Do you think the ds is better than the psp? [Mobile/Archive]

coolcolt

01-08-2007, 08:38 PM

2 years ago I was thinking about getting a psp.I told my dad that the ds sucks and I laughed at my friend steven when he told me that he traded in his psp for a ds.A few months later I had all the money I needed in order to get the psp than I took a look at all the great games coming out for the ds like metroid prime hunters,Elite Beat Agents ,Mario Kart and other great games. I went to gamestop and played the ds.It was my first time ever playing the ds and I still love it. So I used my ps2 store credit and psp money to buy a ds.I want to hear from you ds owners do you think the ds is better than the psp?

Puffa469

01-08-2007, 08:52 PM

For gaming, yes.

PSP is a kickass movie player tho.

rodeojones903

01-08-2007, 08:58 PM

naes

01-08-2007, 10:54 PM

Since I'm a cheapass and waiting for a price drop on consoles, I have both and I'm trying to get games for both. Almost done with PSP (only 2 more that interest me, only have 5... meh) but my DS wants keep going up (I have 15, not a lot compared to most people here)... So I'd say I think the DS is better. Besides, if I want to listen to music, I'd use my iPod Nano. Superior sound quality :D.

But... yeah... you should have both. Especially if you don't have a job. I'm a minor and mooch of my parents. They're more gullable with cheaper games :D

Swingman

01-08-2007, 11:00 PM

PSP can definitely show better graphics but it's struggling to provide a gaming library that comes close to matching the DS IMO.

If you look through history, then you'll notice the successful consoles / handhelds are the ones that have the best games. You can even look at the PC vs Mac battle and it started out with who had the better software.

SubjectNameHere

01-08-2007, 11:27 PM

They're like comparing sour apples and oranges. PSP is cool and (IMO) if it was slightly smaller but had the same screen size, ditched UMD for HDD, and somehow squeezed a few more hours of battery life into it, it'd be fantastic.

My DS game collection is over 50 and there isn't a single game I haven't liked. My PSP game collection is around 30 and, of those, maybe 4 were fun to me and warranted play-through.

As far as movie players go, it's pretty nice but again could learn from the iPod. 80GB iPod with video out to TV is better even with the smaller screen because you can hold at least 20x the video and audio with a ton more battery life.

daroga

01-09-2007, 12:14 AM

PSP seems like an alright "jack of all trades" device. But note that such a jack is a master of nothing.

The DS masters games, not because the system hardware is so fantastic, but thesoftware support from Nintendo and others is pretty remarkable, especially for a handheld.

It may be more cumbersome, but I'd rather have a dedicated gaming machine, a dedicated music machine, a dedicated cell phone, etc., because each device, when tailor-made for one purpose, gets it right. And I think that's where Sony went wrong with the PSP, it spread itself too thin and ended having to compete on multiple fronts (with the iPods, iRivers, and any other multimedia device out there as well as with Nintendo and their games) rather than just being able to focus on dominating one market. If all the time and attention that went into making the PSP a great movie player and patching its blantant decutiry holes had gone into marketing and making the system a viable game platform, it would probably be remarkable.

This is the DS forum so you'll get a lot of pro-DS remarks. Even so, anyone who says the game library of the PSP is stronger than that of the DS is delusional. Maybe your gaming itch is better scratched by software on the PSP, and that's fantastic, but the support for the DS from 1st and 3rd parties alike blows me away (especially since I was a DS nay-sayer for a long time--now it's possibly my favorite gaming platform, ever).

As rodeojones said above, if you want the full spectrum in handheld gaming, having both is the way to go. If you're limited though, I truly believe that the DS is the best bang for the buck. To each his own, however.

SubjectNameHere

01-09-2007, 12:35 AM

It may be more cumbersome, but I'd rather have a dedicated gaming machine, a dedicated music machine, a dedicated cell phone, etc., because each device, when tailor-made for one purpose, gets it right.

Amen brutha..

If you're limited though, I truly believe that the DS is the best bang for the buck.

Exactly. I'm pro-PSP and pro-DS. They aren't really competing in my eyes, much like the Wii and PS3 aren't. In both cases though, think of what you get for your money.

PSP + top 5 games = $450
NDS + top 5 games = $250

PS3 + top 2 games = $840
Wii + top 2 games = $350

I'm not even going to go into head-to-head comparisons on fun vs graphics and all that, but many people consider the games for the Nintendo consoles to be far superior in gameplay and "fun factor."

furyk

01-09-2007, 12:35 AM

Wow, you'd think that the people in the PSP forums constantly saying DS > PSP would show up here.

I have both a PSP and a DS. While I feel a PSP is a compitent platform, the DS is like the Babe Ruth of handheld gaming. I sincerely feel it has a shot to pass the original Game Boy as the greatest handheld of all time.

SubjectNameHere

01-09-2007, 12:42 AM

The PSP is a fun little system. It just suffers from poor battery life, long load times, and mediocre software support. Personally I can't stand the d-pad or analog stick on it, but it is what it is.

FlipSide

01-09-2007, 12:53 AM

The PSP is a fun little system. It just suffers from poor battery life, long load times, and mediocre software support. Personally I can't stand the d-pad or analog stick on it, but it is what it is.

That about sums it up. I had really high hopes for the PSP. I got one even before I got a DS. I wanted it to be "Playstation Portable" but it never got to live up to that name... you guys know what I mean.

dmaul1114

01-09-2007, 01:29 AM

It has a ton more games I want to play, better battery life, and a d-pad that doesn't suck donkey balls, so yes I like it better.

The PSP is a nice multimedia device though. Just not a very good gaming machine (at least for my tastes).

organicow

01-09-2007, 01:41 AM

I'm going to say this as best I can without sailing off into forbidden waters: if you use the PSP strictly as intended by Sony, it really suffers from all the drawbacks that people above have pointed out.

But.......

If you are into all the homebrew, emulation, hacks, etc that are floating around out there...it can be a great little toy. Especially now that people are releasing custom firmwares, and Sony themselves are releasing PS1 games for download to the PSP.

Basically, if you just want simple high quality gaming, the DS is for you. But if you want to take the time to get a little crazy with the PSP, it can really be an ass kicker!

Me personally...I have both and love them just the same!! ;)

SubjectNameHere

01-09-2007, 01:48 AM

If I could do the custom firmware thing and rip my 200 PSX games for PSP play, I'd be alllll over it. Since I can't, and since Sony has dedicated itself to preventing homebrew and emu play, I'm stuck with the games released for it.

jkam

01-09-2007, 01:52 AM

I own both. They are both good for different reasons. The PSP isn't as bad as most people make it out to be but I do admit the build seems a little bit off to me for some reason. Some games play remarkably well while others truly suffer. Load times are good on some of the newer games you just need to do your research. Syphon Filter Dark Mirror was a masterpiece and it would hold up even on the PS2. It seems like every time I think about selling my 2nd PSP a game comes out that holds my interest...currently Star Wars Lethal Alliance. I don't care much for any of the other features the PSP has to offer but they work ok.

Now onto the DS. It started off kind of in an odd place but I realized the other day when I cracked open my DS Lite that it is basically the little compact handheld system that I had dreamed up ever since the first Gameboy was released. I didn't imagine the 2 screens but everything else is just so right with the system. The backlight, the fold up design, the looks, and the controls. The game library is growing and growing in both standard and unique ways all the time. Dragon Quest IX was pretty big IMO.

I like both but if I really had to choose it would be the DS.

davidjinfla

01-09-2007, 05:25 AM

what type of games I think puzzle wise ds may have a slight edge, sports games goes to the psp, Online is maybe slightly to the psp for having more selection, Rpg ds hands down , Racing games psp, fighting games psp,
but by far the best category for the ds is original product which is why the ds delights and surprises many and the psp gets labeled a port machine.

CouRageouS

01-09-2007, 05:31 AM

I love my DS, I've bought 3 so far. The original, then the Lite (original went to my bro), and another Lite for my sis this past Christmas. DSes all around. I have recently found myself wanting a PSP. Might be my love for 'gadgets' but the recent PSP GPS and PS1 business make me really want to snag a white one and get that mounting thing for my car.

Wolfpup

01-09-2007, 04:10 PM

I personally game on my PSP way more than I do on my DS. My PSP goes with me everywhere because I use it for MP3s, movies, and games. I love having it for my breaks between classes. That said I think everyone who is interested in handheld gaming should have a DS and a PSP.

I totally agree. They're both AMAZING systems and gamers should own both.

I have absolutely zero interest in using the PSP for anything but games, but in terms of hardware, the PSP obviously brings a lot more to the table, while the DS's touch screen is just a gimick for the kinds of games I want to play. But that's a moot point, as they're both must-haves for me because of their great libraries.

The PSP is a fun little system. It just suffers from poor battery life, long load times, and mediocre software support. Personally I can't stand the d-pad or analog stick on it, but it is what it is.

Spoken like someone who's never owned a PSP, or has no clue what games to buy.

I've never had my PSP die on me in close to two years of owning it (and of course the battery probably has less than half the capacity it started with). Ditto for the DS.
I've never played a PSP game with bad load times (only good game I've heard of with bad load times was Midnight Club 3, and it was first gen).
And while I don't think the PSP's pad is as good as a PS1/PS2/PS3, it's inarguably either the best or second best pad on a portable ever (either ahead of or behind the DS, depending on personal preference).

Bottom line is they are BOTH great systems with large, diverse libraries.

sblymnlcrymnl

01-09-2007, 04:17 PM

Yes.

uberzone

01-09-2007, 06:12 PM

Portable Playstation Games > *

DS is great too, but playing Soul Reaver, Silent Hill and Castlevania SotN portable is made of teh w1ns.

FriskyTanuki

01-09-2007, 06:52 PM

Wolfpup

01-10-2007, 11:40 AM

I wonder what the response will be for this thread in the DS forum. :-k

There's really one difference for me that made me get a PSP over the DS right now. Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops with the awesome MGO on the go was a no-brainer of a choice. Both machines are fine handhelds with good libraries and I'd definitely be happy with both. I'm just waiting for Zelda to show up before the year is out.

If you like stealth games, check out Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror. I liked it more than Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.

I'm going to rent Portable Ops when I get the chance, but I HATED MGS3, so I don't think I'll buy it without trying first, even once it becomes a Greatest Hit.

furyk

01-10-2007, 01:48 PM

Portable Playstation Games > *

DS is great too, but playing Soul Reaver, Silent Hill and Castlevania SotN portable is made of teh w1ns.

Three things:

1. None of those titles have been announced. SOTN might end up being a 360 exclusive considering how hard Microsoft is ramming it down our gullets.

2. You still need a PS3 to download any PS1 games at the moment.

3. Back-ups, ISOs, and ROMs are all illegal which is obviously how you're playing them. Go back to GameFAQs.

shipwreck

01-10-2007, 01:55 PM

For me the PSP and the DS are very even. Both systems have about the same number of games that I want to play (if you don't count GBA games for the DS). I think I've honestly spent the same amount of time playing on both systems, it just depends on what game I'm currently playing.

I just finished up LocoRoco and now I'm playing Contact on the DS. Both systems have their strengths and plenty of quality titles to keep me busy.

-Never4ever-

01-10-2007, 02:05 PM

I prefer to take my DS with me on short, insignificant trips (like the morning commute), likewise I take my PSP with me for those really long trips (like road trips).

uberzone

01-10-2007, 04:57 PM

Three things:

1. None of those titles have been announced. SOTN might end up being a 360 exclusive considering how hard Microsoft is ramming it down our gullets.

2. You still need a PS3 to download any PS1 games at the moment.

3. Back-ups, ISOs, and ROMs are all illegal which is obviously how you're playing them. Go back to GameFAQs.

The legitimacy of how I'm playing these games isn't in question here, it's how fun one system is over the other. My points are valid and my opinion was expressed just like yours is.

So in response, three things:

1.) You're a hypocrite, as I'm sure you have at least one item on your computer right now that has its legitimacy in question. (Porn, mp3's whatever)

2.) You passing judgement on me is not only irrelevant, but completely unprovoked.

3.) I just transferred Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy VII to my PSP and it's grrrreat.

In closing I would like to say that I'm enjoying my PSP even more now with this new "feature" and think it is now a great portable system. However, the DS also has games that are just as good if not better than what's on the PSP. Having both systems would be the suggestion I would give to anyone.

One last bullet point, I don't even have an account on Gamefaqs.

SubjectNameHere

01-10-2007, 05:38 PM

Spoken like someone who's never owned a PSP, or has no clue what games to buy.

I've never had my PSP die on me in close to two years of owning it (and of course the battery probably has less than half the capacity it started with). Ditto for the DS.
I've never played a PSP game with bad load times (only good game I've heard of with bad load times was Midnight Club 3, and it was first gen).
And while I don't think the PSP's pad is as good as a PS1/PS2/PS3, it's inarguably either the best or second best pad on a portable ever (either ahead of or behind the DS, depending on personal preference).

I don't take offense to that personally, but I wanted to respond.

As far as battery life goes, I'm on my second battery because the first wouldn't hold a charge longer than 45 minutes. This one lasts a few hours but it's tough not to want what you get with the DS.

First of all, a fairly consistent look at loading times shows that the average time from system boot to game start on PSP is 103.4 seconds. The average for DS is 24.5 seconds. It's not the PSP's fault per se, but the software and the medium.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6159832/p-2.html

I do own two PSPs actually. I don't use it for the multimedia aspect; I use it for the 42 games I have for it. I agree that the d-pad is the second or maybe the overall best on any handheld, but the analog pad sticks and has a narrow range of response. Playing Tekken using the d-pad hurt quite a bit after a while. I wasn't grinding my thumb into it or going crazy (aside from King multi-throws) and it just made my thumb sore after 20 minutes or so. I don't know why, but the DS / GBA SP d-pads don't do that to me (or any of the dozen or so people I know who also have DS and PSP.)

I'm not anti-PSP. I'd love for it to take off and make developers want to develop better than average games for it.

furyk

01-10-2007, 06:02 PM

The legitimacy of how I'm playing these games isn't in question here, it's how fun one system is over the other. My points are valid and my opinion was expressed just like yours is.

So in response, three things:

1.) You're a hypocrite, as I'm sure you have at least one item on your computer right now that has its legitimacy in question. (Porn, mp3's whatever)

2.) You passing judgement on me is not only irrelevant, but completely unprovoked.

3.) I just transferred Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy VII to my PSP and it's grrrreat.

In closing I would like to say that I'm enjoying my PSP even more now with this new "feature" and think it is now a great portable system. However, the DS also has games that are just as good if not better than what's on the PSP. Having both systems would be the suggestion I would give to anyone.

One last bullet point, I don't even have an account on Gamefaqs.

The greyest thing I do is download unliscenced fansubs (deleting them after they're liscenced). I have no ROMs, porn, or music on my computer that I don't own. I don't expect you to believe me, but I practice what I preach.

The reason why I bring it up is because homebrew isn't a feature of either system despite the fact you can pretty easily get it on either system. When comparing two systems on their features and games, it isn't a valid point to say "well I think the DS is better because my system is flashed and has 200 DS games on it". Besides, it's a long running tradition on Cheapassgamer that bootlegs, hacked hardware, or other legally grey areas of gaming are highly frowned upon. I don't think it's valid to say "well I can download PS1 games for free" as a feature that puts the PSP over the DS.

Ultimately, I don't care if you play back-ups or not. That's your decision. I personally think copyright law is shit, but I don't make the laws. I just get annoyed when it enters into a debate as a valid point when one has to break the law to access it.

Pijaibros

01-10-2007, 06:09 PM

If they would redesign the PSP, I would buy one.

They have enough games that I can justify getting one, but I don't want something I'm going to have to baby.

It also doesn't fit in my pocket.

I do kinda want one though.

Blind the Thief

01-10-2007, 07:27 PM

If you like stealth games, check out Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror. I liked it more than Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.

I'm going to rent Portable Ops when I get the chance, but I HATED MGS3, so I don't think I'll buy it without trying first, even once it becomes a Greatest Hit.

Yeah, if you didn't like MGS3, I don't see you liking Portable Ops either. Hell, the camera even irritated ME in that one, since you have to stop moving to take your thumb off the analog nub and use the D-pad for the camera. Aslo, pretty much the only reason to play Portable Ops is to get a bit more story, so if anyone that hasn't played it either hates the MGS cannon or hasn't played the other games, the story's not going to do much for you. Still, it was impressive to see that running on a handheld...

Anyway, I own both systems, and I can say with absolute certainty that I prefer DS. In fact, I was sad Portable Ops was on PSP, because I honestly kind of hate PSP. Aside from the obvious "it's trying to do too many things, and the games suffer" thing, I think the analog nub and D-pad are both very uncomfortable. I hate the short battery life compared to...well, any portable device I've owned before it, and the disc medium creates load times, a big no-no for portable gaming. Finally, sunlight absolutely kills visibility on the screen, so taking it with you on a long trip is a bad idea. In fact, the only positive things I can say about the PSP are 1) the screen is very nice, as long as you don't mind finger prints, and 2) it makes a very nice bookend for all the DS games on my shelf.

I had complaints about the DS as well (in particular, the weight and D-pad, as well as that sunlight thing), but the DS Lite seems to have fixed both of those. It's all around a great machine, with tons of fantastic games. I'm sure I'll buy a few more PSP games over its lifespan, but the bulk of my portable gaming will be going to DS; in fact, it's one of the few portable gaming machines that could legitimately challenge console games for my time at home.

FriskyTanuki

01-10-2007, 08:11 PM

If you like stealth games, check out Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror. I liked it more than Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.

I'm going to rent Portable Ops when I get the chance, but I HATED MGS3, so I don't think I'll buy it without trying first, even once it becomes a Greatest Hit.
I don't care for the Syphon Filter series, so DM isn't in my plans for future PSP games to purchase.

Yeah, if you didn't like MGS3, I don't see you liking Portable Ops either. Hell, the camera even irritated ME in that one, since you have to stop moving to take your thumb off the analog nub and use the D-pad for the camera. Aslo, pretty much the only reason to play Portable Ops is to get a bit more story, so if anyone that hasn't played it either hates the MGS cannon or hasn't played the other games, the story's not going to do much for you. Still, it was impressive to see that running on a handheld...

Anyway, I own both systems, and I can say with absolute certainty that I prefer DS. In fact, I was sad Portable Ops was on PSP, because I honestly kind of hate PSP. Aside from the obvious "it's trying to do too many things, and the games suffer" thing, I think the analog nub and D-pad are both very uncomfortable. I hate the short battery life compared to...well, any portable device I've owned before it, and the disc medium creates load times, a big no-no for portable gaming. Finally, sunlight absolutely kills visibility on the screen, so taking it with you on a long trip is a bad idea. In fact, the only positive things I can say about the PSP are 1) the screen is very nice, as long as you don't mind finger prints, and 2) it makes a very nice bookend for all the DS games on my shelf.
I have to disagree about MPO being a bad game that's only worth playing for the story. The camera manageable when you use the L button to recenter it behind you while moving with the nub. It does get a little awkward in tight spots, but that plagues any game with a 3D camera. MGO is excellent, just as it was on the PS2 in Subsistence. The missions are nicely varied and simplified for the portable medium. It's a great use of pretty much all of the system's features. Then again, maybe it's because I'm used to the PSP already that I like the game.

PenguinMaster

01-10-2007, 08:22 PM

I don't care for the Syphon Filter series, so DM isn't in my plans for future PSP games to purchase.

Dark Mirror is a complete redesign of the Syphon Filter games. It is a cover-based shooter with first-person shooter controls, as oppose to a Lock-On shooter like the other 4 SF games. It;s also superior to all of the other Syphon Filter games (especially Omega Strain, that game was pure crap).

To answer the OPs question: I used to have a DS but got bored of it, the touch screen seemed rather gimmicky to me. I had around 15 games, but the only one that I played consistently was Kirby Canvas Curse. Since I sold the system the only games that have come out that I'm interested in have been New Super Mario Bros. and Yoshi's Island DS, while I expect both to be great, 2 games isn't enough to warrant an $80+ purchase. I got a PSP a little over a month ago and I've liked quite a few games a lot. But it's appropriately named Playstation Portable, as others have mentioned, it doesn't provide a unique experience. It's just new, portable games that are similar to (but generally worse than) console games. Also I love the big bright screen on the PSP, no other handhelds (DS, GBA, iPod, etc..) can compare.

Zen Davis

01-10-2007, 08:29 PM

If all the DS games were on the PSP... and all the PSP games were on the DS... I would prefer the PSP.

I think that about sums up everything from me.

kittycatgirl2k

01-10-2007, 08:44 PM

Why does one have to be "better" than the other? Why does the internet get clogged up with debates for one system over another? Both have their merits and both are worth owning. I have had them since launch and probably played them about equally.

The PSP is an amazing handheld. The LCD is big, bright and widescreen. It has quite a few games worth playing such as Dungeon Siege, LocoRoco, Sims 2 (its like an adventure game and surprisingly fun), Daxter, NFS Most Wanted, the Lumines games, Gitaroo Man, ETC. Of all the PSP games I have played a nice portion of, none have really disappointed me, and LocoRoco blew me away.

The DS screens look not so hot but it has a fantastic library of games that range from quirky to RPG. Castlevanias, Super Princess Peach, Cooking Mama, alot of off the wall stuff...however i have been greatly disappointed by two key titles on the DS so far: Super Mario Bros which was alright but didnt live up to expectations and Advance Wars DS which bored me to tears.

Dont hate, appreciate both and everyone is then happy, right?

PenguinMaster

01-10-2007, 08:55 PM

Why does one have to be "better" than the other? Why does the internet get clogged up with debates for one system over another?

It's cheaper to only buy one.

FriskyTanuki

01-10-2007, 11:25 PM

Dark Mirror is a complete redesign of the Syphon Filter games. It is a cover-based shooter with first-person shooter controls, as oppose to a Lock-On shooter like the other 4 SF games. It;s also superior to all of the other Syphon Filter games (especially Omega Strain, that game was pure crap).
I know what it is. I'm not interested in it. Telling me it's better than the others isn't anymore appealing.

toper

01-10-2007, 11:30 PM

It's cheaper to only buy one.

Actually, it's cheaper to buy none!!! :)

Chacrana

01-10-2007, 11:45 PM

Is the DS better than the PSP... hmm... s'pose I'd have to say "yes" just because there's more original content hitting the DS. I've got more games for the PSP, but the vast majority of stuff worth buying is merely ported from other systems... and it's still that way even though the system's been out for almost 2 years.

furyk

01-10-2007, 11:46 PM

The DS screens look not so hot but it has a fantastic library of games that range from quirky to RPG.

I'll assume you're talking about graphics. The Lite is actually brighter then the original PSP.

Blind the Thief

01-11-2007, 02:46 AM

I have to disagree about MPO being a bad game that's only worth playing for the story. The camera manageable when you use the L button to recenter it behind you while moving with the nub. It does get a little awkward in tight spots, but that plagues any game with a 3D camera. MGO is excellent, just as it was on the PS2 in Subsistence. The missions are nicely varied and simplified for the portable medium. It's a great use of pretty much all of the system's features. Then again, maybe it's because I'm used to the PSP already that I like the game.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Portable Ops was a bad game, no sir. I meant that, for someone that didn't enjoy MGS3, they'd probably hate it for the same reasons. I understand many of the design choices, but I didn't enjoy them since I got to play the console versions without some of those (example: I understand the shorter mission structure, but it broke up the action a bit too much for me); so even though I love MGS3, I didn't enjoy this one nearly as much. But hey, as far as portable games go, it's top-notch.

I agree with you 100% on Syphon Filter.

eau

01-11-2007, 02:57 AM

DS reigns in games.

PSP rules in terms of graphics and movie watching capability (and PS1 game playing in the future).

Wolfpup

01-11-2007, 12:17 PM

As far as battery life goes, I'm on my second battery because the first wouldn't hold a charge longer than 45 minutes. This one lasts a few hours but it's tough not to want what you get with the DS.

If if didn't get over 45 minutes new there was something wrong with it. In CNET's battery tests, the PSP does better than the DS Lite (don't know what settings they're using though. With either, to keep the battery working well you need to keep it topped off. I've never had either system die on me, so I can't say either has bad battery life.

First of all, a fairly consistent look at loading times shows that the average time from system boot to game start on PSP is 103.4 seconds. The average for DS is 24.5 seconds. It's not the PSP's fault per se, but the software and the medium.

Largely irrelevant. You don't need to shut off either system when you're playing a game, so both power on instantly unless you're switching games. And then so what if a disc based game takes longer to start? We've been dealing with that since the early to mid-90's, and it's not like anyone's clamoring to move back to cartriges.

I'm not anti-PSP. I'd love for it to take off and make developers want to develop better than average games for it.

Hadn't read back with your earlier posts. Still, I have a hard time believing you can have 30-40 games and not find a lot more than 4 or whatever that you like. I can totally see having a preference for one portable over the other because of it's games, but they both have really large, high-quality libraries now. More so even than the 360 to date IMO.

Wolfpup

01-11-2007, 12:20 PM

I don't care for the Syphon Filter series, so DM isn't in my plans for future PSP games to purchase.

To second what Penguin Master said, give Dark Mirror a shot. I hated the demo for the PS2 game so much I couldn't get through it, and didn't really like the PS1 games.

But Dark Mirror is easily one of the best games I played last year. It nails everything. Graphics, music, story, and gameplay are all just amazing. IGN's review called it the killer app for the PSP, and it really is. You really need to try it if you like stealth or tactical action type games.

I agree with you 100% on Syphon Filter.

You too-try Dark Mirror if you like this style of game!

DirtRoadSport

01-11-2007, 12:22 PM

I own both. Bought the PSP at 6am on launch day (almost 2 years ago!) and thought I would never buy a DS. Then after the DS Lites came out, I cracked and got one. The PSP has seen far less use since then.

It all depends on what you are looking for. I don't use the PSP media capabilities at all, other than watching some UMD movies I bought. I can't stand long load times on a handheld, so that rules out a lot of PSP games. Having said that, I still have a good collection of games, I just find myself reaching for the DS way more often.

If I had to do it all over again, I honestly think I would skip the PSP and just get an onyx DS Lite.

Wolfpup

01-11-2007, 12:22 PM

DS reigns in games.

PSP rules in terms of graphics and movie watching capability (and PS1 game playing in the future).

That "DS reigns in games" type of thing just drives me nuts. I can see having a legitimate preference for one or the other, but there's no way it's legit to say one or the other "reigns in games". They both have large, diverse libraries, and the PSP has a ton of games that just aren't possible on the DS (whereas for the types of games I like, all of the DS games I like could be done better on the PSP).

PanzerNinja

01-11-2007, 12:35 PM

I've had the psp since its launch and had two games (wipeout, lumines) for the first year and a half. Load times were too long, prices too high but now that there are cheaper games I'm pretty happy with it. Graphics and sound are great, wifi works well. That being said, I've bought two ds lites and my wife and I play those alot more.

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 12:41 PM

PSP + top 5 games = $450
NDS + top 5 games = $250

PS3 + top 2 games = $840
Wii + top 2 games = $350

There are plenty of arguments here to base a decision off of, so I don't need to elaborate. Nevertheless, the absurdity of these numbers caught my eye.

Despite my confusion by what one means by "top games," if it were to mean bestsellers, then you could be knee-deep in PSP Greatest Hits, 5 of which would run you $100. Even if they were all bought at launch, with the exception of GTA, PSP titles are coming out at $40 now, and some at $30. $50 may have been correct in early 2005, but today, that's akin to arguing that a PS2 costs $300. It simply isn't the case.

Let's dig into that DS number: $250 less $130 for the console leaves us with $120 to spend on 5 top titles. This averages out to $24 per title, which is less than the $30 (and sometimes $35) that DS titles come out at. I've never seen a "top" title release for the DS for $24, save for Brain Age and Sudoku. Even Clubhouse Games was $30 (that surprised me, BTW). So, before I've even touched the consoles, your numbers are...how to say this delicately...

bullshit.

One place I'll give you credit is "Wii + 2 games = $350." I'm surprised you didn't say "Wii+ 2 games = $300," counting Wii Sports in the mix.

My last point of contention is that a PS3 and 2 games is $840. Let's be nice and say you bought the 60GB system. That leaves you with $240 for TWO games. This ain't Neo-Geo, sweetheart. Yes, PS3 games, just like 360, are partaking in that "next-gen sapping of the customers" price of $60 per title. NOT, however, $120 per game. Perhaps you live in Canada? That SVP tax really adds up, y'know.

So, down to the more reasonable (by "reasonable" I mean what stores fucking charge you) price of $60 per title, we're at $120 for two "top" PS3 games (and to think I was under the impression there weren't any, so it really should be $0 ;)). Now we're comparing $350 to $720 (a $600 console and two games). Not quite the radical $500 difference you posited, but pretty persuasive to those deciding between a Wii and PS3.

Now, let's be realistic. The PS3 should be considered a $500 system (of course, most people throw around the $600 price because it bolsters their feigned outrage over the price and ignores that the systems are identical in terms of their game playing capacities, and they do so because Microsoft's 360 launch has created a market attitude that regards the cheaper of two-tiered systems as "insufficient" or "crippled"). So, with that in mind, humor me. Let us consider buying the $500 PS3, since it makes more sense to do so.

So, $500 for a PS3 and $120 for 2 games is $620. Still $270 more than your Wii equation, and no insubstantial amount of money. But damn-near the price of a Wii less than you postulated.

Wolfpup

01-11-2007, 01:14 PM

:lol: I hadn't noticed he/she was claming PS3 games cost $170 each :D

He/she must be buying the cartridge versions :-P

magiic

01-11-2007, 01:24 PM

I love me DS. It rocks :D

ArthurDigbySellers

01-11-2007, 04:15 PM

Blind the Thief

01-11-2007, 04:59 PM

You too-try Dark Mirror if you like this style of game!

Actually, I tried a friend's copy when it first came out and hated it. *shrugs*

FriskyTanuki

01-11-2007, 06:06 PM

To second what Penguin Master said, give Dark Mirror a shot. I hated the demo for the PS2 game so much I couldn't get through it, and didn't really like the PS1 games.

But Dark Mirror is easily one of the best games I played last year. It nails everything. Graphics, music, story, and gameplay are all just amazing. IGN's review called it the killer app for the PSP, and it really is. You really need to try it if you like stealth or tactical action type games.
That's all well and good for you, but I have no interest in the game. End of story.

SubjectNameHere

01-11-2007, 08:46 PM

bullshit

Posited and postulated.. nice.

Ok, I haven't looked at that post again until now and I see that I typed the value I initially wanted for 4 top titles. Since there aren't four "top" titles really for either Wii or PS3 (mainly PS3), I dropped it to two and forgot to update the total. I can do basic math. I swear.

The DS vs PSP thing may have harbored a little of my own personal bitterness and bias, despite liking both portables. I think of GTA LCS, GTA VCS, SOCOM, Tekken, Madden, etc., and I remember their debut $50 price tag. The DS I was figuring the average debut price is around $30 so two $20 titles (Cooking Mama, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Sudoko Gridmaster, etc.) and three $30 titles should be a decent initial investment for the system.

I appreciate pointing those things out, but you seriously didn't have to wax intellectual in doing so. I'm not a industry analyst or anything. ;)

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 09:03 PM

I appreciate pointing those things out, but you seriously didn't have to wax intellectual in doing so. I'm not a industry analyst or anything. ;)

Force of habit. Trust me. ;)

meerkatgamer

01-11-2007, 11:02 PM

I own a ds and around 17 ds games all which I love playing I think it's a great system not very good if your playing a game that needs the touch screen all the time like pokemon ranger or zelda:PH on the road because of the bumbs and stuff in that case you'll have to pick to play a gba game, a ds game that doesn't use the touch screen to draw or move or play a psp.

The DS is my favorite portable though it's really great and hopefully they'll use the gba slot for other things later on for maybe expansions or to add more to games.

I only own one psp game dark stalkers and I want to buy me & my katamari one day since i'm a big fan of the games my brother lets me play on his psp and his games when he doesn't need it which it's a nice system i'm not really in a hurry to buy it though since I can use my brothers only thing i'd use it for if i'd get it is games.

I think both systems are great, both have their pros and cons and both have good and bad games though right now I think the ds is a bit better since it has more colors to choose from and I really like the games that's on it.

Wolfpup

01-12-2007, 11:22 AM

That's all well and good for you, but I have no interest in the game. End of story.

Why not? If you like this type of game at all (which seems to be the case), you really should at least rent it.

daroga

01-12-2007, 11:34 AM

Largely irrelevant. You don't need to shut off either system when you're playing a game, so both power on instantly unless you're switching games. And then so what if a disc based game takes longer to start? We've been dealing with that since the early to mid-90's, and it's not like anyone's clamoring to move back to cartriges.No one's clamoring to move back to carts? I am. Disc media has no business being in a portable device.

When I play a portable game, I want to start quickly, and likely, end quickly. Snapping the DS shut or hitting the Stand-by switch on the PSP is a great way to do the latter. But the former is harder to do. By your suggestion, I'd have to map out my game playing, and setup the game ahead of time and stand-by it. That's just unreasonable.

Portable games (and console games too) need to boot up fast and get into the game quickly. There's no excuse for a near 2 minute load time from power on to gameplay start. It's an inherent flaw with the PSP as a gaming platform, and a totaly assinine move by Sony to create a portable system with optical media. It should've been large solid-state memory carts, no question. If they come up with a revised PSP or PSP2 that has solid-state, or at the very least, harddrive access for games (even if I have to "install" them to the internal harddrive) that would be a far better solution.

furyk

01-12-2007, 11:34 AM

Why not? If you like this type of game at all (which seems to be the case), you really should at least rent it.

Yes, because we all have free money to spend on games we don't want to play.

Why gamers can say, "I don't like sports games," and then think it doesn't apply to other genres or franchises as well still baffles me...

Wolfpup

01-12-2007, 12:27 PM

Yes, because we all have free money to spend on games we don't want to play.

Why gamers can say, "I don't like sports games," and then think it doesn't apply to other genres or franchises as well still baffles me...

Doesn't apply. He/she seems to like that genre, so not even renting it is really cheating yourself.

And regardless, it's enough different from similar games, and it's gotten such great reviews, that it's something everyone really ought to try if they like action games at all.

Wolfpup

01-12-2007, 12:30 PM

No one's clamoring to move back to carts? I am. Disc media has no business being in a portable device.

When I play a portable game, I want to start quickly, and likely, end quickly. Snapping the DS shut or hitting the Stand-by switch on the PSP is a great way to do the latter. But the former is harder to do. By your suggestion, I'd have to map out my game playing, and setup the game ahead of time and stand-by it. That's just unreasonable.

No it's not, you just don't shut the game down when you're done. I typically don't bother turning off either system if I'm going to be playing them soonish and/or might play for a shortish period of time.

Kaijufan

01-12-2007, 01:28 PM

I got my DS a few months after it came out and I really love it. It has so many great games, and I usually spend nearly as much time playing it as I do my consoles.
I'm not impressed with the PSP. There aren't any games for it that I want and there are only a few future releases I'm interested in, none of which are system sellers.

Metalfan036

01-12-2007, 07:37 PM

I had borrowed a PSP from a firend of mine and i played the only games that i had interest in on that system, Twisted Metal and Metal Gear Acid. no other games sound really that interesting. my expierience with the DS and the DS lite is much better.

FriskyTanuki

01-13-2007, 03:34 AM

Why not? If you like this type of game at all (which seems to be the case), you really should at least rent it.
Because:

A - I didn't ask for recommendations.

B - You keep pestering me to try it despite point A.

C - My taste and your taste aren't anywhere near compatible enough to even be able to get to point A.

I know what I like and want to play, so I don't need someone else telling me what to play.

Sir_Fragalot

01-13-2007, 03:45 AM

I got my DS on launch and have been very pleased with it. It took awhile for some good games to come out but now the DS has a very nice selection out there. As for the PSP, I am not saying it is a bad system but for me, I don't need the media features and well I just don't want to play portable 3D games yet, it just don't thrill me (I still love 2D games to death and well I wont give them up ever, besides I got a 360 for good 3D games). I mean in my DS collection I have only one full 3D game and that is SM64 DS because well SM64 is a great game. I played LCS on my PS2 and had some $17.99 fun with it but that was about all it was worth to me. So I like the DS better.

01-13-2007, 06:44 AM

however i have been greatly disappointed by two key titles on the DS so far: Super Mario Bros which was alright but didnt live up to expectations and Advance Wars DS which bored me to tears.

Wow, amazing how different people can be, eh? I've had a PSP since the launch day. I've probably put more hours into Advance Wars Dual Strike than all games on my PSP combined! And I haven't even played AW in about a year :rofl:. I think that is one of the best games ever, handheld or console. And I thought NSMB was pretty damn good too.

The only games I put significant time into on the PSP in 2006 were Katamari, Daxter, VP: Lenneth, and Loco Roco. I actually finished the first 3, and am nearly done with Loco Roco but kind of gave up on the last level (which was an order of magnitude more difficult than anything before it - but I only tried it once). I do intend to finish it, but then I look at my backlog of DS games and it and all the other sealed PSP games I have don't even crack the top 10 of the next games I want to play on a portable.

I haven't travelled much in 2006 (after taking trips nearly every month in 2005) but when I do travel, I definitely take the DS. The PSP seems so unportable to me - too fragile and fingerprinty and expensive. I only play it at home :lol:. I'm actually way behind on my DS games because I haven't been taking trips. Though recently I've been neglecting my PS2 backlog to play catch-up on DS games (and finding myself kind of relieved there isn't a flood of Wii releases any time soon). Yes, it is that good...

dmaul1114

01-13-2007, 10:59 AM

A problem I have with the PSP is most of the games are PS2 ports or spinoffs/sequels.

I really have no desire to play games like that on my portable as I generally play it at home and rarely on the go, and would rather play those types of games on my PS2 or other console on my nice TV etc.

So the DS is better for me as it gives me the types of games I love (namely 2D games and quircky titles) that aren't readily available on the consoles.

Otherwise I wouldnt' buy a portable as I don't need a portable gaming machine to use on the go as I don't use public transportation to get to work and don't travel all that often.

Wolfpup

01-15-2007, 01:49 PM

Because:

A - I didn't ask for recommendations.

B - You keep pestering me to try it despite point A.

C - My taste and your taste aren't anywhere near compatible enough to even be able to get to point A.

I know what I like and want to play, so I don't need someone else telling me what to play.

Geez, just a suggestion. Seems super-weird that you'd want to avoid one of the best reviewed, most recommended tactical-action-esque games since you seem to be into them.

A problem I have with the PSP is most of the games are PS2 ports or spinoffs/sequels.

I really have no desire to play games like that on my portable as I generally play it at home and rarely on the go, and would rather play those types of games on my PS2 or other console on my nice TV etc.

For me it's the exact opposite, which is one of the strengths of the PSP. (Though I too buy DS games because it's one of the only places to get 2D stuff.)