Which PS1, PS2 games should you NOT play on a PS3? [Mobile/Archive]

Nutts

01-22-2007, 05:25 PM

To be more specific. Which older PS1, PS2 games have features (like rumble) that are important to the gameplay, where you probably wouldn't get the same experience by playing it on the PS3.

For example, Metal Gear Solid 2 used both rumble and the abiltiy to read your memory card which if played on the PS3, either may not work at all, or would not give you the full experience.

Another example would be Guitar Hero. Without being able to use the Guitar on the PS3, this game is pretty much useless to play on the PS3.

So what other games, (most interested in RPG's and AAA games) would you suggest playing on the original PS1, PS2 rather than playing on the PS3?

The Mana Knight

01-22-2007, 06:14 PM

I'll see about coming up with a list, since I've tested numerous RPGs from my PS1/PS2, on my PS3:

Off the top of my head

Games that look fine on PS3:
Amplitude (although controls might be weird)
Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny
DDR Extreme 2 (If you don't use the dance pad like me at times, runs great)
DDR SuperNOVA (If you don't use the dance pad like me at times, runs great)
Devil Kings
Gitaroo Man
Grandia Xtreme
Guilty Gear X2 (Other than pin stripe lines in intro, game looks perfect)
In The Groove (same as DDR)
King of Fighters 2006
Legaia 2: Duel Saga
Mega Man X8
PaRappa The Rapper 2
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
Samurai Warriors
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Shining Tears
Soul Calibur II
Splashdown: Rides Gone Wild
Star Ocean: Till The End of Time
Suikoden Tactics
Suikoden IV
Suikoden V
Tekken 5
Wild Arms 3
Xenosaga Episode III
Zone of the Enders

Games that don't look fine on PS3:
.Hack//G.U.
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XII
Grandia III (The battle gauge is VERY pixelated)
Kingdom Hearts 2
Xenosaga Episode I
Xenosaga Episode II (text becomes almost unreadable at points)

Games that can go either way:
Ace Combat 5 (May appear a tad more jagged, but still looks better than PSP version of AC X)
Ape Escape 3
Castlevania: LoI
Dragon Quest VII (may not be as clean, but still good)
Okami
Suikoden III (Did not compare to PS2 after I tried PS3, but a tad more jagged)
Tales of the Abyss (text and main menu may appear a tad pixelated)
Wild Arms 4 (same problem as TotA)
Wild Arms: Alter Code F (Jaggies around thin, long edges, in some towns, but that's it).

I'm not going to list PS1 games. Out of the ones I did try, I only came across minor graphical issues in FFVII, FFVIII, Lunar 2, etc. that don't really hurt the game. Just don't play a music/dance simulation or any game that requires precise timing on PS3 (or even PS2), because the analog buttons register at a different time.

Mechafenris

01-22-2007, 08:24 PM

I can add Activision Anthology and Capcom classics to the "looks fine list" as well.

I experienced no issues running either on my HDTV w/HDMI cabled PS3.

Stunt

01-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Play Sprite Games on the PS3, the graphics won't look any different.

lmz00

01-22-2007, 09:14 PM

Gran Turismo 4 always freezes on me, but at least you can set it to 1080i.

UnderwaterMadman

01-22-2007, 09:25 PM

I'll see about coming up with a list, since I've tested numerous RPGs from my PS1/PS2, on my PS3:

Games that don't look fine on PS3:
Final Fantasy XII

Can someone elaborate on this for me?

Rusty Ghia

01-22-2007, 09:26 PM

Does Tomba! 1 one work on the PS3? It didn't work on the PS2.

whoknows

01-22-2007, 09:28 PM

Can someone elaborate on this for me?
Just looks a little worse. Seriously nothing to worry about. I only notice it during CG cutscenes.

UnderwaterMadman

01-22-2007, 09:32 PM

Just looks a little worse. Seriously nothing to worry about. I only notice it during CG cutscenes.

All righty thats somewhat of a relief, I didn't want to have to hook my PS2 back up and buy one of the memory card adapters.

kittycatgirl2k

01-22-2007, 09:39 PM

They all look like arse.

62t

01-22-2007, 10:01 PM

PSOne originally didnt include a rumble controller. However in MGS you can get a "massage" with the rumble.

The Mana Knight

01-22-2007, 10:29 PM

I just added Wild Arms 3 looking fine, while Wild Arms: Alter Code F had some jaggies (but only during a certain situation).

galvatron2k1

01-22-2007, 11:16 PM

I just tried to play Silent Hill for the PSone and it looked horrible on a 46" Bravia.

oasisboy

01-22-2007, 11:20 PM

They all look like arse.

I second that... and some other people here do too:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=808212&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

whoknows

01-22-2007, 11:30 PM

I second that... and some other people here do too:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=808212&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
How many times have you posted that link? And the people there aren't saying ALL games look bad, there is a small list in the first post.

oasisboy

01-23-2007, 12:06 AM

How many times have you posted that link? And the people there aren't saying ALL games look bad, there is a small list in the first post.

I posted this link at least 4 times, have a problem with that?

Small list?
Final Fantasy XII - 480i only game - the worst of the worst
Final Fantasy X - 480i only game
Final Fantasy X-2 - 480i only game
Metal Gear Solid 2 - 480i only game
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 480i only game
Metal Gear Solid 3: Substinence - 480i only game
Virtua Fighter 4 - 480i only game
Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution - 480i only game
Dragon Quest VIII - 480i only game
WWE Smackdown! vs. RAW 2007 - 480i only game
Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition - 480i only game
Time Splitters 2 - 480i only game
Time Splitters: Future Perfect - 480i only game
Mark of Kri - 480i only game
Kingdom Hearts - 480i only game
Kingdom Hearts 2 - 480i only game
ICO - 480i only game
YS: The Ark of Napishtim - 480i game
God of War - 480p able - turning on progressive scan in game options solves the problem
Resident Evil 4 - 480p able - turning on progressive scan in game options solves the problem
Resident Evil: Outbreak - 480i only game
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon - 480p able - turning on progressive scan in game options solves the problem
Transformers - 480i only game
Legacy of Kain 2 - 480i only game
Silent Hill 3 - 480i only game
Silent Hill 4 - 480i only game
Rogue Galaxy - 480i only game
We Heart Katamari - 480i only game
Shining Force Neo - 480i only game
DBZ: Budoki Tenkaichi - 480i only game
Whiplash - 480i only game
Ace Combat 5 - 480i only game
Winning Eleven 7 - 480i only game
Winning Eleven 8 - 480i only game
Ratchet & Clank: Deadlocked - 480p able - turning on progressive scan in game options solves the problem
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal - 480p able - turning on progressive scan in game options solves the problem
Xenosaga Episode 1 - 480i only game
Xenosaga Episode 2 - 480i only game
Dark Cloud - 480i only game
Dark Cloud 2 - 480i only game
Shadowhearts: From the New World - 480i only game

whoknows

01-23-2007, 12:08 AM

Small list?

Compared to all the games that look fine, it is a VERY small list.

Mechafenris

01-23-2007, 12:59 AM

Indeed... but like most things... beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-D

I have played FF12 on the PS3, and while it has some issue with the background jaggies... it doesn't look horrible.... even at 480i only....

Considering I play Front Mission 3 on my PS3 (enjoy it thoroughly, btw)... I don't think I'm one to judge "good" v. "poor" quality visuals on PS2 games via the PS3. :)

From what I've seen of the list, and comparing my stack of games next to my Ps3... I'd say the list isn't so horrible.... :)

But that's just me.... I'm not a fanboy obsessed with defending the good name of Sony or Microsoft in the face of haters. :) The Romans had a saying... "On matters of taste, there is no argument".... or something like that.

The Mana Knight

01-23-2007, 07:22 AM

I posted this link at least 4 times, have a problem with that?

Small list?Compared to how many PS3 games there are in the in the NA market, around 600+. I'd say that's pretty good, compared to only around 20% of games actually working on your console (like the case with Xbox 360, where at least the PS3 will play everything, although everything isn't perfect).

NamPaehc

01-23-2007, 09:39 AM

I mean, if we set down and looked at them all I'm sure most of them would have the same pixel flipping/graphic issues. But that "small list" was made by normal PS3 owners who took the time to test their personal games they own to confirm. So of course the list is small, no one owns every PS2 game.

If the ones that a majority of people actually own and play look bad... Well I think that is what the issue should be focused on. Anyway, and update is coming soon 1/24, and hopefully it will improve things.

Nutts

01-23-2007, 12:21 PM

Is there a reason these look worse on a PS3? I saw one list where it looked like 480i was the problem. Does the PS2 make these games look better somehow?

Also, does anyone know of any games that have different game mechanics, like a unique use of rumble that is lost when playing them on the PS3?

mykevermin

01-23-2007, 12:28 PM

I put in 80 hours of FFXII on my PS3, and only noticed issues during cutscenes (and even then, only intermittently). Even then, I have confidence that Sony will fix this issue with a firmware update - they *need* to, in order to boost consumer confidence in the PS3 brand.

Give up your feigned outrage for how PS2 games look; you'll possibly find some time to play Panzer Dragoon Orta on your 360, kids. ;)

jm2u

01-23-2007, 12:32 PM

They all look like arse.

Someday people are going to realize that upscaling isn't the temple of the sun its made out to be. You can deinterlace a resolution and have it look better (480i-480p or 1080i to 1080p) but when you upscale from 480i to 1080p, well jesus, what do you expect. Its not actually changing what the game is outputting, its just forcing it to run at a ridiculously high res. Upscaling=bad. Native=good!

icruise

01-23-2007, 01:56 PM

The problem occurs no matter what resolution you have your PS3 set to -- it's not a result of scaling 480i to 1080i/p.

While I definitely want Sony to fix the issue, so far it's not *nearly* as big a deal for me as many make it out to be. I'm playing FF12 on the PS3 and I think it looks fine. Perhaps if you did a side-by-side comparison with the PS2 you'd see a difference, but it's not like the thing is unplayable or anything.

pinoy530

01-24-2007, 12:40 AM

Give up your feigned outrage for how PS2 games look; you'll possibly find some time to play Panzer Dragoon Orta on your 360, kids. ;)

Why does it seem that every defense of how bad PS2 games look on it ends up being a 360 bash? PS/PS2 games shouldn't look worse on PS3 than PS2. The fact that not that many games are BC on 360 doesn't change this fact or make it better.

Mechafenris

01-24-2007, 01:27 AM

Why does it seem that every defense of how bad PS2 games look on it ends up being a 360 bash? PS/PS2 games shouldn't look worse on PS3 than PS2. The fact that not that many games are BC on 360 doesn't change this fact or make it better.

It's for the same reason that when Sega announces Virtua Fighter 5 is coming to the 360, we get 1000's of fanboys claiming this is the end of the PS3. (Or more recently, the promotional poster for a 20% discount at one store for a PS3...) People come out of the woodwork to bash what they don't have, I guess. :roll:

I have both and will enjoy this generation quite nicely, no matter which console gets what. :) I am less concerned about BC on the 360, as little as I am concerned about some scaling problems with PS2 games... but that's just me... :D

It'll be a while before we have an intelligent, reasoned discussion about any issue that comes up with these consoles.... and even then, there'll be the last holdout who didn't get the memo... :lol:

darkrage

01-24-2007, 01:52 AM

Im just stilled pissed my PS2 games look like PS1.5 on my PS3. And I don't think Sony is ever going to fix it.

M3wThr33

01-24-2007, 02:58 AM

If the OP actually OWNED a PS3, he would know how the PS3 deals with PS2 memory cards and controller ports. MGS2 plays fine. It reads the cards like a PS2 would.

Are you just trying to troll here by pimping your sig with the 360 blog?

And KH2 looks fine on my 51" HDTV on my PS3. Sure, I can see pixels and texture stetching, but that was always there, some games just weren't meant to be scrutinized like that.

NamPaehc

01-24-2007, 03:52 AM

Update 1.5 has corrected the image issues on my own PS2 games! We'll need more people to test more out (and i'm going to do some more) but it seems Sony has fix things and there should be NO problems viewing any older games any more.

whoknows

01-24-2007, 03:56 AM

I'll be testing out in a few minutes. Now people have 1 less thing to complain about.

whoknows

01-24-2007, 03:59 AM

Yep! Definately Fixed. I put in Hitman Blood Money, FFXII, and RE4 and they all look perfect!

zewone

01-24-2007, 04:15 AM

What did they do to the games?

whoknows

01-24-2007, 04:16 AM

Some of the games had weird pixel problems or something. Wasn't a huge deal but was still annoying.

imascrub

01-24-2007, 05:17 AM

new update doesn't do any image enhancements to ps2 games does it?

M3wThr33

01-24-2007, 05:51 AM

I'll look at KH2 right now. 60% downloaded. I didn't have an issue with the graphics before, but we'll see what it "Should" look like.

Other reports are people experiencing a static hiss in some games, possibly related to memory cards.

Edit:
Jesusfuck! Kingdom Hearts 2 looks awesome now. MUCH clearer. That's not to say the original looked bad, but it was pixelated. Now, the text is incredibly clear and the... wow. Yeah, okay. I guess I see what was wrong. Totally awesome news.

NamPaehc

01-24-2007, 06:00 AM

No graphical improvements, but pixel flipping is fixed.
Had some weird sounds here to but didn't test to much.

M3wThr33

01-24-2007, 06:31 AM

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Kingdom Hearts 2, PS3 v1.5

argyle

01-24-2007, 07:44 AM

Does Tomba! 1 one work on the PS3? It didn't work on the PS2.

This was actually one of the very first games I tried out when I got my PS3 back in Nov. It works like a charm. :) And the game is so much fun, my "test" turned into about 2 hours of playing it.

I was happy to see they improved b/c in this case from what the PS2 did. I guess now I need to test out the FF that had issues before - it was one of the ones in either Anthologies or Chronicles...anyone remember which one? Was it FF6? Something about the save screen I think...

mykevermin

01-24-2007, 08:11 AM

Thanks for the screens, M3wthr33. Now I just wish my damned HDTV would get back in from repairs.

argyle

01-24-2007, 08:15 AM

Wow, I can say the problems are definitely fixed. When I first got my Rogue Galaxy demo, I popped it in the PS3 first but it looked really rough so I played it in my PS2. I now have 2 copies of the demo, so I put one in the PS3 (after updating, of course) and one in the PS2, both connected to the same tv. I switched back & forth several times between inputs, and the game looks identical on both systems now.

Bravo Sony! :applause:

darkrage

01-24-2007, 10:38 AM

Hurray!!!! No need for me to complain anymore! Thanks Sony!

Brian9824

01-24-2007, 10:43 AM

Im just stilled pissed my PS2 games look like PS1.5 on my PS3. And I don't think Sony is ever going to fix it.

Someone has to eat those words now :-) How ironic that we got numerous posts like this right before it happened. Looks like it took a little over 2 months which is about what i figuired. I was figuiring they would have all the major bugs worked out in about 3-4 months.

HDMI still an issue for some people?

YoshiFan1

01-24-2007, 06:19 PM

Pop N Music, Guitar Freaks, Para Para Paradise, Drummania, Keyboardmania, Beatmania IIDX

all require special controllers and aren't that fun to play with a standard controller.

mykevermin

01-24-2007, 06:22 PM

I take it you have a Japanese PS3?

NamPaehc

01-25-2007, 04:15 AM

IGN has article and video confirming the update his corrected things. (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/758/758306p1.html) If your one who needs visual proof and links and all that. :P

MadFlava

01-25-2007, 12:29 PM

IGN has article and video confirming the update his corrected things. (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/758/758306p1.html) If your one who needs visual proof and links and all that. :P
Damn, if Sony would have done this at the start I wouldn't have sold my launch day 20gb PS3 for $700 on craigslists. I guess I should seriously consider upgrading to a PS3 now.

So what is the PS3 exactly doing to get the PS2 games to look better. Is it now displaying all BC games at 480p?

NamPaehc

01-25-2007, 03:18 PM

So what is the PS3 exactly doing to get the PS2 games to look better. Is it now displaying all BC games at 480p?

Offically, Sony hasn't said but I read this quote from a guy who said he worked for Sony or something:

"The problem is with games that use native 512 pixel wide format screens, when that is upconverted to 640 the filter is not sufficiently good. It's like if you load a 512 pixel bitmap in MS Paint, and stretch it to 640 it looks like crap.

So Sony is adding a better filter for that and it'll be fixed very soon."

oasisboy

01-25-2007, 11:10 PM

Someone has to eat those words now :-) How ironic that we got numerous posts like this right before it happened.

This issue should have never happened in the 1st place. At least they fixed this. Shouldn't Sony give us credit for a free ps2 game for making us suffer with the ps2 games running on the ps3? At least a coupon for $10 off for God of War 2 :lol:

mykevermin

01-25-2007, 11:15 PM

This issue should have never happened in the 1st place. At least they fixed this. Shouldn't Sony give us credit for a free ps2 game for making us suffer with the ps2 games running on the ps3? At least a coupon for $10 off for God of War 2 :lol:

There are a number of things that you can say "should never have happened in the first place" with regards to any system's capabilities at launch. Get over yourself, and be glad that they managed to get this taken care of within two months of the console's availability.

MadFlava

01-25-2007, 11:17 PM

This issue should have never happened in the 1st place. At least they fixed this. Shouldn't Sony give us credit for a free ps2 game for making us suffer with the ps2 games running on the ps3? At least a coupon for $10 off for God of War 2 :lol:

You wish :) but you are right, this should have been a part of the launch day firmware. Especially since Sony advertise the BC for the full library of PS2 and PS1 games right out of the box. Too bad they didn't warn us that the games would look like ass on our HDTV's. Hopefully we will see more major updates to address BC issues and improve DVD playback. If Sony can keep improving BC then it can have an advantage over the 360. Less face it, what is the use of PS3 BC if it looks worst than just using our regular old PS2's on our non HDTV's.

oasisboy

01-25-2007, 11:35 PM

TGet over yourself, and be glad that they managed to get this taken care of within two months of the console's availability.

Get over myself and be glad Sony fixed this? Uhh, Sony had the obligation of fixing this on day 1. Two months seems like an obscene amount of time to respond to this issue. Didnt Sony have enough time to release the ps3 with 1.5 firmware already on it? Sony knew they had an issue before releasing the console but they didnt give a crap. I mean, come on, dont they have a testing team that makes sure everything is ok with the console? Jeez... you need to get over yourself with those smart remarks...

mykevermin

01-25-2007, 11:43 PM

you need to get over yourself with those smart remarks...

I'm too busy having fun playing Panzer Dragoon Orta and the last two Prince of Persia games on my 360. Oh, wait...no I'm not because they don't play on it, along with about 500 other Xbox titles.

Look, I want a system that can play everything in 1080p, cook me dinner, and do my laundry...but it's not gonna happen. The fact of the matter is that this is a problem that is vastly overstated by virtue of people's disposition towards hating Sony for any number of reasons. Let me put it to you this way: where's my Wii News Channel? Where's all the VC titles I want to play? Why couldn't I multitask on my 360 at launch? Why could I only play about 8% of my Xbox games on my 360 at launch?

Every system will have growing pains as it evolves. The complexity of modern consoles, and now the virtue of backwards compatibility, have made that a damn-sure occurrance. Again, you were outraged when it flipped a handful of pixels, and now you're not happy that they didn't release it at launch. When I say get over yourself, I mean shut the shit up and be happy that it's fixed.

I knew that the moment I saw the post I quote in my signature, that it was a staggering work of genius.

oasisboy

01-26-2007, 12:06 AM

1. I'm too busy having fun playing Panzer Dragoon Orta and the last two Prince of Persia games on my 360. Oh, wait...no I'm not because they don't play on it, along with about 500 other Xbox titles.

2. The fact of the matter is that this is a problem that is vastly overstated by virtue of people's disposition towards hating Sony for any number of reasons.

3. Why couldn't I multitask on my 360 at launch? Why could I only play about 8% of my Xbox games on my 360 at launch?

4. Again, you were outraged when it flipped a handful of pixels, and now you're not happy that they didn't release it at launch.

5. When I say get over yourself, I mean shut the shit up and be happy that it's fixed.

6. I knew that the moment I saw the post I quote in my signature, that it was a staggering work of genius.
1. Microsoft never promised 100% title BC compatibility. This was stated months before the release of the 360. Sony on the other hand promised 100% backwards compatibility with ps1 and ps2 games. Now, you should've been smart enough not to sell your xbox because you knew that most xbox games were not going to work on the 360. If you cant play Prince of Persia, then itis your own dumb fault because you knew better.

2. Vastly overstated problem? I checked the Sony messageboards and plenty of people were complaing about this issue. And these were hardcore Sony fanboys. Ign.com complained, Kotaku complained, tons and tons of sites talked about the issue. Yet, all of these people (according to you) are Sony haters...

3. Microsoft never said that you were going to be able to multitask on day 1 and they never promised 100% backwards compatibility.

4. Yeah, my ps2 games looked pretty bad on the ps3. I couldnt play Sly 3 because of this issue. And yes, it took almost 3 months for this to be fixed. This is too much time to wait considering that Sony knew about this.

5. Ahh, the famous "shut up because I am right" answer. Very constructive criticism.

6. Yeah, this is the work of a geniuos / quote of the year: "When I say get over yourself, I mean shut the shit up and be happy". Did you steal this from the Sopranos? :lol:

icruise

01-26-2007, 12:22 AM

Well, technically the PS3 was 100% compatible (aside from games requiring special controllers). The graphical issues shouldn't have been there, yes, but they didn't prevent you from playing the games. And I'll have to say that after the update while I can see that the "stair stepping" effect on some text and graphics is gone, it's not really that huge of a difference. I still don't see what all the outcry was about.

mykevermin

01-26-2007, 12:23 AM

You didn't look at my signature, apparently. Find my first post on this page; it's there.

My point is that you ought to shut up because it's clear that nothing is going to make you happy. You weren't happy when the games didn't look perfect, and you'll still complaining now that it's fixed.

My question to you, then, is this: what can Sony do to make you happy?

oasisboy

01-26-2007, 12:40 AM

My point is that you ought to shut up because it's clear that nothing is going to make you happy. You weren't happy when the games didn't look perfect, and you'll still complaining now that it's fixed.

My question to you, then, is this: what can Sony do to make you happy?
One thing you need to learn is to never tell anyone in a messageboard to shut up because this is a messageboard and people have opinions (like them or not).

I am not complaining about the BC issue anymore (I am happy they fixed the issued). All I said is that Sony should go the extra mile and offer a $10 discount for a game or something like that. They don't have to, but it would be nice for Sony to say: Hey ps3 customers, sorry for the glitch but to compensate here is $x.xx coupon for a ps3 game. At least Microsoft extended the warranty for the 360 console.

mykevermin

01-26-2007, 12:42 AM

I am not complaining about the BC issue anymore (I am happy they fixed the issued).

All I said is that Sony should go the extra mile and offer a $10 discount for a game or something like that. They don't have to, but it would be nice for Sony to say: Hey ps3 customers, sorry for the glitch but to compensate here is $x.xx coupon for a ps3 game.

Fair enough on the first part.

As for compensation, we'd all be independently wealthy if we were remunerated for each and every glitch we encountered.

oasisboy

01-26-2007, 12:47 AM

As for compensation, we'd all be independently wealthy if we were remunerated for each and every glitch we encountered.\

restaurants give you free desert if they mess up on your order :lol:

whoknows

01-26-2007, 12:58 AM

I am not complaining about the BC issue anymore (I am happy they fixed the issued). All I said is that Sony should go the extra mile and offer a $10 discount for a game or something like that. They don't have to, but it would be nice for Sony to say: Hey ps3 customers, sorry for the glitch but to compensate here is $x.xx coupon for a ps3 game. At least Microsoft extended the warranty for the 360 console.
With that kind of logic Microsoft should buy you an xbox game everytime they update BC

Mechafenris

01-26-2007, 01:04 AM

\

restaurants give you free desert if they mess up on your order :lol:

But if you complained TOO much, they'd give you the "special" chocolate sauce. :lol:

icruise

01-26-2007, 01:23 AM

At least Microsoft extended the warranty for the 360 console.
Yeah, they extended it to match what Nintendo and Sony were giving from the start. Not really something to praise them for IMHO.

dpatel

01-26-2007, 01:39 AM

Microsoft never promised 100% title BC compatibility. This was stated months before the release of the 360. Sony on the other hand promised 100% backwards compatibility with ps1 and ps2 games. Now, you should've been smart enough not to sell your xbox because you knew that most xbox games were not going to work on the 360. If you cant play Prince of Persia, then itis your own dumb fault because you knew better.

If we are going off of what was promised, then Sony didn't really do anything wrong either. Personally, I think both MS and Sony need to get to working on BC, but Sony did just say the games were compatible, and since we are holding them to their word, they did live up to it. If we are not going by what was promised, then I agree with you. Both Sony and MS have done a poor job with BC.

Brian9824

01-26-2007, 01:40 AM

1. Microsoft never promised 100% title BC compatibility. This was stated months before the release of the 360. Sony on the other hand promised 100% backwards compatibility with ps1 and ps2 games. Now, you should've been smart enough not to sell your xbox because you knew that most xbox games were not going to work on the 360. If you cant play Prince of Persia, then itis your own dumb fault because you knew better.

You keep claiming Sony promised 100% backwards compatibility when they never did. Still waiting to see a link where you have someone from Sony and not a 3rd party saying the system was going to be 100% at launch.

P.S. Microsoft should buy us all new HD TV's since they couldn't get the 360 outputting in 1080P at launch like they wanted too.

Brian9824

01-26-2007, 01:45 AM

You wish :) but you are right, this should have been a part of the launch day firmware. Especially since Sony advertise the BC for the full library of PS2 and PS1 games right out of the box. Too bad they didn't warn us that the games would look like ass on our HDTV's. Hopefully we will see more major updates to address BC issues and improve DVD playback. If Sony can keep improving BC then it can have an advantage over the 360. Less face it, what is the use of PS3 BC if it looks worst than just using our regular old PS2's on our non HDTV's.

Umm its already fixed for every game. All they have to do is get a handful of games working now. Mainly games that use various special controllers.

Oh and Oasisboy why do you pop into every thread and start bashing Sony and praising Microsoft? No one here even talked about comparing the 360 to PS3 and yet you have to pop in and start going on with the same rant you always do. Seems alot like trolling.

dpatel

01-26-2007, 01:49 AM

I never understood the logic behind trolling. It's fine if you don't like the PS3. It's fine if you like the 360. But to spend a lot of time on the PS3 board praising the 360 when you could actually be playing the thing, thats just stupid.

And, as far as I remember, we were never promised 100% BC. We were promised some sort of BC, and that was it. I guess everyone assumed it was 100% (although they did come extremely close).

Brian9824

01-26-2007, 01:55 AM

dpatel

01-26-2007, 02:01 AM

Sony's official stance was that the PS3 would play nearly every PS2 and PS1 game. Just like how the PS2 could play almost every PS1 game. They also never said that the system would play it without errors or artifacts.

I'm a business major so i always like to analyze what the company's are telling you because they can word their releases to basically mean anything they want. If you actually start breaking apart press releases you'll find it pretty intresting what they AREN'T saying.

Yea, I've noticed that. Alot of the "lies" that come from companies are actually just half truths. They say something and conveniently try and misconstrue the message so it sounds better than it really is. Sorta like when Sony "promised 1080p and 120FPS". In actuality, all they said is the PS3 is capable of it, they never said that any games would support it. Kind of shady, but what large business isn't shady these days.

whoknows

01-26-2007, 02:06 AM

1. Microsoft never promised 100% title BC compatibility. This was stated months before the release of the 360. Sony on the other hand promised 100% backwards compatibility with ps1 and ps2 games. Now, you should've been smart enough not to sell your xbox because you knew that most xbox games were not going to work on the 360. If you cant play Prince of Persia, then itis your own dumb fault because you knew better.
Please provide proof that Sony promised 100% BC because I sure don't remember it that way.

And as far as BC, the PS3 does it a hell of a lot better than the 360 does. You shouldnt even be comparing them because the 360's BC is shit compared to the PS3's.

The Mana Knight

01-26-2007, 11:10 AM

Sony's official stance was that the PS3 would play nearly every PS2 and PS1 game. Just like how the PS2 could play almost every PS1 game. They also never said that the system would play it without errors or artifacts.

I'm a business major so i always like to analyze what the company's are telling you because they can word their releases to basically mean anything they want. If you actually start breaking apart press releases you'll find it pretty intresting what they AREN'T saying.QFT. That's what I heard myself and that's what I expected. I expected some games to have issues. If anything, I'm very impressed with what Sony did, because I can play most all my favorite PS1/PS2 games on PS3 without issues (along with transferring their datasaves), unlike having limited BC (with next to no games I like) and not being able to transfer datasaves (which would keep me from using BC, since I don't want to start all over).

I'm about ready to give up my long streak of playing my PS2 1400+ days in a row, and just play the games on PS3.

oasisboy

01-27-2007, 12:26 AM

1. You keep claiming Sony promised 100% backwards compatibility when they never did. Still waiting to see a link where you have someone from Sony and not a 3rd party saying the system was going to be 100% at launch.

2. P.S. Microsoft should buy us all new HD TV's since they couldn't get the 360 outputting in 1080P at launch like they wanted too.

1. "Mar 15th 2006" : IGN reports that the PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible, and that "all legacy titles played on the system will be displayed at high-definition resolutions. This is taken from the PS3 press conference back in March. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

You will probably cry and complain that this statemet is not from a Sony website... :roll:

2. And Sony should buy HD TVs for those folks whose TVs dont have 720p output. :lol:

dpatel

01-27-2007, 12:38 AM

oasisboy

01-27-2007, 12:45 AM

EDIT: and that worldwide in Nov statement was retracted. That conference is just full of old and incorrect information. Things tend to change leading up to launch for whatever reasons.

There are always excuses...:lol:

So then we can agree that Sony overpromised and then they had to retract their comments?

dpatel

01-27-2007, 12:52 AM

There are always excuses...:lol:

So then we can agree that Sony overpromised and then they had to retract their comments?

Pretty much. Is there a reason why you are so fixated (and seem to be amused) by the fact that you are able to identify only Sony's lies (while, for some reason, ignoring lies of many other companies).

oasisboy

01-27-2007, 01:20 AM

Is there a reason why you are so fixated (and seem to be amused) by the fact that you are able to identify only Sony's lies (while, for some reason, ignoring lies of many other companies).

I like to state the facts and it seems that people like you and whoknows and Brian9824 seem to get in this mode of: "show me a link, show me a link because Sony never said that." You all get so defensive about Sony. Its like you cannot say anything bad about Sony because that will obviously make you a Sony hater... that's all.

Has Microsoft and Nintendo lied? Yes, but they dont give me this arrogant feeling that Sony does. I guess its because of Kutaragi and his comments...

http://ps3.qj.net/Funny-Ken-Kutaragi-Quotes-a-fan-boy-litmus-test/pg/49/aid/79353

By the way, I do own a 60 gig ps3 :)

dpatel

01-27-2007, 01:27 AM

I like to state the facts and it seems that people like you and whoknows and Brian9824 seem to get in this mode of: "show me a link, show me a link because Sony never said that." You all get so defensive about Sony. Its like you cannot say anything bad about Sony because that will obviously make you a Sony hater... that's all.

Has Microsoft and Nintendo lied? Yes, but they dont give me this arrogant feeling that Sony does. I guess its because of Kutaragi and his comments...

http://ps3.qj.net/Funny-Ken-Kutaragi-Quotes-a-fan-boy-litmus-test/pg/49/aid/79353

By the way, I do own a 60 gig ps3 :)

Well, generally when anyone states facts (whether it be positive or negative), most people would require some sort of proof, especially if it is something that I believe could be incorrect. It's only logical to back up your statements when there is a disagreement on facts. Its not the fact that it was something negative said about Sony, its the fact that it conflicting with other people's statements. At which point, the most logical thing to do would be to provide proof to end this disagreement, wouldn't you agree? Don't be so paranoid, not everyone is against Sony criticism.

And I'm not even going to defend Kutaragi. I despise the guy too. I am also glad that you are aware that pretty much all companies lie. It irks me when people bash Sony for being evil, but turn blind eyes to their "precious MS or Ninty". To be honest, I think it is stupid to put your faith in any company. I want to play the PS3, not the Sony or the Kutaragi. I could care less what they say because I know how to weed out the BS from all companies. There are very few people I actually trust and respect in the industry (right now the only two being Kojima and David Jaffe). So far, The Playstations have not disappointed me with games, and that is what I base my decision on. I am completely content with my purchase despite all the BS that comes out of Moores, Kutaragi's, and Reggi's mouths.

EDIT: and, your memory seems to be a little short term. Let me remind that the very arrogance that you despise in Sony was also displayed by Nintendo back in the day. Sure they have come around now (mainily because they had to make changes).

Mechafenris

01-27-2007, 04:22 AM

Indeed. All companies are out for one thing... your $. If you realize that, then the half-truths, smoke&mirrors, and other tricks will be less likely to peeve you.

I for one hold no loyalty to any company, and have reason to despise each of the "big 3" console companies. (Though I have slightly less contempt for Sony's game division than I do for their music division.) Being apathetic to the companies' "party line" will give anyone who enjoys the hobby the ability to "take it or leave it" when it comes to the offerings, incentives, and tricks said companies will attempt to employ to separate you from your cash.

Having a "righteous crusade" against a company really only works when there are more than a few hundred folks on the bandwagon... that's why I gave up boycotting Disney for their hand in legislation like the DMCA. I don't buy their movies on DVD or Blu-Ray, but I do enjoy renting Pixar flicks. ;)

I'd rather simply enjoy myself playing video games than try to fight city hall. With technophiles like us, it's easy to see the man behind the curtain so to speak, but the Great Unwashed has a hard time grasping things like fair use and interoperability.

I suppose if there's a way to put insight into the water supply, we'd see a very different corporate culture... but since there's no magic pill, we're stuck being the minority who "know the trick", but still can enjoy playing with the fruits of corporate greed like the PS3 (or the 360).

edit: I think we can safely say Sony's not cornering the market on "fibs" before launch. I seem to remember Nintendo saying their console wouldn't be region-locked... but it is now. Not sure why though... But it underscores my first point... it's not about integrity... just about cash.

icruise

01-27-2007, 09:17 AM

1. "Mar 15th 2006" : IGN reports that the PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible, and that "all legacy titles played on the system will be displayed at high-definition resolutions. This is taken from the PS3 press conference back in March. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

You will probably cry and complain that this statemet is not from a Sony website... :roll:

Interesting quote, although I notice that the IGN link takes you to a non-existant page. In any case, it's been my experience that a lot of these "lies" by companies are a result of misunderstandings, slight exaggerations, or mistranslations. Remember that all of this in Japanese to begin with, and often when I can track down the original statement, it's rather different (I translate Japanese for a living).

And yes, sometimes companies just change their minds. They find out that doing something isn't going to work the way they thought or that it would be too expensive and so have to do something else. Get over it.

The Mana Knight

01-27-2007, 09:39 AM

Interesting quote, although I notice that the IGN link takes you to a non-existant page. In any case, it's been my experience that a lot of these "lies" by companies are a result of misunderstandings, slight exaggerations, or mistranslations. Remember that all of this in Japanese to begin with, and often when I can track down the original statement, it's rather different (I translate Japanese for a living).

And yes, sometimes companies just change their minds. They find out that doing something isn't going to work the way they thought or that it would be too expensive and so have to do something else. Get over it.I'll also add that when doing an interview, depending on the way you ask the questions (let's say five gaming sites do an interview with the same person), they may write 5 almost completely different stories. Also, I'll add that at times, gaming sites over exaggerate what was really said at time (sometimes confirming something that wasn't said).

Brian9824

01-27-2007, 10:46 AM

1. "Mar 15th 2006" : IGN reports that the PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible, and that "all legacy titles played on the system will be displayed at high-definition resolutions. This is taken from the PS3 press conference back in March. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

Thanks for finally posting an article but theres a few odd points to that article. it says "IGN reports that the PS3 will be "100% backwards compatible" not Sony reports? I'd love to know who exactly in Sony said that and to see actual interview, if its not a direct quote it can merely be what someone at IGN infered from the interview. It also doesn't say that it will be 100% backwards compatible at launch so they can meet that statement anytime in the next 5 years. That's what I was talking about with creative wording. No where has Sony said the PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible at launch. Hence why I said no one at Sony ever claimed it would be 100% at launch, they are too smart for that. I never said no one claimed it wouldn't be 100% eventually.

Thats also a pretty old interview, more then 8 months before launch. So if it is indeed true it doesn't surprise me in the least they'd change it. Everyone does it whether they are Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or George Bush.

Brian9824

01-27-2007, 10:49 AM

EDIT: and, your memory seems to be a little short term. Let me remind that the very arrogance that you despise in Sony was also displayed by Nintendo back in the day. Sure they have come around now (mainily because they had to make changes).

Remember the lawsuits against nintendo for illegal business practices. They threatened stores to withold and delay shipments unless their products recieved priority shelf space and treatment.

Oh and why are you even bringing up statements like
So then we can agree that Sony overpromised and then they had to retract their comments? Oasisboy?

Also why are you comparing Sony to microsoft and nintendo when this thread is for talking about what PS1 and PS2 games should be played on PS3. Promises on backwards compatibility were relevant but now your just going way off target.

oasisboy

01-27-2007, 12:56 PM

I'll also add that when doing an interview, depending on the way you ask the questions (let's say five gaming sites do an interview with the same person), they may write 5 almost completely different stories. Also, I'll add that at times, gaming sites over exaggerate what was really said at time (sometimes confirming something that wasn't said).

Remember that all of this in Japanese to begin with, and often when I can track down the original statement, it's rather different (I translate Japanese for a living).
And more BS, more excuses, can you all for once agree that Sony admitted to 100% backwards compatibility? (I know that later they denied this claim) Now, you are telling me that IGN does not have any employees that speak and understand Japanese? As a FYI They have a permanent office in Japan.

icruise

01-27-2007, 01:02 PM

OK whatever. Sony is a lying cheating sack of crap. Happy now?

Brian9824

01-27-2007, 01:07 PM

Well my point that they never said 100% compatible AT LAUNCH is still valid. Your article even proves they never said that so let us know when your done trolling and bringing up these stupid arguments.

Nutts

01-29-2007, 08:37 PM

If the OP actually OWNED a PS3, he would know how the PS3 deals with PS2 memory cards and controller ports. MGS2 plays fine. It reads the cards like a PS2 would.

And KH2 looks fine on my 51" HDTV on my PS3. Sure, I can see pixels and texture stetching, but that was always there, some games just weren't meant to be scrutinized like that.[/quote]

I've been a memeber here for a looong time. And of course I own a PS3. And I know about the virtual memory cards. What I also know is that the PS3 can't produce rumble. Therefore, some games will surley suffer, as I can't stand to play a racing game without rumble.

What I don't know is how the backwards compatibility works with the "virtual" cards. So, I'm asking people for their experiences of playing old PS2 and PS1 games, to find those games, that you may want to play on the PS2, just to get the full original experience. So if someone says that rumble is very important to game "X" and others agree, then maybe I won't play that in my PS3.

icruise

01-29-2007, 08:50 PM

You might want to fix your quotes there. I thought you were talking to yourself.

Anyway, I'm not sure what your question is. If you have a PS3, why can't you check out the BC yourself? Or does "virtual cards" mean something different than I think?

H.Cornerstone

01-30-2007, 03:16 AM

Well, I originally didn't have progressive scan on my PS2 and I do now on my PS3, and my ps2 was hooked up to a non-flat screen tube TV, so every game looks better now to me.

Zing

01-30-2007, 11:01 AM

I don't understand why interlaced games should look so bad on the PS3. They look fine when the TV is doing the upscaling and deinterlacing. Why is the PS3 doing such a miserable job?

MadFlava

01-30-2007, 11:45 AM

Umm its already fixed for every game. All they have to do is get a handful of games working now. Mainly games that use various special controllers.

Oh and Oasisboy why do you pop into every thread and start bashing Sony and praising Microsoft? No one here even talked about comparing the 360 to PS3 and yet you have to pop in and start going on with the same rant you always do. Seems alot like trolling.

Oh what I ment by improving the BC is maybe getting the PS3 to make slight graphical improvements to PS2 to make them look better at 480p. Like how the PS2 could smooth out the graphics of PS1 games to give them a less jagged look and smoothed out the textures. I was a huge fan of this feature in the PS2 since it make games like Metal Gear Solid and Vagrant story look so much better. I think the PS3 is probably more than capable of doing this, I hope Sony takes the time to implement it after it fixes other issues. But getting the current 480i games to look good in 480p and on HDTV's is a huge step. I hope they could also get upscaling in DVD playback to work eventually.