Who do you think the villain in Spiderman 3 will be(possible spoilers)

[Ikohn4ever]

I was talkin with my friends after the movie, and we were talkin about possible bad guys for the next one. We came up with the likely choice of green goblin/hob goblin or the best choice of Venom.

[EddieBelfour]

green goblin. but remember, doctor conners was up in this one as pete's teacher. we all know what that means.... :!:

[Ericnmel99]

I think they set it up pretty easily as to who its gunna be. BUt they did introduce 2 new characters that will eventually become the lizard and possible venom. they will probably wait until SM4 for that.

[chickenhawk]

I'm going with Mysterio. No real basis for that opinion though. Venom would be a nice choice, but do you think Venom will even be the main bad guy in a movie? He always seemed more like a supporting bad guy to me (although when I was a kid he was my favorite bad guy!).

[Ikohn4ever]

I know they are signed or at least in agreement about a 3rd one. I doubt it will go much further than 3, maybe 4 tops

[WildWop]

I don't think they'll be able to string along the Harry->Spiderman animosity angle for another movie. They've set up the pins [Green Goblin 2], now they'll probably knock them down.

I'd like to see a quick cameo to start off the next movie, with Spiderman beating up on a lesser villain from the comics, like Shocker or Scorpion. Perhaps Sandman.

Venom for the fourth. Has to be in one of these. It's a requirement. I'd love to see Venom and Carnage in the same movie.

[Tromack]

It'll be Green Goblin and Lizardman. They set up the Green Goblin, but people wouldn't stand for that. I sure wouldn't. We've already seen spiderman vs. the Green Goblin. And they wouldn't do Venom. If they really are planning on doing five movies, they wouldn't want to blow there load too soon and use Venom.
All I know is that spiderman has some crappy villains. What the hell was Stan Lee thinking.
"Hmm....the spider's natural enemy is the...octopus. But I can't call him octopusman, so how about Mr. Octopus. No, I need something with a bit more weight to it. How about Dr. Octopus. Yeah, that's it."

[Wshakspear]

The actors are signed on for 3, the series so far is going to be 6 movies.

I actually think it will be a lizard/green goblin combo, while setting up more baddies for future installments.

[scdoanintendo]

Hopefully venom, but then if that happens they'll probably have to fit the entire maximum carnage series in one movie.

[EddieBelfour]

i'd like to see two villians and even another super hero in this one. dont forget, when john jameson went to the moon he contracted a virus, giving him the curse of the werewolf. another thing you may have missed, was the short red head( noy my girl mj) is betty brant, jamesons secretary, one of peters first love interests and they gave each other the eyes in one scene.

but back to the first sentence: another superhero would be dope i.e cap am, or even spider girl... but there are alot of villian possibilities and i hope that the same cast and crew will do the next one, if its any indication, they will just continue to get better and better.

[Ericnmel99]

Im hoping that they are going to setup venum at the end of spiderman 3 like they did with Green Goblin2 at the end of this movie.

[Tromack]

Sorry to hijack this, but what do you think is going to happen in the next two Xmen movies? Obviously they set up the Phoenix.

[Ericnmel99]

Phoenix was the setup for the third xmen movie, but ive heard rumors that they might branch off different characters into their own movies for xmen. sort of like electra and .......(Ugh) catwoman.

[abrannan]

GG2/Hobgoblin (whichever way they take Harry, my guess is GG2) and Lizard in a more minor role. They may introduce the symbiote in Spider-Man 3, setting the stage for Venom in Spider-Man 4. If Kirsten Dunst doesn't want to do another movie (and she's said that she only wants to do three), then they can move her off and open up the romantic interest to Gwen Stacy for #4.

EddieBalfour, you're a little off in your summary. John Jameson didn't contract a virus, it was a monnstone that made him Man-Wolf. And I thought Betty Brant had black hair in the movie, not red, though I could be wrong on that.

[EddieBelfour]

you're right- she did have black hair, but it was short and red in the books. and we are both semi right, the moonstone gave him the virus- later cured by spidey and DR CONNERS!!! (heh) so he did have a virus, given to him by the moonstone. half point each.

[Renzokuken]

I thought she had black hair too.I would like to see Venom or GG2/Hobgoblin in the next movie.

[WildWop]

Phoenix was the setup for the third xmen movie, but ive heard rumors that they might branch off different characters into their own movies for xmen. sort of like electra and .......(Ugh) catwoman.

They may do Sentinels instead of Phoenix in the next one. A Mr. Sinister movie would work too.

[Ikohn4ever]

If a new female character, I'd prefer Felicia Harding/Black cat. She would spice it up a lot.

[Tromack]

Phoenix was the setup for the third xmen movie, but ive heard rumors that they might branch off different characters into their own movies for xmen. sort of like electra and .......(Ugh) catwoman.

They may do Sentinels instead of Phoenix in the next one. A Mr. Sinister movie would work too.

I'm thinking they do sentinels, sentinels go attack Magneto and his forces, Magneto reprograms sentinels to attack humans, X-men fight rogue sentinels, they get their asses kicked, phoenix saves the day. And then 4 does the dark phoenix.

[xion]

Spydey 2 is tha bomb !! I didn't like the 1st one but this one is wayyy better.

Venom woulb be cool.

[epobirs]

i'd like to see two villians and even another super hero in this one. dont forget, when john jameson went to the moon he contracted a virus, giving him the curse of the werewolf. another thing you may have missed, was the short red head( noy my girl mj) is betty brant, jamesons secretary, one of peters first love interests and they gave each other the eyes in one scene.

but back to the first sentence: another superhero would be dope i.e cap am, or even spider girl... but there are alot of villian possibilities and i hope that the same cast and crew will do the next one, if its any indication, they will just continue to get better and better.

It wasn't a virus. How would you catch a virus on the moon?

Jameson found a strange gemstone and smuggled it out of NASA. After wearing it as a necklace for a while he became the Man-Wolf (TM) at the next full moon. He also found the moon gem was attached to his throat and couldn't be removed. That didn't stop Spider-man from using some web to snag the gem and tear it off along with a bit of skin.

At some later point the moon gem and Jameson became paired up again, largely thanks to strong response demanding the Man-Wolf character be spun off into his own series. Monster heroes were a big thing for MArvel in the mid-late 70's. The reason for the Man-Wolf name was because Marvel also had a more traditional lycanthrope in the Werewolf by Night series. (This was pretty good for a long time but devolved to the point were he tried to become a superhero and had a team-up with Iron Man, possibly the most unsuitable character to match up with a werewolf.)

Man-wolf was a lot like the Hulk for a long time. Wandering fugitive who occasionally goes on a rampage. Eventually he got back in NASA's good graces and just for shits and giggles they shipped him up to a space station while somehow avoiding the full glare of the moon. This didn't work out very well and looked like we were going to see the effects of hard vacuum on lycanthropes when he got pulled inside by some aliens from another dimension who'd just taken over the space station. They'd come looking for something and thing thing turned out to be the moon gem attached to Jameson's throat. Apparently it was the icon of their god and their sole hope of fighting off the evil guy who'd taken over their world. In the process of trying to manage the Man-Wolf they ended up on the moon and passed through the portal that led to their world. (At some point in the alien's distant past somebody decided the moon would be a good hiding place for the gem and promptly forgot about it.)

Jameson immediately became able to think like a human again and speak telepathicly, which is handy since he's still the Man-Wolf and couldn't really talk with doggy jaws. now that he's more conversational he is informed that they're counting on him to use the gem to wield some godlike power. Jameson is at a loss as how to do this since there isn't a manual included with the gem and you couldn't download it in PDF back then. They set off for the bad guy's fortress, though, and lose a member of the party, a token Red Sonja clone, en route largely to make Jameson appreciate that this is for real. Upon reaching the fortres they're promptly taken prisoner and various abuses of the Saddam hussein Greatest Hits variety ensue, such as amputating the hands of the party's wizard.

Things are looking pretty grim because it's the moment of truth but the only Wolf God powers Jameson has demonstrated is an inclination to greet strangers by sniffing their butts and an intense desire for Kibbles n' Bits. Then things get even worse. It seems the bad guy, Arisen Tyrk, has been moonlighting on Earth under the name Harrison Turk. (He was either a college professor or some kind pop psychology guru, I forget which.) Apparently he's known about Jameson's custody of the Wolf god's gem and has been plotting for the day he could confront Jameson by kidnapping his fiance and bringing her to his world.

This blackmail scheme does the trick for Jameson and he promptly goes ballistic on a godlike scale, literally blowing the roof off the joint. After Tyrk is apparently dispatched (to turn up later in 'The Defenders' in a much lengthier storyline than the entire Man-Wolf series) Jameson manages to send his fiance back to Earth and then transport himself without the Wolf God's gem. Free at last. Although not happy since the last time I saw him he was apparently in a psychiatric lock-down ward but I haven't followed comics as closely in the last decade.

Anyways, it wasn't a virus.

[EddieBelfour]

thanks for the book - how much do you want to bet that he got a virus in the series and tried to capture spidey? lets bet all your games. i was wrong, but he did get hte virus in space, and have you been to the mooon? then how woudl you know if you could get a virus or not? probably because the government todl you.

[iloveqtchickz]

I think they won't pull venom out until they get a new set of cast, the lizard/GG2 will be most likely as those two seem to be the foreshadow. Venom would seem too hard to put in the movies, if u were then u would had to do all CG since venom goes crazy and does weird crap to himself, so no one would really be able to play him like Spider-man. IMO

[epobirs]

You may think you want to see Venom but if you think about what is required to make a movie that works for the mainstream audience and thus justifies its mammoth budget, you don't want Venom.

The problem with Venom is the massive backstory. Not just the whole Secret Wars ugliness but also the large amount of interation with other Marvel series well before the symbiote comes anywhere near Eddie Brock. If you recall how it was handled in the Fox animated series it was pretty unsatisfying because they had to rush the plot development. It would be even worse in a movie unless they go the route of shooting two or more movie back to back with a tight release schedule.

I'd prefer they stick with villains with a lesser mountain of baggage to their origin. Anything that requires overlap with other Marvel series is a bad idea as it becomes a nightmare for movie production when those characters are under license by another production company whose approval is required for their use in anybody else film. This is why you might see some in joke references to Metropolis or Lex Luthor in a Batman movie but you don't want to go any deeper.

For a good example of what happens when you strip a well established character of their backstory just look at the appalling Catwoman movie due out soon. Just don't pay to look at it.

Some of the Spidey continuity is pretty well mangled now. We certainly can't expect to see the Gwen Stacy clone showing up since both Gwen and Peter's previous blonde interest Liz Allen (who eventually becomes the long suffering wife of Harry Osborn and BTW when is Harry gonna start shoot horse?) were rolled together with Mary Jane Watson into a single character. Old time Spidey readers were really expecting Kirsten Dunst's neck to snap at one point in the first movie since they blatently set up a recreation of Gwen Stacy's death.

See how complicated this shit gets if you try to approach it as a comics fan with a strong memory?

Movies from comics are a difficult business. Don't think of this as happening in the Marvel Universe but instead in a distinct Spideyverse where things are much simpler and superpowered people, by means biologicaol or technological, are exceedingly rare.

[ElfAngel7]

I'm hoping for the Lizard. Man-Wolf really isn't in the top echelon of villians, and I think they need to develope Harry's psyco more. I'm thinking they should get Venom by 4 or 5. Maybe introducing the symbiote at the end of 3?

[epobirs]

thanks for the book - how much do you want to bet that he got a virus in the series and tried to capture spidey? lets bet all your games. i was wrong, but he did get hte virus in space, and have you been to the mooon? then how woudl you know if you could get a virus or not? probably because the government todl you.

Here is a more detailed account than I could spin off from memory.

http://webhome.idirect.com/~twessner/man-wolf/manwolf.htm

Note the lack of virus infections. To pick up a virus on the moon you would need to be exposed to the environment, such a it is. The exposure alone would be a much greater threat to one's life than any magical lycanthropy inducing virus. I realize we're talking about comic books here but try to be at least somewhat rational.

You may be thinking of a early Spider-man story (Issue #42 according to the linked article) in which Jameson is temporarily gifted with superpowers by 'space spores.' I was three years old at the time it was published so I don't recall the rationale for Jameson to come in contact with the damn things but I suspect it wasn't a good one. My older sibling brought home those comics and I can onlyrecall that issue to the extent it was a lousy filler story. Spidey's rescue of Jameson Jr. in the first issue was also a very ill-conceived concept. Any appearance of Jameson Jr. was a cause of groans until the Man-Wolf stuff and losing the crew cut made him a cool 70's dude.

Jameson Sr. tried to set up Jr. as a superhero with a mandate to get Spidey in the 'space spores' story but that was a cheap one-shot idea all-too reminiscent of how Jimmy Olsen seemed to acquire superpowers every couple of months or so with no recollection of the previous occurrance.

[epobirs]

I'm hoping for the Lizard. Man-Wolf really isn't in the top echelon of villians, and I think they need to develope Harry's psyco more. I'm thinking they should get Venom by 4 or 5. Maybe introducing the symbiote at the end of 3?

They need to get his heroin habit going. That was a big part of his psychotic break in the comics so get that boy some heroin!

OTOH I always thought a strong contributor to the general Osborn family propensity for insanity was the weird-ass hair they're forced to live with. I can remember as a kid my friends and I would try to think of anybody we'd ever seen with anything on their head an artist might interpret that way. The only human hair that came close was on black men who used lots of pomade for a slicked down style. We sure as hell never saw any redheads with those kinds of follicles. Surely it was really some kind of mind bending scalp parasite. An ancestor of the alien symbiote, perhaps.

[Wshakspear]

My main thought is having it be Jameson be the one that brings home the symbiote, even if its basically a taxi ride on the craft.

[Gameboy415]

If its just fucking Green Goblin again I will NOT see this movie. The only way I would even consider seeing it is if it has the Lizard (or Venom, but that'll never happen).

[abrannan]

If a new female character, I'd prefer Felicia Harding/Black cat. She would spice it up a lot.

She may spice it up a lot, but for the general non-comic reading public she'll be seen as just another Catwoman knockoff, even though the two are quite different.

[Machine]

Movies always re-write hero and villan origins so I wouldn't worry too much about Venom's backstory causing a problem. I doubt he will be the main villan for #3 - it's too soon.

[epobirs]

My main thought is having it be Jameson be the one that brings home the symbiote, even if its basically a taxi ride on the craft.

That's essentially what they did in the animated series. I recall a bit with a sort of space shuttle-ly thing being saved from a worse crash landing by Spidey creating a web barrier to slow it down but I don't recall if they actually went to the detail of make one of the astronauts Jameson Jr.

[epobirs]

I look at it his way. While the Green Goblin was the weakest part of the movie I always found him to be very uninteresting in the comics, too. If it weren't for the goblin murdering Gwen Stacy and ongoing entanglements in Peter Parker's life I'd consider the Green goblin among the least memorable Spider-man villains.

Even so, that first movie was pretty damn good. The most satisfying superhero up to that time. X-men was enjoyable on its own merits but didn't capture the feeling of the source material nearly as well.

So, thus far I'm pretty impresed with Sam Raimi's track record on this series and I'm willing to trust his judgement. Whatever villain he chooses next is fine with me. I may be surprised when I hear the choice but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[WildWop]

You may think you want to see Venom but if you think about what is required to make a movie that works for the mainstream audience and thus justifies its mammoth budget, you don't want Venom.

The problem with Venom is the massive backstory. Not just the whole Secret Wars ugliness but also the large amount of interation with other Marvel series well before the symbiote comes anywhere near Eddie Brock. If you recall how it was handled in the Fox animated series it was pretty unsatisfying because they had to rush the plot development. It would be even worse in a movie unless they go the route of shooting two or more movie back to back with a tight release schedule.

I'd prefer they stick with villains with a lesser mountain of baggage to their origin. Anything that requires overlap with other Marvel series is a bad idea as it becomes a nightmare for movie production when those characters are under license by another production company whose approval is required for their use in anybody else film. This is why you might see some in joke references to Metropolis or Lex Luthor in a Batman movie but you don't want to go any deeper.

For a good example of what happens when you strip a well established character of their backstory just look at the appalling Catwoman movie due out soon. Just don't pay to look at it.

Some of the Spidey continuity is pretty well mangled now. We certainly can't expect to see the Gwen Stacy clone showing up since both Gwen and Peter's previous blonde interest Liz Allen (who eventually becomes the long suffering wife of Harry Osborn and BTW when is Harry gonna start shoot horse?) were rolled together with Mary Jane Watson into a single character. Old time Spidey readers were really expecting Kirsten Dunst's neck to snap at one point in the first movie since they blatently set up a recreation of Gwen Stacy's death.

See how complicated this shit gets if you try to approach it as a comics fan with a strong memory?

Movies from comics are a difficult business. Don't think of this as happening in the Marvel Universe but instead in a distinct Spideyverse where things are much simpler and superpowered people, by means biologicaol or technological, are exceedingly rare.

Go read the Ultimate Spiderman version of Venom. THAT they can do in a movie. If people can buy into metal arms fusing to a man's nervous system, they can buy into the bio-engineered supersuit idea.

[tcrash247]

People need to stop associating Hobgoblin with Harry Osbourne. Hobgoblin is not Harry!!! Its Roderick Kingsley who stumbled upon Norman's GG lair. I seriuosly doubt Harry would give Norman's stuff to Roderick. Hes gonna take it and use it himself. I'm guessing he would be in 3 as GG along with Lizard. But maybe Spidey will fight them both seperately, like he'll fight Harry in the first half and Lizard in the second. I'll be pissed if they both conspire together like the villians in the Batman movies.

On another note, I would love to see Venom in 3, but it ain't happening. And like someone said about his backstory, Hollywood will change it so they can fit it into a movie.

[catacasa]

Adding the Brock/Venom hatred of Spiderman plot would be awesome, but I agree with some of the earlier posts. It would be near impossible to implement it. And even if they do, I don't think that's the direction of these films.
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These movies are alot less about WHO spiderman is struggling with but with WHAT. Hell, you hear it in each of the movies..."With great power comes great responsibility." You are supposed to feel for him. His battles with the powers that he has been given and how it affects his personal life and the lives of those close to him.
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I'm convinced Spiderman 3 will focus on Conners/Lizard and will ultimately end in an extremely climatic and moving 'friend versus friend' duel between Spidey and Green Goblin. I won't rule out Jameson's son, though. We shall see.

[epobirs]

Adding the Brock/Venom hatred of Spiderman plot would be awesome, but I agree with some of the earlier posts. It would be near impossible to implement it. And even if they do, I don't think that's the direction of these films.
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These movies are alot less about WHO spiderman is struggling with but with WHAT. Hell, you hear it in each of the movies..."With great power comes great responsibility." You are supposed to feel for him. His battles with the powers that he has been given and how it affects his personal life and the lives of those close to him.
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I'm convinced Spiderman 3 will focus on Conners/Lizard and will ultimately end in an extremely climatic and moving 'friend versus friend' duel between Spidey and Green Goblin. I won't rule out Jameson's son, though. We shall see.

There are some possibilities there for a three-way running battle with Harry as a second Green Goblin (in the comics tradition before Hobgoblin was created almost a decade later) and Connors as the Lizard. Connors would be a good candidate to help Harry investigate his father's research and the inevitable disaster from recreating that research could be the trigger to push Connors' recent success in regrowing his arm into making him the Lizard as well as making Harry both nuts and powerful.

We have a hero who must place his chosen duty above his friends and family, we have two villains, and a lot of good overall plot advancement without too horribly manging the source material.

[epobirs]

Go read the Ultimate Spiderman version of Venom. THAT they can do in a movie. If people can buy into metal arms fusing to a man's nervous system, they can buy into the bio-engineered supersuit idea.

Considering the rate of improvement in prosthetics actuated by nerve signals I have no trouble buying the basic Doc Ock scenario. It'sthe weight of the things that is more of an issue. Just the prop arms in the movie weighed over 50 pounds. The stars had a running competition to see who could complain about their backs the most.

I'll have to take a look at the Ultimate Spider-man collection but I get a feeling I'll be underwhelmed with the revamped origin. The same thing that makes Venom so hard to use in a movie is what makes him interesting in the comics: the depth of continuity. Good origins don't come along that often. To many are throwaways for one-shot bad guys who never turn up again except to be mocked or if they want to create the appearance of a mass slaughter by killing off a bunch of characters nobody ever really cared about. (I can remember the storyline that had brief appearances across a bunch of Marvel series before its cumination but I can't remeber anything about the killer except that he always said Justice is done" from off-panel)

[KingDox]

People need to stop associating Hobgoblin with Harry Osbourne. Hobgoblin is not Harry!!! Its Roderick Kingsley who stumbled upon Norman's GG lair. I seriuosly doubt Harry would give Norman's stuff to Roderick. Hes gonna take it and use it himself. I'm guessing he would be in 3 as GG along with Lizard. But maybe Spidey will fight them both seperately, like he'll fight Harry in the first half and Lizard in the second. I'll be pissed if they both conspire together like the villians in the Batman movies.


yeah what they should do in part 3 is have Kingsley find the lair and become hobgoblin. Then at the very end of the movie have harry become green goblin (with the old school costume) to help peter take kingsley down.

Also I don't ever want to see more then one villian in the movie. If that is the case then these movies will turn into batman movies and each new one will have the cast increased by one. By the last batman movie we had batman, robin, batgirl, bane, poisin ivy & Mr freeze in the same damn movie. How are you going to make a good movie when at most you can devote 15 minutes to character development ?

[epobirs]

Also keep in mind how many of those characters were entirely new within that movie rather than built up over the series. And don't forget the biggest problem was having a director who actually liked the horrible 60's TV series and wanted to that with a gay subtext. I was once introduced to Joel Schumacher by a friend who works at a studio that handles a lot of industry screenings. The guy is so flaming you could roast marshmallows over him. If he did a live action version of 'The Ambiguously Gay Duo' there would be NO ambiguity.

[Nirvanaguy777]

i heard from reliable sources venom and lizard, and they are thinking about using brock lesnar or vin desil for venom

[Nirvanaguy777]

also green goblin and hob goblin should not be on the same vote, they are different characters.

[Tromack]

I say Mysterio all the way. Everybody loves villains with fish bowls.

[Wshakspear]

They will piss everyone off and have be Kraven, Played by the crocidile hunter

[Nirvanaguy777]

They will piss everyone off and have be Kraven, Played by the crocidile hunter

fuck the crocidile hunter, have crocidile dunde play kraven.

[st0neface]

i heard from reliable sources venom and lizard, and they are thinking about using brock lesnar or vin desil for venom

Please elaborate on who these "reliable sources" are.

[Lootr2Core]

Like others have said I hope for a 2 villian vs spidey. One 'main' one, but than with the hob goblin kinda working on the sidelines. Think it will need this as teh Mary Jane story has run its course (I think it will show in the opening credits or earlly as a flashback that she is bascially out of Peters life) and the Harry thing can get old now.. so they will need an 'extra' angle of villians

[Nirvanaguy777]

i heard from reliable sources venom and lizard, and they are thinking about using brock lesnar or vin desil for venom

Please elaborate on who these "reliable sources" are.

My friend joe who is manager at a regal theater, the just from the jay and silent bob secret stash ( a huge comic store), and a few of my comic loving friends

[opportunity777]

They are signed up to 6 movies for Spiderman.

It was announced on 03/24/2004, source:

http://movies.go.com/movies/S/spiderman2_2004/buzz.html

[Negative]

I heard Raimi wanted Eliza Dushku (sp?) to play the part of Black Cat. Any truth to that?

[tcrash247]

They are signed up to 6 movies for Spiderman.

It was announced on 03/24/2004, source:

http://movies.go.com/movies/S/spiderman2_2004/buzz.html

Its funny how almost all of that stuff is not true.

[JSweeney]

Hopefully venom, but then if that happens they'll probably have to fit the entire maximum carnage series in one movie.

That's nothing. To introduce Venom, they'll either have to exlain the entirety of the Secret Wars, or just basically make it so it never happened.

[Wshakspear]

was just reading ign and somebody had a good idea.

Have the next film be spidey vs. both GG and The Lizard, and hvae the symbiote come back with JJ from space so spidey is strong enough to take on both, then leave the film with parker going a bit nuts.

[tcrash247]

was just reading ign and somebody had a good idea.

Have the next film be spidey vs. both GG and The Lizard, and hvae the symbiote come back with JJ from space so spidey is strong enough to take on both, then leave the film with parker going a bit nuts.

Ah! That has Batman written all over it. I like the idea of the symbiote, but I don't want the villians working together or conspiring. He should fight one and then the other, or take turns fighting them.

[JSweeney]

I still think they need to bring in Gwen Stacy just to kill her off, as well as bringing in either Venom or letting Harry know that Peter is Spiderman... those were always big story points, as well as why Venom, Carnage and the Green Goblin were so dangerous.

[tcrash247]

I still think they need to bring in Gwen Stacy just to kill her off, as well as bringing in either Venom or letting Harry know that Peter is Spiderman... those were always big story points, as well as why Venom, Carnage and the Green Goblin were so dangerous.

Have you seen Spiderman 2 yet?

[JSweeney]

Set up a couple of movies and introduce people early.

Have Harry reform. Have Doc Connors study the Goblin Weaponry and Harry's psyche. Hobgoblin comes and steals the things, and takes of Connor's arm in the process. Hobgoblin kills Stacy, Green Goblin kills Hobgoblin. Connors trys his gene therapy (somehow learned as part of the goblin project) and ends up turning into Lizard.

Lizard is now hunting down the Goblin, seeing him as at fault for his change... Green Goblin, who now knows Peter is Spiderman goes after Peter and his loved ones... who are at a shuttle landing/homecoming of JJJ's astronaut son.

Goblin takes down the plane/shuttle, trying to drop into the crowd to kill Aunt May and a couple more of Peter's loved ones. As the plane crashes, a black fluid leaks out, and spills on the Spiderman suit.

Spiderman is obviously hurt, but just a Goblin tries to go in for the kill, Lizard jumps him.
Green Goblin leaves, with Lizard in persuit. Peter jumps up to give chase... but hears sirens, and sees that Aunt May is hurt. He ducks around a corner and takes his suit off and tucks it into a bag and then runs to the ambulance.

Peter sits a bedside vigil, but ends up nodding off...
he wakes up in the middle of the night, wearing his Spider Suit. Not knowing what's going on, he runs out into the street in terror... when he is attacked by the Lizard for trying to interfere with his pursuit of the Goblin. Peter beats the Lizard mercilessly, leaving him a broken mess... when he spots the Goblin.

Looking at his suit, which is now tattered and battle-worn, he says.. this doesn't really suit me anymore does it?.. and the suit turns into the black and white spidersuit.

Spiderman gives chase to the Goblin, and displays all of his new enhanced powers... beating Harry easily and reducing him to whimpering mess...

As he swings away, he starts to speak (just like at the end of the first one)...
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We learned long ago that with our power came responsibility..and that people would attack our loved ones. That will never happen again. We will make sure of it."


This obviously sets up a venom-dominated sequel (Eddie Brock was introduced during the homecoming for JJJ's son, laying all of the groundwork for the next movie, but letting it stand on it's own just like all the others)

[JSweeney]

I still think they need to bring in Gwen Stacy just to kill her off, as well as bringing in either Venom or letting Harry know that Peter is Spiderman... those were always big story points, as well as why Venom, Carnage and the Green Goblin were so dangerous.

Have you seen Spiderman 2 yet?

Nope. I wouldn't be posting about it if I had. I'd be worried about dropping a spoiler.

[CaptainObviousXl]

daredevil lol

[KingDox]

Yeah there is no way that they can do the real comic story about the black costume. I'm guessing they will use the 90's cartoon version. I don't really have a problem with this, especially if they do the whole space shuttle crashing into the brooklin bridge. Also they can have the black costume show up in part 3 and help peter beat what ever villian but not have the costume be evil and have venom show up untill part 4.

[batman2million]

I doubt they'll introduce Venom. Most likly they'll put up one of the Goblin. After I walked out the movie, everyones like..Harry going to be the next green goblin, sure it could happen but Norman Osborn comes back, i dunno how..but in the comic he does ( never got to read it). And if you guys have noticed, the movie isn't all on the comic, most of the charaters backrounds are nothing like the book, execpt Peters. And I also read that Sam Rami and Toby are not really looking fowarad to part 4. I'm a big time spider man fan...and the movie isn't all its cracked up to be..thats my opinion.

[tcrash247]

Thats because Tobey and Sam only signed on for 3. And Norman Osbourne is dead... so I doubt he'll be coming back. I think most people know the origins of each character are skewed except for Spiderman.

[Wshakspear]

i dont know if you noticed...but what you wateched wasnt a comic book. It was a movie. and adaptation of a non-moving monthly publication into a 2 hour moving motion picture. There is a BIG transistion from one to the other, and im glad they've taken liberties so things actually make sense in those 2 hours.

[Xevious]

I agree with an earlier post that the Green Goblin and the Hobgoblin should be 2 separate choices.

ALSO...There is one major spiderman villain that is not on the list: Electro. You guys forgot about Electro.

All in all, if I had a choice for the next villain, it will be the Sandman. I think it would be some pretty cool special FX to bring him to life and he was a tough villain to boot...

[epobirs]

I agree with an earlier post that the Green Goblin and the Hobgoblin should be 2 separate choices.

ALSO...There is one major spiderman villain that is not on the list: Electro. You guys forgot about Electro.

All in all, if I had a choice for the next villain, it will be the Sandman. I think it would be some pretty cool special FX to bring him to life and he was a tough villain to boot...

You know, I completely forgot about Sandman, even though he's one of those very early villains (a Sinister Six and Frightful Four charter member) who has endured for all these years and believably made the transition to fighting for the good guys. He was really dull for most of his existence and I didn't look forward to his appearances but as with so many characters the right writer made him interesting.

This leads me to a general concept about how to proceed with these movies. While it's all well and good to cater to continuity geeks like me in comics it's a formula for death in the movies because it imposes too much effort on the casual audience to follow the plot. Deep fans and casual viewers alike can be satified if they limit themselves to the first few years of the series, essentially stuff that happened up through 1970. This is quite a lot of material and still includes a lot of appearances from major Marvel characters best left to their home franchises.

The perfect example is Doctor Doom. Great iconic Marvel character who menaced Spidey way back in his first year but the only movie doom should ever appear in is the Fantastic Four if/when that should really enter production. One classic Spider-man villain that rightfully has his home in Spidey's films has been stolen and rendered largely unusable by the Daredeveil movie. I'm speaking, of course, of The Kingpin. The Punisher was spawned out of Spider-man too but we can be confident he isn't going to playing second string to Spider-man since he's got his own franchise brewing.

With this in mind I'd eliminate Hobgoblin (unless he's Harry Osborn rather than a second Green Goblin) and Venom. We could add Chameleon, although he's always been pretty lame, as has Mysterio. Anyone else remember a 60's Spidey villain worthy of cinematic revival?

[Xevious]

The perfect example is Doctor Doom. Great iconic Marvel character who menaced Spidey way back in his first year but the only movie doom should ever appear in is the Fantastic Four if/when that should really enter production. One classic Spider-man villain that rightfully has his home in Spidey's films has been stolen and rendered largely unusable by the Daredeveil movie. I'm speaking, of course, of The Kingpin. The Punisher was spawned out of Spider-man too but we can be confident he isn't going to playing second string to Spider-man since he's got his own franchise brewing.


Just to let you know, theres been quite a lot of information on the upcoming Fantastic Four movie on www.ign.com. You will have to click "Movies" on the sidebar to find anything

[magilacudy]

Set up a couple of movies and introduce people early.

Have Harry reform. Have Doc Connors study the Goblin Weaponry and Harry's psyche. Hobgoblin comes and steals the things, and takes of Connor's arm in the process. Hobgoblin kills Stacy, Green Goblin kills Hobgoblin. Connors trys his gene therapy (somehow learned as part of the goblin project) and ends up turning into Lizard.


Sounds like some good ideas, but *minor spoilers* Connors already is missing an arm, and I think it's too late for Gwen Stacy to be introduced because we've seen what MJ does to Spidey.

I would love to see Venom in the next movie, but I think the film would have to be at least 3 hours long for some exposition on how the symbiote comes to be and how it comes to hate Spidey/Parker.

Thats because Tobey and Sam only signed on for 3. And Norman Osbourne is dead... so I doubt he'll be coming back. I think most people know the origins of each character are skewed except for Spiderman.

Osborn was dead in the comics too, but he came back too many times to count. They left the door open to his reappearing which could mean the possibility of Spider clones... *shivers*

[JSweeney]

Osborn was dead in the comics too, but he came back too many times to count. They left the door open to his reappearing which could mean the possibility of Spider clones... *shivers*

No! Not that!! Anything but that!!
Thats just wrong!! That movie would suck worse than Catwoman!!

[JSweeney]

I would love to see Venom in the next movie, but I think the film would have to be at least 3 hours long for some exposition on how the symbiote comes to be and how it comes to hate Spidey/Parker.

I agree. You can't have the symbiote costume be introduced and have Venom appear in the same movie... it's a long, convoluted story (even if you completely ignore the Secret Wars origin of the costume) Introduce the Symbiote at some point in one movie, and then have the next movie deal entirely with Venom and Eddie Brock. Then, you leave that conflict open and introduce Carnage in the movie after that.

[alongx]

If they do another goblin, it better be the return of the green goblin. I'd hate for them to incorrectly make Harry the hobgoblin. I'd hope for Venom, though, but I don't think they'd do that until a possible fourth movie, especially with that giveaway ending for this one with Harry finding out everything.