Black 360 is in Game Crazy POS

[M1C13]

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[tsg2005]

thats awesome. if its true, ill be getting it! :applause:

[rodeojones903]

Im disappointed in the price.

[hootie]

:hot:



$80 More for 100GB and a new color? Not a bad deal if you ask me, yet I wonder how the hell somebody would be able to fill that entire amount of space. :-k

[Trakan]

If true, and these also had the new quieter drives, I'd probably buy one.

[PenguinMaster]

If true, I wonder if these have the HDMI ports too.

[ryan838]

If this is indeed true I will be cashing in on my best buy replacement plan. I bought my 360 at zerohour so it expires this November. If this date is correct it will be perfect timing.

[thrustbucket]

I don't think MS would go through the trouble of a whole new SKU for a 360 unless it DID have HDMI. The whole point of releasing a new 360 SKU would be for people more media/storage minded (IPTV, lots of HD video downloads etc)

I don't think $80 more for HDMI and 100 gigs more storage is a bad price at all.

[zewone]

Hot shit.

[Johnny Postman]

Don't forget this new model is supposed to have the smaller, cooler 65nm chip along with the other new features already mentioned.

[Indiana]

If this is indeed true I will be cashing in on my best buy replacement plan. I bought my 360 at zerohour so it expires this November. If this date is correct it will be perfect timing.

Wouldn't they just give you another white premium 360?

[Indiana]

:hot:



$80 More for 100GB and a new color? Not a bad deal if you ask me, yet I wonder how the hell somebody would be able to fill that entire amount of space. :-k

Well you need at least that much space if they are going to offer IP TV and want people to download movies and tv programs.

[mykevermin]

I'm looking forward to seeing if this is true, so propellor_head can shut the fuck up about his prophecies about this releasing for $400.

[RAMSTORIA]

well its probably true, stores are usually pretty good about leaking stuff this way. ill probably hang on to the one i have as i dont see a need for the bigger HD. but eventually ill have to get that one.

they probably will eliminate the core system when this comes out.

[mogamer]

Wouldn't they just give you another white premium 360?
Nope, they even tell you when you purchase the plan that you can use the credit towards a different console.

[super d]

don't you guys know that a black 360 is a debug kit?debugs come with a bigger hard drive.my best friend got one and he can previewmarket place stuff before it comes out. check cheapys debug video for proof.

[jer7583]

$450 seems like a more appropriate price. GameCrazy(and other stores) often put placeholder prices on things before they're officially priced, and they're more often than not much higher than the actual price.

I believe the 360 and ps3 were listed in GameCrazy's system at $600 or $1000 or something before their prices were announced, since a placeholder price is necessary and it's better to put it higher than lower in case some register monkey quotes a customer that price.

[zewone]

don't you guys know that a black 360 is a debug kit?debugs come with a bigger hard drive.my best friend got one and he can previewmarket place stuff before it comes out. check cheapys debug video for proof.
dont super d know that thar is rumorz of a consumer black xbox 360 with 120GB harddrive.

[shipwreck]

Releasing in May for only $20 less than a PS3? Seems like a strange strategy if that date and price are anywhere near correct.

They'd basically be trying to sell a larger hard drive which most people wouldn't use for $80 more than the standard console. Most consumers wouldn't know the difference in hard drive size, but many may notice that the PS3 plays blu-ray for only $20 more.

The price seems rather steep to me.

[Santurio]

Releasing in May for only $20 less than a PS3? Seems like a strange strategy if that date and price are anywhere near correct.

They'd basically be trying to sell a larger hard drive which most people wouldn't use for $80 more than the standard console. Most consumers wouldn't know the difference in hard drive size, but many may notice that the PS3 plays blu-ray for only $20 more.

The price seems rather steep to me.
So true!!

[io]

I got a strange price update today... GM-XBOX 360 (black/ 120GB) $479.99 NEW $439.99 USED. Also the release date is listed as 5/1/2007.

I don't know if GameCrazy is just jumping on the rumor bandwagon or if they have inside information. This also means that you can preorder one since it has a release date and a price. To preorder a system is $50.00.

Call your local Game Crazy for more info. 513 825 1884 is my store ask for mike.

Holy fuck! I'm in. I just bought a 360 at Costco tonight but I was disappointed that it turned out to be a Sept 14th model (and thus no chance of the newer quiet drive). If this is the case I can definitely wait until May 1st. And I had better preorder since I'm sure they will be as hard to find for a while as the Wii is now ;).

I have no problem with that price if it has the much bigger HD, the quiet DVD drive, and the 65 nm processor. I don't even care about HDMI, but it would be nice to be future-proofed (my HDTV does have a DVI input so I suppose I could use that).

I assume there will be new black controllers to go with it? Are those in the system? I guess the old ones will still work with it though (I can burn some of my remaining GR credit on an extra controller).

[oasisboy]

I think I will pre-order the used 360 for $439.99. I can't wait to get it! :lol:

The pricing seems kinda odd, maybe this will come with HDMI cables, an extra wireless controller and a game? That would make sense.

[io]

Just called my Gamecrazy - they have nothing in the system but the regular premium and core systems. They haven't ever heard of a black one and probably think I'm crazy now :roll:.

OP, if you can get a SKU or some way in which they could look it up in the computer that would be helpful. I have no idea how their system works but maybe they just aren't looking in the right place. Or maybe it hasn't propagated to all stores yet?

[panasonic]

Just called my Gamecrazy - they have nothing in the system but the regular premium and core systems. They haven't ever heard of a black one and probably think I'm crazy now :roll:.

OP, if you can get a SKU or some way in which they could look it up in the computer that would be helpful. I have no idea how their system works but maybe they just aren't looking in the right place. Or maybe it hasn't propagated to all stores yet?

they just think you are gamecrazy

[oasisboy]

they just think you are gamecrazy

:lol:

[PenguinMaster]

Releasing in May for only $20 less than a PS3? Seems like a strange strategy if that date and price are anywhere near correct.

They'd basically be trying to sell a larger hard drive which most people wouldn't use for $80 more than the standard console. Most consumers wouldn't know the difference in hard drive size, but many may notice that the PS3 plays blu-ray for only $20 more.

The price seems rather steep to me.

If most consumers don't care about a larger harddrive, why is the 60gb PS3 far more popular than the 20gb one? I know the 60gb PS3 has other features (built-in wi-fi and card reader), but the bigger harddrive is easily the biggest feature.

[CaseyRyback]

If most consumers don't care about a larger harddrive, why is the 60gb PS3 far more popular than the 20gb one? I know the 60gb PS3 has other features (built-in wi-fi and card reader), but the bigger harddrive is easily the biggest feature.

Sony loses less money on the 60 gig so they are much easier to find than the 20 gigs. If the 20 gig was less scarce than it currently is, I don't the 60 gig would be moving as many units as it currently is.

[ctice44]

I checked the computers and found nothing on a Black Xbox 360. We don't look systems/games up by SKU, just the name. Something I found a little odd is there is a "GM- Xbox System (Defective)..........New/ 0.00....Used/ 0.00" in the system now. I have noticed that before and the other systems don't have "Defective" options. Normally, in the past when something goes $0.00 then that's a way of corporate telling us, "don't touch this yet." For example: The Halo 3 legendary is 0.00 so that we can't take preorders on it anymore. You need a minimum of 5 bucks to preorder, but the total dollar can't be higher than the price listed in the computer. So, if they list the price in the computer anywhere between $0.00 - $4.99 we can't take a preorder for it. Also (back on track to the black 360), the fact the list it for $0.00 means they don't want us to take any reservations on it & since they have the word "defective" tagged to it means they might be holding some type of secret that they don't want anybody to know.
Now, I'm just guessing... does this make any sense to any other Game Crazy employees. Maybe you noticed the defective Xboxes listed a long time ago & I'm just crazy......but that is my 2 cents.....

[LinkinPrime]

Releasing in May for only $20 less than a PS3? Seems like a strange strategy if that date and price are anywhere near correct.

They'd basically be trying to sell a larger hard drive which most people wouldn't use for $80 more than the standard console. Most consumers wouldn't know the difference in hard drive size, but many may notice that the PS3 plays blu-ray for only $20 more.

The price seems rather steep to me.

Although I agree with you on the HDD, I'm totally sold on this if its got HDMI.

[ryanbph]

if it has an hdmi output i am sold

i wonder if this has anything to do with tivo having an online download service for movies...they just announced it recently.since most tivos are 80gb and they have some other perks msft currently doesn't offer, granted tivo isn't readily available with hd content. Nelson, one of the planetxbox360 podcast host, said he was a beta for the tivo service and he said that it ended a little while ago and will be available to the public very shortly

I got the best buy service plan, but i didn't realize they will let you use it as credit towards another system unless there was a deffect? I hope I am wrong, but it just doesn't make sense for best buy to offer that service unless so few take care of it.

[Pootie Thang]

If this really is the truth, I hate to say it buy I will probably be selling my 360 and moving on.

[getmyrunon]

I don't care about the harddrive space, color, or processor, but if they release an HDMI out I'm going to be irritated.

[Apossum]

interesting, but useless. who the hell needs 100gb on a game console? especially one that streams movies, music, and recognizes MP3 players :dunce:

and if they announce a surprise-- like if it has an HD-DVD drive and HDMI...that would be pretty lame.

If most consumers don't care about a larger harddrive, why is the 60gb PS3 far more popular than the 20gb one? I know the 60gb PS3 has other features (built-in wi-fi and card reader), but the bigger harddrive is easily the biggest feature.


I'll pay you $1200 if you see a 20gb PS3 on a shelf for more than 5 minutes.

okay, no, but it seems like the 60gb systems are everywhere and 20gb are gone.

[Jimbo Slice]

I'll bite if there is a way to transfer data from my current console to the new one

[Graystone]

I like my 360 in white as it doesn't show dust that well. Only way I'm buying another and selling my old one is if a new comes with everything thats been rumored; 65nm, HDMI, and quite drive.

[PagingDrUgly]

At first glance at the thread title, I thought you were referring to the Criterion FPS, haha...

As someone already mentioned, if this new version contains suprises (ie HD-DVD drive) I would be sorely dissapointed in MS. But 120GB, new color and HDMI (supported by my TV) would be passable at $429.99, with the not-as premium at $349.99. I purchased a launch 360 without any problems until recently (cannot play Viva Pinata for more than 15min without a freeze) and would be tempted to replace.

Also, how far off are the dual format DVD players? (that would be a REAL suprise)

[thrustbucket]

interesting, but useless. who the hell needs 100gb on a game console?

If this new black 360 really does exist, it isn't being marketed as just a game console, it would be marketed as a gateway device into iptv/dvr/video download service center of your living room. The current 360, with only 20 gigs, mostly fails at that.

Most of you, for some reason, seem to think this black one would be replacing the current model. They are aimed at two different markets.

White model = Cheaper, mostly for games, can do other stuff but not as well as the black one.

Black model = Great for Video Marketplace and IPTV. Is also a game console.

[mietha]

I have no idea what you people are even talking about. 120gb is FAR too small in my opinion. With HD 1 hour episodes being around 2 gigs, 120 is nothing. I could use that up in a week, tops. I was hoping for at least 250. Oh well.

[trq]

At first glance at the thread title, I thought you were referring to the Criterion FPS, haha...

As someone already mentioned, if this new version contains suprises (ie HD-DVD drive) I would be sorely dissapointed in MS. But 120GB, new color and HDMI (supported by my TV) would be passable at $429.99, with the not-as premium at $349.99. I purchased a launch 360 without any problems until recently (cannot play Viva Pinata for more than 15min without a freeze) and would be tempted to replace.

Also, how far off are the dual format DVD players? (that would be a REAL suprise)

$429.99 for a bigger hard drive? Okay, especially with a $349.99 price for the premium. $479.99? That's backpeddaling and pretty much giving away a major advantage. I don't buy it.

[JimmieMac]

Why would he put his name and number in the OP, I bet one of his friends did this when he went to the bathroom.

I mean, he posts his name and number but no SKU? Whatsupwiththat?

[io]

Why would he put his name and number in the OP, I bet one of his friends did this when he went to the bathroom.

I mean, he posts his name and number but no SKU? Whatsupwiththat?

Yeah, I hate to doubt him because he's a long-time CAG, but that is a bit strange.

We keep coming so *close* to getting info about this alleged new 360 but nothing conclusive:

1) The Australian retailer rumor (new black 360 to compete with PS3 launch)
2) The guy on the xbox forums who claims his friend got one as a replacement :rofl:
3) This thread
4) Various other internet rumblings...

Confusing all of this is the existence of the black dev kits (and every picture of the supposed new model so far has actually been of the old dev kit). But on the flip side, I think people dismiss this TOO quickly because of the dev kits. Of course it is in MS's best interests to keep this under wraps for as long as possible so fools like me will buy the current model and not wait ;). That is the only reason I'm keeping close tabs on this. Well, in any case, we'll know about the Australian one soon enough if they really plan to push it out there in late March.

[Scorch]

Or maybe it hasn't propagated to all stores yet?

If it's in one computer, it's in all of them.

I checked the computers and found nothing on a Black Xbox 360. We don't look systems/games up by SKU, just the name. Something I found a little odd is there is a "GM- Xbox System (Defective)..........New/ 0.00....Used/ 0.00" in the system now. I have noticed that before and the other systems don't have "Defective" options. Normally, in the past when something goes $0.00 then that's a way of corporate telling us, "don't touch this yet." For example: The Halo 3 legendary is 0.00 so that we can't take preorders on it anymore. You need a minimum of 5 bucks to preorder, but the total dollar can't be higher than the price listed in the computer. So, if they list the price in the computer anywhere between $0.00 - $4.99 we can't take a preorder for it. Also (back on track to the black 360), the fact the list it for $0.00 means they don't want us to take any reservations on it & since they have the word "defective" tagged to it means they might be holding some type of secret that they don't want anybody to know.
Now, I'm just guessing... does this make any sense to any other Game Crazy employees. Maybe you noticed the defective Xboxes listed a long time ago & I'm just crazy......but that is my 2 cents.....

The only thing that I can think of is that maybe they're finally getting their act together and making it easier to ID defectives instead of it refunding to the item # in stock.. I hate seeing one in the system, telling the customer we have it, only to discover that it's a defective one.

I'll check on the 360 thing tomorrow, maybe it'll come down in the daily download.. maybe not.. who knows.

[JimmieMac]

His account got hijacked while he dropped the Cosby kids off at the pool and his friend typed some shit he heard him talkin' about earlier. End of Story. This shit aint real. If it is real there's no way it happened to him, he read about it on a different site and is trying to pass the news off as his own. You think some douche in Cinici is getting top secret price updates about shit that aint even hit the fan yet? C'mon people. C'mon.

[thrustbucket]

I have no idea what you people are even talking about. 120gb is FAR too small in my opinion. With HD 1 hour episodes being around 2 gigs, 120 is nothing. I could use that up in a week, tops. I was hoping for at least 250. Oh well.


How many 2.5 inch 250 gig hard drives do you know of? And if they exist, how cheap are they?

[io]

I'll check on the 360 thing tomorrow, maybe it'll come down in the daily download.. maybe not.. who knows.

Thanks, man - I figured I'd go to you for verification at some point. But I knew you'd find this thread on your own sooner or later ;).

If it comes as a "price update" as the OP said, is that different from being in the computer for order? Like is the price update just a printed sheet? (I'm just basing this on seeing printed sheets at GC before where they showed me price adjustments - but presumably those were just printed from the computer).

And Jimmie - I agree, highly unlikely. But these things DO break somewhere first, so it had as much chance here as any other random gaming site.

[Scorch]

If it comes as a "price update" as the OP said, is that different from being in the computer for order? Like is the price update just a printed sheet? (I'm just basing this on seeing printed sheets at GC before where they showed me price adjustments - but presumably those were just printed from the computer).

Yeah. Whenever the computers are prepped in the morning to open, it automatically downloads news and price changes. Sometimes they'll put out a hotmail release regarding the system's entry into the POS (like with the PS3, they were like 'okay, guys, the PS3 is in the system, but the price is $0.00 so you won't take preorders on it'). Sometimes it'll show up on the pricing sheet. I can't imagine something like this sneak in. I mean, yeah, GC's computers break news sometimes (GC had Oblivion for PS3 and PSP in the system months before they were announced and there's a entry for 'Riddick HD' that i'm waiting to pan out), but this is huge.. I doubt it's in there.

[VipFREAK]

Hmm... Might entertain this. I like the idea of the IPTV the most. I could "inadvertantly put in a blank disk, have it "accidentally" hit the eye on the driver, take it back to Microcenter, cash in my $400 warrenty money and get the new one. Would be so kick ass to have it in black too. Stupid controllers won't be though. :rolleyes:

[JimmieMac]

But these things DO break somewhere first, so it had as much chance here as any other random gaming site.

But it's on a site other than this, by a guy that isn't him.

Look likeScorch mentioned, if it's in one system it's in all of them and do you think they would update a game stores inventory lists before it leaked out else where?

Alright, here's the deal, we update GameStops price lists, then we send pics out to Artists to get box work done, then to printers to get ads then we hand it over to marketing. Oh and make sure that kid in Cinci gets the update first, we know how happy it will make him to impress his internet friends.

[io]

What other site it this on?

Like I said, it is highly unlikely, but I won't rule anything out just yet. If Scorch looks into it and finds nothing then I'll be sure it is a false alarm. In that case, OP ban? :rofl:

[JimmieMac]

But if it's on a site other than this, it's from a guy that isn't him.

Sorry, I suck at type.

[Scorch]

It's not that I doubt M1C13.. on the contrary, I believe him.. but it's just weird that a system would be in the system before it broke anywhere else.. games do, sure, but seriously, we're talking about the company that didn't add the Wii system UPCs, date, name and price into the computer system until two days before it launched.

OP, how'd you find it? X3 > "black" or hitting X3> and typing GM?

[Temporaryscars]

I call bullshit. Would Microsoft really want to alienate everyone who already has one?

[shipwreck]

It's not that I doubt M1C13.. on the contrary, I believe him.. but it's just weird that a system would be in the system before it broke anywhere else.. games do, sure, but seriously, we're talking about the company that didn't add the Wii system UPCs, date, name and price into the computer system until two days before it launched.

OP, how'd you find it? X3 > "black" or hitting X3> and typing GM?

Yep, if M1C13 says he saw it in the POS at his store, I definitely believe him. He's trustworthy and has never led us astray before. Plus if he's lying, I could always go punch him in the throat for Jimmie. :lol:

[Tha Xecutioner]

If true, would this signal the release of black controllers/other accessories as well?

[Duo_Maxwell]

If this new black 360 really does exist, it isn't being marketed as just a game console, it would be marketed as a gateway device into iptv/dvr/video download service center of your living room. The current 360, with only 20 gigs, mostly fails at that.

Most of you, for some reason, seem to think this black one would be replacing the current model. They are aimed at two different markets.

White model = Cheaper, mostly for games, can do other stuff but not as well as the black one.

Black model = Great for Video Marketplace and IPTV. Is also a game console.

I agree with thrustbucket here, I don't see it replaceing the current Premium system. However, it may finally mean the death of the core system. Essentially I don't really see a reason to rebuy one either. HDMI is not worth an extra $80 to me.

Still, I am interested in a larger harddrive. I'll be happy as long as they release the bigger HDD separately and with a reasonable price tag ($60 or less, which considering they released a 20gb one at $100 I doubt that'll happen).

[ZerotypeX]

Part of me hopes this new 360 will come out and the other part of me hopes it is just a rumor. It would be nice for a newer xbox 360, but I bought mine recently and won't have the money to get the new one when it comes out( i like new things :-P). oh well...

[wildnuts02]

i hate how stupid people say stuf like "OMG why would teh MS alienate everyone who got one!!??"

products are improved all the time, on a regular basis. just deal with it. every time you buy someting, you risk defects and you know a new and improved model will come out sooner than later - ESPECIALLY in the tech world.

i guess Apple has pissed off a lot of people releasing new and improved iPods once or twice a year - that's really hurt them and their customers right?

ugh

[guyver2077]

fucking nice...

[Temporaryscars]

i hate how stupid people say stuf like "OMG why would teh MS alienate everyone who got one!!??"

products are improved all the time, on a regular basis. just deal with it. every time you buy someting, you risk defects and you know a new and improved model will come out sooner than later - ESPECIALLY in the tech world.

i guess Apple has pissed off a lot of people releasing new and improved iPods once or twice a year - that's really hurt them and their customers right?

ugh

So what, you should never buy anything because something better will ALWAYS come out? Why should we have to pay Microsoft twice because they couldn't get it right the first time?

[mykevermin]

So what, you should never buy anything because something better will ALWAYS come out? Why should we have to pay Microsoft twice because they couldn't get it right the first time?

I think he was saying "don't bitch because it happens all the time," not "don't buy anything."

As for MS "not getting it right," the 20GB premium is just as good as this one. HDMI isn't different from component in terms of output at this point, 120GB drive only matters for movie viewers and IPTV users. It isn't going to hinder your gaming to stick with the one you have.

I just think it's adorable that they're closely approaching the PS3 price.

[Temporaryscars]

I think he was saying "don't bitch because it happens all the time," not "don't buy anything."

As for MS "not getting it right," the 20GB premium is just as good as this one. HDMI isn't different from component in terms of output at this point, 120GB drive only matters for movie viewers and IPTV users. It isn't going to hinder your gaming to stick with the one you have.

I just think it's adorable that they're closely approaching the PS3 price.

And i'll be completely cool with it if they release a 120GB drive (and a way to transfer saves) at a reasonable price, but to downgrade our premium systems only a year after launch is...well, it seems like it should be illegal. Like a bait and switch.

[M1C13]

Yep, if M1C13 says he saw it in the POS at his store, I definitely believe him. He's trustworthy and has never led us astray before. Plus if he's lying, I could always go punch him in the throat for Jimmie. :lol:
ok no throat punching I am already sick. If other store employees would like to check it out look up X360 then GM then scroll down. Also it the price update came on 2/15/07 and you can do a reprint in the memo section i believe or in the price change section that would make more sense.

[mykevermin]

Closer to 18 months, really, which is much nicer than Apple tends to be with their products (though I'm not sure it's a valid comparison).

[M1C13]

I am a former employee at GC, and can cofirm that a SKU with that information can be in the system, ONLY because they also input a "X-Box 360 Premium w/ HD-DVD" into the system while I still worked there (for only $499.99).

If this IS in the system, it doesnt necessarily mean it is coming out. And it likely won't ring up under F2 (retail sell), but try searching it as a pre-order item and it could show up.
sorry didn't see your poost before it comes up under both sale (F2) for sale and wishlist (F9). Also the defective xbox360 is under trade-in (F1) only as far as I know so that might be why you don't see the black 360 on there.

oh and that is my store number if you wanted you could look it up in the phone book or some of you could check your receipts (shipwreck and some other guy said he is on here all the time but I forgot his name) I work at gamecrazy winton road cincinnati OH I am saying all of this for credibilty because I didn't believe it myself but I knew that all of you would want to know.

[wildnuts02]

Closer to 18 months, really, which is much nicer than Apple tends to be with their products (though I'm not sure it's a valid comparison).

iPods have historically cost about $399. New releases come once to twice a year, always: increasing battery life, the quality of the screen, reduction in weight and size and increased capacity for the buck. Immediately upon release, the previous versions are heavily discounted and sold in their "sale" section of Apple.com. in some generation switches, Apple has either added or removed a port (added video port, removed the remote port).

and guess what? non-whiny people are still fully enjoying the iPods they got a few generations back. tech nerds suck it up and sell their iPod on Ebay and get the latest one.

i think the comparison may not be valid insomuch as what MS is proposing to do is vastly less substantial to the average customer (who is a gamer) than what Apple does regularly, with great success.

[Chacrana]

I'm definitely cashing in my Best Buy warranty for this. Can't say I'll be the least bit sad to see the current one go.

[getmyrunon]

Yes, revisions to products happen all the time. But - every product has a base function, aka the reason you purchase it. I bought my 360 to play games. I do not care about HD Space, Streaming Capabilities, Color, Processor, Noise etc.

When a revision comes out that addresses any of the above, I don't care - that's the price you pay for being an early adopter of technology. But when a revision comes out that impacts gameplay (in this case visuals) that makes me upset.

HDMI 1080p = digital connectivity option of the future
Component 1080p = a joke

In the case of previous console revisions, the first generation console could do (either already or with addons), everything the new console could. Unless they release an HDMI adapter, this will not be the case, and that's lame.

[mykevermin]

YHDMI 1080p = digital connectivity option of the future
Component 1080p = a joke

Give me a solid reason why this is the case. I thought I was tech savvy, but I've always thought 1080p=1080p, and that the only difference is whether or not the digital lockout for hi-def viewing of movies will be activated (and in the unlikely event that happens, possibly still moot).

Why would I want HDMI when I have component already doing the same thing? I'm not being a smartass (for once), I am looking for legit understanding.

wildnuts2, I see your point. MS is rumored to be making a profit off of the sales of 360 hardware currently, so it will be interesting to see how they proceed. They're in a tenuous spot: their price looks glamorous compared to the PS3 right now, and if they release a console over $400, they risk that position (the closer they get to the PS3 price, the more the choice to go with a DVD drive sticks out like a sore thumb). They could easily drop the Core and Premium $50, or possibly $100, without incurring major losses. Can they do that with the new rumored system? I don't know the answer to that, but it sure as hell would be in their best interest to follow the pricing method you described Apple as using.

[secretvampire]

Give me a solid reason why this is the case. I thought I was tech savvy, but I've always thought 1080p=1080p, and that the only difference is whether or not the digital lockout for hi-def viewing of movies will be activated (and in the unlikely event that happens, possibly still moot).

Why would I want HDMI when I have component already doing the same thing? I'm not being a smartass (for once), I am looking for legit understanding.
There is no good reason, it's a bullshit statement. HDMI just lets companies ram more DRM down our throats. Component is perfectly capable.

[shipwreck]

There is no good reason, it's a bullshit statement. HDMI just lets companies ram more DRM down our throats. Component is perfectly capable.

Unless your TV doesn't support 1080P through component. But Hell, I'm to the point now where I expect half of my shit not to work to it's fullest extent just because there are so many damn resolutions and connection methods.

[mykevermin]

There is no good reason, it's a bullshit statement. HDMI just lets companies ram more DRM down our throats. Component is perfectly capable.

I figured as much, but also, for once, opened myself up to the possibility that I may not be fully informed on something. :lol:

My tv goes to 1080i anyway, making it more or less moot, individually speaking.

[gunm]

sorry didn't see your poost before it comes up under both sale (F2) for sale and wishlist (F9). Also the defective xbox360 is under trade-in (F1) only as far as I know so that might be why you don't see the black 360 on there.

oh and that is my store number if you wanted you could look it up in the phone book or some of you could check your receipts (shipwreck and some other guy said he is on here all the time but I forgot his name) I work at gamecrazy winton road cincinnati OH I am saying all of this for credibilty because I didn't believe it myself but I knew that all of you would want to know.

Hopefully Scorch or someone can blow verify this thing so we can all go home.

[Apossum]

can't video marketplace shows be stored on an external HDD?

[ChaoticClimax]

I don't give a damn about these HDMI ports, I just want to know if they are going to set up a way to transfer saves and downloaded games from one harddrive to another.

[MusicNoteLess]

Kotaku'ed (http://kotaku.com/gaming/360/game-crazy-pos-lists-black-360-237261.php)

damnit, I was hoping for a price drop instead of a bigger hard drive...I guess I'm gonna have to pre-order one.

[Cloudy Wolf]

woohoo, i guess he got my tip.

anyways, called 2 GC in the sw houston area, and both confirmed that it was in the system, but obviously they had no idea what it was.

[LinkinPrime]

Its spreading:

According to the Cheap Ass Gamer forums, the black Xbox360 (http://gamersreports.com/news/5058/black-xbox360-w-120-gb-hdd-sku-shows-up-at-gamecrazy/#) we told you about a week ago (http://www.gamersreports.com/news/4966/120gig-black-xbox360-with-hdmi-official/) now apparently has a SKU in the GameCrazy computer system. Several forum members have made calls to confirm this with GC, and it seems to be true. Stick with GR folks, you heard it here first.


http://gamersreports.com/news/5058/black-xbox360-w-120-gb-hdd-sku-shows-up-at-gamecrazy/

[Temporaryscars]

Anyone who owns a 360, then buys this one can consider themselves scammed.

[Tha Xecutioner]

say hello to the front page of CAG

[furyk]

An $80 jump for a bigger hard drive on a system that should be seeing a price drop right now? Even if this was $450 it'd be too much. This is a rather shitty move by MS unless they bundle a game or a second controller with this.

[thrustbucket]

can't video marketplace shows be stored on an external HDD?

Nope. Most studios allowing their content to be sold on marketplace wouldn't sell their stuff on live if you could.

[thrustbucket]

An $80 jump for a bigger hard drive on a system that should be seeing a price drop right now? Even if this was $450 it'd be too much. This is a rather shitty move by MS unless they bundle a game or a second controller with this.

Why should it be seeing a price drop right now? Is it not selling well enough?

If this rumor is true, the $80 would get you 100 gigs more of space and an HDMI port AT LEAST. It may also include a HD DVD drive, who knows. And don't forget that the premium 360 most likely WOULD drop in price to further the gap with this black one. It will likely be $100 or more difference between the two.

[getmyrunon]

Give me a solid reason why this is the case. I thought I was tech savvy, but I've always thought 1080p=1080p

1080p does = 1080p. But you have to have a tv CAPABLE of displaying 1080p via Component (which is why people resort to the VGA cable, which often involves another DVI conversion step). If you do, great. If you don't (most of us), not so great. So you may have your box set to output 1080p, but you're not getting it.

VERY FEW sets/receivers do 1080p over component (even newer ones), whereas 1080p via HDMI is standard in new sets (people think the reasoning behind HDMI selection is BS but regardless, it is here to stay). Also, Digital connections > Analog ones (for both video and sound reasons).

This isn't such a big deal to most people right now, but we're reaching very affordable 1080p prices right now and to have a crippled system is just dumb. Microsoft probably knows this, I wish I had waited before picking a 360 up.

[ctice44]

Nothing against m1c13 (not to saying I don't believe him- which I actually do) but I checked the computers yet again today and found nothing beyond the defective 360, premium, and core. I searched by typing "X3" then "GM" (which is how you find systems in our computer), then "black", then "120", then "120gb"....and still found nothing yet. If somebody does happedn to preorder one scan the reciept for proof. I'm asuming m1c13 got his information from a printout since that's the only way we get preorder dates. Preorder dates are not in the computer because dates change so often.
Until we see some proof of this I suggest we strongly consider this a RUMOR and not consider it truth.

[Cloudy Wolf]

for the record 1080p through component (which is still an analog signal (because you obviously didn't know that and needed to be put in your place) as compared to hdmi which is a digital signal) is a joke. the fact that you do not know that conveys that you aren't well versed in hdtv subject manner.

and quit posting off topic.

i personally can't wait to get my black 360

[Indiana]

don't you guys know that a black 360 is a debug kit?debugs come with a bigger hard drive.my best friend got one and he can previewmarket place stuff before it comes out. check cheapys debug video for proof.

If this were the debug kit gamecrazy or gamestop would not be able to sell it.

[io]

Scorch?

I like how the one external link said several forum members here confirmed it with their GC's. I was able to NOT confirm it. I'm not sure who else here has actually found this at their GC? The guy on Kokatu claims he called several stores and found it to be true though.

If this is true I just want to be sure I put a preorder down so I can get one as soon as the release! Knowing how GC operates I'm sure if I wait a few days they will have closed down preorders for it (having taken too many).

[thrustbucket]

for the record 1080p through component (which is still an analog signal (because you obviously didn't know that and needed to be put in your place) as compared to hdmi which is a digital signal) is a joke. the fact that you do not know that conveys that you aren't well versed in hdtv subject manner.

and quit posting off topic.

i personally can't wait to get my black 360

Everyone knows HDMI is digital and component is analog. And there is absolutely no proof that just because HDMI is digital that it produces a better picture. That's why many people, like myself, could really give two shits about HDMI.

The only reason HDMI is necessary is for 1080p. That is because the rules REQUIRE 1080p only be passed through VGA or a digital signal. Not because component can't handle it, and not because it looks bad through component (it doesn't). The rules require it because a digital signal is needed to enforce DRM.

So again, HDMI is ONLY advantageous for people with 1080p TV's that DON'T have VGA inputs.

[orntar]

hmmm...

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/02/16/back-in-black-limited-edition-hd-dvd-drive/

[CrimsonPaw]

Well, this wouldn't surprise me to see MS pushing this info into the systems. With the GDC just a few weeks away, I could see MS pulling the veil off of thier updated product. They're hoping to go IPTV by end of year and in order to hook people in they'll need the hardware to support it (not to mention the infrastructure, but they can't do anything about that). Personally I don't have HDMI on my TV at this point, but then again I don't have 1080p either.

I believe the man, who knows if it was intentionally pushed out or not, but I have a feeling that we'll be seeing an announcement within the month on the new 360 -- along with an announced price-drop for the current systems.

[GrimNecroWizard]

$450 seems like a more appropriate price.

Hah, and they charge you $100 for a 20gig hard drive? I don't think they'd charge only $50 for way more space, new color, and possibly HDMI port. Hopefully you're right then. Although that would suck for the people who bought it earlier. I hope this doesn't become a trend to realising new and improved consoles. i.e. gameboys.

[getmyrunon]

Announcing a new console too far in advance will just nuke sales of your existing one. Sony announced the PS2 slim in late September and it hit US shelves first of November. I can't imagine we'll hear about it more than a month before it comes out, and I can't imagine they would release it during the doldrums of the summer, so my guess is this thing is under wraps until the Holiday season.

I'm sorely tempted to just sell my 360/controller/warranty now (could probably get more than I paid for it), hang onto the games, and rebuy sometime in the Winter.

[Scorch]

OK. I went and checked in multiple ways and I found nothing of the sort in the system at all. I searched under X360 and I searched to where it'd list every console in the system and it didn't show up on either search. So now that's two GC employees that said they can't find it in the system.

[Duo_Maxwell]

ever heard of bandwith? look it up tool.


I don't claim to know all that much about HD, but from what I do know it seems your bandwidth claim in comparing component and HDMI signals is irrelevant for time being at least. The most you'll probably ever need for Full HD (1080p) resolution is 300mhz and that's being very generous. 720p the most you'll ever need is probably closer to 120mhz and agian that's being quite generous as most HD sources don't utilize anything higher than 75mhz. Look at any "high quality" component video cable and anything worth what you'll pay will easily surpass those numbers in video bandwidth. Monster cables (expensive I know but just as an example) are rated someplace around 550mhz and some claim up to 1ghz for thier pricier line. The source however is the key anyways, and I obviously don't know but my guess is the 360 doesn't output a signal higher than 300mhz for video bandwidth. The extra bandwidth of HDMI is not even fully utilized ATM, even with the inclusion of audio. So for now and probably a little while to come the only real advantage of digtial is a more stable signal with no real chance of degradation via poor cables or the like and simple practicality for both company and consumer. Like having one conncetion for audio & video, built-in copy protection schemes, etc. etc.

This does raise a question IMO for MS, if HDMI is added will it be HDMI 1.3 to match PS3 (even if nothing really uses it now) or something else?

[LinkinPrime]

That's so funny, that everyone is excited about the color. You know if the X360 was black to begin with and was about to come out with a white one, everyone would be creaming their pants anyway.

[Scorch]

That's so funny, that everyone is excited about the color. You know if the X360 was black to begin with and was about to come out with a white one, everyone would be creaming their pants anyway.

do you not read the news you copy and paste or what? it's a black 360, a bigger HD, and all sorts of equipment upgrades/updates/etc.

[Cloudy Wolf]

I don't claim to know all that much about HD, but from what I do know it seems your bandwidth claim in comparing component and HDMI signals is irrelevant for time being at least. The most you'll probably ever need for Full HD (1080p) resolution is 300mhz and that's being very generous. 720p the most you'll ever need is probably closer to 120mhz and agian that's being quite generous as most HD sources don't utilize anything higher than 75mhz. Look at any "high quality" component video cable and anything worth what you'll pay will easily surpass those numbers in video bandwidth. Monster cables (expensive I know but just as an example) are rated someplace around 550mhz and some claim up to 1ghz for thier pricier line. The source however is the key anyways, and I obviously don't know but my guess is the 360 doesn't output a signal higher than 300mhz for video bandwidth. The extra bandwidth of HDMI is not even fully utilized ATM, even with the inclusion of audio. So for now and probably a little while to come the only real advantage of digtial is a more stable signal with no real chance of degradation via poor cables or the like and simple practicality for both company and consumer. Like having one conncetion for audio & video, built-in copy protection schemes, etc. etc.

This does raise a question IMO for MS, if HDMI is added will it be HDMI 1.3 to match PS3 (even if nothing really uses it now) or something else?

irrelevant ATM? let me ask you a serious question i ask everyone who complains about the uselessness of hdmi 1.3 or 1080p tvs - how often do you or the average person buy a new hdtv? if I'm buying now, it's gonna be top of the line regardless if anything utilizes those functions as of yet. i have extra cash, but i'm not gonna throw it away

[io]

So, has anyone actually been able to preorder this puppy?

One of the following statements that we've heard in this thread is not true:

1) There is this new Xbox in the POS system
2) If it is in the computer at one GC, it is at all of them

I went into my GC today and asked about it again. They had heard of the rumored system and the manager was there. Both him and the other guy looked through the computer and found nothing - I even showed them a printout of the OP's exact wording of the item in the computer. Nada...

HOWEVER, the manager was sure that this was coming and said one of the GC corporate people told him that it would be out soon. Now, unless we're getting circular rumors here (ie, the GC corporate person got it from the same Internet sites we have seen before) then perhaps this actually is a *little* more proof of this actually happening.

As soon as anyone can actually preorder it at GC I'll want to know, though, as I don't want to miss out on these. I will be returning the Costco bundle I bought yesterday in the mean time. Of course, this is the exact reason why MS will keep this under wraps for as long as possible ;).

[M1C13]

So, has anyone actually been able to preorder this puppy?

One of the following statements that we've heard in this thread is not true:

1) There is this new Xbox in the POS system
2) If it is in the computer at one GC, it is at all of them

I went into my GC today and asked about it again. They had heard of the rumored system and the manager was there. Both him and the other guy looked through the computer and found nothing - I even showed them a printout of the OP's exact wording of the item in the computer. Nada...

HOWEVER, the manager was sure that this was coming and said one of the GC corporate people told him that it would be out soon. Now, unless we're getting circular rumors here (ie, the GC corporate person got it from the same Internet sites we have seen before) then perhaps this actually is a *little* more proof of this actually happening.

As soon as anyone can actually preorder it at GC I'll want to know, though, as I don't want to miss out on these. I will be returning the Costco bundle I bought yesterday in the mean time. Of course, this is the exact reason why MS will keep this under wraps for as long as possible ;).
ok I'm back from work with some news.....

well the black 360 was takeno out of the computer, but I still have proof it was in the computer to begin with. If you go to the managers menu and you will find a section that says reprint price updates. On the second page of the price update sheet is the black 360 for $479.99. I still have the price change sheet if you would like me to post it and scorch should be able to verify that it is a legit price change, you will know it is thursday because the whole first page is DVDs.

[io]

ok I'm back from work with some news.....

well the black 360 was takeno out of the computer, but I still have proof it was in the computer to begin with. If you go to the managers menu and you will find a section that says reprint price updates. On the second page of the price update sheet is the black 360 for $479.99. I still have the price change sheet if you would like me to post it and scorch should be able to verify that it is a legit price change, you will know it is thursday because the whole first page is DVDs.

No proof needed M1C13, I believe you - but it appears to be a glitch and/or someone jumping the gun a bit. I think this is going to happen, but it was certainly premature for GC to have it in there (and especially to take preorders for it at this time, though it doesn't look like that's happened anywhere). So we'll just have to wait it out a bit more. But as soon as it is available to preorder, I hope you and/or Scorch let us know ASAP!

Now if by late March/early April we hear nothing of this new 360 appearing in Australia then maybe we can dismiss this all once again. It could simply be that all the hype (*including* someone at GC adding it to the system) is all a result of this rumor combined with the dev kit pictures. I certainly hope not, but that is a distinct possibility.

[LinkinPrime]

do you not read the news you copy and paste or what? it's a black 360, a bigger HD, and all sorts of equipment upgrades/updates/etc.

Dude, I'm on top of it. I could care less about the bigger HDD I want it soley for the HDMI. Im just saying a lot of people are excited about the color as well.

[mr ryles]

I would like a black 360, and I would like a bigger HDD, but not for that price. I may sell off my current 360 to buy a black one though when the time comes.

[Duo_Maxwell]

irrelevant ATM? let me ask you a serious question i ask everyone who complains about the uselessness of hdmi 1.3 or 1080p tvs - how often do you or the average person buy a new hdtv? if I'm buying now, it's gonna be top of the line regardless if anything utilizes those functions as of yet. i have extra cash, but i'm not gonna throw it away

If you're buying one right now you won't get HDMI 1.3, no TV on the market even uses it to my knowledge, that's the point I was getting at. If we were discussing some technology due out in 2010 or whatever I can see your point, but this a matter of months. So in the here and now and near future it is irrelevant. From what I know, no video source (but especially the 360), due out in the year 2007, will come close to maxing out the video bandwidth for available component let alone HDMI, therefore in the near future (the time period we're debating over) that example is for all intensive purposes irrelevant.

Moreover, you should note many people purchasing HDTV equipment don't always just buy top of the line sets, this is easily evidenced by the rapid expansion of companies like Westinghouse and Vizio and more into the budget realm and the price clubs like Sam's and Costco making huge leaps in the TV retail market over the past 2 years. There's really two sects in consumer electronics that consistantly purcahses top of the line tech, the rich/trendy and the early adopters. Early apopters almost always buy top of the line, but the HD market is far passed the stage for just early adopters now, HD is becoming more practical and less trendy, and the price points of even the major brands are no longer just for the rich.

However, I say enough of this argument. We are off course a bit and only getting further. We all should be waiting to see if this rumor even pans out before we go into debates over logistics, specs, and semantics.

[io]

Read through the responses to the kotaku posting of this info.

Some interesting ones:


I can further confirm this. I work for Hollywood Entertainment/Movie Gallery Inc (the company that owns Gamecrazy, Hollywood Video, and Movie Gallery). But be warned: our POS sometimes is a P.O.S and wrong.


OK, OK, so I think we can believe the OP. Unfortunately it doesn't necessarily mean anything.


The new SKU is exclusive to the 120gb drive offer as far as I know. It simply replaces the standard permiums once they go out of stock and isn't actually ready for release yet.

I also couldn't get any of my friends at microsoft to confirm the new unit was actually black. There is a black wireless pad though so I assume it goes with a black console or maybe it's just the replacement for the white pad who knows.


Interesting...

There's also the giveaway black HD DVD drive someone posted about (previously in this thread) that MS is allowing them to sell (indicating that it will be a retail thing soon enough). The evidence keeps piling up. However, it points to there not being a built-in HD DVD drive. But I would say that is as expected, and fine with me I suppose (though of course I wouldn't mind one). But I have a feeling the inclusion of that would really push early adopters over the edge, so it makes sense to keep that as a peripheral and just change the color (meaningless), upgrade the HD (nice, and the most likely upgrade), add HDMI (not sold on this one), and switch to the 65nm processor (again, would be nice, but that could still be further off). This might just end up being the same old 360 in black with a 120GB drive slapped onto it instead of the 20GB. At a minimum, though, it should have the BenQ DVD drive, so that's worth waiting for as well (currently I can't find a Nov 2006 or later machine anywhere anyway).

[Scorch]

I'll reprint a princing update for Thursday tomorrow afternoon, but as I said before, I have no reason to doubt M1C13. I just want to see it for myself.

[subsidon]

I got the Overstock warranty 3 months ago (though I never received anything).
Anyone know their warranty return policy?

[doubledown]

Maybe it's a BLACK 360 with 1-20 gig drive ;)

[stevez0r]

I would like a black 360, and I would like a bigger HDD, but not for that price. I may sell off my current 360 to buy a black one though when the time comes.Thinking of doing the same thing.

[Zen Davis]

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200702/N07.0216.1234.57890.htm

[mvick288]

sweet..not that big a deal to me..im already on my 10th 360. whenever it freezes, i return it to target since there is 90 day warranty

[R1V3R5]

That guy is reporting what a CAG said here! And no damn credit was even given to the OP!

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128115

[Maynard]

why did you make a new thread. does it make your cock seem larger?

[Scorch]

why did you make a new thread. does it make your cock seem larger?

..what the fuck?

[Cormier6083]

why did you make a new thread. does it make your cock seem larger?
:rofl:

[Cloudy Wolf]

gameinformer blows...that site's a god damn joke...doesn't even post a fucking source article. i can make up shit also and not post any sources.

"beer rains from sky" "prostitute prices hit rock bottom"

[Vinny]

sweet..not that big a deal to me..im already on my 10th 360. whenever it freezes, i return it to target since there is 90 day warranty

If you've had 9 frozen 360s, then there's either a) something wrong with the batch your Target got or b) you're doing something wrong.:-P

gameinformer blows...that site's a god damn joke...doesn't even post a fucking source article. i can make up shit also and not post any sources.

"beer rains from sky" "prostitute prices hit rock bottom"

The difference between you and GI is that... GI has credibility to defend, you don't. GI has tons of readers... you can't even type properly. Therefore, it's likely what they said probably came from a good source (notice I said probably, didn't say it was true).

[M1C13]

thanks everybody for standing up for me. this story is on digg with a bunch of diggs but I wasn't even going to try and say I was the one started it all.

[Apossum]

This definitely puts a little fire under sony's butt.

no reason for me to buy it though...a cheap modded xbox is still more capable of handling media. it can play every file type and stream all your media, with a larger HD, all for probably half the cost, with no hassle of the media center extender. only difference is no HD-DVD and no video marketplace.

[road3283]

Call me old school, but I always liked it when console prices dropped. Oh well, can't wait to see what they stuff into the $700 PS3.

[mvick288]

its jkust if it locks up once...i also use it for the 3 month free warranty. because i know as soon as the warranty return is over, it will break. i also get free xbox live! also, if there is a price drop i get covered!

[Cloudy Wolf]

If you've had 9 frozen 360s, then there's either a) something wrong with the batch your Target got or b) you're doing something wrong.:-P



The difference between you and GI is that... GI has credibility to defend, you don't. GI has tons of readers... you can't even type properly. Therefore, it's likely what they said probably came from a good source (notice I said probably, didn't say it was true).
OH SHIT!! I just got OWNED. Did everybody see that. i misspelled a word and this FOCKER called me on it. PURE FOCKING OWNAGE!!!1111!!:applause:

awesome debate skills by the way. :applause:

[whoknows]

That guy is reporting what a CAG said here! And no damn credit was even given to the OP!

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128115
No, he's reporting what GameInformer said

[Mr Durand Pierre]

For those complaining about the price increase, I don't think that will be a problem as the Zephyr will merely make the current premium system less desirable and therefore cheaper. And most people don't care about HDMI and I find the 20gig HD to be plenty big enough. So this is really good news all around then.

[io]

thanks everybody for standing up for me. this story is on digg with a bunch of diggs but I wasn't even going to try and say I was the one started it all.

Yeah, their story is particularly pathetic if by "Retailers have confirmed that the new SKU is in their systems" they simply mean different Gamecrazy locations (as *first* noted here and then confirmed at other GC's by Kotaku). Now, if another chain has this SKU in their system, that IS "new" news, but they don't say which retailers they mean. Kind of lame...

"but it’s interesting that so many retailers are wrong in the same way…" - OK, how about listing some of these "so many retailers" (if they mean anything but Gamecrazy and possibly the Australian retailer)?? That would lend some credibility to their report (and make it further confirmation that the rumor is probably true).

As for the price increase/features - I don't have a 360 yet (well, actually, I do have a Costco bundle sitting right here but I'm going to return it ;)) and this seems like a great value to me. I'll get one as soon as I can (was hoping for a Gamecrazy preorder!). The black I don't particularly care about, and the HDMI isn't so important to me now. But the convenience of having 100GB more right off the bat is worth the $80 more alone. If it also has the quieter DVD drive that makes it well worth it. The 65nm/cooler processor would be a bonus but I'm not expecting that at this point. (And I'm definitely not expecting built-in HD DVD).

[panasonic]

OH SHIT!! I just got OWNED. Did everybody see that. i misspelled a word and this FOCKER called me on it. PURE FOCKING OWNAGE!!!1111!!:applause:

awesome debate skills by the way. :applause:

i focking lold hard focking lold hard. thanks for making me fucking laugh :D

[panasonic]

i was planning on buying a wii this summer but looks like i am adding $80 and returning my 360

[R1V3R5]

No, he's reporting what GameInformer said

When I refer to "that guy," I'm actually talking about the Game Informer guy. And isn't it weird that Game Informer reports this just a few hours after a CAG tells us about a black 360 available on May 1st and at $479.99. We all know that GI just stole the whole thing from CAG.

Also, can we just merge this with the other topic since GI just stole this information from M1C13 in the first place.

Again, his topic his here...
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...d.php?t=128115

[whoknows]

When I refer to "that guy," I'm actually talking about the Game Informer guy. And isn't it weird that Game Informer reports this just a few hours after a CAG tells us about a black 360 available on May 1st and at $479.99. We all know that GI just stole the whole thing from CAG.

Also, can we just merge this with the other topic since GI just stole this information from M1C13 in the first place.

Again, his topic his here...
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...d.php?t=128115
Oh, I thought you were attacking the OP :lol:

NVM then :-P

[R1V3R5]

No, I'm certainly not attacking the OP. In fact, I applaud him for bringing that GI article to our attention.

[CheapyD]

thanks everybody for standing up for me. this story is on digg with a bunch of diggs but I wasn't even going to try and say I was the one started it all.
It was really solid of the Game Informer writer to not mention you at all...journalism at its finest.

Jeff Cork
jeff@gameinformer.com

Thanks, Jeff!

[lanzarlaluna]

It was really solid of the Game Informer writer to not mention you at all...journalism at its finest.

Jeff Cork
jeff@gameinformer.com

Thanks, Jeff! I left Jeff a present in his inbox.

[vivafriend5]

I stopped my Game Informer subscription for a reason...

[PyroGamer]

I don't think $80 more for HDMI and 100 gigs more storage is a bad price at all.
It should be $400. Sure, I'd be willing to pay it, but if MS released a competitive system, featurwise, compared to the PS3, it would be quite something.

[icruise]

I personally think releasing a more expensive system with a lot of the same bells & whistles as the PS3 (presumably with the exception of built-in HD-DVD) would be a big mistake for MS. It's almost a tacit recognition that Sony had the right approach all along (and assuming the rumor is correct, it's even in black!).

I have said a number of times that the PS3 isn't actually overpriced when compared to the 360, as long as you take into account what you actually get. However, having such a large price difference does help the 360 on a psychological level.

By the way, for the people saying that consumer electronics get upgraded all the time -- that is certainly true. However, game consoles in general do not. Part of the appeal of a console is that the hardware remains the same. This is good for developers (since they don't have to worry about changes in configuration) and good for the consumer (since they don't have to worry about buying something that will soon become obsolete). True, Nintendo does have a history of releasing updated hardware, but in general the changes are cosmetic and not functional (they may have different colors or a better screen, but they don't radically change the hardware specs). So I do think people would be justified in getting upset at a change like this so early in the 360's lifespan.

[Ugamer_X]

IGN now has the story up with GI as the source.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/766/766047p1.html

[mykevermin]

IGN now has the story up with GI as the source.

:rofl:

Fuckin' jerks. Almost makes me hope it turns out to be totally wrong so these guys look like the thievin' schmucks they are.

[io]

:rofl:

Fuckin' jerks. Almost makes me hope it turns out to be totally wrong so these schmucks look like fools.

Wait, so IGN gets it from GameInformer, who swiped it from here, where it was listed because it showed in the Gamecrazy POS, which may be there because some corporate type at GC heard the Australian release rumors, which may have been spurred by the pictures of the black Dev kits that have been floating around...

So it all might be for nothing, indeed. Though the weak link there is how GC got wind of it (complete speculation on my part that their listing might be due to rumors). I'm hoping, of course, since I'm waiting on buying a 360 because of this, that it does turn out to be true.

[carpwrist]

daggit! i thought you meant the Criterion game was coming to 360. kinda misleading OP!

[Scorch]

FWIW, I went over the weekend and did a reprint of every price change over the past week.. never saw it. Checked the POS.. no evidence. Maybe they just covered their tracks.. who knows.

Also.. the master release list was screwed up last week (it was sorted by date rather than system), along with them converting over to a different credit card verification system AND inventory.. so it's possible that it was accidentally put on a list.. or maybe it was a system error.. I dunno WTF is going on but I couldn't find a trace of it.

[Cao Cao]

Wait, so IGN gets it from GameInformer, who swiped it from here, where it was listed because it showed in the Gamecrazy POS, which may be there because some corporate type at GC heard the Australian release rumors, which may have been spurred by the pictures of the black Dev kits that have been floating around, which are secretly distributed by Kevin Bacon...
Fix'd...
Or maybe it was Michael Caine?

[Javery]

It might be worth it for the quieter drive. If I could trade in my current system, a couple of games and $100 and get the new one I'd probably bite.

[trip1eX]

BS unless there's more to the sku.

Might as well buy a $500 PS3 with BR built-in. ON the PS3 you can put in your own hard drive which means alot more capacity and dirt cheap.

So no way MS is doing this at that pricepoint.

[asianxcore]

Assuming this might be true...

Would there be a way to transfer all your saves off your old 20GB hard drive to the new one?

[RelentlessRolento]

Assuming this might be true...

Would there be a way to transfer all your saves off your old 20GB hard drive to the new one?


so far all I know would be using some PC transfer stuff or buy a memory unit...

and yeah, the new HDD space is a huge plus.

[CrazyKid]

To all you non believers to this exsistance of the "BLack 360" it is true...

For one fact Microsoft is releasing this system currently in the Australian market first to counter-act the PS3 launch over there on March 23 2007

As many of you already know it does come with a 120 GiG Hard Drive and
Also HDMI also..... as of right now the only market that possibly getting the HDDrive is the American Market when it launches later this FALL....

GameCrazy does not run off of SKU's

In Fact too be honest I witnessed the Black 360 actually in the system and once they realized that the description "accidentally" went out to all stores, they took it out of the system for now.

Also look forward this spring to several different types of Hard Drives Ranging from 40 gigs to 120 Gigs