ZACK & WIKI! 300k Sold! BUY!!! $29.99 Now! IGN: 9.0! 1UP: 9.0! NP: 9.0! GS: 8.5!

[Scrubking]

what the hell am I doing wrong?


Im fishing at that water slide level but the fish just jumps up and goes back to it's cave? I used the hint system but it tells me to fish. :bomb: I can't tell if Im doing something wrong fishing motion control wise or if Im doing something in the wrong order. I can't think of anything I should be doing before I fish though. Yes I have the worm on the hook.


Im not even far in and Im frustrated.

You have to bring the fish's health ALL the way down. It takes more than one try to do that.

[schuerm26]

Ha Ha, it took me 1 more try.


I didn't even see the health meter until you posted that.

[MarioColbert]

I talked to one of my best friends, who has been guilted by my shameless promotion of the video game into buying it. He's done with area 1, and we talked about the boss...


THERE ARE LEVELS CAPAPBLE OF ALTERNATE PATHS.

In other words, I've spent most of last night trying to discover new ways of beating the World 1 boss, apart from the two that we have discovered.

[Strell]

You got a Gamecrazy around there Strell? Mine actually had them up on the wall Thursday evening.

Nope. :(

[utopianmachine]

On the Icicle of Prosperity level, how do you bring down the huge icicle? I beat the level by shoving the small icicle into the ice block surrounding the treasure chest, then beating away at it for five minutes or so with the batbrella. Really anticlimatical that way.

And as far as the first boss goes, how do you beat it the alternate way? I beat it by sliding down the rope with the umbrella, then ringing the bell (I think that was it), then crashing down and grabbing the umbrella at the last second.

[MarioColbert]

On the Icicle of Prosperity level, how do you bring down the huge icicle? I beat the level by shoving the small icicle into the ice block surrounding the treasure chest, then beating away at it for five minutes or so with the batbrella. Really anticlimatical that way.

And as far as the first boss goes, how do you beat it the alternate way? I beat it by sliding down the rope with the umbrella, then ringing the bell (I think that was it), then crashing down and grabbing the umbrella at the last second.
The first Question is rather elementary:

The Huge icicle needs to be blown up. You start by driling it (mole-drill), then using the small icicle into the drilled cone, then hitting it with a hammer. Use the FROG BOMB and place it right INSIDE the damn hole, and it'll ALMOST bring down the chandelier. Use the saw to finish the job - and get mad points.

FROG BOMB: You get the frog with a Snake Grapple. However, you will notice that the frog jumps out of the way. Drop the snake grapple on the floor, and ring the bell to make it back into the snake, and watch the cutscene. If you need help with the mole drilla, or bull hammer, holla.

As for the second question, it's a hard one to answer.

Get saw, cut both rods off. Either anger the guy and/or go get the scale vase and throw it on the snake totem. Now, go inside and do the "make the water come down" puzzle. Cross to the right side of the stage. Ring your bell, and as soon as you hear the boss guy running, IMMEDIATELY go back into the cave. If you did it correctly, you'll see an animation of the boss guy being quite confused. Go up the stairs, ignore the chest for now, and come up super-close to the boss guy. Now, RING YOUR BELL AND DO NOT STOP UNTIL HE IS A TOTEM POLE. Then, just go on to the chest, and you're done!

[Tybee]

1 last complaint I have (aside from the analog stick control I posted earlier), I went in expecting a graphic adventure type game like Monkey Island, NOT set stages.

This really makes no difference to me now since it is great, but I wasn't expecting a set area like it is, I was expecting a story with wandering around. No biggie. Great game.

This is why I was discouraging everyone from calling this a "point-and-click adventure." Because while that's KIND OF true, in that you're pointing and clicking and solving adventure type puzzles, you're not doing it in the service of a detailed narrative and using a collection of items across the entire game. It's basically a collection of scenarios in which you start from scratch in each and have to figure out how to get the best outcome before moving on to the next.

I don't want people going into this game expecting Grim Fandango or Monkey Island and being disappointed. This game is good for different reasons.

[MarioColbert]

The way this game makes you use the wiimote is fucking incredible. Like when you have to rock the baby dragon in the fire boss level.

Seconded - that was the best use of Wiimote so far... Loved that boss battle big time. AND Boss 2. Boss 1 was allright, until I reliazed you can beat him DIFFERENTLY...

Z&W FTW.

[Tybee]

Murray! I love Murray. I shall await his arrival. I think I still have his arm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Murray3.gif

Okay, how many people saw Barbaros' skull the first time and thought, "MURRAY!!!"

[MarioColbert]

Okay, how many people saw Barbaros' skull the first time and thought, "MURRAY!!!"
Blinged out Murray? Barbaros is gold and has a mustache. You're being a skullracist by implying that all cranial creatures are somehow the same. You should stop.


See you at the klan rally later...


EDIT: Heh, the Monkey Island Community is on top of this game, apparently:

Z&W|vs|WorldOfMI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L7p2h2Lgpqg) (YouTube)

Eh, some of these are a stretch.

[Razzuel]

Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best Buy got their shipment in today.

Can't wait to play it.

[Snake2715]

This is why I was discouraging everyone from calling this a "point-and-click adventure." Because while that's KIND OF true, in that you're pointing and clicking and solving adventure type puzzles, you're not doing it in the service of a detailed narrative and using a collection of items across the entire game. It's basically a collection of scenarios in which you start from scratch in each and have to figure out how to get the best outcome before moving on to the next.

I don't want people going into this game expecting Grim Fandango or Monkey Island and being disappointed. This game is good for different reasons.

Ooh I did not know that... so it is a lot like Goblins in a sense.... Hmm...

[ihadFG]

My game just arrived from estarland. It shipped two days ago, so anyone who still can't find this game, estarland is a good choice.

[Wolfkin]

good lord it's getting so we should almost put the entire thread behind spoilers

[MarioColbert]

Ooh I did not know that... so it is a lot like Goblins in a sense.... Hmm...

D00d, I've been practically going GOBLIIINS GOBLIIINS GOBLIIINS about 10 pages ago! Where you been, man?

[Tybee]

Blinged out Murray? Barbaros is gold and has a mustache. You're being a skullracist by implying that all cranial creatures are somehow the same. You should stop.


See you at the klan rally later...


EDIT: Heh, the Monkey Island Community is on top of this game, apparently:

Z&W|vs|WorldOfMI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L7p2h2Lgpqg) (YouTube)

Eh, some of these are a stretch.

MC, I like you, but if you post one more Rick Roll, I'm going to found a campaign to have you banned.

[MarioColbert]

MC, I like you, but if you post one more Rick Roll, I'm going to found a campaign to have you banned.
I like you too, and I was getting Zen back for the hardcore RickRoll he did to me in that other thread. Sorry, Tybee, won't happen again.

EDIT: I bet you ruined it for Zen now, THANKS.

[Tybee]

We should not all have to suffer, just so you can visit revenge upon Zen (as much as he may deserve it).

Rick Rolls have gone from a cute gotcha to a blight on humanity and my tolerance for them is extremely low at this point. Of course, now I've guaranteed myself at least 8 more this week, I'm sure.

[Zen Davis]

I like you too, and I was getting Zen back for the hardcore RickRoll he did to me in that other thread. Sorry, Tybee, won't happen again.

EDIT: I bet you ruined it for Zen now, THANKS.

*BEEP BEEP*

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/ahmedmalik/rrbeepdt.jpg

[Snake2715]

D00d, I've been practically going GOBLIIINS GOBLIIINS GOBLIIINS about 10 pages ago! Where you been, man?

I didnt get why you said that... Thanks though!!!

I never really played goblins ( I had a demo of 2 or 3) I played the crap out of the demo.

I like the concept but was hoping for a full fledged treck through this world point n click style...

[MarioColbert]

I like the concept but was hoping for a full fledged treck through this world point n click style...

I don't know if this quote refers to Goblins games or Z&W. In any case, I should mention that Z&W does the genre justice, since its stages are excellent, and designed with an excellent feeling of "belonging" - Puzzle Dungeons FTW (go Ice Mansion on Twilight Princess!) thought Z&W does indeed stop after each one, very much in tune with the gameplay propelled by Gobliiins 1 (the first in the series). Additionally, Zack can only carry one item at a time - hauntingly similar to the item-carrier of Goblins 1.

As far as old games are concerned, I really loved the Goblins series - all three games are great. The latter two certainly take the puzzle routines into a more of an "adventure game setting" where the characters may roam relatively small areas quite freely in attempts to understand just what the hell is going on. In that respect, they resemble a proper adventure, in some ways moreso than Z&W.

I sincerely hope that you'll get to the ice world as soon as you possibly can - the latter stages are really excellent, and by that I mean that they take long enough to beat for them to feel less like stages and more like "large areas" of proper point'n'click goodness. Just saying.

[schuerm26]

I like the concept but was hoping for a full fledged treck through this world point n click style...

100 percent agree. I didn't realize that it would be broken up in to "stages". NOT that it makes it bad but I was expecting something else.

It is a fun game though.

[Dead of Knight]

This is the last game I thought there would be shortages for. Even Amazon ran out at one point.
No. I KNEW there would be shortages because this game is going to a sleeper hit and stores were too stupid to realize this.

Just order'd from Lamestop's website with SAVER.

[Zen Davis]

I expected stages but then again I read all the hands-on impressions.

[utopianmachine]

The ice area boss stage made me feel like an effing noob. I had to use three oracle dolls.

But how I love this game.

[Scrubking]

I prefer The Z&W format of small stages to a continuous game. It makes the game easier to play and if you get stuck you can just move onto another stage. You also know that everything you need to solve that stage is in that stage.

In older games you had to find some obscure statue in some hidden hut then walk for 10 minutes to the other side of the game and use it. If you didn't know where to use it too bad. You had to solve that puzzle or you couldn't move on.

[MarioColbert]

The ice area boss stage made me feel like an effing noob. I had to use three oracle dolls.

But how I love this game.

Do the oracle dolls actually help on that? Do they actually show you how to set up the mirrors for each time? Because that would be cheap... I loved that level, btw.

[Strell]

*slams head into desk*

*slams desk into head*

*head slam into desk*

*desk into slam head*

MY LOVE FOR YOU LIKE TICKING CLOCK

BERZEEEEEERRRKEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[chakan]

I hope Strell finds a copy soon.

[Zen Davis]

*slams head into desk*

*slams desk into head*

*head slam into desk*

*desk into slam head*

MY LOVE FOR YOU LIKE TICKING CLOCK

BERZEEEEEERRRKEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Are you okay?

[jer7583]

This game is full of quality. Strell's frustration humors me.

[The Crotch]

Any further posts by you will require a Visa Code. The required Visa Code for your next post is: Section 4 (C 22).

CAG'EM II
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forum security without the proper
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without bail, trial, or exception.

You didn't lose your Security System codebook, did you? Looks like you'll be spending the remainder of your days in the Katmandu jail.

;)


http://www.blog.thesietch.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/pict0020.thumbnail.jpg


Recognize this? You should. You forgot to pick it up at the very beginning of the game. Yes, I know that you're only about hour from completion, but I'm afraid you're going to have to start over. Better luck next time.

Bitch.

[botticus]

Well, I suck at this game, but it's nice enough to let me complete it even though I suck.

Icicle stage: I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get to that damn frog, which I'm assuming would have blown up the hanging icicle, so instead had to use a combination of saw, drill, and hammer over a ten minute period to manually bust the damn thing up.

[rgd2blck]

just wanted to chime in that i too was having a difficult time finding a copy at my local gamestop/best buy/circuit city/target/walmart, but i found several copies at fry's so don't forget to check there as well.

specifically, the fry's in fountain valley, ca, had copies next to mario party 8 - second shelf from the bottom. interesting alphabetical organization, but it goes along with the badlands image of fry's i guess.

[botticus]

IGN's Wiik in Review claims that Capcom is having trouble getting retailers to stock the game. Which is downright pathetic given that it's many times better than just about anything else on store shelves.

But on the same note, they said it will be in the Best Buy ad for next week, so it's a start.

[Scrubking]

Well, I suck at this game, but it's nice enough to let me complete it even though I suck.

Icicle stage: I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get to that damn frog, which I'm assuming would have blown up the hanging icicle, so instead had to use a combination of saw, drill, and hammer over a ten minute period to manually bust the damn thing up.

The game apparently has an adjustible difficulty so if you fail it makes things easier each progressive time. Or maybe it just randomizes certain stuff. I don't know. At the ice boss the mirror kept appearing in different spots everytime I died.

[utopianmachine]

Yeah, the Oracle dolls will show you exactly how to set up the mirrors. Which was useful for me, because I absolutely misinterpreted what I was supposed to do with them, thinking I had to make the two idol statues activate or something. Sometimes it seems I think too damn hard about the puzzles.

Do the oracle dolls actually help on that? Do they actually show you how to set up the mirrors for each time? Because that would be cheap... I loved that level, btw.

[KingBroly]

Stores in my area got it on Thursday. Target, Best Buy, GS/EB got between 1-8 copies. Most getting only 3 or 4.

I'd give it a solid 8.5 right now. Some of the control aspects are flimsy the first time through, and some need too much force. Seriously, best $40 you can spend on a game this year. PERIOD.

And I'll say that this game IS A NINTENDO GAME. The style in which embodies it is so like a Nintendo game it's scary. It's easy to pickup and play, easy to stop, something casuals and hardcores can like. It's not purely adventure, and it's not purely brain training. It's a good mixture of a game that Nintendo is trying to do. The best Nintendo game not made by Nintendo ever.

[buttle]

Well, I suck at this game, but it's nice enough to let me complete it even though I suck.

Icicle stage: I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get to that damn frog, which I'm assuming would have blown up the hanging icicle, so instead had to use a combination of saw, drill, and hammer over a ten minute period to manually bust the damn thing up.

i couldn't figure that part out either. i brought everything i could up to the top and couldn't figure out how to make it fall. i bashed the ice covered chest with the hammer mostly, it took forever.

[buttle]

death

i'm stuck on one of the volcano levels. the one with the machines you can ride. the part i can't figure out is at the very end. the hint system didn't have anything for me, the clown told me there was nothing left to do but collect the tresure. and everything i attempt leaves me dead. and going back through the whole level again and again is getting very frusterating.

how do you get more revive coins. do you buy them or are you supposed to find them. cause i haven't gotten any more then what i started with.

[botticus]

how do you get more revive coins. do you buy them or are you supposed to find them. cause i haven't gotten any more then what i started with.The hints and revives are purchased at the chick in the hideout. Back left corner.

[MarioColbert]

death

i'm stuck on one of the volcano levels. the one with the machines you can ride. the part i can't figure out is at the very end. the hint system didn't have anything for me, the clown told me there was nothing left to do but collect the tresure. and everything i attempt leaves me dead. and going back through the whole level again and again is getting very frusterating.

how do you get more revive coins. do you buy them or are you supposed to find them. cause i haven't gotten any more then what i started with.
Hey, buddy: sorry to hear it. I assume you want hints...

1. if you are dying because of LAVA, that's because you need to cover up Zack while riding underneath it.

2. Pick up the remains of the guy you killed with the block

3. The very end, eh... Okay, walk to the left, and three baddies will appear... You have a little MYST-like puzzle ahead of you.

4. You need to cut them off while providing a bridge for yourself, and you have three Tetris-Tees to control, you can rotate them all, and press the button to execute new rotation - the big red one in the middle.

5. SOLUTION: Rotate the top one so that it would look like this:

|-

Rotate the two bottom ones to look like this:

T T

And PRESS THE BUTTON to win all the points.

Proceed to the treasure chest.


GRANNY will sell you more Platinum Tickets, just like Botticus said.

Good luck with the boss level!

[mickeyp]

I love this game and my son loves it, he cleared the 1st 3 stages so far.

[MarioColbert]

I love this game and my son loves it, he cleared the 1st 3 stages so far.
How old is your son? The game gets seriously hard. Tell him that Uncle Colbert will send him a DVD full of LucasArts adventures for Christmas, if he is willing to try them.

And really - props on your parenting. My plan is:
have a daughter, 'cuz I want one
hide my top-notch systems from her, and show her EGA graphics, so that she'll beat all the oldschool stuff.
be all like "OMG THERE'S THIS 3D STUFF NOW, WANNA TRY THIS?"
show her new stuff
watch her breeze through new adventures, while wiping tears of PRIDE.
hmm, I wonder what my wife thinks about the name Beatrice Wankmeister.... I bet the middle-name's a no-no...

[mickeyp]

He is 6 years old. I was looking at some of the older adventure games, I wonder if he would like them, they are older , I wonder if they will play on my computer.

[mickeyp]

I hope it does not get too hard. Hopefully I can do them on my file, I'll try to do them then I can give him tiny hints to help but he gets mad if he does not do it himself.

[Zen Davis]

So do you guys think that you could do this game another console and keep the gameplay the same?

[MarioColbert]

So do you guys think that you could do this game another console and keep the gameplay the same?

Scrubking posted a while ago regarding one particular use of the Wiimote. I second that very one - gimmick or not, I could not care less. You can't help but smile while doing it - it's one of the most sincerely adorable things I've ever done in a video game, and only a severe homophobe (or twitchy HALOhead that can not enjoy a game unless he/she is killing something every five seconds) could find it in themselves to be hateful towards it.

If you have the game, don't look at Scrub's spoiler - find out for yourself.

As far as other consoles go... It wouldn't control in the same way - not point - and - click style. I do have some issues with the pathfinding (both LucasArts and Sierra have nailed the need of obsessive/compuslive adventurers to click a lot, though I'm learning to hold down the A button while gently moving the Wii Remote to where Zack needs to go, but it still sucks when he's swimming). I would love to see a PS3 adventure title, with proper polish, gorgeous graphics, and large-scale "take your breath away" design.

But honestly, I'd love to see a simplistic 2D point-and-clicker on the Wii. I really hope Broken Sword 1 & 2 would get ported, mostly because I love the developers and their Nintendo fanboyism. That, and because it would be in their interest to do just that.


Oh, we LOVE the Wii.

Yes, Tony of Revolution Software, so do we.

Case in point:
http://www.mixnmojo.com/galleries/288/full20061230224645.jpg

[The Crotch]

Should try the kid on Full Throttle some time. It's got good humour and is a good deal easier than a lot of other adventure games.

[Strell]

YOU KNOW WHAT, TOYS R US?

YOU CAN HAVE A NICE BUFFET OF 2 LITER COCK UP THE ASS TOO.

I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO ADD YOU TO THE PARTY, BUT YOU FORCED MY F*CKING HAND.

UGH.

[MarioColbert]

YOU KNOW WHAT, TOYS R US?

YOU CAN HAVE A NICE BUFFET OF 2 LITER COCK UP THE ASS TOO.

I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO ADD YOU TO THE PARTY, BUT YOU FORCED MY F*CKING HAND.

UGH.

This thread: <3
Strell: MAD AS FUCK because he can't get the game.

I firmly believe that this game enjoyed on a global scale would cause World Peace, except for that whole Israel vs. Palestine shit, 'cuz even when I joke I try to be a bit realistic.

[Zen Davis]

YOU KNOW WHAT, TOYS R US?

YOU CAN HAVE A NICE BUFFET OF 2 LITER COCK UP THE ASS TOO.

I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO ADD YOU TO THE PARTY, BUT YOU FORCED MY F*CKING HAND.

UGH.

Do it Strell. Kill the puppies! They have all the copies of Zack and Wiki hidden in their stomachs. Use your wiimote to dig them out. DO IT. DO IT!

[Strell]

BRING ME SOME GODDAMN PANCAKES

[The Crotch]

...

Starcraft, Strell?

[MarioColbert]

The last two entried of this thread make it best thread ever.

Because I said so.

So it is written.

God damn!


You know what's aweome about Z&W? If you're stuck you can still play OTHER THINGS in it... Just saying...

[Strell]

...

Starcraft, Strell?

YES

[The Crotch]

My desk has so many Far Side calendar pages and empty Skittle bags I almost couldn't find the disk...

[buttle]

i didn't realize that i could do anything once i went down to that lower platform. the first time i got killed so fast, i tried doing something else and never went back. thanks.

[MarioColbert]

buttle - anytime...

now... I'm looking for the following:


Treasure Maps: 2, 4, and 5.
More "Jukebox Pirates" locations.
The ones I know of are listed in a separate Spoiler below.


DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING SPOILER UNLESS YOU WANT TO KNOW ITS CONTENTS (see Spoiler 1):

World 1:
The Gremlin Flute Level (behind the totem that has the treasure)
The Fountain Guardian Level (on the bottom of the drainable lake)
World 2:
The Mighty Icicle level (on the way to the mighty icicle) - does NOT give you a map...
World 3:
The mountain level that buttle was talking about (the one where you ride things) - it resides peacefully on your way down.


Man, I've never liked collecting shit in a game before.

EDIT: !!! GAME IS AWESOME. (CAN'T EVEN SPOIL IT FOR YOU!)

[mickeyp]

Where would I get these older adventure games for pc?

[Scrubking]

buttle - anytime...

now... I'm looking for the following:


Treasure Maps: 2, 4, and 5.
More "Jukebox Pirates" locations.
The ones I know of are listed in a separate Spoiler below.



I've been looking for those as well.

[botticus]

Got through about half of the volcano area, pretty much figured everything out on my own so far, yay.

[meerkatgamer]

I've been doing pretty good on the puzzles i'm on the last ice one i'm having a hard time figuring it out hopefully tonight once I get done with some things i'll be able to figure it out.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

As a pretty serious adventure fan I'm a bit dissapointed with this game so far. Based on the title I wasn't exactly expecting Tim Schafer or Ron Gilbert levels of writing here, but it would be generous to call this games script even mediocre. It's actually quite poor.

Secondly, the controls hinder the game more than they help, in my opinion. I liked playing the wiimote like a flute, and sawing was kind of fun, but for the most part the controls are finnicky and unresponsive. It's especially frustrating when you lose points for using the right item, but the wrong end of it because the controls are innacurate.

And finally, I can't for the life of me understand why they chose to use the old-fashioned "lives" system. Unlimited continues have been the norm for well over a decade now (and have always been the norm in adventure games), so the concept of having to buy continues is a just plain awful design choice. As is the fact that you can make it so you cannot progress through a level by using up an item. There should at least be a message that pops up telling you this, so you'd know when to restart.

Otherwise the game is quite good based on the puzzles alone. I just finished the set of ice levels and they're getting better as they go. I especially like the concept of having multiple solutions to the same puzzle. It's still a fun game and a nice throwback to a mostly forgotten genre, but in a year where we've had Portal, Tomb Raider: Anniversary, and Phantom Hourglass, Zack and Wiki isn't even among the best adventure games of 2007.

[buttle]

As a pretty serious adventure fan I'm a bit dissapointed with this game so far. Based on the title I wasn't exactly expecting Tim Schafer or Ron Gilbert levels of writing here, but it would be generous to call this games script even mediocre. It's actually quite poor.

Secondly, the controls hinder the game more than they help, in my opinion. I liked playing the wiimote like a flute, and sawing was kind of fun, but for the most part the controls are finnicky and unresponsive. It's especially frustrating when you lose points for using the right item, but the wrong end of it because the controls are innacurate.

And finally, I can't for the life of me understand why they chose to use the old-fashioned "lives" system. Unlimited continues have been the norm for well over a decade now (and have always been the norm in adventure games), so the concept of having to buy continues is a just plain awful design choice. As is the fact that you can make it so you cannot progress through a level by using up an item. There should at least be a message that pops up telling you this, so you'd know when to restart.

Otherwise the game is quite good based on the puzzles alone. I just finished the set of ice levels and they're getting better as they go. I especially like the concept of having multiple solutions to the same puzzle. It's still a fun game and a nice throwback to a mostly forgotten genre, but in a year where we've had Portal, Tomb Raider: Anniversary, and Phantom Hourglass, Zack and Wiki isn't even among the best adventure games of 2007.

hu, i don't know if you can really compare point and click adventure games with other adventure games. they're just so different.

the lives system bugged me early on, but i've gotten use to it. i'm usually able to get to where i was pretty quick, and revive coins are reasonably cheap.

and i like the motion controls. i see why some people wouldn't. most of the time it's just silly waggle. but i haven't had any trouble with them being unresponsive. and there are certain situations where the motions add a lot more possibilities of how to use a tool. which makes it a lot more likely that you'll get stuck. and getting stuck is what these games are all about.

[sonderiaom]

Grrr, I'm stuck at the last level. I'm at the last level, "return of the legend", and when they damn bells are sucking you, I can get past the first two times, but the third, there's no indication of which one won't suck you in. Anybody have any assistance?

edit: NVM I just wasn't able to properly SEE the difference.

[MarioColbert]

As a pretty serious adventure fan I'm a bit dissapointed with this game so far.

...

It's still a fun game and a nice throwback to a mostly forgotten genre, but in a year where we've had Portal, Tomb Raider: Anniversary, and Phantom Hourglass, Zack and Wiki isn't even among the best adventure games of 2007.

I respectfully disagree.

I don't understand people bitching about platinum tickets. I guess I don't die nearly enough. Not only have I not been frustrated with it, but in light of titles like Gobliiins - when you screw up it's forever - Zack & Wiki is nowhere near as frustrating (Gobliiins makes you replay the entire GAME).

I found the game to be a "god send" and the more I get into it, the more I am reminded that it does not have a rival. Grated, everyone in here would give me a lot of shit for praising Z&W as one of the best p'n'c adventure titles, because it isn't REALLY a p'n'c' adventure - it's a p'n'c puzzle game, and because there is almost no story during the first part of the game...

But let me break it down for you: good luck being all like "whatever" after world 3.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

hu, i don't know if you can really compare point and click adventure games with other adventure games. they're just so different.

the lives system bugged me early on, but i've gotten use to it. i'm usually able to get to where i was pretty quick, and revive coins are reasonably cheap.

and i like the motion controls. i see why some people wouldn't. most of the time it's just silly waggle. but i haven't had any trouble with them being unresponsive. and there are certain situations where the motions add a lot more possibilities of how to use a tool. which makes it a lot more likely that you'll get stuck. and getting stuck is what these games are all about.

I normally wouldn't compare a point and click affair to an action adventure title(thus comparing it to Phantom Hourglass was perhaps stretching it a bit), but I felt like Portal and Tomb Raider: Anniversary had a pretty equal puzzle to real-time reflex ratio as Z&W. All three of these titles are roughly 95% puzzles with only a pinch of reflex based action thrown in to spice things up. As long as the puzzles are the meat of the adventure I don't think it matters if it's point and click, 2D, 3D, first or third person, etc. In fact, perhaps the reason I was so fascinated with Tomb Raider: Anniversary and Portal was because they managed to create an "oldschool" adventure/puzzler game with perspectives more commonly associated with platformers and shooters.

[Dr Mario Kart]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/984/zw1ka4.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6155/zw2eu2.jpg

If you like. Others at sig link.

[MarioColbert]

CIVIL WAR:

I'm with Dr. Mario Kart!

Thanks, man, I really appreciate it.

[Snake2715]

Durand I had no idea Tomb raider Anniversay was a puzzle game? I wil have to look a little closer. I figured it was a compilation... I really need to stop judging things by their cover title.

[MarioColbert]

Did anyone beat the damn game yet?

[Zen Davis]

I did.

Johnny Styles betrays you and he ends up dying like that dude from Indiana Jones died when he betrayed Indy and got caught on the spikes - except Johnny Styles falls in a pit. You end up escaping through the rubble as the skull tells you this secret route out of the collapsing temple and you run away with the skull. However Zack trips and he drops the skull and as Zack turns to grab it part of the temple caves in and crushes Barbaros' skull in half. Wiki tells you to hurry and so you continue running and at the end of the tunnel there is a light. Zack and Wiki run and jump and when they wake up outside, they see the treasure they were looking for. FADE TO BLACK.

[schuerm26]

Did anyone beat the damn game yet?

Not I. I got stuck at some s--t and went back to playing power pros for awhile.

If any system can top Zack and Wiki and Power Pros in the span of a couple weeks, it's a good system.

Halo 3 and Half-Life don't count because I get motion sickness :lol: .


Edit: Speaking of Indiana Jones. I heard that guy from Transformers (it was either him or the guy from Alpha Dog, I think it was Transformers/Disturbia though) was playing a young Indiana Jones in the new one. Didn't we already have a young Indiana Jones in the Holy Grail (which I think was River Phoenix who is now dead)? Just wondering how they will explain the physical differneces, or if they will at all.

Wasn't there a Young Indiana Jones TV show also?

Edit 2: Does anyone think there will be a remake of the Tales from the Crypt TV series?

Edit 3: If anyone on here likes Angels and Airwaves, wait until you hear Song #1 on the new album. Good s00t.

Edit 4: Actually the whole album is real good (much better than the 1st), but #1 is a great song.

[Snake2715]

my wife digs angels and airwves I forgot they were releasing a new song. actually as much as I would classify them in with all this other new pop/rock bs. I really do enjoy their music. whens it drop?

[Tybee]

Edit: Speaking of Indiana Jones. I heard that guy from Transformers (it was either him or the guy from Alpha Dog, I think it was Transformers/Disturbia though) was playing a young Indiana Jones in the new one. Didn't we already have a young Indiana Jones in the Holy Grail (which I think was River Phoenix who is now dead)? Just wondering how they will explain the physical differneces, or if they will at all.
Nope. Shia LaBouef IS in "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," but he plays the son of Indy and Marian (Karen Allen, the BEST INDY LEADING LADY, who will also be in the movie), not young Indy. The movie is set in the 50s or 60s, and the bad guys are the Russians.

Wasn't there a Young Indiana Jones TV show also?
Yup! And by sheer coincidence, they just came out on DVD a week or two ago.

http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Young-Indiana-Jones-One/dp/B000VDDDVE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0723418-8639269?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1193549042&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Young-Indiana-Jones-Vol/dp/B000W4TGIQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-0723418-8639269?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1193549042&sr=8-2

[KhaosX]

Just got this game today at best buy. Loving it after the first set of stages and half way through the 2nd set (ice stages). Only used one revive on the first boss at the very end.

[Legolas813]

Amazon sent me an email saying my preorder is delayed until mid-November.

[MarioColbert]

Only used one revive on the first boss at the very end.

Oh, that will change, I assure you. :)

[MarioColbert]

Halo 3 and Half-Life don't count because I get motion sickness :lol: .

They have pills for that, you know...

[schuerm26]

my wife digs angels and airwves I forgot they were releasing a new song. actually as much as I would classify them in with all this other new pop/rock bs. I really do enjoy their music. whens it drop?

Nov 6th I think

[eugaet]

MarioColbert, you were the one who brought up the Gobliiins series, yes? Right on the fucking money. Just wanted to say.

Since starting yesterday I've cleared the first area (bouncing between Z&W, Guild Wars, and GHIII right now). I'm going to try to brute force my way through it, no revives, no tickets. So far so good...but we'll see how long I last before I shatter.

My son likes the game a lot, but he's a southpaw, so he's having a little trouble adapting to some of the wiimote grips. Any lefties trying to play this w/ their dominant hand?

[MarioColbert]

Just made it to the first level with the difficulty rating of 10 stars.

The intro "flythrough" of the level is amazing. GOTY*. Go buy it.


*one of them, certainly.

[MarioColbert]

MarioColbert, you were the one who brought up the Gobliiins series, yes? Right on the fucking money. Just wanted to say.

Since starting yesterday I've cleared the first area (bouncing between Z&W, Guild Wars, and GHIII right now). I'm going to try to brute force my way through it, no revives, no tickets. So far so good...but we'll see how long I last before I shatter.

My son likes the game a lot, but he's a southpaw, so he's having a little trouble adapting to some of the wiimote grips. Any lefties trying to play this w/ their dominant hand?
Yes, it's very much Gobliiins + Goblins3/GQ3. In any case, I really love the game, and I wish you best of luck beating it without revives or hints. I will say that there are moments where you will die - the game sort of teaches you what things do that way...

I've taken a break from the straight-forward gameplay and mined treasures while searching for all the skull heads for a while. I wasn't as successful as I would like to be, though my books are quite decently filling up.

I have to send my Wii in for repairs tomorrow, and I really want to beat it prior to it.... Not likely, all things considered, but fun times nonetheless.


I'm very glad others are enjoying this amazing title as much as I am - you people are the reason why I'm not nearly as pessimistic as I ought to be in the world where HALO sells trijizibukakkezillion copies.




EDIT: THAT 10 STAR LEVEL IS AMAZING.

[eugaet]

I wish you best of luck beating it without revives or hints. I will say that there are moments where you will die - the game sort of teaches you what things do that way...Yeah, there's a lot of trial and error death involved. Having a great time, though.

[MarioColbert]

It's still less frustrating than some of the deaths is Space Quest game, and it's less frustrating than the stupid gold-life-line of Goibliiins.

Man, the level I am playing right now is mustard. The game is like this:


world 1: ooh, fun, puzzles!
world 2: shit, these are pretty neat
world 3: ooooh!
world 4: BAD ASS!!!
world 5: OMG... These are fucking creative
world 6: Take that!
world 7: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Capcom wins.

[botticus]

My son likes the game a lot, but he's a southpaw, so he's having a little trouble adapting to some of the wiimote grips. Any lefties trying to play this w/ their dominant hand?For some things (like handle cranks), I switch to my right hand, but stuff like levers and the like I can do fine with my left hand. It would probably be more comfortable with my right hand, but it's serviceable.

[MarioColbert]

CALLING ALL CAGs:

Where are you in Z&W?
Which level was the best so far?
Which was the most frustrating?

A friendly reminder to use spoiler tags.

[Scrubking]

Can someone just tell me how to beat the treasure island level? The dolls are costing me over a grand now, and I'm about to break something.

[botticus]

CALLING ALL CAGs:

Where are you in Z&W?
Which level was the best so far?
Which was the most frustrating?

A friendly reminder to use spoiler tags.I have two stages left in the volcano area.

Most frustrating was the stage in the ice level with the mirrors - boss level? I don't know why as when I finally beat it, it seemed so obvious. I think I failed to recognize that the holder directly in front of the cannon broke the pattern of orientation, so it seemed impossible otherwise.

Best level... I think I'd go with the stage in the fire level with the winding path, robots and the like. Probably because it had some cool features and is most fresh in my mind.

[MarioColbert]

Can someone just tell me how to beat the treasure island level? The dolls are costing me over a grand now, and I'm about to break something.

Sorry, no solution yet:

I'm fighting mega Barbaros and his fucking alligator hands. Awesome, though....

[buttle]

CALLING ALL CAGs:

Where are you in Z&W?
Which level was the best so far?
Which was the most frustrating?

A friendly reminder to use spoiler tags.

i'm on the ship, i'm almost there but can't figure out this last part. and i don't want to use hints on this one.

favorite level. so far, this ship level though i haven't figured it out yet. i also liked the tennis racket level quite a bit.

and most frusterating. the lava level with the robots. i somehow didn't figure out that you could control the spinning Ts with the thing in the bottom left corner. and so i kept doing the the long long level and being killed by the robots. and then i was doing everything but going to that lower left area. so frusterating.

[MarioColbert]

Oh yeah, I guess I should answer my own question:

I'm far ahead in the game, so... You've been warned.

Right now I am fighting giant ass Barbaros with alligator arms. Or, should I say: working on some shit that needs to be presented tomorrow at 10, so I'm not playing Z&W, alhtough I really want to...

Do not read below if you haven't gone through 4th and 5th worlds:

Favorite part:
Totally a tie between the art gallery level and the mirror one. There is another level that is outside of competition due to its bad-assery, but I won't mention that one, because of how late it is in the game.

Stuck the worst on:
There were two moments of my absolute stupidity. The first time was the dragon boss - I activated everything (hammer and water statues) and could not get the dragon to actually attack the damn hammer - I though that pissing off the baby would do the trick. Don't ask why I didn't ring the damn bell - I'm not Game&Watch, I don't roll like that. The second time was my inability to dilure the chemical solution in Mad Scientist level... As you can see I play pretty much without hints, so I don't know what's up with that. I did use a couple during Barbaros' Land level - that fucking torch, goddamn.



Buttle: airship or sea ship?

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'll have you know that even though I have not purchased this just yet, I did get a friend to who did not know about it. I also told some random dude who was looking at it at Best Buy that it was good.

[MarioColbert]

Thanks, Dr. Mario Kart - that's quite awesome of you.


Okay, I need to know this:

HOW THE MOTHERFUCK DO YOU THROW THE ANCHOR AT BARBAROS IN THE FINAL STAND LEVEL OF TREASURE ISLAND WORLD? I SPIN IT ROUND ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND LIKE A RECORD BABY ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND, BUT I CANNOT FUCKING THROW IT... BULLSHIT!

Scrubking: Did you mean Barbaros' Land part of Treasure Island Level?

If so:


1. pull the ring, as Zack begins to drop down, click on the grate that is below him and he will save himself from spiky death.
2. pick up the golden chalice, jump on the elevator.
3. pick up the vase and kill the guard below.
4. pick up the golden chalice and walk left to the weird state room. wait for the eye to close, and proceed left. stand on a button and fill the golden chalice with golden sand. back track to the right.
5. stand on the edge of the screen (click on it for a new screen), and when the wind blows directly away from you, spill the golden sand - this should now shut the eye that is all laying on its side and shit.
6. drop the chalice, and backtrack to the left room, click on the skull to pick it up, rotate it so that the eyehoes point towards the ground and shake it. pick up the lighter, and return to the previous room.
7. go to the little circle to be all sideways, and carefully trek your way towards the next platform. pick up the little pot to reveal a snake inside - can't do shit about the snake, so take the ladder up and cross over to the right side. (if a baddy is coming your way, imitate a standing statue by pickng up a pot from the little platform. or run.)
8. if you want full points, use B to ensure that there is a guy directly below you and drop the huge-ass boulah on him. otherwsie, just drop the bouldah without murder - if you don't care about the points, that is. get all sideways and walk down and then left until you reach the rope. next to the rope is the torch...
9. light the torch with the lighter - swing the wiimote to open it, use the directional pad to light it (i know, it's fucked up). the frog should jump up on its platform.
10. if you already droped the huge boulder, go grab a piece of gravel it left behind, otherwise proceed backwards to the boulder in step 8.
11. aiight, get all up ins while sideways and notice the cross with three BARBAROS' panels: go to the one on the left and you should see the snake below you. drop the stone on its head, compensate for the wind!
12. while pulling stealth shit Snake style, (as in: don't get caught by Barbaros' men), walk over to the sword and pick it up (it's below the panel for snake-violence). return to the panel with the snake.
13. drop the knocked-out snake into the hole in the panel, and the frog will make its way towards the Barbaros' place.
NOTE: if you want to try the uber-hard sword-to-sword combat, walk over to the Barbaros' after lighting the torch but before ensuring that the frog is in place. golden swords will break, iron one will not - good luck getting all the points there. also, don't fight the guy before step 19, unless you want to fight twice...
14. instead of returning downward, walk to the CROSS described above (step 11- top of sideways paths) and walk to its right side. Cut the rope there with your bad ass sword.
15. this is fucked up, but if you want all the points, go down the newly cut rope and attept to cross over. you will fall on your ass. whether you do this or not, you will have to backtrack to the elevator room (if you don't fall on your ass, however, you don't get mad points for picking up the pole!). take the elevator up and get the pole that is on the right side of that platform (where you blew the sand into the eye).
16. with the pole, walk over to the cut rope, climb down, and cross the rope tight-rope-walker-texas-ranger-style. awesome.
17. grab the fan and use it to propel the little boat back into the landmass, all the treasure will fall down below, because you rocked the boat too hard.
18. go grab the treasure below. grab the crown to register it, but what you're really after the bell. walk over to the left side, where the rope is, and drop it on the ground a little ways away from the rope.
19. go fight the guy on the bridge (make sure you have a proper sword) - if applicable, or just attempt to cross (if it's your first time on the bridge). Barbaros will ring the bell, and make the frog into a bomb.
20. pull the rope to make Barbaros fall on his dick. He'll pick up the wrong bell, because he is an idiot.
21. pick up the right bell (because you're smart) and ting-a-ling his dumb ass into a golden state. congrats - that's part ONE.
22. get a guy of his (he should be in a totem state) and give yourself a lift up the ladder, make the snake into the grabber, and return to the prison cells.
23. make your friends into totems by ringin' yo bell G&W style, use the grabber to pull the ring, and they're saved (almost)
24. go down to where they are, make them into humans (whatever they are) and then pull the lever and you're done!

AA. The MONEYZ BIRD is on the second level of the elevator, and you can choose to grab it when you're on your way to the cell.
BB. You can make all the Barbaros' men you haven't killed yet into Totems with your bell.
CC. That level is THE AWESOME.

SWEET!

[Strell]

SALVATION.

[Scrubking]

Thanks, Dr. Mario Kart - that's quite awesome of you.


Okay, I need to know this:

HOW THE MOTHERFUCK DO YOU THROW THE ANCHOR AT BARBAROS IN THE FINAL STAND LEVEL OF TREASURE ISLAND WORLD? I SPIN IT ROUND ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND LIKE A RECORD BABY ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND, BUT I CANNOT FUCKING THROW IT... BULLSHIT!

Scrubking: Did you mean Barbaros' Land part of Treasure Island Level?

If so:


1. pull the ring, as Zack begins to drop down, click on the grate that is below him and he will save himself from spiky death.
2. pick up the golden chalice, jump on the elevator.
3. pick up the vase and kill the guard below.
4. pick up the golden chalice and walk left to the weird state room. wait for the eye to close, and proceed left. stand on a button and fill the golden chalice with golden sand. back track to the right.
5. stand on the edge of the screen (click on it for a new screen), and when the wind blows directly away from you, spill the golden sand - this should now shut the eye that is all laying on its side and shit.
6. drop the chalice, and backtrack to the left room, click on the skull to pick it up, rotate it so that the eyehoes point towards the ground and shake it. pick up the lighter, and return to the previous room.
7. go to the little circle to be all sideways, and carefully trek your way towards the next platform. pick up the little pot to reveal a snake inside - can't do shit about the snake, so take the ladder up and cross over to the right side. (if a baddy is coming your way, imitate a standing statue by pickng up a pot from the little platform. or run.)
8. if you want full points, use B to ensure that there is a guy directly below you and drop the huge-ass boulah on him. otherwsie, just drop the bouldah without murder - if you don't care about the points, that is. get all sideways and walk down and then left until you reach the rope. next to the rope is the torch...
9. light the torch with the lighter - swing the wiimote to open it, use the directional pad to light it (i know, it's fucked up). the frog should jump up on its platform.
10. if you already droped the huge boulder, go grab a piece of gravel it left behind, otherwise proceed backwards to the boulder in step 8.
11. aiight, get all up ins while sideways and notice the cross with three BARBAROS' panels: go to the one on the left and you should see the snake below you. drop the stone on its head, compensate for the wind!
12. while pulling stealth shit Snake style, (as in: don't get caught by Barbaros' men), walk over to the sword and pick it up (it's below the panel for snake-violence). return to the panel with the snake.
13. drop the knocked-out snake into the hole in the panel, and the frog will make its way towards the Barbaros' place.
NOTE: if you want to try the uber-hard sword-to-sword combat, walk over to the Barbaros' after lighting the torch but before ensuring that the frog is in place. golden swords will break, iron one will not - good luck getting all the points there. also, don't fight the guy before step 19, unless you want to fight twice...
14. instead of returning downward, walk to the CROSS described above (step 11- top of sideways paths) and walk to its right side. Cut the rope there with your bad ass sword.
15. this is fucked up, but if you want all the points, go down the newly cut rope and attept to cross over. you will fall on your ass. whether you do this or not, you will have to backtrack to the elevator room (if you don't fall on your ass, however, you don't get mad points for picking up the pole!). take the elevator up and get the pole that is on the right side of that platform (where you blew the sand into the eye).
16. with the pole, walk over to the cut rope, climb down, and cross the rope tight-rope-walker-texas-ranger-style. awesome.
17. grab the fan and use it to propel the little boat back into the landmass, all the treasure will fall down below, because you rocked the boat too hard.
18. go grab the treasure below. grab the crown to register it, but what you're really after the bell. walk over to the left side, where the rope is, and drop it on the ground a little ways away from the rope.
19. go fight the guy on the bridge (make sure you have a proper sword) - if applicable, or just attempt to cross (if it's your first time on the bridge). Barbaros will ring the bell, and make the frog into a bomb.
20. pull the rope to make Barbaros fall on his dick. He'll pick up the wrong bell, because he is an idiot.
21. pick up the right bell (because you're smart) and ting-a-ling his dumb ass into a golden state. congrats - that's part ONE.
22. get a guy of his (he should be in a totem state) and give yourself a lift up the ladder, make the snake into the grabber, and return to the prison cells.
23. make your friends into totems by ringin' yo bell G&W style, use the grabber to pull the ring, and they're saved (almost)
24. go down to where they are, make them into humans (whatever they are) and then pull the lever and you're done!

AA. The MONEYZ BIRD is on the second level of the elevator, and you can choose to grab it when you're on your way to the cell.
BB. You can make all the Barbaros' men you haven't killed yet into Totems with your bell.
CC. That level is THE AWESOME.

SWEET!

Thank you very much. That's what I needed.

[MarioColbert]

Thank you very much. That's what I needed.

Any time, if you figure out HOW THE FUCK TO THROW THE GOD DAMN ANCHOR, I'd appreciate it... I figured out the whole of the fucking next level, and I did it by accident somehow the first time around... I can't do it now, though I know what to do in the segment which follows. BULLSHIT.

Strell: Congrats.

[Tricky]

I bought ZACK & WIKI at Gamestop in the mall this morning.

[MarioColbert]

I bought ZACK & WIKI at Gamestop in the mall this morning.

You chose.... Wisely.

[eugaet]

SALVATION.Nice. Congratulations! :applause:

I was enjoying all the hateful postings, though. ;)

[Zen Davis]

SALVATION.

And all was right with the world.

[chakan]

SALVATION.
'bout damn time.

Enjoy the fruits of your search.

[MarioColbert]

Damn, Strell, I wish I had your ratings. :]

[The Crotch]

You chose.... Wisely.So that's why there was a skeleton clutching a copy of Carnival Games...

[MarioColbert]

So that's why there was a skeleton clutching a copy of Carnival Games...

Yeah, didn't you notice the nazi logo and trademark?

[Cambot]

I want to play this game, but I have a feeling it's best to hold off for a while. This seems like one of those games that are really good, but no one seems to want to buy (Lke Beyond Good and Evil).

Prediction: $19.99 by the end of winter '08

[botticus]

I want to play this game, but I have a feeling it's best to hold off for a while. This seems like one of those games that are really good, but no one seems to want to buy (Lke Beyond Good and Evil).

Prediction: $19.99 by the end of winter '08Did they undership BG&E? Saw two copies at Best Buy, so that either means it's moving well or they didn't get any more than that.

[MarioColbert]

I want to play this game, but I have a feeling it's best to hold off for a while. This seems like one of those games that are really good, but no one seems to want to buy (Lke Beyond Good and Evil).

Prediction: $19.99 by the end of winter '08
The Crotch - do you have a nuke I may borrow? PM please, I'll leave good iTrader feedback.

As much as I adore Houston, CAMBOT AND THAT TRAFFIC ARE BOTH GOING DOWN.

[Zen Davis]

I want to play this game, but I have a feeling it's best to hold off for a while. This seems like one of those games that are really good, but no one seems to want to buy (Lke Beyond Good and Evil).

Prediction: $19.99 by the end of winter '08

Buy it goddamn it and support good games!

[The Crotch]

The Crotch - do you have a nuke I may borrow? PM please, I'll leave good iTrader feedback.

As much as I adore Houston, CAMBOT AND THAT TRAFFIC ARE BOTH GOING DOWN.Yeah, but I'm not gonna lie to you... I tried something like this once. Do you have any idea what the customs duties are on this sort of thing?

[Cambot]

Buy it goddamn it and support good games!
Damn, what website is this again?

ProdigalAssGamer?

And as I don't come from Houston, you can nuke this shit hole into the last millennium (just give me 12 hours' notice).

EDIT: Just kidding, NSA.

[MarioColbert]

EDIT: Just kidding, NSA.

NSA = Nasty South Assasins? H-town? Represent?

No, that shit is from Lousiana and it SUCKS.

[The Crotch]

NSA = Northwest/National Secessionist Army.

[MarioColbert]

NSA = Northwest/National Secessionist Army.

I hear their turnover is pretty high...

[Zen Davis]

Damn, what website is this again?

ProdigalAssGamer?

And as I don't come from Houston, you can nuke this shit hole into the last millennium (just give me 12 hours' notice).

EDIT: Just kidding, NSA.

Don't fuck with me man. I know Hannah Montana!

[EXStrike]

This arrived today. :D Fired it up, and I'm stuck at the Jungle King. Gonna go at it again later tonight, trying really hard not to use a hint.

[The Crotch]

This is as good a place as any to ask...

Strell, how went the great Fraternity Pumpkin Hunt of 2007?

[MarioColbert]

This is as good a place as any to ask...

Strell, how went the great Fraternity Pumpkin Hunt of 2007?

I'll let Strell his own stories himself, but he did say that he DID steal a pumpkin and that he felt MANLY.

He told me that over the phone, though...

[Strell]

Indeed.

I hunted the great Pumpamakinae Fraturnus, and returned with bounty.

Said spoils are now going to earn me a Psychonauts DVD.

[lilboo]

Ok, I do want this game but there's also like a BAJLILLION and 3 other games I want also.

Think this will be a game you could find anywhere for $20 in a few months? Or is this going to disappear? :cry:

With me moving in a few days, the holidays approaching, and other game wants..I don't have the extra $$ for that right now. (Though with freebie sites, it helps!)

Really hope it's everywhere for like $20 in a few months, :lol:

[Zen Davis]

There's no way this game is price dropping. I'll say that much.

[VaRIABLE SoUL]

man this game looks fun :)

might have to pick it up soon since SMG is comin out soon-ish

[Legolas813]

Amazon shipped my pre-order this morning!

[MarioColbert]

Really hope it's everywhere for like $20 in a few months, :lol:

I'm not sure which feeling is stronger - my respect for your unreasonable optimism, or my patronising feeling of being sorry for you missing out on the genius that is Zack & Wiki.

[lilboo]

I'm not sure which feeling is stronger - my respect for your unreasonable optimism, or my patronising feeling of being sorry for you missing out on the genius that is Zack & Wiki.

I want this game, but there's also quite a few other games I have interest in. Plus with me moving this week.. I'm not gonna have the extra money to buy just AAAANY game.

But I'm working on a few free games (<33 freebie sites)..so hopefully I can get around to getting this ASAP, as it does look pretty awesome.

[Draekon]

Played through the first area and I think I got everything in all of them but I'm going to double check levels. Though it only says something like 70% complete (Last I checked anyways)? Do more stages open up in the first area later? Kindof curious and want to make sure I didn't forget anything.

Great game though. Though some of the choices you have to make are quite risky at times. It's given me a better idea on how the game works, but it will still be hard for me to send Zack into risky conditions as anything except a 'last choice' option.

[Corvin]

Yeah, I have 70% also. I'm pretty sure I had 70% prior to mastering the levels and maxing out my HQ, because I still have one left that I haven't maxed out.

There is the little guy that goes treasure hunting if you pay him. Maybe he digs up new levels.

This game rocks,m BTW.

[botticus]

Spoilered just in case (nothing puzzle-specific), re: 70% completion: There are hidden stages that show up after beating the game, so you can't get 100% on the first time through.

[MarioColbert]

Spoilered just in case (nothing puzzle-specific), re: 70% completion: There are hidden stages that show up after beating the game, so you can't get 100% on the first time through.

Botticus, if you beat the damn game, please tell me:

HOW THE HELL DO YOU THROW THE ANCHOR DURING THE BATTLE WITH BARBAROS (when he's a giant with alligators for arms). I know exactly what to do later (because afterwards, you're all out of ammo, and I've solved that, but got killed) - yet the first time I played I did something that I guess accidentally threw the anchor at one of Barbaros' arms... I can not figure out what the hell it takes to throw it (I just spin it right round), and that's mad annoying...

[Draekon]

Spoilered just in case (nothing puzzle-specific), re: 70% completion: There are hidden stages that show up after beating the game, so you can't get 100% on the first time through.

Thanks, that's what I was looking to hear.

[botticus]

Ha, I knew I should have clarified that I've come nowhere near beating the game. I just picked up that nugget from someone on GAF who had. I wish I had time to beat it. :-(

[Tybee]

Great game though. Though some of the choices you have to make are quite risky at times. It's given me a better idea on how the game works, but it will still be hard for me to send Zack into risky conditions as anything except a 'last choice' option.

That's the problem. You do something that looks fairly innocuous, like flipping a switch or walking in a given direction, and half a dozen Rube Goldbergian sequences later, you're a perforated pancake. :roll:

[Corvin]

Trial and error. A staple of any great adventure game.

[Zen Davis]

That's the problem. You do something that looks fairly innocuous, like flipping a switch or walking in a given direction, and half a dozen Rube Goldbergian sequences later, you're a perforated pancake. :roll:

Remember Indiana Jones? Even stepping in light could get him killed.

Welcome to his world.

[vherub]

a blast so far to play with a friend, though wiki is annoying and the music box sequences are difficult
for the most part, the controls feel right and the puzzle solutions make sense rather than feeling contrived.

[MarioColbert]

a blast so far to play with a friend, though wiki is annoying and the music box sequences are difficult
for the most part, the controls feel right and the puzzle solutions make sense rather than feeling contrived.

Judging from the music box comment you are in the first half of the game. The best news is that the puzzles improve immensley with time, and become an integral part of certain story elements. I think Z&W's approach to puzzles is overlooked in about 80% of adventure games, because, really, the title is brilliant because of them.


Now, I'll be spinnin' the you know what, trying to throw it.

[Vendetta]

I picked this game up last night at GameCrazy and got the nifty puzzle pre-order bonus with it, since no one pre-ordered the game there (or bought the game it seems). I've gotten through the first three levels, and the game's friggin' awesome; like everyone else has said, this is the one game that really can't be replicated on any other platform. I'm hoping that I can get it done before the Fire Emblem/SMG tidal wave, which may be a problem since I also have Ratchet and Clank coming in the mail soon. =/

I really hope this game does reasonably well at retail, especially since it's a *good* original third party title for the Wii.

[Scrubking]

Just finished it at 21:53. I had to cheat to get past the last two levels or I would have never picked the game up again. Yeah, it can get that frustrating. Also the ending is really good.

[MarioColbert]

Just finished it at 21:53. I had to cheat to get past the last two levels or I would have never picked the game up again. Yeah, it can get that frustrating. Also the ending is really good.

Scrub, please, man... How do you THROW the damn anchor?

I did it the first time by accident, I just can't do it, and I've already tried to play through the stage about five times...

[judyjudyjudy]

I'm sure this was covered in a previous post, but I'm having a hard time finding it... Is there a way to tell if something has multiple solutions? I know there's the HQ score, but it seems like speed is a factor with that.

[eugaet]

New rule at my house: My son is not allowed to play past the point in the game at which I am at. Otherwise, he spends the whole time looking over my shoulder telling me what to do.

Also,
<- Halloween avatar!

[Zen Davis]

Man I can't wait to see the speed runs for this game.

[MarioColbert]

New rule at my house: My son is not allowed to play past the point in the game at which I am at. Otherwise, he spends the whole time looking over my shoulder telling me what to do.


Made me laugh out loud.

[MarioColbert]

I'm sure this was covered in a previous post, but I'm having a hard time finding it... Is there a way to tell if something has multiple solutions? I know there's the HQ score, but it seems like speed is a factor with that.
No, apart from playing it again. HQ score is not related to speed - it's only guided by whether or not you got something on the first try. More often than not, it is puzzle oriented (i.e. you use the right stuff), although at times it relies on your efficiency with the minigames (fishing, etc).

The multiple-solutions thing is best discovered if you play things with an open mind, or by calling your good friends that are playing the game and asking them how they beat it.

There are certain levels that appear to be quite open-ended with much stuff that isn't used in the solution (Lake of Fire) however it isn't really known whether or not an alternative solution is possible, especially in light of the fact that the game provides more equipment than necessary at times. Last but not least, careful observation of the items checklist on the bookshelf can shed some insight into missing pieces of the puzzle that you happened to leave behind.

[Scrubking]

Scrub, please, man... How do you THROW the damn anchor?

I did it the first time by accident, I just can't do it, and I've already tried to play through the stage about five times...

Swing the wiimote around to get the anchor spinning then when it's up to speed just calmly point the wiimote at Barbaros and hold it there until it activates the cutscene.

[MarioColbert]

Swing the wiimote around to get the anchor spinning then when it's up to speed just calmly point the wiimote at Barbaros and hold it there until it activates the cutscene.

You've gotta be shitting me.

:(

[Scrubking]

You've gotta be shitting me.

:(

No, and I never would have gotten that on my own. I would have kept wildly swinging my wiimote in all directions.

I don't mind the "try or die" aspect but if you are going to implement it you really need a better hint system.

[judyjudyjudy]

No, apart from playing it again. HQ score is not related to speed - it's only guided by whether or not you got something on the first try. More often than not, it is puzzle oriented (i.e. you use the right stuff), although at times it relies on your efficiency with the minigames (fishing, etc).With regard to using the right stuff, does different solutions yield different HQ scores?

[botticus]

Alright, I give up on the boss of the fire level.

I've moved all the totems around, gotten the partial stairs on the hammer, rocked the baby dragon so he's happy, had him eat fire so he's happy, but I don't see any thing else available to me to do anything else. Figure one of the dragons has to light the statues, but color me uninformed on how to take any other actions.

Is it just me or is it odd that this of all games does not have an FAQ on GameFAQs yet?

[Scrubking]

Alright, I give up on the boss of the fire level.

I've moved all the totems around, gotten the partial stairs on the hammer, rocked the baby dragon so he's happy, had him eat fire so he's happy, but I don't see any thing else available to me to do anything else. Figure one of the dragons has to light the statues, but color me uninformed on how to take any other actions.

Is it just me or is it odd that this of all games does not have an FAQ on GameFAQs yet?

So you need to light the statues located around the level? if so then look at the statue and then look at your friend who is sitting next to you. Remember that you can interact with him. If you want exact details let me know.

[botticus]

So you need to light the statues located around the level? if so then look at the statue and then look at your friend who is sitting next to you. Remember that you can interact with him. If you want exact details let me know.I might. I've checked out the statues, but within that view, the baby dragon isn't selectable.

[Scrubking]

I might. I've checked out the statues, but within that view, the baby dragon isn't selectable.

Alright, here are the details in layers in case you don't want all of it.

1. Take the baby dragon to eat fire.
2. Click on the pink statue. You will see the baby sitting in front of the statue.
3. Pull on his tail

[botticus]

Christ... I guess I didn't look hard enough with my pointer. :roll:

Thanks Scrub.

I'm really bitter because I wasted two dolls on the worst clues they could have provided, and apparently I didn't quit at the right time to get them back.

Unsurprisingly, I'm stuck immediately after that solution, but I'll take a few cracks at it before coming back for more help.

[buttle]

i've spent the last three days on the haunted pictures level. the thing i forgot about was being able to flip the broom. i'm so stupid. i gave in and used the hint just to find that out.

[KingBroly]

Man I can't wait to see the speed runs for this game.

Definitely agree with this statement. Not just for the single game, but individual levels as well. I beat one level in about 3 minutes in the first area on a second try (best score too). So, I'm assuming some of these levels can be done in under a minute. Boss fights under 2.

[lilboo]

I haven't read much in this thread, so I apologize in advance :)

I'm most likely getting this thanks to Points2Shop (PM me if your interested, BTW! :lol:).
How's the co-op in this game? If I remember correctly up to 4 people can play this?
Has anyone done this with 1-3 other people? Does it make it for fun, or is it more confusing?

I'm loving a lot of co-op games coming out, and I'd love to know if this will be fun to play with someone else.

[Draekon]

With regard to using the right stuff, does different solutions yield different HQ scores?

Since it wasn't answered, I'll say yes. Though I don't know how many stages allow for this.

The first place I noticed this was in the first forest area. The stage there, while I don't remember the name, had a giant fish in that little lake with a goblin sleeping by the fishing pole.

In that stage you seemed to of had two options. One being to fish out the giant fish which I hear you're able to get with one session of fishing since you can only fish for so long. That will give you around 120k points in total. The other option is to blow up the fish with the frog bomb, which I won't say how unless asked. It's something I found out completely on accident and it wound up giving me around 170k points in the end.

[eugaet]

How's the co-op in this game? If I remember correctly up to 4 people can play this?
Has anyone done this with 1-3 other people? Does it make it for fun, or is it more confusing?I wouldn't really call it co-op. The other players can draw on the screen or point to locations of interest. This allows other people to help you solve the puzzles by showing you where to go, what to pick up, etc. But player one is still the only one who is actually controlling anything.

There's a rumor that true co-op may be included in...ahem...the sequel.

[Legolas813]

I think adventure games are fine without co-op. I hate to see co-op put in just for the sake of saying you have co-op. Focus on making the single player experience as strong as possible.

[MarioColbert]

With regard to using the right stuff, does different solutions yield different HQ scores?

Certainly. The two methods of beating the forest level boss will yield EXTREME differences in the points used. Ask if you need more info, but I believe I wrote it up above.


I beat the game last night, thanks to Scrub's help. That was the only time I sought help outside the game, and was the only time that Wiimote controls weren't "self explanatory."


I'm going to go get fried chicken, because I really want some.

[eugaet]

I'm going to go get fried chicken, because I really want some.OK, this is sad. I read that sentence and immediately started plotting out what Zack would have to do to obtain some fried chicken.

[Strell]

He'd figure out that they don't have chocolate bars and leave, that's what.

[lilboo]

Ordered :)
If it follows the same pattern as Tomb Raider. It'll be shipped tomorrow and I'll get it Friday :applause:

[buttle]

i was able to tromp through the haunted levels relatively quicly. only a few hick ups. and there was some awsome thinking out of the box moments. the story is getting more and more fun. but i'm going to give myself a break before i get started on what's next.

[Zen Davis]

29,055 copies sold this past week according to VG Chartz.

[soonersfan60]

Is 29K good? Let's see some comparisons for other games (both advertised and under-the-radar).

[Zen Davis]

It's not really good.

[eugaet]

It's not really good.Now that people have some actual playing experience on the game, let's hope word-of-mouth works its magic. Pre-release hype and post-release hype are two totally different beasts.

[nmon3447]

I think this game should stay under the radar so that it becomes a nifty little treasure that is also great to play. Think of along the lines of Suikoden 2. The downside though is that if it does become a rare game chances are that we won't get a sequel which makes me sad.

[Strell]

Was hoping the sales would be better than that.

I urge everyone - with the upcoming holidays - to try and get the word out about this game as much as you can. Tell relatives to get it for your cousins/nephews/nieces. Order some copies for friends online and use them for the holidays. Etc etc. Just tell anyone and everyone that you can.

It is possible for us to get the sales up. I'm seeing this much like Phoenix Wright 1 - if we can exhaust the supplies now, there's a good chance Capcom will see that kind of response.

Obviously this is a daunting task, and somewhat farfetched, but it's worth the effort.

Fight the good fight.

[The Crotch]

I will do everything in my power, from ensuring it's part of my school's "Christmas Toy Bingo" to recommending it to Wii-owning family members.

Of course, I still don't have the fucking game. I feel like Calvin waiting for his Beanie hat every time I go to check my mail.

[botticus]

Let's just say this... if that is anywhere near the right number, WOW.

It only sold 11k its first week in Japan according of Famitsu (Media Create numbers will be up tonight), and I'd really expect it to sell less in the US given that all other things were generally equal, with a better name for the Japanese release.

If it sold 30k a week (assuming decent word of mouth and repeat shipments), it could be feasible to break 100k for the month, which would be stunning.

But if 30k is right, and it sells like typical games (i.e. front-loaded), then it'll still be better than I expected, but nothing worth talking about.

[Legolas813]

On the website, is the fish or can of worms supposed to do anything?
http://www.zackandwiki.com/

[spiwak]

I think this game should stay under the radar so that it becomes a nifty little treasure that is also great to play. Think of along the lines of Suikoden 2. The downside though is that if it does become a rare game chances are that we won't get a sequel which makes me sad. That's an awful idea. We need good games to do well, especially on the Wii, so that companies are encouraged to put real effort into the games they release for the system. Capcom is already a sure-thing, and SEGA too is putting in real effort. But what other (third-party) companies besides those two have made a lasting impact with the first year of the system's life almost behind us?

[jer7583]

Is this game really becoming that difficult to find? I haven't seen it at retail ever, except my copy I bought. If it only sold around 30k and is still tough to find.. wow.

[botticus]

Is this game really becoming that difficult to find? I haven't seen it at retail ever, except my copy I bought. If it only sold around 30k and is still tough to find.. wow.My Best Buy had a couple copies on Monday, but I'm not sure when they got them or how many they started with.

[zerowing]

Just finally got this in the mail today, I'm thinking I'll take a crack at it tomorrow morning.

[MarioColbert]

Let's just say this... if that is anywhere near the right number, WOW.

It only sold 11k its first week in Japan according of Famitsu (Media Create numbers will be up tonight), and I'd really expect it to sell less in the US given that all other things were generally equal, with a better name for the Japanese release.

If it sold 30k a week (assuming decent word of mouth and repeat shipments), it could be feasible to break 100k for the month, which would be stunning.

But if 30k is right, and it sells like typical games (i.e. front-loaded), then it'll still be better than I expected, but nothing worth talking about.


Would anyone happen to have an estimated cost of this game?

[botticus]

Nope, but we have this:

Our guys in Japan had a HUGE marketing push for this title. It's only just come on the market there too so I'm not so sure how you're passing judgements so quickly.

As for us, let me make a few things clear:

We can't force a retail buyer to take it (though we got it on the shelf in pretty much every major retailer).
We can't make a retail buyer expedite freight so it's on shelf the day after shipment everywhere like Gamestop typically does (which is why Wal-mart and Best Buy only started getting it on shelf on Thursday/Friday).

So for those of you who only shop at Gamestop, either pre-order or look elsewhere to find copies. There were very few pre-orders at Gamestop on Z&W (especially relative to what we're seeing on the first couple of days sales). If you want to see more units on the shelf day one in that particular retailer, then pre-order. Gamestop bases their day one number as some multiple of its preorders. Period.

A number of retailers we pushed to take more units than they did but they have their own thoughts about the game and the market and make their shelf allocations accordingly. Our day one number was a decent number by any measure, owing a lot to the reviews and PR work that we've done. We are not out of stock anywhere except for possible spot out of stocks at Gamestop (probably rectified already as they took their backup order after the first day of sales).

[Snake2715]

Is this game really becoming that difficult to find? I haven't seen it at retail ever, except my copy I bought. If it only sold around 30k and is still tough to find.. wow.

Well I have been calling my local TRu for it and a few others... They have it now so my lunch will include a quick swap from the previous B2G1 sale...

Sweet. I am taking the day off work on Friday and the wife will be home.... its time for some good Wii action!!!! (read that how you will).

[Corvin]

If you want to see more units on the shelf day one in that particular retailer, then pre-order.

What the fuck ever. Where's this article from, Gamestop corporate?

[botticus]

What the fuck ever. Where's this article from, Gamestop corporate?Meh, it's a hot topic in the industry this week, apparently. First Gamecock (publishing Dementium on DS) bitches about how people need to preorder more of the niche titles so stores order more, and now Capcom.

[EXStrike]

Ranked #29 in Japan last week (http://www.gpara.com/ranking/mediacreatebn/ranking_20071101.php).

Didn't know FFTA2 came out last week..

[soonersfan60]

...they (Gamestop) took their backup order after the first day of sale.

This is encouraging.

[Corvin]

Meh, it's a hot topic in the industry this week, apparently. First Gamecock (publishing Dementium on DS) bitches about how people need to preorder more of the niche titles so stores order more, and now Capcom.

It just doesn't make sense. If I pre-order I could give two shits about how many extra copies a store gets.

Sounds like they are making bogus excuses for not having their game on store shelves. A consumer's job is merely buying a game they see on a store shelf. If the publishers and manufacturers can't fill that shelf, it is their problem, not the consumer's.

[Snake2715]

None of the preorder bs really matters. This game wasn't hyped too heavily outside the internet savvy and by now most of us/them have our hands on it (looking at you Strell and your puppy killing spree).

A week late wont make that huge of a dent in total sales overall. If people were waiting for say Mario they would have waited either way in my opinion.

The good news is Gamestop may have realized they undershot and didn't give a good title a chance initially and that will probably still change.....nothing, but never the less.

[MarioColbert]

I have nothing to say regarding the pre-order discussion/debate.

My opinion of Zack & Wiki is that is an excellent title that needs to be pushed onto people as much as possible. I know that Mario Galaxy is going to be getting all kinds of GOTY praise, but I want to make one thing clear...

Mario doesn't really need me to talk about how awesome it is. If you were to look up Mario in any factual source, any such publication that is worth reading will say that he is the video game equivalent of SHAFT. And I mean it - bad motherfucker.

Zack & Wiki, however, did something that The International House of Mojo have predicted as "best idea for the Wii that will never come to fruition" (paraphrased) - and I can not be made happeir that a point and click puzzle adventure managed to actually survive throughout the development process without getting cancelled. In fact, the final product is so amazingly faithful to the bastard genre of puzzle games, which is in turn a sub-division of another bastard genre of adventure games, that I'm amazed the game is getting spotlight at all. The only time major publications put adventure games in the spotlight these days is to ensure that they can see it better in their sniper scopes prior to taking another cheap shot.

I hate to break it to jollydwarfs and whoever else kept constantly trashing the Wii catalog, but I told you so. And we have four more days until the glorious Fire Emblem title, which should last us just enough in time for the newest Mario Installment. And I have yet to play Metroid Prime 3 - I actually wanted to get shit done this semester.

But this brings me to a moment of clarity - you see, I didn't need to tell jollydwarf or anyone else anything. I didn't really need to explain, or to yell anything out loud. Because scientific approach requires but one thing - to wait and see. And in that regard, the current market conditions and the wealth of "holy shit" exclusives should make these forums a peaceful place. Because, really, after the 5th, I don't see if I can be bothered to reply to claims of gimmicky controls, lack of proper online service (like HOME, I guess - we call it Wii Sports, though, except we can't play mp3s on a jukebox, because that's stupid), or lack of HD and the lack of a pricetag that is equivalent to a mortgage on a little trailer. Because I'll be too busy actually playing.


So yeah, you're looking at a guy (read: post by a guy) who loves Z&W so much that he'll name it his GOTY. (Unless, of course, Galaxy asks me to pick up an item and to use it with another item, so that something neat will happen, or have an exhaustive dialog tree, or if it features time travel in a Chron-O-John.)

[lanzarlaluna]

Fuck it. I'm heading out to buy the game right now. Maybe pick up another copy or two for Christmas presents.

[MarioColbert]

Fuck it. I'm heading out to buy the game right now. Maybe pick up another copy or two for Christmas presents.


Best post in this thread so far.

[Zen Davis]

Best post in this thread so far.

No it's not.

This post is.

[zewone]

Ouch at 29k.

[lanzarlaluna]

zOMG magnetic puzzle!!!1 It's on the fridge now. ;) Time to boot up the game! :D

[xeno]

is it me or does wiki sound like a little japense girl.....or is it a girl to begin with.......?

[Scrubking]

Anyone know the alternate way to beat the fountain guardian?

[Zen Davis]

is it me or does wiki sound like a little japense girl.....or is it a girl to begin with.......?

Of course its a girl.

Even Goku from DBZ is voiced by a girl.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VxRnKcX8v5k

[russellgreco]

Often children and young boys are voiced by women. This is true in much more than just games and anime as well.


Regarding Zack and Wiki, wow! I am still blown away at how great this game is. I'm probably about 6 hours into it and loving every minute. It's challenging and fun. Sleeper hit of the year for Wii at least.

Picked mine up used at a gamestop, in near perfect condition, and with 10% off.

[Draekon]

Anyone know the alternate way to beat the fountain guardian?

The alternate way is when you start, grab the worm first and then head towards the fountain. Once you click the fountain, the frog will appear. As soon as he appears you drop the worm by the fountain slide entrance and from there on out it should be pretty simple to figure out.

[schuerm26]

Picked mine up used at a gamestop, in near perfect condition, and with 10% off.

Boo!! For $6 or so, you could have gotten it New and added to the sales numbers, which in the long haul is way more important than saving six bucks as it might mean many more of this type of game.

[Corvin]

Often children and young boys are voiced by women. This is true in much more than just games and anime as well.



Not just anime. The most famous example would be Bart Simpson.

[masterh]

Anyone who wants to play this game needs to seek it out. NOW. Anyone remember how hard it was to find Phoenix Wright before they reprinted it? I had to go to something like 8 different stores (different branches of Target, Circuit City, Game Crazy, Gamestop, and Best Buy) in two major metropolitan areas (Houston and Memphis) before I found a copy. There were maybe two others on the shelf. It's not available at Bestbuy.com or Circuitcity.com. I'd put good money on this being rare and high priced on ebay VERY soon.

[Tybee]

Not just anime. The most famous example would be Bart Simpson.

And Bobby Hill.

[Scrubking]

The alternate way is when you start, grab the worm first and then head towards the fountain. Once you click the fountain, the frog will appear. As soon as he appears you drop the worm by the fountain slide entrance and from there on out it should be pretty simple to figure out.

Thanks

[Zen Davis]

I have a sinking suspicion that there's not going to be a Zack & Wiki 2.... People should really start getting the word out there beyond just places like CAG.

The game deserves it.

[naes]

I hope it's not hard to find because I'm planning on getting it this weekend. And I'm not buying it used or EBStop new.

[schuerm26]

I have a sinking suspicion that there's not going to be a Zack & Wiki 2.... People should really start getting the word out there beyond just places like CAG.

The game deserves it.

How many games did Trace Memory sell for the DS?

There might not be a Zack and Wiki 2 but there will be many more adventure games. Look at the DS. I highly doubt titles like Hotel Dusk, Trace Memory and Touch Detective had great sales (I could be wrong so feel free to prove it) but more adventure games are on the way for the DS (lots more from my understanding).


The Wii is a great system and is in all likelihood going to be extremely hard to find for the next 6 months or so if not longer. There will be more games like this to come due to the huge audience and low development costs.

Next game to start pumping up is Agatha Christies And Then There Were None

[orimental]

Where the hell is this game? I just came back from Walmart (got the $98 HD DVD player) and they didn't have it. But they had plenty of Manhunt 2! It's not even like they ran out of copies as there wasn't even a price tag for it.

[schuerm26]

Where the hell is this game? I just came back from Walmart (got the $98 HD DVD player) and they didn't have it. But they had plenty of Manhunt 2! It's not even like they ran out of copies as there wasn't even a price tag for it.

Walmart should have it by now. Any other stores you can try? You are missing out on some seriously good gaming.

[botticus]

Walmart was pretty much the only big box store to get the game Day 1, everyone else was slow. So if it's not at Walmart... not sure.

[MarioColbert]

I mentioned this game to my mother-in-law, whose youngest owns a Wii thanks to my efforts last December. I'll try my best to convince her to buy it, but really, I got one friend to change his mind from Super Paper Mario to Z&W (and all this talk of "rareness" proves me to be correct yet again, and jollydwarf's not even involved!)

In any case, I just hope that all Wii CAGs were able to snatch this one in time for shortages. The game's brilliant, and in a perfect world, the retailers would get told by many customers of variying shapes, ages, sizes, and income that they want to play this damn title.

I don't want a sequel for this game as much as I want to see more of similar gameplay. And Then There Were None title doesn't look too good, unfortunately, and appears to be more or less of a kick-back to the good old days of doing "adventures" in a boring, sterile environments...

[Corvin]

I don't want a sequel for this game as much as I want to see more of similar gameplay. And Then There Were None title doesn't look too good, unfortunately, and appears to be more or less of a kick-back to the good old days of doing "adventures" in a boring, sterile environments...

Who says we can't have both? :)

Sounds like they seriously under shipped this game so it had no chance in hell doing stellar numbers. Sounds more like it had a small run like Trauma Center: DS and will take a little time to get more on the shelves. So despite the small numbers available, a sell out is a good sign.

[MarioColbert]

Who says we can't have both? :)

Certainly not I, Corvin - just an opinion being thrown...


Sounds like they seriously under shipped this game so it had no chance in hell doing stellar numbers. Sounds more like it had a small run like Trauma Center: DS and will take a little time to get more on the shelves. So despite the small numbers available, a sell out is a good sign.
What's funny is that there will be a lot of bullshit analysis saying that the game did extremely poorly due to this (stupid) under-shipping. To me, it makes no sense to do something like this, because if you're going to release a brilliant title, even if it is an unpopular sub-genre of an unpopular genre, then fuckin' do it proper. Especially with such nice get-up of "family-friendliness" involved, as well.

Truth be told - Z&W is the best Christmas present now, since most households might not have it. So, just saying GO BUY IT FOR A FRIEND OR TWO - IT'S CHEAP ENOUGH.

[schuerm26]

I mentioned this game to my mother-in-law, whose youngest owns a Wii thanks to my efforts last December. I'll try my best to convince her to buy it, but really, I got one friend to change his mind from Super Paper Mario to Z&W (and all this talk of "rareness" proves me to be correct yet again, and jollydwarf's not even involved!)

In any case, I just hope that all Wii CAGs were able to snatch this one in time for shortages. The game's brilliant, and in a perfect world, the retailers would get told by many customers of variying shapes, ages, sizes, and income that they want to play this damn title.

I don't want a sequel for this game as much as I want to see more of similar gameplay. And Then There Were None title doesn't look too good, unfortunately, and appears to be more or less of a kick-back to the good old days of doing "adventures" in a boring, sterile environments...

Where did you get this impression of And Then There Were None? I haven't seen anything about it.

[MarioColbert]

Where did you get this impression of And Then There Were None? I haven't seen anything about it.
AdventureGamers.com, man. The game was made in 2005 for PC, and is being ported for (an unconfirmed by ME) Nov. 2007 release.

http://adventuregamers.com/gameinfo.php?id=512

The screenshots speak for themeslves, as far as reviews are concerned:

http://adventuregamers.com/article/id,542

Take it as you may, but I know exactly what I love and what I hate about adventure games (I play them all the time), so despite the three-star bit on top, I'd like to direct your attention to the Bottom Line:

And Then There Were None is an enjoyable murder mystery with many excellent elements, but it is let down by sloppy implementation and inattention to detail. (highlights by me)


ALSO: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/andthentherewerenone

[buttle]

i'm deathly stuck. i'm on the treasure island level.
i've given in and looked at the hint but have found it unhelpfull. it told me tolight the torch. the one on the very bottom of the level. i've got my lighter. i'm not sure if i'm supposed to use the lighter to light the torch, or light it some other way. either way i can't figure it out.
i feel like if i can get this the rest will be cake. but i just can't figure it out.

[MarioColbert]

i'm deathly stuck. i'm on the treasure island level.
i've given in and looked at the hint but have found it unhelpfull. it told me tolight the torch. the one on the very bottom of the level. i've got my lighter. i'm not sure if i'm supposed to use the lighter to light the torch, or light it some other way. either way i can't figure it out.
i feel like if i can get this the rest will be cake. but i just can't figure it out.

I know what you mean - I stumbled on the solution by accident.


Flick Wii-mote to open the lighter. PRESS DOWN ON THE D-PAD. Yes, I know: What the Fuck?


Good luck with the rest.

[Apossum]

did you really put "getting rare" in the title to get people on CAG to buy the game?

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m114/sylviaviridian/macros/Cat%20Macros/FACEPALM.jpg

[buttle]

I know what you mean - I stumbled on the solution by accident.


Flick Wii-mote to open the lighter. PRESS DOWN ON THE D-PAD. Yes, I know: What the Fuck?


Good luck with the rest.

mother #$%@. that's just crazy.
thanks for your help.

[MarioColbert]

mother #$%@. that's just crazy.
thanks for your help.

I got mad and started pressing everything on the Wiimote.

I won two matches in Virtua Fighter 4 the other night using the very same strategy, too.

[Snake2715]

Guys I still havent plugged this one in. Its unwrapped and I can confitm that the best buy copies had the magnetic puzzles for free inside... I took a pic with the camera phone.

Anyway it will get some play time this weekend. I wrapped up victorious boxers last night in anticipation for this game. Cant wait.

estarland has the Z&W game in stock for $36.95 with $4 shipping and no tax...

[Zen Davis]

did you really put "getting rare" in the title to get people on CAG to buy the game?

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m114/sylviaviridian/macros/Cat%20Macros/FACEPALM.jpg

Nope. Just based on user comments.

[zewone]

lol @ getting rare

[G33]

The alternate way is when you start, grab the worm first and then head towards the fountain. Once you click the fountain, the frog will appear. As soon as he appears you drop the worm by the fountain slide entrance and from there on out it should be pretty simple to figure out.

Out of curiosity, what is the regular way to beat that stage? When I did it, I seem to have followed what you said I threw the frog bomb down the slide to knock out the guardian, grabbed the worm, then continued to beat the stage.. I did a quick search of the thread, but didn't see where it was first mentioned.

[KhaosX]

I suggest that at least the level name or number should be non spoiled, since all i see are spoiler marks and im not sure if ive passed that area yet. Its pretty interesting to read up on alternative ways to win afterall.

[Strell]

You know, if you don't give a shit about the game, the system, and our discussions about it....is there a reason you're in the thread, other than to look like an arrogant prick?

How much of a drama queen do you have to be to go into a thread that's covering something you don't have and don't care about, just to attempt to stir up trouble by being a prickish whore?

I mean, guys, seriously. You can go to tmz.com or something if you want to pretend you're Paris Hilton too.

The most ironic part is that you're a bunch of the same bitches who kept saying "What did LinkinPrime do wrong?" a few weeks ago when he started editting titles in here.

If you don't like the system and aren't getting games for it, what is the goddamn point? I mean, don't you all have some big releases yourselves to go play?

I'm sorry your tiny balls chaff up against your tiny pants, and it causes you to have to be a retarded troll in a forum for a system you don't own or care to own. But maybe you should use some of the lotion you're planning on using for a masturbatory-athon later tonight, and just rub it on your tiny sac.

[zewone]

I mean, guys, seriously. You can go to tmz.com or something if you want to pretend you're Paris Hilton too.
Tabbed browsing.

[Strell]

So you don't have an answer for me, do you, Kirby Lifter?

[zewone]

What question?

Why am I in this thread?

I like to read, and stay informed about what is going on in the current happenings of the video game world and not just limit myself to games or systems I own.

I've been reading this thread for awhile now, and him changing to title to "Getting RARE!" I thought was funny.

[Apossum]

You know, if you don't give a shit about the game, the system, and our discussions about it....is there a reason you're in the thread, other than to look like an arrogant prick?

How much of a drama queen do you have to be to go into a thread that's covering something you don't have and don't care about, just to attempt to stir up trouble by being a prickish whore?

I mean, guys, seriously. You can go to tmz.com or something if you want to pretend you're Paris Hilton too.

The most ironic part is that you're a bunch of the same bitches who kept saying "What did LinkinPrime do wrong?" a few weeks ago when he started editting titles in here.

If you don't like the system and aren't getting games for it, what is the goddamn point? I mean, don't you all have some big releases yourselves to go play?

I'm sorry your tiny balls chaff up against your tiny pants, and it causes you to have to be a retarded troll in a forum for a system you don't own or care to own. But maybe you should use some of the lotion you're planning on using for a masturbatory-athon later tonight, and just rub it on your tiny sac.


I'm not sure who you're referring to, and I hope we are on better terms than that :lol: but I was reading the thread because I'm interested in the game. but the "getting rare" thing is fucking ridiculous. It's just a very plant-ish thing to write. Not accusing the OP of being a plant, but c'mon, this game is not going to be rare. It's a full game by capcom, probably had a regular budget, and has a good following.

There's just no need to cause alarm and make people feel like they have to run out and buy it right away or risk never playing it.

anything else about linkinprime (definitely a plant :lol: ) or whatever, I dunno about...

[Strell]

Not accusing the OP of being a plant, but c'mon, this game is not going to be rare. It's a full game by capcom, probably had a regular budget, and has a good following.


It's funny you bring this up, because you can't prove any of it. Neither can I, neither can anyone else in this thread. It would take Capcom employees to do that, and I'm really doubting anyone here is one of those.

Now then, barring the obvious subjectivity of your post, there's absolutely no way for anyone right now to figure out whether or not the game is rare. What we can say is that it's probably under the radar. It has no real advertising, and I'm going to guess the title/cover art does more to repulse people than to attract them.

Beyond that, Capcom is synonymous with things like Street Fighter, Megaman, and Devil May Cry (and now, Dead Rising). There's no way this game got the same amount of attention that those franchises did, because then they might actually have had the cash to pay for a commercial. I will say that it does seem like they took some time and put in a lot of effort, but there's no way it is comparable to their bigger titles.

Word of mouth might cause the game to become rare. Or Capcom might release another 100K copies.

The title is a bit sensationalistic, that much I can agree to. But everything else after that is nothing but opinion, a collection of hypothetical what-ifs, and anecdotal "well wtf I saw like 409580294802398432 at my Walmart" stories.

Let's get back to the topic at hand. The game is excellent, it's worth it to any adventure gamer to play, it uses the tech well, looks good, and obviously had some polish/attention applied to it, meaning Capcom went a bit above and beyond the shovelware crap that's all over the system. If you want a unique and fun game, you ought to pick it up.

With all the constant "omfg Wii has no games" and other bullshit rhetoric I see all over the place, to pass up a genuinely good game with a well-executed interface really makes me wonder.

[eugaet]

It's rare because it's hard to find on shelves. You should read back through this thread to see what Strell went through just to get a copy. I haven't seen it at any retailer I've been to since it released...except for the one I found and purchased (1 of 3 they had ordered for release). Hopefully, Capcom is sitting on a pile of them and the retailers have now woken up to the fact that they should have ordered much, much more and are doing so as we speak type.

That was a great post (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3533771&postcount=725), BTW. Strell is my favorite rantician.

[zewone]

This is probably the next Okami, which was published by Capcom.

[MarioColbert]

I'm not sure what a plant is in Forum terms.

Back on topic, guys: THIS GAME IS AWESOME.

[zewone]

Plant means a poster who is paid by a company to virally promote their products.

Examples:
LinkinPrime - Microsoft
Zen Davis - Nintendo
The Mana Knight - Sony

[dallow]

I played it at my cousin's.
It is really great the small time I spent it with.
I've seen it at every store so I'm in no hurry to get it though.

Wii has been upgraded from 'almost no games' to 'it's got a few'.

[Draekon]

I suggest that at least the level name or number should be non spoiled, since all i see are spoiler marks and im not sure if ive passed that area yet. Its pretty interesting to read up on alternative ways to win afterall.

Meh. The person I quoted had that so I didn't really think to put the level. It's called Fountain Guardian.

Out of curiosity, what is the regular way to beat that stage? When I did it, I seem to have followed what you said I threw the frog bomb down the slide to knock out the guardian, grabbed the worm, then continued to beat the stage.. I did a quick search of the thread, but didn't see where it was first mentioned.

Normal way - Fishing up the guardian using the fishing rod next to the sleeping goblin that you knock out with a bomb by sending the bomb down the fountain. Which can be tough to get full points fishing up the guardian in one go. (Yields a max of around 120k HQ)

Alternate way - Sending the frog down the fountain by dropping a worm in front of the fountain entrance. Then turn it into the bomb to throw into the little lake where the guardian resides at the bottom of the fountain via the stone pedistal so the guardian explodes. (Yields a max of around 160k HQ)

It sounds like you did it the normal way since you said you threw the bomb down the fountain. The guardian is the giant fish, not the goblin sleeping next to the fishing rod. Regardless though, a basic summary of both solutions are given if you are able to make sense out of them.

[Zen Davis]

I'm not sure who you're referring to, and I hope we are on better terms than that :lol: but I was reading the thread because I'm interested in the game. but the "getting rare" thing is fucking ridiculous. It's just a very plant-ish thing to write. Not accusing the OP of being a plant, but c'mon, this game is not going to be rare. It's a full game by capcom, probably had a regular budget, and has a good following.

There's just no need to cause alarm and make people feel like they have to run out and buy it right away or risk never playing it.

anything else about linkinprime (definitely a plant :lol: ) or whatever, I dunno about...
Okay. I'll admit it. I'm a plant.

http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics3/cn22.jpg

Capcom gave me life size Zack and Wiki plushes and let me sleep with Mikami's wife. The plushes were awesome but she sounded more like Zack than Wiki.

[MarioColbert]

I played it at my cousin's.
It is really great the small time I spent it with.
I've seen it at every store so I'm in no hurry to get it though.

Wii has been upgraded from 'almost no games' to 'it's got a few'.

dallow, man, where you been? learning how to Wii-hate, I see... Cool, cool.

Heard you played some Smash Bros. with Dr. Mario Kart, yeah?

How'd it go, man?

[MarioColbert]

Capcom gave me life size Zack and Wiki plushes and let me sleep with Mikami's wife. The plushes were awesome but she sounded more like Zack than Wiki.

$$$$a, GET ME A JOB THERE.

[Zen Davis]

Plant means a poster who is paid by a company to virally promote their products.

Examples:
LinkinPrime - Microsoft
Zen Davis - Nintendo
The Mana Knight - Sony
I resent that!

Zack and Wiki is clearly a Capcom product and as such, if I am to be deemed a plant of anything, I should be deemed a Capcom plant!

With that said, I hereby demand you issue a retraction and apologize to myself, Capcom, and Nintendo in a timely and respectful manner!

[KhaosX]

Meh. The person I quoted had that so I didn't really think to put the level. It's called Fountain Guardian.


Sorry i didnt look that far back
For the same stage - I didnt know about the alternative way, and i spent like 7 tries trying to fish it up on the first shot. It can be done, but its a pain in the neck.

[Apossum]

It's funny you bring this up, because you can't prove any of it. Neither can I, neither can anyone else in this thread. It would take Capcom employees to do that, and I'm really doubting anyone here is one of those.

Now then, barring the obvious subjectivity of your post, there's absolutely no way for anyone right now to figure out whether or not the game is rare. What we can say is that it's probably under the radar. It has no real advertising, and I'm going to guess the title/cover art does more to repulse people than to attract them.

Beyond that, Capcom is synonymous with things like Street Fighter, Megaman, and Devil May Cry (and now, Dead Rising). There's no way this game got the same amount of attention that those franchises did, because then they might actually have had the cash to pay for a commercial. I will say that it does seem like they took some time and put in a lot of effort, but there's no way it is comparable to their bigger titles.

Word of mouth might cause the game to become rare. Or Capcom might release another 100K copies.

The title is a bit sensationalistic, that much I can agree to. But everything else after that is nothing but opinion, a collection of hypothetical what-ifs, and anecdotal "well wtf I saw like 409580294802398432 at my Walmart" stories.

Let's get back to the topic at hand. The game is excellent, it's worth it to any adventure gamer to play, it uses the tech well, looks good, and obviously had some polish/attention applied to it, meaning Capcom went a bit above and beyond the shovelware crap that's all over the system. If you want a unique and fun game, you ought to pick it up.

With all the constant "omfg Wii has no games" and other bullshit rhetoric I see all over the place, to pass up a genuinely good game with a well-executed interface really makes me wonder.



okay, we'll just mark every game with "OMFG GETTING RARE BUY IT NOW L@@K FURBY TMX 360 PS3 WII AAAAAAAA++++++++++" until we can prove that it isn't rare ;)

every game that comes out seems to have people who say they can't find it. Guess Zen Davis is just a spaz.

and look, this is exactly what he wants! The plant wins!

okay, I'm done.

[Zen Davis]

okay, we'll just mark every game with "OMFG GETTING RARE BUY IT NOW L@@K FURBY TMX 360 PS3 WII AAAAAAAA++++++++++" until we can prove that it isn't rare ;)

every game that comes out seems to have people who say they can't find it. Guess Zen Davis is just a spaz.

and look, this is exactly what he wants! The plant wins!

okay, I'm done.
Did you miss my posts on the last page? Look at posts #737 and #740. They explain ALL.

[spiwak]

Okay. I'll admit it. I'm a plant.

http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics3/cn22.jpg

Capcom gave me life size Zack and Wiki plushes and let me sleep with Mikami's wife. The plushes were awesome but she sounded more like Zack than Wiki. I have no idea where that came from, but my first thought when looking at it was

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Dott-screenshot.png

[The Crotch]

Just got the game in the mail today. Played it up to the level with the giant fish bastard in the water. Failed to bring the bastard in, though my arm got rather tired. After that, I got eaten by a goblin. Damn.

Really god damn cool so far.

[KhaosX]

I dont know if its been answered yet but in one of the ice stages
After playing that music jukebox and wiki supposibly gets upgraded, what gets upgraded? If its a major spoiler that im suppost to find out later on, then just tell me thats the case

[Zen Davis]

I have no idea where that came from, but my first thought when looking at it was

I take it you never watched Captain N.

[Apossum]

Did you miss my posts on the last page? Look at posts #737 and #740. They explain ALL.

IGN: I! 1UP: READ! NP: YOUR! F-SU: POSTS! APOSSUM: DIDN'T LAUGH!

[Zen Davis]

IGN: I! 1UP: READ! NP: YOUR! F-SU: POSTS! APOSSUM: DIDN'T LAUGH!
But you read them right? That's all I'm concerned with.

(Someone has Zack and Wiki envy...)

[G33]

Originally Posted by KhaosX http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/disturbed/misc/backlink.gif (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134624&page=37#post3533762)
I suggest that at least the level name or number should be non spoiled, since all i see are spoiler marks and im not sure if ive passed that area yet. Its pretty interesting to read up on alternative ways to win afterall.


My bad. I forgot to make sure that the post I was quoting had the level name in it, and not just the post I was reading :roll:.

It's called Fountain Guardian.

Normal way - Fishing up the guardian using the fishing rod next to the sleeping goblin that you knock out with a bomb by sending the bomb down the fountain. Which can be tough to get full points fishing up the guardian in one go. (Yields a max of around 120k HQ)

Alternate way - Sending the frog down the fountain by dropping a worm in front of the fountain entrance. Then turn it into the bomb to throw into the little lake where the guardian resides at the bottom of the fountain via the stone pedistal so the guardian explodes. (Yields a max of around 160k HQ)

It sounds like you did it the normal way since you said you threw the bomb down the fountain. The guardian is the giant fish, not the goblin sleeping next to the fishing rod. Regardless though, a basic summary of both solutions are given if you are able to make sense out of them.

Ah. I misunderstood who was the guardian, and just assumed it was the goblin. Regarding the alternate method, couldn't you just take the bomb with you down the vine and throw it in the lake, without needing the worm? Or does the frog eat the worm, and then the fish eats the frog bomb in turn (or something like that)? Regardless, I'll have to try this out when I get home. Thanks for explaining that to me, I probably would never have known that this stage had an alternate solution, it being an early stage and all.