PlayStation 3 is down 2-to-1 to Nintendo's Wii

[hiccupleftovers]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-03-19-ps3-woes_N.htm

For Sony, that performance "is simply abysmal," says Newsweek's N'Gai Croal. "The PS3 is sucking wind right now. …. Price is a factor. Some of the negative buzz is a factor. Some of the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) is a factor. And the lack of a large number of triple-A software titles is a factor."
I like the use of abysmal and sucking wind in this sentence.

[dpatel]

I think that's more of a positive for the Wii, rather than a negative for the PS3. I can't think of a faster selling console than the Wii.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

It'd sell even faster if it were more readily available. Unless they've achieved that mythical perfect production rate. :lol:

[hiccupleftovers]

I think that's more of a positive for the Wii, rather than a negative for the PS3. I can't think of a faster selling console than the Wii.

You're right this is in favor of the Wii, but that's not really the point of the article. Coming into this gen, all eyes were on Sony and, at the time, the upcoming PS3 to do well. It was expected that it would sell gangbusters. Then came the admonishment of price. The public's perception of Sony copying Nintendo's innovation/technology. The terrible marketing and PR. Again, the price. Hoarders. Gunshots. And the list goes.

[daroga]

I think that's more of a positive for the Wii, rather than a negative for the PS3. I can't think of a faster selling console than the Wii.May I introduce you to the DS?

Seriously, though, the Wii's success is phenominal, and I'm with you, I can't think of a home console that it this kind of blazing, sustained sales. As someone who was really looking forward to the Wii before launch, I was amazed (and still am) at the general demand for this thing. Everyone and their grandmother (more literal than I even know I'm sure) is looking to get one.

It's a shame that Nintendo can't get more out there, though. THey're hurting themselves at this point just like Microsoft did last year.

[elwood731]

It's a shame that Nintendo can't get more out there, though. THey're hurting themselves at this point just like Microsoft did last year.
I agree with your other comments, but I'm not sure about this one. I think the Wii remains a hot item to even find. People, now, are more likely to snatch it up on first sight than if it were easily available in stores everywhere. I think Nintendo is helping to create demand, and that's a good thing in their case. The Wii is seriously lacking in software, and apparently will be for months with the exception of Super Paper Mario. If they can keep the positive buzz and demand going until Christmas, then they can start rolling out the good lineup of software. I think maybe the worst thing for Nintendo right now would be to flood the market and kill their own buzz.

MS was a different case since they really needed to get as many consoles into homes before their competitors launched.

[daroga]

I agree with your other comments, but I'm not sure about this one. I think the Wii remains a hot item to even find. People, now, are more likely to snatch it up on first sight than if it were easily available in stores everywhere. I think Nintendo is helping to create demand, and that's a good thing in their case. The Wii is seriously lacking in software, and apparently will be for months with the exception of Super Paper Mario. If they can keep the positive buzz and demand going until Christmas, then they can start rolling out the good lineup of software. I think maybe the worst thing for Nintendo right now would be to flood the market and kill their own buzz.

MS was a different case since they really needed to get as many consoles into homes before their competitors launched.That may be true, but there is a finite amount of time that people are willing to hunt, especailly non-gamers, for this system. The demand is obviously much higher than the supply, but I think at this point, 4 months after launch, you start seeing the hype fall apart into apathy.

I could be totally wrong, but that's just my impressions.

[MadFlava]

I hope the PS3 gets a price drop soon. Its too expensive for my wallet at the moment and all I would do with it is use it to play my PS2 collection on my HDTV.

[VanillaGorilla]

The DS is NOT a console, geez.

And since when did the Wii have a "large number of AAA software titles"?

It's funny, if the situation were reversed, with the PS3 stomping ass and the Wii lagging behind, everyone would be screaming "It's not over yet, give the Wii a chance! Just wait until Metroid comes out!" But with the way it is now, people are gladly pissing all over the PS3's grave, which they dug themselves.

[camoor]

For Sony, that performance "is simply abysmal," says Newsweek's N'Gai Croal. "The PS3 is sucking wind right now. …. Price is a factor. Some of the negative buzz is a factor. Some of the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) is a factor. And the lack of a large number of triple-A software titles is a factor."

The only factor he's missing is OReilly's.

[daroga]

The DS is NOT a console, geez.

And since when did the Wii have a "large number of AAA software titles"?

It's funny, if the situation were reversed, with the PS3 stomping ass and the Wii lagging behind, everyone would be screaming "It's not over yet, give the Wii a chance! Just wait until Metroid comes out!" But with the way it is now, people are gladly pissing all over the PS3's grave, which they dug themselves.That's happening right now.

"Just wait till Ratchet & Clank!"

"Just wait till FF13!"

"Just wait till MGS4!"
Anyone who's declaring the PS3 dead is out of their mind. Anyone who's saying that things look pretty grim at this early stage is thinking things through rationally.

[Sporadic]

Get Nintendo's PR on it.

THE WAR IS OVER! PS3 IS DEAD!


I'm lampooning Sony's retarded idea to declare themselves the winner of the high def war this early in the game

[Foolman]

The DS is NOT a console, geez.

And since when did the Wii have a "large number of AAA software titles"?

It's funny, if the situation were reversed, with the PS3 stomping ass and the Wii lagging behind, everyone would be screaming "It's not over yet, give the Wii a chance! Just wait until Metroid comes out!" But with the way it is now, people are gladly pissing all over the PS3's grave, which they dug themselves.
The DS is a portable AKA Handheld console.

And yeah, like Daroga says. Lots of people are saying "wait for..." for the PS3 too.

[wubb]

But if you went by total dollars 2 to 1 would still be enough to put the PS3 on top. Although I guess when Sony is losing money on each unit the goal is to obtain the largest user base, not bring in the most revenue.

[umcthomas]

There is another interesting snag here. Remember how Atari consoles tanked because the average consumer wasn't used to having to buy an upgraded appliance every few years? After the sticker shock of this reality wore off conumers were willing to pony up for the new system every decade.

Microsoft is (rumored?) to have the new upgraded 360 coming out less than 2 years after the first release. I, as an average consumer, find that hard to swallow. I won't be buying the upgraded 360. I also feel like I should wait to get my PS3 for a couple years to get that system after the upgrade that is "bound" to happen in 2 years. I hope M$ fails at this upgrade, but I fear they will help keep sales slow for sony as well.

T

[jkam]

This doesn't mean all that much really. It's still early and at this point these numbers games are getting old. My one main hope is that strong sales will at least give the Wii a chance to get new games built from the ground up that were designed solely for the Wii. No more ports please!

[jer7583]

Lets hope it stays this way and teaches Sony a lesson not to force a "cheap" blu ray player on people and to keep console prices reasonable..

[jollydwarf]

Given that PS3s can be easily obtained at retail just about everywhere and people are still camping on cold Sunday mornings for Wii*, I'm surprised it's even a 2:1 ratio.

*--It's the singular form, it's the plural. End of debate.

[dpatel]

You're right this is in favor of the Wii, but that's not really the point of the article. Coming into this gen, all eyes were on Sony and, at the time, the upcoming PS3 to do well. It was expected that it would sell gangbusters. Then came the admonishment of price. The public's perception of Sony copying Nintendo's innovation/technology. The terrible marketing and PR. Again, the price. Hoarders. Gunshots. And the list goes.

Right, the point of the article is to make the PS3 look like it's doing poorly. While it isn't doing great, any console compared to the Wii's launch would look pretty poor. Personally, I think the PS3 bashing is a bit much at times, and this article sorta backs that thought. Like I said, this is a positive for the Wii, not a negative for the PS3. Any console launch would look bad when stacked up against the Wii, so I would say this is great for Nintendo. For the PS3, it means they aren't doing amazingly well, but the article tries to make it seem as if matching the Wiis success is a bad thing at this point.

May I introduce you to the DS?

Seriously, though, the Wii's success is phenominal, and I'm with you, I can't think of a home console that it this kind of blazing, sustained sales. As someone who was really looking forward to the Wii before launch, I was amazed (and still am) at the general demand for this thing. Everyone and their grandmother (more literal than I even know I'm sure) is looking to get one.

It's a shame that Nintendo can't get more out there, though. THey're hurting themselves at this point just like Microsoft did last year.

True, the DS is really successful too. That was a bit more believable, seeing as how it was a handheld from Nintendo, who pretty much dominated the handheld market.

[hiccupleftovers]

Right, the point of the article is to make the PS3 look like it's doing poorly. While it isn't doing great, any console compared to the Wii's launch would look pretty poor. Personally, I think the PS3 bashing is a bit much at times, and this article sorta backs that thought. Like I said, this is a positive for the Wii, not a negative for the PS3. Any console launch would look bad when stacked up against the Wii, so I would say this is great for Nintendo. For the PS3, it means they aren't doing amazingly well, but the article tries to make it seem as if matching the Wiis success is a bad thing at this point.


The fact of the matter is that Sony was the frontrunner coming into this gen. All eyes were on Sony to deliver. Sony was the one expected to be in a dominating role, not to have surpluses and consoles sitting on shelves.

[dpatel]

The fact of the matter is that Sony was the frontrunner coming into this gen. All eyes were on Sony to deliver. Sony was the one expected to be in a dominating role, not to have surpluses and consoles sitting on shelves.

Not meeting unrealistic expectations isn't a bad thing though.

[dallow]

Only 2:1?

I don't know about that.

If that were true, gross sales would still be in favor of Sony as the PS3 costs more than twice the Wii.

[dpatel]

But the Wii sells for a profit, while the PS3, for a loss. And more consoles is better than having more revenue in the long run.

[dallow]

But the Wii sells for a profit, while the PS3, for a loss. And more consoles is better than having more revenue in the long run.

The more consoles out there, the better.
You're right.

[Apossum]

more important than shocking headlines, the Wii has a unbelievably weak line up for 2007. A few 1st party games, that's about it.

[dallow]

I can't imagine a real gamer surviving on the tablescraps of the Wii alone.

You have to get a second console, be it 360 or PS3 for your traditional gaming.

[dpatel]

more important than shocking headlines, the Wii has a unbelievably weak line up for 2007. A few 1st party games, that's about it.

Yea. I honestly don't see the Wii staying this way for too long. To me, I see GCN all over again, however, the initial launch benefited from a cheap price, a 'killer app', and offering something 'fresh and new'.

We already see plenty of multiplatform games being released solely on the 360/PS3, which is not good for the long run of the Wii. I really do want to see Nintendo back this gen, but I really feel the Wii isn't what is going to bring them back.

[daroga]

more important than shocking headlines, the Wii has a unbelievably weak line up for 2007. A few 1st party games, that's about it.That we know of. All signs point to Spring being a time of many announcments for the Wii. Whether or not all of those games are scheduled to hit in 07 will be another issue altogether. And when a "few 1st party games" is Super Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros., Metroid, and Mario Strikers Charged, I guess I'm not going to complain too loudly.

[hiccupleftovers]

more important than shocking headlines, the Wii has a unbelievably weak line up for 2007. A few 1st party games, that's about it.

E3 isn't even upon us and people are already writing off the Wii's lineup. :roll:

[Foolman]

Only 2:1?

I don't know about that.

If that were true, gross sales would still be in favor of Sony as the PS3 costs more than twice the Wii.
Wii: 3,618,712 (Europe not included.)
Ps3:1,816,398

Almost exactly 2 to 1 if you don't count Europe. I have no idea what the European numbers are, but I'd guess it would turn it into 2.3 to 1 ratio.

[SpazX]

I dunno how much to trust vgchart's numbers, but they have nearly 3:1 (2.8:1 to be exact) counting Europe (which isn't exactly fair anyway).

EDIT: I know it won't stay selling at this rate, but certainly by Christmas the Wii could be a few million ahead of the 360 (wait, when does Halo 3 come out? :-P)

[panasonic]

The DS is NOT a console, geez.

And since when did the Wii have a "large number of AAA software titles"?



:applause: number one reason i decided to get rid of my current wii and just wait on it for a long time until everything is out because nintendo is notorious with delays and i can only think of 3 wii games i would play in the future. Mario, Super Smash (not even going to use the wii mote for major fighting LMAO), and Star Fox 64 on Virtual Console. Super Paper Mario looks like a mess because it is no longer the paper maio i loved.

[Bretts31344]

There is another interesting snag here. Remember how Atari consoles tanked because the average consumer wasn't used to having to buy an upgraded appliance every few years? After the sticker shock of this reality wore off conumers were willing to pony up for the new system every decade.

Microsoft is (rumored?) to have the new upgraded 360 coming out less than 2 years after the first release. I, as an average consumer, find that hard to swallow. I won't be buying the upgraded 360. I also feel like I should wait to get my PS3 for a couple years to get that system after the upgrade that is "bound" to happen in 2 years. I hope M$ fails at this upgrade, but I fear they will help keep sales slow for sony as well.

T

Introducing Xbox 360 v2:
http://xbox360.qj.net/Game-Informer-confirms-black-and-HDMI-enabled-Xbox-360/pg/49/aid/86792

The editor says it is not an Aprils Fools Joke, but something still has me wondering.

[Foolman]

Introducing Xbox 360 v2:
http://xbox360.qj.net/Game-Informer-confirms-black-and-HDMI-enabled-Xbox-360/pg/49/aid/86792

The editor says it is not an Aprils Fools Joke, but something still has me wondering.
It's real.

The only huge difference is that it has HDMI. The 120 gig HDD (though overpriced) can be bought separately. Premiums aren't obsolete.

[dallow]

$480? No HDDVD?

Oh man.

[whoknows]

Doesn't mean the PS3 is doing bad. It has sold more than the 360 did at the same time last year.

[ricoraney]

The DS is NOT a console, geez.

And since when did the Wii have a "large number of AAA software titles"?

It's funny, if the situation were reversed, with the PS3 stomping ass and the Wii lagging behind, everyone would be screaming "It's not over yet, give the Wii a chance! Just wait until Metroid comes out!" But with the way it is now, people are gladly pissing all over the PS3's grave, which they dug themselves.
AWW! We got a wittle Sony Fanboy

[mykevermin]

That we know of. All signs point to Spring being a time of many announcments for the Wii. Whether or not all of those games are scheduled to hit in 07 will be another issue altogether. And when a "few 1st party games" is Super Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros., Metroid, and Mario Strikers Charged, I guess I'm not going to complain too loudly.

That's happening right now.

"Just wait till Ratchet & Clank!"

"Just wait till FF13!"

"Just wait till MGS4!"
Anyone who's declaring the PS3 dead is out of their mind. Anyone who's saying that things look pretty grim at this early stage is thinking things through rationally.

;)

The PS3 could be doing a hell of a lot better right now, but rather than get into that fight again, I'll just say this: bully for Nintendo.

[dallow]

Nice Myke.

And is it true about PS3 being ahead in sales of the 360 in the same time span?
If so, then wtf is everyone complaining about?

[dpatel]

Nice Myke.

And is it true about PS3 being ahead in sales of the 360 in the same time span?
If so, then wtf is everyone complaining about?

The wii is doing outstanding, but everyone likes to state that as a negative for the PS3, rather than a positive for the Wii.

[ricoraney]

Yea. I honestly don't see the Wii staying this way for too long. To me, I see GCN all over again, however, the initial launch benefited from a cheap price, a 'killer app', and offering something 'fresh and new'.

We already see plenty of multiplatform games being released solely on the 360/PS3, which is not good for the long run of the Wii. I really do want to see Nintendo back this gen, but I really feel the Wii isn't what is going to bring them back.
I disagree. It has been proven before with the PS2. Wasn't many of em' at launch, but because of the number of consoles that were out there; the developers saw dollar signs. It all comes down to the mighty dollar. Although you have some developers with great passion to make great games, there's always "The Big Boss" who doesn't care about what makes a great game, but cares more about how well a game will sale. There are many good games that are overlooked or overshadowed by a franchise game or a game with a bunch of hype behind it. I know I digressed a bit, but the bottom line is, if the Wii continues in this initial success, publishers will flock to make games for the system.

[dpatel]

I disagree. It has been proven before with the PS2. Wasn't many of em' at launch, but because of the number of consoles that were out there; the developers saw dollar signs. It all comes down to the mighty dollar. Although you have some developers with great passion to make great games, there's always "The Big Boss" who doesn't care about what makes a great game, but cares more about how well a game will sale. There are many good games that are overlooked or overshadowed by a franchise game or a game with a bunch of hype behind it. I know I digressed a bit, but the bottom line is, if the Wii continues in this initial success, publishers will flock to make games for the system.

Agreed. However, that's the thing. I don't see the Wii continuing this success for long. This might be a bold prediction, but, personally, I see the Wii ending up in 3rd by the end of this year. I could be way off, considering there are so many things that could change between now and the end of the year (E3 and TGS still to come).

[ricoraney]

Nice Myke.

And is it true about PS3 being ahead in sales of the 360 in the same time span?
If so, then wtf is everyone complaining about?
Please! Ha! Ha! Picture That! Pssh! Sorry Sony not this time. Oh, make no mistake about it. Sony will pick up the pace. I will own one too. But I think they will finish 3rd.

[whoknows]

Nice Myke.

And is it true about PS3 being ahead in sales of the 360 in the same time span?
If so, then wtf is everyone complaining about?
Its like...50k ahead.

And someone posted the link to the info in one of the threads in the PS3 forums...I wanna say it was FriskyTanuki but I can't say for sure. I'll look for it though.

[dpatel]

Its like...50k ahead.

And someone posted the link to the info in one of the threads in the PS3 forums...I wanna say it was FriskyTanuki but I can't say for sure. I'll look for it though.

Is that worldwide 360 vs. worldwide ps3? If so, that is pretty impressive, consindering the PS3 is only available in NA and Japan.

[SpazX]

Is that worldwide 360 vs. worldwide ps3? If so, that is pretty impressive, consindering the PS3 is only available in NA and Japan.

Going by vgcharts, that's just in America. Including Japan the PS3 is doing about 650k better than 360 at the same point (but of course the Japanese hate the 360, so...)

Like most people are saying it's mostly positive for the Wii rather than negative for the PS3. It took over a year for the GC to sell as many consoles as the Wii has so far in Japan and about 9 months to sell as many as the Wii has sold in the US.

[jer7583]

I'm sure if Microsoft had the kind of stock Sony has been shipping to retailers they would have sold much more at this point last year. From my experience working retail at that time, this is when 360s just started to finally become reasonably available.

[daroga]

I'm sure if Microsoft had the kind of stock Sony has been shipping to retailers they would have sold much more at this point last year. From my experience working retail at that time, this is when 360s just started to finally become reasonably available.Exacly. Considering the supply difference between the 360 in Q1 06 and the PS3 in Q1 07, Sony should be way out ahead.

myke: not exactly sure what you meant to say my gluing those 2 quotes of mine together. Never meant to say that the Wii had 40,000 killer apps right now, or that the system wasn't waiting for its big games to hit. Neither system has a really strong lineup right now because they both just launched 4 months ago. The difference is that while the Wii is flying off the shelves, the PS3 is idling a bit in sales.

What all is hitting for the PS3 in 07 that makes that lineup far superior to the Wii's for 07? (I'm asking because I don't follow the PS3 real closely and really am curious.)

[GuilewasNK]

This what happens when yes men at Sony don't speak up about the cost, lack of rumble feature, and other things.

[mykevermin]

myke: not exactly sure what you meant to say my gluing those 2 quotes of mine together.

The first quote (your second post) was a "just you wait until you see what's coming out on the Wii!" post, while the second quote, which you posted first, was pointing out how silly it is of Sony loyalists to say "aw, man, just you wait until game X comes out on PS3!" I thought it was kinda funny; don't take it personally.

[daroga]

The first quote (your second post) was a "just you wait until you see what's coming out on the Wii!" post, while the second quote, which you posted first, was pointing out how silly it is of Sony loyalists to say "aw, man, just you wait until game X comes out on PS3!" I thought it was kinda funny; don't take it personally.Ah, ok. Didn't take it personally, don't worry. ;)

Just to be clear, I never critcized anyone for saying "Look what's coming to the PS3!" That would be silly, because as video game players were always reading up on what's in the pipe and what new release will hit when. It's part of the fun. :) What I said was silly was people not admitting that things don't look real hot for the PS3 at the moment with the understanding that things can turn around, and likely will get healthier with a few changes as the system matures--more software, price drop, etc.

In the end I think we're going to see a 20/40/40 split this generation when comparing total console sales to each platform's total sales. I think Microsoft and Nintendo will end up about even, with Sony having about 20% of the marketplace, far better than MS or Nintendo did last gen (~25 million each out of roughly 165 million total game systems sold). However, I dare say the Wii's attach rate will be lower than MS or Nintendo. I'm sure some systems sold with Wii Sports to non gamers will be lucky to see a single piece of software sold after the fact. One of the reasons Nintendo didn't subsidize its hardware, I'm sure. Someone dig up this post in like 2011 and tell me if I was right or not. ;)

[Zen Davis]

Here is how I think everything will rundown. Nintendo will end up as everyone's secondary console, at least for the hardcore market. This is what everyone intially thought would happen and it is what's happening, mainly alongside the Xbox 360.

However, as Blu-Ray sales grow and more films make their HD debut on Blu-Ray, consumers will start to shift towards the PS3 as their HD player of choice. When Sony touts these numbers, even if it was of consumers who only bought the system to view movies, developers will start to shift towards the console. Once that happens, the console will start to pull ahead of the 360, which is having problems getting over its own image, especially once Home, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Gran Turismo 5, and Warhawk start to land. The fact is that no one here bothers to do any research and figure out that a number of first-party Sony development studios still haven't said anything regarding a PS3 release. Sony Bend, SCE San Diego Studio, SCE Santa Monica Studio, Sony Online Entertainment, Zipper Interactive, SCE Japan Studio, Team ICO, SCE Studio Cambridge, and SCE Korea haven't announced anything for the PS3 yet. Wait until E3.

On the other hand, since the Wii is such a simple system to develop for, compared to the HD systems, I think we'll be seeing a shitload of surprises come E3. All the publishers, like most of the public, thought that the Playstation 3 was going to sell like gangbusters and had pretty much dismissed the Wii. I suspect that once publishers saw that the Wii was actually a hit, they shifted a ton of resources back around January/February to get development rolling on the system. A large number of these games will make their debut at E3, in about a couple of months, and then the landscape of 2007 is really going to be laid out for the Wii.

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[dpatel]

I'm sure if Microsoft had the kind of stock Sony has been shipping to retailers they would have sold much more at this point last year. From my experience working retail at that time, this is when 360s just started to finally become reasonably available.

Most likely, but we can't know for sure how much MS would've sold had the 360 been as readily available as the PS3. We'll have a better idea once the PS3 has been out a full year, and we can compare it to the 360s first year. For now, we could say that Sony is only tied with MS because of supply issues, but we don't know to what degree that would be correct.

If, by the end of the year, the PS3 is pretty far from reaching 10 million, then I would see why people would be concerned about the PS3s future, but, for now, I just don't see the justification.

[ryanbph]

Most likely, but we can't know for sure how much MS would've sold had the 360 been as readily available as the PS3. We'll have a better idea once the PS3 has been out a full year, and we can compare it to the 360s first year. For now, we could say that Sony is only tied with MS because of supply issues, but we don't know to what degree that would be correct.



i understand what you are saying about being tied, and sort of agree but imo that isn't how the developers will look at it. They will see the 10 or so million xbox 360 and the 4 - 5 million wii (not sure where it is at now, but I am fairly sure i remeber it being at least at 4mill) and then look at the ps3 and being around 2mill total that they will stop making 3rd party games exclusive to the ps3. In the end that will really hurt sony imo. Yes they have a decent stable of first party games, but imo none are really at the system seller level of a mario game or halo.

[Zoglog]

Wii sells well because it attracts non-gamers and people who jump on hype bandwagons. It's a simple selling fact. These people will not be buying more than 3 games in the lifetime of the console and the trend will edge off.

In the end Nintendo will make a boatload off the console and all will be good for them. So sick of this stupid Fanboy competition shit that is constantly happening all around. Somehow people think that consoles have to be mutually exclusive from each other.

[Foolman]

Wii sells well because it attracts non-gamers and people who jump on hype bandwagons. It's a simple selling fact. These people will not be buying more than 3 games in the lifetime of the console and the trend will edge off.

Of course you have something to base this off of, right?

[dpatel]

i understand what you are saying about being tied, and sort of agree but imo that isn't how the developers will look at it. They will see the 10 or so million xbox 360 and the 4 - 5 million wii (not sure where it is at now, but I am fairly sure i remeber it being at least at 4mill) and then look at the ps3 and being around 2mill total that they will stop making 3rd party games exclusive to the ps3. In the end that will really hurt sony imo. Yes they have a decent stable of first party games, but imo none are really at the system seller level of a mario game or halo.

oh yea, of course people aren't going to judge the PS3 and Wii by what the 360 was at last year. I was just pointing out why saying the PS3 launch was 'dismal', like the article was doing, was a bit silly. But yes, I agree that the later launch means they have to work much harder.

[daroga]

Of course you have something to base this off of, right?Of course he doesn't have anything to back it up. It's Zoggy. ;)

But he makes a valid point. We can assume that just because Nintendo has attracted non-gamers to the Wii doesn't mean they'll sudenly be gaming junkies. I don't know too many non-gamers that got a DS and Brain Age that are hammering people in Metroid Prime Hunters and Mario Kart.

But, of course, Nintendo's not going to just relase Wii Sports and Wii Play and call it quits for that crowd. They'll be pumping out software to appeal to them, and getting more advertising out there to reach these people where they are (TV ads, emails to their console if its online, etc.)

Even so, there will be a lot of people who buy a Wii for Wii Sports and pretty much call it a day.

[bobthecat23]

well idk wat ppl are playing on the wii

[SpazX]

well idk wat ppl are playing on the wii
Well right now I'm playing Wii Play, NFS:Carbon, Excite Truck, and Sonic. Well, honestly right now I'm playing Super Mario Sunshine and I just got Fire Emblem, but those are the games I'm currently working on.

Consider it known.

Btw, you have too many letters in the word "playing." You could've easily shortened that to "play" and taken out the "are" and kept within your 4-letter word limit.

[whoknows]

I'm sure if Microsoft had the kind of stock Sony has been shipping to retailers they would have sold much more at this point last year. From my experience working retail at that time, this is when 360s just started to finally become reasonably available.
You don't think "It's hard to find so I got to have it" factor played into that at all? Or the sell it on ebay factor?

Somehow I don't think 360's would have been flying off the shelves if you could have just casually walked into a store and bought one.

And it's no ones fault but MS's that they couldn't keep up with demand.

[captmurphy]

I honestly think this is more of a testament to the (undeserved?!) success of Wii than the "failing" of the PS3. Despite all of its problems, the Playstation 3 is not just going to go away... it is and will continue to be a great platform.

[trq]

Eh. I don't know that talking numbers like this really means much. If the numbers were reversed, yes, Sony would be happier, but it's not like Nintendo would be in much of a tight spot at all.

The one thing I will say, though, is about the ’07 lineups: neither one is top-notch, but the issue of what "direction" they're heading. It's obvious most devs didn't expect the Wii to do this well, so they just don't have anything prepared ... yet. Sony "losing" exclusives left and right, however, shows that devs OVERestimated how well it would do, and that's being rectified, too ... which isn't a good thing for Sony. The lineups might currently be comparable, but they indicate different things for the future.