Update planned for the 24th

[NamPaehc]

At least, that is what Sony Japan is saying. (http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20070123_ps3_150.html)

* The main function which is renewed with system software version 1.50 http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/070123_ps3_150_a.gif
User

It reaches the point where the picture of the user idea contest [ can be chosen from the photo ].http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/070123_ps3_150_b.gif
Setting

[ Edy Viewer ] is added.
[ [ Operation sound ] is added to sound setting ].
[ [ Deletion of the backup data ] is added [ to the backup utility ] of substance setting ].
[ Network setting ] > [ Internet connection setting ] > [ the radio ] [ WEP128 and WPA-PSK (TKIP), WPA-PSK™(AES) is added to the security system which can be utilized [ with AOSS ] of automatic setting classified by access point ]. *

* When it sets AOSS already™with version of the time before, the above-mentioned security system is utilized, once more it is™necessary to set AOSS.
* The security system which it utilizes is set automatically.
™*AOSS is trade mark of the corporation buffalo.http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/070123_ps3_150_c.gif
Network

With®PLAYSTATION Store charge (payment) it is possible "Edy" empty 繧ｦ繧ｩ繝ｬ繝・ヨ it reaches the point where.http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/070123_ps3_150_d.gif
Friend

It reaches®the point where method of the password retaining PLAYSTATION Network/automatic sign in can be chosen.In addition

It reaches the point where it can input Korean with the keyboard.
™You can verify PlayStation of the part®in®PS3 and the up-to-date operational status of the PlayStation 2 standard software with the private search sight.
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Hmmm... Okay that is a bad translation. :) But the stuff I see... Randomly listed.

Of course, more "Security".

"Edy" is like some kind of giftcard/credit card reader you can plug into the PS3's USB port. Sounds interesting though I don't know much about it, though I think it is used a lot in Japan.

Looks like there will be some kind of improvement for backwards compatablity.

You'll be able to input Korean via USB keyboard.

"Operation Sound" I think is either the sound the system makes when it boots up or while your using it. I'm leaning more towards the little "clicks" it makes as you browse through the menu. So it seems you'll be able to either turn them off (can't you already do this?) or make them louder/softer.

NO CLUE why they are removing the backup data option (if that is what they are doing).

Says you'll be able to use your own picture for the user icon which is kind of cool. Sure there will be limits on how large it can be and such. Where it is listed in the update list, seems it will only work on your system user icon. So that means you can't share it or have your own unique picture online yet.

[Ugamer_X]

I'll update the firmware thread, thanks.

[icruise]

Looks like there will be some kind of improvement for backwards compatablity.
The Japanese is pretty vague here. All it says is (in my translation):

You can check the latest operational status for certain PlayStation and PlayStation 2 titles when played on the PS3 by using the dedicated search site.
http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/status/


Does that mean that anything about the backwards compatibility has actually changed? I can't tell.

NO CLUE why they are removing the backup data option (if that is what they are doing).
Not removing the backup option, adding the option to delete backed up files.

Says you'll be able to use your own picture for the user icon which is kind of cool. Sure there will be limits on how large it can be and such. Where it is listed in the update list, seems it will only work on your system user icon. So that means you can't share it or have your own unique picture online yet.

I love how the machine translation thought "icon" was an abbreviation for "idea contest"

[GizmoGC]

Good. Its not like we need proper SD upconversion, HDMI fixes, or better PS2 support. Thanks Sony!

[Zoglog]

how about being able to I don't know... QUEUE downloads or do something else while you download. Cell processor power my ass.

[NamPaehc]

I love how the machine translation thought "icon" was an abbreviation for "idea contest"

Yeh, I wasn't going by that, but I put the translation for others. Some of the words like "Sight" should be "site" but the way it is written the program can't really tell which one should be used.

[panasonic]

Good. Its not like we need proper SD upconversion, HDMI fixes, or better PS2 support. Thanks Sony!

YOU LOSE. The new update fixes all of that too and the playstation bc. :applause: Its not mentioned in the change log but it shows

[rodeojones903]

YOU LOSE. The new update fixes all of that too and the playstation bc. :applause: Its not mentioned in the change log but it shows


Yep, it did. That is awesome news.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/latest-ps3-firmware-hits-fixes-bc-graphical-issues-231003.php

[The Mana Knight]

I can confirm this, it fixes the problems with playing PS2 games on PS3 (some of them). I popped in Tales of the Abyss now, and it looks fine.

I just tried FFX (which had tons of jaggies) and now it looks sweet.

Sony, you rock. :)

[ItsTrueItsTrue92]

The download queue was only put in fairly recently for Xbox 360. I'm sure Sony will get it together one of these days.

[The Mana Knight]

The download queue was only put in fairly recently for Xbox 360. I'm sure Sony will get it together one of these days.They already have. This makes the 360 BC even more worthless now in comparison to what PS3 can play (and play well) now.

[panasonic]

The download queue was only put in fairly recently for Xbox 360. I'm sure Sony will get it together one of these days.

its planned for a march updated

[Brian9824]

Not too shabby. Looks like they've pretty much ironed out all their major bugs now :-)

[dpatel]

Was the 720p downscaling issue fixed? My TV only supports 480i, 480p, and 1080i so Resistance gets downscaled.

[munch]

Was the 720p downscaling issue fixed? My TV only supports 480i, 480p, and 1080i so Resistance gets downscaled.

I'd imagine this thread would be huge if it did.

[dpatel]

That's what I figured. I tried it anyway, still no luck :(

[GizmoGC]

Still no fix for up-converting DVDs.... Which my $300 360 can do.

[icruise]

Only over VGA, though.

[dpatel]

Still no fix for up-converting DVDs.... Which my $300 360 can do.

yea, it sucks. Anyone know what the deal is with the PS3 and upconverting? I have heard numerous conflicting claims about the PS3:

1) It doesn't have the hardware necessary to upconvert.
2) It DOES have the hardware necessary to upconvert, however, that ability is locked by the manufacturer (in hopes to charge Sony to unlock it).
3) It DOES have the hardware necessary to upconvert, but the software needed is absent and could appear in a future firmware update.

Have heard all three of these from numerous websites, and some sort of clarification would be nice.

[panasonic]

Still no fix for up-converting DVDs.... Which my $300 360 can do.
just as icruise said DVD upscale is only through VGA because of copyrights

[GizmoGC]

just as icruise said DVD upscale is only through VGA because of copyrights

Does my 360 upscale? Yes. Ok. Does PS3 upscale over HDMI? No.

You act as if VGA cables are expensive and rare...which they are not. A 360 pair can be had for $10 while HDMI cables are the same price online (or $80 instore)

[icruise]

It's just that most people don't use VGA to connect their game consoles, so most people can't make use of the upscaling.

[dpatel]

Does my 360 upscale? Yes. Ok. Does PS3 upscale over HDMI? No.

You act as if VGA cables are expensive and rare...which they are not. A 360 pair can be had for $10 while HDMI cables are the same price online (or $80 instore)

You are definitely getting ripped off with those HDMI prices. You do know that since the signal is digital, the quality of cable does not matter. So the $8 HDMI cables on monoprice will suffice.

EDIT: Where are you finding the $10 VGA cables? Most of them I have seen are around $30-$40. And I believe the quality can vary among VGA cables, unlike HDMI (I could be wrong).

[DarkNessBear]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/24/ps3-1-5-firmware-update-clears-up-backwards-compatibility-issues/


Anyone see this?

I'm excited for this update!

Atleast Sony is working to improve it...

give them some credit for that.

[whoknows]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/24/ps3-1-5-firmware-update-clears-up-backwards-compatibility-issues/


Anyone see this?

I'm excited for this update!

Atleast Sony is working to improve it...

give them some credit for that.
I'm confused...why be excited about it if it's already out?

[getmyrunon]

Still no fix for up-converting DVDs.... Which my $300 360 can do.

You are getting so predictable. Yawn. If I pay you, will you go troll in the Wii forum instead?

[Mechafenris]

EDIT: Where are you finding the $10 VGA cables? Most of them I have seen are around $30-$40. And I believe the quality can vary among VGA cables, unlike HDMI (I could be wrong).


I can vouch for the quality (or lack thereof) of the cheap VGA cables at Play-Asia... Mine lasted all of two months... then the picture started getting weird... until finally, it went black.... I didn't bother getting the official ones, because my 360 does fine over component right now. (I plugged my computer into the VGA port....pretty neat...)

So, $5-$10 on VGA? You get what you pay for... unlike HDMI, which works fine with a $7.99 cable. :)

:lol:

[DarkNessBear]

I'm confused...why be excited about it if it's already out?

o its out?

[Psykodelik]

o its out?

Yep was on the 24th (Wed.) :D

[DarkNessBear]

Yep was on the 24th (Wed.) :D
Oh hellz yea.

Has anyone tested it out?

[whoknows]

Oh hellz yea.

Has anyone tested it out?
Yeah, everything is fixed regarding BC. Go download and enjoy :)

[NamPaehc]

Just so you know, the schedule for the PS3's update and new online content for the rest of the month and a little beyond.

Before end of Jan. -
Upcoming PS3 Content
- Blast Factor multiplayer pack ($2.99)
- Gran Turismo™HD Concept trailer
Upcoming PSP Content
- WipeOut® emulated PlayStation title ($5.99)
- Jet Moto® emulated PlayStation title ($5.99)
Other Upcoming Content
- GOD OF WAR® II trailer
- Warner Bros. movie trailers

Feb. -
Upcoming PS3 Content
- Flow

March -
Upcoming PS3 Content
- Calling All Cars (think this was stated somewhere...)
- New, BIG system update including:

Multi-tasking (included will be audio/video conferencing while browsing the XMB and its features/gameplay)
New XMB display options
New animations for audio playback
New photo album options
PlayStation Store auto [download] resume
PSP remote play advanced access option (so that you can have access to your PS3's content anywhere that has a internet connection)

[whoknows]

Download Resume and Multi-tasking will be awesome when they finally come out :)

[The Mana Knight]

Download Resume and Multi-tasking will be awesome when they finally come out :)Ditto. :) I cannot wait myself.

[dpatel]

Still no fix for up-converting DVDs.... Which my $300 360 can do.

Wow. I can't believe you bought the core 360 and you bought the Premium PS3. You should really sit down and think about your purchases sometimes.

[GizmoGC]

Wow. I can't believe you bought the core 360 and you bought the Premium PS3. You should really sit down and think about your purchases sometimes.

I have a Premium 360. I meant to say a $300 Xbox can do what a $500 PS3 cannot.

[dpatel]

I have a Premium 360. I meant to say a $300 Xbox can do what a $500 PS3 cannot.

Ah ok. So its not YOUR $300 xbox.

Anyway, how about those $10 VGA cables I asked about?

[GizmoGC]

You are definitely getting ripped off with those HDMI prices. You do know that since the signal is digital, the quality of cable does not matter. So the $8 HDMI cables on monoprice will suffice.

EDIT: Where are you finding the $10 VGA cables? Most of them I have seen are around $30-$40. And I believe the quality can vary among VGA cables, unlike HDMI (I could be wrong).

Frys. Got mine there for $9.99.

As mentioned earlier, I know HDMI cables can be purchased online for $10, I purchased 4 of them from Monoprice before I even considered a PS3. However not everyone will buy them online, and if they don't, they will spend at the very least $60 on them. VGA cables for the 360 are between $20-$40 (for official MS ones).

[Psykodelik]

Wipeout on the psp is tempting. I didn't buy the psp one...don't remember why because it was on my "to buy" list. I know I'll be getting flOw in Feb! Hmm, I guess tekken DR won't be coming out in Feb. either. I know about the "new" content...just didn't expect to not be on the list in Feb or March. Maybe that'll change later though..here's to hoping.

[sshirhall]

Anyway, how about those $10 VGA cables I asked about?

monoprice.com

[NamPaehc]

Wipeout on the psp is tempting. I didn't buy the psp one...don't remember why because it was on my "to buy" list. I know I'll be getting flOw in Feb! Hmm, I guess tekken DR won't be coming out in Feb. either. I know about the "new" content...just didn't expect to not be on the list in Feb or March. Maybe that'll change later though..here's to hoping.
It might be but... Well, past Jan, that is the stuff I had to put together myself from around the web to give everyone a sort of timeline of confirmed PS content. There is a lot more I'm sure that'll be happening in the coming months.

Midway might release their first retro game in March also, which isn't listed there for example.

[dpatel]

Frys. Got mine there for $9.99.

As mentioned earlier, I know HDMI cables can be purchased online for $10, I purchased 4 of them from Monoprice before I even considered a PS3. However not everyone will buy them online, and if they don't, they will spend at the very least $60 on them. VGA cables for the 360 are between $20-$40 (for official MS ones).

Not everyone will buy $10 HDMI cables, but everyone will buy the lesser quality $10 VGA cables from frys? (keep in mind that FRY's stores aren't that widespread, so you shouldn't even include this price).

What about people wanting slightly better quality cables?

It doesn't matter what you think people will do when buying cables. The truth is, you don't know. I could claim that many people bought $80 VGA cables to try and back my argument.

And where do you find 360 cables for $20? The MSRP is $40. Maybe YOU could find them for $20, but, remember, we are basing this argument (for some strange reason) on what YOU think people will be more likely to purchase. And since everyone, according to you, is so willing to buy $80 cables (probably true), I guess people will also be willing to overpay for VGA cables to, which, for some reason, invalidates the cheaper VGA cable models and makes the price ,that we are using for this argument, the higher price.

Forget the fact that the same quality HDMI cables are $70 cheaper, lets use a ridiculously high price to back my argument that Sony cheated us out of $10 cabl.. excuse me, $80 cables.

[dpatel]

monoprice.com

thanks, but, apparently, if the source of this cheaper price isn't known by casuals, then it doesn't exist. When comparing prices, we must take into account what all the ignorant casuals will go for, and not was is actually available.

[GizmoGC]

Not everyone will buy $10 HDMI cables, but everyone will buy the lesser quality $10 VGA cables from frys? (keep in mind that FRY's stores aren't that widespread, so you shouldn't even include this price).

What about people wanting slightly better quality cables?

It doesn't matter what you think people will do when buying cables. The truth is, you don't know. I could claim that many people bought $80 VGA cables to try and back my argument.

And where do you find 360 cables for $20? The MSRP is $40. Maybe YOU could find them for $20, but, remember, we are basing this argument (for some strange reason) on what YOU think people will be more likely to purchase. And since everyone, according to you, is so willing to buy $80 cables (probably true), I guess people will also be willing to overpay for VGA cables to, which, for some reason, invalidates the cheaper VGA cable models and makes the price ,that we are using for this argument, the higher price.

Forget the fact that the same quality HDMI cables are $70 cheaper, lets use a ridiculously high price to back my argument that Sony cheated us out of $10 cabl.. excuse me, $80 cables.


Any retail stores which sells HDMI cables for $10? Any? Anyone? Best Buy? Fry's? Circuit City? Wal-Mart? NO
Any retail stores which sells VGA Cables for $10? Fry's? Yes
Do other stores carry off-brand VGA cables for $20? Any? Yes. See Fry's. See even Best Buy where I have seen them before (MadCatz)

What are people more likely to do, go online and find a website which sells HDMI cables for $10, or go into Best Buy and think $80 is the norm? I would say buying from Best Buy. Even if buying from Best Buy means buying the official MS VGA cables which are $40. Thats HALF the price of an HDMI cable for and letting the 360 upscale DVDs which the PS3 cannot do or any price.

Can a $300 360 + $40 VGA cable upscale DVDs? YES
Can a $500 PS3 + $60 HDMI cable upscale DVDs? NO

BIG DIFFERENCE. And yes, I am still pissed Sony did not included even COMPONENT cables which the PS3. WTF were they thinking? Might as well make us buy the Power Cable as well.

Are we going to get into an argument about the prices of fucking cables now?

[dpatel]

Any retail stores which sells HDMI cables for $10? Any? Anyone? Best Buy? Fry's? Circuit City? Wal-Mart? NO
Any retail stores which sells VGA Cables for $10? Fry's? Yes
Do other stores carry off-brand VGA cables for $20? Any? Yes. See Fry's. See even Best Buy where I have seen them before (MadCatz)

What are people more likely to do, go online and find a website which sells HDMI cables for $10, or go into Best Buy and think $80 is the norm? I would say buying from Best Buy. Even if buying from Best Buy means buying the official MS VGA cables which are $40. Thats HALF the price of an HDMI cable for and letting the 360 upscale DVDs which the PS3 cannot do or any price.

Can a $300 360 + $40 VGA cable upscale DVDs? YES
Can a $500 PS3 + $60 HDMI cable upscale DVDs? NO

BIG DIFFERENCE. And yes, I am still pissed Sony did not included even COMPONENT cables which the PS3. WTF were they thinking? Might as well make us buy the Power Cable as well.

Are we going to get into an argument about the prices of fucking cables now?

I still don't see how ignorant buyers factor into your argument. HDMI cables are $8, fact. VGA cables are $10 (although the better quality ones will be a bit more), fact.

Even the cheapest VGA cable is slightly more than HDMI and offers lesser quality.

It does suck that at least the premium didn't come with components. I wouldn't have used them either way, since I already had some for the PS2, but I can see why someone would be pissed. Are you seriously using component cables though? I would suggest investing in some HDMI cables instead. Cheaper and much better. And it would save you the trouble of getting angry over those cables which you shouldn't be using anyway.

[GizmoGC]

I still don't see how ignorant buyers factor into your argument. HDMI cables are $8, fact. VGA cables are $10 (although the better quality ones will be a bit more), fact.

Even the cheapest VGA cable is slightly more than HDMI and offers lesser quality.

It does suck that at least the premium didn't come with components. I wouldn't have used them either way, since I already had some for the PS2, but I can see why someone would be pissed. Are you seriously using component cables though? I would suggest investing in some HDMI cables instead. Cheaper and much better. And it would save you the trouble of getting angry over those cables which you shouldn't be using anyway.

How many people are going to go online, search, find HDMI cables for $8, and buy them? Not many. Buying at a store is a convience, and some will think $80 for an HDMI cable is the norm (as it is this price at most stores like Best Buy, Circuit City, Fry's). Thats like saying no one will buy DVDs in an actual store because they are cheaper online (Obviously there is a greater price difference in HDMI cables, but who would think it would be 800% cheaper?).

No, not using component cables or the PS3. HDMI only. I just think its incredibly cheap of Sony to not even include component cables for such an 'HD' system, and or the $500-$600 pricetag (compared to the 360 which adds them in with the $400 version). Everything I own using the highest possible output. If its 360, its Component, if its Wii, its Component, if its PS3, its HDMI. Thats why I bought two HDTVs, and I plan on using them and my electronics to the highest video they can go. Sadly I live in an apartment so sound had to suffer somewhat.

[zman73]

How many people are going to go online, search, find HDMI cables for $8, and buy them? Not many. Buying at a store is a convience, and some will think $80 for an HDMI cable is the norm (as it is this price at most stores like Best Buy, Circuit City, Fry's). Thats like saying no one will buy DVDs in an actual store because they are cheaper online (Obviously there is a greater price difference in HDMI cables, but who would think it would be 800% cheaper?).

No, not using component cables or the PS3. HDMI only. I just think its incredibly cheap of Sony to not even include component cables for such an 'HD' system, and or the $500-$600 pricetag (compared to the 360 which adds them in with the $400 version). Everything I own using the highest possible output. If its 360, its Component, if its Wii, its Component, if its PS3, its HDMI. Thats why I bought two HDTVs, and I plan on using them and my electronics to the highest video they can go. Sadly I live in an apartment so sound had to suffer somewhat.

Sorry to correct you but if HDMI cables in BB are $80 and you get them for monoproce for $8, the price at monoprice is 1/10 that of BB, you save 90% off of BB's price by going and buying through monoprice (which I have)

[GizmoGC]

Sorry to correct you but if HDMI cables in BB are $80 and you get them for monoproce for $8, the price at monoprice is 1/10 that of BB, you save 90% off of BB's price by going and buying through monoprice (which I have)

Or an 800% markup of what monoprice sells them for.

[Ugamer_X]

Or an 800% markup of what monoprice sells them for.
I hope that was a joke.

[GizmoGC]

I hope that was a joke.

Yes. I'm getting bored. Just like with the PS3 game selection. Oh yeah, I went there.

[dpatel]

How many people are going to go online, search, find HDMI cables for $8, and buy them? Not many. Buying at a store is a convience, and some will think $80 for an HDMI cable is the norm (as it is this price at most stores like Best Buy, Circuit City, Fry's). Thats like saying no one will buy DVDs in an actual store because they are cheaper online (Obviously there is a greater price difference in HDMI cables, but who would think it would be 800% cheaper?).

I'm not even sure why you keep brining up the $80 price point. HDMI cables (that work as well as the rest) can be had for $8. You and I both agree on that. Just because this price point isn't as well known, doesn't make it non-existant.

No, not using component cables or the PS3. HDMI only. I just think its incredibly cheap of Sony to not even include component cables for such an 'HD' system, and or the $500-$600 pricetag (compared to the 360 which adds them in with the $400 version). Everything I own using the highest possible output. If its 360, its Component, if its Wii, its Component, if its PS3, its HDMI. Thats why I bought two HDTVs, and I plan on using them and my electronics to the highest video they can go. Sadly I live in an apartment so sound had to suffer somewhat.

It is cheap, but all the complaining is just a waste of time, in my opinion. You are complaining about the lack of a cable that you would've just tossed aside because it was inferior.

If I were you, I would probably be far more irked at the fact that the Wii and the 360 don't even support HDMI at all. Sure its bad enough not to include component cables, requiring you to buy your own (which you would've done anyway), but to not even support the most superior cable, that would just be terrible for someone who is clearly going for the best quality out there. If you are complaining this much about some cables that you won't even use, I can't even imagine what you are thinking about MS and Ninty not supporting HDMI.

That said, I am also EXTREMELY surprised that someone who goes for the best quality actually cheaped out on the VGA cables. You do know that cheaper VGA cables are actually inferior to mid and upper range cables, right? They aren't like HDMI.

Yes. I'm getting bored. Just like with the PS3 game selection. Oh yeah, I went there.

..and yet, you spend an awful lot of time on the PS3 message board. Maybe you should actually invest this time in those 3 consoles you own. Just a thought.

[getmyrunon]

..and yet, you spend an awful lot of time on the PS3 message board. Maybe you should actually invest this time in those 3 consoles you own. Just a thought.

Finding entertainment by playing a system you own? Getttt outt.... It's way more fun to spend hours a day on message boards talking about how shitty it is.

[GizmoGC]

I'm not even sure why you keep brining up the $80 price point. HDMI cables (that work as well as the rest) can be had for $8. You and I both agree on that. Just because this price point isn't as well known, doesn't make it non-existant.



It is cheap, but all the complaining is just a waste of time, in my opinion. You are complaining about the lack of a cable that you would've just tossed aside because it was inferior.

If I were you, I would probably be far more irked at the fact that the Wii and the 360 don't even support HDMI at all. Sure its bad enough not to include component cables, requiring you to buy your own (which you would've done anyway), but to not even support the most superior cable, that would just be terrible for someone who is clearly going for the best quality out there. If you are complaining this much about some cables that you won't even use, I can't even imagine what you are thinking about MS and Ninty not supporting HDMI.

That said, I am also EXTREMELY surprised that someone who goes for the best quality actually cheaped out on the VGA cables. You do know that cheaper VGA cables are actually inferior to mid and upper range cables, right? They aren't like HDMI.



..and yet, you spend an awful lot of time on the PS3 message board. Maybe you should actually invest this time in those 3 consoles you own. Just a thought.

Again, just because it can be purchases for $8 does not mean that is the accepted pricepoint for it. I can buy MANY things cheaper on the internet, should we change the 'price' on those as well? Because not a single person ever buys anything at retail, I'm shocked Best Buy is still in business. :roll: Lets dismiss all those silly B&M prices as they don't exist. Everyone has the internet, and everyone knows exactly where to find the cheapest possible price on their item.

I have two sets of VGA cords, 1 3rd party, 1 official MS.

Why should I be pissed a $250 Wii did not include HDMI? Nintendo did not want it, so they didn't include it. Not shocked as Nintendo has never really been about 'the graphics' in the past few generations, even including the GBA/DS line, whose graphics can not match the PSP, yet shatter them in sales.

The 360 SHOULD have an HDMI port, but was released over a year ago. I'm not too pissed it was not included back then, simply because the prices of HDTVs were more expensive today. Do they even sell normal TVs? Everything I see at Best Buy is an HDTV with HDMI. Sony is marketing the PS3 as the HD Gaming machine, not to include a simple HDMI cable, hell even component, is just damn cheapof them. But hey, its Sony. We got a free copy of Talledega Nights!

[dpatel]

Again, just because it can be purchases for $8 does not mean that is the accepted pricepoint for it. I can buy MANY things cheaper on the internet, should we change the 'price' on those as well? Because not a single person ever buys anything at retail, I'm shocked Best Buy is still in business. :roll: Lets dismiss all those silly B&M prices as they don't exist. Everyone has the internet, and everyone knows exactly where to find the cheapest possible price on their item.

The fact that you think this logic makes sense is amusing. I'm just going to try and stop to reason with you on this, since you are clearly convinced that you are right.

I have two sets of VGA cords, 1 3rd party, 1 official MS.

So what is the point of citing the $10 cable example, when you clearly don't even use them?

Why should I be pissed a $250 Wii did not include HDMI? Nintendo did not want it, so they didn't include it. Not shocked as Nintendo has never really been about 'the graphics' in the past few generations, even including the GBA/DS line, whose graphics can not match the PSP, yet shatter them in sales.

True. I just figured someone who wanted the best picture quality would at least want the option of HDMI. But I guess, nintendo did make it clear from day 1 they would not be including anything like that.

The 360 SHOULD have an HDMI port, but was released over a year ago. I'm not too pissed it was not included back then, simply because the prices of HDTVs were more expensive today. Do they even sell normal TVs? Everything I see at Best Buy is an HDTV with HDMI.

Yea, it's a shame they were not as good at future proofing. Maybe the next xbox will satisfy your TV needs, have the option to use your own KB/M, have the ability to use any headset, have the ability to install multiple types of OSs, and make better use of the HDD (maybe by making it standard).

Sony is marketing the PS3 as the HD Gaming machine, not to include a simple HDMI cable, hell even component, is just damn cheapof them. But hey, its Sony. We got a free copy of Talledega Nights!

Hey, I totally agree that it was a stupid move on their part. Maybe you should complain to them that the machines isn't HD out of the box. Then if they send you some component cables, you can toss them aside, and continue to use the superior HDMI cables and find something else to complain about.. err excuse me. I meant to say that you will hook up the HDMI cables but then not even play the thing becuase you will be too busy trying to find more things wrong about it here.

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Haha, dpatel is the greatest.

Check out giz's backhanded comment on the Scaler thread after the point had been made 2 or 3 times that the BC issue is now moot.

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liek zomg HDMI! who gives a shit about component vs. HDMI, just hook up your console to your HDTV and enjoy the games in HD