CAGcast #69: Where the Elite Meet [Mobile/Archive]

CheapyD

03-29-2007, 05:16 AM

CheapyD and Wombat discuss the Xbox 360 Elite, a potentially annoying in-game advertising possibility, new releases, and the latest gaming news. We also answer your questions from the CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382), announce the 80s Karaoke Contest (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130291) winner, and much more!

Sponsored by Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories (http://www.rockstargames.com/vicecitystories/) for the PS2.
Click here for details on our 80's Karaoke Contest! (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130291)

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Show Linkage/Notes:

Intro music: Blaster Master (NES)
Karaoke Contest (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130291)
Winner: Careless Purchase (theq87) (http://www.singshot.com/contestPerformance.html?performanceId=271011&contestId=1964&play=Y&index=4&sortBy=dateRecorded)
Honorable Mentions: On iTunes Tonight (sidochrome) (http://www.singshot.com/contestPerformance.html?performanceId=268797&contestId=1964&play=Y&sortBy=daterecorded&index=7)- CAGs Just Want to Have Fun (Scobie) (http://www.singshot.com/contestPerformance.html?performanceId=233363&contestId=1964&play=Y&sortBy=daterecorded&index=3)

CAG Foreplay: New Releases (3/27/07) (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../archives/cag-foreplay-new-releases-32707.php)

Wii shortage is intentional, according to Gamestop (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/104763227/)
Details and pics of Wii Internet Channel final version (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/104576330/)
Terrifying Operatic Ode To Miyamoto (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/clips/terrifying-operatic-ode-to-miyamoto-246983.php)

PS3 kicks off most successful home console launch in UK... ever (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/104556759/)
Sony clarifies Americans aren't 'cheap,' but U.S. labor is (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/104634357/)
Console Exclusives- Petition against DMC4 (http://www.petitiononline.com/capcompe/petition.html)
PS3 Ninja Gaiden Demo for Japan in April (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ninja-gaiden-sigma/ps3-ninja-gaiden-demo-for-japan-in-april-247819.php)

The Xbox 360 Elite is official, HDMI and 120GB for $479 (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/104843751/)
New Xbox 360 120GB HDD comes with a lot of conditions (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/104966118/)
Halo 3 Legendary Edition to command a legendary $130 pricetag (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/16/halo-3-legendary-edition-to-command-a-legendary-130-pricetag/)
Free Content on Xbox Live (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-hearts-capitalism-shiny-rocks-does-not-heart-free-content-sunshine-30592.phtml)
(http://www.digitalmunition.com/StolenUpdate.html)Xbox Live Account Social Engineering (http://www.digitalmunition.com/StolenUpdate.html)
Dead Rising and Lost Planet stay 360 exclusive (http://www.gamespot.com/6168110)

Best of the Sunday Ads Video Game Deals (3/25-3/31) (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../archives/best-of-the-sunday-ads-video-game-deals-325331.php)
Select bit-Generations games (GBA) $15 at Play-Asia (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/../archives/select-bitgenerations-games-gba-15-at-playasia.php)

Take Two Sues Jack Thompson (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070316-take-two-sues-jack-thompson-over-nuisance-lawsuits.html)
Jack Thompson Sues Take Two
(http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/03/22/thompson-responds-to-the-take-two-suit-with-one-of-his-own)EA teams up for music label (http://au.gamespot.com/news/6168070.html)
Full-year GameStop sales surpass $5 billion
(http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168155.html)Burnout 5 To Use HD Eye Toy, 360 Vision (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/burnout/burnout-5-to-use-hd-eye-toy-360-vision-247627.php)

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Outro: Shaq Fu (http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=5411)

DarkNessBear

03-29-2007, 05:43 AM

Dang, I was just about to go to sleep.

Im guessing this show is about the Xbox Elite though.

Cant wait to hear it.

AshesofWake

03-29-2007, 05:47 AM

gonna listen to this while playing some WoW tonight, woo!

HOVA uk

03-29-2007, 06:05 AM

can't wait to hear the winning karaoke guy... most really good, or really embrassing

daphatty

03-29-2007, 06:27 AM

Working on the download now. Looking forward to it.

FUCK $179 dollar drives....

03-29-2007, 06:29 AM

Damn you Wombat, you misunderstood my comments (the off-hand reference to the complaints about you Wii bashing last week). You said a game not out yet doesn't count when you said the Wii only has minigame collections. The issue was not that comment but that you guys both said NOTHING was coming out any time soon - and the Super Paper Mario release is imminent. I figured it was worth at least a mention (so, anyway, thanks for mentioning it this week, though you managed to diss it anyway). THAT was what I was referring to. And you guys put us down for our listening comprehension skills (another off-hand comment about one of my posts where I mixed up Cheapy and Wombat's positions on GTA vs Madden ;)).

Also, Cheapy, not a single person here thought you LITERALLY meant every person played either GTA or Madden. (Well, I hope not anyway).

And just to provide some proof (on the SPM issue), here's my post back then. Sure, other people complained too so maybe you didn't mean me ;)

Yeah, I have to say it irked me a bit when they talked of all the bad games coming out for the Wii and that nothing good was coming out until the next MARY-oh and they made it sound like that was Galaxy. WTF? Super Paper Mario is just a few weeks away here...

At least it prompted Cheapy to look at the videos though. Here's a little more in depth look at the game - sounds like it will be the next "big thing" on the Wii to me:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/776/776339p1.html

And (thanks to Daroga in the SPM preview thread):

http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=160934

Highlights:
"To play Super Paper Mario is to know what an epic, many-layered adventure it sends you on."

"Super Paper Mario always seems to have been neglected by Ninty's Promotional Megamachine in favour of its starry-eyed neighbour, Super Mario Galaxy. But know this: Super Paper Mario is easily brilliant enough to make you forget that there's even another Mario game on the way."

"It's visually dazzling. The colours are so sharp you may just cut your eye open on them." (To counter Cheapy's comments about the graphics not looking so hot ;))

"Simply: it's brilliant - and one of the best games we've ever played."

OK, maybe a little overboard there, but my point is that this is a HUGE release for the Wii, probably the best since (and maybe including?) Zelda. Hardly a collection of lame minigames. This is one of the last few games I have on preorder - nothing this year on the 360 interests me enough to preorder.

03-29-2007, 06:41 AM

Different topic: The Elite. I'll probably get one, but only because I haven't bought a 360 yet. I don't think I want to wait until Oct/Nov for the 65nm chips.

However, how do you know it won't have the quieter drive? These are becoming standard on the very latest premiums. I would assume that these would also be standard on the Elite. Of course, till I hear something specific (or see pictures showing the BenQ tray) then I'll wait and see. If it doesn't AT LEAST have that I'm not getting it.

Medium_Pimpin

03-29-2007, 08:50 AM

Great show this week guys, I completely agree the 360 elite is a ripoff. Hope those new processors/cooling units make an appearance before june 5th(Mass Effect!).

Looks like cheapy's appearance on the Joystiq podcast was deemed too bald for podcasting, as episode 3 instead discusses more recent issues with Xbox 360 Fanboy's Richard Mitchell.

http://www.joystiq.com/category/podcasts/

gorgo

03-29-2007, 10:30 AM

Regarding the discussion of download-only games in the future:

It seems to me that this would be absolutely catastrophic for CAGs.

Reasons:

1. No clearance sales, ever.
2. No Gamer Gift Card, Google Check Out deals, etc.
3. No ability to trade in/sell a game you no longer want
4. The inevitable issues of hard drive crashes...

I can see how this would be good for the game companies, but it would suck for the consumer. Remember prior to the PS3 launch when Sony was discussing "locking" a game to the console it was first played on, eliminating the sale of used games? That idea was thankfully not enacted...

HuBu

03-29-2007, 10:55 AM

just finished dl-ing.

ArthurDigbySellers

03-29-2007, 10:59 AM

Damn you Wombat, you misunderstood my comments (the off-hand reference to the complaints about you Wii bashing last week). You said a game not out yet doesn't count when you said the Wii only has minigame collections. The issue was not that comment but that you guys both said NOTHING was coming out any time soon - and the Super Paper Mario release is imminent. I figured it was worth at least a mention (so, anyway, thanks for mentioning it this week, though you managed to diss it anyway). THAT was what I was referring to. And you guys put us down for our listening comprehension skills (another off-hand comment about one of my posts where I mixed up Cheapy and Wombat's positions on GTA vs Madden ;)).

I was away on a business trip last week so I didn't get a chance to listen to the "Meat Spin" podcast until yesterday and never got into the podcast thread to post or read the comments. Now that I have heard last week's podcast and I'm up to the Super Paper Mario point of this week's podcast, I have to say I, too, am getting annoyed with the "coverage" the Wii is getting.

First of all, if you are going to discuss Super Paper Mario based on comments that were in last week's feedback thread, do some actual fucking research on how the game works. At least Cheapy got the RPG/Action elements sort of correct, but every review of the game tells you exactly how it controls - the Wiimote is held sideways like an NES pad. Motion controls are only for special functions and are not a core part of the gameplay. As far as how SPM looks, well I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think it looks fantastic. If you haven't played the previous Paper Mario games, maybe this game will not be your cup of tea, but it is the biggest game coming out on the Wii since Zelda, IMO.

This so-called drought that the Wii is having is the same exact thing that the Xbox 360 went through last year and that the PS3 is seriously going through right now as well. I know you guys bitched about the 360 at this time last year, but you also seemed to forgive Microsoft a lot more than Nintendo.

Wombat

03-29-2007, 11:20 AM

I was away on a business trip last week so I didn't get a chance to listen to the "Meat Spin" podcast until yesterday and never got into the podcast thread to post or read the comments. Now that I have heard last week's podcast and I'm up to the Super Paper Mario point of this week's podcast, I have to say I, too, am getting annoyed with the "coverage" the Wii is getting.

First of all, if you are going to discuss Super Paper Mario based on comments that were in last week's feedback thread, do some actual fucking research on how the game works. At least Cheapy got the RPG/Action elements sort of correct, but every review of the game tells you exactly how it controls - the Wiimote is held sideways like an NES pad. Motion controls are only for special functions and are not a core part of the gameplay. As far as how SPM looks, well I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think it looks fantastic. If you haven't played the previous Paper Mario games, maybe this game will not be your cup of tea, but it is the biggest game coming out on the Wii since Zelda, IMO.

This so-called drought that the Wii is having is the same exact thing that the Xbox 360 went through last year and that the PS3 is seriously going through right now as well. I know you guys bitched about the 360 at this time last year, but you also seemed to forgive Microsoft a lot more than Nintendo.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in regards to Paper Mario, as of this posting the game in not available in stores, so to disuss it as a viable option for Wii usage right now would be a false statement. When the game becomes available to masses next week, I know I would be happy to discuss it, until then it does not count as a great game for the Wii because no one can play it. Its the same reason we don't discuss Mass Effect as being a great game for the 360 or Ratchet and Clank as being a great game for the PS3. To sum up wait a week, if we dont sing its praises then, then you can bitch

HuBu

03-29-2007, 11:36 AM

man you guys sure hate the psp. puzzle quest's is not only with the psp. people have also reported bugs with the DS on the puzzle quest's website.

http://www.infinite-interactive.com/InfiniteForums/viewtopic.php?t=378&sid=420c04a86bdbd6bea352de31d7dd8fb0

KingBroly

03-29-2007, 11:41 AM

I still stand by the point that Sonic and the Secret Rings is a real game, and that it's out.

Salmonday

03-29-2007, 11:42 AM

I guess I missed the part where it said in the contest rules that only poorly conceived parodies were likely to be considered for the karaoke contest. Not even giving DarcyDoo an honorable mention? That's cold.

And as far as in-game advertising goes, I don't think all of it is bad. There's nothing wrong with "The Coca Cola Cup" being offered as a downloadable course, tourney, or level in a golf, soccer, or some other sports game. Or if a Coke bottle appeared as a log-rollable type object in Little Big Planet? Or if I could roll up a Ford F-150 in my katamari ball for a good dose of extra mass? Or if the CAGcast was a downloadable, streamed, updated "talk radio" station in my Ferrari in Grand THeft Auto 4. It just has to be in a fashion that doesn't slap you in the face or break the game. But I agree with Cheapy -- the first time I summon Chester Cheetah in an RPG to finish off a bad guy, I'm out of here.

level1online

03-29-2007, 11:50 AM

American Idol vs. GTA Karaoke = Cheap Ass Idol...

MaxBiaggi3

03-29-2007, 11:54 AM

I thought the comments on a 360 Elite podcast done in blackface were hilarious. Thanks, guys! :D

squirrel007

03-29-2007, 11:57 AM

Wombat is the syrup on the waffle that is CAGcast!

PR Mega X

03-29-2007, 12:14 PM

Anyone else having trouble downloading this? I've tried to get it off of the main page as well as through itunes, but I can't get it either way.

squirrel007

03-29-2007, 12:17 PM

Anyone else having trouble downloading this? I've tried to get it off of the main page as well as through itunes, but I can't get it either way.

I was having trouble with itunes so I closed itunes and opened it again. It worked after that. If that doesnt work just try a couple of times.

PlumeNoir

03-29-2007, 12:24 PM

Anyone else having trouble downloading this? I've tried to get it off of the main page as well as through itunes, but I can't get it either way.

I have been trying myself, even so far as to reboot so that iTunes would be fresh...no luck for me yet.

ArthurDigbySellers

03-29-2007, 12:43 PM

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in regards to Paper Mario, as of this posting the game in not available in stores, so to disuss it as a viable option for Wii usage right now would be a false statement. When the game becomes available to masses next week, I know I would be happy to discuss it, until then it does not count as a great game for the Wii because no one can play it. Its the same reason we don't discuss Mass Effect as being a great game for the 360 or Ratchet and Clank as being a great game for the PS3. To sum up wait a week, if we dont sing its praises then, then you can bitch

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough. I never said anything about your opinions of SPM or whether it was a viable reason to use your Wii again, I was just perterbed at the lack of any kind of research (other than watching a couple videos) by Cheapy before discussing SPM on this week's podcast. Cheapy obviously talked about it because of comments in last week's podcast thread, yet he doesn't seem to really know anything about the game other than "it doesn't look that good," and "who knows how the motion control will work."

As far as not discussing unreleased games in terms of whether they will be "great" games or be a viable reason to use a console, I really don't agree with you. I bought my Wii based almost solely on Zelda. I knew the pedigree of that series would make purchasing a Wii worth my money. I also knew that Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Smash Brothers Brawl would be coming out in the future and that they most likely would be great games.

I guess as a Wii owner, I think that the system gets dumped on more than the others. Maybe PS3 owners would disagree since Sony gets it's share of grief. It just seems like every week there is talk about how the Wii has no games, when in fact it has a bunch, (they may just not be games you want to play) while the PS3's meager list of titles is all but ignored.

If you want the Wii to be like the DS, give it a year or so. The DS's lineup was a barren wasteland for the first 6 months at least. I remember it well, I got one a month after lauch and was stuck with the Metroid Prime Hunters demo and Mario 64 DS for a very long time.

EDIT: Nice music choice on the intro Cheapy. Blaster Master was one of my favorite NES games.

theq87

03-29-2007, 12:48 PM

Thanks Cheapy & Wombat -- the karaoke contest was a lot of fun and I'm glad to have been introduced to Singshot. I will, as suggested, rerecord & see if I can't get the microphone to cooperate better.

I await further directions; should I go ahead and PM my address to Wombat?

Thanks to Rockstar, too, of course!

Hired.Geek

03-29-2007, 12:50 PM

theq87, Congrats for winning, you really nailed the song. And listening to it described exactly how I felt a few days after I bought my PS3.

Cheapy, Are you crazy? Having Layalia Keighly one of the hottest women on G4Tv talk about the CAGCast will probably get more eyes on your website then posting a giant billboard on Time Square! WOW, Cheapy in black face thank god…..I do not know what to say…..but if you must continue to travel down this path to insanity can you do the whole CAGCast doing it in black face and imitating the Rev. Jesse Jackson and preach the news of Cheap Ass Video Games with fire and brimstone in your voice? Kind of like Rev. Jesse Jackson did, when he read Green Eggs and Ham on Saturday Night Live.

WOW, the Honey comb song. The memories! I guess it proves that Cheapy and Wombat are at least in their late twenties to early thirties!

As for the Wii Browser I am of the understanding that it will continue to be free until sometime in June, and then after that you will have to pay for it.

I agree with Cheapy that the odds of these Devil May Cry fans actually not buying the game was about as realistic as Wombat claiming he was going to wait to download the Oblivion Shivering Isle expansion pack. And this whole polluting the blood lines of the game by bring it to other consoles are just Insane Sony Fanboys who want to have some reason to justify buying a PS3. Obviously they should spend less time playing Devil May Cry and spend a little more time learning to spell, or at least learn how to use a spell checker.

I think Wombat is right, that Wii developers need to look to the DS for inspiration. Developers need to stop shoveling Waggleware ports from the 360 and PS3, and start thinking about the odd quirky games of the DS. These are the games that seem to be launching the DS sales, so it stands to reason they would do the same for the Wii. I had to laugh at Wombat’s comment about JetPack being kind of impulse buy that you purchase because of extra points you have. Too bad it came out the same week that the Oblivion expansion pack came out, probably not to many extra points sitting on too many accounts now.

Wombat does have a point that developers that want to give away content on XBox LIVE costs Microsoft money in down load bandwidth. So here is what I propose. For all of us paying $50 a year maybe Microsoft could give some of that content for free, and then charge silver members a very small fee say 20 to 50 points depending on the size. That way Microsoft still makes a little bit of money for server costs and bandwidth.

In game advertising is something that I have mixed feelings about. As long as it is not obnoxious it is not bad. Take the Splinter Cell series. Axe body spray, Nokia, and Dodge were placed very well. You noticed them but they did not over power you. Now Rainbow Six: Vegas and Crackdown I thought there were still allot of extra ads. And for god sakes change it up a bit. In Crackdown I saw so many ads for Dodge I do not think I will ever buy one I am so sick of looking at them. I would pay another $60 if someone wrote a hack so that the rocket launcher or any weapon would actually show environment destruction to the billboards in the game! If advertisers wanted to sponsor a specific piece of the game that would be OK buy me. But once I am in the game I do not want to see any reference to the product unless is applies. So to continue the idea of the Coke Cola Battle Axe. If at the Marketplace I saw the Coke Cola Battle Axe for Oblivion, and downloaded it that is fine. Even if the axe is Coke Cola red, that is fine. But no logos and no name references in game. Advertisers will get benefit by me telling my friend how effective the Coke Cola battle axe is some specific aspect of the game.

When it was brought up that next gen systems may rely more on download or streaming content only, this scares me. If I buy some crappy game, how do I sell it to get rid of it? Or some game that actually only takes six hours to complete with no replay value, now I am out $80 (and do not kid yourself they will raise the price again!). Now I can not even trade it in and recover part of my investment. You know developers are itching to find a way to get rid of used game sales, and this actually scares me a little.

Honestly Ms. Cheapy you got to get a video of Cheapy in his black underwear and a red sheet or table cloth doing his 300 impression.

Hired.Geek

03-29-2007, 12:56 PM

trip1eX

03-29-2007, 01:04 PM

It will just take time for the Wii to get great games. IT's really no different than in any other console or handheld. AT the same time, let's face facts. Western 3rd party developers didn't bet the farm on Nintendo going into this console generation. The GC was in last place here in NA and well what do expect?

So I wish gamers weren't so ADD and didn't act like little Chicken Littles unless there's a AAA game coming out every other day months after launch. The huge sales of the Wii almost guarantee developers have since done a 180 and now have Wii projects up and going.So patience young sun.

***********

Elite 360 is lame. Makes the PS3 look good. And the Wii even cheaper. HDMI is better, but kind of like $10 million is better than $9 million.

Medium_Pimpin

03-29-2007, 01:19 PM

RudyPants

03-29-2007, 01:46 PM

It's not downloading for me yet ...

lokizz

03-29-2007, 01:46 PM

the ps3 is starting to look better to me especially since now i know you can put in your own harddrive but the price still needs to drop considerably. but that halo 3 helmet box set is a freakin stupid idea. games are too damn expensive on those new systems already why pay 130 bucks to get a lame toy helmet? man this gen of systems is just so damn depressing and too much of a headache when it comes to figure out which to purchase. i miss the simpler times.

H.Cornerstone

03-29-2007, 02:16 PM

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/21
All I have to say to you Cheapy for not liking 300

MSUnman

03-29-2007, 02:59 PM

Im suprised that CheapyD is not interested in getting a Elite. It upscales your DVD's via HDMI. Do you only have have one HDMI slot on your TV? I can recall in many podcasts your gripe about ps3 and its lack of upscaling, well you could go and get the elite instead.

KingBroly

03-29-2007, 03:16 PM

I would put this title in the 90% of the great podcasts you guys have done.

The PSP is too expensive. The $200 PSP is worse than the 360's core. Especially when it doesn't come with Memory that makes it cost more than the $250 model when purchased. With the 360, at least adding the HDD adds up to the cost of the more expensive units, without the bonuses.

Once again, I must summon the Pronunciation police, as it's pronounced Bro-Lee. I am picky about it. But, since it was answered extremely quick, I guess I can let it slide this once.

I was kind of going with the large amount of titles at launch in an arcade like setting with my question. Like the Virtual Console's launch (17 or 19 titles), but new games instead of old games.

I dub this podcast a 8.95 out of 10. It didn't get any higher because of the large amount of (Insert title of that game Wombat loves too much) mentions.

Eel O'Brian

03-29-2007, 03:37 PM

I've been trying to download this off and on all day with no luck.

Jackal888

03-29-2007, 03:42 PM

trip1eX

03-29-2007, 04:18 PM

IT's bs too that MS discourages developers from offering free content. IF a game, like GoW, sells 3 million plus copies then Epic & Ms can afford to reward those gamers with some free content.

Dingleberry

03-29-2007, 04:42 PM

http://www.artstomp.com/handler/images/Evan6.jpg

Worseley

03-29-2007, 04:57 PM

aznkarizma

03-29-2007, 05:03 PM

why cant i download the cagcast?!?!?!

gunm

03-29-2007, 05:17 PM

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9219/cheapyvshandleriv4.jpg

Ha ha, why didn't I see the resemblance before!

Anyhoo, the whole SPM controversy is getting blown out of proportion. I think SPM looks pretty good and I'm interested to see how well the Wii-specific controllers work with this platforming gameplay. I think the developer is making a good effort at trying something different with that type of genre. Although the flipping direction thing was already done by Treasure with Silhouette Mirage on the Saturn, the technology is there to make more of the pseudo 3D stuff that the game apparently tries to take advantage of. As Wombat says, I'll wait to see what they say after the game actually comes out.

And wow, Cheapy, you've sure been getting around this past week! Just saw your Destructoid podcast appearance and will be checking that out after I listen to this. I like how CheapyD is headlined while Wombat is mentioned only in a tiny blurb after the jump.

Good insight on the Elite--people expecting the smaller chips to be in this one are, as you say, probably just some months off. I can see price drops or revamps or a combination of the two by the holidays.

Wombat, I always appreciate your insights, but your in-game ad idea is just evil. See Bill Hicks regarding what all marketing people should do.

You know you've made it when the largest Internet game blogs send you long letters telling you you're wrong and you've pissed them off.

Good show, don't get overexposed! ;)

bwa ha just started listening to Destructoid. Nice nice nice CAGcast parody. I like how you both sounded like you were reading a script. Oh wait, you were reading a script! Still, pretty funny for those in the know...

Rei no Otaku

03-29-2007, 05:32 PM

Oh I wasn't kidding guys. I want that Rail Fan segment!

bobomallone

03-29-2007, 05:43 PM

great show as always...however I'm VERY dissapointed in the vice city contest. I thought it was a Karaoke contest...not a parody contest. THe person who should have won, was the person who song the song listed with the lyrics listed (at least for the most part) and "the judges" found the most entertaining. I REALLY hope you do this again, but have a set of rules.
-bob

03-29-2007, 06:42 PM

Wouldn't you know... the only pictures that I found of Cheapy where he's smiling with a big gaping smile is when he has a Robocop toy in his hand. I'm serious!!! This guy Loves his Robocop!!!:applause: (Handler on left, Cheapy on right)

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9219/cheapyvshandleriv4.jpg

Wait, you mean those are 2 different people? :rofl:

There's no SPM "controversy" - just a little back-n-forth here. And once again, Wombat, it isn't that you guys didn't REVIEW the fucking game that isn't out yet. It is that you specifically called out the drought of Wii games until Super Mario Galaxy comes out (and we don't even know when that is, but it is at least several months away!) when another potentially excellent Mario game was coming in mere weeks. THAT was my point.

Anyway, don't get me wrong - other than compounding that one minor quibble by commenting on it again, great show ;)!

Jackal888

03-29-2007, 07:27 PM

Oh I wasn't kidding guys. I want that Rail Fan segment!

I agree with you. There are a ton of railfan games for the PSP Cheapy could review or talk about.

thorbahn3

03-29-2007, 09:15 PM

Man, Wombat I really wished Cheapy would of got pissed you said Shema and then he called you by your real name. That would of Pwned!

As for in game ads in Oblivion, why can't I fight the Keebler elf in a downloadable content quest.

BTW I found a preview for next week. O,ky!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/thorbahn3/cheapyvshandleriv4.jpg

TheHiei

03-29-2007, 09:56 PM

I gotta disagree with Wombat on his views of the DS vs Wii.

I remember when I got the DS and the first whole year it was out it was mostly just GBA ports and nothing fully using the system to it's best abilities, making me think I made the wrong choice in purchasing it.

That's totally different now, and I think the same can still happen to the Wii and I'm really hoping that it does happen.

magiic

03-29-2007, 10:01 PM

I listened to this CAGcast while re-writing a math test after school today lol

g13

03-29-2007, 11:22 PM

I am all for comedy in most shape and forms,but a black face joke is a sign of bad taste. I am glad Wombat stepped away from the joke.I know you are in Japan where you are insulated from the racial divide in the US but even you know that was not a good move. What is next? Cheap Jew jokes? Lazy Mexicans? Slant eyed asian jokes? Cheapy you have to do better than that.

Cheapy, I am quite disappointed at your "Black Face" comments. I've listed to your podcast for some time and have always gotten hints of bigotry from you. I've looked past the numerous times that you've used the "n" word because unfortunately it has become part of the cool slang language. However, your "Black Face" comments and imitation were enough to make me stop listening to your most recent podcast.

Wombat, thank you for not participating in that racist segment.

mik

03-30-2007, 12:36 AM

Guys, the karaoke contest was brilliant. I'm upset at myself for not participating, but that was some quality entertainment.

Wombat's Burrow was, um, well, er, one of the weirdest things I've recently heard.

And Fuzion Frenzy 2 is easily the worst game I've ever played [for 90 minutes to gather a mess of achievement points].

vosos102

03-30-2007, 12:48 AM

Gah, why wont this thing download in iTunes?

Cao Cao

03-30-2007, 02:21 AM

Today I received my prize from the CAGCast contest a few months ago. Came straight from Cheapy in Japan via Japan Post and USPS Global Express Mail. The box contained three things:
1st prize:
Nintendo Sound Figurine - The Legend of Zelda ("Secret revealed" sound effect)
2ND PRIZE:
.S Collection Nintendo Version (AKA "Lite Brite pegs" toy) - Mario (Donkey Kong version)
MYSTERY 3RD PRIZE:
Namco Sound Figurine- Mappy ("Stage Clear" sound effect)

There were also a couple of CAG business cards in the box. :)
I already put the toys together, and I must say that all of them are excellent prizes!

Thanks Cheapy!

keylime

03-30-2007, 04:01 AM

It won't download for me either in iTunes it says the file is only 5 megs then cancels the download??

CheapyD

03-30-2007, 06:32 AM

Those who are having problems with iTunes, give it another try...I think I found the problem.
You may want to try unsubscribing and resubscribing if it doesn't work.

level1online

03-30-2007, 08:08 AM

Great analysis on the Elite 360 guys. Unless it has a quiter drive or sports the new chips, I really don't see the point of buying one.

The only way the Elite 360 would appeal to me, is if I was able to stack the this new black Xbox 360 on top of my original Xbox. Knowing the original Xbox is built like a tank, I know it could withstand the weight.

Cheapy and Wombat, do you guys foresee the possibility of a third party coming out with an accessory that would allow the two Xbox's to vertically interlock? Like some kind of plastic mold / shelving.

If so, I'd definitelly pick one up when Halo 3 and Blue Dragon come out.

y2jedi

03-30-2007, 08:35 AM

Those who are having problems with iTunes, give it another try...I think I found the problem.
You may want to try unsubscribing and resubscribing if it doesn't work.

I tried that last night and again this morning. Still no luck.

Commute sucked today.

smellytim

03-30-2007, 08:47 AM

I also recieved my toys from that contest a while ago. I got mine a few days ago in a funky japanese box.
1st Toy: Nintendo Sound Figurine - The Legend of Zelda ("Secret revealed" sound effect) I got this one too

2nd Toy: I got one of the lite brite toys as well, unfortunately it was just at fireball and not mario.

3rd Toy: Franzsicha Von Karma from Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney (complete with whip!)

Like Cao Cao said there were also a bunch of business cards in there.

Also I cant get the CAGcast off of itunes.

yukine

03-30-2007, 09:17 AM

From reading the comments that have already been made, this was quite a controversial episode for you two, so I'll avoid arguing about some of the asinine things the both of you said. So with that out of the way...

No you don't have to pay for the Wii browser, I was confused about this myself. We're all getting it for free to keep until June 30th, then after that it'll cost anyone who wants it 500 points.

Wombat, you're not alone in wanting a 2D Ninja Gaiden game for the DS, check out the thread where you can see us discussing it: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132712

VirgiltheChicken

03-30-2007, 10:05 AM

Great show guys! The discussion of the xbox elite was very interesting and brought up a lot of points I really hadn't considered. Thanks for not taking the typical fanboy approach! My only complaint is that I thought that I noticed some choppy cuts in the 'cast. I don't recall these in previous episodes, was it time constraints, am I crazy (answer: yes) or what?

vosos102

03-30-2007, 11:42 AM

At least now when I try and DL I get the correct file size...still wont budge though. I also cant DL directly from the file. Weird.

Tybee

03-30-2007, 12:54 PM

This was a good show, but like several others here, there were times when I got a little aggravated at the fellas. I couldn't believe Cheapy went the blackface route, but I was proud of Wombat for quickly and tactfully defusing the situation.

The poorly-informed Wii portion of the show was a little annoying, what with not knowing that the upgraded browser will still be free for everyone who downloads it through June, and the unfamiliarity with Super Paper Mario. You can try and justify it all you want, but frankly, you frequently wax rhapsodic about 360 games that are 6+ months away, I'd think you could muster a little more enthusiasm -- or at the very least do the legwork to research -- a major Wii title that is only one week away and is getting early raves from major outlets like IGN, Kotaku, and GameSpot.

I thought your analysis of the 360 Elite was spot on. I do not have a 360 yet, and I was playing wait and see with the Elite to decide whether that would get me in the game. But Cheapy makes a very good point about the fact that the now lower-end system will no doubt be upgraded with better guts later this year and may even see a price drop. I can wait.

Listening to that clip from Epileptic Gamer reminds me why the CAGcast is the only gaming podcast I listen to. Yikes.

I feel a little bad for all of the contest entrants who did straight-up karaoke entries and were thus overlooked. But only a little. Frankly, if someone has to explicitly spell out for you that you should try to be creative, you're probably not a very creative person to begin with.

I have to wonder if "300" fans find themselves mysteriously drawn to meatspin.com every couple days. :roll:

DarkNessBear

03-30-2007, 04:25 PM

I dont get why everyone complains about, "I bought a PS3 and im dissapointed all I can play is Resistance."

WELL you are dumb! DONT be complaining, you bought it for the future titles and content you'll be getting. DONT you read the forums? Just click on a PS3 forum and all you hear is bad press on it, isn't that an indicator not to purchase it?

"I hate Sony now, and the PS3 looks stupid. AND everyone on every forum complains about it... ill go get one!"

I dont get why people complain about the PS3 more than they do the Wii. I am dissapointed with my Wii, because I thought it was going to be really great. I look at all the forums for the Wii and its constant praise of its amazingness. And they I get it and the only games it has is a GC port and Cooking Mama that got boring in 3 days.

Don't be an idiot, if you are going out and spending so much money why not type in google, "PS3' and see how many PS3 hate websites there are...

Its like if everyone complains about a certain type of car, saying it doesnt work and its really slow and has 1 mile to the gallon and I go out and buy it and then I go, "This car is stupid! I waisted my money!" WELL duh, you should listen to the millions of people complaining about it initially.

I got a PS3. Why'd I get it? I got it so I can play all the old PS2 games I missed and the Blu Ray player as well as the slew of amazing titles on there way for it.

benjamouth

03-30-2007, 05:14 PM

I can't believe the racial bigotry that was displayed in this weeks CAGcast, I was born in the UK and would like to state that not all British people over enunciate words and not all British woman have large breasts (shame).

Joking apart though, you might want to tread a bit more cautiously on the racial sterotypes Cheapy, although that Indian accent from last week was quite amusing, people do find that stuff offensive.

Well I'm off for a cup of tea and a crumpet, I was so shocked at the "Big Breast Brit Bot" comment aimed at Layla Kayleigh, my monocle nearly fell out.

MaxDense

03-30-2007, 06:09 PM

I guess it makes sense that people stupid enough to start an online petition against Capcom for going multiplatform would misspell so many words.

I gotta disagree with Cheapy about 300, I thought it was terrific.

http://my.livecard.net/shinyb/MaxDense.png

H.Cornerstone

03-30-2007, 06:20 PM

Anyone know which day the Cheapy episode is with epeletic gaming?

felixlighter

03-30-2007, 07:03 PM

On the topic of Microsoft prohibiting free downloadable content:

The real issue here probably isn't Microsoft's cost to host the content, but rather the effect this would have on the perceived value of DLC in general. Look at it like this; currently developers see the Xbox Live Marketplace and DLC as another potential source of revenue to cover rising development costs or to simply make a larger profit on the games they make.

Now imagine if the developers of the higher profile and more successful titles (like Gears of War) decide they want to celebrate their success and thank their customers by giving away some substantial free DLC. This is great for the consumer, no if, ands, or buts about it. The problem now is, if the high profile developers routinely give away free content, the consumers are going to start to resist paying for any DLC, and worse yet for the developers, their customers are going to start expecting free content for all games. At that point, the Xbox Live Marketplace and DLC is no longer seen as a potential source of revenue; it is now a burden for the developers because they are now forced to develop more content, which will generate no further income, just to compete.

Think about it. If Epic releases a huge Gears of War expansion pack with modes and weapons and levels for free, how would you feel about paying for a few Call of Duty maps? It disrupts all Xbox Live micro-transaction pricing.

What's Microsoft solution to this huge gaping flaw in their micro-transaction system? They prohibit developers/publishers from releasing substantial DLC for free! That solution does fix the problem, as long as, their customers don't find out about it, but now that the cats out of the bag, Microsoft finds themselves in an awkward position.

trip1eX

03-30-2007, 10:21 PM

Now imagine if the developers of the higher profile and more successful titles (like Gears of War) decide they want to celebrate their success and thank their customers by giving away some substantial free DLC. This is great for the consumer, no if, ands, or buts about it. The problem now is, if the high profile developers routinely give away free content, the consumers are going to start to resist paying for any DLC, and worse yet for the developers, their customers are going to start expecting free content for all games. At that point, the Xbox Live Marketplace and DLC is no longer seen as a potential source of revenue; it is now a burden for the developers because they are now forced to develop more content, which will generate no further income, just to compete.

Think about it. If Epic releases a huge Gears of War expansion pack with modes and weapons and levels for free, how would you feel about paying for a few Call of Duty maps? It disrupts all Xbox Live micro-transaction pricing.

What's Microsoft solution to this huge gaping flaw in their micro-transaction system? They prohibit developers/publishers from releasing substantial DLC for free! That solution does fix the problem, as long as, their customers don't find out about it, but now that the cats out of the bag, Microsoft finds themselves in an awkward position.

That's a bunch of bs.

YOu don't have to make downloable content in the first place.

IF your game isn't popular then downloable content for it isn't going to sell anyway.

Free content can indirectly make you money. It boosts your reputation/brand name which helps sales now and in the future. It also increases the chances the consumer will hang onto your game (which means 1 less copy in the used game market that takes the place of a new sale.) I mean, after buying GEars of WAr, if you heard Epic say, 'Thank you for the purchase. Sales have been great. We are working on providing free content in the coming months for our customers.', would you be alot more likely to hang onto your game and not trade it in? I would.

YOur example is a poor one too. CoD sold quite well. They aren't hurting. If they want to charge money then they can and they'll probably make some. But really they can afford to give away some free content. And again if piss ass game #generic3 didn't sell in the first place then who is left to download their content?

Nah this is just a case of if you like a game then we bust your balls. WE milk you. We have two hands around your sack. MS wants to set this up to profit from every transaction like a retailer does. To be fair, it does cost something to store content and provide the bandwidth to the consumer. But not much.

What they should do is require you to have the disc in your 360 when you download the free content. A sort of 'forced' way of getting you to keep your new copy of the game and not trade it in yet.

Gshocker

03-31-2007, 01:34 AM

Another good one as usual.. I find your podcast to be one that I look forward to each week. Very down to earth and viewpoints that even if I don't agree I can see where you are coming from.

It sure was interesting to see the reactions here to the free content matter. I can see it from the Microsoft viewpoint as an owner of a hosting company even the small files can add up quick if millions of people grab it. It would be nice to get more free content . Of course one would think that a giant like Microsoft would show some good will and let us starved gamers have a bone in the form of a free like arcade title or two.

I am looking forward to knowing what the Japanes will think of the Elite unit. I know the current Xbox systems are not flying off the shelves so adding to the price I am guessing is not going to help to much.

Keep up the good work..

DarkNessBear

03-31-2007, 04:10 AM

Omg... you do look like that dude...

Holy crap...

The-Bavis

03-31-2007, 10:27 AM

As someone said, listening to that clip of Epileptic Games Radio reminded me why I listen to CDs of podccasts on my commute now instead of the Morning Breakfast Flakes Wacky Crew garbage. Ugh.

Also, I was entertained by Wombat's Coca-Cola Axe idea. Reminded me of the Darkened Skye game for the 'cube featuring the magical Skittles. I think X-Play said this game was actually decent, but I'm sure the Skittles tie-in was a HUGE turn-off, as it would be for me. So, maybe the experiment has already been tried and failed and we won't see that Axe of Refreshement real soon.

yukine

03-31-2007, 12:46 PM

I think its a good idea, an "Axe of Refreshment" isn't that bad, as long as it doesn't have the actual brand name "Coca-Cola" on it.

rlse9

03-31-2007, 12:48 PM

Great show, as always. It was nice to hear you spend some time actually covering the DS. I was about ready to complain about the lack of DS coverage, in spite of the fact that it's the best selling game system out there currently, there had been very little discussion about it in recent weeks.

The online petition thing is an absolute joke. Has an online petition ever actually done anything? And like you mentioned, I'm sure the majority of the people who signed it will buy the game anyway. And who cares if it's multi-platform? As long as it doesn't mean the version I end up playing isn't a crappy port, I really don't care if it's on other systems. People worry too much about crap like this instead of just enjoying the games.

Jackal888

03-31-2007, 03:06 PM

I would not mind a "Potion of Refreshment" if it just was a bottle with the coca- cola wave logo on it. Maybe it will raise stamina. The bottle will give you a +10 Stamina boost and the bottle refilled itself over time.Even better maybe a download for free quest to get the potion bottle . Maybe its only made in a village that is in a dangerous zone.

Tybee

03-31-2007, 10:30 PM

I think its a good idea, an "Axe of Refreshment" isn't that bad, as long as it doesn't have the actual brand name "Coca-Cola" on it.
How would that work, exactly?

"AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! YOU LOPPED OFF MY ARM!!!!!!!!!! Oh, it hurts! The agony! Wait...Wow...I'm bleeding to death, but my thirst is completely quenched!"

Technique

04-01-2007, 03:10 AM

Which episode (and part) of Epileptic Gaming is that Rail Fan segment from?

yukine

04-01-2007, 03:15 PM

How would that work, exactly?

"AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! YOU LOPPED OFF MY ARM!!!!!!!!!! Oh, it hurts! The agony! Wait...Wow...I'm bleeding to death, but my thirst is completely quenched!"
Precisely.

y2jedi

04-02-2007, 08:28 AM

Great show guys,

after having my iTunes download problem, I finally got the chance to listen to 69. I laughed harder during the Epileptic/Rail Fan segment than I did during last weeks Meatspin incident.

I was sitting at my son's baseball practice cackling my head head off while getting weird looks from other parents. But, that still wasn't as awkward as listening to the Meatspin saga while my daughter was having a swimming lesson at the YMCA.

Thanks for making me laugh so hard in public that other parents think I'm a freak.

:applause:

CheapyD

04-02-2007, 08:57 AM

Which episode (and part) of Epileptic Gaming is that Rail Fan segment from? http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=686944108

10 minutes in...

hufferstl

04-02-2007, 11:07 AM

Great CAGCast guys, keep up the good work.

I did lose some respect for Cheapy when he said that he likes Kevin Pereira. Biggest.Douche.Ever.

But then Cheapy totally redeems himself by re-mentioning "Stabbing with their love knife".

felixlighter

04-02-2007, 11:12 AM

trip1eX,

If the cost to host downloadable content is the motivating force behind Microsoft prohibiting free downloadable content, then explain why some of the most popular and largest downloads are free. I’m talking about trailers and demos. Why are they free? Because people expect them to be free and will refuse to pay for them. That is the situation Microsoft is trying to avoid with premium downloadable content. They do not want people to expect DLC to be free. I’m not trying to defend Microsoft; the way they handled the situation was wrong and now that the issue is public they are being forced to make the right decision. This is how the story was reported in Game Informer magazine:

"But is there something that Microsoft isn't telling us? Could there be significant free content available in the Market place that the company is withholding?

Game Informer spoke with multiple contacts within the industry about the process that publishers and developers have to go through to get their content on Xbox Live Marketplace. We also found out that there is free content that companies want to offer, but Microsoft's mandating that consumers pay for it.

When a publisher has goods it wants to put up for sale, those prices must first be
submitted to Microsoft. As part of an agreement with the company, publishers have signed a document that hands over final say to Microsoft regarding Market place pricing. From here, Microsoft takes a look at the market and prices items to maintain a balance among items of similiar value.

Game Informer talked to Aron Greenburg, Xbox Live/Xbox 360 group product manager who denied that Microsoft has final say over Market place pricing. "It's ultimitaly up to the publisher," he told us.

However, according to our sources, it's not up to publishers, and free content is being with held from consumers under the speculated motive of Microsoft wanting to make gamers accustomed to paying money for goods above and beyond wallpapers. Said one industry insider we talked to, "they want you in the store and they want you buying stuff that is at full price. "We've even been told that the rules of the game may vary depending on how much clout your company has with Microsoft.

Greenberg denied knowledge of any motive to restrict free content, but admitted that the company does indeed adjust download prices. "there may be some situation or unusual case where there's content that's significant in nature and it would make other content look out of line, but I'm not aware of any case where we've told them that they couldn't offer it for free."

I highlighted the important parts. Ultimately, it's about making as much money as possible from the Xbox Live Marketplace but prohibiting free content, more specifically, is a way to protect the customers perception of DLC's value in general.