Xbox 361, who's buying? (Link added with additional pics) [Mobile/Archive] - Page 2

Zen Davis

01-07-2007, 12:33 PM

To quote dMek:

It is also laughable that people actually believe that the Xbox360 supports 1080p. It is simply using an upscaling chip to convert the signal to 1080p to send to the TV, which the TV was doing anyway when you send a 720p signal to a 1080p TV. There is no native 1080p material on the Xbox360. HD-DVD's have a 1080p res, but I am not sure if the Xbox360 is actually decoding the 1080p signal or upconverting a 720p signal to 1080p via the scaler.

To Sum up today's lesson:

Microsoft claimed a high definition drive was not necessary. The have released one.

Microsoft claimed that 1080p is a pipe dream and would not be needed for the next gen. They have released updates for that.

Microsoft claimed that HDMI would not be needed. That will be changing soon.

Microsoft stands firm that 20GB is enough for current gamers. It is only a matter of time before we get to ridiculously overpay for an larger yet undersized drive.

Lets have some fun with a future scenario:

The HD-DVD drive will never be used for games......
I guess when J.Allard's claimed "Well, we have the same hardware", he meant so through hundreds of dollars of upgrades and a year of sofware and hardware updates.

Wolfpup

01-07-2007, 12:38 PM

They are going to start having 1080p games, so the 360 can do 1080p

Not realistically. It's memory bandwidth constrained even at 720p, and only has 8 ROPS. It really doesn't have the hardware to do it unless you're doing fairly simple graphics (ie you'd have to massively lower the graphical quality to do 1080p).

I think the next generation will be the one we realistically get 1080p. 720p looks amazing though, so I'm not exactly complaining (not to mention my TV is "only" 720p :D )

rabidmonkeys

01-07-2007, 12:49 PM

Not realistically. It's memory bandwidth constrained even at 720p, and only has 8 ROPS. It really doesn't have the hardware to do it unless you're doing fairly simple graphics (ie you'd have to massively lower the graphical quality to do 1080p).

I think the next generation will be the one we realistically get 1080p. 720p looks amazing though, so I'm not exactly complaining (not to mention my TV is "only" 720p :D )

Splinter Cell Double agent already has 1080p

rabidmonkeys

01-07-2007, 12:51 PM

To quote dMek:

So you would rather them NOT listen to what the community wants? If they did that, you'd be first in line to bitch about that too, I'm sure.

anomynous

01-07-2007, 12:54 PM

Splinter Cell Double agent already has 1080p
So does Sonic (I think)

TexTuna

01-07-2007, 01:25 PM

"Buying"...uh, no. Now under it's 2 year "Protection Plan", will my 360 develop some sort of "problem" on the day these show up in my Microcenter? Most definitely....add's new meaning to the word "Protection Plan"....

:)

TexTuna

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 01:52 PM

The site was acting weird last night, sorry about the double posts.

alongx

01-07-2007, 03:03 PM

well know tommorow if it's fake.

This Guy is gunna hold a press confrence at CES 6:30PM in Las Vegas

Anything Gates says at CES will purposely avoid mentioning upgrades to their console. As is, I believe these new units would be rolling out in July at earliest - I don't have a source to cite, but I vaguely remember reading that July 2007 is when the 65nm processors would be in consumer units. Saying in January "Yes, it's official, we are bringing out a new 360 model with some minor hardware upgrades" is an absolutely terrible idea from a business perspective, and Gates is a businessman. Really, any announcement now would be like saying "Don't buy our product at all for the next 6 months."

Nintendo denied the DS Lite until only a few short weeks before the Japanese launch. Sony denied the PS2 slim until immediately before it was on the shelves. If they announced new hardware was coming any earlier, then it would have been like jamming on the break for sales in the short term. Hitting the breaks now would lose a lot of Microsoft's year head start.

Edit: I said this before, and I'll say it again: why are people idiotically suggesting that HD-DVD will be built in this new model? Where has it ever been suggested that HD-DVD is included? Xbox-Scene and Engadget both outlined all of the supposed upgrades: 65nm processor, 120GB HDD, HDMI port onboard/new scalar chip. That's it.

propeller_head

01-07-2007, 03:25 PM

Anything Gates says at CES will purposely avoid mentioning upgrades to their console. As is, I believe these new units would be rolling out in July at earliest - I don't have a source to cite, but I vaguely remember reading that July 2007 is when the 65nm processors would be in consumer units. Saying in January "Yes, it's official, we are bringing out a new 360 model with some minor hardware upgrades" is an absolutely terrible idea from a business perspective, and Gates is a businessman. Really, any announcement now would be like saying "Don't buy our product at all for the next 6 months."

Nintendo denied the DS Lite until only a few short weeks before the Japanese launch. Sony denied the PS2 slim until immediately before it was on the shelves. If they announced new hardware was coming any earlier, then it would have been like jamming on the break for sales in the short term. Hitting the breaks now would lose a lot of Microsoft's year head start.

Edit: I said this before, and I'll say it again: why are people idiotically suggesting that HD-DVD will be built in this new model? Where has it ever been suggested that HD-DVD is included? Xbox-Scene and Engadget both outlined all of the supposed upgrades: 65nm processor, 120GB HDD, HDMI port onboard/new scalar chip. That's it.

the people who keep saying HD-DVD inside are all sony fanboys masqerading as upset 360 owners trying to spread FUD. just ignore them.

and i know the 65nm is rolling out in either jun/jul. digitimes was the 1 that reported Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing pushed the 65nm SOI back 1Q.

your right just because he doenst announce it doesnt mean its not coming. but he could. say if he combined it with an immediate price drop on the ones out now ;)

1 of 2 things will happen

- the HDMI model will be specific and all the other models will continue to ship w/o HDMI.

- the HDMI model replaces all current models

now if the 2nd is the case they're going to have to clear out all the non-HDMI machines unless they're user upgradeable somehow to HDMI.
and whats the best way to do that? announce a price drop on them 6 months before the HDMI model comes out.

so, if he does announce a price drop. you can safely assume the rumor is true.

PyroGamer

01-07-2007, 03:56 PM

Fucking hell. Already Xbox 360 isn't good enough to compete with the next gen systems.

If Microsoft wasn't ready to stick through on the long-haul with the 360, why the fuck didn't they just wait another year?

This makes me really fucking mad that I spent >$400 on what will, in less than two years time, be outdated.

Next thing you know they'll finally release an HD-DVD drive built in to play games from, and us early adopters who bought at launch will be screwed to the wall.

anomynous

01-07-2007, 04:23 PM

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 04:28 PM

They already have had 6 difrrent versions of HDMI are you bitches going to cry when 1.4 comes out and PS3 and 360(If the rumor is true) only have 1.3?

DiscoDuck8k

01-07-2007, 04:29 PM

I'm not concerned.. I don't have an HDTV and I don't use that much space on the HDD as it is. The only thing that interests me is the new processor if it helps it run better.. but I don't see it making that huge a difference anyway.

I'd only consider getting the new model if my 360 dies again.

Diiz

01-07-2007, 04:44 PM

I didn't realize HDMI was such a big deal to so many people who are incessantly bitching in this thread.

Diiz

01-07-2007, 04:47 PM

I didn't realize HDMI was such a big deal to so many people who are incessantly bitching in this thread.

GF_Eric

01-07-2007, 04:54 PM

This whole deal doesn't really matter to me. I don't have a TV that uses HDMI. I don't care about a bigger hard drive (and, hello, they'll sell it seperately if you want one so bad), and the new chipset isn't really going to make all that much difference. The games will still play exactly the same, and if you actually think that Microsoft would alienate the 10,000,000 users that already have a system by making some big change that means games will only play on new systems, you are a fool.

In fact, I'm so not concerned about all of this, that I actually bought a new Core system (need one in the office and one in the living room, ya'know) yesterday knowing full well these changes were coming.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 04:57 PM

OH Dizz did a double post! Im telling! ;)

nintendokid

01-07-2007, 05:10 PM

By just reading this thread, you would come to the conclusion that 90% of American homes have $3000 HDTVs equipped with HDMI input because 90% of the people are mad about a new X360 with HDMI.

Those who are mad about this ill-rumored "upgrade" better be staring at a $2000 Bravia with HDMI already. You act like you are up in arms ready to buy a 50" DLP on the day this new X360 arrives. Ironic this is CHEAP ASS Gamer.com.

With your broke ass!

thrustbucket

01-07-2007, 05:26 PM

I don't give a shit about HDMI, the standard still isn't finalized anyway.

I do want a bigger hard drive and I am sure a bigger add-on is coming.

JDMxB

01-07-2007, 05:27 PM

I have the MS protection plan, and my 360 already has a few minor quips...e74 errors, black screens on bootup, etc. Don't know if I could get them to send me an HDMI unit later on, but its worth a shot. For what its worth I do have a HDMI TV.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 05:28 PM

I don't give a shit about HDMI, the standard still isn't finalized anyway.

I do want a bigger hard drive and I am sure a bigger add-on is coming.

I want a bigger HD too, I only use 1GB of the useable space right now,but It would be nice to have.

anomynous

01-07-2007, 05:49 PM

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 05:53 PM

I want to know why a lot of people in this thread think only $2000+ HDTVs have HDMI inputs. My 32" Polaroid 720p LCD HDTV (I got it for Christmas, and I know it was less than $1000)has a HDMI input. Nearly all, if not all, HDTVs made now have at least 1 HDMI input on them, regardless of resolution.

My 37 Vizio that I picked up from Sams club was $800 and has 2 component and 2 Hdmi ports for HD content. It's just that if we was in a Wii thread people would cry "WE don't want HD!" but because we are in a 360 thread, people say " I want HDMI!" when they probably don't even own a HDTV. It's all about finding something to complain about, no big deal, thats just how these boards work.

propeller_head

01-07-2007, 06:08 PM

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/ces-2007-xbox-360-announcements-leaked-iptv-dvr-vod-226561.php

Dean T. of the Mercury News just made an oops and leaked some Xbox 360 announcements Microsoft was planning on dropping next week at CES. Not only does he mention the improved Xbox 360s (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/xbox-360-v2-found-codenamed-zephyr-226366.php) with 120GB hard drives and HDMI ports, he also talks about the use of the Xbox 360 as an IPTV set-top-box. The leak says Microsoft's IPTV services will have instant channel change, multiple picture-in-picture, broadcast shows, video on demand, and DVR functionality—gotta use those 120GB for more than just trailers.
Sounds like Dean Takahashi's getting a Takahating from Microsoft tomorrow. – Jason Chen

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 07:13 PM

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/ces-2007-xbox-360-announcements-leaked-iptv-dvr-vod-226561.php

Where's propellerheads post?

jrutz

01-07-2007, 07:24 PM

I mainly just want a QUIET 360 and a fixed d-pad on the controller. I'll trade in my 360 in a second if I can get a quiet one.

Hear hear. My 360 is too damn loud for non-gaming activities like HD-DVDs and video downloads. It's distracting to watch a movie with that vacuum going full blast over the dialog.

That, and a high capacity hard drive is all I need. HDMI I can do without.

Mr Durand Pierre

01-07-2007, 08:36 PM

Brak

01-07-2007, 08:39 PM

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 08:40 PM

Quick question: Supposedly the current 360 has a 20 gig hard drive, but when I look up the system specs on it there's only a few gigs in use (for the demos and trailers that came with the unit) and it says there's only 10.3 gigs free. Is there something I'm missing here?

Noob :roll: ;)

The 360 uses some of the HDD as Cache to speed up data for games+other things.

The 360 operating system.
The OS is located in memory on the MOBO, otherwise how would a core unit work?

Brian9824

01-07-2007, 08:47 PM

A chunk of the HD is used for the emulation software, partitioning, game storage, etc. You only have about 13 gigs useable.

MetalGator

01-07-2007, 09:58 PM

If it has the bigger HD and a newer processor, couldn't Microsoft still put out an HDMI cable for those of us with the 1st gen? They still have two major selling points on the newer one if they did

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 10:01 PM

If it has the bigger HD and a newer processor, couldn't Microsoft still put out an HDMI cable for those of us with the 1st gen? They still have two major selling points on the newer one if they did

The current 360 models AV out port might not support HDMI standards.

Diiz

01-07-2007, 10:04 PM

A bigger HDD would be awesome, but I don't really need it with the current marketplace pace. Quieter and cooler is always better, but unless they swap out the DVD drive it won't make a difference how quiet anything else is. That being said, if the new unit is just totally badass, I'll return my current one.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 10:14 PM

Diiz

01-07-2007, 10:25 PM

It has to be black.

I'm an equal opportunity gamer, color doesn't make a difference to me.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 10:29 PM

I'm an equal opportunity gamer, color doesn't make a difference to me.

You know what they say "Once you go black, your going to need a wheel chair"

No but really, For me to buy another 360 It would have to come in black or be a special Halo edition.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 10:50 PM

MS's Bill Gates CES keynote speech is on now.

CocheseUGA

01-07-2007, 10:59 PM

I don't need the newer one unless someone fronts me a nicer TV. Otherwise, I'll listen in respect to the larger HDD. I don't live in a museum, so I can't hear the drive across the room.

Indiana

01-07-2007, 11:17 PM

MS's Bill Gates CES keynote speech is on now.

Did they unveil a new Xbox 360 model? Also, what about a price?

Indiana

01-07-2007, 11:19 PM

GizmoGC

01-07-2007, 11:19 PM

Still going on...boring.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 11:21 PM

Xbox premim now $299 with lifetime Gold Live and Xbox 360 Ultra with 120GB hdd, HDMI 1.3 port and 40% quieter also free lifetime gold live $399. ;)

CocheseUGA

01-07-2007, 11:23 PM

Dweebs are creaming themselves at TXB as we speak...

Diiz

01-07-2007, 11:24 PM

Minimizing the keynote until I hear someone say "360".

Diiz

01-07-2007, 11:30 PM

Whoop, there it is.

mykevermin

01-07-2007, 11:33 PM

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-07CES2007PR.mspx

Xbox 360 and Microsoft TV: Together Expanding the World of Games and Entertainment

In a move that will combine the power of Xbox 360 with Microsoft TV IPTV Edition, Bach provided an early look at a new service, IPTV on Xbox 360. The offering is expected to deliver world-class TV experiences such as digital video recording capabilities, with gaming, movie viewing, and even voice and video communications. Tapping into an expanded set of entertainment experiences, users will be able to watch their favorite sporting event live while chatting with their friends, for example, or participate in a match on Xbox Live® while they record a TV program in the background. IPTV on Xbox 360 is expected to be available to consumers by holiday season 2007 and will be offered by providers that are deploying TV services based on the Microsoft TV IPTV Edition software platform.

“Our goal is to make entertainment more personal, more interactive and more social,” Bach said. “IPTV on Xbox 360 and Xbox Live are powerful examples of ways we are bringing together the worlds of gaming, TV viewing and community to make it easy for people to access and discover their favorite content and share their personal experiences with the communities they are part of.”

Microsoft TV IPTV Edition continues to strengthen its position in the market with deployments under way with five of the world’s largest service providers and trials with 11 additional companies, representing a footprint across 14 countries on four continents.

Bach also showcased the strong momentum behind Xbox 360 and highlighted the company’s success in delivering high-definition viewing experiences with HD DVD. Exceeding expectations by hitting the 10.4 million-console-sold mark this holiday season, Xbox 360 is the leading next-generation games and entertainment platform. It is also the largest social network in the living room, with 5 million Xbox Live members.

In addition, strong sales of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player and strong demand for downloadable movies and television programs are a clear indication that increasing numbers of consumers see Xbox 360 as an ideal device for connecting to a broad range of entertainment experiences. In just over a year, people have downloaded more than 100 million pieces of content to their Xbox 360 consoles, which include game content, television shows and movies.

IPTV confirmed, but no mention of hardware changes (in the press release, anyway). Of course, a larger HDD is inevitable, but as most console makers know, you make those sorts of announcements when they're ready to ship to stores, lest you want to crush the chance of people buying your system between now and then (price drop notwithstanding).

hhhdx4

01-07-2007, 11:37 PM

so theres a chance that could be added in an update/downloadable package?

meh now its not so bad.

terribledeli

01-07-2007, 11:37 PM

Live running on Vista? Count me in.

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 11:39 PM

Live running on Vista? Count me in.

Thats old, Live is going to be on your everything from xbox to your computer to even you cell phone. This was shown last year.

terribledeli

01-07-2007, 11:42 PM

Thats old, Live is going to be on your everything from xbox to your computer to even you cell phone. This was shown last year.

Not in the context they just shown. All they did was show a video of how it was supposed to work last year. Showing it actually working is completely different.

Cormier6083

01-07-2007, 11:49 PM

I can't wat for IPTV it gonna rock!
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m41/metalocalypse/ne1.jpg

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 11:50 PM

Not in the context they just shown. All they did was show a video of how it was supposed to work last year. Showing it actually working is completely different.

This pic is from August of 06
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4710/untitledlx3.png

Diiz

01-07-2007, 11:50 PM

I love XBL, so I will love having live with me everywhere!

edit: what kind of phone is that? ^

Michaellvortega

01-07-2007, 11:52 PM

I love XBL, so I will love having live with me everywhere!

edit: what kind of phone is that? ^

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5641/20060619wu6.jpg

Diiz

01-08-2007, 12:03 AM

Hahaha, nice. My score IS balls, afterall... gotta keep dem tabs on my peeps.

Wolfpup

01-08-2007, 01:54 PM

So does Sonic (I think)

You guys wnat to post sources for that? I double checked reviews for Splinter Cell, and no mention of 1080p. It's EXTREMELY unlikely a "big" 360 game like that could do 1080p for the reasons mentioned.

Michaellvortega

01-08-2007, 01:57 PM

You guys wnat to post sources for that? I double checked reviews for Splinter Cell, and no mention of 1080p. It's EXTREMELY unlikely a "big" 360 game like that could do 1080p for the reasons mentioned.

Google makes life easy.

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/23747/info.shtml
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/733/733658p1.html

H-Town Info

01-08-2007, 02:02 PM

heh major nelson has my phone!

Wolfpup

01-08-2007, 02:02 PM

Fucking hell. Already Xbox 360 isn't good enough to compete with the next gen systems.

Why on Earth not? It blows the Wii's hardware out of the water, and is in the same ballpark as the PS3.

This makes me really fucking mad that I spent >$400 on what will, in less than two years time, be outdated.

It'll only be outdated if it completely flops so there are no new games, and that doesn't seem to be happening.

Next thing you know they'll finally release an HD-DVD drive built in to play games from, and us early adopters who bought at launch will be screwed to the wall.

No they won't. Even if Microsoft allowed games to be released on HD-DVD, publishers would never choose it over DVD.

Wolfpup

01-08-2007, 02:06 PM

Google makes life easy.

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/23747/info.shtml
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/733/733658p1.html

Those links seem to be about Microsoft's (then upcoming) support for 1080p as one of the resolutions you can choose in the dash. The games aren't rendering at 1080p, just outputting at that resolution (as everything can now). Everything's 720p (except for a handful of games that do slightly lower).

Brian9824

01-08-2007, 02:32 PM

I tend to agree that alot of people here are blowing this out of proportion. There are some good points being made such as Microsoft's repeated changing of their stance in whats needed for gaming and what's not.

Can we all agree that its more the fact that they are rolling out such an update so soon after launch that is pissing people off and not the actual update?

Michaellvortega

01-08-2007, 02:33 PM

Those links seem to be about Microsoft's (then upcoming) support for 1080p as one of the resolutions you can choose in the dash. The games aren't rendering at 1080p, just outputting at that resolution (as everything can now). Everything's 720p (except for a handful of games that do slightly lower).

In that case they wouldn't have mention Splinter cell and Sonic individually and the title would have been ALL 360 TITLES in 1080p. Up-scaling applys to every title not 1 or 2 select title.

"Splinter Cell: Double Agent will support 1080 progressive scan display for the Xbox 360" does not elude upscaling.

Zoglog

01-08-2007, 03:58 PM

hmmm tempted, but I think the HDMI upgrade will only really benefit the HD-DVD users with the 360 since all the games will be 720p natively anyway.

omegaweapon7

01-08-2007, 04:00 PM

life span of Xbox: 2.5 years

life span of xbox 360: 1 year??

Wolfpup

01-08-2007, 04:05 PM

In that case they wouldn't have mention Splinter cell and Sonic individually and the title would have been ALL 360 TITLES in 1080p. Up-scaling applys to every title not 1 or 2 select title.

"Splinter Cell: Double Agent will support 1080 progressive scan display for the Xbox 360" does not elude upscaling.

They were specifically talking about an option in the debug build, and how the upcoming (past) dashboard update was going to enable it for all games.

Not one review I've read has claimed it renders it at 1080p. And again, that would be a remarkable (read: impossible) feat considering the 360's architecture.

born2win413

01-08-2007, 04:13 PM

fuck that, this system better be more then 4 bills or i'm going to be fuckn pissed

ChaoticClimax

01-08-2007, 04:14 PM

I really don't see what everyone is so concerned about. There are almost 10 million "old" xbox 360's out there and there will be a lot more by the time this is released. There is no way developers will screw over the bulk of the 360 gaming community, they want to make money. Won't the update allow you to do most everything anyhow? The only thing that I don't like is the inclusion of a bigger harddrive, but as we all know at this point, it does detatch and is therefore upgradeable. Everyone needs to cheer up :) I just got my 360 little over a month ago and while the news irritated me at first, it doesn't really change too much as far as I'm concerned.

thrustbucket

01-08-2007, 05:45 PM

It seems to me an awful lot of you are getting your panties in a wad over unannounced hardware. For all we know it's an entirely different sku/product marketed at a different segment and won't be out till next Chrsitmas.

My hell, calm down, there is no proof that you got screwed by buying an Xbox in any way shape or form.

Zoglog

01-08-2007, 06:05 PM

I don't see why people care that much in general. It's not that big of a change and the HD will be upgradeable.

thrustbucket

01-08-2007, 06:09 PM

I don't see why people care that much in general. It's not that big of a change and the HD will be upgradeable.

Exactly. The hard drive is external for a reason.

h0mi

01-09-2007, 01:00 AM

Ok folks

Breathe deeply and calm down. I've posted in that thread a few remarks and will share my wisdom here.

First off this isn't an MS announcement but a rumor, once that persisted back last year in July of 2006.

Second, this doesn't affect gameplay at all. It affects how you can output your 360, and might affect playing HD content from live marketplace or from your HD-DVD player if you have one. The issue involves HDCP and whether you can play back a given title to your HDTV or not via HDMI, and what you're worried about is years away. In the short term, the only problem is HDMI and 1080p- most 1080p tvs don't support 1080p without HDMI but some do.

I would be somewhat disappointed if HDMI cannot be used on existing consoles; MS ought to come clear/clean about this and say it cannot and will not be done. If you want to be angry about this, be angry over this specific thing, but recognize too that this doesn't render your 360 as a useless device, anymore than 802.11n wifi renders existing ps3s supporting 11g "useless" and recognize that until MS ever released an HDMI cable, the 360 never officially supported it, so it's a stretch to say MS hoodwinked you.

As far as new HDs go, MS needs to implement something that will make it easier to replace or upgrade the HD. we know the HD is upgradeable... we also know that it isn't straightforward in moving things from 1 HD to another today- so a 120 gig drive upgrade sounds like it could be more trouble than it's worth.

I do not think the HDDVD will ever be built in the 360; MS wasn't _that_ committed to this format otherwise the 360 would've already had it built in.

thrustbucket

01-09-2007, 01:23 AM

h0mi-

I agree with your post. The problem is, this forum is full of the anal rententive type that feel like they got screwed, jiped, and bamboozled if they weren't given the option at 360 launch to get in a time machine and see if there would ever be another 360 sku in the future so they could wait and be assured they had the top notch, very best, most reliable 360 possible.

Arguing that games play the same regardless is pointless to this mindset.

These are probably mostly the same people that wouldn't buy Viva Pinata SE because it didn't look uniform on their alphabetized game case rack.

greatscot

01-13-2007, 02:40 AM

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/754/754240p1.html

Now whether you believe that's the real story or just spin is up to you.

propeller_head

01-13-2007, 03:30 AM

thats just damage control. MS has already said that HDMI 1080p was nascent. they dont want to cannibalize potential 360 sales for the next 6 months.

100:1 HDMI comes out w/ the 65nm fab units.

Michaellvortega

01-13-2007, 07:47 PM

thats just damage control. MS has already said that HDMI 1080p was nascent. they dont want to cannibalize potential 360 sales for the next 6 months.

100:1 HDMI comes out w/ the 65nm fab units.

Im on that bet for $10 that it wont come out with HDMI in that time period with the 65nm units.

David85

01-13-2007, 08:15 PM

Wow take about freaking out for no reason.

I don't even understand the big deal, it's a slight upgrade, so what's the big deal? Some of you are acting like this will make the old 360 useles, are you smoking something? IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM! It's not like this is the Xbox 4D or something. And Nintendo does this every year. There are 4 different GBAs, 2 different DSs with a rumoured 3rd, 2 GCs, and by the end of the year two Wii's. It's not that big of a deal. So I say more your ass on.

Indiana

01-13-2007, 10:53 PM

HDMI will be added in the future. How soon is unclear. The fact is HDMI is the future in HDTV systems so MS would be making a mistake by not putting in HDMI at some point. I believe the VGA cable resolves the 1080p issue on just about every set on the market today.

I don't feel that HDMI is really an issue for most people since every HDTV offers Component jacks and most HDTV owners do not have 1080p sets. I plan on purchasing a 720p set soon so I guess it won't even affect me.

The real question is if you order the new IP tv service are they going to give you a free hard drive upgrade of 120gig or more? IP tv would be useless with the existing 20 gig hard drive.

Anything less than 80 gigs for a dvr service is too small. Especially when you start looking at the size of tv programs in HD.

So if they include a larger hard drive or the HD-DVD drive in the $399 system then I will feel like I've been screwed. But if they make those systems cost just as much as the price to upgrade my system to be equal that should be fair.

Michaellvortega

01-13-2007, 10:57 PM

With the low amount of people who will actually be able to get AT&T's IPTV via their Xb360's I doubt a free HDD upgrade will be a promotion. Only people who have project lightspeed or fiber to the pole ready areas are going to be able to take advantage of the IPTV service. AT&T has the right to pick and choose the areas THEY wish to service, so if your not in a high income bracket area don't expect IPTV anytime soon.

lilboo

01-13-2007, 11:04 PM

I have a question. If they pretty much just add like some HDMI ports as well as it comes with.. say an 80 or 120GB HDD, how can we upgrade our systems?

The HDD is detachable, but is there/would there be a wa to put everything on your 20gb onto your new HDD?

Michaellvortega

01-13-2007, 11:16 PM

Content not locked to a specific xbox unit could be moved via a Xport accessory or a possible dashboard update allowing data movement.

propeller_head

01-14-2007, 04:23 PM

yea i would see it being done by live. use a simple checkbox screen to make note of what you have on your 20GB. then you'd power it off put in the 120GB, power it on, log in & redownload it all. so, say you could use your 20GB drive for demos if you wanted & only move over your XBLA games. only downside to this setup is if you put your own media on it. you would have to do that again manually.

millrat1030

01-15-2007, 05:19 PM

ChaoticClimax don't believe the 10 million sales figure. I found out that M$ is counting all consoles they have shipped, that includes replacements. Now I know that doesn't sound like it makes that big of difference, but they have replaced or fixed alot of original launch 360s. M$ is really starting to get on my nerves with their comments, did they learn nothing from sony? Bill Gates now saying they wouldn't have built the 360 if it was going to be just for gameing. And Peter Moore going after Sony like a 12 year old girl. I've got to tell you I really hate all this bs from both camps. Can we convince Sega to create a new console, and go back to the good old Sega vs Nintendo days. They at least kept it civilized.

SpecTrE3353

01-15-2007, 05:25 PM

I've got to tell you I really hate all this bs from both camps. Can we convince Sega to create a new console, and go back to the good old Sega vs Nintendo days. They at least kept it civilized.

I don't know if I'd call it "civilized" but at least all they were concerned about was gaming, and the competition was stiff enough that the consumer really benefited.

propeller_head

01-17-2007, 02:55 PM

are these 120GB drives on the Forza 2 test units? they look larger than the regular 20GB units.

http://forzamotorsport.net/NR/rdonlyres/95944329-22B5-4D83-8658-4D357C6EB3E1/7459/triple2.jpg
http://forzamotorsport.net/NR/rdonlyres/95944329-22B5-4D83-8658-4D357C6EB3E1/7456/aaron.jpg

CocheseUGA

01-17-2007, 02:58 PM

I would just have to assume it's part of the dev kit. I don't see why the unit would need to physically be bigger.

On an unrelated note, I might have to get F2.

sonderiaom

01-17-2007, 03:02 PM

I would have to say that if there was everything new and at the same price of $400, I'd buy it.

starmask2k3

01-17-2007, 03:49 PM

no wifi that sucks

Wolfpup

01-17-2007, 04:29 PM

Apparently the DEV kits run much quieter than the "real" hardware :-(

And yeah, no reason the hard drive will look any different. The drive is physically the same size.

no wifi that sucks

Not really, considering it's easy to add it (and probably more compatible than having something built in) and most people don't use it.

propeller_head

01-28-2007, 02:56 PM

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070126/xbox-360-microsoft-shipments.htm

(International Business Times) - Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) slashed the shipments forecast of its Xbox 360 video game console yesterday, in a move some analysts believe will pave way for a future price cut and even an updated version of the game system.

Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell said on Thursday that Microsoft aims to ship a total of 12 million of its game consoles by June 30, the end of its fiscal year. This is down from a previous 13 to 15 million units target, but some industry observers feel the Redmond, Wash.-based firm is winding down inventories for an upcoming price cut.

"We assume roughly a $100 price cut with the premium unit selling for $299 versus $399 previously," said Rick Sherlund, research analyst for Goldman Sachs.

"With Sony likely delivering enough consoles to meet demand by the June quarter," he explains, "this would seem to be an appropriate time for Microsoft to move down the price curve and benefit from the elasticity of demand."

Also, with Microsoft's smash hit Halo 3 likely to begin shipping in September, Sherlund feels the software giant can still "become profitable in this quarter even with this price reduction."

Microsoft's latest game console made its debut in November 2005, roughly a year ahead of next-generation machines from rivals Sony Corp. and Nintendo Co. Ltd. Since then it has sold over 10 million units, executives said yesterday.

Citigroup's Brent Thill believes that the firm may be lowering its shipments as it makes way for a revision of the game system, which may come this year. Thill believes the new design will be a revised motherboard design, HDMI ports for high-definition video, and 120 GB of storage - 6 times more than its current capacity.

Not all industry experts agree, however.

"A hardware refresh may be in order later this year, but more to cost-reduce the console rather than adding more parts, " commented Paul McNealy of American Technology Research.

Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division, the group responsible for the Xbox projects, contributed 21 percent towards the software company's $2.68 billion for the quarter.

Shares of Microsoft closed slightly up on the Nasdaq Stock Market today, rising 0.56 percent, or $0.17 to $30.60.

felixlighter

01-30-2007, 09:44 AM

Masterkyo

01-30-2007, 10:46 AM

Can't wait for E3 ;)

mykevermin

01-30-2007, 01:41 PM

propeller_head

That all sounds good but analysts are rarely completely correct. They get paid for their educated guesses but their speculations are usually no better than posters' in your typical game forums. It's just a guessing game at this point; analysts' opinions just get more press because they work for high powered investment firms and they get paid for their analysis.

Shh! Analysts are obviously correct when they say what he wants them to say, and uninformed buffoons when they say things like "Sony will eventually win this generation." :lol:

Seriously, though, what bothers me about analysts is that you can identify any number of them who will provide you with the outcome you foresee this generation - they have all the bases covered, so you can cherry pick supporting information for anything you believe; in the end, I feel, this ultimately renders analysts useless.

magiic

01-30-2007, 01:49 PM

I thought this whole thing was still just rumor? Or is it confirmed now? Or is everyone just talking out of there asses like it is confirmed?

CocheseUGA

01-30-2007, 02:01 PM

everyone just talking out of there asses like it is confirmed?

.

mykevermin

01-30-2007, 02:02 PM

magiic, #3.

felixlighter

01-30-2007, 02:12 PM

I thought this whole thing was still just rumor? Or is it confirmed now? Or is everyone just talking out of there asses like it is confirmed?

Microsoft hasn't officially announced a new version of the Xbox 360. Neither has a price decrease been confirmed. What you have to realize is, Microsoft will not be announcing a hardware update weeks and months before it is released. Same goes for a price decrease. They do not want to give anybody a reason to wait and buy later. If/when a new version is announced expect to see it in stores almost immediately and when a price decrease is announced, expect it to be "effective immediately". ...But until then expect a lot more speculation...

propeller_head

01-30-2007, 05:20 PM

propeller_head

That all sounds good but analysts are rarely completely correct. They get paid for their educated guesses but their speculations are usually no better than posters' in your typical game forums. It's just a guessing game at this point; analysts' opinions just get more press because they work for high powered investment firms and they get paid for their analysis. well duh. but when its your job to manage billions of $ of investments (citigroup is the largest investment co. in the world) youre going to have to be slightly more qualified than a fanboy ;) no1 can know the future for sure, but some people can have a better understanding of what will probably happen. for instance, chances are no1 here has contacts w/ flextronics or chartered semiconductor. there's another aspect to it though, they could simply be playing w/ leaked info to manipulate the market. e.g.
http://publish.vx.roo.com/thestreet/portal/?channel=Cramer%20On%20Demand&clipid=1373_10329438

propeller_head

01-30-2007, 05:37 PM

Shh! Analysts are obviously correct when they say what he wants them to say, and uninformed buffoons when they say things like "Sony will eventually win this generation." :lol:

Seriously, though, what bothers me about analysts is that you can identify any number of them who will provide you with the outcome you foresee this generation - they have all the bases covered, so you can cherry pick supporting information for anything you believe; in the end, I feel, this ultimately renders analysts useless.
quiet down mr fanboy:lol:
i never said anything about the ps3. the fact that u read that into it means yer mind goes there straight. typical fanboyism.
but if you insist on it, im pretty sure i said it before. but its fairly obvious sony's going long w/ the PS3. they want it to last like the PS2 did, whereas MS will get its replacement for the 360 in and 360 players will switch over much more readily. MS is being aggressive sony's relying on its brand & predictability of average consumers.
youre right about all analysts having different opinions. but fact of the matter is, if their preditictions are off long enough, they dont have a job anymore:razz:

and yes there are analysts who actually sound less educated about the whole situation than even a casual gamer. case in point
http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/01/26/221206.shtml
the comments are kinda amusing :lol:

propeller_head

01-30-2007, 05:44 PM

I thought this whole thing was still just rumor? Or is it confirmed now? Or is everyone just talking out of there asses like it is confirmed?
i for one am proud to talk out of my ass. it takes real talent to synthesize the equiv of my vocal chords w/ my sphincter.:bouncy::booty::rofl::joystick::-P;)

propeller_head

01-30-2007, 05:48 PM

Microsoft hasn't officially announced a new version of the Xbox 360. Neither has a price decrease been confirmed. What you have to realize is, Microsoft will not be announcing a hardware update weeks and months before it is released. Same goes for a price decrease. They do not want to give anybody a reason to wait and buy later. If/when a new version is announced expect to see it in stores almost immediately and when a price decrease is announced, expect it to be "effective immediately". ...But until then expect a lot more speculation...
exactamundo!

anyway i wasnt trying to spread false rumours or anything. i was just putting the info out there for any1 who's consiering waiting for a price drop. which will happen, thats a for sure. ms hasnt said anything about the hdmi for sure, but the move to 65nm fab is confirmed. question is just when. when, oh when will the blahblahblah when oh when will it blaaaaaah..

01-30-2007, 08:41 PM

I was all set to wait for a price drop and/or smaller/cooler system and/or bigger HD. But then I found out a game store where I have tons of credit at is closing in March. So I'll probably pick up a 360 as a result. I was encouraged by the IGN "predictions". Though, of course, their opinion is as good (or bad) as anyone else's. But I'd put them at the same level of credibility as this analyst.

Their reasons for there NOT being a price drop or redesign this year are varied - but one is the impending release of Halo 3. They figure that will sell many systems at the current price so why would they cut out $50 or $100 on each system before that comes out? Anyway, it is an interesting read and I hope (for purely selfish reasons) that they are right if I decide to blow all my leftover credit on a 360 + games:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/759/759057p1.html

I don't mind when things like the DS get redesigned as 1) I can use multiple systems (for the kids for multiplayer) and 2) the old ones still held decent resale value (or even sold for a premium in some cases like the old Teal ones).

I'd be pretty annoyed by the 360 redesign if it happened within a few months of my purchase, though. The old ones won't sell for much (especially if there's a price drop as well!) and I wouldn't feel it was worth it to upgrade, though I'd feel ripped off having the older one. I probably won't play the thing very much over the next several months anyway, so that would be more reason to be annoyed if a better/cheaper one came out.

propeller_head

01-31-2007, 12:40 AM

Que Sera, Sera... Whatever Will Be, Will Be

sonicbooom

01-31-2007, 02:30 AM

I just bought my 360 two weeks ago.

I hope this thing doesn't come out for another year at least.

magiic

01-31-2007, 05:43 AM

magiic, #3.
I figured as much

Wolfpup

01-31-2007, 10:47 AM

Personally I think Microsoft would be incredibly stupid and short sighted not to drop the price this year, at the least. The 360 hasn't sold as well as people thought it would, has completly bombed in Japan, and right now has a HUGE potential advantage against the PS3 with a larger library and cheaper hardware. They need to milk that for all it's worth to get as much marketshare as possible while they still have those advantages, as they'll evaporate within a couple of years tops.

Going by the numbers we've seen, they SHOULD have dropped the price prior to Christmas to move more units, though I understand why they didn't. I have a feeling Microsoft won't be as aggressive on price as a Japanese company would be.

CocheseUGA

01-31-2007, 11:03 AM

and right now has a HUGE potential advantage against the PS3 with a larger library and cheaper hardware.

And that's exactly why there hasn't been a price drop. PS3s are ridiculous, and Wiis are still in short supply. Neither really have the must-own games that the 360 has. Why lower the price when you are clearly the next-gen leader?

When the PS3 games and the Wii hardware start to flow, THEN you make the marketing move. I see them packaging the HD-DVD player in before I see a $100 drop. Maybe a $20 or $50 drop, but not $100. It makes no fiscal sense to lower the price of something that is clearly popular, and is only going to get more popular as this year goes on.

sonicbooom

01-31-2007, 11:09 AM

And that's exactly why there hasn't been a price drop. PS3s are ridiculous, and Wiis are still in short supply. Neither really have the must-own games that the 360 has. Why lower the price when you are clearly the next-gen leader?

When the PS3 games and the Wii hardware start to flow, THEN you make the marketing move. I see them packaging the HD-DVD player in before I see a $100 drop. Maybe a $20 or $50 drop, but not $100. It makes no fiscal sense to lower the price of something that is clearly popular, and is only going to get more popular as this year goes on. I agree.

The 360 is doing well right now. There won't be a price drop unless there is a major change with the Wii or PS3.

Plus, this should be a great year for games on the 360. I thought I was excited about last year's PS2 releases, but I'm more about the 360 games this year.

CrimsonPaw

01-31-2007, 11:21 AM

Here's another tidbit I found from an interview that News.com had with Bill Gates:
One of things Microsoft said on the earnings call (http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sales+unharmed+by+Vista+delays/2100-1014_3-6153511.html) last week is that you are not going to ship quite as many Xboxes, at least in the near term, as you had forecast. What's behind that?
Gates: The Xbox had a great Christmas, but we actually provided enough inventory to go even beyond that. People in the first half will be working off that somewhat. We're always quite conservative in terms of how we do forecasts. We feel our competitive position with Xbox 360 could not be better. We got out a year ahead of our competitor, got the volume up there so that software people see it as the platform they really want to build on. Even with the conservatism, I've never felt better about Xbox 360 and where it is.
What I find interesting is that the 360 is doing very well yet they are holding back on shipments. IMO this is a sign that they're scaling back to avoid having a high amount of current-gen 360s in the market when they bring out the new revision. Gates can spin this all he wants, but maketing 101 says you don't short your supply when there's demand unless you want to avoid taking a capital loss due to a new product.

I have a feeling that good things are abound for 360 owners this year.

Wolfpup

01-31-2007, 01:13 PM

The things is, the analyst-y type people say it didn't sell as expected, that they're not moving the numbers that were expected. Dropping price NOW builds marketshare now while the 360 still has an advantage.

Dropping price later just brings it in line with whatever Sony's doing then, and once the PS3 has an equivalent library, that may not be enough.

Long term they should have dropped the price so they weren't making money on the 360 again, as soon as they could. Making money on the hardware now is meaningless if it gets kicked around again by Sony.

Heck, a $300 Premium last Christmas would probably have seen WAY more sales than it did, and really built momentum. Coasting along until Sony catches up is not going to help them.

I guess if they can bring out a better model for the same price (ie all in one design, better controller, quieter system + HDMI + larger drive-or at least larger drives available) then it won't look like a price increase, which would be an argument for keeping the price the same.

EDIT: (Another point-Microsoft would have to absolutely dominate in the US in order to compete world wide. The 360 flopped catastrophically in Japan, and would have to dominate that much more in the US to be seen as an equally viable platform world wide.)

CocheseUGA

01-31-2007, 01:38 PM

The things is, the analyst-y type people

There's your problem. MS doesn't care what analysts say. Most have an agenda regardless. MS cares about destroying Sony, and dropping price NOW doesn't do that. It's a tit-for-tat thing, and Sony hasn't shown their hand. In this market, the first person to do something isn't always the best. Right now PS3s are sitting in stores not being sold. Better software isn't going to help this much. Only a price drop will.

If Sony announces a $100 price drop, MS will need to have something in the bad to trump it. If you come out now with a drop, you've played your hand.

Wolfpup

01-31-2007, 01:52 PM

There's your problem. MS doesn't care what analysts say. Most have an agenda regardless. MS cares about destroying Sony, and dropping price NOW doesn't do that. It's a tit-for-tat thing, and Sony hasn't shown their hand. In this market, the first person to do something isn't always the best. Right now PS3s are sitting in stores not being sold. Better software isn't going to help this much. Only a price drop will.

Well, I totally disagree. Yeah, Microsoft wants to wipe out Sony-to do that they need to get hardware out there. They need so much out there that the 360 becomes the primary platform in the US-they need so much out there that Japanese companies consider it for primary development even if only the PS3 version will move in Japan.

Dropping the price prior to this Christmas would have moved more hardware than dropping the price down the line will. Dropping after Sony drops is just going to maintain the status quo, except Sony's library will continue to improve, the 360 will lose all it's "exclusive by default" games (ie games it got exclusively just because the PS3 wasn't out), etc.
Microsoft's making a short sighted mistake here, they're not capitalizing on their position, and they may come to regret that.

If Sony announces a $100 price drop, MS will need to have something in the bad to trump it. If you come out now with a drop, you've played your hand.

So? Their hand is just a price drop. Sony's always dictated when the market drops. For the first time ever, Microsoft has the cheaper to produce hardware, yet they're not taking full advantage of that. I bet in a reverse situation Sony would have dropped, or at least would prior to E3 (well, E3 in past years...)

You're basically saying that Microsoft dropping the price now somehow gives Sony the upper hand-how?

CocheseUGA

01-31-2007, 02:11 PM

Sony's always dictated when the market drops.

By a whole day, and MS beat them to the $150 price point. You're acting as if there is this gluttony of great titles forthcoming to Sony to move a $600 console. There isn't. Period. The PS3 exclusives only move so many consoles, and it did so at an initial price point HALF of it was for the PS2. For the 360, price only increased by $100 for the top-ender.

Oh, there's talk of some nice titles coming, but when are they going to be here? Almost every game I've heard of has been delayed at some point in the dev cycle. 360 sold over 1 million in December, PS3 half of that. And that doesn't take into account the people who tried to resell them. I can guarantee you people aren't buying 360s to resell.

360 may be losing Japan, but it's certainly not to Sony. Wii is pounding both of them, and rightly so. It's going to take a long time for the PS3 to be in more homes than the 360. Let's at least see the January numbers (when PS3s became commonplace) before we start assuming MS is freaking out over Sony. I guarantee you they aren't sweating it.

propeller_head

01-31-2007, 03:02 PM

well last gen it was the PS2 which dropped 1st as it had been out a year longer. MS followed suit the same week. i think we can expect the 360 to drop this summer w/ the PS3 dropping sometime w/in 2 months.

PS2 pricedrop 1 year 6 months
xbox pricedrop 6 months

ive read that MS is pursuing the idea of selling the 360 in china. so if a hdmi model does arrive perhaps the backstock of 360s not already on store shelves will be diverted there. if 360s start becoming scarce its probably a good sign the revisions getting ready to ship.

Spades22

01-31-2007, 03:14 PM

Don't know if theres a date for release or anything, too much to read, but I bet they'll release it at the same time or close to the release of Halo 3... then people will be so hyped about it they'll buy a 360 just for that game and owners will buy it as well... or at least before the Halo 3 is released.

Wolfpup

01-31-2007, 04:38 PM

By a whole day, and MS beat them to the $150 price point.

So? My point is Microsoft needs to do this for themselves. If they wait for Sony to force their hand, they've already given up their advantage.

You're acting as if there is this gluttony of great titles forthcoming to Sony to move a $600 console. There isn't. Period....

It's a $500 console, and it's at the same point the 360 was last year. It's library is small, but by the end of the year will be respectable. The 360's advantage in that regard will be over. 360 won't be getting any more "exclusives by default". NOW is the time for Microsoft to capitalize on it...actually this past Christmas was.

360 may be losing Japan, but it's certainly not to Sony.

The PS3 has slaughtered the 360 in Japan. It surpassed the 360's sales almost instantly. The 360 performed worse than the original X-Box.

...Let's at least see the January numbers (when PS3s became commonplace) before we start assuming MS is freaking out over Sony. I guarantee you they aren't sweating it.

Then they're idiots. They should be sweating it after the Christmas results and how badly they tanked in Japan. Sony's made huge mistakes (probably all tied to having to include a Blu Ray drive) and it left Microsoft an opening...that they haven't taken as aggressively as they should. Waiting around for Sony to catch up is not a winning strategy.

zewone

01-31-2007, 04:47 PM

I know what you're trying to say Wolfpup, but really, if the 60GB PS3 dropped to $500 on June 1st, and MS dropped the premium to $300 on June 2nd, do you the general public would care who dropped what first?

Maybe for the first day, but that's nothing. It doesn't matter, as long as MS makes a similar drop.

After the recent news from the Sony official, about the PS3 won't see a price drop anytime soon, if I was MS I would drop the Core to $200 and the Premium to $300. At that price point, I'm sure that would push a lot of people that were on the edge, over. The $100 they lose on each system would more than likely be made up by new customers buying software/accessories/Live gold.

Wolfpup

01-31-2007, 05:00 PM

I know what you're trying to say Wolfpup, but really, if the 60GB PS3 dropped to $500 on June 1st, and MS dropped the premium to $300 on June 2nd, do you the general public would care who dropped what first?

[I presume you mean Sony would drop the PS3 to $400 (or maybe $430 like in Japan?]

Anyway that's not my point. Microsoft won't be gaining anything by dropping at the same time as Sony, they'll just be keeping up relative to where things are now.

By fiddling with the packaging prior to Christmas-maybe drop the "core" system, and just have one system with a hard drive but nothing else-Microsoft could have undercut Sony's pricing by $200 while losing little to nothing per unit.

A $300 price tag for a true next generation system would have been VERY appealing against a $250 Wii, or a $500 PS3-I think it would have boosted sales well past where they were, and I don't think Sony or Nintendo could have done anything to counter it (besides just having "new" hardware).

After the recent news from the Sony official, about the PS3 won't see a price drop anytime soon, if I was MS I would drop the Core to $200 and the Premium to $300. At that price point, I'm sure that would push a lot of people that were on the edge, over. The $100 they lose on each system would more than likely be made up by new customers buying software/accessories/Live gold.

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying, except I think they should have done it before Christmas, and maybe do some "Nintendon't" style ads like Sega did in the day, showcasing Gears of War and Viva Piniata Lost Planet against first generation PS3 stuff...and against Wii stuff too! Show off all the great first and second party 360 games, show how much better it is than Wii, show it's just as good as a PS3, but cheaper (after dropping the price that is).

But yeah, they should drop as soon as possible to get the maximum effect. (And Sony's already rumbling that they may cut prices, though haven't given a time frame.)

I think more that they'll just eliminate the Core package though, as they lose money on it apparently, and it's kind of just a gimmick. A more streamlined "regular" 360 with a hard drive is probably the way to go.

Do that now to move 360's, and fiddle with the pricing again when the new model hits (if it's a major redesign like I hope it is).

CocheseUGA

01-31-2007, 05:07 PM

So? My point is Microsoft needs to do this for themselves. If they wait for Sony to force their hand, they've already given up their advantage.

It's a $500 console, and it's at the same point the 360 was last year. It's library is small, but by the end of the year will be respectable. The 360's advantage in that regard will be over. 360 won't be getting any more "exclusives by default". NOW is the time for Microsoft to capitalize on it...actually this past Christmas was.

The PS3 has slaughtered the 360 in Japan. It surpassed the 360's sales almost instantly. The 360 performed worse than the original X-Box.

Then they're idiots. They should be sweating it after the Christmas results and how badly they tanked in Japan. Sony's made huge mistakes (probably all tied to having to include a Blu Ray drive) and it left Microsoft an opening...that they haven't taken as aggressively as they should. Waiting around for Sony to catch up is not a winning strategy.

No, it's a $600 console. If you're going to spend $500, might as well pony up the rest to get the MCR etc. I'm counting the 360 as $400, so if you want to stay in the conversation count it as $600.

Microsoft is looking at over 6.5x the number of 360s sold over the PS3. We won't see anything approaching a price drop until that number gets closer to 3x. MS waits on Sony? That's why they've had new pricing formats and displays ready to retail the day after? Please.

Sony's biggest problem is themselves. They sold 1 million more PS2s in December than PS3s. That helps the bottom line, but you can pretty much rule out those people to upgrade this year.

You keep worrying about Japan. Did Allard ever realistically think they'd win Japan? They've had two good game over there, and it sold pretty well. They get more games, they'll do better. And it isn't all about RPGs, as Gears sold out. PS3 sold about 4x more than 360 in December. Not surprising to anyone, least of all Microsoft people.

Point is, we can argue NPD numbers all we like, but it doesn't even come close to estimating the install base for the PS3 by any means. It will probably take 6 months to figure out how inflated the numbers are by people who bought to resell. They've sold 683.7k, maybe 400k are actually playing it? PS3 doesn't have one game in the top 10 for December. There's no attach rate.

The console isn't selling. That's plainly evidenced by the massive amounts that stores have in stock currently. If you have a Fry's near you, go see what elaborate display they've made of them. Microsoft are also getting some good, formerly PS2-exclusive titles this year as well. We'll see how well Guitar Hero and GTA do. I'm guessing pretty well.

You're Chicken Little when the sky is clear.

zewone

01-31-2007, 05:08 PM

[I presume you mean Sony would drop the PS3 to $400 (or maybe $430 like in Japan?]
I meant the 60GB PS3, so no, I did mean $500. I know there are people out there who like kid themselves that $500 is the actual cost of the system, and I would agree if the 20GB was as easy to find as the 60GB. Since it's not, $600 is the price of the system and $500 for those lucky enough to find a 20GB when then are looking to buy a PS3.

In a perfect world, there would have been no core or 60GB model, but in reality they do exist and they aren't going away anytime soon. But to MS's credit, the core and premium seem to have the same production amounts, giving the consumer their choice.

Anyway that's not my point. Microsoft won't be gaining anything by dropping at the same time as Sony, they'll just be keeping up relative to where things are now.

I see what you're saying now. I agree.

propeller_head

01-31-2007, 05:38 PM

Sony's biggest problem is themselves. They sold 1 million more PS2s in December than PS3s. That helps the bottom line, but you can pretty much rule out those people to upgrade this year. it doesnt detract from sales. there are 2 types of ppl who would buy a $100 console

a) someone who doesnt have the money/isnt willing to shell out more than $100

b) someone who wants another one (for kids room, to leave in a vacation house, to give as a gift to some1 [the only people giving PS3s as gifts are either the rich or direct relatives who want to use it themselves. kind of like giving a bowling ball to your wife:lol:], to simply have the slim one if they collect consoles)

no1 will compare a $100 console to a $600 realistically. the purchase decisions are seperate.

propeller_head

02-06-2007, 03:08 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/06/xbox-360-finally-quiets-down-with-brand-new-internal-dvd-drive/

Xbox 360 finally quiets down with brand new internal DVD drive

It's no secret that the Xbox 360's disc drive is hella noisy (http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/06/xbox-360-quieting-mod/), by far outstripping any incidental fan noises that might be going on inside that white box. Luckily, help is on the way -- sort of. Microsoft has started building its 360s with a new DVD drive manufactured by BenQ-LiteOn-Philips, the BenQ VAD6038, which purportedly runs "super-quiet" in comparison to the previous two drives used by MS, and even speeds up and smooths out load times. Of course, this does nothing for the 10 million plus current owners of Xbox 360s suffering from the noisy insanity of the older drives, but it does mean that as Microsoft ramps up production with this new drive, your next 360 hopefully won't fall victim to the whir.

Wolfpup

02-06-2007, 03:20 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/06/xbox-360-finally-quiets-down-with-brand-new-internal-dvd-drive/

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

Hell yeah! Thank you Microsoft!

Now how do we tell which model's have the new drive? I'm trading in my 360 if I can figure this out.

I may make the 360 my main system if I can figure this out :)

mykevermin

02-06-2007, 03:26 PM

Hmm. An unexpected change, but probably a damned welcome one.

propeller_head

02-06-2007, 05:43 PM

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

Hell yeah! Thank you Microsoft!

Now how do we tell which model's have the new drive? I'm trading in my 360 if I can figure this out.

I may make the 360 my main system if I can figure this out :)
well, easiest way would be to look at the tray. that is unless MS has a custom tray for some reason. they'll probably at least have it w/ grey plastic instead of black. but who knows. if any1 has a black plastic tray feel free to speak up.

the 2 drives on the right are the older 360s and the one on the left is the prototype using the PC equiv of the drive being put in newer 360s now

http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/dvd/allthreedvdsxs.jpg

CocheseUGA

02-06-2007, 05:51 PM

Everyone must have missed the other thread then.

propeller_head

02-06-2007, 06:20 PM

i miss a lot of things :lol:

02-06-2007, 06:35 PM

Yeah, I asked this on the other thread but I guess no one has figured it out yet. It would be nice if there was a serial number range or part number change, or something that we could look at on the outside of the box before purchase to see if it has the new drive. Of course, as the article states, the manufacture date needs to be Nov 2006 or later. But that doesn't guarantee the new drive as not all of the ones made from that date on will have it (yet, anyway). My dilemma is that I have credit to burn at a store that is closing soon. I know they have 6 premium 360's. I can check out the manufactured dates for sure, but it would nice if there was another way to tell. Otherwise I'm actually tempted to get one from Costco for their return policy...

Punk_Raven

02-06-2007, 06:49 PM

The drive on the left says phillips. I thought they said the new one was a ben Q....

zewone

02-06-2007, 06:52 PM

The only way to find out what drive it is, is by opening it. The best chance of getting it is the(unethical) way to swap it out at Costco.
The drive on the left says phillips. I thought they said the new one was a ben Q....
The new DVD drive manufactured is by BenQ-LiteOn-Philips. They made a manufacturing deal, so they all use the same drives.

02-06-2007, 06:58 PM

The only way to find out what drive it is, is by opening it. The best chance of getting it is the(unethical) way to swap it out at Costco.

I wouldn't consider it *highly* unethical. I mean, if I bought one and it sounded like s 747 I'd use it for a few months (to make sure they have the new ones in stock then) and then return it out of frustration with the noise. I think that would be a valid return reason at Costco. From what I've heard here it seems that even with the original model some are noisier than others. It it wasn't too bad, I wouldn't bother. But if it is highly annoying, then, yeah, I would.

Another question though - even by opening it up how do you tell? Is it confirmed that the new drives have black trays like in the picture above? (Until I hear from someone with a new 360 who can describe it and how it is different from the old ones I wouldn't be too sure).

zewone

02-06-2007, 07:02 PM

o bad, I wouldn't bother. But if it is highly annoying, then, yeah, I would.

Another question though - even by opening it up how do you tell? Is it confirmed that the new drives have black trays like in the picture above? (Until I hear from someone with a new 360 who can describe it and how it is different from the old ones I wouldn't be too sure).
It more than likely, is not black, but could be like the one pictured. You can tell by the design of the DVD drive (the picture was posted right above. The one on the far left is the new BenQ, the middle is Hitachi (the worst), and the right is Samsung.

02-06-2007, 07:09 PM

It more than likely, is not black, but could be like the one pictured. You can tell by the design of the DVD drive (the picture was posted right above. The one on the far left is the new BenQ, the middle is Hitachi (the worst), and the right is Samsung.

Confused... The tray on the new one in the picture looks black to me while the older ones look gray. That seems like it would be the easiest way to tell (without pulling the drive itself out of the 360) if those are the actual devices used. But I thought that was under contention as the new drive pictured is "the prototype using the PC equiv of the drive being put in newer 360s now". Thus, it's actual appearance in production 360's could be different.

Or are you saying the shape of the tray will be the difference (ignoring color) - the new one has that nice clean curve to it without all the goofy notches the others have ;). If someone with a NEW QUIET drive can pipe up and let us know we could solve this right here and now!

zewone

02-06-2007, 07:40 PM

Confused... The tray on the new one in the picture looks black to me while the older ones look gray. That seems like it would be the easiest way to tell (without pulling the drive itself out of the 360) if those are the actual devices used. But I thought that was under contention as the new drive pictured is "the prototype using the PC equiv of the drive being put in newer 360s now". Thus, it's actual appearance in production 360's could be different.

Or are you saying the shape of the tray will be the difference (ignoring color) - the new one has that nice clean curve to it without all the goofy notches the others have ;). If someone with a NEW QUIET drive can pipe up and let us know we could solve this right here and now!
The drive may be black if they are using PC parts, like the one pictured. As production goes, it will probably be gray like the others to match the system.

The shape of the tray is what you want to pay attention to.

porieux

02-06-2007, 09:35 PM

I just close the door of my entertainment center, stops the noise very well.
Never had any overheating problems but if I do I will return to Costco.

02-06-2007, 10:52 PM

I just close the door of my entertainment center, stops the noise very well.
Never had any overheating problems but if I do I will return to Costco.

The noise will be a problem for me if it is too loud because I have an open shelving unit (built in to the wall), so no doors to close. In addition to that, I can't drown out the sound with the volume of the games because I will most likely be playing the 360 late at night and it is right underneath our bedroom ;). (and not too far from the kids rooms either). Any game that has great ambient sound will have to be played low, unfortunately. If all I hear is a bunch of system/drive noise it will be very distracting.

Anyway, I may roll the dice on the GR systems and get one if they have a post Nov 2006 one. Then I'll cross my fingers and check out that drive tray shape first thing ;). But now that I know about this, if GR does not have a post Nov 2006 system I will buy one at Costco. The thing is, their bundles have been sitting there since before Christmas, so who knows when they were made...

propeller_head

02-06-2007, 11:07 PM

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/cc/05/7124481earplugstore_1713_612879-resized200.jpg

02-07-2007, 01:29 AM

:rofl: I appreciate the joke, but the point is that I DO want to hear the sound of the game, BUT I need to keep it quiet because of the sleeping family (so if the console is too noisy it will be highly noticeable). I suppose I could get myself some wireless headphones or something ;).

sonderiaom

02-07-2007, 03:31 AM

But now that I know about this, if GR does not have a post Nov 2006 system I will buy one at Costco. The thing is, their bundles have been sitting there since before Christmas, so who knows when they were made...

I've actually noticed this when I was fixing the display a while ago. I think the newer systems, at least the ones we got for the holiday season, advertise Sonic and Gears and Newer games on the back.

Ren01

02-07-2007, 03:55 AM

Xbox 360 finally quiets down with brand new internal DVD drive

It's no secret that the Xbox 360's disc drive is hella noisy (http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/06/xbox-360-quieting-mod/), by far outstripping any incidental fan noises that might be going on inside that white box. Luckily, help is on the way -- sort of. Microsoft has started building its 360s with a new DVD drive manufactured by BenQ-LiteOn-Philips, the BenQ VAD6038, which purportedly runs "super-quiet" in comparison to the previous two drives used by MS, and even speeds up and smooths out load times. Of course, this does nothing for the 10 million plus current owners of Xbox 360s suffering from the noisy insanity of the older drives, but it does mean that as Microsoft ramps up production with this new drive, your next 360 hopefully won't fall victim to the whir.

Wait, how many times do they expect me to RMA it?

propeller_head

02-07-2007, 07:01 AM

360 times

Wolfpup

02-07-2007, 10:40 AM

Thanks for those pictures.

Hopefully someone somewhere will get a quieter one, and post what the final design looks like, and what it says different on the box, if anything.

Masterkyo

02-07-2007, 11:11 AM

Indiana

02-07-2007, 03:31 PM

It's pretty cool if XBOX 360 Premium w/ 120 gig + new dvd drive + new chips reduce overheat forr $349.99 or less , PS3 60 gig drop down $449.99 or less and wii w/ new dvd drive + w/ wii sports or zelda: TTP bundle for $229.99 or less :)

I wouldn't expect any of the above to come true for at least a year. Sure MS might drop the price but they are not going to give you a bigger drive AND drop the price.

LinkinPrime

02-07-2007, 04:28 PM

Australia will be seeing this new XBOX 360 v.2 or whatever this April according to gamersreports:

Just yesterday our inside source gave us a tip that Microsoft Australia has told a store named Myer to prepare the store for a Black 360 with a 120GB hard drive in April. Well day 2 of product knowledge today (Brisbane, Australia) featured Microsoft themselves and it's now 100% official that the Black 360, (with black controller), 120gb hard drive and HDMI (http://www.gamersreports.com/news/4966/120gig-black-xbox360-with-hdmi-official/#) is due out in Australia for $749 AU in April. They will try to push this forward to late March to deter buyers from the March 23 PS3 (http://www.gamersreports.com/news/4966/120gig-black-xbox360-with-hdmi-official/#) launch. Hopefully we see this good news sometime in Europe and USA. Should you take it as a grain of salt or not, whats your thoughts?

*Update: Apparently, our source claims that there are photos of this unit floating around. We will try to procure them.
http://www.gamersreports.com/news/4966/120gig-black-xbox360-with-hdmi-official/

mykevermin

02-07-2007, 04:30 PM

I'm such a chump that the notion of a black console is far more appealing than HDMI (and I have an HDMI compatible TV). :drool:

Sporadic

02-07-2007, 04:35 PM

Australia will be seeing this new XBOX 360 v.2 or whatever this April according to gamersreports:

http://www.gamersreports.com/news/4966/120gig-black-xbox360-with-hdmi-official/

582.587 USD

Ouch, I'll just stick with my white premium.

LinkinPrime

02-07-2007, 04:40 PM

582.587 USD

Ouch, I'll just stick with my white premium.
Thanks I was trying to figure out how much it would be in the US. I'm sure that they would probobly make it $549 here though just to make it cheaper than the PS3. The whole HDMI thing is what sells it for me. I can't really afford it but I'll find a way.

mykevermin

02-07-2007, 04:40 PM

zewone

02-07-2007, 04:53 PM

If the rumors are true, the black 360 is AU$100 more than the current premium.

Based on a cursory glance, the PS3 60GB is AU$999, while the old premium system is AU$649. Looks like we may be getting a 120GB 360 console, but not only without a price drop, but potentially a price increase instead. I dunno why MS would want to increase the price of their console when everyone seems hellbent on jumping Sony's shit for the PS3 price.
I agree, it does seem a bit odd. If or when it is released, having it come out above $500 is a bad idea. It would be the same price as a PS3, and it would not include a HD-DVD player, making it less of a deal. So unless it's $400 and the premium goes for $300 and the core is gone... that's the only way I can think of it being a smart move (even then, not very smart). Hopefully this rumor turns out false.

mykevermin

02-07-2007, 04:58 PM

Hopefully this rumor turns out false.

I wonder if they can get away with in in Australia b/c, even with the rumored price increase, it's still 25% cheaper than the 60GB PS3. So, if they kept the math the same, they'd perhaps release it here at $450, which is still easier to swallow. It's really, if nothing else, showing the value of the PS3 as a console, to me anyway (but let's not discuss that here, 'kay?).

Ultimately, I'd be very surprised if MS increased the price here at all - the available games, coupled with the price of the console, is helping it keep its sales momentum. Even such a fucking cool high-end 360 console would be a stumbling block, if it came with a price increase.

propeller_head

02-07-2007, 06:58 PM

anybody else think this Black HDMI 120GB 360 w/ price increase is an early April fools joke?

i dont see them changing the color. HDMI maybe. 120GB def. price increase, hardly. color change = wtf?

i see 65nm 360 w/ 120GB and maybe HDMI for same price as current system

current system drops 100 bucks

core drops 50-75 or else is eliminiated.

note: i am psychic and have a crystal ball

mykevermin

02-07-2007, 07:13 PM

April Fool's jokes are best told on April Fool's Day.

OGHowie

02-07-2007, 07:57 PM

If they're gonna launch anywhere it wouldn't be Australia. Sounds like the same rumors over and over again.

propeller_head

02-08-2007, 03:15 AM

April Fool's jokes are best told on April Fool's Day.

early April fools joke. read, it says comes out in April. :dunce:

Punk_Raven

02-08-2007, 07:22 AM

That's likely just a rumor.

Javery

02-08-2007, 11:33 AM

From engadget:

Black Xbox 360 with 120GB HDD and HDMI due for April?

Look, we can't really be bothered to confirm or deny any of the rumors flying around here, we're just in this for the cute kangaroo pics. But digging a little deeper, we discover a word from GamersReports that they've got an "inside source" saying Microsoft Australia tipped off retail store Myer about a Black Xbox 360 (http://www.engadget.com/tag/Xbox360) with a 120GB hard drive a couple of days ago. Now apparently more sources have confirmed the reports, even tossing HDMI into the mix (making it into a sort of black Zephyr (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/the-second-xbox-360-revealed-codename-zephyr/)), along with a $749 AU (about $584) pricetag and a supposed April launch date. The sources even say that Microsoft is hoping to beat projections and launch in March to disrupt Sony's March 23rd PS3 launch (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/ps3-hits-europe-march-23-840-60gb-only/). GamersReports also claims that there are now pics of the Black 360 floating around on the internets, so we'll keep an eye out for those, and until we spot a few kangaroos slipping Premium Black packages into their pouches along with an extra controller and a copy of Rainbow Six, that's about all the cred we're going to give this rumor for now.

mykevermin

02-08-2007, 11:36 AM

Man...I read that somewhere before...where the hell was it at?

;)

propeller_head

02-08-2007, 11:38 AM

just a little FYI 360s have higher MSRPs in Au.

if this black 360 did actually exist and wasnt just some mumbo-jumbo rumour

the U.S. price would be roughly $450

mykevermin

02-08-2007, 11:42 AM

just a little FYI 360s have higher MSRPs in Au.

if this black 360 did actually exist and wasnt just some mumbo-jumbo rumour

the U.S. price would be roughly $450

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2645376&postcount=403

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2645395&postcount=405

Thanks for reading.

propeller_head

02-08-2007, 02:11 PM

uh, in neither of those posts do you interpret what a U.S. price would be.

Thanks for reading.

sonderiaom

02-08-2007, 02:17 PM

uh, in neither of those posts do you interpret what a U.S. price would be.

Thanks for reading.
How does
582.587 USD

Ouch, I'll just stick with my white premium.
Not answer the interpretation of the US price?

mykevermin

02-08-2007, 02:19 PM

:rofl:

Moreover, you point out that the AU$ price is higher than in the US, yet that's precisely what's discussed above. Please keep your retorts to when you're right about something.

Purkeynator

02-08-2007, 03:05 PM

I am curious, if this is true if it would have the rumored black premium controller with the improved D-pad, rubberized grips, and red lighting?

mykevermin

02-08-2007, 03:58 PM

I don't know about all that, but seeing as how Microsoft was willing to own up to their mistakes with that Lincoln Continental they called the Xbox Controller, it would be nice to see a slight revision of the 360 one. Other than the d-pad (which is bad, but that's been exaggerated), I think it's a great controller.

Punk_Raven

02-08-2007, 04:04 PM

I'm not one to belive engadget so quickly....they reported Zephyr, have referenced it many times in other articles, and it has neer been confirmed by Microsoft. I dunno man. Guess I'll have to save my money until this is either confirmed or denied.

propeller_head

02-08-2007, 10:48 PM

How does
Not answer the interpretation of the US price?

because as i said, consoles cost more in Au, as they do in the U.K. and switzerland and many many other places.

for ex. a regular 360 in Au right now is roughly $590 USD and a core is roughly $480 USD.

interpreting the price takes into account the regional inflation.

whic his why it wouldnt be $582 USD. but roughly $450. if this rumor were actually true

mykevermin

02-08-2007, 10:58 PM

http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/hardware/x/xbox360prosystem/

RRP AU$649.95

http://www.xbox.com/en-AU/hardware/x/xbox360coresystem/

RRP AU$499.95

Rumored RRP for the black/120GB HD/HDMI-enabled console: AU$749.95

Why don't you find a currency converter and get back to me with the USD values of those, darlin'?

propeller_head

02-09-2007, 12:17 AM

$649 = $508 USD

$499 = $390 USD

400/508 = .78

300/390 = .77

749 = $584 USD

584 * .775 = $452.6 USD

that work for you?

02-10-2007, 08:44 AM

IGN finally picked up this story again. Nothing really new, but the more I hear this the more I think it might actually happen:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/763/763427p1.html

I'll be pissed beyond belief if I buy an August/Sept 2006 360 with a noisy drive and then they come out with this thing for $450. I've checked at several stores and none of them have anything from Nov or beyond that *might* even have the possibility of the quieter DVD drive (let alone this new model), in any case.

My GR store is closing in early March and I really wanted to burn the rest of my credit on a 360 and some accessories (BTW, all the 360's there are *really* old, some even going back to Dec. 2005). Even if I hold off on the system, though, there's really no point buying accessories either. Will it use the same controllers ('cause I could buy one of those there)? I don't think anyone knows of course. Don't need a HD of course. Media remote? Again, who knows... If ONLY they kept that damn store open till the Summer :lol:.

My other option is to load up on games with the credit. But if I'm waiting 2+ months to buy the system anyway (and if this new model does come out how hard will THAT be to get at first - I thought I was done with 'launches' for a while :roll:) I don't see the point of buying full-priced games right now. Arggh.... I really wanted to get a 360 to start that achievements reward thing they have running next week. But, really, I need to chill out on that because the "rewards" are really pretty minor for the 0-4999 level. So I shouldn't base anything on that.

Man, they are making all of this hard on me ;).

Chacrana

02-10-2007, 12:08 PM

$649 = $508 USD

$499 = $390 USD

400/508 = .78

300/390 = .77

749 = $584 USD

584 * .775 = $452.6 USD

that work for you?

Australia always has higher prices on games... significantly higher, actually... so I'd expect the HDMI-capable 360 to be $400 when it inevitably comes out here.

Really hope that April is the month for this in the US since I really wanna swap out my 360 as soon as I can.

propeller_head

02-10-2007, 05:23 PM

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7018/black_xbox_360_spotted_at_taipei_game_show/index.html

http://images.tweaktown.com/imagebank/blackxbox360tpe_01l.jpg
http://images.tweaktown.com/imagebank/blackxbox360tpe_02l.jpg
http://images.tweaktown.com/imagebank/blackxbox360tpe_03l.jpg

wow,...

its actually real. its really real! really!

Brian9824

02-10-2007, 05:29 PM

Thats a dev model. There is a sticker on it saying reviewer kit and the manufacturer date is 9/14/2005

propeller_head

02-10-2007, 05:44 PM

damnit!

edit: wait, dont the dev kits have big gray HDDs?

http://forzamotorsport.net/NR/rdonlyres/95944329-22B5-4D83-8658-4D357C6EB3E1/7459/triple2.jpg

Sporadic

02-10-2007, 06:05 PM

Notice how it says "reviewer unit" on the back?

propeller_head

02-10-2007, 06:38 PM

its a conspiracy!

I Can't Stand It I Know You Planned It
I'm Gonna Set It Straight, This Watergate
I Can't Stand Rocking When I'm In Here
Because Your Crystal Ball Ain't So Crystal Clear
So While You Sit Back and Wonder Why
I Got This Fucking Thorn In My Side
Oh My, It's A Mirage
I'm Tellin' Y'all It's Sabotage

So Listen Up 'Cause You Can't Say Nothin'
You'll Shut Me Down With A Push Of Your Button?
But Yo I'm Out And I'm Gone
I'll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On

'Cause What You See You Might Not Get
And We Can Bet So Don't You Get Souped Yet
You're Scheming On A Thing That's A Mirage
I'm Trying To Tell You Now It's Sabotage

:lol:

slickkill77

02-10-2007, 06:40 PM

Those are dev units/reviewer units.

02-11-2007, 06:55 AM

OK, I was trolling through the xbox.com forums to see what people are saying about these various revisions... Of course, they don't know any more than we do.

But here's a recent post. I assume this guy is just trying to get attention (though it seems he is being ignored). But, really, what is the fucking point of this? I just don't get it:

ITS CONFIRMED....(I will try to go over my buddies house to get some pics)....he sent in his xbox360 since it was always freezing up and they sent him a black xbox360...YES YOU HEARD RIGHT "BLACK".

It has a newer version dashboard we compared everything threw the phone....his version was v.0.2......

We have 4 options in dashboard he has 6-8 if i remember correctly.

in display settings for HDTV he has 5 options....

480p...720p...1080i....1080h...1080p

I have never heard of 1080h if anybody knows anything please post...

He said it seems faster then the older one he sent back so maybe they upgraded the chip...or maybe its the new dashboard that helped.

Im waiting for confirmation from him to check if it has HDMI input in the back he couldnt check since he was playing.

forum link:
http://forums.xbox.com/10198260/ShowPost.aspx

Other than that, all speculation... But even if the revision means the 65 nm CPU (cooler) and the BenQ drive (quieter/faster) I'd prefer to wait to buy my 360. I wish they'd announce one of these things sooner or later - but of course they won't until the very last minute so they can sell as many current revs as they can. This is the *only* reason why I'd put any credence into some of these rumors. They are going to have to get as close to release as possible without mentioning it and chances are it WILL leak out in a manner such as the report of the Australian retailer expecting the newer model. I'm not saying that one is true, but that's probably the way we'll first find out about it...

sallyballs

02-11-2007, 10:04 AM

1080h? WTF? I'm no videophile, but I know what the "i" and "p" stand for. What the hell is "h"?

Trakan

02-11-2007, 12:39 PM

Until pics are posted, he's a liar.

zewone

02-11-2007, 03:17 PM

Put it in H! (http://putitinh.ytmnd.com/)

02-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Until pics are posted, he's a liar.

Yeah, he's claiming today he will go and see it. I think this would be pretty damn big news and he'd have already been over there and posted pics. But we shall see - at least he came back and said something, so he's either telling the truth (0.0001% chance) or just running with his (pointless) fabricated story.

As for 1080h - you know, that's the super HD 1080! :lol:

Brian9824

02-11-2007, 07:32 PM

And microsoft would send newer units out to people who had theirs break instead of their huge stock of older systems why?

Punk_Raven

02-11-2007, 09:20 PM

That story is dumb for two reasons.

1. The reason posted above.

2. A good amount of Xbox 360 owners are videophiles. The rest will be when they get their HDTVs. They know about what format is what..so there is no use trying to lie to them. They are not Kevin who sits next to you on the bus. These people know what they are doing.

02-11-2007, 09:22 PM

And microsoft would send newer units out to people who had theirs break instead of their huge stock of older systems why?

Well, yeah, they must have piles of refurbs to send out to people for LONG after any new system comes out (if it does). So this seems unlikely. Unless it was a mistake, or they chose this dweeb to leak the entire thing to the public ;). Or he's just making shit up.

Latest update - he's trying to get off work to go see this thing :roll:.

HDMI output in rear confirmed....wooohoooo!!!....I want one

Theres also a pc input look alike on the side...??

Pictures comingvery very soon trying to get off work early to go get some.

It is funny his comments are getting NO repsonses from anyone there - not even putting him down, or saying "Yea, right" or anything. Kind of amusing.

propeller_head

02-11-2007, 09:40 PM

h stands for high. which is what the guy who wrote that was im guessing. cloud 9 baby! :lol:

sallyballs

02-12-2007, 10:36 AM

Put it in H! (http://putitinh.ytmnd.com/)

:hot: :rofl:

Random stuff like that is why I love CAG.

02-12-2007, 03:48 PM

The guy hasn't come back with the goods yet, so (no surprise) I call BS. Either that or Microsoft got to him first ;).

Wolfpup

02-12-2007, 05:05 PM

If you're going to randomly make something up, it might be a little more believable if you don't misspell everything and make up terms like 1080h :D

Though I probably shouldn't point that out, since it's nice to be able to discredit stuff fast :D

BackInBlack

02-14-2007, 11:18 PM

I came across this

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802606

Another good indication 360 will have HDMI?

Thoughts?

02-15-2007, 03:03 AM

Until pics are posted, he's a liar.

He got some very *minor* criticism (more minor than he deserved) and then his latest post is:

You know what I dont even know why i bother.....their will be no pics or any other info on this ...sorry for the guys that really were waiting for this but im not going to post about this anymore cause of some losers

Oh, OK, great, he's playing the "I'm taking my ball and going home" card because people were mean to him. Wonderful. What a jackass, whether it is true or not - I'm not sure which is worse, actually ;).

In other news, I bought a 360 today at Costco because they were $25 off. I got home and opened it and realized after I saw the manufactured date was fucking June 2006 that it was the old-style box (with the launch games pictured on it)! Dammit! I looked at them and they were the newer ones (well, most, anyway) but I must have grabbed the only old one out of the palette. Either that or I got one someone else switched out and returned (the plastic was part way open under the outer box). Now I need to return that and see if I can get a newer one (want the BenQ drive at least). If the black 360 turns out to be true I'm going to be seriously pissed that this jackass got his feelings hurt and wouldn't post the damn pictures (cause then I'd wait). But most likely he is just BSing. It would have been better if he had just disappeared though instead of weaseling out of it.

daphatty

02-15-2007, 03:05 AM

I came across this

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802606

Another good indication 360 will have HDMI?

Thoughts?

I wouldn't call that an indication that the 360 is getting HDMI at all. This link merely contains some text stating the 360 is supported on an HDMI switch box. It is also possible the switch box could have component inputs which implies Xbox 360 compatibility. Unfortunately, the lack of a product photo removes our ability to prove either case.

propeller_head

03-07-2007, 07:17 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/the-second-xbox-360-revealed-codename-zephyr/

The second Xbox 360 revealed: codename Zephyr

Posted Jan 5th 2007

Ever wonder why Microsoft hasn't released an HDMI cable (http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/15/wheres-the-xbox-360-hdmi-cable/) for the Xbox 360 (http://www.engadget.com/tag/xbox360), or whether the AV port was really capable of digital out? Well, here's your answer: we landed pictures of what appears to be the second Xbox 360 -- the Xbox 360 v2, if you will -- codenamed Zephyr. (The original Xbox 360, if you recall, was codenamed Xenon (http://www.engadget.com/2004/06/05/the-xbox-xenon/).) The long rumored about and awaited update to the console won't just feature a new, cooler 65nm processor, it's also finally added an HDMI port (http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/08/hdmi-port-coming-to-the-xbox-360/) for full digital 1080p pleasure, as well as a 120GB drive, just what the doctor ordered. The 120GB drive may or may not come bundled with the kit, we don't yet know, just as we also don't yet know how much a Zephyr 360 is going to run (we imagine it'll go for the same price as currently so they can keep up a little on their expanding margin). But our very kind Xbox insider seemed happy to let us know we'd be able to get them "soon."
still no indication of price though

getmyrunon

03-07-2007, 07:56 PM

gee, that's not a 2 month old article or anything

propeller_head

03-07-2007, 08:52 PM

gee, that's not a 2 month old article or anything :lol: doh

i just saw it at gametab.com (http://www.gametab.com) and figured it was new.

my bad

propeller_head

03-13-2007, 06:04 AM

http://www.xboxic.com/news/2565

German site Xbox-Archiv, known to be quite reliable, stated that the Core pack will be canceled, the Premium will drop to 299 euro, the black HDMI-supporting 360 will be launched this May for 350~450 euro, and finally Halo 3 will hit stores right before Christmas 2007.
so if the current price ratio carries over that's basically in USD

Premium $299
HDMI 120GB $399ish

Punk_Raven

03-13-2007, 07:19 AM

That would suck. I just got my 360 and it's an older model :(

Guess i'd just spend another 300 on a new prem.

SaMiDaDrAgOn

03-13-2007, 09:10 AM

That would suck. I just got my 360 and it's an older model :(

Guess i'd just spend another 300 on a new prem.

Same here, just got mine.

guyver2077

03-13-2007, 09:25 AM

hold up.. non removable 120gb?? wtf how do i transfer my shit then

Wolfpup

03-13-2007, 10:36 AM

hold up.. non removable 120gb?? wtf how do i transfer my shit then

It says that should just read "hard disk".

I'm hoping it's more of a serious redesign than just changing the color or adding an HDMI port.

SaMiDaDrAgOn

03-13-2007, 01:27 PM

It says that should just read "hard disk".

I'm hoping it's more of a serious redesign than just changing the color or adding an HDMI port.

Someone commented on it below, something to with the German translation, but it probably is removable.

Anyways, let's look at things realistically. The 360 hasn't even hit the 2 yr mark. It's unlikely they are going to give a price drop. With the recent (few months) release of the HD-DVD drive as an add-on, a 120GB HD to come bundled is also unlikely IMO. HDMI will be added, & a cooler chip, for $400, that's plausible, I don't see it any other way.

Scobie

03-13-2007, 07:03 PM

The tech questions are interesting, but what I wanna know is how in the hell Wubb got in the xbox-scene video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcACuy4x8nA

propeller_head

03-21-2007, 04:50 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/xbox-360-elite-new-black-limited-edition-xbox-with-hdmi-and-120gb-drive/

Confirmed.

will have 120GB Hard Drive, HDMI, and be colored space black as well as the controllers.

cost will be $479 until about July when it should be re-released as the Premium, in white for $400.

it's confirmed to run cooler, but no confirmation as to if it has 65nm

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/game-mag-says-black-xbox-360-is-coming-245472.php
http://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/03/blackxbox1.jpghttp://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/03/blackxbox2.jpg