 15, and I shouldnt care much, but he'll be president when I turn an adult legally, and that thought scares me. :?

you know what scares me, uneducated losers who don't know shit about politics having as much a right to vote as those who do spend time to study about poltics and learn who stands for what.

Bann, i'm pretty sure Nader is still running on the independent ticket, not green, he hopes to get more votes by being open, not limited to the green party.

semi-off topic, Hussien is on trial and being an arrogant jack@ss.

[Firebrand]

Credentials are of little concern to the anti-intellectual American voters. “He seems like a nice guy” or “he’s a republican” is enough to garner a vote in this country. Look at the repertoires of the candidates. Do not judge a book by its cover. Above all, vote and vote wisely.

[xzafixz]

Now, while i don't really support Michael Moore and what he did with Farenheit 9/11, i think that he may have really screwed Bush. I think a LOT of people were borderline and that movie pushed them over the edge. I know at least 30-40 people just here where i live that have switched parties over this movie, and unlike most, they are actually going to vote. If such a resounding effect was felt here, i think the same will happen all over the country and i feel Bush will lose because of it.

[defender]

No matter who wins this years election we all lose. Bush and Kerry are both crappy candidates. The two party system is ruining America. Sure, you can vote for whoever you want, as long as it's one of two guys. But what do I know, I'm only 16 so my opinion doesn't matter for two more years. :|

Just to straighten you out on something.

Imagine that we had 5 candidates to really choose from. Ok so now how does America vote? People were already pissed that Bush didnt win the popular vote and that more people voted for Kerry.

Imagine an election where the president won with only 25% of the vote for them. That's 75% of voters who dont want the current president!!! How is that gonna work? I am all for the breakdown of the 2 party system..it sounds great...more could get done. But be realistic about it...

The grass only LOOKS greener on the other side...it's really just the same grass.

[ZForce915]

Bump, cause Zforce is on now. :)

I'm flattered. I didn't know anyone cared... :D

I'm sticking with my vote that Kerry will win in a landslide. But I think someone else pointed it out before, it's not likely to be a close race...either Kerry or Bush will probably win convincingly.

I know it's a mild post but it can be hard to Bush Bash 24/7.

[friedram]

I'm voting for anyone except Bush- I wish McCain had gotten the ticket 4 years ago.

Bush decided to go to war even before he thought he had the people's concent. I work for a company who bid on contracts in Iraq prior to the publics remote knowledge that we might even slightly have a chance of doing something in Iraq. Go figure. Bush wanted to whack Saddam because Saddam tried to kill his Daddy- pure and simple. Hell, Bush is only human- get the top post in America, and do what you want- can't blame him for being a corrupt puppet- its a lot of power for such a small man.

[bignick]

Bump, cause Zforce is on now. :)

I'm flattered. I didn't know anyone cared... :D

I'm sticking with my vote that Kerry will win in a landslide. But I think someone else pointed it out before, it's not likely to be a close race...either Kerry or Bush will probably win convincingly.

I know it's a mild post but it can be hard to Bush Bash 24/7.

I kept hitting F5 to read this!!!!!!!

[Bann]

No matter who wins this years election we all lose. Bush and Kerry are both crappy candidates. The two party system is ruining America. Sure, you can vote for whoever you want, as long as it's one of two guys. But what do I know, I'm only 16 so my opinion doesn't matter for two more years. :|

Just to straighten you out on something.

Imagine that we had 5 candidates to really choose from. Ok so now how does America vote? People were already pissed that Bush didnt win the popular vote and that more people voted for Kerry.

Imagine an election where the president won with only 25% of the vote for them. That's 75% of voters who dont want the current president!!! How is that gonna work? I am all for the breakdown of the 2 party system..it sounds great...more could get done. But be realistic about it...

The grass only LOOKS greener on the other side...it's really just the same grass.
Yeah, I know that. Are 25% of people going to be fully satisfied with whoever wins this election? Maybe. As far as I'm concerned the only reason anyone would want to vote for Bush or Kerry is because they are either hardcore democrat or republican so they'd vote for whoever their party threw out there.

If Bush wins with 53% of the vote that's nothing to brag about either. Chances are not all of the people voted for him because they liked him, they voted for him becasue he was their best choice out of two crappy choices.

Most of the time the two party system works because you see at least one strong candidate from either party. But it's elections like this where I think it falls short of providing us with a good candidate. You shouldn't vote for who you want to be the leader of your country just because "he's better than the other guy".

[Sheik Rattle Enroll]

I agree, when Bush or Kerry wins, it'll probobly be the result of apathy by people on the other side. A lot of lifelong republicans I know are disgusted with Bush because he seems to have no concept of foreign or domestic policy, and most democrats I know will only vote for Kerry because he's not Bush. Good times. Now McCain vs. Clark would've been interesting.

[Cornfedwb]

Now, while i don't really support Michael Moore and what he did with Farenheit 9/11, i think that he may have really screwed Bush. I think a LOT of people were borderline and that movie pushed them over the edge. I know at least 30-40 people just here where i live that have switched parties over this movie, and unlike most, they are actually going to vote. If such a resounding effect was felt here, i think the same will happen all over the country and i feel Bush will lose because of it.

There's something you're missing with that idea... the sort of people you're around (and the sort of people affected by that craptastic piece of trash(and yes I saw it), they're typically going to be the younger, less professional crowd. Kerry already has most of those votes. What people aren't realizing is all the money, all the professionals, all the corporations are in Bush's camp.

Carry that a step further.. where do you think your larger voter turnout percentage is? I honestly think Bush will carry the election hands down.


Of course I also think they're holding onto Osama secretly until they 'suddenly find him in a hole' a month or two before the election...

[bignick]

Of course I also think they're holding onto Osama secretly until they 'suddenly find him in a hole' a month or two before the election...

That wouldnt surprise me, all the dems are like where is osama, and that would be the bombshell to drop!

[Cornfedwb]

Of course I also think they're holding onto Osama secretly until they 'suddenly find him in a hole' a month or two before the election...

That wouldnt surprise me, all the dems are like where is osama, and that would be the bombshell to drop!

If that happened (and there was no proof they had been holding him all along).. it could create the biggest landslide victory in US history. It would bring back all the post-911 feelings of patriotism and ending terrorism, no matter what the cost. Bush would be a sure win.

[bignick]

Of course I also think they're holding onto Osama secretly until they 'suddenly find him in a hole' a month or two before the election...

That wouldnt surprise me, all the dems are like where is osama, and that would be the bombshell to drop!

If that happened (and there was no proof they had been holding him all along).. it could create the biggest landslide victory in US history. It would bring back all the post-911 feelings of patriotism and ending terrorism, no matter what the cost. Bush would be a sure win.

That would be so awesome. I would personally love to see his and saddam's execution on pay per view.

[CaseyRyback]

He waited 4 years to go after Ken Kay and make it an election issue so anything is possible

[Quackzilla]

Then move. You honestly think other countries have no problems? ha ha ha moron.

Well, for one they don't have an oil whore money slut like Dick Cheny as president.

[epobirs]

Then move. You honestly think other countries have no problems? ha ha ha moron.

Well, for one they don't have an oil whore money slut like Dick Cheny as president.

As opposed to the French leaders and assorted UN functionaries who violated the sanction to get oil from Saddam and fund his ongoing palace construction?

So you prefer the waffling serial heiress humper and ambulance chaser team? Sad.

[legion_stxds]

You're going to see Kerry get burried in a landslide. I've been saying 42 states for months and months now. I'm probably high. However since Kerry's behind by 5 points in Pennsylvania, up to 8 points in Florida which are both huge electoral states you can pretty much write Kerry off.

It doesn't matter what the nationwide popular vote is. It doesn't matter what these nationwide polls say. What matters is polls in battleground states and Bush has leads in states with more electoral votes.

Count on it bubba.

Yes, but Democrats usually carry California, and often New York.. you can't discount those two powerhouses.


New York and Hillary. Man, I hope that bitch nevers runs for president. That is a scary thought.

Amen!

[ZForce915]

Of course I also think they're holding onto Osama secretly until they 'suddenly find him in a hole' a month or two before the election...

That wouldnt surprise me, all the dems are like where is osama, and that would be the bombshell to drop!

If that happened (and there was no proof they had been holding him all along).. it could create the biggest landslide victory in US history. It would bring back all the post-911 feelings of patriotism and ending terrorism, no matter what the cost. Bush would be a sure win.

If any voter falls for this I think I might cry. Bin Laden is being protected in Saudi Arabia. If he is "caught" before the election it would be "staged" and then I think Bush should be "lynched".

[epobirs]

Unlikely. Bin Laden in all probablility is a thin layer of organic paste beneath several tons of stone in a cllopsed cave in Afghanistan. There has not been proof offer of his continued existence for a very long time. All he'd have to do is appear in a video with some recent newspapers.

It isn't as though his ilk are unfamiliar with the idea. They do it as a matter of course when they take hostages.

[legion_stxds]

Well, lets say the Iraq war lasts more than 3 years, that could mean the draft, and if so, I could get drafted.

It is no longer a war... no we are just occupying the country. LOL :lol:

[Medium_Pimpin]

Whee! Looks like 8 more years for bush.

[Medium_Pimpin]

but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war

It worked for Clinton. Kosovo?

[/quote]

Wow. Milosevic Killed Millions, saddam killed what? 100's of saudi's?

[abrannan]

Quick hit thoughts here. Speaking as a far-left liberal.

1. To whoever said the Iraq war cost thousands of US citizen's lives. Have you looked at the casualty statistics? There's less than 1000 dead since the start of the war. I'm not saying it won't hit over 1000 by the time the war is over, but crying over over thousands of US dead is both melodramatic and inaccurate. Do me a favor and look up Drunk driving, rape, or cancer death statistics in the US for the same time period. Or look up Iraqi civilian casualty numbers for the war. <1000 US dead compared to ~10,000 non-combatant Iraqi deaths.

2. Let's not forget other presidents who won with less than 50% of the total vote. Clinton '92 anyone?

3. Pimpin *8* more years of Bush? Failed Civics in high school, didn't you?

[Sheik Rattle Enroll]

Clinton won the popular vote though. It's just a lot of people voted for Perot.

[Medium_Pimpin]

3. Pimpin *8* more years of Bush? Failed Civics in high school, didn't you?


Wartime presidents can serve a 3rd term.

The only civics i knew back then were the back of my asian friends pimped out Honda Civics.

[bignick]

I couldnt find anything on being able to run for a thrid term even in war time.....

[asaraa]

If Bush is reelected it would be the single most disguting thing this country ever did.

yeah, I guess those japanese internment camps weren't so bad after all.



In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

More games for us!

[Medium_Pimpin]

Really? I googled and got hits refering to clinton running a 3rd term election based on wartime neccessity. I will look for a better link tho after i get outta shower.

[Lootr2Core]

3. Pimpin *8* more years of Bush? Failed Civics in high school, didn't you?


Wartime presidents can serve a 3rd term.

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JHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA, dang thanks for my morning laugh, ah gonna be a great day today cause I KNOW I won't hear anything more stupid than that today.


Ex-cellent.

[PsyClerk]

Amendment XXII:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.


Your US Constitution says it all. The second section only discusses the ratification of the ammendment.

[Lootr2Core]

Really? I googled and got hits refering to clinton running a 3rd term election based on wartime neccessity. I will look for a better link tho after i get outta shower.


There was some debate this year as to whether a past president (such a Clinton who had 2 terms) could be Vice President---topic kindof died off though the debate was whether one could be elected Vice President and still become President if the ELected president died.



There was also some discussion about repealling the amendment that limits term limits for presidents. Which I think is a good idea, if you have a great president why force he or she out? 12 years of Reagan? 12 years of Clinton? wouldn't that be better than having the 1 termers like Bush, (next Bush :) ) Carter, Ford,

[coffman]

You're going to see Kerry get burried in a landslide. I've been saying 42 states for months and months now. I'm probably high. However since Kerry's behind by 5 points in Pennsylvania, up to 8 points in Florida which are both huge electoral states you can pretty much write Kerry off.

It doesn't matter what the nationwide popular vote is. It doesn't matter what these nationwide polls say. What matters is polls in battleground states and Bush has leads in states with more electoral votes.

Count on it bubba.

While I don't trust polls, the last several in Pennsylvania have shown Kerry leading by several percentage points. I had heard that Florida was a draw at this point.

[coffman]

You're going to see Kerry get burried in a landslide. I've been saying 42 states for months and months now. I'm probably high. However since Kerry's behind by 5 points in Pennsylvania, up to 8 points in Florida which are both huge electoral states you can pretty much write Kerry off.

It doesn't matter what the nationwide popular vote is. It doesn't matter what these nationwide polls say. What matters is polls in battleground states and Bush has leads in states with more electoral votes.

Count on it bubba.

Yes, but Democrats usually carry California, and often New York.. you can't discount those two powerhouses.

New York and Hillary. Man, I hope that bitch nevers runs for president. That is a scary thought.

My prediction:
The first woman president will be either Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Dole. Personally, I'd rather see Hillary be president.

[oneirotekt]

If that happened (and there was no proof they had been holding him all along).. it could create the biggest landslide victory in US history. It would bring back all the post-911 feelings of patriotism and ending terrorism, no matter what the cost.

YES, BECAUSE KILLING BIN LADEN WILL END TERRORISM. FOREVER.

[PsyClerk]

Buy It Now Laden?

[carlagyrl]

I'm not even voting this year. After what happend in the last election it kinda turned me off to politics.

[Lil Stinky]

If Bush is reelected it would be the single most disguting thing this country ever did. Not that Kerry is a great candidate, but how on earth could such a corrupt, decadent president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly and who alienated most of our allies get re-elected? Seriously, democracy exists in order to prevent peoplle like Bush from keeping power if they somehow manage to get it. This is why party politics is detructive towards democracy. Republicans largely ignore the gross problems with this president because they naturally want their party to saty in power. I honetly know republicans who, when I confront them with some of the atrocious practices of this president, either claim they are lies, or even worse, say they don't care about that. Don't care?? Isn't it essential for citizens in a democracy to keep themselves well informed of what is going on and make intelligent decisions based on this information and NOT decisions based on what party presidents belong to?
In all seriousness, if Bush wins this election I'm going to move to a different country and apply for citizenship there (I have the means to and no family to consider) because I will be embarrassed and disgusted to be considered a citizen of a country that feels it can ignore gross scandals and practices.

Then move. You honestly think other countries have no problems? ha ha ha moron.

Settle down Big Nick. Hes only pointing out the obvious that conservatives want to cover up. This country has gone downhill since Bush took office.
1.Terror is up.
2.Job have been lost and replaced with worse jobs.
3.Health care is going through the roof with Bush paying no attention because he is busy with Iraq.
4.Bush is blurring the line with seperation of church and state. I realize that some fools actually think this is a good thing.
5.The person responsible for killing almost 3000 Americans in one day is still running free because Bush is busy with Iraq.
6.Almost another 1000 Americans have lost their life in Iraq because of poor planning and the Bush administrations rush to war.
7.Bush policy on stem cell research show the strangle hold the religous right has on this administration. The two people leading the charge to overturn Bush policy is Nancy Reagan and Senator Orin Hatch. Both republicans.
8.Bush policy on border control is to turn a blind eye.
9.Tax cuts when the country is in the middle of a costly war on terror. Tax cuts are great but not when they cause record deficits which Greenspan has warned about on several occasions during the last several months.
10. The formation of the Homeland Security Agency which is a total mess. Anybody been in an airport lately? The security is still a joke.
11. The list goes on and on and on.

[Lil Stinky]

president who reigned over an unnessecary war killing thousands of American citizens needlessly

I watch the news constantly and I don't remember this happening... I don't remember thousands of American citizens dying except on 9/11...

We are approaching 1000 dead in Iraq.

[Lil Stinky]

I will pay for your airline ticket

I will pay for your neon sign..........."I'm with stupid"

[Medium_Pimpin]

In 1940, Franklin Roosevelt fought for a third term while a second World War was in bitter contention abroad. The campaign pitted advocates of neutrality against those favoring support of the Allies. Again, an American president appeared to pledge U.S. noninvolvement with a promise: “I have said this before but I shall say it again and again and again: your sons are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.” Republican hopes were dimmed by the fact that FDR’s opponent, Wendell Willkie, was nearer to the internationalist position of the president than to the views of many of his isolationist fellow Republicans. Increasingly as the campaign progressed, Roosevelt centered on national defense. Despite other matters—(the Third Term question was a hot button)—the campaign was increasingly war-driven and the outcome significant: 449 Democratic electoral votes versus 82 Republican

Source:
http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/news/spring2004/rostow.html

Wouldnt you say this president has too much power, considering the republicans control all three branches of govt?

[PsyClerk]

In 1940, Franklin Roosevelt fought for a third term while a second World War was in bitter contention abroad. The campaign pitted advocates of neutrality against those favoring support of the Allies. Again, an American president appeared to pledge U.S. noninvolvement with a promise: “I have said this before but I shall say it again and again and again: your sons are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.” Republican hopes were dimmed by the fact that FDR’s opponent, Wendell Willkie, was nearer to the internationalist position of the president than to the views of many of his isolationist fellow Republicans. Increasingly as the campaign progressed, Roosevelt centered on national defense. Despite other matters—(the Third Term question was a hot button)—the campaign was increasingly war-driven and the outcome significant: 449 Democratic electoral votes versus 82 Republican

What point are you trying to illustrate with this? I see a Democratic president breaking a (very stupid) campaign promise. I see a foolish Republican party stance. I don't see how this relates to the topic.

Wouldnt you say this president has too much power, considering the republicans control all three branches of govt?

They don't have so much power that they can't be overridden. When they have a super-majority, THEN we'll worry.

And saying they control the Supreme Court is a bit of a stretch. (already see the flames)

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Hey brainiac. When Roosevelt ran for a third term there was no Constitutional ammendment that said he couldn't run for a third term. The historical tradition was that Washington stepped down after 2 terms not wanting to become a de facto American king. Every President after him kept that tradition alive until Roosevelt. It wasn't until after his death that the idea to ratify the Constitution was brought up because it didn't nreed to be. In 1951 the XXII'nd Ammendment was ratified limiting the terms a person could serve to no more than 10 years. Read the details in the constitution itself. I already did most of your homework for you.

This "wartime" President statement is a fabrication of someone's imagination. Last but not least no one may serve as Vice President that is not legally able to hold the title of President. Therefore politicians like Bill Clinton and Arnold Swarzenegger may never serve as VP.

[epobirs]

I'm not even voting this year. After what happend in the last election it kinda turned me off to politics.

Yeah, that'll show 'em.

[bignick]

This "wartime" President statement is a fabrication of someone's imagination. Last but not least no one may serve as Vice President that is not legally able to hold the title of President. Therefore politicians like Bill Clinton and Arnold Swarzenegger may never serve as VP.

I read up on this too. One thing though, I read on a couple of different sites, that the way the constitution is worded, it could be possible for a former 2 term president to be a VP. Not trying to flame, just my 2 cents.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Nick, while it may be "possible" it's just not going to happen. Let's say the VP was a former President that served 8 years. He theorhetically would be able to serve out 2 years of someone's term. Then he/she would HAVE to step down due to the XXII'nd ammendment. At that point you have a political crisis for the party in question and a Constitutional crisis for the nation.

I don't think one party would ever make such a decision to put an 8 year President on a ticket as VP due to the possible consequences that would happen should the President die. While their theorhetically could be legal ambiguity due to the "two years of another term" statement and 10 year total no one is EVER going to test this with a political ticket. The fallout if they lose a Constitutional challenge after the death of a stiiting President and the forced removal of a 2 year President would be generational.

It's too much of an ugly set of "what ifs" for anyone to test.

[bignick]

Nick, while it may be "possible" it's just not going to happen. Let's say the VP was a former President that served 8 years. He theorhetically would be able to serve out 2 years of someone's term. Then he/she would HAVE to step down due to the XXII'nd ammendment. At that point you have a political crisis for the party in question and a Constitutional crisis for the nation.

I don't think one party would ever make such a decision to put an 8 year President on a ticket as VP due to the possible consequences that would happen should the President die. While their theorhetically could be legal ambiguity due to the "two years of another term" statement and 10 year total no one is EVER going to test this with a political ticket. The fallout if they lose a Constitutional challenge after the death of a stiiting President and the forced removal of a 2 year President would be generational.

It's too much of an ugly set of "what ifs" for anyone to test.


I agree. but it COULD happen. JK

[Southberm]

No matter how much i love reading or discussing about politics, PittsburghAfterDark ur posts arent reccomended for people with ADD

[PittsburghAfterDark]

That's the nicest compliment I could be given Southberm. I don't write replies to be simple, just to inform people.

[MrBrando]

here's a question for those who are voting for Kerry, would you still vote for him if Bush wasn't running? Like if McCain or someone else was running as a republican? I know I shouldn't be asking hypotheticals but it's just something I've been wondering.

[Southberm]

And informative it was. just took me an hour from looking at one sentence, staring at my dog, reading another sentence, watching a bird outside my window, almost finishing it, then totally forgetting what i was doing...........but oddly enough i can still read 500 page books bashing Bush.

[Southberm]

here's a question for those who are voting for Kerry, would you still vote for him if Bush wasn't running? Like if McCain or someone else was running as a republican? I know I shouldn't be asking hypotheticals but it's just something I've been wondering.\
Well i would vote for a democrat usually, but If i like the guy I'd vote for a republican. I just REALLY dislike bush's actions. I recommend the book "Bush on the Couch", its about Bush's psycilogical make-up and how babyish and simple he really is

[Medium_Pimpin]

Kerry is not my first choice, but Bush has got to go. I would vote nader if he stood a better chance than kerry, but that aint gonna happen.

[Southberm]

if ur still undecided or arent voting but dislike bush, i highly suggest vote for kerry and not nader b/c more votes for kerry=not less votes for bush, just bigger chance for Kerry

[bignick]

if ur still undecided or arent voting but dislike bush, i highly suggest vote for kerry and not nader b/c more votes for kerry=not less votes for bush, just bigger chance for Kerry

Thats a great attitude. :roll:

[Southberm]

the zoloft is working well

[Quackzilla]

here's a question for those who are voting for Kerry, would you still vote for him if Bush wasn't running? Like if McCain or someone else was running as a republican? I know I shouldn't be asking hypotheticals but it's just something I've been wondering.

Funny you should ask that.

Three months ago I would have voted for McCain, but now I see him for the spineless bastard that he is.

In 2000 republican primaries George W. Bush hosted the dirtiest campaign you cold ever imagine against McCain. Now McCain is doing Bush ads. What the fuck? The guy raped you in the last election and you are supporting him!?

And Kerry is against war (unless absolutely neccessary).

My vote is for Kerry all the way now.