Gabe Newell reviews the Wii and PS3...

[Zen Davis]

The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It’s really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I’d say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a “do over”. Just say, “This was a horrible disaster and we’re sorry and we’re going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it”. The happy story is the Wii. I’m betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I’m crazy. I really like everthing that Nintendo is doing. Ouch.

http://gonintendo.com/?p=11654

[jalu6]

A shame, since I have so far been uninmpressed with how FPSs have handled on the Wii.

[mwynn]

I site called Go Nintendo praising Nintendo, will wonders never cease?

[SMMM]

A shame, since I have so far been uninmpressed with how FPSs have handled on the Wii.

Wait till Metroid...Nintendo's usually the one that showcases how to do something, then all the 3rd parties follow suit..

I site called Go Nintendo praising Nintendo, will wonders never cease?

It's from Game Informer(Gabe Newell, to be exact), you dumbass. GoNintendo is just a blog reporting it.

[Zen Davis]

I site called Go Nintendo praising Nintendo, will wonders never cease?

Actually that was Gabe Newell praising Nintendo. Go Nintendo was just reporting it.

[mwynn]

It's from Game Informer(Gabe Newell, to be exact), you dumbass. GoNintendo is just a blog reporting it.
Wow name calling on a forum for no reason, will wonders never cease.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Wait till Metroid...Nintendo's usually the one that showcases how to do something, then all the 3rd parties follow suit.. So true.

In other news, it's nice when someone makes it very obvious that they will never have anything intelligent to add. Ever.

Ignore +1.

[Zen Davis]

Wow name calling on a forum for no reason, will wonders never cease.
Wow trolling on a forum for no reason, will wonders never cease.

[schuerm26]

Actually that was Gabe Newell praising Nintendo. Go Nintendo was just reporting it.

Is that in a game informer that has already come out, or a future one?

[Roufuss]

Gabe Newell is a disaster... I don't ever really take him seriously when he's criticizing anyone else.

The man can't even get out 4 - 6 hour long "expansion packs" out on a timely basis. Half Life 2 was good but he's riding on the coat tails of that shit so much and acting like people actually cares what he has to say.

[rabbitt]

Such a fresh viewpoint.

[VanillaGorilla]

Gabe does know that the 360 has Halo 3 coming, right? I think that's probably gonna help sell systems, more so than Metroid Prime Wii and Super Mario Galaxy.

[6669]

(I entered this thread with my flame shield equipped)
I've never heard of this guy before, but I do think he's overshooting his predictions. It would be an even bigger disaster if Sony just "cancel it and do a 'do over'"

[Roufuss]

(I entered this thread with my flame shield equipped)
I've never heard of this guy before, but I do think he's overshooting his predictions. It would be an even bigger disaster if Sony just "cancel it and do a 'do over'"

Gabe Newell is the guy who made Half Life and Half Life 2... he had one big hit and I'm pretty sure that's all he's ever really made so, essentially, he's just a one hit wonder with a big mouth.

[6669]

Gabe Newell is the guy who made Half Life and Half Life 2... he had one big hit and I'm pretty sure that's all he's ever really made so, essentially, he's just a one hit wonder with a big mouth.
Oh, thanx Oofie. I thought maybe he worked for a pro-Nintendo company or something.

[terribledeli]

I'm glad to see Newell is still an asshole.

Its funny, he praises the Wii but I haven't heard of Valve showing any interest in creating something for it. If the PS3 is such a disaster, why allow your intellectual property to grace it? If he wanted to be a real gaming community champ, he should just cancel Half Life 2 bundle for the PS3 since he feels its a disaster.

But he won't. Deep down inside he's just a grubby money whore that believes telling us what we want to hear is the right thing to do.

[dastly75]

I'm not sure if he does any actual developing, he seems to be more a director or manager or something. Kind of a public relations type although he did found Valve. Also Half-Life 2 is definitely my favorite single player FPS experience so far.

That said, that's a pretty stupid statement that he said.

[RedvsBlue]

I'm glad to see Newell is still an asshole.

Its funny, he praises the Wii but I haven't heard of Valve showing any interest in creating something for it. If the PS3 is such a disaster, why allow your intellectual property to grace it? If he wanted to be a real gaming community champ, he should just cancel Half Life 2 bundle for the PS3 since he feels its a disaster.

But he won't. Deep down inside he's just a grubby money whore that believes telling us what we want to hear is the right thing to do.

What would be mildly amusing is if Sony did a nice middle finger back at him by refusing to certify the Half Life 2 pack for PS3.

[coolz481]

Gabe does know that the 360 has Halo 3 coming, right? I think that's probably gonna help sell systems, more so than Metroid Prime Wii and Super Mario Galaxy.


A $50-100 price cut is going to sell more 360s, not Halo 3. And really, how many new gamers is another Halo going to bring in at this point for Microsoft? I would think most shooter fans would already be on board with two different Call of Duty games, the new Tom Clancy games, and Gears of War.

[VanillaGorilla]

A $50-100 price cut is going to sell more 360s, not Halo 3. And really, how many new gamers is another Halo going to bring in at this point for Microsoft? I would think most shooter fans would already be on board with two different Call of Duty games, the new Tom Clancy games, and Gears of War.Halo 3 is like Madden or GTA, idiot fratboy jackoffs will buy a 360 just for that game. You don't think there are people out there who are holding off on buying a 360 until the week/day Halo 3 comes out? Trust me, there are.

[sarausagi]

Since this isn't the Wii forum, and not technically thread crap, I'll just state my opinion that the 360 is underrated [it is an incredible console] and that the PS3 gets criticism it doesn't truly deserve. I'll also add that if any single piece of consumer electronics was overhyped and overrated: it's the Wii. Then again, we live in a society where people think it's "innovative" for Apple to release an mp3 player with no screen and small memory, and sell it for near $100. Likewise, Nintendo can repackage an aging system, give it a fancy controller, and people will scream "revolution"

http://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/332123-A.jpg

[Kayden]

Maybe Gabe should just shut the hell up and get Team Fortress 2 out 6 years ago like he promissed.

[dastly75]

a fancy controller, and people will scream "revolution"



I don't care what you call it, it's damn fun.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Gabe Newell is the guy who made Half Life and Half Life 2... he had one big hit and I'm pretty sure that's all he's ever really made so, essentially, he's just a one hit wonder with a big mouth. One idea, two hits. And they are regarded as two of the best games ever.

But does that keep him from sounding like an idiot for saying sony should scrap the PS3 at this point? Not a bit. :lol:

[Roufuss]

One idea, two hits. And they are regarded as two of the best games ever.


He's a one trick pony, in my book... until he makes something NOT called Half Life or using a Half Life engine, we'll see if he really has talent. Look at all the great developers... they've made multiple games in multiple genres. Gabe Newell has made two games in one genre, whores them out for all eternity, and people pay him mind like what he says is important.

It's almost like he's scared to branch off into ANYTHING else... and yea, they are regarded as good games (imo, Half Life 1 was great, HL 2 really didn't have the same impact) but Gabe Newell and his team just sucks. Like Kayden said, they have been working on Team Fortress 2 for a millenium now, and Half Life 2 Episode 2? You mean to tell me it's taking them as much development time as a full length game to put out a 4 hour long booster pack?

Half Life Episode 1 was ok, but nowhere near the hype or the amount of time but into it.

I'll give props to the Gravity Gun, but that's about it, because the story in these games is fucked six ways to Sunday and without the Gravity Gun and physics, HL 2 really didn't trend any new ground at all (I prefer F.E.A.R to HL 2).

That's not even going into his piece of shit Steam and the DRM he forces down people's throats on RETAIL COPIES of games... him, criticizing Sony? That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

[KaneRobot]

Gabe Newell is a disaster

This is the most accurate thing written in the thread so far.

[jer7583]

I don't know about gabe newell's credibility, but you can't argue with his statement on basis of his impartiality.

For him to say something like that praising a system he has no stake in developing for, while trashing a system that they have a fairly big project in the works for, must mean something is not working well for Valve about PS3 development.

Or he could just be bizonkers, who knows.

[CaseyRyback]

I find it funny that Gabe trashes the PS3 when it is the only console that allows for modding. UT2K7 is probably going to be a rude awakening for all the PS3 bashers.

And instead of wasting time bitching about what console he likes, he should get his ass to work and add CS:S and DOD:S to the Half-Life collection that is supposed to come out this summer.

[shipwreck]

I find it funny that Gabe trashes the PS3 when it is the only console that allows for modding. UT2K7 is probably going to be a rude awakening for all the PS3 bashers.

I haven't looked into the differences yet, but I don't think UT2K7 will do much for the PS3 bashing since it is coming to X360 as well. I'm not much into mods and I'd rather play it on Live, so I really don't think it will be some huge positive for the PS3.

[terribledeli]

Or he could just be bizonkers, who knows.

He is

Not wanting to incur the wrath of forum goons like ourselves, PR folks just run with it. Remember Tycho's speech at PAX when he bitched about the PS3's cost? The sole reason he did that was because he knew it is what we wanted to hear. If he walked out and said "Guys, $600 isn't too much. Especially for us. Hell, we could get one for free probably", the audience would have turned on him. So instead, he slams the price and everyone cheers. And everyone continues to pay $20 for Gabe's face on a shirt.

Same applies to Newell's statements. If he said "Well, the tools aren't very good but the system has some potential", everyone would accuse him of being in Sony's pocket because we've decided to make Sony bashing a sport.

As I stated in my other post, if Newell wants to be a real stand up guy...shit can the PS3 version of Half Life bundle. If he thinks the system is going to fail, why spend the cash (albeit EA's cash) to release the game?

[Maynard]

Since this isn't the Wii forum, and not technically thread crap, I'll just state my opinion that the 360 is underrated [it is an incredible console] and that the PS3 gets criticism it doesn't truly deserve. I'll also add that if any single piece of consumer electronics was overhyped and overrated: it's the Wii. Then again, we live in a society where people think it's "innovative" for Apple to release an mp3 player with no screen and small memory, and sell it for near $100. Likewise, Nintendo can repackage an aging system, give it a fancy controller, and people will scream "revolution"

http://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/332123-A.jpg i love you finally someone with the same thoughts. Wii was SO overhyped and still is. Luckily for them there are floods of kids, teenagers, adults, even the god damn elderly are interested in this hype box. The PS3 is sorta the same thing too.

[epobirs]

What would be mildly amusing is if Sony did a nice middle finger back at him by refusing to certify the Half Life 2 pack for PS3.

Not going to happen. Sony and the PS3 need Valve far more than Valve needs the PS3. The Xbox 360 could cover their console market needs just fine, especially since its installed base is concentrated in regions that have the greater interest in Valve's games.

When Newell complained about the shift to multi-core processors, that included everything in the range of platforms Valve is likely to support, including the PC. He was just voicing what the entire industry was quietly grumbling about. But Valve didn't sit around waiting for others to fix the problem. They instead made a considerable investment in tools to exploit multi-processor platforms.

But that still cannot fix the ugly nature of the PS3's rushed redesign after the Cell concept failed to deliver as needed for the original design.

[epobirs]

Gabe Newell is a disaster... I don't ever really take him seriously when he's criticizing anyone else.

The man can't even get out 4 - 6 hour long "expansion packs" out on a timely basis. Half Life 2 was good but he's riding on the coat tails of that shit so much and acting like people actually cares what he has to say.

Few games have produced as much longterm revenue from so few SKUs as the Half-Life titles. Half-Life was still a strong seller long after nearly everything else from the same period had disappeared from retail. That commands a lot of respect in an industry that typically has to spend many times as much on multiple projects for the same kind of revenue. A small number of games that do excellent business always beats a parade of forgettable minor hits.

[Zen Davis]

I don't know about a number of people in the thread and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this guy is familiar with what esthethics of all three consoles, much more than anyone in this thread. I respect what he has to say and I agree on the perception that the PS3 has been a disaster. Carmack has said essentially the same thing without going as far as to saying that Sony should do it all over again.

[Kaijufan]

I find it funny that Gabe trashes the PS3 when it is the only console that allows for modding. UT2K7 is probably going to be a rude awakening for all the PS3 bashers.
That could always change. It's not like Sony has a history of saying one thing and doing another. ;)

[shipwreck]

I don't know about a number of people in the thread and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this guy is familiar with what esthethics of all three consoles, much more than anyone in this thread. I respect what he has to say and I agree on the perception that the PS3 has been a disaster. Carmack has said essentially the same thing without going as far as to saying that Sony should do it all over again.

Well with your consistent pro-Wii posts that take small jabs at the 360 and PS3 it's quite shocking that you agree with him. :roll:

[CaseyRyback]

That could always change. It's not like Sony has a history of saying one thing and doing another. ;)

Epic were the one's that said it.

And Shipwreck, UT lives off the user content. It makes a huge difference IMO that without the content the game won't be near as good as it could be. People love to toy around with that engine and it leads to a lot of great maps and changes to the gameplay that keeps things fresh well after release.

[shipwreck]

Epic were the one's that said it.

And Shipwreck, UT lives off the user content. It makes a huge difference IMO that without the content the game wouldn't be nearly as good as it is.

The PC community knows this. The console community does not. There are still distinct lines between the two and this is why I don't think UT will make much difference in what people think of the PS3.

UT might end up selling better on the PS3 than on the 360 though, simply because Microsoft is putting out the Halo 3 beta which is going to canabalize the sales of any other multiplayer first-person shooters released on the 360 between now and when Halo 3 actually comes out. Plus I think the PS3 version may still be coming out first and there are not as many shooters to pick from on the PS3 yet.

Of course this is all my opinion, but I just don't see UT2K7 as this big game that is going to change people's opinions on the PS3.

[Zen Davis]

Of course this is all my opinion, but I just don't see UT2K7 as this big game that is going to change people's opinions on the PS3.

I agree that UT2K7 isn't going to change much, especially since the Japanese are rarely into games first person shooters. What Sony really needs is something that can appease everyone and I really haven't seen that game yet.

[evanft]

Lock please.

[Vinny]

I don't like how PC game makers comment on consoles unless they're developing for it. It's nowhere near as bad as one of the guys behind Duke Nukem Forever saying the Wii will flop.

I'm guessing Gabe played the Wii and found it fun. But ask him what would be a good concept for the Wii and he'd probably say: "Uh... HL2 w/ Wiimote controls?".

Though unoriginal, I wouldn't mind if it controlled well.:D

[Kaijufan]

Epic were the one's that said it.

And Shipwreck, UT lives off the user content. It makes a huge difference IMO that without the content the game won't be near as good as it could be. People love to toy around with that engine and it leads to a lot of great maps and changes to the gameplay that keeps things fresh well after release.
I do think it's a cool idea, but I'll believe it when I see it happening.
I have to agree about the user content in Unreal. I have a ton of UT 2k4 maps I've downloaded, maybe even more then are included in the game. It's great to have so much new content. If Sony and Epic are able to do it with 2k7 on the PS3 more power to them and the PS3 version of 2k7 will deserve higher sales then a possible 360 version that doesn't let us add user content.

I don't like how PC game makers comment on consoles unless they're developing for it. It's nowhere near as bad as one of the guys behind Duke Nukem Forever saying the Wii will flop.

I'm guessing Gabe played the Wii and found it fun. But ask him what would be a good concept for the Wii and he'd probably say: "Uh... HL2 w/ Wiimote controls?".

Though unoriginal, I wouldn't mind if it controlled well.:D
How do we know he isn't working on a Wii game?

[trq]

Lock please.

Pretty please. I grow tired of cheapassgamefaqs.

[Roufuss]

How do we know he isn't working on a Wii game?

Like Vinny said, if he was, it would just be Half Life 2 with Wii controls ;)

[FriskyTanuki]

Like Vinny said, if he was, it would just be Half Life 2 with Wii controls ;)
You mean Elebits?

[RedvsBlue]

You mean Elebits?

That's what I was gonna say until I realized the physics in Half-Life 2 don't feel quite as floaty.

[Thomas96]

Watch this:


"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It’s really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I’d say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a “do over”. Just say, “This was a horrible disaster and we’re sorry and we’re going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it”. The happy story is the Wii. I’m betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I’m crazy. I really like everthing that Nintendo is doing. "

now apply that same statement to that piece of crap version of Half Life that this guy produced for the ps2. This guy's team could barely develop a decent ps2 game.. how in the hell are they going to be able to make a ps3 game... it's best that perhaps they stic

[Ikohn4ever]

Gabe does know that the 360 has Halo 3 coming, right? I think that's probably gonna help sell systems, more so than Metroid Prime Wii and Super Mario Galaxy.


do you really think someone who would buy Halo 3 hasnt bought a 360 yet. I think a large percentage have already jumped on board with it. Though if you are talking about a price drop and Halo 3 thats a different story all together.

[shipwreck]

do you really think someone who would buy Halo 3 hasnt bought a 360 yet. I think a large percentage have already jumped on board with it. Though if you are talking about a price drop and Halo 3 thats a different story all together.

Releasing Halo 3 near Christmas means a ton of 360's are going to be sold. There are a lot of people out there still without a 360 that will want Halo 3.

[daroga]

do you really think someone who would buy Halo 3 hasnt bought a 360 yet. I think a large percentage have already jumped on board with it. Though if you are talking about a price drop and Halo 3 thats a different story all together.If Halo 3 is good (read: not like Halo 2, but like Halo 1), that, coupled with a price drop, might be the thing that pushes me into a 360.

[munch]

Releasing Halo 3 near Christmas means a ton of 360's are going to be sold. There are a lot of people out there still without a 360 that will want Halo 3.

I don't have a 360, but Halo 3, along with a price drop, would probably make me bite.

[jer7583]

Watch this:


"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It’s really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I’d say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a “do over”. Just say, “This was a horrible disaster and we’re sorry and we’re going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it”. The happy story is the Wii. I’m betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I’m crazy. I really like everthing that Nintendo is doing. "

now apply that same statement to that piece of crap version of Half Life that this guy produced for the ps2. This guy's team could barely develop a decent ps2 game.. how in the hell are they going to be able to make a ps3 game... it's best that perhaps they stic

I thought that the PS2 half life was rather slick for it's time. Nobody was really pushing the boundaries with PS2 games at that point. Besides, the PS2 version was developed by Gearbox, I believe, the ones who did the expansions to Half Life.

[Thomas96]

I thought that the PS2 half life was rather slick for it's time. Nobody was really pushing the boundaries with PS2 games at that point. Besides, the PS2 version was developed by Gearbox, I believe, the ones who did the expansions to Half Life.



Well I guess it wasn't that bad for it's time... I didn't realize that it wasn't developed by Gearbox... I never really got into Half Life... although I did like Red Faction... came out the same year... they did some pretty nice things w/ that game as well.. and it was long as hell.

[trq]

Besides, the PS2 version was developed by Gearbox, I believe, the ones who did the expansions to Half Life.

Correct. Not the same developer, so it kind of moots the point.

[Blitz]

Since this isn't the Wii forum, and not technically thread crap, I'll just state my opinion that the 360 is underrated [it is an incredible console] and that the PS3 gets criticism it doesn't truly deserve. I'll also add that if any single piece of consumer electronics was overhyped and overrated: it's the Wii. Then again, we live in a society where people think it's "innovative" for Apple to release an mp3 player with no screen and small memory, and sell it for near $100. Likewise, Nintendo can repackage an aging system, give it a fancy controller, and people will scream "revolution"

http://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/332123-A.jpg

Yes we know what you think about your 360 since you've been telling us it over and over again since you got it for $100. But if you bought it for $400 and you had to have it replaced 3 or 4 times I'm sure your opinion would differ.

The PS3 gets criticism because it deserves it. I don't expect you to understand because you're a Sony fanboy.

[integralsmatic]

Releasing Halo 3 near Christmas means a ton of 360's are going to be sold. There are a lot of people out there still without a 360 that will want Halo 3.

i still dont have a 360 and i reserved it. ill bite when i get more money but with a price drop on the system....than im definitley going to buy it earlier than i thought.

[ryanbph]

I find it funny that Gabe trashes the PS3 when it is the only console that allows for modding. UT2K7 is probably going to be a rude awakening for all the PS3 bashers.
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I don't think you are correct about that...if by modding you mean having user created maps, then it is on the 360 already with far cry. The E3 when they announced the 360, they had a big push on user created content available on the marketplace. (remeber velocity girl) They were pushing for user created maps, outfits, skins etc... I am pretty sure I read/heard that shadowrun was going to allow for user created maps as well. Just because it isn't actively available yet doesn't mean it won't come, kind of like the ps3 network being on par with xbox live and being free. At launch they weren't really close to it, but overtime and with some luck they could have a very active competitve network.

[rickonker]

The PS3 is a disaster but so is Gabe Newell. Too much worship from HL fanboys has messed with his mind.

[Mookyjooky]

AhmedMalik... can we just collectively say the Wii rocks and everything else sucks and maybe we can be done with these threads?

Personally, I dont have a PS3, so I could care less about the PS3, nor can I really judge it.

But I do have the Wii and the 360, and other than the Wii being a novelty that lets my girlfriend play video games with me... its hasnt really delivered in my book. Zelda was awesome, but it was a lame tactic to use it to sell the Wii. Take away Zelda and you have a collection of games with the variety of your average Dreamcast game with better graphics and neato non-precise control. My girlfriend doesnt even play it, she's been playing Viva Pinata.

The only games I've played on the Wii in the last 2 weeks is Battalion Wars and Odama.

[dastly75]

I think people are more banking on the fact that Wii looks extremely promising for the future. After all, the 360 started off slow too. I thought the 360 was a great system out of the gate too, nothing wrong with stating that...

[sarausagi]

Yes we know what you think about your 360 since you've been telling us it over and over again since you got it for $100. But if you bought it for $400 and you had to have it replaced 3 or 4 times I'm sure your opinion would differ.

The PS3 gets criticism because it deserves it. I don't expect you to understand because you're a Sony fanboy.


Have you ever built computers? If you have, even one, then you might have had to fill RMA forms more than once. I went through three motherboards before I finally had a good one. Mind you, this was a cheap board [under $100] but still, even in the more expensive boards, getting a stable durable one is luck of the draw or just cycling through them. If my 360 breaks, I don't really think it's Microsoft's fault, nor is it mine, but it doesn't make the console any less worthy of praise

Search eBay for broken ipods, or just search google for "ipod" and "battery", the darling of all consumer electronics has a major malfunction and defect in quality, and yet it continued to sell "like hotcakes", even before the issues were addressed and fixed. The 360 gets heat just because it's easy to "hate" Microsoft, even though the console is relatively stable and constantly being improved.

Maybe the PS3 deserves criticism, I haven't even opened mine simply because I can't hook my dance pad or my pink wireless controller up, and it won't even work on my TV properly because of the resolution error, plus it can read SACD's but doesn't even have six channel analog outputs. That's DESERVED CRITICISM. However, what's being said on a nearly 24 hours basis on CAG and other message boards, that's fanboyism at its "finest".

And as for your reply itself, I've said it before, if I could go back in time I would buy a 360 for $400, the second I hooked it up I was absolutely floored that a console TODAY was doing what was being promised for TOMORROW. I got lucky though, sorry if it seems like I've been rubbing it in people's face.