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Demolition Man

01-09-2007, 11:35 PM

He's the current leader of the Latin American Xchange otherwise known as LAX which is the hottest wrestling faction in wrestling today. CAG please rise for....

http://www.tnapics.com/albums/ppvlive/2006/oct22/IMG_5658.jpg

KONNAN!

http://www.tnapics.com/albums/impactlive/2006/9/14/IMG_9849.jpg

From Wikipedia.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konnan):

Charles Ashenoff (sometimes seen Hispanicized as Carlos Ashenoff), better known by his ring name, Konnan, is a semi-retired Cuban American professional wrestler and rapper of Puerto Rican descent. [1]

Konnan is well-known in Mexico due to his appearances on Mexican television, particularly with the Asistencia Asesoría y Administración, and has in the past been described as "the Mexican Hulk Hogan", reflecting his mainstream popularity. [2] He has also wrestled for major American promotions such as the World Wrestling Federation, World Championship Wrestling and Extreme Championship Wrestling. Konnan is currently employed by the Nashville, Tennessee-based Total Nonstop Action Wrestling promotion, where he is currently the manager of the Latin American Exchange.

Also here's is what Konnan has recently written on his MySpace page in regards to his current surgery situation. The page can be found @ http://www.myspace.com/konnan619 for those interested in adding him to your MySpace friends list.

UPDATE ON MY HEALTH

I want to clear up rumors and udate everyone that has been asking about my health. I was supposed to get hip replacement surgery last week in mexico and when they went to operate discovered my kidneys were badly damaged it could have been that they were bruised or that i had an infection and my immune system did not recognize it and let it attack my kidneys, believe it or not, this is fairly common.

I am now on dialysis to clean out my blood and so i can go back next week and get my hip replacement surgery and my kidneys can be strong enough to get through the operation. But now i have another problem, i need a kidney transplant, i want to thank all those that have offered to help, my blood type is O positive, believe it or not u only need one kidney which is why so many people donate them to help others, if interested in helping let me know. god bless konnan

SECOND UPDATE i WANT 2 THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS WRITTEN ME OR EMAILED OR MADE OR DONATION, YOUR CONCERN HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE. i WANT 2 SAY THANK U AGAIN, IT PROVES DAT ALL THE TRAVELING AND BEING AWAY FROM MY FAMILY, THE INJURIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A HARD BUSINESS WAS WORTH IT. WHY? BECAUSE U THE FANS CARED. i WILL BE LEAVING TUESDAY THE 9TH FOR HIP REPLACEMENT SURGERY, THEY WILL OPERATE ON WEDNESDAY, I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS BUT GO IN WITH A POSITIVE MINDSET THAT I GOTTA BEAT THIS, I WILL BE BACK STRONGER THAN EVER, KONNAN

2Fast

01-09-2007, 11:42 PM

Has K-Dawg ever gotten a noteworthy title reign?

mykevermin

01-09-2007, 11:43 PM

Heh..."Charles."

Although I tired of his promos in WCW due to their *incessantly* repetitive nature, I always thought he was a great deal of fun to watch in the ring.

He also has done a great deal for Latino wrestlers coming into the states, and LAX represents a realistic take on cultural issues (unlike, say, Latinos riding to the ring on lawnmowers, or the Guerrero's ethnic stereotype of "we lie, we cheat, we steal").

Konnan is also the man who introduced Lucha Libre to the US (not counting the AAA PPV from the early 90's that WCW co-promoted). He told ECW that Rey Mysterio and Psicosis were the future of wrestling...and was half right on that prediction.

He was also the first Max Moon.
http://www.oldschool-wrestling.com/wwow/WWW_pictures/maxmoon1.jpg
(caveat: I dunno if that's Konnan or his replacement, Paul Diamond, in the suit...but the character was so short lived, few pictures exist of him).

He's also facing some significant surgery soon, and is in need of a donated kidney. I hope he pulls through.

Demolition Man

01-09-2007, 11:48 PM

I just updated the main post with info on his health situation taken straight from his own MySpace page. I hope he gets better soon.

I just realized the picture I just put up of Konnan... well.... he kinda resembles Cheapy D a bit there. ;)

PhrostByte

01-10-2007, 12:00 AM

Great ECW tonight I think. 9/10. Storylines continued to be built. And solid wrestling all around... Funny though. Who ends Joe's streak? Angle. Who ends Punk's streak? Bob 'Sparkplug' Holly :D

Demolition Man

01-10-2007, 01:26 AM

Oh you CM Punk you...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/el_pollo_guerrera/dancingpunk2-animate.gif

:rofl:

Zenithian Legend

01-10-2007, 01:29 AM

Why did you pick Konnan? That's either very random, or you've been talking to Casey. I pm'd him yesterday to see if he could help me pick the next topic, and he suggested Konnan.

Either way makes my job around here easier.

CaseyRyback

01-10-2007, 01:35 AM

I never mentioned anything to Demo man. Pretty crazy though that we both thought of the same person.

Zenithian Legend

01-10-2007, 01:41 AM

That is really bizarre, I actually logged on to do the Konnan topic right now, but looks likes Demo saved me the time.

What are the odds of that?

Demolition Man

01-10-2007, 01:41 AM

Actually someone in the previous topic (forgot who) mentioned Konnan as a potential new topic so I decided to run with it since nobody else was at the moment.

Sporadic

01-10-2007, 02:01 AM

You have got to be kidding me.

Konnan?

What's next, Barry Horowitz's Wrestlestation?

JimmieMac

01-10-2007, 02:18 AM

Demolition Man

01-10-2007, 02:25 AM

It doesn't really matter who the topic is named after, it's not like it's being engraved in stone and set out to be gawked at in the town square, that being said, I think the best way to do it would be to pick all the wrestlers that are listed as "legends" in all current wrestling games until the list because exhausted. That way you can see who people are in the games you are currently playing, little back story so to speak.

Good point Jimmie. However we shouldn't always use, say, "legends" as the basis for whomever is picked to be the current wrestling topic. I prefer some variety in who is picked as it makes it more interesting. Not that I'm losing any sleep at night over this but still.

That being said I found out Ring of Honor comes to Mass sometimes, I will check it out, this kid at work went last time and saw Raven, CM Punk and someone else noteworthy who has escaped my mind right now.

Go to see some of the best up and comers in the wrestling world. Trust me. You'll get your dollars worth (and then some) since ROH for the most part puts on a great show every time.

JaytheGamefan

01-10-2007, 03:07 AM

I loved ECW tonight. Every match served some sort of purpose, and good lord was Dreamer an idiot for A - showing up for his match with Khali and B - just attacking him with a road sign. At least he got killed by the almighty Khali. Lashley-RVD was much better this week, and I didn't mind the non-finish all that much since it involves Test, who has impressed me greatly during his ECW run. Punk-Holly was probably the best match on the show, and Punk losing didn't bother me, although I'm not quite sure why.

Just a heads up, Wal-Mart has a massive WWE DVD blowout. A ton of sets and single-disc releases are $4 and 9. I got the Road Warriors set for $9, and Rebellion '02 (Edge vs. Lesnar), Unforgiven '02 (Benoit vs. Angle), and Brock Lesnar: Here Comes the Pain for $4. The other stuff I saw was:
Chris Benoit: Hard Knocks ($4!)
John Cena: Word Life (probably $4, and I'll buy it for the matches with Lesnar, Benoit, and Eddie that are on it)
No Way Out '06 (with Angle vs. Taker, which I'll buy Saturday)
Summerslam '05 (Eddie vs. Rey, Hogan vs. HBK, which I'll buy Saturday)
Vengeance '04 (Edge vs. Orton, which I already own)
Unforgiven '04 (HHH vs. Orton, which I have no major desire to own)
World's Greatest Wrestling Managers (this was $9, and has FUJI VICE... so I'll buy it Saturday)
Bad Blood '04 (HHH vs. HBK in a cell, I'll probably buy it Saturday)
Armageddon '05 (Kash vs. Juvi is excellent)
Backlash '04 (already own it, but it's got Orton vs. Foley and Benoit vs. HHH vs. HBK II, so BUY IT!)

Graystone

01-10-2007, 03:12 AM

Where's my tna order it shipped 1-3.

Zenithian Legend

01-10-2007, 03:17 AM

Brak

01-10-2007, 03:34 AM

Here are those bootleg WWE figures, for anyone who wanted to see them:

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5685/cardfz1.jpg

There's the card. You can see HHH and The Rock.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2392/championscollectionpc1.jpg

"BoM".

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6639/kaneca9.jpg

Really shitty picture, but you get the point.

The weapons are hysterical:

- Ice pick
- '80s electric guitar
- Jumbo plumbing wrench
- Jaws of life (!?)

Here's a bonus from another wrestling bootleg I've found:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3430/benoitnr9.jpg

This was on the card of another figure, under the same Wrestling Federation line.

Just. Hysterical.

Francis

01-10-2007, 05:10 AM

Man I might have to venture into Walmart now.

taetao

01-10-2007, 06:00 AM

LAX is best tag heel right now. yes better than DX

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 06:58 AM

You have got to be kidding me.

Konnan?

What's next, Barry Horowitz's Wrestlestation?

Given how much all of you gushed over poor, poor Roddy Piper's medical issues, it's only fitting that we give one to Konnan as well.

Likewise, as Jimmie said, it's ultimately meaningless, as we end up bitching about the same wrestlers, the same feuds, and the same storylines no matter *whom* is honored one page 1.

Lastly, I don't know what that weapon is by the bootleg not-Kane toy's foot is, but it sure looks like it belongs in Gears of War.

JaytheGamefan

01-10-2007, 07:00 AM

LAX is best tag heel right now. yes better than DX
Well, DX is done for the time being and they're faces... so yeah, LAX is definitely the best heel team going. As for Konnan getting his own thread, I have no problem with it at all. He's a lucha legend, and without him, we wouldn't have seen the influx of luchadors into WCW, and without that, Rey definitely wouldn't have had a shot in WWE, let alone won one of its world titles.

Zenithian Legend

01-10-2007, 07:04 AM

I just wish we'd made it Max Moon's wrestling topic

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 07:48 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gznWOZEVLQg

Not everybody got to appreciate what an amazing heel Eddie Gilbert was. And, in addition, I can't believe Jim Ross has been bleating "BAH GAWD!" for 20+ years now.

getmeoutofjoliet

01-10-2007, 08:41 AM

We need a Konnan topic.

:applause:

Sporadic

01-10-2007, 09:06 AM

Likewise, as Jimmie said, it's ultimately meaningless, as we end up bitching about the same wrestlers, the same feuds, and the same storylines no matter *whom* is honored one page 1.

Oh trust me, I'm not mad about it or anything. It was just kind of surprising going from guys like Cactus Jack/Jimmy Snuka (fairly cream of the crop) to Konnan (who sucks massive cock).

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I was digging through dailymotion when I ran into this little gem.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/Regal%2BGoldberg/video/x70d5_goldberg-vs-regal-2998

The infamous Regal/Goldberg match. What a trainwreck.

Now I just need to find that Bryan Danielson/John Cena match from Velocity again. YouTube took it down.

guyver2077

01-10-2007, 10:16 AM

i have an idea.. why dont we alternate and let thread members make topics....

edit.. wow that goldberg match was interesting..

guyver2077

01-10-2007, 11:10 AM

just noticed the marine is coming out on blu-ray.. interesting

onetrackmind

01-10-2007, 11:12 AM

A few personal notes from Raw:
• Vladimir Kozlov makes me laugh, before his dark match he cut a 5 minute long promo about how he's "betta" than anything and everything.

• Cena, DX/Michaels, Carlito, Jeff Hardy are over huge. The cheers definetly out number the boos.

• I don't know how well you could tell on tv but people absolutely shit all over the rosie/trump thing. I actually left to get a beer and some food and i came back and the match is still going on. The TNA were started by the group of people behind me.

• Victoria's ass was pretty much in front of my face throughout the match (i was six rows back from the ring)... it's very nice. Mickie looks really cute in person.

• Torrie's shot to Master's leg looked stiff as hell from where i was sitting, it looked like he was legitimately hurt from it after the match was over.

• Orton and Edge walk out to the ring, step in the ring stand there for about 10 seconds and then walk all the way back up the ramp and leave. Everyone was kinda like wtf? and then they come back out like a minute and a half later... it was really wierd. The promo though was incredible.

• After that me and my buddy decided to leave and go around the back of the arena to see if we could meet up with any wrestlers leaving the building. A girl my buddy is freinds with was already back there and met Ric Flair/Jeff Hardy/Mickie James. We were standing there and Ron Simmons comes out rolls down his window and waves to us (which was pretty cool) at this point there is only 5 of us standing there. We saw Michaels leave, and he has a fucking driver, its like driving miss daisy... we also ignored us and looked really pissed off. Then the Coach/Fuckface Grisham left and totally ignored us... and we saw the highlanders who were still in their kilts. Before they left the cops made us leave and as we were wlaking away Robbie rolled down his window and waved to me and my friend as we were walking away.

Then we started driving home an di got a call from my cousin that the wrestlers were staying at the mariott by the airport so we decided to drive there and see what was going on. Walked in and there were about 30 relaly creepy looking wrestling fans waiting in the lobby so we walk in the bar and see Fuckface and the Coach eating dinner. A few people walked up to them to ask for pictures and they were a bunch of serious assholes. I dont know if they are aware of it or not but they should be happy anyone wants a picture with them period. We decided to leave shortly after having a beer cause the wrestling nerds were creeping us out.

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 11:27 AM

Then we started driving home an di got a call from my cousin that the wrestlers were staying at the mariott by the airport so we decided to drive there and see what was going on. Walked in and there were about 30 relaly creepy looking wrestling fans waiting in the lobby so we walk in the bar and see Fuckface and the Coach eating dinner. A few people walked up to them to ask for pictures and they were a bunch of serious assholes. I dont know if they are aware of it or not but they should be happy anyone wants a picture with them period. We decided to leave shortly after having a beer cause the wrestling nerds were creeping us out.

The rule of thumb is to not bother them when they're eating. I wouldn't even ask Coach to wash my car and pay me because he sucks so bad...so you're right about them being thankful. Nevertheless, don't bother anybody mid-meal. It's like telemarketers that way.

OTOH, if you're bummin' smokes offa my friend for two hours at the bar, and refuse my brother an autograph, and all this occurs well before you make it to Raw for the first time, you're a sucka (Umaga).

onetrackmind

01-10-2007, 11:39 AM

The rule of thumb is to not bother them when they're eating. I wouldn't even ask Coach to wash my car and pay me because he sucks so bad...so you're right about them being thankful. Nevertheless, don't bother anybody mid-meal. It's like telemarketers that way.

OTOH, if you're bummin' smokes offa my friend for two hours at the bar, and refuse my brother an autograph, and all this occurs well before you make it to Raw for the first time, you're a sucka (Umaga).

No i totally understand what you're saying, and personally i agree with you 100%. But even after he was done and the group of wrestling nerds came up to both of them as they walked out the bar and he completely ignored them. I overheard someone tell him he did awesome on Raw that night and coach just goes "keep watching" as we kept walking away.

On a side note: Me and my buddy werent planning on getting any autographs (for the simple reason that we both think its relaly lame to pester someone for one when you're an adult.) There is just something really creepy about a 40 year old person waiting in a hotel lobby all night to get some wrestlers autograph. It would have been cool though to shoot the shit with some of them though.

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 01:09 PM

There is just something really creepy about a 40 year old person waiting in a hotel lobby all night to get some wrestlers autograph. It would have been cool though to shoot the shit with some of them though.

Absolutely. I never got many autographs. I think the only one I have is an old OVW program with Big Bossman, Mark Henry, and someone else (Randy Orton?) from OVW's first show at their new arena. They had seating for 400 and turned away 800+ (and we, of course, we among the 800). I was going to throw it away, but I haven't yet only because Bossman's signature is on it.

I was half tempted to invite Roadkill to the bar I frequent if they were staying in town last Saturday (to share in my beer winnings from the bet with my father-in-law). I decided against it, though, like you, I much prefer bullshitting with guys rather than swarming them with "d'ya remember when you beat up so-and-so" and "you're AWESOME!" I can understand someone under the age of 13-14 being like that, but not a grown man.

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 01:10 PM

Do you have a favorite drunkard?

Some amazing man or woman, past or present, who stands colossus-like atop the Big Keg, the ground below littered with crushed empties and the blacked-out carcasses of lesser beings? A verging demigod, whose prowess with a bottle leaves you shaking your head in pop-eyed adoration? Lots of us do.

In addition to their wrist-raising abilities, we deify great drinkers because they indulge their lust for intoxication while simultaneously operating at the peak of their powers in whatever their chosen profession. In other words, great drunks are also great writers, actors, athletes, scientists, statesmen, philosophers, and so on.

I have a favorite drunkard. He was an athlete—a professional wrestler in fact—but he was also a gifted entertainer and a true artist. His parents named him Andre Rene Rousimoff, but we knew him as The Eighth Wonder of the World, Andre the Giant.

For two decades, from the late 1960s through the mid 1980s, Andre the Giant was the highest paid professional wrestler in the business and a household name across the globe. Promoters fought tooth and nail to book Andre, as his presence on a card all but guaranteed a sell-out. Fans cheered his every move, and mobbed him on the street as if he were a great big Beatle.

For proof of his drawing power, look no further than Wrestlemania III in 1987. The main event was Andre vs. Hulk Hogan. The show drew the first million-dollar gate in wrestling history, set a pay-per-view record that lasted a decade, and set the all-time indoor attendance record for any live event ever—78,000+ butts in seats at the Pontiac Silver Dome in Detroit—destroying the previous record set by some rock band called the Rolling Stones. His rematch with Hogan two months later, broadcast live on NBC, attracted 33 million viewers, making it the most watched wrestling match ever.

119 BeersKnown to his friends simply as “Giant” or “Boss,” Andre was born on May 19th, 1946, in Grenoble, France, the child of Russian immigrants. Shortly after his birth, he was diagnosed with a rare glandular disease, acromegaly, which caused his body to over-produce growth hormones. As a result, Andre grew to a height of somewhere between 6’11” and 7’5” and a weight of over 500 pounds (his actual height and weight have been speculated about for decades—the business is notorious for inflating wrestlers’ statistics—but Andre’s illness sometimes made him slouch or bow his shoulders, so he might well have been the advertised 7’5”). He first wrestled as Andre the Butcher, but it was Vincent J. McMahon Sr., owner of New York’s World Wide Wrestling Federation (WWWF), who christened him “Andre the Giant.”

While it can be argued that a miniscule handful of professional wrestlers matched Andre’s in-ring achievements (Gorgeous George back in the ‘40s and ‘50s, perhaps; Dusty Rhodes in the ‘70s, and Hulk Hogan, without a doubt, in the ‘80s), no other wrestler ever matched his exploits as a drunkard. In fact, no other human has ever matched Andre as a drinker. He is the zenith. He is the Mount Everest of inebriation.
As far as great drunkards go, there is Andre the Giant, and then there is everyone else.

The big man loved two things: wrestling and booze—mostly booze—and his appetites were of mythic proportion.

First, consider the number 7,000. It’s an important number, and a rather scary one considering its context, which is this—it has been estimated that Andre the Giant drank 7,000 calories worth of booze every day. The figure doesn’t include food. Just booze.

7,000 calories.

Every day.

I don’t know about you, but it makes my brain turn somersaults. Hell, it makes my brain perform an entire floor routine, complete with colored ribbons.

When Andre arrived in New York to begin his long working relationship with the McMahon family, his reputation as both a serious student of the nightlife and an extravagant spender was already a topic of speculation and wonder among East Coast wrestlers and promoters. Andre might make $15,000-$20,000 for a single appearance at Madison Square Garden, and a substantial amount of that went to settling the bar tabs he piled up as he boozed his way up and down Manhattan until sunrise. Andre’s generosity matched his size. He often invited a gang of fellow wrestlers along for the ride, as he disliked drinking alone, and picked up some truly staggering tabs. Andre was going to have a good time and went out of his way to make sure everyone else did too.

Worried about his headliner, Vince McMahon Sr. assigned a “handler” to the Giant—long-time wrestler, manager, and road agent, Arnold Skaaland, whose only job when Andre was in town was to keep him out of serious trouble and get him to the arena in time to wrestle. Skaaland was an old-school drinker in his own right, but Andre blew his mind. On one occasion he could only watch goggle-eyed as Andre went about demolishing a dozen or so quarts of beer as a “warm-up” for a match.

With Skaaland on the job, Vince Sr. knew Andre was in capable hands, but the promoter still worried about how the Giant would cope with the insane amount of travel required of a wrestling superstar. Andre loathed flying—no commercial airliner could accommodate such a massive man without resorting to the luggage compartment—and his opinion of most cars wasn’t much sunnier, because aspects of his disease caused intense pain in his knees, hips and lower back when he remained too long in a cramped position. When a tight schedule left a plane or car as the only option, Andre eased his discomfort by getting good and hammered.

Vince Sr. pondered the situation and arrived at a novel solution. He wanted to keep the big man happy, so he bought a trailer and had it customized just for Andre. With plenty of room to spread out and relax, Andre could now travel in a semblance of comfort, which allowed him to do some serious boozing. During trips Andre consumed beer at the incredible rate of a case every ninety minutes, with bottles of vodka or top-rate French wine thrown in for variety.

Sadly, the trailer wasn’t available outside the WWWF territory; Vince Sr. wasn’t about to do the competition any favors. Andre didn’t expect other promoters to pony up a trailer just for him, so he commissioned a customized Lincoln Continental. With the front seat now positioned about where the back seat would normally be, Andre had a little leg room. He carried his luggage and wrestling gear in the trunk and towed his necessities in a trailer. Lined with plastic tarps, the rickety trailer was filled with ice and cases of Budweiser tallboys. As he cruised the nation’s highways, Andre kept a case on the seat beside him, stopping only for food, more ice, and another case or two if he ran low.

As famous as Andre was in this country, he was even bigger in Japan. He spent a few months out of every year over there, where he was treated like a living god and pocketed five-figure payoffs for a single night’s work. That being said, Andre didn’t really like Japan. Everything was too small. Hotel beds were like bassinets and it was all but impossible for him to shower or go to the bathroom in their Lilliputian facilities. He was known to rip the door off his hotel bathroom and make use of the toilet by sitting sideways with his legs sticking out into the main room.
Getting from show to show presented its own problems. Japanese promoters preferred to transport the gaijin wrestlers by bus, vehicles which steadfastly refused to house giants. In order to placate their star import, promoters removed several rows of seats from the back of the bus, creating something of a private cabin for Andre, a place spacious enough for him to stretch out or catch a nap. Mostly, though, Andre used the space as a comfortable spot to do his drinking.

A very green rookie wrestler named Hulk Hogan toured Japan several times with Andre and witnessed the Giant’s alcohol consumption first hand. According to Hogan, Andre drank, at a minimum, a case of tall boys during each bus ride. When he finished a can Andre would belch, crush the can in his dinner-platter-sized hand, and bounce the empty off the back of Hogan’s head. Hogan learned to count each thunk, so he could anticipate when Andre was running low. Whenever the bus stopped, it was Hogan’s job to scamper off to the nearest store, buy as many cases of beer as he could carry, and make it back before the bus departed, a sight that never failed to make Andre roar his bassoon-like laugh.

On one tour, Andre’s Japanese sponsors rewarded him with a case of expensive plum wine. Andre settled down in the back of the bus and started drinking. Four hours later, the bus arrived at the next venue, and Andre was polishing off the last bottle of wine.

Sixteen bottles of wine in four hours is a considerable feat, but it gets better. Andre proceeded straight to the ring and wrestled three matches, including a twenty-man battle royal. The 16 bottles of plum wine had no discernible effect on Andre’s in-ring ability. By the end of the evening, Andre had sweated off the wine and found himself growing cranky. He dispatched Hogan for a few cases of beer. Hogan hurried to do as Andre asked, knowing from painful experience that a drunken Giant was a happy Giant, and a happy Giant was less likely to fracture some vital part of an opponent’s anatomy in a fit of grumpiness.

In 1977, “The American Dream” Dusty Rhodes wrestled Andre at Madison Square Garden. Afterwards, the old friends went out on the town. They adjourned to one of Andre’s favorite watering holes and took stools at the bar (Andre occupied two). Several hours and some 100 beers later (around 75 of them were Andre’s), they decided to head back to their hotel. Andre looked at taxis with the same scorn as most other conveyances and announced that he and Dusty would walk, which was problem because Dusty was having trouble maintaining a vertical position. Andre studied the situation, and a twinkling grin blossomed across his huge face. People who spent any time with the big man quickly learned to watch for that grin. It was a harbinger of danger. It meant that Andre was contemplating something risky, something with potential legal ramifications, but also, most assuredly, something fun.

A moment later, the two huge wrestlers attacked a pair of horse-drawn carriages. Dusty threw a handful of paper money at one driver while Andre hauled the other from his seat with one hand. While one driver cursed and the other scrabbled around on the ground collecting his windfall, Andre and Dusty thundered off in the carriages. They raced through the Manhattan streets, dodging cars and pedestrians for fifteen blocks before ditching the carriages and lathered horses a block from their hotel. By the time the cops arrived, Andre and Dusty were enjoying snifters of brandy in the hotel bar, appearing as innocent as angels. The next day, they main-evented another card at the Garden. Another sell-out. Two pros at the top of their games.

Another time, in the ‘70s, Andre was holding court at a beach-front bar in the Carolinas, boozing it up with fellow wrestlers Blackjack Mulligan, Dick Murdoch, and the inimitable Ric Flair. They’d been drinking with gusto for hours when Flair goaded Mulligan and Murdoch into some slap-boxing with Andre, who had poured over 60 beers down his gullet. One of the two “accidentally” sucker-punched Andre. The Giant became enraged, grabbed both Mulligan (6’5”, 250 lbs.) and Murdoch (6’3”, 240 lbs.) and dragged them into the ocean, one in each hand, where he proceeded to hold them under water. Flair intervened, and Andre released the men, assuring them he was only playing around. Murdoch and Mulligan, who had nearly drowned, weren’t so sure, but neither messed with Andre the Giant again. They also picked up the tab.

On another occasion, Andre was touring the Kansas City territory and went out for drinks after a show with Bobby Heenan and several other wrestlers. When the bartender hollered last call, Andre, slightly annoyed, announced that he didn’t care to leave. Rather than risk an altercation with his hulking customer, the bartender told Andre he could stay only if he was drinking, imagining, surely, that he would soon be rid of the big fella. Andre thanked the man, and proceeded to order 40 vodka tonics. He sat there drinking them, one after another, finishing the last at just after five in the morning.

When ill health forced Andre to largely quit wrestling in the late ‘80s, he accepted the role of Fezzik in Rob Reiner’s movie The Princess Bride. Everyone on the set loved the big man, with the possible exception of Reiner himself. Ever the sociable fellow, he kept fellow cast members Mandy Patinkin and Carey Elwes out night after night, drinking and otherwise goofing around. The actors were incapable of matching Andre’s intake, but certainly gave it a serious try. As a result, they often showed up on set still loaded or suffering from the sort of hangovers that make death seem a pleasant alternative. Reiner tried to get Andre to leave the actors alone, but Andre could only be Andre, and the other cast members continued to pay the price.

The shooting schedule required Andre to be in England for about a month. When his part wrapped, Andre checked out of his suite at the Hyatt in London and flew back to his ranch in North Carolina. His bar bill for the month-long stay?

Just a shade over $40,000.

Now, if everything I’ve described so far isn’t proof enough that Andre the Giant was the greatest drunkard who ever lived, these last two stories should set my claim in granite.

You won’t find it in the Guinness Book of World Records, but Andre the Giant holds the world record for the largest number of beers consumed in a single sitting. These were standard 12-ounce bottles of beer, nothing fancy, but during a six-hour period Andre drank 119 of them. It was one of the few times Andre got drunk enough to pass out, which he did in a hallway at his hotel. His companions, quite drunk themselves, couldn’t move the big man. Fearing trouble with cops, they stole a piano cover from the lounge and draped it over Andre’s inert form. He slept peacefully until morning, unmolested by anyone. Perhaps the hotel people thought he was a piece of furniture.

Think about it: 119 beers in six hours. That’s a beer every three minutes, non stop. That’s beyond epic. It’s beyond the ken of mortal men. It’s god-like.

Giants are not made long for this world, and toward the end of his life injuries and health problems caused by the acromegaly caught up with Andre. It became difficult just to walk, let alone wrestle, so he retired to his North Carolina ranch to drink wine and watch the countryside. He declined myriad requests for a comeback, despite promises of lavish payoffs. He was simply in too much pain to perform at the level he demanded of himself. Then he received a call from Vince McMahon Jr.

McMahon was in the midst of taking his WWF promotion national. He’d scored big-time with his Wrestlemania events on pay-per-view, and as Wrestlemania III approached, Vince Jr. was hot to make it the biggest thing yet. To make that happen, he needed Andre the Giant.

Andre was in France visiting his ailing father when the call came. He thanked Vince Jr. but said there was no way he could get back in a ring, even though he very much wanted to. Not willing to give up, Vince Jr. flew to France to speak with Andre in person. He took Andre to see doctors specializing in back and knee maladies. Radical back surgery was proposed. If successful, the procedure would lessen Andre’s pain and perhaps make it possible for him to get in the ring for Wrestlemania. If Andre was game, Vince Jr. agreed to pay for the entire cost of the surgery.

The time arrived, and the anesthesiologist was frantic. He had never put a person of Andre’s size under the gas before and had no idea how much to use. Various experts were brought in but no solution presented itself until one of the doctors asked Andre if he was a drinker. Andre responded that, yes, he’d been known to tip a glass from time to time. The doctor then wanted to know how much Andre drank and how much it took to get him drunk.

“Well,” rumbled the Giant, “It usually takes two liters of vodka just to make me feel warm inside.”

And thus was a solution found. The gas-passer was able to extrapolate a correct mixture for Andre by analyzing his alcohol intake. It was a medical breakthrough, and the system is still used to this day.

Five months later, Andre the Giant wrestled a “body-slam” match against Hulk Hogan and brought down the house.

Two liters of vodka. Warm and fuzzy. Side by side like that, the two sentences hardly make any sense. For most of us, two liters of vodka means a one-way ticket to Blackout Island aboard the good ship Regurgitania.

After Wrestlemania, Andre retired for good. His beloved father died in 1993 and Andre returned to France to be with his family. He was still there when, on January 26th, 1993, Andre died in his sleep of heart failure at the age of 47.

The key to Andre the Giant is this — even as a youth he knew that his disease would dramatically shorten his life. He knew there was no cure, and lived every day with the understanding that death could shamble around the very next corner. Knowledge of this sort can darken a life.

It did not darken Andre’s.

He chose instead to pack his days with as much insane, drunken fun as they could hold. Instead of languishing in the darkness, he chose to walk in the sun.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. Andre the Giant was an inspiration. I would pay a fortune for the opportunity to go back in time 30 years to watch such a master practice his craft, in the ring and at the bar.

Andre the Giant was the very embodiment of what being a drunkard is all about.

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/10_06/10_06_andre_giant.html

Andre is the greatest man who ever lived.

guyver2077

01-10-2007, 01:18 PM

i thought i heard rumors for a khali hogan match at mania..

i think that would be interesting...and would sell ppv

Sporadic

01-10-2007, 01:38 PM

After Wrestlemania, Andre retired for good.

That isn't true.

He didn't retire until 1990ish.

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 01:49 PM

To be fair, he had perhaps one more match after WrestleMania VI, and a brief feud with Earthquake (?), but he wasn't wrestling at that point - he was on TV with elbow crutches, despite not being injured.

Sporadic

01-10-2007, 02:58 PM

Oh Human Tornado, you are still the best gimmick wrestler on the indy circuit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5_Wwj3HfW0

Hopefully he get a ton of exposure on that new MTV wrestling show they are coming out with. Just imagine him as Cryme Tyme's Slick.

- edit To be fair, he had perhaps one more match after WrestleMania VI, and a brief feud with Earthquake (?), but he wasn't wrestling at that point - he was on TV with elbow crutches, despite not being injured.

True but the way they had it written makes it sound like Wrestlemania III was Andre's last hoorah.

Midnite

01-10-2007, 03:09 PM

Oh Human Tornado, you are still the best gimmick wrestler on the indy circuit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5_Wwj3HfW0

Hopefully he get a ton of exposure on that new MTV wrestling show they are coming out with. Just imagine him as Cryme Tyme's Slick.

- edit

True but the way they had it written makes it sound like Wrestlemania III was Andre's last hoorah.

Yes!!!!

Ruckus is pretty good, he's a regular down in MCW (Maryland Championship Wrestling). He had a good match with Alex Shelly last month.

Roufuss

01-10-2007, 03:09 PM

That was fucking AWESOME.

onetrackmind

01-10-2007, 03:25 PM

Human Tornado is awesome!

mykevermin

01-10-2007, 03:26 PM

That tope con giro of his caught nothin' but air.

It's a cute gimmick, but I much prefer Jack Evans. I can really relate to hating that fuckin' guy.

Lastly, I agree that the article on Andre was written in a sense that suggested it was after WMIII that he retired. Then again, I don't expect all the wrestling facts to ever be right for a number of reasons. If WWE books can be as bad as they are (a photograph of Sherry Martel in Bischoff's book had Missy Hyatt's name in the caption), then I certainly am not bothered by a blog about booze getting it wrong.

guyver2077

01-10-2007, 03:29 PM

Oh Human Tornado, you are still the best gimmick wrestler on the indy circuit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5_Wwj3HfW0

Hopefully he get a ton of exposure on that new MTV wrestling show they are coming out with. Just imagine him as Cryme Tyme's Slick.

- edit

True but the way they had it written makes it sound like Wrestlemania III was Andre's last hoorah.

fucking awesome..

wasnt ruckus in that backyard wrestling game

Brak

01-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Just imagine him as Cryme Tyme's Slick.
For Human Tornado's sake, I'd rather not.

In the world of the WWE, if you're black you're either a heel and / or have a gimmick relating to urban culture.

Zenithian Legend

01-10-2007, 06:31 PM

Anyone make it over to walmart to confirm the cheap wwe dvds?

Brak

01-10-2007, 07:02 PM

The DVDs have their own cardboard aisle display.

It's national.

JaytheGamefan

01-10-2007, 07:44 PM

Demolition Man

01-10-2007, 08:16 PM

I'm certainly going to hit that Wallyworld WWE DVD sale just for the Billy Graham one.

PhrostByte

01-10-2007, 08:39 PM

Yes!!!!

Ruckus is pretty good, he's a regular down in MCW (Maryland Championship Wrestling). He had a good match with Alex Shelly last month.

I saw him at MCW Monster Mash. He lost the belt to Chris Sabin. I caught him after the match and congratulated him on the loss :lol:

Sporadic

01-10-2007, 09:09 PM

Wow, that clip of Trish being tazed is going to be masturbation fodder for a lot of lonely people tomorrow.

Zenithian Legend

01-10-2007, 10:06 PM

Rob Van Dam: One of a Kind, Backlash '05, Royal Rumble '05, Royal Rumble '04, No Mercy '04, Armageddon '04, and No Way Out '04 were also shown - I just forgot about them. Other DVDs that have been confirmed (but that I didn't see during my one visit last night) are Billy Graham's DVD for $4, Tough Enough 4 for $4, and Before They Were Superstars for $. I really want the Graham set, so I'll probably check a few stores out this weekend for it. I'm absolutely giddy due to this DVD sale. I cannot believe how much great wrestling is available for so little money.

Also, Andre kept wrestling until September of '92 - 3 months before his death. I almost cried the first time I saw it because you could tell Andre was in agonizing pain throughout it.

I tried the Walmart closest to me today, and was pleasantly surprised that it was one of those newer/cleaner Walmarts. Oh sure there were still plenty of inbred people there, but at least the store itself wasn't as dirty as most. Even had a Subway in it.

Anyway, there were hardly any wrestling dvds at all at this store. Maybe they bundled all the goods together and put 'em next door at Sam's Club, who knows. Either way, all I saw was Vengeance 2006, WM 22 & Rey Mysterio package, Vince McMahon, I want to say Unforgiven and Hogan's 4 disc collection. All at regular prices. That makes me a sad panda.

There's one other Walmart about 10 minutes away from me that I may try tomorrow.

CaseyRyback

01-10-2007, 10:11 PM

Billy Graham is alright, but I watched that one right after Jake and they let him off really light. It is amazing that someone who legitimately tried to ruin McMahon gets treated as well as he did.

KaneRobot

01-11-2007, 08:57 AM

That isn't true.

Several things in that article are not true.

PhrostByte

01-11-2007, 12:12 PM

I just posted this on Ruckus's myspace.

yo i saw you at the mcw show in dundalk. good match w/ sabin. congrats on getting that wsx gig but personally i'd rather see you in the x-division one day. good luck with everything man, and of course, keep blazin :]

I feel so cool. 8-)

JaytheGamefan

01-11-2007, 04:08 PM

Roufuss

01-11-2007, 04:11 PM

Here's the first trailer for WSX; it features Teddy Hart doing a shooting star press off of a very high place, and someone spearing someone through a car window - http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?vid=127565

That's fucking SICK... this is what ECW should have been all along.

Was that Vampiro?? And X-Pac?

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 04:27 PM

Was that Vampiro?? And X-Pac?

Yep. The trailer looks fun, but a little heavy on the "gimmicks" (shit exploding, for instance).

flybrione

01-11-2007, 04:31 PM

Here's the first trailer for WSX; it features Teddy Hart doing a shooting star press off of a very high place, and someone spearing someone through a car window - http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?vid=127565

Now that looks entertaining. Unlike the last few months of Raw with few exceptions

MorbidAngel4Life

01-11-2007, 04:32 PM

That's fucking SICK... this is what ECW should have been all along.

Was that Vampiro?? And X-Pac?

Yep, both were confirmed to be part of it.

guyver2077

01-11-2007, 04:33 PM

where the fuck did this wsx come from?

and yea way too much boom and shit.. why cant they just wrestle...or atleast "old school ecw" type wrestling.. not fucking playing with electricity type of shit

reminds me again of backyard wrestling game

Roufuss

01-11-2007, 04:33 PM

Yep. The trailer looks fun, but a little heavy on the "gimmicks" (shit exploding, for instance).

I'll take gimmicks over shitty storylines... admist all the gimmicks there was some insane spots and moves too.

Electrified steel cage? YES.

One of the commercials on MTV has a guy getting body slammed into a ton of tacks as well.

And please, there are already 4 shows with just wrestling and shit storylines, I'm glad this one is going over the top, in order to differentiate itself.

flybrione

01-11-2007, 04:45 PM

And please, there are already 4 shows with just wrestling and shit storylines, I'm glad this one is going over the top, in order to differentiate itself.

QFT

Genocidal

01-11-2007, 04:49 PM

I'll at least give the first episode a shot because the trailer looks pretty good. I'm not going to expect much since it's an MTV product, so hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 05:00 PM

I'll take gimmicks over shitty storylines... admist all the gimmicks there was some insane spots and moves too.

Electrified steel cage? YES.

One of the commercials on MTV has a guy getting body slammed into a ton of tacks as well.

And please, there are already 4 shows with just wrestling and shit storylines, I'm glad this one is going over the top, in order to differentiate itself.

Ehh...I'd be hard pressed to say there is "wrestling" on TV at the moment. The good matches are just too far and few in between, IMO. WSX could change that (it has a feel of ECW, but ramped up a bit, and as guyver pointed out, a backyard essence as well), but I won't hold my breath. I look forward to it, sure...but am not (ever) without reservations.

JaytheGamefan

01-11-2007, 05:46 PM

WSX only has 30 minutes to work with - don't watch this expecting good, long wrestling matches. It has New Jack on MTV - that's reason enough to watch.

Psykoboy2

01-11-2007, 06:04 PM

Hmm...are the CZW videos any good?

Sporadic

01-11-2007, 06:06 PM

Hmm...are the CZW videos any good?

Depends.

You can't really go wrong if you get a Cage of Death, Tournament of Death or Best Of The Best.

- edit As reported earlier, World Wrestling Entertainment has chosen to discontinue the pay-per-view press conferences effective immediately. One source said that the reason for this was that too many people would come to the events to chant "TNA", not to mention "VKM", during the conferences. This problem was especially evident at the New Year's Revolution press conference last week as there were several loud, audible "TNA" chants during the event. To make matters worse, Jonathan Coachman acknowledged the chants by saying, "that like Kansas City, TNA is inferior." All of this was audible on the live webcast on WWE.com, but it was edited out of the subsequent post of the video.

Anyways, the chants at the New Year's Revolution press conference irritated Vince McMahon so much that he decided to cancel all future pay-per-view press conferences effective immediately.

Also, WWE has really been clamping down on fans' signs in recent weeks. For instance, at the 12/26 house show in Hershey, PA, they were confiscating several signs at the door. The current policy calls for anything lewd, anything TNA related, anti-babyface signs, not to mention anything plugging a website, to be confiscated by sercurity. Furthermore, the term "VKM" has been added to the banned list of signs that fans aren't allowed to bring to WWE events. There have been several reports in recent weeks of security confiscating signs that show the initials of everyone's favorite WWE Chairman, Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

Good going, asshole fans.

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 06:54 PM

Good going, asshole fans.

The fans are innovative; this will not stop them. Let them get under his skin, because god knows 5 hours of bullshit programming every week gets under my skin.

Moreover, the press conferences were silly and unnecessary, and perhaps costly as well. Like every pro wrestling press conference ever, the only cameras and microphones set up are the ones brought by the wrestling company promoting it.

WSX won't last, but they do have some good talent for those of you who have (or have yet to) watch ROH. Matt Sydal, Jack Evans, and PUMA are all in WSX, as is Colt Cabana (though he's under a mask, I think).

Sporadic

01-11-2007, 07:01 PM

The fans are innovative; this will not stop them. Let them get under his skin, because god knows 5 hours of bullshit programming every week gets under my skin.

Moreover, the press conferences were silly and unnecessary, and perhaps costly as well. Like every pro wrestling press conference ever, the only cameras and microphones set up are the ones brought by the wrestling company promoting it.

So, why ruin things for fans?

I don't like TNA but that doesn't mean I'm going to drive to Orlando and start WWE chants while holding a Cena sign like a giant douchebag.

The press conferences were just a silly little thing they did for fans and the local media.

Now because some fucking retards they not only got rid of them but are cracking down on any negative sign brought to live events.

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 07:08 PM

So, why ruin things for fans?

I don't like TNA but that doesn't mean I'm going to drive to Orlando and start WWE chants while holding a Cena sign like a giant douchebag.

The press conferences were just a silly little thing they did for fans and the local media.

Now because some fucking retards they not only got rid of them but are cracking down on any negative sign.

That's WWE's decision to make, not the fans. I can't believe I'm defending smart fans, but they choose to do what they want. If they want to see a better WWE product and choose to voice their displeasure by chanting the name of the competition, that's their choice. Of course, the irony is that we all know historically the only way to get WWE to change is to stop watching the show - a ratings drop of just 1 point (into the mid 2's at this point) on Raw would be a MASSIVE cause for alarm and change of vision at the company. Instead, stagnant ratings put Vince into a shitstorm of a different variety, one in which he tries anything and everything stupid to see what sticks (see: Rosie vs Donald, angles and gimmicks from the 1995-6 WWF era).

So, sure, it's counterproductive, and it does nothing to change what they want to see change. But it's WWE's decision to duck its head and cry like babies about it, instead of trying to adapt the product, or not shove the Bobby Lashleys of the world down our throats. Blame the WWE for lacking the balls to face up to its own mistakes and challenges in the program, not the malcontent fans who grouse about everything.

What's interesting is that this is *crystal clear* evidence that he is afraid of TNA, and he is bothered by VKM. In other words, it is *working*. Precisely what they had in mind.

At any rate, TNA now has about 85% of the ratings of ECW; one show has been growing in the ratings trends very slowly, while the other has been shrinking, also very slowly. I don't think it's gonna take coming up to Raw's ratings level to get Vince and company to panic - it'll happen the very first week TNA beats ECW in the ratings, which could happen as soon as late February, IMO.

Psykoboy2

01-11-2007, 07:24 PM

Speaking of Rosie/Donald, I didn't see ANY media covering it afterwards...anyone else?

Ugamer_X

01-11-2007, 07:32 PM

Speaking of Rosie/Donald, I didn't see ANY media covering it afterwards...anyone else?
It's because no one cared, it doesn't matter though, as they're just building the gimmick up until they can put the real Trump on TV. Supposedly it's going to be some cross-promotion in order to remind people that the Apprentice is starting.

Edit: Actually, I just saw this:
Today on The Howard Stern show on Sirius Radio, Howard played some clips from Monday Night Raw's "Historic" Rosie vs. Trump face off. Howard began playing the clip and immediately asked what happened to Vince's voice, JD (part of the show's crew) came in and explained how Vince was in his "Mr. McMahon" character. Howard played more of the clip where Vince meets Rosie in the dressing room, about 20 seconds in Howard stopped the clip and started going off on how boring the clip was and how he couldn't believe people actually watched wrestling. Stern then played another clip hoping it would be more entertaining, playing the clip where Vince was introducing Rosie to the ring and you could hear Jim Ross commentating as Rosie made her entrance. At this time Stern finally stopped the clip for good, again asking how people actually found WWE entertaining. Some of the other studio crew started to make fun of how bad the WWE clips were and then JD went on to mention how the Rosie vs. Trump match was actually booed by the fans at the arena and how they were loudly chanting "we want wrestlers" during the "match".

The entire time Stern spent discussing WWE was about 2 minutes overall. You could almost sense that Howard was expecting funny material from the WWE clips and was very disappointed when he found it wasn't entertaining. I found it very ironic that even the "King of All Media" (who is widely known for his love and use of adolescent humor) was unable to find any kind of entertainment in WWE's current product.

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 07:33 PM

Apparently Howard Stern watched it for the first time on air and went into a tirade, wondering how anyone could find the WWE entertaining.

Which is either amazing or ironic, considering that I can't bring myself to listen to Stern because he really offends my PC sensibilities with what he calls "humor." :lol:

Scorch

01-11-2007, 07:35 PM

guyver2077

01-11-2007, 07:37 PM

One, who said Demolition Man can do topics? This is the second time he's tried to play the cool kid and make the topics, but sir, you don't have the authority to, and you're definately not cool.

Two.. Konnan? Wtf?

didnt you hear? thread members are taking turns on starting topics...

im next!!!!:evil::lol: now we will see some real interesting topics!

ive already got the perfect candidate...

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/d/discoinferno/04.jpg

JaytheGamefan

01-11-2007, 08:05 PM

That... that is awesome!

guyver2077

01-11-2007, 09:13 PM

man im really behind with tna... havent seen it in weeks

petey is face? wtf

mykevermin

01-11-2007, 10:30 PM

The more I see Team 3D, the more I think that WWE made the right choice in letting them go. Bubba Ray looks like he wouldn't go to a gym if you put a buffet in the middle of it.

This doesn't excuse the WWE's preventing them from using their character names as the Dudleys, but they sure look like a "we had a legendary run, but now's the time to fuck off and take advantage of this company" tag team. They look, physically, like they don't deserve a title match, let alone the belts. And LAX is ultra hot right now; so, of course, 3D will win the goddamned belts because Russo didn't take his adderall.

Brak

01-11-2007, 10:33 PM

JaytheGamefan

01-11-2007, 11:06 PM

After a horrid show last week, I loved tonight's Impact. The first half anyway. Angle vs. MAVERICK Matt provided more wrestling than the entire show last week, and Raven's beak made me laugh. Team 3D showed more passion on a tank than at any other time in TNA, although when it first rode up with a pudgy, goateed white guy in it, I thought VKM was involved. Team 3D declared war on LAX, then they sang. This was great. The six-man tag was also very good considering how little time it was given (or chopped into by TNA's editing crew), and I like that AJ is now the chickenshittiest heel in the world. Mitchell's promo was fantastic, and he almost had me believing that Abyss could've lead one of wrestling's all-time great dynasties, but like Bullet Bob's proclamation of the 4 Live Kru becoming an iconic group in pro wrestling, it's a little too far-fetched to be believed. Other than that, it was a fine promo.

I was a little irked by the Borsah/EY segment, not for the birth control pills, but because Borash was waiting for Team 3D to enter the Impact Zone after they'd already come in, shown up on TV, and did... something to Konnan. The Tomko-Chris Abyss main event was an okay big man match, nothing was really done badly in it, and I was happy to see them protect Tomko so he can be taken seriously as Cage's bodyguard. The first half of the show was much more cohesive than the second, but it was a completely enjoyable show, even if a good deal of that was for all the wrong reasons. Reasons like Mike Tenay shifting through about 20 facial expressions in 10 seconds right before Don West said a single word to him, or the aformentioned Borash/3D thing.

Oh, and Petey turned face by showing himself to be a REAL HERO in Mike Tenay's eyes when he defied LAX, and they whipped his ass as a result. Also, Don West saying "THAT'S SO RAVEN!" ruled.

Zenithian Legend

01-11-2007, 11:37 PM

One, who said Demolition Man can do topics? This is the second time he's tried to play the cool kid and make the topics, but sir, you don't have the authority to, and you're definately not cool.

Two.. Konnan? Wtf?

Apathy is what cause this...

And I was getting ready to do a Konnan topic anyway at the request of a few other posters.

I'll try to stop Guyver from doing a topic though, I hate Goldberg. :razz:

PhrostByte

01-12-2007, 03:43 AM

Ever since Russo came back to TNA it's been looking more and more like late-WCW. Seems as if the planets are all falling into orbit. Our modern day WWE's, TNA's, and WSX's are starting to look like our old WWF's, WCW's, and ECW's.

Edit: Actually I just noticed the irony in what I wrote... Seems as if the WWE of today is least like it's former version. :P

PhrostByte

01-12-2007, 03:48 AM

One, who said Demolition Man can do topics? This is the second time he's tried to play the cool kid and make the topics, but sir, you don't have the authority to, and you're definately not cool.

Two.. Konnan? Wtf?
Authority? Dude who gives a fuck who makes the topic? As long as it's decently written.. and it is, why should anyone care?

guyver2077

01-12-2007, 08:12 AM

I'll try to stop Guyver from doing a topic though, I hate Goldberg. :razz:

Its only a matter of time....

the people have spoken :)

mykevermin

01-12-2007, 08:32 AM

Edit: Actually I just noticed the irony in what I wrote... Seems as if the WWE of today is least like it's former version. :P

If you're saying the current WWE product is enjoyable, bite your tongue. If you're saying that's what seems to be (accidentally) implied by what you wrote, then I can see that.

Authority? Dude who gives a fuck who makes the topic? As long as it's decently written.. and it is, why should anyone care?

Bingo. After page 1 the topic marker doesn't matter anyway.

onetrackmind

01-12-2007, 08:41 AM

Whats with all the beef against Konnan? I've always liked the guy, except for when he had the goofy ass neon suit when he debuted in WCW.

Zenithian Legend

01-12-2007, 08:51 AM

Its only a matter of time....

the people have spoken :)

I'll send out my goons to spear you! Actually I think Goldberg should probably have a topic one day. If for no other reason, then how badly WCW mis-used him after building him up so much.

As we all know it really doesn't matter who headlines, just like the name of the OTT. Although, I'll make another topic if anyone tries to make an Umaga thread :bomb:

Zenithian Legend

01-12-2007, 09:03 AM

Alright guys, one of you needs to find the audio for this shoot with Angle STAT. Assuming it is real...

I was listening to the radio on the way home and Kurt Angle was on it. And lord, Angle was talking about WWE a lot... but this time it was awesome.

First, the guys who were interviewing him said that the Trump and Rosie segment was awful. Angle pointed out that the fans were chanting TNA during it.

Kurt Angle called Triple H and Shawn Michaels both long haired sissies.

Boogeyman was then brought up and Kurt said "Boogeyman eats worms because he can't wrestle."

And finally, this is the kicker. Angle said Batista is a horrible wrestler, and the worst since Ultimate Warrior.

And then the interviewers talked about Batista vs Booker and were saying how Batista couldn't even coordinate with him.

Kurt Angle brought up when they had a real fight backstage a while back. I'm sure you guys remember this. Well here's the nitty gritty that none of us ever got.

Batista was backstage in the lockerroom and said "I am the one carrying this company. I'm probably the best wrestler in this lockerroom. Booker is nothing." Angle said everyone was looking at him like "What are you talking about man? You suck."

So Booker finally goes up to Batista and tells him to shut his mouth or he'll fight him right now. And Angle said Batista just went out of the lockerroom and locked himself in another room for two hours straight while the rest of them cut their Summerslam promotion.

Batista finally came out and called Booker out... and Angle said Booker just knocked the hell out of him in a one sided fight.

The one thing that gets me is Kurt calls Batista the worst since the Ultimate Warrior. When I met Kurt we talked about how he hadn't watched wrestling at all prior to WWE's initial offer back in '96.

Kurt had no idea that Mideon used to be a pig farmer, he had to ask The Undertaker as he didn't believe me when I told him.

I just don't think Kurt would've seen anything that the Warrior did, so how would he know how bad Warrior was when he never wrestled him, nor did he watch Warrior? I know there's dvds and tapes, but still... can anyone picture Kurt spending hours watching Warrior matches?

Now, I'm not defending the Warrior here, we all know he wasn't a great wrestler, but what I am attacking is the credibility of this "radio shoot" so hopefully one of you can find it, and we can see if Kurt really doesn't respect HBK afterall, and assuming the shoot is valid Batista should probably start using Bitchtista as his in-ring name.

mykevermin

01-12-2007, 09:17 AM

Hmm...perhaps. Then again, Warrior is a household name among non-wrestling fans in much the same way Hulk Hogan is. As much as I disdain the guy, *everyone* knows who the Ultimate Warrior is.

In addition, Warrior wrestled in WCW for a time after 1996, so some of his lousy work is contemporary with Angle. Lastly, the WWE does want newbies in the business to watch and study tapes as much as humanly possible, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Angle watching some Warrior tapes for pointers on intensity and...err...intensity's about it, I suppose. Angle, having a decades-long background in amateur wrestling, surely knows what a blowhard shitty wrestler looks like.

Besides, Warrior's poor wrestling ability is legendary...so what you're saying is akin to suggesting that guys today never watched Harley Race wrestle in his prime.

Then again, I think Batista is a big nothin' babydoll primadonna, so I'm bound by the alliance to my biases to believe the story. ;)

EDIT: Wanna play the slowest drinking game in the world? Take a shot every time Batista goes over the top ring rope. You'll be drunk in no time six and a half years!

PhrostByte

01-12-2007, 10:16 AM

If you're saying the current WWE product is enjoyable, bite your tongue. If you're saying that's what seems to be (accidentally) implied by what you wrote, then I can see that.
I'm saying TNA and WSX seem to be more like WCW and ECW than WWE resembling WWF... (meaning current WWE is nothing like it used to be) I guess it was kind of confusing.

guyver2077

01-12-2007, 10:16 AM

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/3961066 (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/divas/divadish/divadish0112) Playing with Fire?

The Internet is hot with rumors that WWE Diva Rebecca is dating Kevin Federline. The ECW backstage interviewer discussed all the intimate details of their relationship in WWE.com’s exclusive new Diva Dish. Continue…
(http://www.wwe.com/superstars/divas/divadish/divadish0112)

KaneRobot

01-12-2007, 10:28 AM

That rules about the cancellation of the press conferences...although ANY time the fans force WWE to deviate from their tightly planned script is great. As stupid and weak as the VKM storyline is, if it causes more disruption and messes with Vince's head as much as it appears to be, all the better. I'm begging SOME company to force at least a little competition here. As much as TNA sucks, I can't wait for the upcoming night it's head-to-head with Raw if for no other reason than it will be great to be able to flip back and forth when one show has something on that I don't care about.

And just for all the "WHAT?!? Who authorized this?!?" posts about this topic being started, I'm going to do one.

guyver2077

01-12-2007, 10:56 AM

And just for all the "WHAT?!? Who authorized this?!?" posts about this topic being started, I'm going to do one.

get in line lol

mykevermin

01-12-2007, 11:08 AM

guyver2077

01-12-2007, 11:11 AM

she is hot though...

Zenithian Legend

01-12-2007, 03:02 PM

get in line lol

That's it... I'm doing a K-fed topic.

KaneRobot

01-12-2007, 04:57 PM

That's it... I'm doing a K-fed topic.

God DAMMIT.

I guess I'm stuck with Arquette now. Or maybe Richard Belzer.

2Fast

01-12-2007, 07:14 PM

We should do a joke wrestling topic, just for shits and giggles. I nominate Road Block.

Sporadic

01-12-2007, 07:15 PM

SECOND HULK HOGAN ON BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE REPORT: COMPLETE, DETAILED LIST OF WWE'S CLASS OF 2007 CANDIDATES FOR HALL OF FAME
by Shawn Ace @ 7:11:00 PM on 1/12/2007

I'm sure you probably got a lot of emails on this, but I thought I'd send another one. Hulk Hogan was just on the Bubba The Love Sponge show and was a bit drunk, and while he was on the air he got a phone call from Vince McMahon's secretary Ann Russo. She wanted to go over the list of names for possible induction into the Hall Of Fame this year. What she didn't know was that Hogan put her on speaker phone so all the names went out over the air. When he eventually told her she was on the air, she said she'd get in trouble and sounded rather shocked.

Anyway, the list of names were (I wrote them down as she
read off the names):

The Von Erichs
Ultimate Warrior
The Original Sheik
Ric Flair
Mr. Fuji
Nick Bockwinkel
Muhammed Ali
Mr. T
Mike Tyson
Howard Finkel
Jim Ross
Ken Patera
King Curtis
Ted DiBiase
Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Honky Tonk Man
Randy Savage
Dusty Rhodes
Dick Ebersol (NBC Executive responsible for creation of Saturday Night's Main Event)
The Wild Samoans
Big Boss Man
Bob Backlund
Rick Rude
The Bushwhackers
Rocky Johnson
The Brooklyn Brawler

Hogan was then asked to pick 10 names, and he said, "the names I pick go into the Hall Of Fame?" He then picked:

Big Boss Man
King Curtis
Dusty Rhodes
Randy Savage
Wild Samoans
Von Erichs
Rick Rude
Bushwhackers

Hogan then he picked Howard Finkel once he got off the phone.

He did say that was a "heat getter" and I can't imagine Vince will be too happy once he finds out. Anyway, it was great radio.

Shawn

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=22325&p=1

Oh, Hogan. You're such a card.

mykevermin

01-12-2007, 07:41 PM

What did King Curtis ever really do for pro wrestling? I only know him as Kevin Sullivan's "higher power," though I think he's from that same era as the original sheik who began the hardcore style.

If there's one person who I'd never ask their opinion of for the HoF, it would be Hogan. The reason why? He'd inevitably suggest Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake, which just shows that he has no fucking clue.

Interesting about the Warrior, though. I'd like to see that for the sheer comedy (which will happen whether or not he appears).

Part of me wants to recommend John Tenta...

Brak

01-12-2007, 07:43 PM

The Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage..?

I'm even more surprised that Hogan listed Savage as one of his choices.

Mike Tyson? Mr. T?

...

JaytheGamefan

01-12-2007, 08:10 PM

King Curtis is easily one of the greatest talkers in wrestling history - his stuff as Sullivan's master didn't even scratch the surface of how great he was. Rebecca is apparently dating Batista, who is going through a divorce with his previously cancer-stricken wife.

KaneRobot

01-12-2007, 09:57 PM

Mike Tyson? Mr. T?

...

"Celebrity wing." Mr. T is pretty deserving in that regard, being in the first WM main event.

What's sad is, Cyndi Lauper was by far the most important celebrity in regards to the "RNW Connection" during the 80's, but apparently she doesn't want to be associated with wrestling. I don't think she would accept the invite to go in.

No Bruno on the list. Christ, couldn't they at least put his name on the list, even if there is no intent to put him in? The Brooklyn Brawler? I hope that's a joke. Maybe Iron Mike Sharpe can induct him, before being brought in himself. Maybe it's an error and he's actually going into the Pat Patterson's Love Slave Hall of Fame.

Curtis Iaukea was fucking AMAZING, but I don't know if he's someone that should be in the HoF. I guess if Nikolai Volkoff is in...

Here's a classic promo from King Curtis. Funny how he can talk about the stuff he's talking about, and still come off more realistic than 90% of the WWE roster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1Z9Dj6tdw

Brak

01-12-2007, 09:57 PM

Mr. Kennedy. :)

JaytheGamefan

01-12-2007, 10:20 PM

Demolition Man

01-13-2007, 12:21 AM

Its only a matter of time....

the people have spoken :)

Yeah. We badly want a...

Fake Razor Ramon and Fake Diesel topic!

Demolition Man

01-13-2007, 12:23 AM

And please, there are already 2 shows with just wrestling and shit storylines, I'm glad this one is going over the top, in order to differentiate itself.

Damn it Roufuss its quotes like this that make me wonder how the hell you consider yourself to be Emo.

mykevermin

01-13-2007, 10:21 AM

Good God was Smackdown incredible tonight. Benoit and Kennedy had their best meeting yet, and it's impossible for Regal and Taylor to have a bad match with Londrick. I was impressed with how good Vito-MVP ended up being, and while much of that was due to the focus on MVP's burnt back, it's also due to MVP acting like a main eventer. He's come a long with in just a few shorts months in WWE, and considering that he took about a month off to sell the back, it's even more impressive. JBL rattled off mentions of Windham, the Bossman slam, Stu Hart, AND Bret Hart tonight, and despite a few being off (Bob Orton Jr. popularized the superplex, not Windham, and Stu never did the sharpshooter, and Tatanka's move is more of a Rock bottom than a Bossman slam, he was still awesome).

The usual assortment of quotes from the show -
"Joey Mercury with a face mask, POSSIBLY FOR PROTECTION!"
"He's not a registered redneck. You need to register to be a redneck? No, but I think he might need to register to be a citizen of this country."
"This is like Brisco vs Strongbow... Brisco was an Indian, so your analogy is all screwed up. Brisco's from Oklahoma, you don't know what he is. Fine, it's like Murdoch vs. Strongbow, over a bottle of moonshine.".
"Are you saying that everyone from Georgia is a redneck? Martin Luther King Jr. was from Georgia, and he wasn't a redneck, he was a great civil rights leader. Ron Simmons was from Georgia, and he wasn't a redneck. Ron Simmons is a good friend of mine. No he's not!".
"I deserve a better partner, but I don't get it, and I don't complain. YOU DESERVE A CYANIDE TABLET IS WHAT YOU DESERVE! If you want that short sidekick back, you can have him.".
"If Vito wins, I'm done. I'm hanging up my boots!".
"If Vito had won, Lou Thesz, Arnold Skaaland, and Jack Brisco would've all committed hari kari.".
[Miz comes out to face 'Taker] "I LOVE IT. Take that you Red Rooster-lookin' reality show reject. BEAT HIM UNDERTAKER, BEAT HIM! Gimmie an 'ooh rah', gimmie an ooh rah now!".

Y'know, I agree on all counts here. I'm going to have to start watching SmackDown more often. It's such a solid wrestling show on all counts - if you want your sports entertainment, you have Vito, UT, and Batista, if you want *wrestling* you have Regal/Taylor vs Kendrick/London (I hope that feuds goes to Summerslam, every damn match they have is a treat), if you want women, they're out there, but not always the centerpiece of the show (nor are they treated with that "puppies" kind of disdain). Then you have enjoyable characters who are also fun wrestlers to watch (Booker, Kennedy).

(I'm really hoping the Untouchables debut soon, and that they keep their gimmick largely intact). Did you all see some commercial transition segments with a blonde woman named Maryse promoting SmackDown? She's an OVW talent, but wouldn't surprise me one bit if she made the jump to SD immediately (and not for her wrestling ability, shall we say).

I'll dare say that SmackDown is close to my favorite wrestling show of the week (just above Impact, and just below OVW).

So, to rank all the wrestling shows I watch per week in preference:
1: OVW
2: SmackDown
3: Impact
4: ECW
5: Raw
6: HWA

The problem with HWA is the "sports entertainment" format, because they're using "not ready for public access" quality performers. It's like you're watching wrestlers train in your home, and none of them are very good, or look very good. Les Thatcher is a great guy and a helluva trainer. He's using no discretion whatsoever in who he puts on TV and what sorts of storylines he does.

OTOH, it occurs that I complain about wrestling more than I ought to. I am really enjoying OVW, SD, and TNA right now - that's 4 solid hours of wrestling on TV, so I have nothing to bitch about. Of course, many of us think of "Raw" as the top show, so if that show sucks, then it may have a trickle down effect.

Lastly, I notice there are two JBLs. If there's not a ethnic/racial stereotype in the ring, he's a great announcer with a immense backlog of wrestling history in his mind (and the fact that he makes up half the shit he says gives him a distinct Heenan quality). OTOH, I *cannot* listen to him at times, and that's usually when a minority charicature is in the ring. He's a very good color man, and isn't trying to be the "cool guy" (and deserves massive credit for that).

PhrostByte

01-13-2007, 01:05 PM

Y'know, I agree on all counts here. I'm going to have to start watching SmackDown more often. It's such a solid wrestling show on all counts - if you want your sports entertainment, you have Vito, UT, and Batista, if you want *wrestling* you have Regal/Taylor vs Kendrick/London (I hope that feuds goes to Summerslam, every damn match they have is a treat), if you want women, they're out there, but not always the centerpiece of the show (nor are they treated with that "puppies" kind of disdain). Then you have enjoyable characters who are also fun wrestlers to watch (Booker, Kennedy).

(I'm really hoping the Untouchables debut soon, and that they keep their gimmick largely intact). Did you all see some commercial transition segments with a blonde woman named Maryse promoting SmackDown? She's an OVW talent, but wouldn't surprise me one bit if she made the jump to SD immediately (and not for her wrestling ability, shall we say).

I'll dare say that SmackDown is close to my favorite wrestling show of the week (just above Impact, and just below OVW).

So, to rank all the wrestling shows I watch per week in preference:
1: OVW
2: SmackDown
3: Impact
4: ECW
5: Raw
6: HWA

The problem with HWA is the "sports entertainment" format, because they're using "not ready for public access" quality performers. It's like you're watching wrestlers train in your home, and none of them are very good, or look very good. Les Thatcher is a great guy and a helluva trainer. He's using no discretion whatsoever in who he puts on TV and what sorts of storylines he does.

OTOH, it occurs that I complain about wrestling more than I ought to. I am really enjoying OVW, SD, and TNA right now - that's 4 solid hours of wrestling on TV, so I have nothing to bitch about. Of course, many of us think of "Raw" as the top show, so if that show sucks, then it may have a trickle down effect.

Lastly, I notice there are two JBLs. If there's not a ethnic/racial stereotype in the ring, he's a great announcer with a immense backlog of wrestling history in his mind (and the fact that he makes up half the shit he says gives him a distinct Heenan quality). OTOH, I *cannot* listen to him at times, and that's usually when a minority charicature is in the ring. He's a very good color man, and isn't trying to be the "cool guy" (and deserves massive credit for that).
I don't get OVW or HWA but I agree with the rest of your list. However, when it comes to PPV's, I'd say TNA puts on the best show, with SmackDown following. Impact has the potential to be a top show but they simply cram too much into an hour. Since Russo has been writing, TNA has had about 2 hours worth of story lines packed into a one hour show, while SmackDown and RAW tend to concentrate on a few central story lines. Also, can't wait for WSX debut, it looks great.

guyver2077

01-13-2007, 01:34 PM

well i might go check out that access tour in a few hours...

worth it just to see layla

mykevermin

01-13-2007, 01:45 PM

I don't get OVW or HWA but I agree with the rest of your list. However, when it comes to PPV's, I'd say TNA puts on the best show, with SmackDown following. Impact has the potential to be a top show but they simply cram too much into an hour. Since Russo has been writing, TNA has had about 2 hours worth of story lines packed into a one hour show, while SmackDown and RAW tend to concentrate on a few central story lines. Also, can't wait for WSX debut, it looks great.

I wish I had the knowledge and time to convert OVW from my tivo to a wmv file. If I can get it onto my iMac, I'm pretty handy with iMovie. Dunno how to get it on my computer, though.

guyver2077

01-13-2007, 01:46 PM

I wish I had the knowledge and time to convert OVW from my tivo to a wmv file. If I can get it onto my iMac, I'm pretty handy with iMovie. Dunno how to get it on my computer, though.

how come no one hosts these shows anyways? i never see it on torrent sites..

mykevermin

01-13-2007, 01:56 PM

how come no one hosts these shows anyways? i never see it on torrent sites..

I don't think it's shown outside of markets in the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky area, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who haven't thought about it or tried it.

Psykoboy2

01-13-2007, 05:01 PM

Agreed...Smackdown is one of the first times in a long time that I didn't FF through a single match. I TiVo all my wrestling shows so I don't have to endure the shit they throw out there, but SD this week was all worth watching.

Zen Davis

01-13-2007, 06:54 PM

Out of curiousity, what do you guys think of this match?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2868434211634381317&q=roh+joe&hl=en

Sporadic

01-13-2007, 07:19 PM

Out of curiousity, what do you guys think of this match?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2868434211634381317&q=roh+joe&hl=en

I dig it, it's a good combo of comedy and wrestling.

-------------

So, who's looking forward to Wrestling Society X?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=etocOwImtXc

It should be a pretty decent alternative to WWE/TNA

Brak

01-13-2007, 08:21 PM

I'm gonna catch it, but something tells me MTV will fuck it all up.

guyver2077

01-13-2007, 08:25 PM

well that was pretty interesting.. layla was hugely over of course.... long ass line to get autograph but i didnt feel like goin through it.

they had 360's with smackdown for everyone and the usual fan fest stuff

we even had a few tna and goldberg chants

Brak

01-13-2007, 08:28 PM

Out of curiousity, what do you guys think of this match?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2868434211634381317&q=roh+joe&hl=en
That was a very good show.

guyver2077

01-13-2007, 08:40 PM

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PhrostByte

01-13-2007, 08:51 PM

I don't think it's shown outside of markets in the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky area, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who haven't thought about it or tried it.

Yea I figured people in that area don't have computers :lol: But seriously, if you ripped it and uploaded it to pwt, I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate it. I'd definitely download and check it out. I don't know how Tivo works but if it rips it raw can't you just use a divx or xvid encoder? I'm sure they have those for Mac, although I dunno I'm a PC man myself.

guyver2077

01-13-2007, 09:03 PM

mean genes gonna be here tomm... i might go cuz i have to go buy some stuff at the mall anyways...

Psykoboy2

01-13-2007, 11:49 PM

Random searching on Wiki came up with this on Goldberg's page:

On Jan. 13 WWE.COM announced that Goldberg (along with Brock Lesnar ) had signed a 5 year contract to wrestle on ECW

Never mind. This looks to be bogus. I guess Wiki isn't the end-all be-all I thought it was.

Sporadic

01-14-2007, 12:17 AM

Psykoboy2

01-14-2007, 01:07 AM

Yeah..I was being sarcastic about Wiki, however...I'll be sure to check before posting next time.

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 03:26 AM

Demolition Man

01-14-2007, 03:27 AM

Boy oh boy I tell you the first thing I think of when I think of ECW is Goldberg. ;)

mykevermin

01-14-2007, 01:01 PM

Out of curiousity, what do you guys think of this match?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2868434211634381317&q=roh+joe&hl=en

Possibly the worst Joe match I'd ever seen live (I'm somewhere in the third row, probably not in camera view). Ebessan was really disappointing.

But "worst Samoa Joe match" is like saying you got a "lousy blowjob," y'know?

mykevermin

01-14-2007, 01:03 PM

Zen Davis

01-14-2007, 01:15 PM

Possibly the worst Joe match I'd ever seen live (I'm somewhere in the third row, probably not in camera view). Ebessan was really disappointing.

But "worst Samoa Joe match" is like saying you got a "lousy blowjob," y'know?
As a comedy match, I found it infitely more entertaining than that hackjob Trump vs. Rosie comedy bout they had the other night. I actually saw Joe live the week prior when he won the pure title from Jay Lethal in NYC and then got his ass handed to him by the Rottweilers.

NEWS ON PUNK:

Punk is currently in the doghouse as he disagreed with the layout of the Elimination Chamber match with Arn Anderson and Michael Hayes who were the producers for it. For last week's ECW T.V., Dave Lagana had written that Punk should get Holly in his vice finisher and Holly should turn over, grab a rope and pin Punk.

In the production meeting when the T.V. was being put together, the whole room turned on Punk when Lagana told them his idea. Arn Anderson especially was against him, saying that Holly should make Punk pay his dues as he's just "Heyman's guy" and not any good so Holly shouldn't need to cheat to pin him. Anderson also said Punk was only over because Heyman fluked it and it shouldn't be happening. Punk was personally told by Anderson that "after 14 years on being on WWE televison, Holly is the bigger star" as an explanation why the heel should pin the babyface clean. The actual finish was came up by Finlay.

Additionally, while of course Heyman is a fighter when it comes to trying to get his ideas over, the new ECW writer Dave Lagana is more of a laid back guy who just wants to go with the flow, so Anderson and Finlay have had a much easier time getting Punk booked to look weak.

It was also reported that Punk's first loss was originally going to occur through a ref bump-type screwjob, but Finlay and Anderson once again got the match changed to the clean loss for Punk.

KaneRobot

01-14-2007, 05:31 PM

As a comedy match, I found it infitely more entertaining than that hackjob Trump vs. Rosie comedy bout they had the other night. I actually saw Joe live the week prior when he won the pure title from Jay Lethal in NYC and then got his ass handed to him by the Rottweilers.

NEWS ON PUNK:

Punk is currently in the doghouse as he disagreed with the layout of the Elimination Chamber match with Arn Anderson and Michael Hayes who were the producers for it. For last week's ECW T.V., Dave Lagana had written that Punk should get Holly in his vice finisher and Holly should turn over, grab a rope and pin Punk.

In the production meeting when the T.V. was being put together, the whole room turned on Punk when Lagana told them his idea. Arn Anderson especially was against him, saying that Holly should make Punk pay his dues as he's just "Heyman's guy" and not any good so Holly shouldn't need to cheat to pin him. Anderson also said Punk was only over because Heyman fluked it and it shouldn't be happening. Punk was personally told by Anderson that "after 14 years on being on WWE televison, Holly is the bigger star" as an explanation why the heel should pin the babyface clean. The actual finish was came up by Finlay.

Additionally, while of course Heyman is a fighter when it comes to trying to get his ideas over, the new ECW writer Dave Lagana is more of a laid back guy who just wants to go with the flow, so Anderson and Finlay have had a much easier time getting Punk booked to look weak.

It was also reported that Punk's first loss was originally going to occur through a ref bump-type screwjob, but Finlay and Anderson once again got the match changed to the clean loss for Punk.

The best line in the Observer regarding that story is Meltzer's reaction to the 14 years line - "That's actually brilliant wording to make a point in that hierarchy even if there is nothing to it." Couldn't have said it better myself (although I may have used better punctuation). No one knows who Bob Holly is. The few who do know who he is don't give a shit about him. But dammit, he's been around for a decade and half, so it MUST be a good idea for him to beat Punk to "teach him a lesson," right?

....right?

Sigh.

An even better line followed that up though, and Meltzer hits it on the head again:

"This business has changed 180 degrees since I was a kid. It used to be that the promoters booked to make money and the fans were the marks. Now the people in the business are the marks."

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 05:49 PM

whens that mtv show supposed to air?

mykevermin

01-14-2007, 05:51 PM

That's really interesting to see Finlay acting like that, though it's not surprising to find out that old school guys want to do things the old school way.

Even if the old school way hasn't meant anything for decades. :roll:

Why couldn't Bob Holly get the Billy Gunn treatment ("look, we know you've been here longer than everyone but the Undertaker, but creative has nothing for you right now, so we gotta let you go")? NOBODY in the history of mankind ever gave a fuck about Bob Holly, and I can't believe that anyone would argue that Bob Holly was over with any crowd. That's pretty much the worst argument ever. although failing to stand up and say, laughingly, that anyone who argues that Bob Holly is over is amazingly full of shit, is even weaker than trying to claim that.

CaseyRyback

01-14-2007, 06:24 PM

Because Bob Holly is smart enough to know better than to marry another dude on live television. If Billy Gunn never did that I bet he would still be in the WWE.

And is anyone going to order Final Resolution? They have a habit of putting this PPV on at a bad time. Why they insist on putting it up aganist 24 and the playoffs boggles the mind. For a PPV stacked with an amazing line up they must not like money (they should have this PPV come on the week after the conference championships). If I wasn't going to watch 24 I may have went in for half of the PPV with a friend, but since 24 is free I will watch that instead.

Sporadic

01-14-2007, 06:26 PM

whens that mtv show supposed to air?

January 30th at 10:30 PM

Worth watching just for Human Tornado http://youtube.com/watch?v=z17NzdoFrQo

mykevermin

01-14-2007, 06:33 PM

Because Bob Holly is smart enough to know better than to marry another dude on live television. If Billy Gunn never did that I bet he would still be in the WWE.

Somehow I don't think telling WWE creative you aren't gonna do what they want you to is a ticket to success. It worked for the kilq, though.

If I had to guess, it would be that just like the Acolytes, Bob Holly is used for that frat-like "hazing" new guys go through. Billy Gunn probably isn't (1) as tough as Holly or (2) as stiff as Holly, so he was expendable. Holly, OTOH, serves to remind people of their place in the company.

Makes me think of the two weeks (was it even that long?) where the Public Enemy was in the WWF years ago (after ECW and their first WCW run); The Dudley Boyz *paid the price* for PE's arrogance by being thrust into a long and dirty feud with the Acolytes - since both were ECW teams, they were put in the ring with veterans to see what they were made of. Holly's the same way (which is why it's a bit of schadenfreude, but still godDAMN funny, that Holly broke his neck trying to bully Brock Lesnar and make him look bad).

And is anyone going to order Final Resolution? They have a habit of putting this PPV on at a bad time. Why they insist on putting it up aganist 24 and the playoffs boggles the mind. For a PPV stacked with an amazing line up they must not like money. If I wasn't going to watch 24 I may have went in for half of the PPV with a friend, but since 24 is free I will watch that instead.

Nah. Some really good matches, but I ordered Turning Point (or whatever the last one was), and don't have the money to order another until around WrestleMania time.

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 07:26 PM

tna bout to start!

pre show is on

hollys highest moment was main eventing and jobbin to lesnar

bob backlund is on tna!

why would anyone vote via txt msg at 99c a piece.. wtf is the point

wat happ to naturals? chase stevens vs hoyt pre show match

also winner tonight with joe angle will get title shot next month

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 08:17 PM

great opening match between styles and rhino

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 08:39 PM

funny to see nash and backlund together

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 08:46 PM

big fat oily guy is hilarious

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 09:02 PM

holy shit shelly and starr are in overtime

everymatch so far been entertaining

Brak

01-14-2007, 09:24 PM

Holly's the same way (which is why it's a bit of schadenfreude, but still godDAMN funny, that Holly broke his neck trying to bully Brock Lesnar and make him look bad).
I was just going to bring that up.

As mentioned by others, "Who the fuck cares about Bob Holly?"

JaytheGamefan

01-14-2007, 09:25 PM

I'm stunned that Shelley actually won a match in TNA, on PPV no less.

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 09:27 PM

tna tna tna!!!

o lord..... talking about chyna lol

fuck the women lol

what was the point of that

Sporadic

01-14-2007, 10:10 PM

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=22325&p=1

Oh, Hogan. You're such a card.

Now with audio.

http://www.supload.com/sound_confirm.php?get=1051472339.wma

guyver2077

01-14-2007, 10:46 PM

holy shit this main event got interesting,,,

wow sting with a nice unprettier

looks like next month's main even is a wwe main event

christian vs angle

good ppv

CaseyRyback

01-14-2007, 10:58 PM

The booking overall from the PPV seemed to be really good IMO.

Cage and Angle should be a money fued. Joe might have come off badly in the fued with Angle, but I think it is going to lead to a great set of matches later in the year between the two for the title.

Shelly and Rhino needed wins badly as they were coming off like glorified jobbers, so this should help make them look like they aren't always going to walk away with the L (maybe saying it is a step in the right direction would be a better way of phrasing it).

Hopefully Senshi and Sabin end up in a fued and play upon the fact that he never got a rematch after dropping the title at BFG. This would leave Daniels and Lynn to fued for a while biding time until RVD finally shows up.

mykevermin

01-14-2007, 11:00 PM

Anyone know when RVD's contract is up?

Zen Davis

01-14-2007, 11:03 PM

Brak

01-14-2007, 11:25 PM

Anyone know when RVD's contract is up?
Not soon enough.

(I thought it was February-ish?)

KaneRobot

01-15-2007, 12:14 AM

Not soon enough.

(I thought it was February-ish?)

Not sure, but it's this year sometime.

I think it's pretty obvious he's going to jump, which should be another nice little shot in the arm for TNA that they will surely squander and waste immediately.

Really, I'm all for some "important" guys going to TNA, but until they get Russo the fuck out of there, it will all be for nothing. Bank on it.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 12:18 AM

Not sure, but it's this year sometime.

I think it's pretty obvious he's going to jump, which should be another nice little shot in the arm for TNA that they will surely squander and waste immediately.

Really, I'm all for some "important" guys going to TNA, but until they get Russo the fuck out of there, it will all be for nothing. Bank on it.

Ehh...it's always obvious until the guy signs a new contract. I'm skeptical he'll jump, to be honest.

Didn't watch the Rosie/Donald thing on Monday, but heard about the "TNA" chants. The only worthwhile thing about this clip is the segue to Vince, and his facial expression. He's clearly less enthusiastic than he was when hyping up the showdown between Ace Steel and whoever was Rosie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czwpn_ADN0s

neocisco

01-15-2007, 12:41 AM

I just caught the last couple minutes of George Michael's Sports Machine. He did a profile on Angle. I turned it on midway through and they showed a clip of Angle/ Benoit's cage match where Kurt missed the moonsault off the top of the cage. There were giving a brief summary of the last couple of years for him. At about the same time he admitted his pill addiction in early 2005 his sister died of a heroin overdose (quiet, Phrostbyte). Kurt's side was that Vince wouldn't allow him the time off to let his neck heal. Then they talked about how he left WWE and went to TNA, showing footage of Kurt hitting Joe with a German. Kurt also said that he might still want to have one fight in either UFC or MMA. He stated that he had a lot to lose with his Olympic reputation and being "the greatest wrestler of all time" (his words, give or take a preposition). IMO, Kurt's obsessiveness about competition comes through pretty clearly to those who have followed him in pro wrestling. Anyway, anybody on Central time or later should check it out. It was on at midnight on the NBC affiliate but check your local listings.

Zen Davis

01-15-2007, 12:54 AM

The torrent for the PPV is already up.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 12:58 AM

i still cant believe they devoted so much time to that rosie trump "match"

i wonder when wwe will officially acknowledge tna exists

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 01:24 AM

i wonder when wwe will officially acknowledge tna exists

Count on never until (never going to happen) TNA starts to overtake them.

Thongsy

01-15-2007, 01:25 AM

Hell, Nightline even did a thing on celebrity feuds and had a clip of the Trump/Rosie thing from RAW. I miss the old Nightline.

Demolition Man

01-15-2007, 01:54 AM

Oh fuck yeah!

Christian is the champ again!

Christian (my friends) Is TNA!

Brak

01-15-2007, 01:57 AM

Oh fuck yeah!

Christian is the champ again!

Christian (my friends) Is TNA!
To quote Steven Colbert:

I called it!

Brak

01-15-2007, 02:01 AM

Demolition Man

01-15-2007, 02:08 AM

Russo is doing SOME stuff right let's give credit where its due. Stuff like the PCS tournament, the whole mystery behind Abyss, and making the Joe vs Angle fued (even if it was rushed) feel important really has helped TNA.

But on the other side of the coin stuff like the VKM (and Hemme right now while at it) only reminds us of how dumb Russo can be. Do we really need this kind of trailer trash WWE-eque crap in TNA? Especially after BG James poking fun at the whole Rosie/Donald match just moments prior to that.

I guess its really 50/50 if you look at it like that. Yeah Russo can do a lot of things right and when he does its great. But he does a lot of things wrong too. That is why ultimately there needs to be someone working alongside Russo much like Vince McMahon did who can filter the good from bad. I feel that person could be Paul Heyman. I'd love to see that happen, but realistically most likely it won't. You never know these days about anything in that regard tho. Especially if those rumors of Cornette and Russo getting along are true.

Matt Young

01-15-2007, 03:57 AM

I forgot I had this picture. In August, I had to shave off my beard for a job, and I took a pic of myself with just a Hulk Hogan moustache before shaving it all off. Yeah. Looks terrible, as you'd expect.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/MattYoung/Hogan.jpg

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 04:24 AM

So Finlay and Double A are booking ECW? No wonder why it sucks, the sooner Finlay dies of old-age the better SD & apparently ECW will be.

Double A is a shitty booker too, just ask Scott Hall.

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 04:48 AM

This is one more reason why Bob Holly will never get elevated to main event status even in ECW, while Test on the otherhand apparently already has:

Before his match with RVD at the 1/6 Smackdown/ECW house show in Terre Haute, Indiana, Hardcore Holly spit a mouthful of water into the face of 'Sign Guy'. Although, he held up a sign that read "I hope you got some talent for Christmas" in front of Holly. 'Sign Guy' is the guy who often appears at WWE shows with some creative signs and always wears a red hat and mechanic's shirt. He was featured on WWE Confidential a few years back, not to mention a recent issue of WWE Magazine.

This wasn't Holly's only incident before the match because apparently, two front-row fans were tossed from the building for touching Holly, even though they only patted him on the back. Holly told security to throw them out after he challenged them to touch him again.

During the same house show, 'Sign Guy' held up a poster in front of Test that read "The best body chemicals can buy", with a large needle being injected into a photo of Test. Test laughed it off.

It's really too bad Holly didn't have to have his arm amputated, then he could just stay home annoying himself, instead of pissing on some of the few remaining people actually willing to pay to see ecw at this point.

onetrackmind

01-15-2007, 08:53 AM

glad to hear Shelly finally got a win

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 09:16 AM

It's really too bad Holly didn't have to have his arm amputated, then he could just stay home annoying himself, instead of pissing on some of the few remaining people actually willing to pay to see ecw at this point.

Do you know the guy who Holly spit on? He's like the WWE-version of the ECW crowd; he's literally at *every* live event, front row.

Spitting water on someone isn't a big deal, IMO, even if it's Holly who did it. Holly should go to church and praise Jesus that someone remembered who he was and wrote a sign about him, truth be told.

Y'know, I was thinking about the booking of the Holly/Punk match, and while I would never argue that Holly is a star, I wonder if we're all biased in saying how "over" Punk is. He's a fun wrestler to watch, sure, and the one true new star in ECW. But if he's such a goddamned star, why are ECW's ratings sinking to TNA Impact! levels? They're half of what they were in June, merely six months ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if TNA would start beating ECW with some consistency, ratings-wise, by March. It's hard to argue someone is a star when nobody's watching the show they're on, in other words.

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 09:25 AM

Do you know the guy who Holly spit on? He's like the WWE-version of the ECW crowd; he's literally at *every* live event, front row.

Spitting water on someone isn't a big deal, IMO, even if it's Holly who did it. Holly should go to church and praise Jesus that someone remembered who he was and wrote a sign about him, truth be told.

Y'know, I was thinking about the booking of the Holly/Punk match, and while I would never argue that Holly is a star, I wonder if we're all biased in saying how "over" Punk is. He's a fun wrestler to watch, sure, and the one true new star in ECW. But if he's such a goddamned star, why are ECW's ratings sinking to TNA Impact! levels? They're half of what they were in June, merely six months ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if TNA would start beating ECW with some consistency, ratings-wise, by March. It's hard to argue someone is a star when nobody's watching the show they're on, in other words.

You think the guy getting spit on was a plant? Er I guess not really a plant in this sense as he's have been there already, but pre-informed of what was going down here. Did this make it on TV?

I don't really watch ECW anymore, so I have no clue.

I've always disliked Holly though, never met him, nothing personal, but I've drawn up my own conclusions from all the backstage stories that the guy is probably a dick. Given the choice of injuring someone to advance his own career, I think Holly would do it.

This whole nonsense is, however, starting to help me warm to CM Punk. Now might not be a bad time to turn him heel though, with RVD and Lashley as the top faces, and Testicles the only worthy top heel. How sad.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 09:41 AM

You think the guy getting spit on was a plant? Er I guess not really a plant in this sense as he's have been there already, but pre-informed of what was going down here. Did this make it on TV?

A plant? No, given the lack of attention it's gotten, and by virtue of the fact that it would be a great idea from a creative standpoint. I'm just saying spitting water in people's face isn't a big deal, even if the guy doing it is a grade-A asshole.

People probably clamor to get in HHH's direction when he spits water (probably an apples/oranges comparison, though).

Speaking of plants, I would love to see an angle like that - knowing the way the internet works, why not use that kind of gossip on a storyline? Have two wrestlers arguing loudly in the parking lot before a show; have agents like Dean Malenko and Skinner throw so-and-so out of the building, and his bags after him. You *know* that nerds hang outside of the building looking for a glimpse of anyone or anything, so why not use them to your advantage? Use the messageboards and net sites to further your angle - not only is it more interesting, it's free advertising. "OMG I saw Chris Masters screaming at Jeff Hardy in the parking lot!" or "I saw Torrie Wilson grinding on Chris Masters at the dance club!" (I personally think that the Masters/Carlito feud won't go anywhere until Torrie leaves Carlito for Masters). Add depth to the show; if your wrestlers don't want to play their character in public, or work like that, then they can go work for pennies on the dollar in TNA and the indies. It's just so goddamned common sense, y'know?

Midnite

01-15-2007, 09:43 AM

I'm stunned that Shelley actually won a match in TNA, on PPV no less.

That right there was moment of the night for me as well as my friends watching the PPV. We all completely marked out, Christian winning was unexpected, just glad they didn't give the belt back to Sting.

KaneRobot

01-15-2007, 10:12 AM

Y'know, I was thinking about the booking of the Holly/Punk match, and while I would never argue that Holly is a star, I wonder if we're all biased in saying how "over" Punk is.
He's not as over as Cena or The Undertaker or Batista, but he is a PERFECT example of one of the VERY few "new faces/up and coming" guys the crowd cares about that should absolutely be protected. It's fucking disturbing that they didn't learn the lesson they did with Van Dam, who was over like CRAZY when he showed up during the Invasion and was still on the rise, but had his legs cut out from under him by management so he could "adapt the WWE style" and "learn the real way to do business" and other mark-for-yourself/this-is-more-real-than-you-think bullshit.

I couldn't care less if Punk jobs to Kelly Kelly at this point since I stopped watching ECW weeks ago, but it's pathetic that they put the need to "maintain locker room ettiquite" over making money and creating a buzz about someone new that the crowd has taken a liking to.

But if he's such a goddamned star, why are ECW's ratings sinking to TNA Impact! levels?
Probably because the show sucks and is treated like a second-rate brand. You said it right there - TNA Impact levels. Impact has one of the most recognizable pro wrestlers on the planet main eventing right now and it hasn't done shit for ratings.

FWIW - According to the WO, even though he was pissed about the crowd reaction (and "blamed the fans" for it bombing), Vince loved the Trump-Rosie thing. Jesus Fucking Christ, will someone put this deluded, out-of-touch old man out of his misery?

CaseyRyback

01-15-2007, 10:36 AM

I wouldn't say Impact has done shit for ratings. It takes a while to build up a company to the point of where people start watching. You can't just get the new hot star and expect a huge increase right off the bat. They have done well enough where they are close to getting a second hour and are competitive with TUF in terms of ratings (sometimes doing better).

In regards to CM Punk booking, I think he is over and could have been the new face of ECW. They used to constantly show signs for him with the Pepsi symbol and he almost always gets a good sized pop. Ever since the Elimination Chamber match they have been trying to minimize his appeal and instead of booking someone who people like as a title contender they leave him in the mid card. One could say TNA does the same thing with Joe, but Joe was lighting up the X-division where as CM punk ends up fueding with Mike Knox and Holly (and is in line to get the heavyweight title).

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 10:38 AM

You said it right there - TNA Impact levels. Impact has one of the most recognizable pro wrestlers on the planet main eventing right now and it hasn't done shit for ratings.

That's a good point, but the difference is that Angle has main evented multiple PPVs, been on the shows when ratings were high, was a part of the shows successes. Punk has been on one national TV show for 5 months, and a show that has had steadily declining ratings.

I'm not saying Punk isn't over, but that we may be overestimating how much fan interest there really is. We may be exactly right, though, that he's being held back by petty politics and company idiocy that values some ill-enforced concept of respecting company elders instead of taking into account the things the fans genuinely want to see. It sure seems probable that he'll suffer for being the guy Heyman pushed and pushed to get on the air and make a star.

But that's not to say that he's anywhere in Angle's league at this point in his career in terms of fan interest. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 11:01 AM

You eat breakfast? Really into the apples and oranges thing today...

Anyhow, I definitely agree with the Carlito/Masters bit. Unfortunately, it probably isn't going to happen. Remember when Trish turned on Jericho at WM, costing him his "brother vs brother" match or whatever it was with Christian (Heh, remember when Edge & Christian were billed as brothers?) THAT was good booking. Not gonna happen now though. I'd love to see Torrie spit an apple in Carlito's face at WM, but I seriously doubt these two are given a singles match in Detroit. Probably be apart of some clusterfuck MITB type match that neither has any legitimate shot of winning.

I've always thought that the writers should create fake controversial situations backstage and feed the "spies" bullshit information so people would stop believing everything the wrestling dirt sites report.

Speaking of... what happened to Monty Brown coming to WWE? Waiting for the Rumble? Might not hurt to have that guy on Raw now with the H's out.

Zen Davis

01-15-2007, 11:17 AM

Part of me believes that this news is an attempt of getting heat on Holly. You never know what WWE will do.

My main problem with the company is that they refuse to do what's good for business and support their fans. The ignore the fans that want to watch wrestling and try to do things that amuse themselves. RVD could have been amazing for ratings, but they cut him off. Tajiri had exciting ring presence when he first got to the WWE and they buried him. They had the most amazing roster for forever and they just squandered it to make themselves laugh (Katie Vick).

The product isn't as bad as when Evolution was around, but at this point I refuse to watch WWE. If Vince is only going to book for Vince, then Vince can have his RAW, Smackdown, and ECW brands. I'll stick to TNA and the other indies.

Psykoboy2

01-15-2007, 12:18 PM

Speaking of wrestling dirt sites...what are they? Where do YOU go for news/dirt/rumors?

Genocidal

01-15-2007, 12:39 PM

I mostly just idle in #wrestlingdb on EFnet because there's a bot in there that announces news posts from wwe.com, tnawrestling.com, pwtorch.com, slam.canoe.ca, wrestlingobserver.com, and pwinsider.com (maybe another site or two).

KaneRobot

01-15-2007, 12:42 PM

That's a good point, but the difference is that Angle has main evented multiple PPVs, been on the shows when ratings were high, was a part of the shows successes. Punk has been on one national TV show for 5 months, and a show that has had steadily declining ratings.

I guess it's pretty hard to tell if it matters, since Punk has been nowhere near main event on ECW outside of the Elimination Chamber. He gets main event (for ECW, anyway) reactions, but is on the Holly/Knox level on the card. That's another "apples to oranges" element of comparing him to Angle, obviously. We've seen what happens when Angle is the main attraction, we don't know with Punk because they won't let him be any closer than arm's length from a top spot.

So yeah - hard to tell if it matters, but it certainly wouldn't have HURT to have taken advantage of his popularity.

My main problem with the company is that they refuse to do what's good for business and support their fans. The ignore the fans that want to watch wrestling and try to do things that amuse themselves.
I agree, and that's why I really enjoy the rare occasions when they are FORCED to go off-script because the fans won't accept anything else (turning Hogan face after his match against The Rock, semi-acknowledging Goldberg and Lesnar leaving after their match, hiring back Matt Hardy, etc).

I really wish I knew what it would take to wise Vince up. It's hard to tell where it went wrong. I find it hard to believe Stephanie by herself could drag the product down as far as it is, but maybe that really is the case.

We're not quite at 2000 WCW levels as far as nonsensical storylines/dead ends go yet. Having said that, even in its dying years, WCW usually put on a few outstanding matches on the undercard. WWE often doesn't even deliver THAT. Jeff Hardy vs. Johnny Nitro loses some of the appeal after you see it for the 6th time in 2 months, you know?

Call me nuts, but I can't WAIT for Wrestling Society X. To quote someone I saw on another board "it looks like every indy promotion ever puked in a bucket labeled WSX, and that is definitely awesome."

Sure, it could be awful, but the promo on MTV's website looked like a lot of fun. As long as they tone down the special effects for the pyros/explosions, and make it look a little bit less "polished" like TNA in the future, who knows? Maybe it'll turn out ok.

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?vid=127565

Make no mistake, Human Tornado is goofy enough and has just enough of a "cult following" online to become really popular if featured correctly. Teddy Hart could also break out here, and goddamn I loved the Jack Evans INHALER spot. Oh, and New Jack is in it too, so I'm sure they'll do something with him as well.

As long as MTV doesn't flush it immediately, I would NOT be surprised to see this thing outdraw ECW running head-to-head within a few weeks if it doesn't suck. This may be what "ECW II" should have been. I hope so.

themoor666

01-15-2007, 04:40 PM

Make no mistake, Human Tornado is goofy enough and has just enough of a "cult following" online to become really popular if featured correctly. Teddy Hart could also break out here, and goddamn I loved the Jack Evans INHALER spot. Oh, and New Jack is in it too, so I'm sure they'll do something with him as well.

Speaking of Tornado, he won the PWG World Championship Saturday night. He's fucking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAA6dc9GAFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5FJM9igcUs

PhrostByte

01-15-2007, 05:15 PM

Another excellent PPV.

Rhino/AJ - great match. Rhino picks up the win but makes AJ look like a better heel in the process. Second favorite match of the night.
X-Division 3 way - decent. Lynn looked ok in the ring. He's in pretty good shape but his ring work was somewhat toned down. Daniels looked as good as always, Sabin comes out of the match getting good heel heat, much like AJ.
PCS finals - not only a great match but hilarious skits as well. Another bowling trophy and both guys come out not only looking very strong but further the story line as well. Favorite match of the card.
Williams/Storm - pretty good match wrestling-wise but seemed to lack something, passion? Ring chemistry? I don't know... I guess the constrast in body type and ring styles ruined it for me.
VKM segment - best promo to date I think. Said some very relevant things that I (as well as many of you) have been thinking all along. Hemme was overacting a bit.. but she had some relevant points as well.
Team 3D/LAX - I wasn't expecting much and didn't receive much. I like Hernandez at all, but Homicide isn't exactly the best at dealing with 300 lb. guys. The AMW/LAX fights were a lot better. I guess it was as good as it could have been.
Joe/Angle - pretty damn good match. I admit I got kind of bored of it.. but the last few minutes were exciting. I'm glad that Angle won even though I predicted Joe getting the better of him. At least Joe came out looking strong, that's all that matters, since we all know Joe is the one that's going to take Angle's title in about 6 months.
3 way NWA title match - surprisingly good. Glad Christian won even though I wanted Abyss to retain, at least the story line's been furthered. I hope they use RVD right if he ever jumps. I'd like to see him in both the main event and in X-Division matches.

and cisco? That sucks about Angle's sister... I think we can all agree people need to learn to party safer. :)

JJSP

01-15-2007, 06:52 PM

Speaking of Tornado, he won the PWG World Championship Saturday night. He's fucking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAA6dc9GAFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5FJM9igcUs
PWG REPRESENT!

So surprised there's another PWG fan here. That's awesome.:applause:

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 06:57 PM

I have a dream.

A dream that Raw won't suck massive balls tonight.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7540/ihaveacrymetimedreamiy9.jpg

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 07:01 PM

where the fuck is monty fucking brown

Demolition Man

01-15-2007, 07:03 PM

where the fuck is monty fucking brown

PWInsider.com reported today in fact that....

Steven Fernandes sent these items. ... WWE.com has updated their lineups for the New Zealand tour next month. Now, they only advertised 2-3 matches for each show and the rest are scheduled to appear. Anyway, Monty Brown is mentioned with the ECW talent scheduled to appear. They removed Great Khali and Daivari (for obvious reasons) as well as Mike Knoxx from the original lineups. They also included Sylvester Terkay, Elijah Burke and Trinity in the updated lineups. Meanwhile Test was never in the original lineup nor in the updated lineup. Also, WWE.com has a poll for a new Edge T-shirt. They all have the "R" logo, and a couple of new (at least new to me) slogans "Crude, Lude and Tattoo'd" and "I am not your damn role model".

getmeoutofjoliet

01-15-2007, 07:07 PM

WWE.com has a poll for a new Edge T-shirt. They all have the "R" logo, and a couple of new (at least new to me) slogans "Crude, Lude and Tattoo'd" and "I am not your damn role model".

Awesome, I love/have all the Rated R merchandise. I'd buy all four if they printed them.

Demolition Man

01-15-2007, 07:11 PM

Off topic but getmeoutofjoliet don't I know you from another forum?

Bestbuysux.org that is.

SIUfan

01-15-2007, 07:12 PM

Hey guys. It's been a while. IMO WWE will stay the same old shitty shows week in week out and Vince will stay on top unless someone is ballsy enough to start another ratings war. By ballsy I mean look at the type of shit Bischoff did back in the day. Until then, we will be bitching about the same things. Even though I didn't like Bischoff, he is the one that fueled Vince's fire. There is no fire now, and won't be for a while. Someone needs to step up to the plate. Does anyone care to agree/disagree with me?

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 07:15 PM

Awesome, I love/have all the Rated R merchandise. I'd buy all four if they printed them.

While, as a grammarian, I resent the "lude" mishap, I think I resent the "tattooed" part more. He has a generic-ass sun on his shoulder, which is probably less ink than most sorority chix (with their stupid "asshat" lowerback tattoos) have.

He's about as tattooed as Chris Masters is organic.

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 07:18 PM

While, as a grammarian, I resent the "lude" mishap, I think I resent the "tattooed" part more. He has a generic-ass sun on his shoulder, which is probably less ink than most sorority chix (with their stupid "asshat" lowerback tattoos) have.

Didn't he just get a new tattoo?

Something like a giant black star?

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 07:22 PM

I must have not noticed it because it was so tiny. :lol:

Edit: You sure you aren't thinking about the fact that his left shoulder has a coverup piece on it? I know it's a couple years old by now, but it still looks a bit different.

Seriously, though, compared to nobodies like Shannon Moore and CM Punk, as well as somebodies like Batista and Rey Mysterio, Edge can't claim the "tattooed" moniker, IMO.

I'm probably forgetting a few other people; not to mention around 75% of all the OVW trainees at the show (identified by their tans, OVW shirts, and the fact that they were the dudes setting up and taking down the ring) were covered in various states, from white trash Phil Anselmo/Henry Rollins style to the more detailed AFI-esque sleevework.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 07:23 PM

cool looks like ufc games are coming back..
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/755/755489p1.html

getmeoutofjoliet

01-15-2007, 07:25 PM

Off topic but getmeoutofjoliet don't I know you from another forum?

Bestbuysux.org that is.

Wha?!? another GMOOJ?!?!

I just shopped at best buy today! For the first time in like 5 years lol!

While, as a grammarian, I resent the "lude" mishap, I think I resent the "tattooed" part more. He has a generic-ass sun on his shoulder, which is probably less ink than most sorority chix (with their stupid "asshat" lowerback tattoos) have.

He's about as tattooed as Chris Masters is organic.

I really just like the overall design of t-shirts and stuff, what is "lude"?
I really like that all my friends think Rated-R superstar is just a designer brand. :lol:

ohh... Lewd.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 07:26 PM

I'll bet WWE is *thrilled* that THQ picked up the UFC license.

This is another gesture that indicates they'll end up with EA sooner later.

ohh... Lewd.

Indeed.

kmartbum001

01-15-2007, 07:35 PM

brock lesnar will be back

Brak

01-15-2007, 07:36 PM

brock lesnar will be back
Probably not.

At least, not in the WWE.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 07:38 PM

fuck man.. they should of resolved their damn problems already..

i wonder what vince offered brock when they met

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 07:39 PM

Brak

01-15-2007, 07:41 PM

Edge - at least for me - will be forever metaphysically tattooed with "WHO CARES?". Right on his forehead.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 08:00 PM

Edge - at least for me - will be forever metaphysically tattooed with "WHO CARES?". Right on his forehead.

got dat right

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 08:25 PM

Kurt Angle was injured during last night’s Iron Match against Samoa Joe, suffering a concussion after being kicked in the head at TNA’s Final Resolution PPV. Angle was in a considerable amount of pain after the match and spent a good amount of time on the ring apron before being helped backstage. Angle told his colleagues that there are parts of the match that he doesn’t even remember, although he was feeling better later in the evening.

Kurt turned 38 last month. I hate to say it but I don't see him making it to 50.

Also, Monty Brown hasn't appeared because WWE wants him to rehab his injured knee. He's also supposed to debut as a heel for whatever that's worth. Ask and ye shall receive!

JaytheGamefan

01-15-2007, 08:30 PM

fuck man.. they should of resolved their damn problems already..

i wonder what vince offered brock when they met
WWE offered Brock a very low deal, which Brock used as evidence against WWE in their trial, and it reportedly played a big role in Brock winning his case against WWE, as it showed that their claim of "irrepairable harm" due to him working was invalid.

If Kurt Angle lives to see 40, I'll be surprised.

neocisco

01-15-2007, 08:55 PM

McMahon showing a clip of MLK, that's irony. Going back to 24 now.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 09:00 PM

holy shit styles vs angle this thursday

Brak

01-15-2007, 09:06 PM

McMahon showing a clip of MLK, that's irony. Going back to 24 now.
Yeah.

Let's see how Cryme Tyme negates that montage.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 09:10 PM

god maria looked retarted doing that

Brak

01-15-2007, 09:12 PM

god maria looked retarted doing that
:rofl:

Edit: She looks like an ass wrestling, too.

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 09:16 PM

:rofl:

Edit: She looks like an ass wrestling, too.

but she's so damn cute ^_^

JaytheGamefan

01-15-2007, 09:17 PM

Styles vs. Angle on Impact? AJ's gotta be ecstatic, he mentioned that's a dream match of his last night on WOL.

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 09:26 PM

Team RKO is the greatest thing ever.

GuilewasNK

01-15-2007, 09:32 PM

Well that was a fairly gratuitous AXE commercial.

2Fast

01-15-2007, 09:34 PM

The name "Kenny Dykstra" still makes me giggle.

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 09:37 PM

The best part about Raw this week is the only entertaining bit happened mainly during a commercial from 24.

Hardy vs Nitro is just about all Raw has going for it at this point, even with horrible (un-trained?) women wrestlers tossed in the mix, Hardy & Nitro still have great chemistry. I almost want to see them (Jeff & Nitro) unite instead of Matt & Jeff. Damn shame the feud between these two has pretty much gone everywhere it possibly can. The sad part is, they'll probably both be tossed in the MITB match at WM (assuming there's another one) and the IC title won't even be defended at the biggest ppv of the year.

JaytheGamefan

01-15-2007, 09:47 PM

"Donald"'s letter to Vince was awesome, and I loved Vince acting like he didn't care about the Apprentice, when that show is the only reason this is happening.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 09:47 PM

hope we get some tna chants

Genocidal

01-15-2007, 09:53 PM

The sad part is, they'll probably both be tossed in the MITB match at WM (assuming there's another one) and the IC title won't even be defended at the biggest ppv of the year.Par for the course these days. There hasn't been an IC title match at WM since X8, which IMO is part of the reason that belt has lost importance in recent years.

Genocidal

01-15-2007, 09:54 PM

:lol: Truer words have never been spoken, Vince.

Sporadic

01-15-2007, 09:56 PM

I'm loving this angle.

Hopefully it leads to Vince completely losing touch with reality.

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 09:59 PM

Hey, Carlito is speaking the truth, hot damn!

Carlito... major push... no... won't happen.

PhrostByte

01-15-2007, 10:00 PM

Hopefully this is part of Carlito's rise to main event status.

craven_fiend

01-15-2007, 10:01 PM

I'm loving this angle.

Hopefully it leads to Vince completely losing touch with reality.

Where have you been, didn't do that a few years ago?

GuilewasNK

01-15-2007, 10:01 PM

Did Khali just say fuck you?

MorbidAngel4Life

01-15-2007, 10:01 PM

Khali ruins good segments.

Brak

01-15-2007, 10:05 PM

Hopefully this is part of Carlito's rise to main event status.
Probably not. I have a feeling it was a one-night job for building up Khali... when they could have used this to build up Carlito. You know... because building up Carlito would be better for the company, and they wouldn't want to do that, or anything.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 10:14 PM

There hasn't been an IC title match at WM since X8.

Thanks. I was wondering that as horsey was hypothesizing the MITB match.

Haven't watched much Raw yet, as I decided I wanted to get in some serious side quest action in Twilight Princess (captured 22 of 24 "golden bugs" only to find out I can't access the final two until later in the game...:lol:). Hopefully it's not terrible; I like how they're promoting the Cena/Umaga feud (as if they were two people feuding on a pro wrestling show). I don't care for the participants, but I hope this is a signal of a desire to "return to basics" in WWE programming.

Zenithian Legend

01-15-2007, 10:15 PM

Par for the course these days. There hasn't been an IC title match at WM since X8, which IMO is part of the reason that belt has lost importance in recent years.

In the words of Farooq... DAMN!

Has it really been that long, that's just awful.

Lessee here:

WM 19 - the title was retired for God knows what reason :roll:
WM 20 - Orton helped Evolution beat the Rock n Sock connection instead of defending his title in a one on one match. I blame the Rock here, shoulda just been Foley vs Orton, oh well.
WM 21 - Benjamin was thrust into a MITB match that pretty much signaled his downfall. It was around that point we found out Shelton would never get elevated up the card. Benjamin shoulda faced someone like Benoit in a 1 on 1 match instead, IMO.
WM 22 - Again Benjamin holding the strap, again Benjamin not defending it, again Benjamin in a MITB match that he had no realistic shot of winning.

Hey, maybe Jeff can face Benjamin at WM 23, so Shelton can FINALLY get his WM IC title match! Won't happen, it'd be a good match though methinks.

Demolition Man

01-15-2007, 10:21 PM

Yes Yes Yes!!!

DAMN!
DAMN!
DAMN!

Brak

01-15-2007, 10:21 PM

Ron Simmons?

Lame.

Masters better beat him, or else they'll throw something they've been "building up" for no fucking reason. Again.

Edit: 'Bout fuckin' time they did something with Super Crazy.

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 10:24 PM

well they went back to crazys old theme

Zen Davis

01-15-2007, 10:25 PM

This sucks. I'm only waiting for Ric Flair to turn on HBK.

GuilewasNK

01-15-2007, 10:27 PM

Yes Yes Yes!!!

DAMN!
DAMN!
DAMN!

:lol:

Zen Davis

01-15-2007, 10:30 PM

This sucks. I'm only waiting for Ric Flair to turn on HBK.

Hey look! I'm eating crow!

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 10:33 PM

Coach: Maybe your battery needs to be recharged?
Vince: There's nothing wrong with my batteries!

:rofl: Pretty cute inside joke.

GuilewasNK

01-15-2007, 10:34 PM

Coach: Maybe your battery needs to be recharged?
Vince: There's nothing wrong with my batteries!

:rofl: Pretty cute inside joke.

?

I missed it.

Demolition Man

01-15-2007, 10:36 PM

Some huuuuuuuuuge wrestling news...

January 15, 2007
For Immediate Release

United Wrestling Federation (UWF) Signs Amy Dumas for Selected Events in 2007

The United Wrestling Federation (UWF), owned by NASCAR driver and SPEED broadcaster Hermie Sadler announced today the signing of Amy Dumas, formerly known as "Lita" during her days in the WWE, to a contract for selected dates during 2007.

"This is another example of our commitment to bring the very best in professional wrestling to our fans, which is what they are accustomed to", stated UWF President Hermie Sadler. "We are excited to have Amy as a part of our company. This will be great for us and our fans." The date of Dumas' debut will be announced next week.

The UWF currently has tickets on sale for its first two shows of 2007 that will take place February 2 in Wilson, NC and February 3 in Wilmington, NC. Talent featured for those shows include Team 3-D, Scott and Rick Steiner, and others. For more information on the UWF and its events, visit www.uwfusa.com.

And here are the TNA spoilers:

TNA returned to Orlando, Florida tonight to tape Impact and Xplosion at Universal Studios. Richard Trionfo called in the following results:

Xplosion:

*Alex Shelley defeated Jay Lethal in a good match.

Impact 1/18:

*Sting, sans makeup, attacked Jim Mitchell and threw him into the trunk of a car.

*Backstage, Team 3D was entering the building. Brother Ray talked about how they were screwed in the past by other wrestlers and promoters but never by other family members. He tells Brother Runt not to get involved in their match tonight.

*NWA Tag Team champions LAX defeated Team 3D after Moody Jack handed Hernandez a slapjack to use on Ray. Runt came out during the match but Ray brought him to the back.

*Backstage, Abyss was in a rage over Jim Mitchell missing. They cut away to Jacqueline and Gail Kim brawling backstage.

*They did a sitdown interview with Christy Hemme. She said that women deserve respect. Kip James tried to get involved and take over the interview for Jeremy Borash, but BG James played peacemaker.

*NWA champion Christian Cage comes to the ring to cut a promo. Kurt Angle comes out. Cage says he has an "anger management coach". Angle asked who, dropping Bill Goldberg and Brock Lesnar's names, but Cage wouldn't say, leaving it as someone who would help him get into Angle's head.

*In a taped vignette, Sting had taken Jim Mitchell to the prison of Abyss' past. He demands to know Abyss' secret and Mitchell refuses to tell him. Sting handcuffs him to the fence.

*James Storm defeated Lance Hoyt. Dale Torborg and AJ Pierzynski interfere. After the match, Gail Kim and Jacqueline (wearing a Ms. Texas sash) brawl. Storm lays out Kim. Petey Williams hits the ring for the save but is hit with a superkick and laid out.

*Backstage, AJ Styles is interviewed about Kurt Angle and calls him a baby.

*Kurt Angle pinned AJ Styles after an Olympic Slam on a steel chair. Tomko came out to ringside to try and distract Angle. After the match. Christian Cage hit the ring for a 3 on 1 attack of Angle. Rhino hit the ring and chased Styles off. Samoa Joe came to the ring and stared off with Angle as Cage and Tomko backed off. Cage asked Angle if he had a clue yet, insinuating he had hired Samoa Joe.

*Sting arrives at the Impact Zone and calls out Abyss trying to find out the secret. Abyss refuses and Sting says he will find out for himself.

Impact 1/25:

*Samoa Joe comes out and says he's going to be an unofficial enforcer. Kurt Angle comes out and warns Joe not to get in his way. Christian Cage comes out and says it's not Joe he hired and Angle will get another clue later.

*Rhino fought Raven to a no contest when AJ Styles, dressed in Raven's suit, attacked Rhino with a steel chair.

*In a non-title match, Jerry Lynn defeated TNA X-Division champion Chris Sabin, Senshi, and Austin Starr in a Four-Way match when Lynn pinned Sabin with a sunset flip.

*Sting promo: He reveals the secret. Abyss once shot a man in the back three times. The man, who was Abyss' father, survives and is in a coma. Abyss attacks Sting and they brawl.

*NWA champion Christian Cage pinned Christopher Daniels. Samoa Joe came out to watch the match. After the bout, Kurt Angle comes out and he goes face to face with Joe.

Xplosion:

*Sonjay Dutt fought Chase Stevens to a no contest after Shane Douglas came out and threw Stevens into the ring steps.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 10:43 PM

?

I missed it.

EDIT: Per psykoboy's advice, I think it was alluding to the biggest claims leveled against Vince, that he's out of touch with the audience and worn down from decades of work.

Some huuuuuuuuuge wrestling news...

What's huge about Lita working for an indie fed?

GuilewasNK

01-15-2007, 10:44 PM

HHH might be the only person I ever heard of who has torn both his quads. Very weird.

Psykoboy2

01-15-2007, 10:47 PM

It was in the segment where Vince first read the "letter from Donald."

No...the inside joke is what I think he meant.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 10:49 PM

Looks like they're setting up Batista/Undertaker at WM, and they're gonna have UT win the Rumble to get there.

CaseyRyback

01-15-2007, 10:51 PM

I love how they confiscated DX signs and someone in the front row just held one up.

JaytheGamefan

01-15-2007, 10:51 PM

Vince tore both of his quads as well, and I think it's cool that Lita will be working UWF shows. It'd be a bit neater if they were still TNA-branded shows, but oh well. They'll still be available on DVD via Highspots. I might buy the upcoming Steiners-Team 3D DVD.

GuilewasNK

01-15-2007, 10:54 PM

guyver2077

01-15-2007, 10:58 PM

When did this start happening?

that was quite funny.. they had security go around and take dx signs.... and you can see some guy in the crowd respond with a suck it

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 11:02 PM

I was hoping nobody quoted me on that before I deleted the message. Serves me right for watching Raw on Tivo delay and trying to have a conversation about it. :lol:

Psykoboy2

01-15-2007, 11:04 PM

I'm on TiVo delay as well, so I know what ya mean.

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 11:07 PM

Why the hell did the ref DQ call for the bell during the main event? I've never seen anyone DQ'ed for bringing a chair into the ring and not yet using it. what the hell?

Psykoboy2

01-15-2007, 11:18 PM

I still don't get the inside joke thing about the batteries you mentioned.

Care to explain?

mykevermin

01-15-2007, 11:27 PM

"Recharging one's batteries" is a euphemism that people say when they feel that their worklife or homelife is suffering as a result of exhaustion.

We say things like "I need to relax and recharge my batteries" when we plan vacations and getaways; the deviation from our normal routine staves off boredom, exhaustion, and productivity problems that come as the result of working too damn hard.

So, Coach saying that to Vince came across to me as a subtle joke suggesting that Vince is exhausted and needs to "recharge his batteries." One glance at Raw or ECW can show you that "his work," in terms of WWE programming, has really been suffering for quite some time.

Brak

01-16-2007, 12:11 AM

Looks like they're setting up Batista/Undertaker at WM, and they're gonna have UT win the Rumble to get there.
I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that'd be a severely lame match.

2Fast

01-16-2007, 12:15 AM

I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that'd be a severely lame match.

Especially if UT loses. 'Taker puts on a good match when you don't give him a big oaf like Batista to work with.

mykevermin

01-16-2007, 12:23 AM

Especially if UT loses. 'Taker puts on a good match when you don't give him a big oaf like Batista to work with.

Eh...'takers really picky with guys he'll make look good. I don't understand how he thinks these things through, but while I'd argue that he pretty much made Orton look like a chump during their feud, and Kennedy's doing allright, he made a nobody John Cena (before the rapper gimmick) look like a million bucks several times over. His match last year with Angle shows that, if you put him with a fantastic wrestler, Taker will show you precisely why he is so highly regarded. Speaking of which, has he ever wrestled/feuded with Benoit? I can't think of any extended feud, but I can't help but think surely Benoit's jobbed out to UT before. Seeing what he did with Angle makes me think that a Benoit/UT feud (with Benoit playing the heel, of course) would be a delight to watch unfold.

That's not to say that I think UT needs to be in a different spot right now, because he is helping solidify Kennedy in a top-tier spot.

As for UT/Batista being an ugly match...well, sure. It is Batista, after all. Seeing what UT could (well, couldn't, really) do with guys like Khali, Kamala, and Giant Gonzalez make me cringe at the prospect of an UT/Batista match. It will be a huge seller for the WWE, I'd never argue that it was not a match people wanted to see. From the standpoint of being a good and entertaining wrestling match, my hopes would be very low.

Brak

01-16-2007, 12:28 AM

Undertaker did a gentleman's job of putting a pre-established star over in the WWE.

I'm talking about DDP, of course.

And I'm being sarcastic as shit.

Genocidal

01-16-2007, 12:29 AM

Sounds like one of the worst possible courses of action, IMO, so it's likely they'll do it. I guess they want to give Taker a Rumble win, as checking the wiki he's never won it, but having his streak ended by Batista? If anyone beats UT at Wrestlemania (which, in my opinion, they shouldn't) it should be someone who has a potentially long future in the business. Batista's already pushing 40, I can't see him being the guy that carries the company on charisma alone.

guyver2077

01-16-2007, 12:30 AM

Speaking of which, has he ever wrestled/feuded with Benoit? .

they had a great feud in s vs r 07!!!!!!!:D