Top 5 Most Overrated Figures in the VG Industry

[FriskyTanuki]

http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-top-five-most-overrated-industry/20070321142209990001

For the lazy, here's the list:

5. Koji Igarashi (http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-top-five-most-overrated-industry/20070321142209990001)(Castlevania)
4. David Jaffe (http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-top-five-most-overrated-industry/20070321144409990001) (God of War)
3. Hideo Kojima (http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-top-five-most-overrated-industry/20070321144809990001)(Metal Gear series)
2. Shigeru Miyamoto (http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-top-five-most-overrated-industry/20070321145009990001)(Mario, Zelda)
1. Reggie Fils-Aime (http://www.gamedaily.com/canvases/gd/_a/feature-top-five-most-overrated-industry/20070321145109990001)(kicking ass and taking names)

I do largely agree with the list and see why these guys are on there.

Edit: If you don't agree with the list, create your own.

[Richlough]

Where's bungie ?

[danito]

I know that Shigeru isn't creating these games alone, but no one said he was. He truly has done a lot for the industry. I have a feeling Gamedaily will be eating these words.

[GF_Eric]

Needs more Itagaki.

[judyjudyjudy]

The list is a joke, especially with Miyamoto at #2. I get why someone would put Reggie, but his job is PR, so big surprise. It's just a controversial article to get people to visit GameDaily.

[RedvsBlue]

I can definetly agree with Reggie and David Jaffe. The others? I dunno.

[FriskyTanuki]

The list is a joke, especially with Miyamoto at #2. I get why someone would put Reggie, but his job is PR, so big surprise. It's just a controversial article to get people to visit GameDaily.
The point of having him on there is that he's hardly ever doing PR stuff for his games anymore, but Nintendo's putting him out there more as a PR person for Nintendo (his GDC keynote for example) where he doesn't really belong.

[hiccupleftovers]

Retarded list. Terrible list. Pathetic list. If they wanted Overrated they could have thrown someone to the wolves like American McGee, but Miyamoto? Kojima? Garbage.

[FriskyTanuki]

Retarded list. Terrible list. Pathetic list. If they wanted Overrated they could have thrown someone to the wolves like American McGee, but Miyamoto? Kojima? Garbage.
American McGee is on the list in the honorable mentions.

[judyjudyjudy]

The point of having him on there is that he's hardly ever doing PR stuff for his games anymore, but Nintendo's putting him out there more as a PR person for Nintendo (his GDC keynote for example) where he doesn't really belong.How does that make him overrated? People respect him for what he's accomplished, and he's a likable figure, so they make him more visible. And the writer says "Even better, come up with new IPs." Like Pikmin never happened.

[MaskedPlague]

I heard somewhere Gears of War is overrated. Why isn't that on the list?

[Kapwanil]

Igarashi...I'm iffy on that one. I understand that people want him to take Castlevania further and instill new ideas and structure, particularly within the 3D realm, but I think that if it's going to be 3D it really has to deliver on a lot more fronts and take more work than his two previous 3D entries (Lament of Innocence, Curse of Darkness).

Personally, I felt those two games had quite the battle system once you get the hang of it. Some of the best gameplay moments come from the final areas where knowing how to chain attacks together and think on the fly involved a lot more thinking on-the-spot than most other 3D action titles. The problems with the 3D entries, sadly, mostly revolved around level structure and environments. In LoI it was a severe pain to go across the entire map just because you can now reach that secret area. At worst it took upwards of 15 minutes just to backtrack to do a single thing. It also didn't help that many of the environments, while interesting, were reused so often that it was glaring when you stumbled upon a room that wasn't used four to six times prior.

And considering his recent speech about 2D gaming and the like, it seems he isn't too huge on pure-3D games at the moment. I wouldn't necessarily blame him, particularly because I find 2D games to have plenty left to offer if done well, but if he wants to hit a 3D Castlevania again he really should look into making most of the environments unique and making the castle/areas more accessible. But, to be fair, I'm thinking from a graphics POV at the moment and I'm not thinking outside of the box in comparison to the more recent Castlevania games, 2D or 3D be damned.

[Apossum]

Miyamoto? I'm not the biggest fan, but that's just plain idiotic.

[hiccupleftovers]

How does that make him overrated? People respect him for what he's accomplished, and he's a likable figure, so they make him more visible. And the writer says "Even better, come up with new IPs." Like Pikmin never happened.

Pikmin
Golden Sun
Advance Wars
Brain Age(s)

just to name some.

[JEKKI]

you can't overrate Kojima!!!!!

Kojima is the man!!!

everybody wants to be Kojima!

I want to be Kojima!!

I saw him and I was like "yo Kojima, you're the man, but I wanna be the man too"

and he's like "what?!?! no way! You're just a kid!!"

and I was like damn!! I jus got Kownedjima'd

[afedock]

This list is retarded..Reggie is the only one on there who I can agree with, as he doesn't make games. Jaffe has made good games, but he hasn't proven himself to be on the same level of the other 3 guys, who should be on a list of the most respected video game figures.

[mykevermin]

Needs more Itagaki.

The difference between him and the others on the list is that those on the list are oftentimes considered part of "the untouchables" of gaming (save for Iga's insistence on 3D Castlevanias). Itagaki, OTOH, gets a lot of criticism that's well deserved. Some of the reactions on this thread (the incredulity that Miyamoto *dare* be considered on this list) only serves to reinforce precisely why he's on there.

Otherwise, I'd agree with you: Ninja Gaiden is amazing, but Dead or Alive is a great-looking average game, while DoA: Hooters Edition is just mindless boner material without substance. His batting average is substandard given the prominence of his name in the industry, that's for sure.

[Strell]

Why not have just gone full ass-speed and included Sid Meier and Wil Wright on there?

Fuck, let's add on Steve Purcell, Nolan Bushnell, Ron Gilbert, and Tim Shaefer, just to really prove a point.

[FriskyTanuki]

How does that make him overrated? People respect him for what he's accomplished, and he's a likable figure, so they make him more visible. And the writer says "Even better, come up with new IPs." Like Pikmin never happened.
Because he gets nearly the same treatment as Reggie does at these PR events and keynotes. Pikmin's six years old now and has become a Nintendo series since then. The last thing I recall hearing that he created was Wii Sports and he's had a diminshing role in game development over the years. i hear about him being attached to project more often than I hear of stuff that he's created.

Pikmin
Golden Sun
Advance Wars
Brain Age(s)

just to name some.
Golden Sun is Camelot, Advance Wars is from somebody else, and Brain Age is from SatoruIwata.

[trq]

I'm reminded of that kid who always sits in the front of freshman comp and blathers on about how "Shakespeare is overrated" and "Hemmingway sucks," ad nauseam, confusing his contrarianism for independent thought.

Reggie and Jaffe? Maybe. Kojima and Miyamoto? Nuh-uh. And I can't believe that Koga is highly regarded enough to be "overrated."

[judyjudyjudy]

Because he gets nearly the same treatment as Reggie does at these PR events and keynotes. Pikmin's six years old now and has become a Nintendo series since then. The last thing I recall hearing that he created was Wii Sports and he's had a diminshing role in game development over the years. i hear about him being attached to project more often than I hear of stuff that he's created.Yeah, but that's why I get why Reggie would be on a list like this; he's never been a game developer and is just a face for the company. How does Miyamoto not deserve the praise he gets? All the projects he's contributed in any way have been well-received. (Didn't he come up ith Nintendogs, also?) I still don't see how he is "overrated industry people".

[Strell]

I'm not even sure Jaffe is overrated. I mean his wiki describes him as this:

"When he attended high school in Mountain Brook,AL, he was in the 'Punk' clique."

'Kay. I don't think you can be taken all that seriously when that kinda shit is goin' down.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I cant believe Peter Molyneaux isnt there. Though I suppose over-promising is slightly different than overrated.

[Apossum]

Maybe Miyamoto's role in the industry right now is overrated. I could back that argument.

but the guy made Super Mario Bros. We wouldn't be playing anything without that game. there's no way in hell he could be overrated in general. if he is, then everyone else is.

Needs more Itagaki.

Definitely not. the DoAX games are pretty much the joke of the industry and the 2nd one deserves every last bit of criticism it gets, imo (though I think the first one was pretty underrated.) Everybody knows this and people are pretty divided when it comes to Team Ninja games. the only game they've made that most people can agree to call a masterpiece is Ninja Gaiden.

[FriskyTanuki]

Yeah, but that's why I get why Reggie would be on a list like this; he's never been a game developer and is just a face for the company. How does Miyamoto not deserve the praise he gets? All the projects he's contributed in any way have been well-received. (Didn't he come up ith Nintendogs, also?) I still don't see how he is "overrated industry people".
I never said that he doesn't deserve the praise he gets as a creator for creating some of the greatest franchises in the history of the industry, but lately all he's really worked on were mostly new installments to those franchises. He's not up there for being an overrated legend, but mostly for the "what new stuff have you done for me lately" kind of thing. It's the extra layer of praise that's Reggie-like that puts him up there. As for Nintendogs, I'm not sure who's ideas that was. Wikipedia says he's responsible for it, but if that's true it kind of adds to his overrated as all we've seen of that lately are expansion pack-type releases.

Edit: Did you read the article? It mostly explains that right in there.

[Strell]

I just thought of something.

Why isn't George Lucas on this list?

Yeah. Explain that, fuckers.

[judyjudyjudy]

Maybe Miyamoto's role in the industry right now is overrated. I could back that argument.Ah, that would make more sense... but I still wouldn't agree with it :)

[Graystone]

This list is garbage.

[trq]

I never said that he doesn't deserve the praise he gets as a creator for creating some of the greatest franchises in the history of the industry, but lately all he's really worked on were mostly new installments to those franchises. He's not up there for being an overrated legend, but mostly for the "what new stuff have you done for me lately" kind of thing. It's the extra layer of praise that's Reggie-like that puts him up there. As for Nintendogs, I'm not sure who's ideas that was. Wikipedia says he's responsible for it, but if that's true it kind of adds to his overrated as all we've seen of that lately are expansion pack-type releases.

Edit: Did you read the article? It mostly explains that right in there.

See, that's exactly where I think the critique is off base: does it really even matter what he's done lately? Would anyone say Muhammad Ali is overrated as a boxer because he hasn't fought in decades, but he sure makes a lot of public appearances? Jordan wasn't as good a basketball player as everyone thinks because he's not still dominating the courts, but he did make all those Hanes commercials? Whatever one thinks of Miyamoto, it just doesn't follow.

[judyjudyjudy]

Edit: Did you read the article? It mostly explains that right in there.You're talking about this one, right?
#2 - Shigeru Miyamoto
Nintendo fan boys (and girls) go gaga over everything "Shiggy" says, but come on. He doesn't create games by himself. Sometimes, he joins teams and, whether he intends to or not, receives all of the credit. He earned his place among the industry elite, thanks to his early contributions, but please add new (and memorable) characters to the Mario universe. Even better, come up with new IPs. Introduce us to new worlds and faces instead of falling back on the same overused franchises. In addition, cut back on the forced appearances. We feel uncomfortable watching you conducting imaginary orchestras and swinging the Master Sword to make gamers cry with joy.

Don't get us wrong. We love Miyamoto, and we'll bludgeon anyone that bashes Wind Waker, but we'd rather see him as an influential, cultural icon instead of Nintendo's PR puppet.It still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see how he's an overrated figure in the industry, even just currently. I guess I really don't agree with the statement that he doesn't contribute to new IPs and that he's only a PR figure (and I like that he's a PR figure, he's pretty likable). I mean, how much more does he need to contribute to gaming to not be overrated?

Edited to add: I forgot to say, that yes, I did read the article :P

[hiccupleftovers]

Golden Sun is Camelot, Advance Wars is from somebody else, and Brain Age is from SatoruIwata.

I wasn't talking about who developed them, but that Nintendo has created new licenses.

Why not have just gone full ass-speed and included Sid Meier and Wil Wright on there?

Fuck, let's add on Steve Purcell, Nolan Bushnell, Ron Gilbert, and Tim Shaefer, just to really prove a point.

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: :applause::applause::applause::applause: This was my initial reaction to post saying why weren't these guys included for such a list, but I decided it would be better to mention a guy that could have gone either or.

I cant believe Peter Molyneaux isnt there. Though I suppose over-promising is slightly different than overrated.

Him and Lorne Lanning (but he's not in gaming anymore) deserve to be on there.

[bruin]

Miyamoto being on the list is absolutely idiotic. Without him the game industry as we know it would not exist.

[FriskyTanuki]

You're talking about this one, right?
It still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see how he's an overrated figure in the industry, even just currently. I guess I really don't agree with the statement that he doesn't contribute to new IPs and that he's only a PR figure (and I like that he's a PR figure, he's pretty likable). I mean, how much more does he need to contribute to gaming to not be overrated?

Edited to add: I forgot to say, that yes, I did read the article :P
I'm not sure what else can be said that it's not about what he's done for the industry, but what's he's done lately that isn't really up to the same level of what he did before. He still has a lot of potential to make some great new IPs, but he generally has stuck to what's made him famous.

I wasn't talking about who developed them, but that Nintendo has created new licenses.
We were refering to Shigeru Miyamoto, not Nintendo itself.

[Surferflames]

It's just a controversial article to get people to visit GameDaily.

Definately the purpose. While some of those are accurate, the majority are just big names thrown in so people will recognize them.

Sorry gamedaily, maybe when your entire site doesn't redirect me through videogames.aol.com I might read an article or two.

[Brak]

Where's Penny-Arcade? Their opinions suck.

[hiccupleftovers]

We were refering to Shigeru Miyamoto, not Nintendo itself.

He's more in upper management now so he can't really count regardless. He came out with Pikmin and that was fantastic. The guy's a living legend. I don't see how you can lump him in onto a list of the most overrated anything in gaming. Just look at his track record. Mario, Zelda, Starfox, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, didn't he also do Wave Race?, F-Zero? (can't remember if it was just producer or director/producer), etc.

[RedvsBlue]

No better way to get the 'Tendo fanboys in an uproar than to put Miyamoto and Reggie on a list of overrated industy figures.

[Roufuss]

1) Gabe Newell

Hell, that is my 1 - 5.

[dallow]

This list is very "So what have you done for me lately?"

Except for Reggie, he's a joke.

[Puffa469]

The list is retarded. Reggie is a PR guy, not a developer.


And Shigeru Miyamoto is the reason Gamedaily has a vg industry to complain about.

[daroga]

This list is very "So what have you done for me lately?"

Except for Reggie, he's a joke.Exactly. Miyamoto's contributions to gaming would be difficult to overstate. If he's been overused in PR that really Nintendo's fault, not his.

I understand someone complaining that we've been playing the same Castlevania since SotN, but since the original? What? Just because you fight dracula at the end doesn't make it the same game. There's not a whole lot of complaint out there that Mario's just rescuing the princess, Master Chief is just blasting the covenant, or that you're just trying to get to the finish line in Gran Turismo. Why bash one game design / mechanic for similar goals and not all of them?

Reggie's kinda fun, but I always have been confused about his stature among gamers. Public speaking is one of the things I do for a living. He's got an impressive stage presence, but his speaking style isn't all that fluid or amazing. I do, however, get the sense that he's shaking things up at NoA in a decent way, but that's all speculation since it would be behind closed doors.

[rodeojones903]

Reggie Fils-Aime is the only one I agree with.

[GuilewasNK]

That list is bullshit. Plain and simple.

These guys were/are overrated...

Peter Molyneaux
Trip Hawkins
David Perry
Yu Suzuki
Ken Kutaragi

[demonlord6696]

this list is moronic.

[GuilewasNK]

this list is moronic.

Calling that list moronic is an insult to morons.

That list might be the most absurd thing I have read in the 3 1/2 years I have been on CAG and that is saying something.

Saying Miyamoto is overrated in the video game industry is like saying Jesus is overrated in Christianity.

Of course, April Fool's day is around the corner and that is the only way they could play this off without looking like fools themselves.

[CaseyRyback]

That list is bullshit. Plain and simple.

These guys were/are overrated...

Peter Molyneaux
Trip Hawkins
David Perry
Yu Suzuki
Ken Kutaragi

I think your list is worse. You have the founder of the biggest third party (3D0 may have sucked, but I can't fault the guy for wanting a piece of the console market and no one ever gives this guy any dap); the person who built sony's gaming empire; and in Yu Suzuki someone who made 3D fighters a staple, basically sold the Saturn in Japan and has been apart of the company that has come up with some of the greatest arcade games of all time.

And Miyamoto is probably on their list more for his blunders than his successes. Go back and look at what he has done over the past ten years. Shit like the gamecube controller is why he is on this list.

[Puffa469]

I emailed this link to a friend and he came back with the best analogy to Miyamoto being on this list.

"The Beatles havent done anything in 30 years and no one goes around calling them overrated."

[Blitz]

I think your list is worse. You have the founder of the biggest third party (3D0 may have sucked, but I can't fault the guy for wanting a piece of the console market and no one ever gives this guy any dap); the person who built sony's gaming empire; and in Yu Suzuki someone who made 3D fighters a staple, basically sold the Saturn in Japan and has been apart of the company that has come up with some of the greatest arcade games of all time.

And Miyamoto is probably on their list more for his blunders than his successes. Go back and look at what he has done over the past ten years. Shit like the gamecube controller is why he is on this list.

What was so wrong with the GC controller? It's better than the POS M$ brought out. Hell you needed to lift weights just to be able to play a game.

[terribledeli]

The article assumes Nintendo has relegated Miyamoto to the position as a "PR Puppet" as the article puts it.

I don't know about the rest of everyone else, but after 20+ years of effectively building a company (within its gaming realms), and perhaps rebuilding an industry...I'd love some time off. I assume Nintendo pays him to stand around on stage for two hours, appear in a Mega 64 video, and sign autographs. Sounds like a pretty sweet gig to me, "overrated" or not. And no one can argue the man doesn't deserves a break.

[jer7583]

I fail to see what "point" this article accomplishes except for getting gamedaily hits by pissing people off. Real classy tactic.

Hideo Kojima should be prime on that list, btw.

Reggie has done nothing but good for Nintendo, and Miyamoto as well could never be overrated. The gamecube controller I think was rather limited, because Nintendo was attempting to make the gamecube more port accessible, so they aped the PS2 controller design, while still wanting to break out of that mold, and neither was very well accomplished. (As an aside, can you imagine if the Wii controller had come out in 2002 with the gamecube what kind of position Nintendo would be in right now?)

I really like how Jaffe speaks his mind about the industry, but he is a bit overrated, because he's only done a few games. Koji Igarashi deserves respect for sticking with 2D games in a 3D world.

[Strell]

Koji Igarashi deserves respect for sticking with 2D games in a 3D world.

Mmmm. For a long time he was almost completely anti-2D. Primarily in the last generation, when he wanted to take Castlevania into 3D, and it never sold/played as well as the GBA/DS counterparts.

I think maybe half of him deserves to be on the list. He's only really recently gotten off his high horse about 2D being a dead art.

[camoor]

"The Beatles havent done anything in 30 years and no one goes around calling them overrated."

I do.

[camoor]

1) Gabe Newell

Hell, that is my 1 - 5.

I think he could eat 1 through 5 :lol:

I agree, that guy and Molineux.

[Strell]

I do.

The Beatles are one of the greatest bands ever.

That is exactly how they should be rated.

Discussion on this tangent is over.

[furyk]

I agree with Reggie and Kojima being on the list, but that's about it. To echo others, Itagaki and American McGee should be on that list. I also think that Cliffy B is way overrated. UT has been shown to be pretty stale over the years, every effort he's made on console has been lame sans Gears, and Brother in Arms was a pretty weak effort.

[camoor]

The Beatles are one of the greatest bands ever.

That is exactly how they should be rated.

Discussion on this tangent is over.

They were OK, and pre-Oko Lennon was a cool dude, but still overrated man. Sorry.

[Strell]

They were OK, and pre-Oko Lennon was a cool dude, but still overrated man. Sorry.

You can't be overrated if you are being rated exactly as you ought to be rated.

I'm not really trying to carry on this argument from a jerk standpoint. I'm just sayin'. :p

[Skylander7]

I do. Give me a break.. so many bands have ripped off the Beatles that it's ridiculous. Some of the biggest guitarists of all time have either taken Harrison's riffs from it for their own music or covered it. Hell, alot of the White Album for that matter has been copied... I'm not even going to get into Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, etc.

Or, look at a band like Oasis. They've sold millions of records, and blatantly feed off of the Beatle's catalog.

There's a difference between influental and overrated. Love them or hate them, The Beatles layed alot of the foundation for today's music in general (not just rock).

Another comparison: Radiohead; influental.... Coldplay; ripoff

I disagree alot with the list, but could care less. The website sounds like it seeks to gain readership through controversy. Funny how none of the Square/Enix people are on that list. Alot of these people look like bufoons when they're running their mouths in the videogame media, as if they seek a level of legitimacy on the level of the movie industry. Some are actually funny (like Itagaki.. the guy is so obsessed with having a pseudo-American image, it's laughable).

[dallow]

Love me some Beatles, but strongly prefer Kinks of the same era.

Also of that time prefer Beach Boys and Love.

The Beatles aren't my favorites, but still strong songwriting in their later years, and still a tier 1 group.

Oasis don't deny that they are Beatles fanatics. They wanted to be them. And then became them for a while.
Love those brothers. Funniest guys in music.

[Javery]

This list is just a compilation of the most popular game makers and Reggie. Whenever someone or something gets popular it simultaneously becomes overrated. Music, movies, books, etc. It's all the same. Radiohead? Star Wars? Harry Potter? It's all overrated because so many people like them!

[Puffa469]

This list is just a compilation of the most popular game makers and Reggie. Whenever someone or something gets popular it simultaneously becomes overrated. Music, movies, books, etc. It's all the same. Radiohead? Star Wars? Harry Potter? It's all overrated because so many people like them!


Thats exactly it. People that think theyre 'cool' hate something once it reaches critical mass. If everyone likes it, it must suck. If its something you used to like, and now everyone else likes it too, that thing is overrated, or if 'its' a 'them', then they sold out.

If you do something you love, and then begin to make money doing it, your a sellout. :roll:

[SpreadTheWord]

This list is just a compilation of the most popular game makers and Reggie. Whenever someone or something gets popular it simultaneously becomes overrated. Music, movies, books, etc. It's all the same. Radiohead? Star Wars? Harry Potter? It's all overrated because so many people like them!
Let me guess their list of overrated games that I'm sure they'll come out with soon.

5. GTA 3
4. Gears of War
3. The Sims
2. God of War
1. Halo 2

Hmm that wouldn't be enough Nintendo bashing... Switch a few of those for Super Mario Bros. 3 and a Zelda game.

[camoor]

Give me a break.. so many bands have ripped off the Beatles that it's ridiculous. Some of the biggest guitarists of all time have either taken Harrison's riffs from it for their own music or covered it. Hell, alot of the White Album for that matter has been copied... I'm not even going to get into Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, etc.

Or, look at a band like Oasis. They've sold millions of records, and blatantly feed off of the Beatle's catalog.

There's a difference between influental and overrated. Love them or hate them, The Beatles layed alot of the foundation for today's music in general (not just rock).

Another comparison: Radiohead; influental.... Coldplay; ripoff

Oasis was also massively overrated (are they still around?) The Beatles just sound like a bunch of whacked-out dudes to me. They went from boy band to singing about some girl is named LSD, a guitar that cries, and enjoyment of heated weaponry - who cares??

You're right on with the Radiohead/Coldplay thing though.

The Beatles is just one of those things I'll never understand the popularity of. Ditto for Final Fantasy and Christianity.

[Roufuss]

I think he could eat 1 through 5 :lol:

I agree, that guy and Molineux.

I'm glad someone else agrees with me on Newell.

The man has only made one series, essentially the same game twice, and his concept of "episodic gaming" is a laughable failure, at best. It's taking him a year to get out Half Life 2 Episode 2, and we won't even count how many delays Episode 1 got.

Yes, Half Life and Half Life 2 were good games, but they are largely overrated and Gabe Newell largely overrates himself - the man constantly bitches about EVERYTHING in the industry like he is somehow important because he's only ever made one FPS.

Shit, the story in Half Life barely makes sense these days.

[Strell]

boy band

You should just stop right there.

And anyone reading your post should just stop right there.

There's nothing more to see.

[GuilewasNK]

I think your list is worse. You have the founder of the biggest third party (3D0 may have sucked, but I can't fault the guy for wanting a piece of the console market and no one ever gives this guy any dap); the person who built sony's gaming empire; and in Yu Suzuki someone who made 3D fighters a staple, basically sold the Saturn in Japan and has been apart of the company that has come up with some of the greatest arcade games of all time.

And Miyamoto is probably on their list more for his blunders than his successes. Go back and look at what he has done over the past ten years. Shit like the gamecube controller is why he is on this list.

Yu Suzuki.

He is considered a supreme talent by hardcore fans and has other franchises besides VF, but he hasn't done anything to keep Sega from losing its relevance in the market. I have seen several people mention him in the same breath as Miyamoto and it isn't even close. Virtua Fighter is his only real AAA franchise and as great as it is he has failed to generate more than niche interest in North America. I like the VF games, but that is the truth.

Peter Molyneaux.

Brilliant but over promises. Big time.

Ken Kutaragi.

The person who built Sony's empire. Until the PS3. Granted, it is early in the game, but he was the one on watch when the debacle known as the PS3 launch occured. For all his success, his handling of the PS3 may very well have set Sony back to a position they won't be able to recover from easily. Over-priced and loaded with power, it sure seems like he folloowed the path of the next guy...

Trip Hawkins.

I don't care how successful EA was, he headed up one of the biggest failures in gaming history in the 3D0. Just beacuse you lucked out with Madden doesn't mean you are a genius.

David Perry.

Cool company name, Shiny. One great game, Earthworm Jim. All of a sudden he is in every game magazine in the mid-ninties and promises earth shattering experiences like MDK and Messiah?

Miyamoto has sustained success that maybe one or two other people can even come close to. It isn't even debatable.

[Reality's Fringe]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but wasn't this the dame guy who condemed all videogame journalists and then gave a "lesson" on how to be a better one, while simultaneously disregarding his own advice?

[camoor]

I'm glad someone else agrees with me on Newell.

The man has only made one series, essentially the same game twice, and his concept of "episodic gaming" is a laughable failure, at best. It's taking him a year to get out Half Life 2 Episode 2, and we won't even count how many delays Episode 1 got.

Yes, Half Life and Half Life 2 were good games, but they are largely overrated and Gabe Newell largely overrates himself - the man constantly bitches about EVERYTHING in the industry like he is somehow important because he's only ever made one FPS.

Shit, the story in Half Life barely makes sense these days.

I agree - he's really only made two games in an already established genre. They are excellent games (and personally I do like the story), but besides improving the FPS physics engine and the gravity gun, what has he brought to the table?

[camoor]

You should just stop right there.

And anyone reading your post should just stop right there.

There's nothing more to see.

?

The Beatles were a boy band when they first started out. Come on - do you seriously believe that "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" was the second-coming of rock?

[Strell]

?

The Beatles were a boy band when they first started out. Come on - do you seriously believe that "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" was the second-coming of rock?

Do you seriously believe the no-instrument playing pretty boys that don't know shit about music are the exact same as the Beatles were when they originally began?

You don't seem to think they remained the same throughout their career, but you're not exactly talking as if they evolved at all either.

[Javery]

When I think of boy bands (as I so often do) I generally think of 5 dudes who can't play any instruments but can dance like mofos - not The Beatles.

[RedvsBlue]

When I think of boy bands (as I so often do) I generally think of 5 dudes who can't play any instruments but can dance like mofos - not The Beatles.

Just because they were an exceptionally talented boy band doesn't mean they weren't a boy band. I think it should be seen as a badge of honor personally. I mean hell the started out as a boy band but went on to become one of the biggest things in the history of music.

[Roufuss]

I agree - he's really only made two games in an already established genre. They are excellent games (and personally I do like the story), but besides improving the FPS physics engine and the gravity gun, what has he brought to the table?

I enjoyed the story up until the end when a bunch of storyline's just completely went to apeshit, and Episode 1 did absolutely nothing in explaining anything.

Half Life 2 just brought more questions to the table and gave us no answers.. it also had the shittiest ending of all time.

I believe that the story is completely out of control at this point, and Gabe Newell has no idea how to wrap it up without making it sound completely fucking retarded.

Gabe Newell only brought the ridiculous idea of "episodic content" to us, and he sucks balls at it. He's rode the Half Life train straight into the ground... he is essentially the biggest one hit wonder in gaming, and how he dosen't make an overrated list shocks me.

Every other developer on that list, or anyone else's lists, has contributed more games and more IP's than this fat sack of crap.

Hey, don't forget, he's also the genius who brought us Steam... a service that was supposed to eliminate the middle man for cheaper games by offering them digitally, but I can get their games on sale at Circuit City for half of what Steam is charging... and then Steam locks up my retail disc so I can't resell it.

[Puffa469]

?

The Beatles were a boy band when they first started out. Come on - do you seriously believe that "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" was the second-coming of rock?

A 'Boy Band' is a manufactured commodity. Boy Band members are picked to fit a certain look, the blonde, the tough one, the babyface, etc. Often they are picked from thousands of applicants who show up for an open audition after seeing an ad in the paper. Their songs are written for them, and picked for them, and session musicians play the instruments on their songs because boy band members often cannot read music or play an instrument.

NONE of the above things are true of the Beatles.

Im trying be nice here so let me just say that while you are entitled to your opinion, you clearly know nothing about the Beatles, so please refrain from making anymore uninformed statements about them.

[CaseyRyback]

Yu Suzuki.

He is considered a supreme talent by hardcore fans and has other franchises besides VF, but he hasn't done anything to keep Sega from losing its relevance in the market. I have seen several people mention him in the same breath as Miyamoto and it isn't even close. Virtua Fighter is his only real AAA franchise and as great as it is he has failed to generate more than niche interest in North America. I like the VF games, but that is the truth.

Peter Molyneaux.

Brilliant but over promises. Big time.

Ken Kutaragi.

The person who built Sony's empire. Until the PS3. Granted, it is early in the game, but he was the one on watch when the debacle known as the PS3 launch occured. For all his success, his handling of the PS3 may very well have set Sony back to a position they won't be able to recover from easily. Over-priced and loaded with power, it sure seems like he folloowed the path of the next guy...

Trip Hawkins.

I don't care how successful EA was, he headed up one of the biggest failures in gaming history in the 3D0. Just beacuse you lucked out with Madden doesn't mean you are a genius.

David Perry.

Cool company name, Shiny. One great game, Earthworm Jim. All of a sudden he is in every game magazine in the mid-ninties and promises earth shattering experiences like MDK and Messiah?

Miyamoto has sustained success that maybe one or two other people can even come close to. It isn't even debatable.


So Kutaragi is over rated solely because of the PS3? C'mon now the system hasn't even been out for six months and it is already achieving part of its goal of pushing the blu ray format. Six months in is not enough time to judge any system, especially one that has the kind of lineup that the PS3 does. Sorry but you can't over rate someone who has pushed gaming to the masses solely because the PS3 is over priced.

I don't think anyone has come out and compared Suzuki to Miyamoto. They make vastly different games and SEGA was structured different so that one person could not have the kind of influence that Miyamoto has at Nintendo. And saying that Virtua Fighter is the only quality franchise that the man has produced is laughable. Go look at the string of arcade hits he has made and while it didn't sell well I think the Shenmue games are better than anything Nintendo has made in years (aside from Smash Bros. Melee). And so what if a game is a niche title? Does that change how good the game is? I don't really care how many copies a game sells as long as it sells enough where I get to play a sequel if it is enjoyable.

As far as Trip Hawkins and David Perry go, who the hell ever rated them highly? Be default they cannot be considered over rated because they haven't done anything in more than 10 years worth a fuck. Trip gets more a slide from me because he set the course as far as the direction of EA and his major fault was getting caught up in the console manufacturing craze that took place during the early 90's and then not ditching 3D0 after the console failed. David Perry made Earthworm Jim and that is it. Pretty much everyone agrees the matrix games suck so I don't see how he can be seen as over rated.

[GuilewasNK]

So Kutaragi is over rated solely because of the PS3? C'mon now the system hasn't even been out for six months and it is already achieving part of its goal of pushing the blu ray format. Six months in is not enough time to judge any system, especially one that has the kind of lineup that the PS3 does. Sorry but you can't over rate someone who has pushed gaming to the masses solely because the PS3 is over priced.

I don't think anyone has come out and compared Suzuki to Miyamoto. They make vastly different games and SEGA was structured different so that one person could not have the kind of influence that Miyamoto has at Nintendo. And saying that Virtua Fighter is the only quality franchise that the man has produced is laughable. Go look at the string of arcade hits he has made and while it didn't sell well I think the Shenmue games are better than anything Nintendo has made in years (aside from Smash Bros. Melee). And so what if a game is a niche title? Does that change how good the game is? I don't really care how many copies a game sells as long as it sells enough where I get to play a sequel if it is enjoyable.

As far as Trip Hawkins and David Perry go, who the hell ever rated them highly? Be default they cannot be considered over rated because they haven't done anything in more than 10 years worth a fuck. Trip gets more a slide from me because he set the course as far as the direction of EA and his major fault was getting caught up in the console manufacturing craze that took place during the early 90's and then not ditching 3D0 after the console failed. David Perry made Earthworm Jim and that is it. Pretty much everyone agrees the matrix games suck so I don't see how he can be seen as over rated.

I have seen people compare Miyamoto and Suzuki before.

I like Suzuki's games, but some people put him on a pedestal that is WAY too high. His games are cool, but no way in hell would I say Space Harrier, Outrun, Hang-On or even Shenmue have had near the impact on the industry that VF has and even then, that VF impact wasn't worldwide like a Super Mario or Castlevania or SimCity. It was pretty much in Japan.

In regards to Trip and Perry, I am referring their pasts . I remember reading game magazines or going to dscussion forums years ago when they were described as the hottest things going, Shiny this, 3D0 that. Basically I am saying that people in the industry in the past have had their value on the industry way overestimated compared to the people on the list in the OP. The OP people have proven sustained track records besides Reggie. Jaffe could be the next Perry if he doesn't continues AAA title success.

I said myself it is very early to be sure about the PS3's fate. But the arrogance brought by the success of the PS One and PS2 has lead to the "yes man" mentality that pushed the PSP and PS3. Then consumers are looking for the second analog nub in PSP and rumble function in PS3 and wonder how the hell did they pass the drawing board.

[camoor]

Just because they were an exceptionally talented boy band doesn't mean they weren't a boy band. I think it should be seen as a badge of honor personally. I mean hell the started out as a boy band but went on to become one of the biggest things in the history of music.

Thank you. Someone understands what I'm saying (and yes - there was alot of talent in that band, just IMO the parts were much better then the whole)

[Javery]

Just because they were an exceptionally talented boy band doesn't mean they weren't a boy band. I think it should be seen as a badge of honor personally. I mean hell the started out as a boy band but went on to become one of the biggest things in the history of music.

But wouldn't that make every band made up of all guys a boy band? Why would you label them like that but not, say, the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin?

Also, camoor - The Beatles were definitely NOT a band where "the parts were much better then the whole" - if anything it was the other way around. Besides a few songs here and there nothing Lennon, McCartney, Harrison or Ringo did after the Beatles even comes close to what they did together as a band.

[RedvsBlue]

But wouldn't that make every band made up of all guys a boy band? Why would you label them like that but not, say, the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin?

Also, camoor - The Beatles were definitely NOT a band where "the parts were much better then the whole" - if anything it was the other way around. Besides a few songs here and there nothing Lennon, McCartney, Harrison or Ringo did after the Beatles even comes close to what they did together as a band.

The whole "british invasion" thing, while not specifically about just The Beatles is the kind of media push that boy bands get in present day. They may not have started as a boy band in England but they were presented and introduced to America as such.

[camoor]

A 'Boy Band' is a manufactured commodity. Boy Band members are picked to fit a certain look, the blonde, the tough one, the babyface, etc. Often they are picked from thousands of applicants who show up for an open audition after seeing an ad in the paper. Their songs are written for them, and picked for them, and session musicians play the instruments on their songs because boy band members often cannot read music or play an instrument.

NONE of the above things are true of the Beatles.

Im trying be nice here so let me just say that while you are entitled to your opinion, you clearly know nothing about the Beatles, so please refrain from making anymore uninformed statements about them.

All modern terrestial radio is just music industry product today.

That doesn't mean it was always that way.

Today, commercial rock and commercial rap rule the mainstream. This goes double for modern pop, which is where I gather you draw your definition of "boy band" from.

PS - I am in awe of your scary music knowledge, you must be a master of Guitar Hero to know so much about rock and roll!

[camoor]

But wouldn't that make every band made up of all guys a boy band? Why would you label them like that but not, say, the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin?

AFAIK, the Stones or Led Zep never wrote a pop song about wanting to hold a girl's hand (or other safe, family-friendly topics aimed at the teen girl demo)

[Strell]

If the Beatles are a boy band, then who isn't a boy band?

And don't name me your favorite unknown tired never-reached-popularity-due-to-their-obscurity nonsense bullshit band.

It's like the people who think the Venus de Milo is porn simply because you can see a tit.

Also, you're calling them a boy band based entirely on one song?

Incredible. The Rolling Stones probably have their songs in a million commercialized things, so does that make them a completely worthless industry fuckpuppet?

[GuilewasNK]

I've come to the conclusion that naming anything overrated is overrated in and of itself.

[RollingSkull]

Kojima should be on every overrated list ever until people realize that the only MGS game that is actually worth owning is MGS3:S. Once the entire world is sick of calling him overrated, that's when he gets off.

Honestly, why do I have to hold about five buttons to aim and shoot in first person from cover? What the hell is the point of that?

I don't begrudge the CliffyB hatred, but I love UT99, UC2, and Gears too much to join in on it.

[camoor]

Ken Kutaragi.

The person who built Sony's empire. Until the PS3. Granted, it is early in the game, but he was the one on watch when the debacle known as the PS3 launch occured. For all his success, his handling of the PS3 may very well have set Sony back to a position they won't be able to recover from easily. Over-priced and loaded with power, it sure seems like he folloowed the path of the next guy...

I agree. From the bios that I've seen/read, it just seems like he was a smart, plucky guy who happened to be in the right place at the right time with the PS1. Sony happened to be mad at Nintendo, they had all this tech IP lying around after their deal had fallen through, and the time was ripe for an underdog who understood the advantage of attracting third-party developers to enter their marketplace.

Lightning only strikes once, it takes a true business genius to stay on top (as I think we'll soon see...)

[Puffa469]

Completely incorrect.

Modern terrrestrial radio (lets stick with Rock music for now) is filled with bands that formed on their own, wrote their own songs, and play their own instruments. Sure they got a makeover from the record company, and their music has been produced to fit whats hot right now, but the fact remains that record companies send A&R people all over the country searching for the next big thing. A great example would be the SXSW festival that just happened in Austin last week. Every A&R rep in the industry was there. If all modern music was a produced commodity, there wouldnt be a need for AR.

Rap music is a little different, but I'd be willing to bet that most rap artists write their own rhymes. Commercial rap all sounds the same to me, but thats only because whenever something gets hot, the next 20 guys down the line try to imitate that sound.

Yes the music selection on modern radio is very limited, all rock bands seem to be following the brooding emo pop-punk mold ala My Chemical Romance. But those bands are certainly not boy bands and are not manufactured. They were not picked to be in that band because they 'fit the shirt' <- Greg Brady References FTW!

I draw my definition of Boy Band from the music industry. You seem to think a boy band is any band with all male members. Or any band that writes songs about girls. 'I wanna hold your hand' is no different a song than Blink 182's 'Josie'. Both are poppy hits about how the right girl makes us feel awesome. Is Blink a boy band then? Ya gotta remember that 'I wanna hold your hand' didnt sound as corny 40 years ago as it does today. In another 40 years maybe Josie will be a corny song, who knows?

Im in awe of your scary lack of music knowledge, which you insist on repeatedly demonstrating. Ive never played Guitar Hero in my life. But I did work for Viacom (they own MTV). I also worked for a record label for a bit when I first graduated college. I dont claim to know everything about the music industry, but I do know with certainty that the Beatles were never a boy band.

All modern terrestial radio is just music industry product today.

That doesn't mean it was always that way.

Today, commercial rock and commercial rap rule the mainstream. This goes double for modern pop, which is where I gather you draw your definition of "boy band" from.

PS - I am in awe of your scary music knowledge, you must be a master of Guitar Hero to know so much about rock and roll!

[camoor]

I draw my definition of Boy Band from the music industry. You seem to think a boy band is any band with all male members. Or any band that writes songs about girls. 'I wanna hold your hand' is no different a song than Blink 182's 'Josie'. Both are poppy hits about how the right girl makes us feel awesome. Is Blink a boy band then?

No, they're a scary bad-ass punk band - right up there with the sex pistols and the Ramones

Im in awe of your scary lack of music knowledge, which you insist on repeatedly demonstrating. Ive never played Guitar Hero in my life. But I did work for Viacom (they own MTV). I also worked for a record label for a bit when I first graduated college. I dont claim to know everything about the music industry, but I do know with certainty that the Beatles were never a boy band.

That explains alot.

[trq]

Honestly, why do I have to hold about five buttons to aim and shoot in first person from cover? What the hell is the point of that?

Yeah, I'll give ya that one. Nothing worse than having to warp your hand into some misshapen claw just to shoot at someone.

[camoor]

Honestly, why do I have to hold about five buttons to aim and shoot in first person from cover? What the hell is the point of that?

That's a great point. You don't see any guns with 5 triggers and three shift keys.

[dallow]

No, they're a scary bad-ass punk band - right up there with the sex pistols and the Ramones
Haha, are you serious?
By your broad definition, The Ramones (who I guess you enjoy) should be a 'boy band' because of that little song on their debut album "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend"

You know the one that goes:

Hey, little girl
I wanna be your boyfriend
Sweet little girl
I wanna be your boyfriend
Do you love me babe?
What do you say?
Do you love me babe?
What can I say?
Because I wanna be your boyfriend

Not to mention tons of their songs from later in their career. The parts most everyone forgets.

Anyway, you like Blink 182 and consider them a 'bad ass punk band'. You lose all credibility right there.
Don't talk about "punk" music until you know what it is.
My avatar is the sleeve of a single of a real punk band you've probably never heard of.

[Duo_Maxwell]

I dislike this list. Miyamoto helped gaming become what it is now and his games were the ones that I and many, many others got started with in gaming when we were young, so he gets a pass IMO even if he does more PR work than anything now. And Igarashi doesn't even get that much talk outside the castlevania fanbase, however it's their total idiotic comments that make me sour on that pick. If you think that SotN plays just like the Castlevania of '86 you either haven't really played it or are an idiot. Also, everytime he tries something truly new for the series people act like the world has ended. I agree with the other picks, Jaffe and Reggie are pretty justified and Kojima made great strides especially in cinematic storytelling of games, but seems like maybe he lost a little of the magic and really only has two series I like (ZOE and MGS).

[alongx]

I have to agree with the general sentiment - Miyamoto and Kojima don't belong on the list. Those two are held in the highest of regards, but they always, always deliver the goods. Now, Itagaki on the other hand...why isn't he #1 on this list?

[camoor]

Haha, are you serious?
By your broad definition, The Ramones (who I guess you enjoy) should be a 'boy band' because of that little song on their debut album "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend"

You know the one that goes:



Not to mention tons of their songs from later in their career. The parts most everyone forgets.
And they sound just like 60s bubblegum pop when they sing those songs too. Great point there.

Anyway, you like Blink 182 and consider them a 'bad ass punk band'. You lose all credibility right there.
Don't talk about "punk" music until you know what it is.
My avatar is the sleeve of a single of a real punk band you've probably never heard of.
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[usickenme]

I don't think even Reggie deserves to be on the list. Pre-Reggie Nintendo USA had no edge and no voice. Now you can't think bout Nintendo w/o also thinking about the big-foreheaded Canadian

[looploop]

I have to agree with the general sentiment - Miyamoto and Kojima don't belong on the list. Those two are held in the highest of regards, but they always, always deliver the goods. Now, Itagaki on the other hand...why isn't he #1 on this list?

Who really holds Itagaki in high esteem like that though? Half the time when Itagaki's name comes up most people just vent their contempt for the man and say all he makes are boobfests with good graphics.
Kojima and Miyamoto on the other hand, are the sacred cows of the gaming industry (maybe rightfully so) and most anyone who dares to question their invulnerability is scoffed at. =/

[sblymnlcrymnl]

The Rolling Stones probably have their songs in a million commercialized things, so does that make them a completely worthless industry fuckpuppet? Yes.

[hufferstl]

This list is absolute opinionated crap. A complete waste of a read.

Calling Miamoto overrated is like calling Led Zeppelin overrated because they haven't had a huge hit in the last 5 years. The guy has said that his job is training Nintendo's team leaders, helping them along the way with development. He helped shape the Wii Controller into what it is today, and 25 years ago he just about invented and perfected the platformer. To me, the guy has done more for the industry than anyone else that I can think of, so if anything, he is under-rated.

[-Never4ever-]

They loss all credibility when they assumed that every Castlevania plays the same and has the same plot. Only non-gamers say something so absurd.

Try again, this time with some fucking game cred.

[Skylander7]

AFAIK, the Stones or Led Zep never wrote a pop song about wanting to hold a girl's hand (or other safe, family-friendly topics aimed at the teen girl demo)

Zeppelin sold millions of records.. and to this day, they sell shitloads of albums. When the 3-disc How The West Was Won set was released, it debuted at #1 on the Billboard. That's mainstream.. but it goes to show that sometimes people don't need a corporate pop producing record label to tell them what's good music, and that great music is timeless.

Listen to early Beach Boys.. they also wrote typical cheese love songs of that era. It's what the labels wanted. Hell, the only way to tell the difference between a group of people with artistic talent and direction and manufactured label fodder is when you take away the songwriters and label influence. The Beatles had to get signed.. then the frustration came of hating touring and playing that sort of music. Thus, Sgt. Pepper was born. On the other side of the spectrum, the Beach Boys had great success writing teenage pop music. Then Brian Wilson's talent started coming out..just listen to Pet Sounds. Granted Brian Wilson kind of wanted to chase Spector and his whole "Wall of Sound" deal.. but Wilson had his own way of doing things (and yeah, he had too much acid and went bonkers making Smile). However.. if you listen to Pet Sounds then.. or Strawberry Fields.. or any of those kind of example, it was groundbreaking. Shit, listen to Smile today. It's fucking moving.

Another thing about Zep. I love Zep to death, and am a huge fan. Here's the thing (and yeah, I love the blues as well.. and I'm talking old blues) Zep played music that had to do with love, and you're not bashing them for it. However, they (and MANY other bands) actually took music that America had ignored due to listening to the corporate label shoveled bull shit and racism: the blues. While American society took a shit on the blues in general, it was making an impact on a few in the south (like the Allman Brothers, while Duane was alive) and alot of musicians in Europe (namely the U.K.) and Australia (like AC/DC... see Jailbreak if you don't believe me, and "Baby Please Don't Go"). Many of Zep's biggest hits were kind of lifted from old blues (their album credits now reflect that if you check your CD jackets, after lawsuits in the 80's). Personally, I believe that Zep was an incredible band that put their own flavor and style onto such music and weren't just lifting it. They basically brought something mainstream that was inherently American: the fucking blues. Without the blues, Clapton would be waiting tables, Zep wouldn't have lasted beyond the "New Yardbirds"... hell I could go on and on.

The Beatles were recognized for their talent, signed, and forced to make a few bubblegum tunes. However, their artistic nature began to shine. That's how their band evolved. Hell, even look at Floyd and their first album (while Syd was still in the band). They were signed for sounding like the poppy hippy rock that was moving units in the late sixties. Look at the monster that Pink Floyd turned into.

I'm sorry.. any group that can break ground after breaking free of corporate label chains and prove that they have the talent to make meaningful music is NOT overrated. Given the music scene at the time of a young Beatles or Beach Boys, it was impossible to get signed without having the capacity to carry the image that record labels solely believed would make money: pop love songs.

I'm not trying to break your balls here man, and I know this is supposed to be a game thread.. but it kind of adds to it: if you broke ground, and have in some way sustained that reputation enough to allow new life to create in the industry.. then overrated doesn't belong in the discussion. Without a Miyamoto, we'd all still be playing shitass games that are part of a franchising scheme, like E.T on the 2600.

[-Never4ever-]

I emailed this link to a friend and he came back with the best analogy to Miyamoto being on this list.

"The Beatles havent done anything in 30 years and no one goes around calling them overrated."

Except assholes who crave attention.

[mwynn]

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