CAGcast #64: Good Enough

[CheapyD]

CheapyD and Wombat discuss Wii disappointments, Xbox 360 Partnernet controversies, and the only PS3 game worth $600. In addition, we cover the latest industry and game shopping news, your questions from the CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382), and much more!

Listen for details on new contests, sponsored by GameBrink.com (http://www.gamebrink.com/) , Phoenix Wright 2 (http://www.capcom.com/aceattorney/) (DS), and Crackdown (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/c/crackdown/default.htm?WText.camp=HR1-Crackdown&WText.campSrc=Home) (360).

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Show Linkage/Notes:

Intro music: Goonies II (NES)

Contest winners: drumman201 (Phoenix Wright 2) & Panasonic (VF5)

CAG Foreplay: New Releases (2/20/07) (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../archives/cag-foreplay-new-releases-22007.php)

Partnernet (http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2007/02/why_partnernet_is_a_pr_nightma.php)
Black 360 is in Game Crazy POS (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128115)
XBLA's Ross Erickson leaves Microsoft, heads over to Sierra Online (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/93414358/)

Sound Of GameStop Stalking (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/gamespot/the-sound-of-gamestop-stalking-237948.php)

Nintendo's web stats soar above rivals (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/93012201/)
Scary Manhunt 2 Letter (http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/02/13/mail-from-rockstar-terrifies-blogger/)

AOL: Don't Buy a PS3 (http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/aol-dont-buy-a-ps3-237878.php)

Analyst: EA "Most Likely Buyer" Of 2K Sports (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ea/analyst-ea-most-likely-buyer-of-2k-sports-237497.php)

CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382)

Digg the CAGcast (http://www.digg.com/podcasts/CAGcast)
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Outro: Buck Rogers Planet of Zoom (http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=5180)

Bonus Videos/Pictures! (may take time to be available)
CheapyD Rides the Segway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clMJZtkLuDg

CAGcast 64: Companion Video (The Uncapsuling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7QAVZ0Wdfc

EPOCH MAN
http://www.miniarcade.com/epoch/eman.htm
http://www.miniarcade.com/img/games/epoch/eman_game1.jpg (http://www.miniarcade.com/epoch/eman.htm)

[Temporaryscars]

Great show. It's nice to see the feedback section again after it went missing for a few eps.

Put me in for Crackdown, though I regret always posting in the top five, since it seems like the lower numbers never get picked. :D

[CheapyD]

To enter the latest contest, please post in the new contest thread (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128691).

p.s. I always use random.org to pick the winners

[FriskyTanuki]

You don't need to upgrade the Wii's firmware before downloading channels. I downloaded Everybody Votes first and updated after that and it worked fine.

:rofl: At the Manhunt 2 "letter" you got, Cheapy.

That EA rumor is just so stupid. We need someone to become CAG's spoof financial analyst since it takes no skill for guys like Michael Pachter to fo it.

Good show, as always.

[mrx1]

Ahhhhh...the Segway.It revolutionized the way people get hit by cars.:lol:Wonder if you can drive that thing drunk.

AND WOMBAT IF YOURE LOOKING TO DITCH YOURE XBOX 360,ILL GIVE YOU A DECENT AMOUNT FOR IT.

[FriskyTanuki]

Ahhhhh,the Segway.It revolutionized the way people get hit by cars.:lol:Wonder if you can drive that thing drunk.
Cheapy probably just uploaded it, so it's probably still processing.

[daphatty]

The Short Answer:

Game certification and game testing ARE NOT the same thing.

The Long Answer:

Game certification usually happens early on, when much of the game is on paper and/or during the alpha phase. At least, that's how it works (yes, present tense) at Sony.

[bobthecat23]

great podcast guys keep up the work
off topic........... does anyone kno if a bluetooth headseat thats Blutooth 1.2 will work with the PS3

PS maybe cheapy u can send me a gratis copy of rail simulator for my Ps3

[bobthecat23]

yeah i havent played jade empire might pick up i have seen it for like 14

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I don't see how hard the Everybody Votes channel was to figure out. The message that came from Nintendo annoucing Everybody Votes specifically said that you needed to update the firmware before the channel would be active. The fact that the Upgrade button is in the message itself is apparently not obvious enough.

I agree that WiiConnect24 should be downloading firmware updates automatically (but NOT applying them), and that it could be used more effectively, but please don't blame your lack of reading skills on problems with downloading and using the channel.

[davidjinfla]

Hey good show. couple of observations.

The nintendo nielson ratings maybe a little high if they include DS gaming in thier statistics. Also the hits for the Wii connect maybe just one time hits from people setting up thier systems and checking it out.

Much as I would like to see Jade Empire 360 they would have to recode the entire game from scrath to work with new hardware. Cost bioware a lot of money and they couldn't release it at a lower price point.

However why couldn't microsoft re-release the best xbox titles with the emulation code for each specific game on each disc that way you wouldn't need xbox live and you could sell these games at a lower price.

[kaw]

I think we all know what "medium-large consumer electronics company" Wombat works for now. ;)

[bobthecat23]

wat company does ye olde wombat work for?

[NateWhs152]

Great show as always guys. Put me down for crackdown

[PyroGamer]

Segway scooters are SUPPOSED to come up to your waist (when you stand on them).


And OMGWTFBBQ!!! Put me down for Crackdown

This is the first prize I've REALLY wanted to win!!!!!!! (besides the $100 and stuff like that)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8152/runawayab0.gif


CRACKDOWN!!!

[trip1eX]

I like the 'you're wrong trip1ex' Wombat voice. I lol-ed on that.

But come on. Playing R6:Vegas is the same as playing R6, R6:Rogue Spear, R63, R63:xpac, R63:Lockdown, GR, GR xpacs, GR2, GR:AW, Gr:AW2, ....etc. I even think it's getting to be the same as playing Splinter Cell.

Hell if you played the first level of a R6 game you've seen the rest of the game.


And as far as WiiSports goes......... you don't throwaway a board game because you played it once. You don't tear down your basketball hoop after you shoot baskets for one hour. You don't put your pool table on craigslist after your first day of playing because you've seen all there is to play!!!!!!!!

WiiSports is like your board game or basketball hoop or Pool Table or Chess board,e tc. IT's like a card game.


You're right that R6 is pretty good about breaking the experience into shorter play sessions although I think you're exagerating the 15 minute thing. Good luck booting up the game and getting to a checkpoint in 15 minutes. WiiSports is still much better in this regard because its games are a few minutes long. IT also is much quicker to get into a game of WiiSports.

Where R6 really fails, as stated above ,is that it doesn't offer a new experience. Yeah Vegas is probably the best version ever, but this year's crop of hdtvs are probably better than last years too. That doesn't mean I rush out and by a new hdtv. Why? Ok they cost alot of money, but I could 'trade in' my old one and not be out alot relatively speaking. REally though I don't bother because the improvements aren't great enough to make a change.

That's the same with games and so without new experiences (& shorter experiences) you're going to lose gamers as they age.

Don't get me wrong. WiiPlay and WiiSports aren't the only types of new experiences I think will work to retain customers, but Nintendo seems to the only big publisher putting out some really new experiences and giving us some shorter games.

I would love it if American publishers gave us some casual short bloody violent games that are something new and different.

Anyway good show as usual. I may not always agree with ya all, but you guys do a pretty darn good job.

[shipwreck]

Note to self: insert more song lyrics into new releases.

[CorporalJackson]

Goonies!

[Ciego]

Where do I find the Amazon video game deal of the day? I have been looking all over for it.

[shipwreck]

Where do I find the Amazon video game deal of the day? I have been looking all over for it.

Today's deal is Splinter Cell: Double Agent for the 360.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000H97NMW/ref=nosim/cheapassgam08-20

[PyroGamer]

Okay... I hope I'm don't offend you guys, but I think this is a bit of constructive critisicm.

Wombat just doesn't seem to know what the hell he's talking about.

Not that CheapyD doesn't do his fair share, but it's almost laughable to hear the misinformation and blatant ignorance you guys sometimes spew. Props to Wombat for admitting he doesn't know, and I realize he's a very busy man, so he doesn't have alot of time to keep up with the industry, but it seems like running a videogame podcast requires a bit more knowledge about videogaming then you guys exhibit.

There are so many times when I hear you so blatantly wrong, mistating facts, misunderstanding events, probably misled... and I wish I could just yell out "come on guys, you are both so wrong this isn't even funny".

Good thing CheapyD seems active on the internet, and is sometimes able to correct his and Wombat's errors through a google search even as the podcast is being recorded.



By the way, these last two (maybe three) podcasts have been getting better and better, Wombat is genuinely slightly funny at times, and almost borders on being insightful and/or informative. The Wombat love is no mistake.

[Temporaryscars]

To enter the latest contest, please post in the new contest thread (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128691).

p.s. I always use random.org to pick the winners


Whoops. My mistake.

[gunm]

I disagree with some people's assessment of Cheapyd's treatment of Wombat. It's Cheapys' show and if Wombat isn't following the outline or is going over Cheapy's head, it's well within his right to call him out over it. I don't think it hurts the show if there's an element of unscripted-ness either, so if Wombat wants to go off tangent or whatever, that gives the podcast a little edge and sometimes funny stuff results. I like Wombat in the show and all, but I'll admit I couldn't listen to a whole show with just him talking--he needs Cheapy to reel it in and play off of his style.

As for why MS is protective of their services and new releases...it's an advantage to companies not to reveal too much as a way to keep competitors guessing as to what IPs they are developing and to keep consumers "wanting more". It could also help prevent any preconceived negative feelings toward the products in case consumers don't like the titles announced. Also, it allows the company to delay announcing release dates so developers aren't pressured to rush out titles.

[Blaine]

Mr. Cheapy D. I came across the following link on the intarweb you may enjoy:

http://www.silencethemusical.com/audio/Murphy.mp3

It's a clip from Robocop: The Musical. From the genius folks who created Silence of The Lambs the Musical.

I'm not sure how much they've made, or are going to make, but you at least have that one track.

Enjoy.

[wirelessguy]

Great show guys, keep up the great work!

[MillerTime2523]

:lol: at the segway video - thats great.

Keep it up Cheapy and Wombat! Love to kill hours with the CAGCast!

[MysteryMan2333]

As someone whose friends are waiting to purchase an Xbox 360 until Halo 3 comes out, I've had to deal with the wraith of many a 12-14 year old on Xbox Live. Nothing is worse than listening to some kid who hasn't hit puberty yet brag about how he just grenade tagged you in GoW. Although I'd still rather play with them than mature gamers who do nothing but glitch...

[Indiana]

That's funny about your wives and Gears of War. I love the game but my wife hates when I play it. I'm going to have to ask some questions on what about the game she dislikes now.

[Alcedes]

that opening goonies music made me think of my c64... good times, better times with crackdown!

[nny77713]

My wife hates gears as well. I try to play when she is not around. She really has no objections to anything else I play. She has said she doesn't like the blood and violence.

[tbogard99]

put me down for Crackdown

[CheapyD]

Mr. Cheapy D. I came across the following link on the intarweb you may enjoy:

http://www.silencethemusical.com/audio/Murphy.mp3

It's a clip from Robocop: The Musical. From the genius folks who created Silence of The Lambs the Musical.

I'm not sure how much they've made, or are going to make, but you at least have that one track.

Enjoy.

My god...that was pretty good!

[TheHiei]

I loved the You Win!/You Lose! thing . . .

Hilarious timing with it.

[dubbfoolio]

om-shaq-fu-g! goonies II cyndi lauper style midi goodness brought tears to my eyes. well done. now if you two dudes could stop ragging on each others' physical appearances the podcast would be perfect! hug it out or something.

P.S. I'll gladly take a copy of crackdown, and not pay you for it tomorrow.

[guyver2077]

couldnt post it in the last thread...

wanted to thank you guys.. episode 63 was a great listen on my plain trip to dallas...

unfortunately this game of the day sale starts when im over here and by the time i notice its too late...

and i cant find any gaming store.. hence i need crackdown!!!

thanks

[PyroGamer]

Mr. Cheapy D. I came across the following link on the intarweb you may enjoy:

http://www.silencethemusical.com/audio/Murphy.mp3

It's a clip from Robocop: The Musical. From the genius folks who created Silence of The Lambs the Musical.

I'm not sure how much they've made, or are going to make, but you at least have that one track.

Enjoy.
:lol:

Listening to Silence the Musical right now!!!

:lol:

[ThePhenomenal©я@cK]

I WAS IN THE CAGBAG!

Anyway, I've got to put my two cents on PartnerNet. If they don't want anyone to know or talk about it; why even advertise it? Why not just keep it on the low and allow commited users to use it. It's like being a closet homosexual, but posting pictures of you making sweet nookie-noo with the mexican gardener on your MySpace page.

The bottom line; they should've kept the site underground, they're the ones who openly talked/advertise, they can't expect people to not talk about/ post YouTube videos on it. And with supposedly good games in works for XBLA, wouldn't they want this extra anticipation?

[thorbahn3]

I've drawn why I think CheapyD doesn't get hit on in the following comic. Yes I know it looks like shit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/thorbahn3/CheapyDinjapcomic.jpg




As for Wombat talking about how he likes playing Rainbow Vegas because it is like a new show each week, I think that is just his taste. Take Tetris for example, that's pretty basic like Wii sports and look at how well it did.

[dadeisvenm]

I've drawn why I think CheapyD doesn't get hit on in the following comic. Yes I know it looks like shit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/thorbahn3/CheapyDinjapcomic.jpg




As for Wombat talking about how he likes playing Rainbow Vegas because it is like a new show each week, I think that is just his taste. Take Tetris for example, that's pretty basic like Wii sports and look at how well it did.


Its soo bad. It needs to be an avatar.

[jngx80]

Cheapy: What was microsoft's reasoning for you to take the partnernet video down?

It's kind of funny I was watching Frontline on PBS yesterday and they were discussing the relationship between the press and the government i.e. when does the press cross the line between reporting news/revealing government secrets.

I think it was wrong to post up the video. I never saw the video but how do you justify it as news worthy? When a developer decides to release a game, they'll let the press know - why is there a sense to beat them to the punch? Just for website hits?

As a game enthusiast don't you think it ruins the surprise?

But definitely shame on to the "journalists" that actually had a debug unit and went against MS's policy and what did they report on? - a Treasure logo. Hope it was worth it for them because I don't think MS approves of it. If I was MS I'd take their systems back and never invite, talk to them again.

[Andy787]

The character from Shenmue was Ryo, not Ryu!



<---


...would you like to play a game of lucky hit?




.....how about a game of lucky hit?




(P.S. Phoenix Wright: Justice for All, please.)

[qbkorso]

Great show guys! I'm really digging your show. This is only my 2nd week listening. I would like Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney - Justice for All.

[tribal24]

great show still disappointed that cheapy still hasnt found a game beside railfan though, we need more ps3 talk on here>.>

[NamPaehc]

Not much game news I was interested in but still really funny/good stuff.

[McBacon]

Cool show, really funny for me to get a mention out of the blue from Cheapy, lol.

[Milkyman]

I WAS IN THE CAGBAG!

Anyway, I've got to put my two cents on PartnerNet. If they don't want anyone to know or talk about it; why even advertise it? Why not just keep it on the low and allow commited users to use it. It's like being a closet homosexual, but posting pictures of you making sweet nookie-noo with the mexican gardener on your MySpace page.

The bottom line; they should've kept the site underground, they're the ones who openly talked/advertise, they can't expect people to not talk about/ post YouTube videos on it. And with supposedly good games in works for XBLA, wouldn't they want this extra anticipation?

dudes, partner net is for press and developers to play games that are being worked on in a multiplayer environment. theres no advertising for it, we only know about it because people in the press have mentioned it. usually lamenting the fact that they have more nerdpoints on their partner net screen name than their real one. It is Live for incomplete games. They don't want you talking about what you see on partner net because they don't want competitors to steal their thunder.

[shipwreck]

dudes, partner net is for press and developers to play games that are being worked on in a multiplayer environment. theres no advertising for it, we only know about it because people in the press have mentioned it. usually lamenting the fact that they have more nerdpoints on their partner net screen name than their real one. It is Live for incomplete games. They don't want you talking about what you see on partner net because they don't want competitors to steal their thunder.

I think he may have been referring to "advertising" as Major Nelson talking about it on his podcast. It might not be formal advertising, but Microsoft's "unofficial" spokesman about everything 360 has a large userbase (a userbase that wouldn't exist if he wasn't breaking news and having interviews with insiders at Microsoft). Well, if the face of Xbox is going to talk about it, people are going to want to know what is on there. And if things are leaked outside of PartnerNet, it's going to find its way onto the internet.

I understand all of Microsoft's reasons for not wanting PartnerNet info out in the wild, but it's the nature of the beast. They have NDA's in place to protect against this stuff and they obviously aren't enforcing them well enough to keep this stuff under wraps.

But you've got to respect the wishes of CheapyMom.

[evanft]

I don't see how hard the Everybody Votes channel was to figure out. The message that came from Nintendo annoucing Everybody Votes specifically said that you needed to update the firmware before the channel would be active. The fact that the Upgrade button is in the message itself is apparently not obvious enough.

I agree that WiiConnect24 should be downloading firmware updates automatically (but NOT applying them), and that it could be used more effectively, but please don't blame your lack of reading skills on problems with downloading and using the channel.

Oh snap!!!

[Bazz]

Another great show I'm happy that the last 2 shows been going way up in everything , keep up all the good work and keeping the Cagcast my favorite Podcast out. Thanks Cheapy & Wombat.

[AshesofWake]

i laughed so hard at you receiving that Manhunt 2 letter and your reaction :rofl: good work.

[Jackal888]

After hearing CheapyD raving about Rail Fan. I think I am interested in it. I am not sure about importing it just yet. Maybe its my trust in CheapyD. I do like unusual games from Japan. Did they release a special controller for Rail Fan?

[iowaholdem]

I'm a new (re)subscriber. I'd like to win Crackdown 360, a LOT!

[lokizz]

GTA 4 will more than likely be set in europe. there was a rumor a whiel abck theyd be goign back some place theyd been before. but if i had a choice as to where id like to see it set id choose south america.

and as far as them rereleasing ps2 games with updated ps3 graphics why would sony need to do that damn near all of the ps2 library is backwards compatible so why waste your money on old games they just get touched up? its not liek a wii where you need to buy gc games since most peopel who buy wiis get it for the gmmick of it all and they didnt have a gc previously so they need gc games to make the thing worth owning.

its attitudes like that that are the reason why the movie industry is full of lame ass remakes. its one thing to take an established series to the next console generation but nobody wants to play cheeseball lazy upgrades of games we already own.

virtua fighter 5

[Gshocker]

Great episode. I recently found your podcast thru Digg and have been going back thru the old episodes. I am certainly going to be adding your cast to my playlist.

Love the talk about Railfan.. I just picked that one up a few weeks ago and I have to say it is strangely addicting. I have been amazed by the video in the game which makes it very cool.

I have a few Train games for my PSP and only one so far has video play which I think makes the game really unique.

Well keep up the great work. Looking forward to more entertaining shows from you.. Great to have someone in Japan one of my favorite places to play / shop.. Nothing like hitting Akiba Yodobashi.

[ThePhenomenal©я@cK]

I think he may have been referring to "advertising" as Major Nelson talking about it on his podcast. It might not be formal advertising, but Microsoft's "unofficial" spokesman about everything 360 has a large userbase (a userbase that wouldn't exist if he wasn't breaking news and having interviews with insiders at Microsoft). Well, if the face of Xbox is going to talk about it, people are going to want to know what is on there. And if things are leaked outside of PartnerNet, it's going to find its way onto the internet.

I understand all of Microsoft's reasons for not wanting PartnerNet info out in the wild, but it's the nature of the beast. They have NDA's in place to protect against this stuff and they obviously aren't enforcing them well enough to keep this stuff under wraps.

But you've got to respect the wishes of CheapyMom.


THANK YOU for the back up, Shipwreck.

[Tommyboy99]

Very good podcast, this week i want

Crackdown

[F8X]

Once again another funny and entertaining podcast.
Would have posted earlier but work for me has been tough this month.

And Evangelion- your not the only one from the forgotten borough ;)

I also request the "British Stereotype" CAGcast with tea, fishsticks, and High-Class (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfodhBp-as) British porn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re4tlMxCEvg).

*runs away saying "Yay"*:)

PS: Everyone should see this at the top of their page.(the dugg part)
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8449/cagcastjd5.png (http://digg.com/podcasts/CAGcast)

[Kaijufan]

Cheapy your Manhunt story was hilarious.

[jollydwarf]

There are so many times when I hear you so blatantly wrong, mistating facts, misunderstanding events, probably misled... and I wish I could just yell out "come on guys, you are both so wrong this isn't even funny".

http://arbredespossibles2.free.fr/SF/Images/Matrix06Morpheus_small.jpg

"I know EXACTLY what you mean."

Not bitching here, per se, but very often there are blatant oversights and significant bits of misinformation on the podcast that really push it out of the 'casual, comfy' parameters that we all know and love, and right into 'messy' and 'reckless'. Then again, Garnett Lee wouldn't be who he is if he didn't fuck up at least one fact a week on "1up Yours". So it's not just you two.

I also vehemently disagree about members of PartnerNet having some sort of "obligation" to report what they're seeing on there. Granted, Microsoft has handled the Live Arcade very poorly, but getting gamers frothing-at-the-mouth angry because they assume that Ikaruga being 'out there' means that they should be playing it within the month isn't helping Microsoft's cause. Hell, it's not helping these idiots' blood pressure levels, either. I just can't get with this 'Spoil everything you know' protocol that permeates every corner of the Internet. The way the geek savages go after these sorts of scraps makes me actually feel sorry for monolithic corporations. Quite a feat, I must say.

P.S. Thank God no one can hack J.K. Rowling. I sometimes wonder if half the reason the Harry Potter books are as successful as they are is because they're one of the last pop culture events that isn't totally spoiled six months before they release. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED AS MUCH AS YOU THINK YOU WANT TO BE. Ah, I'm old. I grew up with only vague playground rumors to go on. My opinion doesn't matter to the Fall Out Boy crowd. Uh...whatever that means.

[hero101]

Put down for crackdown. Wombat is getting funnier, so I turn the volume up slightly each podcast. Hopefully, this won't affect my hearing.

[KongaKing]

Great Episode. Lord Cheapy I laughed so hard at your manhut mail. Classic.

Oh, and I'd pick Crackdown for the drawing.

[triforcer]

Cheapy got punked by rockstar, i didn't realized you made enemies so easily.

[Klank]

Great show made me laugh out loud several times. You should be happy that you don't get hit on often cheapy. I know you have said before that you would never cheat on mrs.cheapy but its even easier when the temptation is not presenting it self.

I hate the whole showering in public thing as well. Maybe its different in japan but around here most of the gyms around here have individual shower stalls rather than the older style big open room.

I really like the idea of not so old last gen games getting a slight update and being put out at around $20 or so on the 360 or PS3. I know there are older xbox and PS2 games I would still like to play but I really wish I could get some nerd points for them. It would be the perfect thing for xbox live arcade. Seems like this would also be a good way to beef up the poor line up for the PS3 as well.

I agree with you Wombat about the length of a game not being such an issue any more as I am in the same boat of not having near as much time to play games these days. I've been playing R6 Vegas for awhile now and it still feels like I have a long way to go.

All this talk of rail fan makes me wish it would come out for the 360 :-#

[io]

P.S. Thank God no one can hack J.K. Rowling. I sometimes wonder if half the reason the Harry Potter books are as successful as they are is because they're one of the last pop culture events that isn't totally spoiled six months before they release. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED AS MUCH AS YOU THINK YOU WANT TO BE. Ah, I'm old. I grew up with only vague playground rumors to go on. My opinion doesn't matter to the Fall Out Boy crowd. Uh...whatever that means.

Utterly and hopelessly off-topic here, but I know what you are saying about spoilage. If you are close to my age, you'll remember seeing the original Star Wars and, of course, thinking it was the greatest thing ever made. Maybe you saw it a few times that summer (I think I saw it 3 times). Then you kind of forgot about it as you went through a few more years of school (as there was no video tape release, no TV showings, no nothing except for a brief re-release as "Episode IV"). Then all of a sudden, whoa, there's a sequel out, and the news says there is supposedly some huge secret revealed. You go to see it and get so blown away by the Vader thing that you are in denial until 3 years later when RotJ comes out and Obi-Wan confirms it ;). But, like you said, there was nothing but (completely off-base) playground rumors at the time. This damn interweb and it's semi-accurate rumor-mongering! The kids these days have it so easy... and yet, so lacking in some ways... Hmmm...

[encendido5]

Re: the length of games

I totally agree with you Wombat on the length of games. This sort of goes along with the difficulty question I asked for last week. I personally don't have time to sit for 2 hours a day to play a video game. That's part of the reason why I've only made it 25 hours into Zelda and haven't played it in a couple of weeks.

I hear people complaining about how an 8 hour game wasn't long enough, but I say it's just the right length. If I only get to play 2-3 hours a week, I'd finish it within a month. I have all these 50-70 hour RPG's (including Oblivion) just sitting on my shelf and will probably never get played because I don't have the time.

[Gregory_Tea]

Hey CheapyD,

No offense but that video of you on the segway was hilarious. The two attendants working there looked like they thought you were gonna either fall really hard, or just steal the damn thing. I dont know if its your height, the segway itself, or just the fact that im bored and at work, but i was dying watching that video!

The cast is awesome too. More PSP stuff please.



Put me down for that Japanese Motorstorm PS3, that is, if its compatible with US systems, if not ill take Socom II PSP. Nice.

[sinewav]

Regardinging your dilema with PartnerNet Cheapy, I feel what's done is done and the best you can do is just lay low and stay off Microsoft's radar for now and definitely not repeat this incident again. Like Wombat I don't see the need for an apology, more so time to let things cool down between you and the big MS. My $0.02.

[jollydwarf]

You go to see it and get so blown away by the Vader thing that you are in denial until 3 years later when RotJ comes out and Obi-Wan confirms it.

Not only did I see the original first-run in a mall theater (and again a handful of times over the next couple years), I distinctly remember the pre-Return of the Jedi hype building up through things like print media (!) and conversation (!!). The local paper had an article on the front page of their entertainment section the week before it released featuring various theories about who Luke's father really was (Obi Wan?) and who Yoda was referring to when he said "There is another." Some of the readers' submissions were pretty funny, as you might guess. I also recall hearing Revenge of the Jedi as the title in the early going, as well as seeing a trailer for the film unexpectedly before another movie. It was a double-surprise, as my dad never got us to the theater and in our seats on time.

[Thomas96]

NOTE to Cheapy - Please stop making a mockery of the Playstation 3. Railfan is worth 600 dollars to the right customer; you're right, but the same can be said about any game. No one game can justify the cost of a system, it's about the collection of games a system has in its library that justifies the cost of the system. Right now, no system has a single game that's worth the cost of the system... is Zelda worth 249.99 to play, or Wario Ware worth 249.99, is Gears of War woth 399.99 to play. Is it worth 600 just to play Resistance... NOooo. None of the systems (Wii, PS3, and 360) have a library that's worth the cost of the system. (360 will have a great library when Mass effect hits)

Overall, I love the show Cheapy, Wombat you two are doing a great job with the CAG casts. One suggestion.. In the beginning I love how you use the old school sound clips as a intro for the show, if possible use some sound clips to Distinguish the beginning of a new segment of the show.. like a specific sound byte for Wii Talk section, and for the PS3, and 360 sections. I let my wife listen to the show for the first time, she liked it, but she thought it sounded like you two were just talking on the phone. Oh yeah, read more comments from your listeners.

You guys should definitely make amends to Microsoft, and not because you did anything wrong by posting the MS information, it's just a matter of protecting that relationship that you have with MS. I don't see Sony or Nintendo having any dialog with you guys, and giving you guys freebees for the show. [ex.Just explain that you're behind them (ref to MS) 100 percent, and that CAG is a multioriented website that focuses on not only gaming related deals, but on breaking news.]

[coolz481]

Interesting comments about Jade Empire, although I can't help but think you two would be all over Nintendo if they released older Gamecube with updated controls at a $30 price point for the Wii (which Miyamoto has talked about in the past).

The Gamestop call I guess is obnoxious, but it did prompt me to go in and get $42 for Zelda: TP ($35 + 10% edge + 10% game informer coupon).

[zewone]

The Short Answer:

Game certification and game testing ARE NOT the same thing.

The Long Answer:

Game certification usually happens early on, when much of the game is on paper and/or during the alpha phase. At least, that's how it works (yes, present tense) at Sony.
I think they mean when a game is certified Gold. This happens when the game is finished.

Okay... I hope I'm don't offend you guys, but I think this is a bit of constructive critisicm.

Wombat just doesn't seem to know what the hell he's talking about.

Not that CheapyD doesn't do his fair share, but it's almost laughable to hear the misinformation and blatant ignorance you guys sometimes spew. Props to Wombat for admitting he doesn't know, and I realize he's a very busy man, so he doesn't have alot of time to keep up with the industry, but it seems like running a videogame podcast requires a bit more knowledge about videogaming then you guys exhibit.

There are so many times when I hear you so blatantly wrong, mistating facts, misunderstanding events, probably misled... and I wish I could just yell out "come on guys, you are both so wrong this isn't even funny".

Good thing CheapyD seems active on the internet, and is sometimes able to correct his and Wombat's errors through a google search even as the podcast is being recorded.
I feel the same way. I like listening to you guys, but goddamn you guys always seem to be talking out your ass. At least read Kotaku/Joystiq's last two pages of updates so you kind of have an understanding on what's going on.

Also, Wombat disappointed again, by not recognizing the Chun Li capsule voice.

And the Jade Empire with slightly better graphics for $20-30 is a terrible idea. The 360 already does this by upconverting the game to high def. The minor additions of Rhino Man and Bo Staff+1 do not make the justification of releasing a 2 year old game on a new console.

(360 will have a great library when Mass effect hits)
So...one game makes a great library? :roll: The 360 has a great library, because it has a great library of games, not one. At this point and time, the 360 is the only new gen system that you can say that about.

[XXXplosive1]

The show was great as usual. Wombat was especially snarky on the podcast and that led to some humor in the show. The manhunt 2 mail was hilarious as I probably would have had the same reaction.

One suggestion. You guys should either name the theme music from the show open at the end of the Cagcast or make a contest for us Cags to guess what the music is. I would really like to know how right or wrong I am.

[Richlough]

Thank you for separating the CAGcast contests from the discussion thread .

It is now readable .

I like to read what other people think about the CAGcasts , without weeding through a bunch of prize grubbing troll posts .

Great show !

[zewone]

The show was great as usual. Wombat was especially snarky on the podcast and that led to some humor in the show. The manhunt 2 mail was hilarious as I probably would have had the same reaction.

One suggestion. You guys should either name the theme music from the show open at the end of the Cagcast or make a contest for us Cags to guess what the music is. I would really like to know how right or wrong I am.
I think it was The Goonies this episode.

[Thomas96]

I think they mean when a game is certified Gold. This happens when the game is finished.


I feel the same way. I like listening to you guys, but goddamn you guys always seem to be talking out your ass. At least read Kotaku/Joystiq's last two pages of updates so you kind of have an understanding on what's going on.

Also, Wombat disappointed again, by not recognizing the Chun Li capsule voice.

And the Jade Empire with slightly better graphics for $20-30 is a terrible idea. The 360 already does this by upconverting the game to high def. The minor additions of Rhino Man and Bo Staff+1 do not make the justification of releasing a 2 year old game on a new console.


So...one game makes a great library? :roll: The 360 has a great library, because it has a great library of games, not one. At this point and time, the 360 is the only new gen system that you can say that about.



Not in every case, but in this case, does the 360 have any RPGs? I think Mass Effect being that it's an RPG on a 360 that's short a couple RPGs is a game that completes the library and shows that the 360 has all genre's covered.

[FriskyTanuki]

The show was great as usual. Wombat was especially snarky on the podcast and that led to some humor in the show. The manhunt 2 mail was hilarious as I probably would have had the same reaction.

One suggestion. You guys should either name the theme music from the show open at the end of the Cagcast or make a contest for us Cags to guess what the music is. I would really like to know how right or wrong I am.
Cheapy doesn't choose music until after they're done recording the show, so there's no way that they can talk about it during the show.

[CheapyD]

Cheapy doesn't choose music until after they're done recording the show, so there's no way that they can talk about it during the show.

Exactly.
Plus, you can always find the name of the intro music (and other info) in the first post of the CAGcast thread.

[rywateska]

Exactly.
Plus, you can always find the name of the intro music (and other info) in the first post of the CAGcast thread.

For next week put in some serious Genesis era music...like a synthesized Lion King or something. I'm sick of the commercials from the past few episodes. Hahaha

[Shredso]

Crackdown please

[Billservo]

Wombat was in top form- pretty funny CAGcast!

[bubbahubba]

This is the first cast I've heard and (as a casual gamer, a few hours a week max) I'm kinda surprised how much I enjoyed your show. I registered just to say, "good job, keep it up" and I almost never register in forums so you're doing something right.

btw - I love the idea of adding a European (or South American, African, Austrailian or Middle Eastern for that matter) perspective on gaming to your show. I think the reason I listened in the first place was the international vibe so throwing in some input from other countries every once in a while would be great.