F... Canada

[CTLesq]

http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm

Politically Incorrect
Poll: over 40% of Canadian teens think America is "evil"
by Arthur Weinreb

June 30, 2004

Can West News Services, owners of several Canadian newspapers including the National Post as well as the Global Television Network commissioned a series of polls to determine how young people feel about the issues that were facing the country’s voters. Dubbed "Youth Vote 2004", the polls, sponsored by the Dominion Institute and Navigator Ltd. were taken with a view to getting more young people involved in the political process.

In one telephone poll of teens between the ages of 14 and 18, over 40 per cent of the respondents described the United States as being "evil". That number rose to 64 per cent for French Canadian youth.

This being Canada, the amount of anti-Americanism that was found is not surprising. What is significant is the high number of teens who used the word "evil" to describe our southern neighbour. As Misty Harris pointed out in her column in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix, evil is usually associated with serial killers and "kids who tear the legs off baby spiders." These teens appear to equate George W. Bush and Americans with Osama bin Laden and Hitler, although it is unknown if the teens polled would describe the latter two as being evil. Whether someone who orders planes to be flown into heavily populated buildings would fit that description would make a good subject for a future poll.

The Liberal government came into power in 1993 gushing anti-Americanism. Former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien’s communications director, Francoise Ducros, made headlines when she referred to President Bush as a moron. Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish was picked up on a boom microphone saying, "Damn Americans — I hate those bastards". Not only did Parrish not apologize for her remarks, but she later appeared on a television show hosted by alleged comedian Mike Bullard and laughed about the incident. Parrish played to the anti-Americanism of the youthful studio audience by saying that she couldn’t guarantee that she wouldn’t do it again.

Not only did then Prime Minister Jean Chrétien not take any action against his staff or caucus members, he himself engaged in America-bashing. The depth of his anti-Americanism surfaced shortly after the 9/11 attacks when he blamed the arrogance and greed of the West (read the United States) for those attacks.

When Paul Martin assumed office last December, the childish cheap shots ended but, if anything, anti-Americanism became stronger.

Anti-Americanism played a prominent role in the election strategy of the Liberals. Paul Martin portrayed himself as the saviour of Canadian medicare while saying that if Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada came to power they would introduce "American-style" health care. Martin was happy to take credit for cutting taxes and eliminating the deficit during the 1990s when he was Minister of Finance, but he referred to tax cuts included in the Conservative Party platform as being "American-style tax cuts". Canadians who favour lower taxes or the private delivery of health care services or smaller governments or anything similar to what is found in the United States were called "un-Canadian" by Paul Martin.

It is therefore not surprising that a high percentage of Canadian youth think that the United States is evil. Nor is it surprising that this feeling is more pronounced in Quebec where Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe said that he would rather live under the United Nations than the Stars and Stripes. The left wing Canadian political parties, aided by their supporters in the elite media don’t seem to be able to say anything positive about Canada without denigrating the United States in the process.

The poll results reflect that anti-Americanism will be solidly entrenched in future generations of Canadians. As well as listening to the propaganda espoused by their political leaders and the media, these kids have no experience with what constitutes real evil. They live in a country that much like pre-9/11 America, thinks that terrorist attacks are something that happens in other countries. And as the World War II veterans slowly die off, they have no conviction of the evil that the allies risked their lives to defeat.

With anti-Americanism playing such a prominent role in this past election campaign, it is no wonder that the United States was viewed in such a negative light.

Arthur Weinreb, a lawyer and author, is Associate Editor of Toronto Free Press and Canadafreepress.com. He can be reached at: aweinreb@interlog.com

[btantra]

Well, you have to respect their opinion and to some extent, I have to agree with the news.

[CTLesq]

Well, you have to respect their opinion and to some extent, I have to agree with the news.

No, actually I don't.

[btantra]

Well, this is a free country with freedom of speech, so I respect the fact that you don't agree with their opinion too, everyone is entitled with opinion

[peteloaf]

I'm curious as to how many AMERICAN teens see the American Government as evil.

Just about every teen I know would say so. Of course this is slightly slanted. Most of the teens I know come from lower income families. Maybe if the Bush tax cuts actually worked for thier families, it would be a different story...

[CTLesq]

Well, this is a free country with freedom of speech, so I respect the fact that you don't agree with their opinion too, everyone is entitled with opinion

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

[btantra]

Besides, it's not only the Canadians think that America is evil now. Most of the world think that way now. If you don't believe me, well, you should read more news.

[jmcc]

America IS evil. What's the problem here? That someone else is pointing it out?

[Wshakspear]

When Canada attacks, at least Conan O'Brien will be saved...

[PsyClerk]

Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.

[TiKi2]

America IS evil. What's the problem here? That someone else is pointing it out?


Living here my whole life (USA) , I must say that I think greed is the first thing in everyone's life , what they want to get , what they already have. The funny part is when you die say bye-bye to all the SHIT you bought.

[jmcc]

Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.

Our startling dearth of supervillains doesn't mean we're not evil.

[Wshakspear]

Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.

Evil = Bad, wrong...Badong if you will.

How are they supposed to view a country that is engaging in a war that they started while at the same time making fun of Canadiens any chance they get, eh? Some people here in the states have an incredibly crappy view of the US why should people who get all thier information from forign (spelling, i know...) news think any different?

[PsyClerk]

In that case, I stand for the opposite of evil...Gnodab.

[jmcc]

Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.

Evil = Bad, wrong...Badong if you will.

How are they supposed to view a country that is engaging in a war that they started while at the same time making fun of Canadiens any chance they get, eh? Some people here in the states have an incredibly crappy view of the US why should people who get all thier information from forign (spelling, i know...) news think any different?

While I'm sure that's what the Canadians were talking about it's not what makes us evil. We drain the world's resources more than any other nation and we have almost a complete disregard for the environment at home and abroad. Petty political actions like the Iraq invasion are small change in the grand scheme of how we're screwing up the planet.

[PsyClerk]

While I'm sure that's what the Canadians were talking about it's not what makes us evil. We drain the world's resources more than any other nation and we have almost a complete disregard for the environment at home and abroad. Petty political actions like the Iraq invasion are small change in the grand scheme of how we're screwing up the planet.

And right underneath his post, a tagline that encourages the consumerism that can be 'blamed' for that same resource drain, disregard for the environment, etc.

Oh sweet irony! Delicious like a warm sticky bun straight from the oven on a cold winter morn!

Only $1.99 at Hardee's!

[Wshakspear]

Oh, belive me, i know. But watching the cbc, they do cover the iraq war quite a bit, and its not always in the nicest of light...unlike, say, FoxNews.

And im also getting annoyed ith people saying were the best country in the world because of free speech and the like. Really? So the FCC isnt making it so all radio sounds like Disney? So buisness run in Florida dont have the option of a smoking area, even if it means the decimation of said buisness?

I'm enjoying my little corner of the world here in my comic book store, but even we are getting pressured based on content. A law was passed, but thankfully the state prosecuters arnt holding to it, where not only if a book has a violent/sexual image on the cover has to be put out of kids eyes (mostly understandable), but any book that has bad things in it with a perfectly fine cover have to hidden away. What the shit is that?

I really should rant in the morning....im gonna go move stuff...

[bignick]

Fuck Canada.

[jmcc]

While I'm sure that's what the Canadians were talking about it's not what makes us evil. We drain the world's resources more than any other nation and we have almost a complete disregard for the environment at home and abroad. Petty political actions like the Iraq invasion are small change in the grand scheme of how we're screwing up the planet.

And right underneath his post, a tagline that encourages the consumerism that can be 'blamed' for that same resource drain, disregard for the environment, etc.

Oh sweet irony! Delicious like a warm sticky bun straight from the oven on a cold winter morn!

Only $1.99 at Hardee's!

You shut your goddamned mouth, Psyclerk! The sticky bun is pure good! Never again mention it as anecdotal evidence of consumeristic evil!

[PsyClerk]

Think of the carbs.

AND NOW YOU KNOW BUT A MERE SLIVER OF MY EVIL SCHEME!

[CoffeeEdge]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

Evil sounds like a corny word to describe America, so I will instead say that it is an arrogant, wastful, destructive crybaby of a country. At least, some people in it and a lot of it's current leaders are. I know that a lot of people want to change the "destructive" and "wasteful" parts. I won't say that it isn't a fine place to live, but England and Canada and Australia and plenty of other countries are just as good. It's not necessarily the people, but it's the dumbfounding, completly against-policy actions of our president and his administration. This could be a perfectly fine country (as in, one that doesn't rape the planet and start random wars), but it's just the mindset that people like Bush have that's keeping this from being a country that I (or a lot of the rest of the world) can respect politically. Honestly, when there are millions of people that believe in what I quoted, what do you expect? For the world to think that that's really wonderful? Honestly, America's problems in world standing are it's own fault. There is so much that Bush has done wrong, none of the world-wide resentment of the US could possibly be a suprise. I want so bad for it to be a better country, and if people want the world to stop hating us...then quit being arrogant fools. Ug. I don't want to get into this any further. It's complicated. I don't hate America/American's, I just think some things need to be quite a bit different.

[CTLesq]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL

[PsyClerk]

If another country's population thinks we are 'evil' that implies that they are not, thus, logically, they believe they are better than the US.

Therefore, it has been put forth that if another country's population believes itself better than that of the US, then this is acceptable and should be considered normal. On the other hand, if the US population believes itself to be above that of another country's population, it is 'arrogance.'

Thanks for clearing that up, chief.

Verily.

[CTLesq]

CT

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL[/quote]


What an ignorant post. Its a crying shame that our troops serve our country for jackasses that think like that ![/quote]

Funny as I am a CPT in the JAG Reserves thank you very much.

I fail to see how you can even remotely challenge my assertion of American cultural dominance.

Even the French have a Disney Land.

[Bann]

When Canada attacks, at least Conan O'Brien will be saved...
Yeah, they loved him in Toronto. Them were some good shows.

[CoffeeEdge]

Uh...saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them. And how do you define "better" exactly, anyway? But yeah, that makes no sense. Any way, fuck this topic. It's stupid and pointless. My take:


Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
ooh, they're red, white and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail To The Chief",
oh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,

It ain't me, it ain't me,
I ain't no senator's son,
It ain't me, it ain't me,
I ain't no fortunate one, no,

[Wshakspear]

When Canada attacks, at least Conan O'Brien will be saved...
Yeah, they loved him in Toronto. Them were some good shows.

I loved the race between the Seattle Space Needle and Toronto's CN Tower when the mounty tripped the space needle...too funny. damnit, now i want to watch those again <goes and looks for laptop..>

[CoffeeEdge]

Those were good episodes. My favorite bit: when Adam Sandler was on, and every other guest on the show had been a Canadian, and he said something to the effect of:
"No, no, I'm a Canadian. I'm from...Sasquatchenon."

[ElwoodCuse]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL

what

[PsyClerk]

Uh...saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them.

Certainly implies that the one making the statement is not evil. I know, tough concept. But we're pretty lax on grades around here.

And how do you define "better" exactly, anyway?

Hey, looks like someone read Clinton's book!

*rimshot*

But yeah, that makes no sense. Any way, shaq-fu this topic. It's stupid and pointless.

Translation: I have no idea why I posted here in the first place. Since I can't make myself look cool, I'll skulk away.

Thank you, goodnight, we love you AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

/arrogant WORLD CITIZEN, thank you very much

[CTLesq]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL

what

Its very easy to follow.

[jmcc]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL

what

Its very easy to follow.

Yeah, it's like a Toby Keith song.

[starman9000]

Is there something surprising from this? Its not like American politicians dont warn against Canadian/European style govts. Im sure at least 40% of Americans (and not just kids) think Canada is evil cause they think Canada is Socialist and if they are socialist, then they must be commie pinko bastards.
Coffee, saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion.....and CTL if you are looking for a challenge to American cultural dominance, look to the original post. If America Dominated there wouldnt be the criticism. We influence, more than other countries will admit, but less than you think.

[jmcc]

We influence, more than other countries will admit, but less than you think.

And often not in a positive way.

[CoffeeEdge]

Certainly implies that the one making the statement is not evil. I know, tough concept. But we're pretty lax on grades around here.

No. No it does not. Does calling someone good mean that you are implying that you yourself are not good? No. You can achknowledge things weather you are evil or good or whatever. Objectivity is not limited to the beholder being "good" or "evil." Oh, and thank you for calling me stupid in such a creative way. I really appreciate it, and now I respect you a lot more because of it. Obviously, it is necessary for you to do that to defend yourself and make your point.

Hey, looks like someone read Clinton's book!

*rimshot*

No. No I did not. Hardly knew that it existed. Clever and presumptuous of you, though. TOUCHE. By "better," I was asking on what grounds.




Translation: I have no idea why I posted here in the first place. Since I can't make myself look cool, I'll skulk away.

Thank you, goodnight, we love you AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

/arrogant WORLD CITIZEN, thank you very much

No. There is nothing I can do to change your opinion. You don't care about other ideas. You don't want to hear it. So I would be wasting my time. I've said what I need to say, and I don't feel the need to make myself look "cool." So I guess that's all any of this is about, huh? Looking cool? Well, I'm glad to know that your politics/opinions are so deep.

[CoffeeEdge]

Coffee, saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion

Uh...Isn't that exactly what I said? Are you tyring to correct me or something? Or are you agreeing?

[PsyClerk]

Oh, and thank you for calling me stupid in such a creative way.

*sniff* No one's ever THANKED me before. God bless you sir/madam!

No. No I did not. Hardly knew that it existed.

Wow, that's a new one. Hardly knew it existed? What cave do you live in, 'cause I wanna move!

No. There is nothing I can do to change your opinion. You don't care about other ideas. You don't want to hear it. So I would be wasting my time.

Man, you should go read that post where that one guy calls that other guy presumptuous.

I've said what I need to say, and I don't feel the need to make myself look "cool." So I guess that's all any of this is about, huh? Looking cool? Well, I'm glad to know that your politics/opinions are so deep.

Ah, don't worry about it too much, jerky. Though thanks for making it absolutely clear that you missed my point.

[nikkai]

The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted. And anyone who doesn't believe we are the richest mofo's in the world has got problems. The only thing I wish is that we would freaking give back a lil to the world; ie: Africa...


And my personal bash: Anyone who doesn't like it in America, there's the door. Another great thing about America is that you can easily leave the country if you're a citizen. So stop whining and get the hell out. Or shut up and sit down. But of course, you're entitled to your amendment rights...

[CoffeeEdge]

The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted.

That argument is obnoxious. Why do people want to make people feel guilty for doing what they are allowed to do?

[starman9000]

Coffee, saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion

Uh...Isn't that exactly what I said? Are you tyring to correct me or something? Or are you agreeing?


Well I guess I misunderstood this statement: "Uh...saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them."

[nikkai]

The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted.

That argument is obnoxious. Why do people want to make people feel guilty for doing what they are allowed to do?

Um. What're you talking about? I'm being sincere. That's the problem with posting, people always think someone is being sarcastic when they're not. I guess I need the tags to make sure they're not the [sacrcasm] [/sarcasm]. =P

[CoffeeEdge]

*sniff* No one's ever THANKED me before. God bless you sir/madam!

Wow. How can I contend with such wit? That's the best argument I've ever heard! I feel like a real moron compared to this. Sarcasticly taking a sarcastic statement seriously rather than defending your view, now that's clever! Now I really want to take you seriously!

Wow, that's a new one. Hardly knew it existed? What cave do you live in, 'cause I wanna move!

Oh ho! Funny! Taking me extremly literally! Good one. I mean I don't know anything about it. I've heard that he wrote a book of his memoirs, though.

Man, you should go read that post where that one guy calls that other guy presumptuous.

Not "you" as in PsyClerk. "You" as in people like that. I guess I should have said "you people." Oh, and was it presumptuous of me to think that I couldn't change your opinion? So that means I can?


Ah, don't worry about it too much, jerky. Though thanks for making it absolutely clear that you missed my point.

What? You missed my point by implying, with your "translation" of me not wanting to be involved in this nonsense, that all I wanted to do was "look cool." I see your point, and I said I don't care enough to want to change you opinion, nor do I want to. Not my place. Obviously, though, your point includes making insulting me with such mind-numbing genius as "jerky." God. That's just genius.

[CoffeeEdge]

Starman, both of our statements mean the same thing. I just didn't mention the assertion thing. Oh, and I said "someone" rather that "another country."

I said = Saying that someone/thing is evil does not imply that you think you are better than them

You said = Saying another country is evil does not imply you think you are better, it's a straight foward assertion.

How could you misunderstand me?

[Dok Diamond]

i think our government is evil, bush is a one term president

[CoffeeEdge]

i think our government is evil, bush is a one term president

Thank you.

[jmcc]

I think Ben Franklin said it best: "Watch out countries cause you know we don't love ya, America is one bad motherf.ucker. We's a low life pimp with a low life game, we needs a no life country with a strobe light frame."

[starman9000]

Starman, both of our statements mean the same thing. I just didn't mention the assertion thing. Oh, and I said "someone" rather that "another country."

I said = Saying that someone/thing is evil does not imply that you think you are better than them

You said = Saying another country is evil does not imply you think you are better, it's a straight foward assertion.

How could you misunderstand me?

Pretty easily actually. Read what you said. You implied that the person making the statement doesnt think they are better. I actually dont think I misunderstood you. I think you dont even understand yourself.

[PsyClerk]

Wow. How can I contend with such wit?

Well, DUH! You can't!

Oh ho! Funny! Taking me extremly literally! Good one. I mean I don't know anything about it. I've heard that he wrote a book of his memoirs, though.

Vincent: What's a pilot?

Jules: Well, you know the shows on TV?

Vincent: I don't watch TV.

Jules: Yes, but you're aware that there's an invention called television, and on that invention, they show shows?

Made me think of that. Need to do some Pulp Fiction screen caps.

Not "you" as in PsyClerk. "You" as in people like that. I guess I should have said "you people." Oh, and was it presumptuous of me to think that I couldn't change your opinion? So that means I can?

Are you SURE you didn't read Clinton's book?

Obviously, though, your point includes making insulting me with such mind-numbing genius as "jerky." God. That's just genius.

ISN'T it though? I sometimes amaze myself.

You know, for a guy that said this whole topic was stupid and pointless, you sure do post a lot on it.

BTW, if you haven't figured it out, pretty much everything I've posted on this topic (hell, almost all of CAG) is meant to be taken in a humorous (that is, non-serious) vein. You either have a poor sense of humor, or feel your position is so tenuous that you must defend it even from simple teasing. Either way, I hope you can find a good laugh somewhere. You appear to need it badly, like a Wizard in Gauntlet needs food.

And don't worry, you get exempt from my evil machinations from here on out. Sticks-in-the-mud turn me off.

Now, for the rest of you...WHO LOVES ME?!? Let's see a show of hands, and don't be bashful.

Be sure to order my new book, How To Be An Arrogant American, for only three easy payments of $29.95. Order now and we'll throw in a free illustrated book cover featuring 512 WACKY ways for Osama bin Laden to buy the farm!

[PsyClerk]

I think Ben Franklin said it best: "Watch out countries cause you know we don't love ya, America is one bad motherf.ucker. We's a low life pimp with a low life game, we needs a no life country with a strobe light frame."

Benny Frank (his street name) kept it real. I think he was from Compton.

[jmcc]

I think Ben Franklin said it best: "Watch out countries cause you know we don't love ya, America is one bad motherf.ucker. We's a low life pimp with a low life game, we needs a no life country with a strobe light frame."

Benny Frank (his street name) kept it real. I think he was from Compton.

Verily. Fo' real.

[CoffeeEdge]

Pretty easily actually. Read what you said. You implied that the person making the statement doesnt think they are better. I actually dont think I misunderstood you. I think you dont even understand yourself.

What? OK, what was YOUR statement? I don't think you understand yourself.

[Reality's Fringe]

Well, if there's one thing I totally support, it's that CoffeeEdge's avatar is awesome. Why? Because Super R-Type is awesoem. Wait a minute...Psyclerk...your avatar rocks too......Damnit....

[PsyClerk]

You're supposed to say that Mr. T in a sombrero trumps all.

[Reality's Fringe]

Well, damnit man, that's implied!

[CTLesq]

and CTL if you are looking for a challenge to American cultural dominance, look to the original post. If America Dominated there wouldnt be the criticism. We influence, more than other countries will admit, but less than you think.

No, it just illustrates they lead crappy lives and are jealous.

[jmcc]

and CTL if you are looking for a challenge to American cultural dominance, look to the original post. If America Dominated there wouldnt be the criticism. We influence, more than other countries will admit, but less than you think.

No, it just illustrates they lead crappy lives and are jealous.

That must be it.

[Reality's Fringe]

Hey, at least the USA is evil. I mean, if we were "all for justice" and whatnot, what would we be? Aquaman, that lameass sonovabitch. Now see, with the Evil tag, at least we can pick someone cool!

[punqsux]

hehe im SURE canadiens wish their country would start wars for no reason ^^ i mean those 20 year old kids need to die someway, right?

its hard to believe any westernized country would envy us.

[ryanbph]

I dunno maybe they would envy us, due to our very low unemployment rate compared to the international numbers, our higher standard of living...the party that is now controlling the trump cards in canada is a seperatist group...

[starman9000]

Pretty easily actually. Read what you said. You implied that the person making the statement doesnt think they are better. I actually dont think I misunderstood you. I think you dont even understand yourself.

What? OK, what was YOUR statement? I don't think you understand yourself.

Good one.... "I know you are but what am I"

[dracula]

eh, like we care what the cannucks think. Until we can exploit them as a cheap labor source, canadians mean nothing to me.

[DenisDFat]

The only outrage here is that the precentage is so low.

[Gothic Walrus]

Late to the game...

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...

[jmcc]

Late to the game...

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...

Me, leaving the country for Austrailia, probably. I don't know if I could stay in a country that would elect Bush twice without going on a multi-state killing spree.

[CTLesq]

Late to the game...

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...

No actually I am.

And the reason we both know I am right is when the US goes to war its not like El Salvador invaded Hondouras.

And who gives a crap about the rest of the worlds approval?

Are they US citizens?

Do they pay taxes?

Please.

Screw the third world.

[XboxMaster]

These teens appear to equate George W. Bush and Americans with Osama bin Laden and Hitler, although it is unknown if the teens polled would describe the latter two as being evil.


I only read to that, which is about half-way down the third paragraph. Nothing really bothered me till that quote. I don't think I need to explain why. You know what, fuck Canada, France, and Mexico. They can all rot in hell. Who cares what they say, they're fucking gay-ass country would get fucked up as fast as Iraq if we wanted to. Bunch of pussies...

[jmcc]

Late to the game...

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...

No actually I am.

And the reason we both know I am right is when the US goes to war its not like El Salvador invaded Hondouras.

And who gives a crap about the rest of the worlds approval?

Are they US citizens?

Do they pay taxes?

Please.

Screw the third world.

Yeah, it's not like a country smaller than us could affect us in any way.

[Gothic Walrus]

Borrowing a page from JSweeney's book...

And the reason we both know I am right is when the US goes to war its not like El Salvador invaded Hondouras.

Care to explain that one? That doesn't seem to make much sense...

And who gives a crap about the rest of the worlds approval?

Are they US citizens?

Do they pay taxes?

Please.

Screw the third world.

Believe it or not, people don't have to be American to be worth something.

Beyond that...we're only a small corner of the world. There are a few hundred other countries out there, and a few billion other people. America isn't the center of the world, just as the Earth isn't the center of the universe. America doesn't mean "better."

And unless I'm wrong, I think that most countries tax their citizens. It's not an America-only concept.

[punqsux]

its sad how hateful people can be for no reason...thats all i have left to say about this thread =o\

[CTLesq]

Care to explain that one? That doesn't seem to make much sense...

Yes, the world only cares when the US invades someone else. No one cares when these crap holes invade one another.

Believe it or not, people don't have to be American to be worth something.

Yes, worth "something", but not worth an American.

Beyond that...we're only a small corner of the world.

We are by far the most important part of the world.

There are a few hundred other countries out there, and a few billion other people.

Who have added what to the world?

America isn't the center of the world, just as the Earth isn't the center of the universe. America doesn't mean "better."


Yes, actually it is. And "American" does mean better.

Or perhaps you would like to look to the personal freedom guaranteed you in the Chinese Constitution?

The chance to become rich in the EU?

Maybe something to eat in Africa (not to mention political stability)?

And unless I'm wrong, I think that most countries tax their citizens. It's not an America-only concept.

And when they pay taxes here I will give two shits about their opinion of me.

[jmcc]

We are by far the most important part of the world.

And yet we can't function without the middle east. Hmm...

[CTLesq]

We are by far the most important part of the world.

And yet we can't function without the middle east. Hmm...

No Europe and Japan can't function without the Middle East, and we have this unique value called self preservation which requires our presence in the middle east.

[jmcc]

We are by far the most important part of the world.

And yet we can't function without the middle east. Hmm...

No Europe and Japan can't function without the Middle East, and we have this unique value called self preservation which requires our presence in the middle east.

"Self-preservation?" I'm not sure how that applies, as we are the most important country in the world, right? Masters of all, beholden to none? We leave and everyone else dies? It must have just been a typo on your part, because otherwise it would negate all your earlier blathering about us being perfect.

[CTLesq]

We are by far the most important part of the world.

And yet we can't function without the middle east. Hmm...

No Europe and Japan can't function without the Middle East, and we have this unique value called self preservation which requires our presence in the middle east.

"Self-preservation?" I'm not sure how that applies, as we are the most important country in the world, right? Masters of all, beholden to none? We leave and everyone else dies? It must have just been a typo on your part, because otherwise it would negate all your earlier blathering about us being perfect.

I didn't say we were immortal. Flying a plane into a building would kill anyone.

And it doesn't negate anything I have said.

[CoffeeEdge]

Dude, starman, what are you talking about? I want to know the point that you made. I think it is similar to mine. You aren't making sense.

[ryanbph]

Actually we don't need the middle east, we currently produce more oil, then we import, but we ship it all to japan, at a price cheaper then what we import it for...i don't know why...One of the reasons why japan attacked was due to us stopping shipment of oil to them...I don't know why they can't bid in the open market, know decades after the war..

[Tromack]

We are by far the most important part of the world.

And yet we can't function without the middle east. Hmm...

No Europe and Japan can't function without the Middle East, and we have this unique value called self preservation which requires our presence in the middle east.

"Self-preservation?" I'm not sure how that applies, as we are the most important country in the world, right? Masters of all, beholden to none? We leave and everyone else dies? It must have just been a typo on your part, because otherwise it would negate all your earlier blathering about us being perfect.

I didn't say we were immortal. Flying a plane into a building would kill anyone.

And it doesn't negate anything I have said.

You do understand that the U.S. consumes more oil than it produces. Hell, Texas consumes more oil than it produces.

[CoffeeEdge]

Me: "Saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them"

You: "Saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion"

Explain the damned difference.

[CoffeeEdge]

Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...

Thank you. The idea scares me, too.

[ryanbph]

You do understand that the U.S. imports more oil than it produces. Hell, Texas imports more oil than it produces.

That is incorrect...all our oil is shipped to japan and other small countries...look in the export list of us goods

[CTLesq]

We are by far the most important part of the world.

And yet we can't function without the middle east. Hmm...

No Europe and Japan can't function without the Middle East, and we have this unique value called self preservation which requires our presence in the middle east.

"Self-preservation?" I'm not sure how that applies, as we are the most important country in the world, right? Masters of all, beholden to none? We leave and everyone else dies? It must have just been a typo on your part, because otherwise it would negate all your earlier blathering about us being perfect.

I didn't say we were immortal. Flying a plane into a building would kill anyone.

And it doesn't negate anything I have said.

You do understand that the U.S. consumes more oil than it produces. Hell, Texas consumes more oil than it produces.

You do understand there are other sources of oil in the world the US could and does buy from other than the middle east?

[Tromack]

You do understand that the U.S. imports more oil than it produces. Hell, Texas imports more oil than it produces.

That is incorrect...all our oil is shipped to japan and other small countries...look in the export list of us goods

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html.

Actually it is correct. The U.S. produces 7.9 million barrels per day. The United States consumed an average of about 20.0 million barrels per day of oil in 2003. The United States averaged total gross oil (crude and products) imports of an estimated 12.2 million barrels per day during 2003.

Do your homework next time.

[CoffeeEdge]

I only read to that, which is about half-way down the third paragraph. Nothing really bothered me till that quote. I don't think I need to explain why. You know what, shaq-fu Canada, France, and Mexico. They can all rot in hell. Who cares what they say, they're shaq-fuing gay-ass country would get shaq-fued up as fast as Iraq if we wanted to. Bunch of pussies...

http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/05-21-04-magazines/dorquemada.jpg

can ya see that?

[ryanbph]

Actually it is correct. The U.S. produces 7.9 million barrels per day. The United States consumed an average of about 20.0 million barrels per day of oil in 2003. The United States averaged total gross oil (crude and products) imports of an estimated 12.2 million barrels per day during 2003.

this is true, but you also have to look at the fact over the past 15 years, the us company's have cut back by 25%, http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html

During 2003, the United States produced around 7.9 million barrels per day (MMBD) of oil, of which 5.7 MMBD was crude oil, and the rest natural gas liquids and other liquids. U.S. total oil production in 2003 was down sharply (around 2.7 MMBD, or 25%) from the 10.6 MMBD averaged in 1985. U.S. crude oil production, which declined following the oil price collapse of late 1985/early 1986, leveled off in the mid-1990s, and began falling again following the sharp decline in oil prices of late 1997/early 1998. With the rebound in world oil prices since March 1999, U.S. crude production fell slightly in 2002 and 2003, and is now at 50-year lows.

[Lootr2Core]

Hey I like America and Americans, I like canada and canadians, no one in my circles "hate America, or consider them Evil,'

I wonder how the polling was conducted, did they call up and just ask" what do you think of america? or did they ask "Would you describe America as the best country in the world or as Evil?

Sure I believe some policies to be arrogant and US Centric but if Canada was the same size and had the same power perhaps they would be the same. I think that the current administation doesn't much care what the rest of the world thinks or does, even though Bush said "either you are with us or against us' I believe his priorties aren't placed on allys nor working together. Maybe he's right maybe he's wrong, but one can (I think) all agree that many other countries think that he's wrong.

I liken Canada and the US to brothers One is big and powerful can suceed in whatever he puts his mind to, is financially secure and if not liked admired/envied by most. Where as Canada is the little brother, trying to show that he isn't his brother and trying really hard to show that he is his own man. In the end though both will be there for each other no matter what.

[CTLesq]

I only read to that, which is about half-way down the third paragraph. Nothing really bothered me till that quote. I don't think I need to explain why. You know what, shaq-fu Canada, France, and Mexico. They can all rot in hell. Who cares what they say, they're shaq-fuing gay-ass country would get shaq-fued up as fast as Iraq if we wanted to. Bunch of pussies...

http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/05-21-04-magazines/dorquemada.jpg

can ya see that?

This is hands down THE most amusing forum I belong to.

CTL

[Lootr2Core]

Late to the game...

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...

Me, leaving the country for Austrailia, probably. I don't know if I could stay in a country that would elect Bush twice without going on a multi-state killing spree.

Some of the most 'hated' presidents have been elected to 2 terms, reagan, Clinton, Nixon, (Bush?)

[Lootr2Core]

These teens appear to equate George W. Bush and Americans with Osama bin Laden and Hitler, although it is unknown if the teens polled would describe the latter two as being evil.


I only read to that, which is about half-way down the third paragraph. Nothing really bothered me till that quote. I don't think I need to explain why. You know what, shaq-fu Canada, France, and Mexico. They can all rot in hell. Who cares what they say, they're shaq-fuing gay-ass country would get shaq-fued up as fast as Iraq if we wanted to. Bunch of pussies...

Boy for not caring what 'they' think you sure do seem to care!

[defender]

Umm...ok so 40% off all Canadian youths think America is evil. Who conducted to poll anyways..MTV? Isn't the French population of Canada about 40%? This would explain everything since the French Canucks are just pawns of mother France.

I really dont care what the YOUTH think anyways...everyone who is under 17 normally believes that everyone older than them are evil and that all politicians and governments are evil. They hate their parents too usually...so what.

[Lootr2Core]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

Evil sounds like a corny word to describe America, so I will instead say that it is an arrogant, wastful, destructive crybaby of a country. At least, some people in it and a lot of it's current leaders are. I know that a lot of people want to change the "destructive" and "wasteful" parts. I won't say that it isn't a fine place to live, but England and Canada and Australia and plenty of other countries are just as good. It's not necessarily the people, but it's the dumbfounding, completly against-policy actions of our president and his administration. This could be a perfectly fine country (as in, one that doesn't rape the planet and start random wars), but it's just the mindset that people like Bush have that's keeping this from being a country that I (or a lot of the rest of the world) can respect politically. Honestly, when there are millions of people that believe in what I quoted, what do you expect? For the world to think that that's really wonderful? Honestly, America's problems in world standing are it's own fault. There is so much that Bush has done wrong, none of the world-wide resentment of the US could possibly be a suprise. I want so bad for it to be a better country, and if people want the world to stop hating us...then quit being arrogant fools. Ug. I don't want to get into this any further. It's complicated. I don't hate America/American's, I just think some things need to be quite a bit different.

sounds good... maybe we can get all three branches of the US gov't to sit and watch the 2 spiderman movies over and over (until they hear Uncle Ben... With great power comes great responsibility.... I don't think this is only true for superheros but superpowers as well.

[Lootr2Core]

The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted. And anyone who doesn't believe we are the richest mofo's in the world has got problems. The only thing I wish is that we would freaking give back a lil to the world; ie: Africa...


And my personal bash: Anyone who doesn't like it in America, there's the door. Another great thing about America is that you can easily leave the country if you're a citizen. So stop whining and get the hell out. Or shut up and sit down. But of course, you're entitled to your amendment rights...


Love it or leave it eh? So if one doesn't like it in America you wouldn't invite them to work and do something about it? Sure one is free to move out, but more importantly in the US, in Canada, in the UK we are free to try to change our country, state/province/territory/ city, neighborhood through a free flowing dialog of ideas and action.

[defender]

I'm curious as to how many AMERICAN teens see the American Government as evil.

Just about every teen I know would say so. Of course this is slightly slanted. Most of the teens I know come from lower income families. Maybe if the Bush tax cuts actually worked for thier families, it would be a different story...

And how do you know they AREN'T working? Who is to say that the cuts havent helped? Personally I think they have. Just because he poor arent suddenly rich doesn't mean the cuts don't help them.

[Lootr2Core]

Umm...ok so 40% off all Canadian youths think America is evil. Who conducted to poll anyways..MTV? Isn't the French population of Canada about 40%? This would explain everything since the French Canucks are just pawns of mother France.

I really dont care what the YOUTH think anyways...everyone who is under 17 normally believes that everyone older than them are evil and that all politicians and governments are evil. They hate their parents too usually...so what.

Good point!what was that saying in the 60's or 70s? "trust no one over 30." (or was it 40)


Evil has become such a slack term now, with talk radio and general political discourse so nasty seem 'evil' is quick out of so many people's mouths.

[XboxMaster]

Umm...ok so 40% off all Canadian youths think America is evil. Who conducted to poll anyways..MTV? Isn't the French population of Canada about 40%? This would explain everything since the French Canucks are just pawns of mother France.

I really dont care what the YOUTH think anyways...everyone who is under 17 normally believes that everyone older than them are evil and that all politicians and governments are evil. They hate their parents too usually...so what.


I'm 13, don't hate my parents, and like Bush.....

[defender]

Umm...ok so 40% off all Canadian youths think America is evil. Who conducted to poll anyways..MTV? Isn't the French population of Canada about 40%? This would explain everything since the French Canucks are just pawns of mother France.

I really dont care what the YOUTH think anyways...everyone who is under 17 normally believes that everyone older than them are evil and that all politicians and governments are evil. They hate their parents too usually...so what.


I'm 13, don't hate my parents, and like Bush.....
Do they call you the Beaver too?

[Lootr2Core]

Umm...ok so 40% off all Canadian youths think America is evil. Who conducted to poll anyways..MTV? Isn't the French population of Canada about 40%? This would explain everything since the French Canucks are just pawns of mother France.

I really dont care what the YOUTH think anyways...everyone who is under 17 normally believes that everyone older than them are evil and that all politicians and governments are evil. They hate their parents too usually...so what.


I'm 13, don't hate my parents, and like Bush.....

hey who doesn't like Bush? Oh you mean GW Bush..never mind.

[epobirs]

Umm...ok so 40% off all Canadian youths think America is evil. Who conducted to poll anyways..MTV? Isn't the French population of Canada about 40%? This would explain everything since the French Canucks are just pawns of mother France.

I really dont care what the YOUTH think anyways...everyone who is under 17 normally believes that everyone older than them are evil and that all politicians and governments are evil. They hate their parents too usually...so what.

I'm all for raising the voting age to 25 or higher. I find that even when the kids agree with me they usually do so for all the wrong reasons.

[starman9000]

Dude, starman, what are you talking about? I want to know the point that you made. I think it is similar to mine. You aren't making sense.
My point is the opposite of yours. You seem to think that calling someone evil is the same as calling someone tall or harry or pretty. I think calling someone evil is saying you are better than that person.

[jmcc]

Dude, starman, what are you talking about? I want to know the point that you made. I think it is similar to mine. You aren't making sense.
My point is the opposite of yours. You seem to think that calling someone evil is the same as calling someone tall or harry or pretty. I think calling someone evil is saying you are better than that person.

In that case, you're wrong and he's right. Hang your head in shame.

[Lootr2Core]

For the record we haven't had a Juno award (similar to oscars/grammy) featuring a song.. SCREW AMERICA like you had a few years back for the Oscars.

[Lootr2Core]

OK the official name was BLAME canada but the just of it was screw them!

[epobirs]

For the record we haven't had a Juno award (similar to oscars/grammy) featuring a song.. SCREW AMERICA like you had a few years back for the Oscars.

Funny, all my Canadian friends love that song and know the lyrics from memory better than I do. It must have something to do with their possession of a sense of humor. I've warned them that if they keep displaying this in public they'll be obligated to leave home and make big money here.

[CoffeeEdge]

Late to the game...


You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.


Actually, you're not.

That said...considering that most of the world doesn't approve of Bush's war, I can't really say that this surprises me. Still, I'm not going to worry unless Bush wins again in November. If he does, I'm afraid of what the next four years will bring...


No actually I am.

And the reason we both know I am right is when the US goes to war its not like El Salvador invaded Hondouras.

And who gives a crap about the rest of the worlds approval?

Are they US citizens?

Do they pay taxes?

Please.

Screw the third world.

Hate to post in this damn topic, but this is interesting.

OK, so if the US does not have to care about the rest of the world's approval, why did Iraq need the US's for the way they ran their society? I not saying one is better than the other, but that's a nice double standard ya got there.

[epobirs]

OK the official name was BLAME canada but the just of it was screw them!

I think the word you're looking for is gist.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gist

For those with the perceptual powers to actually understand the lyrics the song was really about people seekin ga scapegoat when the problem facing them is their own fault. Canada was just a convenient target since any use of Canada as a villlain is automatically funny to its general combined inoffensiveness and ineffectualness.

[mmn]

The problem with this whole thread is its about what Canadians think.

Who really gives a crap what Canadians think? They're good for 2 things - beer and.....hm... wait, make that one thing.

[Lootr2Core]

The problem with this whole thread is its about what Canadians think.

Who really gives a crap what Canadians think? They're good for 2 things - beer and.....hm... wait, make that one thing.

curling, maple syrup, donuts, hockey, Don Cherry, gravy on Fries, Canadian Whisky, supplier of alcohol during prohibition, the loony, where would the world be without us?

[Tromack]

The problem with this whole thread is its about what Canadians think.

Who really gives a crap what Canadians think? They're good for 2 things - beer and.....hm... wait, make that one thing.

Yeah, the only things that come from behind the Maple Curtain are beer, hockey, maple syrup, and mounties. When all 4 are combined, its kind of like Voltron. Except it says hoser a lot.

[jmcc]

Who could dislike a country that brought the world Strange Brew?

[CTLesq]

Who could dislike a country that brought the world Strange Brew?

They also did give us Rush.

[Lootr2Core]

VANCOUVER -- Where would the world be without green garbage bags, zippers and ginger ale?

Canadians have made some wonderful, weird and sometimes dubious contributions to humankind.

Were it not for Canadians, the world would be devoid of paint rollers, snowmobiles and five-pin bowling.

There would be no electric organ, green ink or multiplex movie theatres.

And yes, the recipe for Nanaimo bars comes from the British Columbian town of the same name.

Without Canada, time as we know it would end. Sir Sanford Fleming, a Scottish immigrant to the New World, devised the world's 24-zone standard time system.

"Canadians aren't boring in the least," says Will Ferguson, award-winning author of Canadian History for Dummies and Why I Hate Canadians.

Politically, the country has staked its claim in the "radical middle," he says, but don't let that fool you.

Canadians are diverse, eclectic and eccentric, he says. And pragmatic. Rather than wither in the winter cold, Canadians pulled the toques down over their ears and invented snowmobiles, the electric car heater and the snowblower.

Thank Canada for toboggans.

Canada comes from the native words meaning big village -- much better than Efisga, Tuponia or Colonia. Those names were proposed for the motherland during debates on Confederation.

It is arguably the most ethnically diverse country in the world.

Canada has the highest population of Icelanders outside Iceland and the most Italians outside Italy.

"It's such a culturally diverse and interesting country that has geography and history and people that come from every corner of the globe," says Heritage Minister Sheila Copps. "That's what makes it really unique."

Unique is one way to put it.

Each month in each province there is at least one report of a UFO.

Of all the road accidents that occur in Canada, 0.3 per cent involve a moose. And a Calgary tour company offers a course in igloo building.

Maybe such madness is what makes comedian Rick Mercer feel so lucky to be Canadian.

"I just always feel . . . that we won the Lotto and anyone who was born in Canada or has come to Canada, you won the Lotto," says Rick Mercer, star of CBC's hit comedies Made in Canada and This Hour Has 22 Minutes.

"You know, Canadians don't take themselves that seriously, and quite often we're self-deprecating and that's a character trait I admire greatly in an individual and so I admire it in a nation," says Mercer, who will spend Canada Day working on Made In Canada, albeit from a hammock in his back yard.

Canadians may not take themselves seriously, but they do some seriously strange stuff.

Canada holds the world record for the highest stunt freefall for a 1,100 foot plunge from the CN Tower.

The world's oldest snowboarder hits the slopes in Canada. Wong Yui Hoi, of British Columbia, took up the sport at 75 according to the folks at Guiness.

Canadian Jack McKenzie, 77, is the oldest person to ski to the north pole.

Those months spent with scant daylight hiding from frostbite may go a long way to explain some other Canadian, uh, accomplishments.

Canada boasts the longest gum wrapper chain in the world - 10,387 metres- according to the Guiness book of world records, and the most push-ups in an hour - 3,416.

Canadians hold the record for pogo-stick jumping and the largest hug. They baked the world's largest cherry pie, made the world's largest block of cheese and hold the world kissing title for the most couples smooching simultaneously.

Maybe it's not cabin fever, but brain freeze. A 7-Eleven store in Winnipeg sells more Slurpees per capita than anywhere else in the world.

Canadians eat more Kraft dinner and Albertans more Jello. Details were not available on the favoured flavour.

Canadians have such an imagination they try to take credit for basketball and the telephone, says Ferguson.

"They'll claim the telephone as a Canadian invention. Alexander Graham Bell was born in Scotland, educated in Scotland and most of his research took place in Boston . . . but that doesn't matter because he lived in Canada," Ferguson says.

Yet Canada claims basketball because James Naismith was born in Canada, although he came up with the sport while living in the U.S.

But there's no denying that Toronto's Joe Shuster was co-creator of that greatest of American heroes, Superman.

And who else but the first nation of hockey could have invented Plexiglas, the goalie mask or the referee whistle?

Since beer is practically a sport unto itself in Canada, Vancouver's Steve Pasjack came up with those built-in, tuck-away handles for beer cases in 1957.

And women can blame Canada. Montreal's Canadelle company invented the push-up bra in 1964 and Dennis Colonello invented the abdominizer in 1984.

Our greatest achievement?

"I think Canada's greatest achievement is Canada, just the existence of this country, this wildly diverse, huge, rich, quirky, wonderful country," Ferguson says.

[starman9000]

Dude, starman, what are you talking about? I want to know the point that you made. I think it is similar to mine. You aren't making sense.
My point is the opposite of yours. You seem to think that calling someone evil is the same as calling someone tall or harry or pretty. I think calling someone evil is saying you are better than that person.

In that case, you're wrong and he's right. Hang your head in shame.

Yeah, I need to remember my warped sense of moralism where I actually believe good is better than evil. Fuck me.

[cozydean]

Making fun of Canada is all fun and games until someone has to dodge a draft. Then it's "O Canada" time ...

[CTLesq]

VANCOUVER -- Where would the world be without green garbage bags, zippers and ginger ale?

Canadians have made some wonderful, weird and sometimes dubious contributions to humankind.

Were it not for Canadians, the world would be devoid of paint rollers, snowmobiles and five-pin bowling.

There would be no electric organ, green ink or multiplex movie theatres.

And yes, the recipe for Nanaimo bars comes from the British Columbian town of the same name.

Without Canada, time as we know it would end. Sir Sanford Fleming, a Scottish immigrant to the New World, devised the world's 24-zone standard time system.

"Canadians aren't boring in the least," says Will Ferguson, award-winning author of Canadian History for Dummies and Why I Hate Canadians.

Politically, the country has staked its claim in the "radical middle," he says, but don't let that fool you.

Canadians are diverse, eclectic and eccentric, he says. And pragmatic. Rather than wither in the winter cold, Canadians pulled the toques down over their ears and invented snowmobiles, the electric car heater and the snowblower.

Thank Canada for toboggans.

Canada comes from the native words meaning big village -- much better than Efisga, Tuponia or Colonia. Those names were proposed for the motherland during debates on Confederation.

It is arguably the most ethnically diverse country in the world.

Canada has the highest population of Icelanders outside Iceland and the most Italians outside Italy.

"It's such a culturally diverse and interesting country that has geography and history and people that come from every corner of the globe," says Heritage Minister Sheila Copps. "That's what makes it really unique."

Unique is one way to put it.

Each month in each province there is at least one report of a UFO.

Of all the road accidents that occur in Canada, 0.3 per cent involve a moose. And a Calgary tour company offers a course in igloo building.

Maybe such madness is what makes comedian Rick Mercer feel so lucky to be Canadian.

"I just always feel . . . that we won the Lotto and anyone who was born in Canada or has come to Canada, you won the Lotto," says Rick Mercer, star of CBC's hit comedies Made in Canada and This Hour Has 22 Minutes.

"You know, Canadians don't take themselves that seriously, and quite often we're self-deprecating and that's a character trait I admire greatly in an individual and so I admire it in a nation," says Mercer, who will spend Canada Day working on Made In Canada, albeit from a hammock in his back yard.

Canadians may not take themselves seriously, but they do some seriously strange stuff.

Canada holds the world record for the highest stunt freefall for a 1,100 foot plunge from the CN Tower.

The world's oldest snowboarder hits the slopes in Canada. Wong Yui Hoi, of British Columbia, took up the sport at 75 according to the folks at Guiness.

Canadian Jack McKenzie, 77, is the oldest person to ski to the north pole.

Those months spent with scant daylight hiding from frostbite may go a long way to explain some other Canadian, uh, accomplishments.

Canada boasts the longest gum wrapper chain in the world - 10,387 metres- according to the Guiness book of world records, and the most push-ups in an hour - 3,416.

Canadians hold the record for pogo-stick jumping and the largest hug. They baked the world's largest cherry pie, made the world's largest block of cheese and hold the world kissing title for the most couples smooching simultaneously.

Maybe it's not cabin fever, but brain freeze. A 7-Eleven store in Winnipeg sells more Slurpees per capita than anywhere else in the world.

Canadians eat more Kraft dinner and Albertans more Jello. Details were not available on the favoured flavour.

Canadians have such an imagination they try to take credit for basketball and the telephone, says Ferguson.

"They'll claim the telephone as a Canadian invention. Alexander Graham Bell was born in Scotland, educated in Scotland and most of his research took place in Boston . . . but that doesn't matter because he lived in Canada," Ferguson says.

Yet Canada claims basketball because James Naismith was born in Canada, although he came up with the sport while living in the U.S.

But there's no denying that Toronto's Joe Shuster was co-creator of that greatest of American heroes, Superman.

And who else but the first nation of hockey could have invented Plexiglas, the goalie mask or the referee whistle?

Since beer is practically a sport unto itself in Canada, Vancouver's Steve Pasjack came up with those built-in, tuck-away handles for beer cases in 1957.

And women can blame Canada. Montreal's Canadelle company invented the push-up bra in 1964 and Dennis Colonello invented the abdominizer in 1984.

Our greatest achievement?

"I think Canada's greatest achievement is Canada, just the existence of this country, this wildly diverse, huge, rich, quirky, wonderful country," Ferguson says.

I believe you forgot Peter Jennings, something not to be proud of.

And beer is for peasants.

Try scotch.

CTL

[jmcc]

And beer is for peasants.

Try scotch.

CTL

Single malt scotch?

[CTLesq]

And beer is for peasants.

Try scotch.

CTL

Single malt scotch?

You ask it like there is a choice.

[jmcc]

Dude, starman, what are you talking about? I want to know the point that you made. I think it is similar to mine. You aren't making sense.
My point is the opposite of yours. You seem to think that calling someone evil is the same as calling someone tall or harry or pretty. I think calling someone evil is saying you are better than that person.

In that case, you're wrong and he's right. Hang your head in shame.

Yeah, I need to remember my warped sense of moralism where I actually believe good is better than evil. shaq-fu me.

No one said otherwise, but saying that you can't identify someone as evil without being better than them is incorrect.

[jmcc]

And beer is for peasants.

Try scotch.

CTL

Single malt scotch?

You ask it like there is a choice.

Ha! You're alllllllright. I'm an Aberlour man myself, you?

[CTLesq]

Ha! You're alllllllright. I'm an Aberlour man myself, you?

A fine scotch to be certain. I prefer Glenmorangie.

They have been advertising a Japanese Scotch in the city that I am intrigued by.

CTL

[snotknocker]

I'm crushing your head! I'm crushing your head!

[Lootr2Core]

I'm crushing your head! I'm crushing your head!

I pincha ya face.

[starman9000]

No one said otherwise, but saying that you can't identify someone as evil without being better than them is incorrect.


Never said that, just said that if you call someone evil you probably Believe you are better than them. And yes I realize their are idiots out there who think it is cool to be 'evil' and would think of it as a complement.

[Lootr2Core]

?

[Lootr2Core]

Canada is great in the summer, no 98 degree days with 98 % humidity.. one place where the canadian exchange rates helps..

[Dragonlordfrodo]

If this bozo can say F canada and not get flamed I can say F the Middle East, Right?

[Dragonlordfrodo]

Fuck the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuckin' crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks

-Stormtroopers of Death

[karmapolice]

Im sorry I didnt see this thread sooner...CTL makes another dumbass statement...our country is Evil...think about it...we make us out to be so great...when we kill so many people pointlessly...Counter Terroism my ass...

[EddieBelfour]

true but... molson is about to merge with coors light for with a combined profit of 6 bill.

"i hate those candians with thier beedie little eyes"- kyles mom.

america is fairly evil though. the children are who need to be taught to get ready for a change. my generation was - born late seventies and early eighties - but the 85ers got it twisted.

[Cracka]

woot, i agree, Fyck Canada.

i was playing socom II yesterday and there were 2 Canadians in the room talking shit about America.

they were talkin about how 911 was the funniest thing they had ever seen. and how it was cool when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, and that we were pussies for dropping an A-Bomb on them instead of going in their and fighting like "men".

lets just say after a little bit of name calling and a good bit of TKing on the part of me and my friend, they left lmao..

[CTLesq]

Im sorry I didnt see this thread sooner...CTL makes another dumbass statement...our country is Evil...think about it...we make us out to be so great...when we kill so many people pointlessly...Counter Terroism my ass...

Touching that you keep count of my comments.

As for dumb statements: blame the teenagers of Canada.

God knows Canada has done so much to make the world free.

Come visit me at work so we can discuss counter terrorism:

2 World Financial Center
New York, NY 10023

Here's hint how to find it: Remember any of the buildings with the pyramid or dome covered in the ruble from the WTC?

Thats where I work.

[gmoney1234567890]

For crying out loud, its a crock of shit Ipsos Reed Poll. They mean NOTHING. They also had a poll where they said "if elections were held today, the Liberals would win in a landslide." THAT poll was taken 2 days after Dion won Liberal Leadership, and the poll was almost ALL supporters or tied to Liberal voters. I'm not saying there arent stupid people up here who enjoy bashing both U.S. and Canada (trust me, that makes me mad also), but you cant listen to those stupid irrelevant polls. They are a waster of time.

[The Crotch]

Ack! Begone, foul necromancer! Back to the abyss with you!

Or at least, the tuque thread!

[evanft]

http://wisegwave.ytmnd.com/

[RegalSin2020]

Personally these Canada people are right. I have lived here and people have hated me for no reason and picked on like forever. Then I explore the world and find that people dislike me since I have no money.

Again the thing is America is going execute a leader of another country and the country is going down the shist hole.

This whole thing started with the dirty Zionist scum who just happen to be a group of Jews who wanted a state of there own. They did it the rotten bastards. They and there dipstinking little club screwed the Middle East up. If want to blame somebody blame the zionist and what they did in 1939.

LIberate Palisteine I say we should do and kick the zionist scum out and reclaim everybodies lives and land.

Egypt lost land in this also when they did took over Palisteine. Egypt reclaimed missing each others.

Also Canada is a pretty sweet deal. The only thing that people fail to realize is the laws in Canada and ther epolicy on internet freedoms.

Thinking about America is hell the way things went for us. I go outside all I can see is the damage the Zionists did to our fair country.

Remember the Twenties people and remember them well. That was Amerika at it's greatest moment before the Great Depression, WWI, and WWII along with the Gulf War, Desert Storm, Vietnam and Korea.

Canada is telling the truth about America. We probably have a couple of Seproth clones running around but we don't see them.

On that topic there is alot of Russian people in America.

[The Crotch]

Well, Regalsin's already posted his zionist conspiracy theories, so a little more silliness couldn't hurt...

http://wisegwave.ytmnd.com/

WELCOME TO YOUR DOOM!

[Ender]

Personally these Canada people are right. I have lived here and people have hated me for no reason and picked on like forever. Then I explore the world and find that people dislike me since I have no money.

Again the thing is America is going execute a leader of another country and the country is going down the shist hole.

This whole thing started with the dirty Zionist scum who just happen to be a group of Jews who wanted a state of there own. They did it the rotten bastards. They and there dipstinking little club screwed the Middle East up. If want to blame somebody blame the zionist and what they did in 1939.

LIberate Palisteine I say we should do and kick the zionist scum out and reclaim everybodies lives and land.

Egypt lost land in this also when they did took over Palisteine. Egypt reclaimed missing each others.

Also Canada is a pretty sweet deal. The only thing that people fail to realize is the laws in Canada and ther epolicy on internet freedoms.

Thinking about America is hell the way things went for us. I go outside all I can see is the damage the Zionists did to our fair country.

Remember the Twenties people and remember them well. That was Amerika at it's greatest moment before the Great Depression, WWI, and WWII along with the Gulf War, Desert Storm, Vietnam and Korea.

Canada is telling the truth about America. We probably have a couple of Seproth clones running around but we don't see them.

On that topic there is alot of Russian people in America.

Damn, that's really off-topic. Even for you.

[elprincipe]

Well, Regalsin's already posted his zionist conspiracy theories, so a little more silliness couldn't hurt...

seems to me it's much more stupidity and ignorance than silliness.

[CocheseUGA]

For crying out loud, its a crock of shit Ipsos Reed Poll. They mean NOTHING. They also had a poll where they said "if elections were held today, the Liberals would win in a landslide." THAT poll was taken 2 days after Dion won Liberal Leadership, and the poll was almost ALL supporters or tied to Liberal voters. I'm not saying there arent stupid people up here who enjoy bashing both U.S. and Canada (trust me, that makes me mad also), but you cant listen to those stupid irrelevant polls. They are a waster of time.

The trick with zombies is, you have to disconnect the head somehow. Then they can't come back after you.

[rickonker]

The Bush administration may be evil, but how does Canada have time to criticize the US? Aren't they too busy subsidizing game developers?

[Msut77]

Does Canada even have a fuckhole in which to fuck?