Jake the Snake Roberts' wrestling topic

[Zenithian Legend]

Say hello to The Snake

http://www.pinfalls.com/jakebelt.jpg

Let's try this again shall we...
Snake Bios:

Obsessed with Wrestling (http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/j/jake-roberts.html)
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Roberts)

Jake was really one of a kind, while the British Bulldogs had Matilda and Koko B. Ware had his birds, no one in wrestling history had a pet quite as awesome, and quite as downright terrifying as Damien. Truly one of the great gimmicks in wrestling history.

Jake's DDT finisher was one of the best too, when he hit that baby, boy you knew it was over, un-tie the string and bring out Damien cuz this guy is done. What a great way to humble your opponents too, using the Snake after matches to add insult to injury.

Plus Damien was great for storyline purposes, it seemed every big guy in WWE was scared to death of Snakes, be it Yokozuna, Earthquake or Kamala.
I think my favorite memory of Jake though was all the tricks he played on the Ultimate Warrior, dragging him out to the graveyard to try and get him ready to face The Undertaker and then turning on Warrior at the last minute.
Perhaps the most stunning thing though, about Robert's career in WWF, is he never held a single World Wrestling Federation title! Perhaps he was deemed to unreliable to carry a strap.

Oh sure, Jake had his faults, boy did he ever have his faults, Jake loved Sheik's medicine, and loved hitting the bottle, but there are few wrestlers who can claim to be able to cut a promo, wrestle a match with such great psychology and be as unforgettable as Jake Roberts.

[mykevermin]

Insert smarmy anti-WWE and anti-TNA tirade here.

EDIT: http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/bookerradio

Tea Time with King Booker!

[2Fast]

Insert smarmy anti-WWE and anti-TNA tirade here.

EDIT: http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/bookerradio

Tea Time with King Booker!

Sunuva...

I wish they'd kill that gimmick already.

[JJSP]

When at last asked what the DDT stood for, Jake famously replied, "The End"

Long live "The Snake".

[Demolition Man]

Nice to see Jake make a revival topic. :D

[Zenithian Legend]

Nice to see Jake make a revival topic. :D

And that he's still alive for it! Watch the Snake live to 100. I'd love to interview that guy, I bet he's got a million hilarious stories.

[Sporadic]

HOORAY!

Here I thought he was just going to get screwed over. :)

[Zenithian Legend]

This is excellent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxiLQ4w8X4

[tangytangerine]

I checked on G4 On Demand this morning, since it was updated. Apparently, Attack of the Show did a interview with Chris Jericho and he has his hair really short now(about as short as Big Show's hair). He did comment that WWE hasn't called him on coming back(although that just be fluff). But he does want to come back since he doesn't feel burned out like when he left back in 2005.

[SIUfan]

I checked on G4 On Demand this morning, since it was updated. Apparently, Attack of the Show did a interview with Chris Jericho and he has his hair really short now(about as short as Big Show's hair). He did comment that WWE hasn't called him on coming back(although that just be fluff). But he does want to come back since he doesn't feel burned out like when he left back in 2005.
Will you see if you can post this vid?

[mykevermin]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6408/chrisjrt2007picmx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm a cowboy...on a STEEEEEL horse I ride....

[guyver2077]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6408/chrisjrt2007picmx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm a cowboy...on a STEEEEEL horse I ride....

omg

[JJSP]

I believe we need to start a campaign for Jake in the WWE Hall Of Fame for 2008.

[tangytangerine]

Will you see if you can post this vid?
Can't find a way to link it, but:
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/videos/index.html

type Chris Jericho in search by keyword, set results search by 100 per a page and it'll be at the very bottom.

That's the best I can do to point where it is, since they're working on their site at the moment and everything is ass backwards.

Also, like I commented, they're working on the site, so ignore the 2/14/07 date for the video. They filmed that last week.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Wow, I just saw that attack on Abyss from Impact. That was quite brutal.

[mykevermin]

Wow, I just saw that attack on Abyss from Impact. That was quite brutal.

No shit. I don't cringe much watching wrestling (which is kind of silly, because a lot of the stuff these guys do hurts a shitload), but that Abyss beatdown was a bit much. I hope its followed through well, because it's a great start to something. I can't imagine it will, though, since TNA has decided it's trying to be WWE-lite.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

No shit. I don't cringe much watching wrestling (which is kind of silly, because a lot of the stuff these guys do hurts a shitload), but that Abyss beatdown was a bit much. I hope its followed through well, because it's a great start to something. I can't imagine it will, though, since TNA has decided it's trying to be WWE-lite.

Those were some pretty goddamned stiff chairshots, if I may say so. No wonder he needed 60 fucking stitches.

[Roufuss]

Is TNA always on at 9 on Thursday?

I guess I'm so used to watching the repeat at 11 on Saturday's I didn't realize it was broadcast so early.

[DJSteel]

good ending..

[CaseyRyback]

Is TNA always on at 9 on Thursday?

I guess I'm so used to watching the repeat at 11 on Saturday's I didn't realize it was broadcast so early.

Yes.

[DJSteel]

those were the days....

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6896/ralphus2yl.jpg

[tangytangerine]

Those were some pretty goddamned stiff chairshots, if I may say so. No wonder he needed 60 fucking stitches.
That and the slices on his arms. The busted head didn't bother me, but the barb wire bat sliced his arms is what made me cringe.

BTW, WTF is this on WWE.com?
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/maria/secretsessions/?cid=WWEWCMSS-31

They also updated their "Where are they now?" section with Slick.
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wherearetheynow/slick

Think WWE house shows sell bad only here? Look how empty one of their shows in Germany was for a Raw house show. Look with this link(picture is too big for the board).
http://www.wwe-germanyhistory.de/images/olympiahalle_1904_1950h.jpg

Seems TNA will be ditching the NWA World & Tag Team Titles soon and ordering new belts with "TNA World Champion" & TNA World Tag Team Champions" being the new names for the belts. They're supposed to be making a announcement as Sacrifice about this.

[pitfallharry219]

According to Dave Scherer, Randy Orton was sent home from the current European tour. It appears that a hotel room was severely damaged and the blame was pointed at Randy Orton.
Assuming this is true, will he ever not be a fuck up?

[DJSteel]

you wish you were Norman Smiley....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRovVnipEBs

[tangytangerine]

you wish you were Norman Smiley....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRovVnipEBs

:lol:

That's taken from his entrance video for the craptacular WCW Backstage Assault.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

- Hulk Hogan made another one of his infamous calls into the Bubba the Love Sponge show this morning. According to Hogan he got word that Vince McMahon was "freaked out" about the upcoming Memphis show.

Bubba then tuned in and said that he tried to get 4 $60 tickets in the "largest section" and couldn't, Bubba said the ticket sales were "doing great". Bubba was very excited and said that he is now officially on the card and will wrestle, he then went on to talk about his salary negotiations for the show.

Bubba said he told the promoter a certain price, the promoter then said he could do half that, Bubba said he only agreed to the deal because he wanted to be on the show with Hogan. Bubba said that he will be on the Howard Stern show next week to promote the Memphis show, Bubba also said that Howard 100 reporters will be covering the show. Hogan said that he will be smoking weed today because it was 4/20.

:rofl: Hogans a pothead.

[guyver2077]

:lol:

That's taken from his entrance video for the craptacular WCW Backstage Assault.

correct!

[Roufuss]

BTW, WTF is this on WWE.com?
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/maria/secretsessions/?cid=WWEWCMSS-31


Wow, what did they do to Maria?

I always thought she looked kind of plain and ugly on RAW, but she looks pretty smoking here.

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/maria/secretsessions/revealingsecret?cid=WWEWCMSS-51

This is like softcore porn.



Own the very bra and stockings she wears in Secret Sessions – signed by Maria! – go to auctions now!



I can only picture a sad, pathetic sort of wrestling fan bidding on this.

[mykevermin]

Randy Orton is this decade's HBK. He can do anything he wants and he's too high profile to get fired, because he'll go right to TNA and make a big impact.

[Pure Apathy]

Who wants to bet Orton pooped all over the hotel room?

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Who wants to bet Orton pooped all over the hotel room?

Then jumped up and hit the pose, but realized nobody was there.

[Brak]

those were the days....

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6896/ralphus2yl.jpg

I loved those days.

I wore my WCW Monday Night Jericho tshirt with pride.

you wish you were Norman Smiley....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRovVnipEBs
Norman Smiley is the fuckin' shit.

TNA dropped the ball.

[guyver2077]

New Tag Team Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brak]

Mr. Kennedy is the fuckin' shit.

[Sporadic]

I think they fired Layla and replaced her with a white girl.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8673/itdontmatterifyourblackte7.gif

[Roufuss]

Now I don't look like such an asshole for that Layla comment I made awhile ago.

I told you all she looks like a white girl now.

[VanillaGorilla]

Randy Orton is this decade's HBK. He can do anything he wants and he's too high profile to get fired, because he'll go right to TNA and make a big impact.If Kurt Angle can't make an Impact in TNA (shitty play on words), who is to say Orton will? The only reason why WWE crowds give him any kind of reaction is because the WWE tells them to. His babyface title run failed miserably, and he's incredibly boring in the ring. He's like The Rock, except without all those things that makes The Rock great.

[VanillaGorilla]

New Tag Team Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Weren't those guys on the verge of being sent back to OVW, and now they are Tag Team champions? Eh, oh well, it was a good run for the ROH'd Warriors.

[pitfallharry219]

The Bashams debuted at the TNA house show in Louisville yesterday. Danny is back to using his OVW name, Damaja. He lost a singles match to Rhino. Maybe Doug will be known as "The Machine".

[guyver2077]

layla is so hot!

[tangytangerine]

Wow, what did they do to Maria?

I always thought she looked kind of plain and ugly on RAW, but she looks pretty smoking here.

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/maria/secretsessions/revealingsecret?cid=WWEWCMSS-51

This is like softcore porn.
That's exactly why I posted it, it just seems like something WWE would never do.

Also for those that missed Impact on thursday and hoping to catch the saturday replay. You're SOL, they aired it last night at 10:00, cause SpikeTV is airing that UFC 70 program tonight from 9:00 to midnight.

[SIUfan]

Thank you Ahmed, for introducing me to the world of ROH. This shit is great.

[Zen Davis]

Thank you Ahmed, for introducing me to the world of ROH. This shit is great.
Ain't nobody dope as me, I'm just so fresh!
(so fresh and so clean!)

[guyver2077]

Ain't nobody dope as me, I'm just so fresh!
(so fresh and so clean!)

ok outkast..

[Zen Davis]

ok outkast..

yep. 8-)

[JJSP]

WWE has approached Arn Anderson about the possibility of him coming out of retirement. Triple H and Stephanie were really pushing for this. The original idea was to have him wrestle one or two TV matches with Flair to help promote the 4 Horsemen DVD.

Anderson was all for the idea but due to the legal liabilities with his condition, it would never happen. The chances of him getting injured with his preexisting injuries would be very high. The only way he’d be able to return is through a medical clearance.

Several backstage were talking about how he was going to come back as a player/coach type gimmick. Similar to Finlay’s, when he returned.
Please, Arn. Don't do it.

[Matt Young]

So, WWE.com has Dan Rodimer listed as"Dan Rodman" on its 4/20 Heat matchups.

[KaneRobot]

hkasLKLSKGLSKAGASG HOLY SHIT

UFC 70 spoiler:

Cro Cop took the most BRUTAL KNOCKOUT IN YEARS. A high kick from Gabriel Gonzaga just about fucking beheaded him, and on the way down it looks like he sustained some kind of leg injury.

Man, MMA has been really weird this year. Couture is on top, and Cro Cop gets owned? What the hell?

[tangytangerine]

Apparently Orton was sent home for trashing a hotel room, they found him passed out in his room with 30 grand worth of damage.

Seems TNA is going to have another Bound for Glory PPV away from their studio. This year's Bound for Glory will be in Chicago.

BTW, what's with WWE selling Survivor Series tickets so early? It's not like they're going to sell out immediately like Wrestlemania does.

[Sporadic]

hkasLKLSKGLSKAGASG HOLY SHIT

UFC 70 spoiler:

Cro Cop took the most BRUTAL KNOCKOUT IN YEARS. A high kick from Gabriel Gonzaga just about fucking beheaded him, and on the way down it looks like he sustained some kind of leg injury.

Man, MMA has been really weird this year. Couture is on top, and Cro Cop gets owned? What the hell?

Video link for the people like me who had no idea they were showing UFC 70 on free tv.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/UFC%2B70/video/x1s97k_ufc70nationscollideppvdsripxvidaa

[JaytheGamefan]

As much as I loved Arn's work when he was an active wrestler, I don't think he'd be of much use as a full-time or even part-time guy. Just having him come out and do a spinebuster to help Flair will be enough to make people want the Horsemen DVD, and that offers far less risk to his health. He already worked one match after retirement in '00 for WCW and that was sad enough - it's now 7 years later, although Arn hasn't visibly aged a day in a decade.

[tangytangerine]

WTF? It's a promo for WCW Superbrawl III(in 1993). I like that it's called "White Castle of Fear" and has Vader in it. :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRsgDudT7D4

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Video link for the people like me who had no idea they were showing UFC 70 on free tv.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/UFC%2B70/video/x1s97k_ufc70nationscollideppvdsripxvidaa

:shock: Holy SHIT!

[JaytheGamefan]

If it's for Superbrawl III, then it would be a '93 promo. Superbrawl IV happened in '94.

[tangytangerine]

If it's for Superbrawl III, then it would be a '93 promo. Superbrawl IV happened in '94.

Okay, edited it. It said 94 in the description for the video on youtube, but it's clearly Superbrawl 3 when they show the graphic at the beginning & end.

[Matt Young]

LSERS FROM THEIR EYES! White Castle of Fear FTW.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Cheatum rules. That is all.

[guyver2077]

http://www.tubearoo.com/articles/82391/Sable_Tory.html?autoplay=true

[Genocidal]

You should probably spoiler tag something like that, especially since there's a PPV or two before that.

[coolcolt]

Huge wwe spoiler for a ppv! Don't press if you don't want to Cena,UnderTaker and Bobby will retain their titles at Vengeance http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/Zard_2006/ven.jpg

[Demolition Man]

Cena,UnderTaker and Bobby will retain their titles at Vengeance http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/Zard_2006/ven.jpg

Fuck Cena.

[Zenithian Legend]

Cena,UnderTaker and Bobby will retain their titles at Vengeance http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/Zard_2006/ven.jpg

:applause: Good job giving away the PPV results WWE.

[GuilewasNK]

Video link for the people like me who had no idea they were showing UFC 70 on free tv.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/UFC%2B70/video/x1s97k_ufc70nationscollideppvdsripxvidaa

Good grief...

[guyver2077]

Huge wwe spoiler for a ppv! Don't press if you don't want to Cena,UnderTaker and Bobby will retain their titles at Vengeance http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/Zard_2006/ven.jpg

hope that doesnt end up happening

[DJSteel]

isn't that a promo for Vengeance??

[tangytangerine]

isn't that a promo for Vengeance??

Yeah, but they've had stuff like that before, but stuff changes. Who knows, RVD might put some drugs in Cena's car and he get busted with it :roll:. Then WWE can punish him like they did with RVD.

The one thing I don't understand is that Lashley is supposed to be in their next movie along with Triple H, Shawn Michaels & Batista. So will he have the belt when he leaves for filming?

[DJSteel]

ugh.. WWE is getting boring...

I miss this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NANkAgw2NsE

[lordxixor101]

Apparently Orton was sent home for trashing a hotel room, they found him passed out in his room with 30 grand worth of damage.

Seems TNA is going to have another Bound for Glory PPV away from their studio. This year's Bound for Glory will be in Chicago.

BTW, what's with WWE selling Survivor Series tickets so early? It's not like they're going to sell out immediately like Wrestlemania does.

Well, I would think the Survivor Series tickets selling early is so they can lock you into the PPV. This way, if the card isn't that great, your already bought in. Secondly, they get to earn money for the 6 months before the show if you get the tickets now.

Very sad about the Orton situation. I really like Orton, but this may be the final thing against him. Too bad, youngest champion ever (though, I wonder if they rushed him to the title so that Brock wouldn't be the youngest champ ever after he left). I hope he can work out his issues, but I'm guessing maybe he can't handle his success.

[Roufuss]

Hm... that made me think a little bit.

I wonder if Randy Orton is acting out like this because he WANTS to be released?

It's a crazy idea, but I doubt his contract is up anytime soon, and well, he's not really being pushed like he was awhile ago... I really doubt a title match was in his foreseeable future whether he wrecked the hotel room or not.

So I wonder if he wants to get released knowing TNA will pick him up and push him to be a big star? They push the major people WWE release pretty heavily over there (from what I've seen), and didn't Orton just feud with Angle a little awhile before Angle left WWE? Could just pick that feud back up if they wanted to.

I don't know, it's probably a little far fetched.

[CaseyRyback]

If he does leave it would be a big coup for TNA for the simple reason that he is young. Most of the talent at the top of the roster is getting close to 40 or well above it and someone like Orton could be apart of a youth invasion at the top of the card with Joe.

[tangytangerine]

Hm... that made me think a little bit.

I wonder if Randy Orton is acting out like this because he WANTS to be released?

It's a crazy idea, but I doubt his contract is up anytime soon, and well, he's not really being pushed like he was awhile ago... I really doubt a title match was in his foreseeable future whether he wrecked the hotel room or not.

If that's the case, why not ask for a release? I mean Lesnar asked and was released, so why couldn't Orton?

[pitfallharry219]

Lesnar's release was for a different reason than simply wanting to work for a different company. Lesnar also had a no compete clause until 2010.

[Roufuss]

If that's the case, why not ask for a release? I mean Lesnar asked and was released, so why couldn't Orton?

Also, to go with what was just written above me, I think it was well known Lesnar wanted to go to NFL (which isn't really a competitor), and I think during that time WWE had no competition whatsoever, correct? They had already assimilated WCW and ECW, and I don't think TNA had started just yet.

But Vince is smart, he knows as soon as Orton is fired or released he'll find a way to go to TNA.

If anything, they will bench him at home and give him a paycheck for the rest of his contract.

I just think TNA would push the hell out of Randy Orton if only because he was an "up and comer" in WWE first. If the Basham Brothers are getting some hype, imagine what someone like Orton would get?

But, it could just be Randy Orton is a douchebag... I'm just kind of pitching a wild theory here.

[KaneRobot]

WWE could release Triple H tomorrow, and TNA still wouldn't be able to figure out how to benefit from it.

[CaseyRyback]

WWE could release Triple H tomorrow, and TNA still wouldn't be able to figure out how to benefit from it.

That isn't true. They have used several talents effectively. Christian came over and has been used quite well and so has Rhino. They may have dropped the ball with Angle, but that was more due to rushing a fued that should have taken a long time to build to and an unwillingness to have him take the title right off the bat (why companies think someone coming in and getting the title right off the bat is a bad thing is beyond me, we know you think it hurts how your top guys are percieved but people like Bret and Angle are better than anyone out there and should walk right in and get the title).


Also who all has come over from the WWE that was a top/mid-card guy and not been pushed? TNA seems to always make it worthwhile for the talent that does jump.

[tangytangerine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRm96B2N16o

Why the fuck was he called Kane The Undertaker back then?

[Zenithian Legend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRm96B2N16o

Why the fuck was he called Kane The Undertaker back then?

I've wondered that for a long time as well... then they dropped the Kane part, obviously, only to pick it back up for another wrestler tied in with Taker.

[Zenithian Legend]

Where the brand extension and co-promoting PPVs going forward is concerned, he said: "We have seen over the past two years that WWE pay-per-views have had significantly better buy rates when more than one WWE brand is involved. In the future, all three brands will be contributing and promoting to the very same PPV event.

From an interview with Vince... gee Vince, ya really think having all the major talent on a ppv increases buyrates and that fans actually don't care to see Viscera vs Khali in a horse eating contest on the ppv?

Actually... now that I think about it, I would pay to see that, but you get the idea.

[JJSP]

It should also be noted that Orton's contract with the WWE expires in May 2007.
Honestly, I'd like to see Orton go to TNA.

I think a lot of his attitude problems come from the fact that he was pushed to the moon upon his arrival and that he's making a lot of money at such a young age. He's been in the company 5 years (!!) and is still pulling the rookie shit he was when he started. Perhaps getting fired and going to TNA would be the wake-up call he needs to get his act together.

Problem is, does TNA need another heel? I don't think Orton can honestly work as a face and still be believable, and there's so many heels in TNA right now he might be lost in the shuffle.

Then again, if the Marines couldn't teach him discipline, maybe no one can.

[Zenithian Legend]

I think a lot of his attitude problems come from the fact that he was pushed to the moon upon his arrival and that he's making a lot of money at such a young age. He's been in the company 5 years (!!) and is still pulling the rookie shit he was when he started. Perhaps getting fired and going to TNA would be the wake-up call he needs to get his act together.

Then again, if the Marines couldn't teach him discipline, maybe no one can.

Hey, it worked for Jeff Hardy.

As for the Marines, they did try to teach him discipline... Orton spent time in jail after he ran away from the military! Alas, Orton seems to be a slow learner.

[JJSP]

Hey, it worked for Jeff Hardy.

As for the Marines, they did try to teach him discipline... Orton spent time in jail after he ran away from the military! Alas, Orton seems to be a slow learner.
A few months teaming with Shark Boy 20,000 leagues below the TNA title should take care of that.

[Zenithian Legend]

A few months teaming with Shark Boy 20,000 leagues below the TNA title should take care of that.

The major difference though is Jeff's problems were substance related, and that he was supposedly burnt out (excuse the pun). Orton's biggest problems are ego related. There's no rehab for an over-inflated ego of a guy that got too much, too quick. I think Orton would only get cockier in TNA (if that's possible) because he'd believe he was above all the guys on their roster, save for maybe Angle.

[KaneRobot]

Just saw spoilers for tonight. I think a lot of you guys will like the main event.

[guyver2077]

Just saw spoilers for tonight. I think a lot of you guys will like the main event.

guessin cena loses..

at the tna site in the tna today section.. they interview tomko and he came out with this iwgp tag title

[BustaUppa]

as much as I disliked the outcome at wrestlemania, that was a SERIOUSLY awesome HBK/Cena montage right there. One of the most artistic video packages they've ever done. I loved it!

[Purple Flames]

Poor Carlito....

[Zen Davis]

This is actually the best Raw match I've seen in forever.

[guyver2077]

god raw has sucked

[CaseyRyback]

This is actually the best Raw match I've seen in forever.

I never in a million years thought Cena would have been put in a match that lasted an hour.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Good god it's still going!?

[CaseyRyback]

That was a great finish to a great match. Good back and forth and Shawn did a good job hiding most of Cena's flaws. Definately the best Raw match of the year and probably the best one since the TLC match between Flair and Edge.

[Sporadic]

Ok, that was one of the best endings I have seen in a long time.

This is the match that should of happened at Wrestlemania.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Jesus that match ruled, from what I saw. Flipping back and forth from hockey/Raw, I missed most of it.

[2Fast]

The match was epic, it's just too bad nothing was really on the line.

[Zen Davis]

That was amazing! I don't care what anyone says but that match was a fucking match of the Year candidate!

[Genocidal]

So much for that Edge vs Orton match, eh (was a reason ever given for that not happening or were we supposed to just forget about it?)? It's amazing what they can do when they're forced to improvise.

[Zenithian Legend]

The match was epic, it's just too bad nothing was really on the line.

Exactly! Just goes to show you that WWE absolutely doesn't have their shit together. Why not make that match for the title? HBK wins it in the UK, and then loses it back to Cena at Backlash? Who cares? Seriously, what difference does that make? It's not like HBK is a nobody that they'd be putting the title on for a week. Plus a random move like that could spike ratings, would have pleased the UK fans, and undoubtedly would've had the internet and the rest of the wrestling world buzzing about the big title change. That's WWE logic though... unless this ends with Cena vs HBK in an iron-man match, there really was no point to what took place tonight. The reality of it is Cena/HBK got the time that was originally for Edge/Orton.

[CaseyRyback]

The title on the line would have made me turn the channel. No way Cena is dropping the title on free TV. That match served its purpose as it left the fans who showed up with an epic battle that in effect helped get Cena over more than anything could have. Anyone who doesn't have a little more respect for Cena after it is never going to have anything nice to say about him.

[Demolition Man]

As much as I hate Cena... that was a great E-P-I-C TV main event. RAW needs more of this and less talking.

[Sporadic]

So much for that Edge vs Orton match, eh (was a reason ever given for that not happening or were we supposed to just forget about it?)? It's amazing what they can do when they're forced to improvise.

Orton got sent home from the European tour for "allegedly" getting drunk and destroying a hotel room.

[Genocidal]

Right, which was surprising to me that they advertised the match instead of making up some lame excuse for Orton not being there.

[Pure Apathy]

Trevor Murdoch's Redneck Destroyer was awesome! :drool:

[GuilewasNK]

I picked a hell of a time to go to bed early for a change. :roll:

[onetrackmind]

Everyone is raving about the Cena?HBK mach last night and to be honest i didn't really care for it much and turned it off halfway through the match. I don't know whats wrong with me because everyone is acting like its the best match ever on Raw.

[Roufuss]

The title on the line would have made me turn the channel. No way Cena is dropping the title on free TV. That match served its purpose as it left the fans who showed up with an epic battle that in effect helped get Cena over more than anything could have. Anyone who doesn't have a little more respect for Cena after it is never going to have anything nice to say about him.

There's the problem with WWE.... way too predictable. It's kind of sad as soon as we see a major title defense on free TV we know the title won't change hands.

If Shawn Michaels actually did the win title if it was on the line, that would have been some amazing shit... it would have added a bit of unpredictability to WWE, something which, right now, they don't have at all.

Just imagine if you did change the channel only to see "OMG I can't believe HBK pulled off a title win!!!"... you'd always be glued to your television because who knows what would happen.

[GuilewasNK]

Everyone is raving about the Cena?HBK mach last night and to be honest i didn't really care for it much and turned it off halfway through the match. I don't know whats wrong with me because everyone is acting like its the best match ever on Raw.

The best match HBK had in recent years on Raw was with Shelton Benjamin IMO. It's a shame Shelton is stuck with such a lame gimmick and mid-card status because he can wrestle his ass off.

[onetrackmind]

The best match HBK had in recent years on Raw was with Shelton Benjamin IMO. It's a shame Shelton is stuck with such a lame gimmick and mid-card status because he can wrestle his ass off.

I completely agree with that... Shelton's ring work is incredible.

[Zen Davis]

There's the problem with WWE.... way too predictable. It's kind of sad as soon as we see a major title defense on free TV we know the title won't change hands.

If Shawn Michaels actually did the win title if it was on the line, that would have been some amazing shit... it would have added a bit of unpredictability to WWE, something which, right now, they don't have at all.

Just imagine if you did change the channel only to see "OMG I can't believe HBK pulled off a title win!!!"... you'd always be glued to your television because who knows what would happen.
Remember when they changed the title every month...

Everyone is raving about the Cena?HBK mach last night and to be honest i didn't really care for it much and turned it off halfway through the match. I don't know whats wrong with me because everyone is acting like its the best match ever on Raw.

Between the story told in the ring (which was very old-school) and the fact that they let the match run fifty minutes, there was very little to not like. I think because it wasn't a spotfest, some people weren't able to get into match as much as possible.

In the match at Wrestlemania, it was established that HBK was the faster of the two wrestlers because during the opening of the match, Cena had a hell of a time catching Michaels with any punches because Michaels was too quick. Eventually though they started going back and forth, but during the start of the match, Cena just couldn't catch HBK. It was at the end, when be caught him with the STFU the second time, that he finally got HBK to tap.

So in this match, at the start, HBK concentrated on Cena's arms to nuetralize his hitting power because that was what got Cena to come back against him at the Wrestlemania match. Cena immediately went to the STFU because to him, that's all he needed to get Shawn to tap out. That's why he went for it three in the first five minutes or so. To him, once he got it hooked, Shawn would give. Then when they had the face off where Shawn slapped Cena and Cena struck him back, Michaels refused to get into a brawl with Cena because of what he experienced at Wrestlemania, even going as far as to tell the referee that Cena had closed fists.

Then the headlocks. It was goes back to capping off the quickness Shawn showed off at Wrestlemania. On a side note, if you watch the match right after the first commercial break, when J.R. says that Jerry can say an amen to the STFU being a feared hold, and all Jerry has to say is "What?" and then he wakes up in his seat and laughs. It's quite amusing. Anyway, once the headlocks come off, you can see their effect. Even though the match is just twenty percent through, Shawn appears worn out. Then after another couple of moves to Shawn's head, Cena goes back to the headlock. And again, Cena motions that he's just this close with his fingers, basically acknowledging that the victory over Shawn at Wrestlemania has given him the confidence, or perhaps arrogance, that he can beat Shawn again.

After the second commercial break, Shawn is found in another headlock and manages to break out of it only to find that his head is still pounding and he is quickly being spent. And it shows because everytime Michaels starts getting the upper hand, Cena just powers out of it, including catching Michaels with the front powerslam. And right there you can start to see Cena get anxious asking the referee what the count was. He has never done a move like that, and as such he expects results. When he finds out he didn't get the pin, he is clearly dejected. The same thing happens when he went for the Fisherman Suplex. He gets up and asks if it was a three count? Then finally after the face buster on HBK, he finally starts getting really frustrated. He lies in the ring with his hands on his head in complete frustration.

Then what Shawn starts fighting back again, Cena stops it all with the backdrop and his eagerness, tries to get a pin again. But when Michaels lands the quick neckbreaker, he damages his own head in the process, and more than that, simply has nothing left in him to try and capitalize on the move. Finally though, when HBK hits the flying forearm, Shawn catches his second wind and unleashes on Cena. Still, when he goes for the flying elbow, he collapses to the ring with his back in pain in exhaustion.

Then in another build on the Wrestlemania match, Shawn strikes up Sweet Chin Music. When Cena, at Wrestlemania, heard Sweet Chin Music coming at caught HBK with a stiff lariat. So this time, he thinks the same thing. He'll catch Shawn with a lariat and put an end to this Sweet Chin Music business and speeds at Shawn with his fist balled up. HBK however knows that this is coming, again because he experienced it before at Wrestlemania and doesn't really go for the Superkick, instead catching Cena with a backslide. And again, with the experience of Wrestlemania with him, Shawn dodges the flying shoulder block and lets Cena go flying out of the ring.

When we come back, Shawn is right on Cena's arm. But again, Cena comes alive and goes on a a rampage of lariats, shoulder blocks, a five knuckle shuffle, and a F-U. However, when Shawn kicks out, you can sense Cena really start to get angry. How many people has he beaten with the F-U, and yet after all he just dishes out to HBK, Shawn still managed to kick out. Then his heel tendencies start to come out. He throws Michaels out of the ring, which he usually never does. And then he purposefully uses the ring post on the outside, which he has NEVER done in his entire face run. He can't seem to beat Michaels through the normal methods and so he starts resorting to heel tactics. When Shawn kicks out again, you can see Cena is in disbelief and almost laughing about it and asking the crowd/tv audience, "What's it going to take?"

Out of the bear hug, Shawn starts to get the upper hand again, but once more Cena takes Shawn out by sending Micahels flying into the corner and out of the ring. Then after bringing him back in the ring, he goes for the flying legdrop on Shawn, which shows just how much he is frustrated with Shawn because he usually NEVER goes on the top rope, and then follows it up with a nonchalant cover thinking he has it in the bag. Then again, after Michaels kicks out, Cena appears lost, going as far as to ask the King, 'What's it going to take?" After considering it all, he takes Michaels to the corner for a Super F.U. because to him, he is sure it will get the job done. Shawn meanwhile is absolutely out on his feet. All he can muster up on the corner is a face shove which Cena just beats out of him. But when he gets hoisted up on Cena's shoulder, HBK wakes up and fights out of it and catches Cena with the powerbomb. It was the price Cena paid for being overanxious.Shawn ends up retorting to cheap tactics by shoving Cena from the ring apron to the table because of how exhausted he is and uses the time to gather himself a little. Then again, in another build on the Wrestlemania match, HBK goes for a piledriver on the steel steps, but this time Cena manages to counter since he knows how painful it was last time.

After the final break, Cena goes apeshit on Michaels, jumping him over the announcer table screaming, "He won't stay down!" He follows up the beatdown by throwing Michaels in the ring and slapping on the STFU, knowing that it got Michaels to tap in the last match. Michaels however guts it out to the extreme and uses every single bit of last strength that he had and barely, just barely, manages to get to the ropes. But Cena knows that HBK got to the ropes last time at Wrestlemania as well. It was when he locked on the STFU the second time that he got Michaels to tap. But he got overanxious again and Michaels caught him with the Superkick. But Shawn is just beat and can do nothing about it. After they get to their feet, Cena still groggy and Shawn spent, go back and forth for a little until Cena sends HBK flying into the corner again, and catches him in the F-U position. But Shawn manages to come out of it and catches Cena with a second Superkick and collapses on top of Cena for the pinfall.

At least that's my take on it. By the way, I don't care what anyone says, for this match the write-up was worth it. :)

[DJSteel]

Trevor Murdoch's Redneck Destroyer was awesome! :drool:

I missed it... :(

[Pure Apathy]

I missed it... :(

Well you didn't miss much... It looked just like Murdoch tried doing a Canadian Destroyer anyways. He's so big though, it ended up looking more like a sunset flip and since WWE banned the pile driver, Matt Hardy just sorta rolled on his upper back. That made the move look even worse.

I remember King saying something along the lines that he has never seen a move like that before and it was amazing. :roll:

I agree with OTM, I wasn't impressed with the HBK/Cena match.

[mykevermin]

There's something about Cena that just isn't working out, as this match would have had everyone talking if it was someone else in Cena's place.

[onetrackmind]

There's something about Cena that just isn't working out, as this match would have had everyone talking if it was someone else in Cena's place.

I'm just tired of Cena being shoved down my throat. I'm not impressed with his in ring ability whatsoever and i dont care much for his promo work. The rapping freestyle Cena is a different story though.

When hes on my tv i usually feel inclined to just change the channel... there is something about him that just rubs me the wrong way. He also seems so bland to me for being the person who is the face of the WWE right now. Nothing about him is particulary exciting or unique either.

[DJSteel]

I hate the FU.. it's a demasculinated DVD.. Saturn did it right...

[Zen Davis]

April 24th: We want to alert everyone that the 5/12 event at the Manhattan Center is almost sold out. This is the highest honor that you have ever paid ROH. The fact that ROH will get its fourth consecutive sellout at the Manhattan Center without even announcing one match shows the faith you have in our staff and wrestlers. We promise to reward you with the most important show in ROH history and a night no one will forget. You can save 20% off the few remaining tickets at ROHwrestling.com until Thursday or until they sellout. It is all about respect!

April 24th: ROH is set for the long awaited return to the Frontier Fieldhouse in Chicago Ridge, IL this Saturday. You can save 20% off tickets as part of the 20% OFF EVERYTHING SALE at www.ROHwrestling.com (http://www.rohwrestling.com/) that ends on Thursday morning. The event will feature a very unique bout that will probably never happen again. An international interpromotional dream match will see ROH World Champion Takeshi Morishima against Shingo. If Morishima is still the ROH World Champion after St. Paul he will put the belt on the line here. This match pits the top heavyweights from NOAH and Dragon Gate. We will find out who the best really is!

April 24th: This will be a big weekend for four newcomers that are looking to take a spot in ROH. Four exciting, unique individuals will make their ROH debuts in St. Paul and Chicago and they will have a chance to shine. Mike Quackenbush, Jigsaw, Hallowicked and Gran Akuma are ready to make an impact. All four are very athletic and promise to bring an exciting style to both shows. They will also get an opportunity of a lifetime in the Ultimate Endurance in St. Paul this Friday. The match is an elimination bout with each fall having a different stipulation. The final fall will be for the ROH World Tag Team Titles. The contest pits Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. Pelle Primeau & Mitch Franklin vs. Mike Quackenbush & Jigsaw vs. Hallowicked & Gran Akuma. Primeau & Franklin are also looking to solidify their spots. This is a golden opportunity for two new stars to be made in one night. With The Briscoes holding the belts all six of the challengers will soon find out that spots in ROH are earned!

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Frontier Fieldhouse
April 28, 2007- 7:30pm belltime
9807 Sayre Ave.
Chicago Ridge, IL 60415

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Cabana's Final ROH Match
Colt Cabana vs. Adam Pearce

ROH World Title Match (if Morishima is still champion)
Takeshi Morishima defends vs. Shingo

ROH World Tag Team Title Match (if Briscoes are still champions)
Jay & Mark Briscoe defend vs. Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin

Grudge Match #1
Jack Evans vs. Roderick Strong

Grudge Match #2
Austin Aries vs. Rocky Romero

Three Way Dance
Homicide vs. BJ Whitmer vs. Brent Albright

Special Challenge Match
Christopher Daniels vs. Erick Stevens

Six Man Mayhem
Delirious vs. vs. Pelle Primeau vs. Mike Quackenbush vs. Gran Akuma vs. Jigsaw vs. Hallowicked

_________________________________

I'm hoping for American Dragon vs. Morishima for 5/12.

[onetrackmind]

if i had the cash, i would make the roadtrip in a heartbeat to see Cabana's last match

[Zen Davis]

if i had the cash, i would make the roadtrip in a heartbeat to see Cabana's last match
how far are you from chicago? they still have like 6th row available for $18.

[onetrackmind]

st. louis, missouri... gas would cost me a fourtune

[Zen Davis]

st. louis, missouri... gas would cost me a fourtune

but the experience would be priceless and you could get it on dvd for an additional $20 + shipping and handling. 8-)

[tangytangerine]

Right, which was surprising to me that they advertised the match instead of making up some lame excuse for Orton not being there.

Yeah, I would've preferred that they at least try to fit Edge into the HBK/Cena match somehow, that way he is at least fighting with them.

Also, I read that they might be writing Orton out of Backlash, so don't be shocked if he isn't there sunday.

[GuilewasNK]

The FU is a move that is awesome on big guys (Big Show, Viscera), but it isn't as impressive on smaller guys. You could probably say that about any power move though.

[Zenithian Legend]

I liked the F5 no matter who Lesnar had up there. Although the move was certainly more impressive on the Big Show. I don't think he ever got a chance to do that to Vis.

[tangytangerine]

I liked the F5 no matter who Lesnar had up there. Although the move was certainly more impressive on the Big Show. I don't think he ever got a chance to do that to Vis.
Yeah, he used it last year on him sometime after June, when Vis turned heel with Charlie Haas. I remember, cause last time he was on Jimmy Kimmel Live, it was a clip of him FU-ing Viscera that they used to introduce him.

[Matt Young]

Yeah, he used it last year on him sometime after June, when Vis turned heel with Charlie Haas. I remember, cause last time he was on Jimmy Kimmel Live, it was a clip of him FU-ing Viscera that they used to introduce him.

He was talking about Lesnar F5ing Viscera, not Cena doing the FU. But I was confused for a second, too.

[Zenithian Legend]

He was talking about Lesnar F5ing Viscera, not Cena doing the FU. But I was confused for a second, too.

Err, sorry about that, I did mean Lesnar F5'ing Viscera. That'd be mighty tricky.

[tangytangerine]

He was talking about Lesnar F5ing Viscera, not Cena doing the FU. But I was confused for a second, too.
Oh, I know that never happened.

I'm in the middle of reading The Hardcore Diaries and seems Foley has a problem with Test cause he dated Stacy Keibler. Numerous times in the book, he comments on how he doesn't understand what Stacy saw in Test. Also, he notes that last year's ONS setup didn't go as planned(Terry Funk supposed to join the "Vince McMahon Kiss My Ass" Club, only to bite McMahon in the ass) and ditched that part of it cause of DX returning. He noted in the book that he's pissed at HBK & HHH cause of it, cause McMahon wanted to focus on DX instead of setting up the Edge/Foley vs. Dreamer/Funk match at ONS. Although he did get his little story angle with Melina cause McMahon turned it down.

[Matt Young]

I think Foley likes Test, but just pokes fun at him along the lines of Al Snow.

[tangytangerine]

I think Foley likes Test, but just pokes fun at him along the lines of Al Snow.
Probably, I just took it the wrong way. There's also a comment in the section where he meets Adam West & Burt Ward(the original Batman & Robin), that without Road Dogg, Billy Gunn is pretty worthless. Which is honestly true.:lol:

[pitfallharry219]

ECW Spoiler

- The ECW Originals took on The New Breed. Punk was made by Burke to sit at ringside to keep it 4 on 4 as The New Breed team is Burke, Striker, Cor Von and Thorn. They eventually get down to Burke vs RVD. Punk laid out Burke with a kick, leading to Van Dam hitting him with the frogsplash and getting the win.

Post-match, Punk hit Burke with the Go To Sleep to end the ECW taping.

[Roufuss]

So predictable.

My gf called that last week when Punk "accidentally" slid the chair past Burke to RVD.

[mykevermin]

How many pages would Tolkien's books have been if he was the WWE? Eleven?

[Pure Apathy]

This is good reason why Murdoch shouldn't use the Canadian Destoryer....

Matt Hardy was legitimately shaken up last night at RAW by the Trevor Murdoch finish, which was planned to be a Canadian Destroyer even though it didn't work out that way. It's said not to be that serious.

[Zenithian Legend]

This is good reason why Murdoch shouldn't use the Canadian Destoryer....

I like Murdoch's look, WWE needs more guys that don't look rediculously jacked up on steroids. However, that doesn't mean I like the idea of him doing moves that he probably can't do efficiently because of his pudgy frame.

Anyway, Jeff & Matt are almost guaranteed to win at Backlash, the past two week's matches have just been WWE trying to legitamize Cade & Murdoch's title shot. WWE is so dumb though, if they really wanted good tag matches, TWGTT would be in there with the Hardyz.

[coolcolt]

The Pounce!

[Demolition Man]

if i had the cash, i would make the roadtrip in a heartbeat to see Cabana's last match

I'll let EVERYONE know how Cabana's second to last match turns out. :D

[Zenithian Legend]

Batista cut a promo, saying he’d take his World Title back from Undertaker this Sunday. Undertaker responded by saying he’ll take Batista’s soul.

:rofl: that Undertaker has always been so dramatic!

[JJSP]

Since when did Brent Albright go to ROH?

Demo, you had better bring the streamers.

[Zenithian Legend]

Since when did Brent Albright go to ROH?

Demo, you had better bring the streamers.

Since WWE mysteriously released him back in October. I kinda wonder why TNA hasn't picked him up, but that's the way the cookie is delicious.

[JJSP]

Since WWE mysteriously released him back in October. I kinda wonder why TNA hasn't picked him up, but that's the way the cookie is delicious.
Thanks - unfortunately, unless I keep up with it online, there's absolutely nothing ROH-related on the west coast.

Watching ECW, I just heard Joey Styles call Sandman's somersault senton off the top called a "Rolling Rock". I love Joey Styles.

Apparently Maryse is in Playboy this month?

[hopesfall]

I think I might have to head out to see Cabana's last match here in Chicago. I've always wanted to take my girlfriend to a wrestling show, to show her "my people" in their element, but I honestly don't know if she could handle it haha.

[Zenithian Legend]

Thanks - unfortunately, unless I keep up with it online, there's absolutely nothing ROH-related on the west coast.

Watching ECW, I just heard Joey Styles call Sandman's somersault senton off the top called a "Rolling Rock". I love Joey Styles.

Apparently Maryse is in Playboy this month?

That's what I'm here for.

I read that about Maryse too, it's not supposed to be a full spread of course though.

[JJSP]

Thought I'd post this here for the west coast kids.

PWG's DDT4 Tag Team Tournament
May 19th & May 20th, 2007
West Hills, CA

NIGHT ONE
First Round
Bracket 1
Alex Shelley/Chris Sabin vs. Rocky Romero/Ricky Reyes
Chris Hero/Claudio Castagnoli vs. Jay and Mark Briscoe

Bracket 2
Jack Evans/Roderick Strong vs. Chris Bosh/Scott Lost
Davey Richards/Super Dragon vs. Naruki Doi/Masato Yoshino

"Magnum" Joey Ryan vs. Pac
"American Dragon" Brian Danielson vs. CIMA

NIGHT TWO
Second Round & Finals - Winner becomes new PWG Tag Team Champs

"American Dragon" Brian Danielson vs. Pac

PWG World Title Match
(C) El Generico vs. CIMA

More info, with pretty pictures - http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/tagteamtournament/

[Matt Young]

Copied from a Smart Marks Forum post:

TITLE CHANGES HANDS IN PARIS...AND THEN CHANGES AGAIN

At the 4/24 WWE house show in Paris, France, Mickie James defeated Melina and Victoria in a triple threat match to win the Women's Title by pinning Victoria.

2 matches later, Mickie and Melina had a rematch in which Melina won the belt back.

It is not known whether the initial title change was an accident or if it was something they decided to do for the Paris fans.

EDIT: Dave Meltzer is saying it was an accident.

[Zenithian Legend]

:-k seems odd they would have to have the match immediately after the first one, are there any more shows booked for the remainder of the week? Why not just have the title swap again the following show?

Then again, does the women's title even matter anymore? Would the fans even notice it had changed hands when Mickie appeared with it on TV...

[mykevermin]

Then again, does the women's title even matter anymore? Would the fans even notice it had changed hands when Mickie appeared with it on TV...

Lemme put it to you this way: during a recent interview to promote The Condemned, Steve Austin said he didn't know who London and Kendrick were. He was able to compliment CM Punk, however.

[JaytheGamefan]

Joey's been calling Sandman's somersault senton a "Rolling Rock" for many years now, and ECW was once again a great program this week. So far, we're 2 for 2 as far as fantastic wrestling shows go. I hope that continues with Impact and SD.

[Midnite]

Lemme put it to you this way: during a recent interview to promote The Condemned, Steve Austin said he didn't know who London and Kendrick were. He was able to compliment CM Punk, however.

That reminds me of a book signing I went to of Mick Foley's probably a good 2 years ago. My friend that was with me asked Foley to make it out to "Kerwin White," Foley looked confused and asked again. My friend told him just make it out to "Brian" and that he was just messing around to see if Foley knew the Kerwin White gimmick. Foley sat back in his chair and said something to the effect that creative never keeps up with the guys that pop in every once and a while for something on TV.

[DJSteel]

Austin is on Stern now...He said he still talks to Nash and DDP... and he also says he has a 3 picture deal with WWE

[DJSteel]

Austin just admitted to quitting because he didn't want to job to Brock Lesnar. But denied that he also quit because Lesnar was banging Deborah. He also gave props to Mr. Kennedy's mic work..

[KaneRobot]

Austin just admitted to quitting because he didn't want to job to Brock Lesnar.
So I guess NJPW can thank Austin for teaching Lesnar how to do business.

[Roufuss]

Balls Mahoney jobbing to Snitsky... :roll: I think he got in one punch and that was it.

I guess I missed a good match following that, because I just turned it off at that point.

I wonder what they are building Snitsky up for, anyways... he's demolished all of the roster that isn't currently in a feud. They squashed the Balls / Snitsky feud pretty damn fast.

It's probably just leading up to Lashley squashing him to show how invincible he is.

[Zen Davis]

This C.M. Punk storyline is about the only reason I watch ECW and he's about the only reason this Old School vs. New Breed thing has gotten interesting. Sure, some of it may be predictable, but damn if we aren't watching a superstar be born.

[tangytangerine]

The Pounce!

Yes, it's about damn time they called the move by that name.

[Pure Apathy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk04D6YPX7M


I still can't believe they had Murdoch do this move out of all the people on the WWE's roster.

[pitfallharry219]

At first, I thought Hardy just reversed the pile driver attempt and was hooking Murdoch's legs for the pin.

[DJSteel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk04D6YPX7M


I still can't believe they had Murdoch do this move out of all the people on the WWE's roster.

that was f'n horrible... I guess he was trying this...

http://www.wrestlingworld.it/multimedia/wrestlinggifs/Finisherfamose/canadiandestroyer.gif

[mykevermin]

Murdoch hooked his legs underneath Hardy's armpits (less distance to travel?), botched it, and truly looked like he hurt himself more than Hardy.

I like Murdoch, but when the WWE forces their cruiserweights to wrestle that boring punch-punch-irish whip style the heavies do, and has their heavyweights royally fucking up moves only cruisers should try (see also: Lesnar's Shooting Star Neckbreaker at WMXIX), it doesn't bode well for those still living in a naive world where they expect to see cruisers get their due. Or have a good match, for that matter.

[DJSteel]

actually now I watch it more...it looked like Matt Hardy pushed too early.. it looked like Murdoch wasn't ready, thus not having the time to jump

EDIT: or at least he wasn't able to lock his arms.

[Sporadic]

that was f'n horrible... I guess he was trying this...

*snip*

I don't think he was going for the destroyer.

It almost looked like a mix of a sunset flip powerbomb and a code red.

Murdoch hooked his legs underneath Hardy's armpits (less distance to travel?), botched it, and truly looked like he hurt himself more than Hardy.

That looks like Hardy's mistake to me.

He didn't come close to flipping and just landed on Murdoch.

has their heavyweights royally fucking up moves only cruisers should try (see also: Lesnar's Shooting Star Neckbreaker at WMXIX),

Ahem http://youtube.com/watch?v=r32kaZifKHA

[GuilewasNK]

Murdoch should call that move "Kiss my Grits".

[tangytangerine]

Just read the Smackdown spoilers, if you miss it, there's nothing worth noting. Sounds like a pretty boring show.

Here's the matchups for those wondering:

Kane & Boogeyman vs. Dave Taylor & William Regal

Deuce vs. Brian Kendrick

MVP vs. the Scotland champion, then MVP vs. Chris Benoit

Jillian Hall vs. Michelle McCool

Batista & Taker vs. Mr. Kennedy & Finlay

[Pure Apathy]

I don't think he was going for the destroyer.

It almost looked like a mix of a sunset flip powerbomb and a code red.



That looks like Hardy's mistake to me.

He didn't come close to flipping and just landed on Murdoch.


No, Murdoch was trying to do the Canadian Destroyer.


Matt Hardy was legitimately shaken up last night at RAW by the Trevor Murdoch finish, which was planned to be a Canadian Destroyer even though it didn't work out that way. It's said not to be that serious.

[Zenithian Legend]

Lemme put it to you this way: during a recent interview to promote The Condemned, Steve Austin said he didn't know who London and Kendrick were. He was able to compliment CM Punk, however.

That's awful. Shows you how much Londrick's lengthy title reign meant.

[pitfallharry219]

To be fair, he never really spent any time around the Smackdown roster lately. However, he was on ECW once.

[DJSteel]

No, Murdoch was trying to do the Canadian Destroyer.

this is like Stone Cold doing a hurricanrana ..it's not thier style...it looked amateurish at best...

[Zen Davis]

this is like Stone Cold doing a hurricanrana ..it's not thier style...it looked amateurish at best...

it looked killer... like it could have killed...

[DJSteel]

it could have..murdoch is too much of a fat ass (not technical enough) to pull this off in the ring and sell it as a finisher...

[Sporadic]

No, Murdoch was trying to do the Canadian Destroyer.

Where did that come from?

If it was suppose to be the destroyer then that was the most epic fuckup I have ever seen. He wasn't even close. Even if Matt would have completed the flip, he would have been paralysed thanks to Murdoch hooking his arms. There would have been zero protection for his neck.

[2Fast]

I think the main reason I want Cena to lose the title is in the hope that someone finally gets rid of that fucking spinner belt and brings the real WWE title strap.

[Zenithian Legend]

I've almost got to a point where I just block-out the spinner belt. How horrible...

[PhrostByte]

Where did that come from?

If it was suppose to be the destroyer then that was the most epic fuckup I have ever seen. He wasn't even close. Even if Matt would have completed the flip, he would have been paralysed thanks to Murdoch hooking his arms. There would have been zero protection for his neck.

The Canadian Destroyed is just a flip piledriver... no arm hooking done. What's his name... Teddy Hart on WSX did a flip Tiger Driver. I like Peteys more.

[Demolition Man]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/VanillaFire1000/Cenakidowned.gif

:rofl:

[CaseyRyback]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/VanillaFire1000/Cenakidowned.gif

:rofl:

I remember watching that live and that expression was just priceless.

[Bathory]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/VanillaFire1000/Cenakidowned.gif

:rofl:

Ha!...I remember watching that but I cant remember exactly when was it that happened....last year I think...

[Matt Young]

July 3, 2006 Raw. Edge beat RVD and John Cena in a triple threat to win the title by pinning RVD.

[Matt Young]

July 3, 2006 Raw. Edge beat RVD and John Cena in a triple threat to win the title by pinning RVD.

[Demolition Man]

"Look.... it even SPINS!" -RVD on the WWE Title

[niceguyshawne]

I think the main reason I want Cena to lose the title is in the hope that someone finally gets rid of that fucking spinner belt and brings the real WWE title strap.


I was watching Raw for the first time in a long time last week and was suprised that they were still using it.

[mykevermin]

When you see the number of people in the crowd wearing and holding spinning belts, it makes sense.

Cena is not a credible champ. He's barely above a capable wrestler.

He sells the fuck out of merchandise, though. Just like DX last year.

I was out studying a bit ago and oversaw a guy reading Hardcore Diaries, and we briefly discussed how "coherent storyline" ideas are nixed in favor of "quick cash in" storylines where guys who sell a fuck-ton of merchandise are pushed. It's a shortsighted goal (but really profitable in the short-term), because it doesn't build company longevity (I don't forsee a late-cereer Cena return, or Batista return, popping the crowd the way older guys do). But, when you think about the top WWE guys not as those the crowd favors, or even the best wrestlers/sports entertainers, but as the most salable, it begins to make more sense.

TNA needs to get more merch out for its top guys. Christian has been at the top for far too long there to only have one shirt (and one that's 3 months old at best).

I think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy (that guys at the top sell the most merch), and as a result, a bad proxy for how much a crowd likes or dislikes a guy. However, it's a damned good proxy for how much money they can make.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

"Look.... it even SPINS!" -RVD on the WWE Title
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2986/rvdtxbrd2.gif

[pitfallharry219]

There is a Bad News Allen tribute show on May 25th in Cochrane, Alberta with Abdullah the Butcher vs. Devon Nicholson with Gerry Morrow as referee, Samoa Joe vs. Juggernaut, Jim Neidhart vs. Tito Santana, and Johnny Devine vs. Scotty Mac with Scott D'Amore and Don Callis managing respectively.

According to OWW, Abdullah is 70 now. Add his age, his weight, and the fact that he still works matches, and it probably won't be long til he gets a memorial topic.

[GuilewasNK]

It's a damn shame that when RVD FINALLY broke through the glass ceiling that he completely fucked himself and had to drop the title.

[niceguyshawne]

Those people would probably buy/wear a belt that didn't spin though. I thought the whole "spinner" thing was over a couple of years ago.

Also, while I agree with you on Cena and Batista (and HHH for that matter), I think that Vince will still get his late career crowd pops by bringing back guys like Jericho and Booker who never really got a chance to run with the ball in the WWE.

[GuilewasNK]

Those people would probably buy/wear a belt that didn't spin though. I thought the whole "spinner" thing was over a couple of years ago.

Also, while I agree with you on Cena and Batista (and HHH for that matter), I think that Vince will still get his late career crowd pops by bringing back guys like Jericho and Booker who never really got a chance to run with the ball in the WWE.

I think Jericho did get his chance to run with it. Unified champion.

[pitfallharry219]

The only reason Jericho held it was so HHH could come back from his first quad injury and win the belt at WM 18.

[2Fast]

The only reason Jericho held it was so HHH could come back from his first quad injury and win the belt at WM 18.

It would have made better sense for them to have it on Austin or Rock though.

[pitfallharry219]

They wanted the Hogan/Rock match at Mania and they wanted Austin feuding with the NWO. So by putting it on Jericho, they could have 3 big matches.

[tangytangerine]

Austin just admitted to quitting because he didn't want to job to Brock Lesnar. But denied that he also quit because Lesnar was banging Deborah.

What? I must've missed this post. Where the fuck did that rumor of Lesnar banging Debra come from?

As for the Jericho thing, they were still doing the classic "face vs. heel champion" match ups back then. So they put the title on someone that deserved it and had it on him up until Triple H wanted the title. After that, Jericho became WWE's bitch.

[Zenithian Legend]

According to OWW, Abdullah is 70 now. Add his age, his weight, and the fact that he still works matches, and it probably won't be long til he gets a memorial topic.

On the contrary, the fact that he's still staying physically active is why there won't be one for a bit.

It's generally the last person you expect... which is why Jake will live to be 103.

[Zenithian Legend]

Batista can't tear a quad/get a career ending injury soon enough IMO.

Batista upset several WWE fans from the UK earlier in the week at an autograph signing. He didn't bother to speak or look up to the fans at the signing. He also refused to have pictures taken. One youngster named Kyle went home in tears after meeting his ex-wrestling idol. Kyle's dad said, "Kyle got a ticket and couldn't sleep the night before, he was so excited at meeting Batista and he had the afternoon off school All his mates were telling him how jealous they were. But when he got there we were told Batista would only be signing WWE merchandise. We queued for nearly two hours and he signed a WWE book, didn’t even look at him or say a word and that was it. His mum was trying to take a picture of the two on the mobile phone but his bouncers kept standing in the way to stop it. Dad also added, "And he refused to sign a birthday card that Kyle had taken in because it is his birthday in three weeks. I think it is absolutely disgraceful for a man who is loved by so many kids to behave like this. We go down to the Wolves training ground all the time and they can’t do enough for us. If they can make the effort I don't see why a jumped-up bloke in tights can’t do the the same. Kyle couldn’t stop crying."

[DJSteel]

dude Orton is the only superstar I like watching in the ring...and even then I could name 5-6 tna wrestlers i'd rather see in there...

[DJSteel]

that x division match was sweet...

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Batista's a cock, pure and simple.

[JaytheGamefan]

After the past two weeks of good Impacts, this show has been disappointing so far.

[Zenithian Legend]

Hopefully Booker T kicks his ass again.

[Zenithian Legend]

Hmm, Double J has grown his hair out again eh?

High time I remembered to watch TNA.

[Genocidal]

A pity this Last Man Standing match is so soon after Wrestlemania, because otherwise it'd be the perfect spot for Kennedy to cash in Money in the Bank.

[Zenithian Legend]

A pity this Last Man Standing match is so soon after Wrestlemania, because otherwise it'd be the perfect spot for Kennedy to cash in Money in the Bank.

I have a feeling he'll be using it against Cena anyway. Cena needs no opponents fed to him of course. Mr. Kennedy will be the first guy to win the MITB match and not win the title :roll:

[GuilewasNK]

Steiner's mastery of the English language is nothing short of spectacular.

[Zenithian Legend]

Oh now I remember why I don't watch TNA... Dudley boys :roll:

[JaytheGamefan]

Steiner, Konnan, and Shelley were absolute gold when they were talking. The in-ring stuff was just okay tonight, and what's up with debuting yet another new concept match in A - a company with about 4,000 of them and B - without any build whatsoever? The whole thing went about four minutes, and reminded me of TNA blowing a Six Sides of Steel and Ultimate X match in about that much time on the Best Damn Sports Show specials they got on FSN. Tonight, they blew a concept match, blew two potentially money-drawing main events, and then gave them bullshit finishes just like the worst of Nitro. Ugh.

[Zenithian Legend]

TNA does have a "Nitro" feel to it. Fortunately it's not the dying feeling towards the end of Nitro, more so like they're trying to build something up.

[JJSP]

Traci Brooks taking a powerbomb across the ring and hitting Eric Young in the nuts 30 seconds later is ridiculous.

[JaytheGamefan]

A running powerbomb no less. At least she sold the guitar shot.

[Zenithian Legend]

A running powerbomb no less. At least she sold the guitar shot.

That was great. She shoulda known better though, that Double J has a history of violence towards women in the ring... jobbing to Chyna before going to WCW #-o

[PhrostByte]

I thought Impact was pretty good... the X-Division match was good. I'm actually interested in seeing what happens between Dutt and Lethal. The Roode/Young segment was decent, besides Traci short-selling the power bomb. Didn't expect Double J to be Young's friend. The tag match wasn't that bad considering it included 4 hosses. Great to see Christian on the ball when it comes to keeping his team together while driving a wedge between Angle and Sting... The Paparazzi Productions skit was awesome as usual.

[tangytangerine]

A pity this Last Man Standing match is so soon after Wrestlemania, because otherwise it'd be the perfect spot for Kennedy to cash in Money in the Bank.
There's one thing that I didn't catch until I got around to watching ECW last night. The promo they're using for the match says Taker has won every specialty match he's in. Um, to my knowledge, he's never won a buried alive match and they even show that type of match in the promo.

As for Batista, I wouldn't be shocked he leaves soon or is released(there's a rumor right now that one of their big stars is leaving soon). Sounds like he's burned out and doesn't give a damn anymore. I'm guessing after Backlash, they'll have him completely out of the title picture.

Also wanted to comment on why WWE hasn't fired Orton or Carlito. It's cause they're afraid of releasing them, cause they know they'll go directly to TNA. They're still pissed Angle went there, cause they didn't want him dying on their watch and released him to help improve his health. Sadly that didn't happen and if he does die, TNA better have one hell of a PR guy.

[GuilewasNK]

Orton should have been released long ago due to his consistent unprofessional behavior. They should keep Carlito. While I don't think his wrestling is all that great, he is a excellent speaker and he hasn't had nearly the laundry list of incidents that Orton has. Squeaky wheel shoould get the grease in his case IMO.

[Zen Davis]

April 27th: Respect will be on the line when Ring Of Honor returns to action TONIGHT in downtown St. Paul at the St. Paul Armory on 600 Cedar Street. The event will be headlined by Austin Aries challenging Takeshi Morishima for the ROH World Title. This is similar to when Aries defeated Samoa Joe to win the ROH World Title at "Final Battle 2004." Joe was seen as the unbeatable big man back then just like Morishima is now. Aries is a much smarter and more polished wrestler now. Can Aries' get a flurry together like the famous crucifix bomb, kick to the head, brainbuster and 450 that finished Joe's 21 month title reign. There will be tickets available at the door and belltime is 8:00pm. We hope to see you TONIGHT for ROH's return to St. Paul and the Twin Cities.

April 27th: Is it really true that Colt Cabana's final night is tomorrow in Chicago? The fact is that Cabana's great ROH run will end in his hometown this Saturday when ROH returns to the Frontier Fieldhouse on 9807 Sayre Ave. in Chicago Ridge, IL with a zip code of 60415. Belltime is 7:30pm and there will be tickets available at the door. Be there to show your appreciation for one of Chicago's finest. Cabana says this will be a night that he will never forget and he looks forward to showing the ROH fans how much he appreciates their support.

April 27th: Earned is the only way to get a roster spot in ROH. No one is handed anything for political or other reasons in ROH. This weekend will be a true test for four newcomers in Mike Quackenbush, Jigsaw, Hallowicked and Gran Akuma as they try to earn spots on the ROH roster. They will get a chance of a lifetime tonight in St. Paul in the Ultimate Endurance that could end in new ROH World Tag Team Champions. The Champions, Jay & Mark Briscoe, are determined to prove why they are the best duo in the sport today. The Briscoes are really looking forward to competing against Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin on Saturday in Chicago. This one actually pits two of the most successful gaijin tag teams in Japan. Shelley & Sabin have won titles in Zero-One while The Briscoes won gold in NOAH. This will be tag team wrestling at its finest and if The Briscoes make it to Chicago with the belts they will put them on the line against Shelley & Sabin.

April 27th: The buy 3, get 1 free sale on all ROH show, Straight Shootin' and Secrets Of The Ring DVDs will be in effect this weekend at the live events. There is now a 15% off everything sale at www.ROHwrestling.com (http://www.rohwrestling.com/) including all the new releases and live event tickets to every show. We are very proud to release the last two events of the Fifth Year Festival this weekend. "Fifth Year Festival: Liverpool" has the dramatic Samoa Joe vs. Nigel McGuinness bout, Jay & Mark Briscoe defend the ROH World Tag Team Titles vs. Naruki Doi & Shingo, Matt Sydal vs. Delirious 2/3 Falls and much more!!! "Fifth Year Festival: Finale" features Samoa Joe's final ROH match as he takes on Homicide plus the entire post-match goodbye, Jay Briscoe vs. Mark Briscoe, Nigel McGuinness vs. Jimmy Rave in a brutal Fight Without Honor plus much more. Check out both these releases at the live shows and at ROHwrestling.com this weekend.

April 27th: We are sorry to announce that Jack Evans has been called to Japan and will not be on the May 11th and 12th events.

April 27th: Jimmy Jacobs will be in both St. Paul and Chicago this weekend. Jacobs will not be able to wrestle for 6-9 months. Last week saw Jacobs undergo successful surgery on his knee. His torn ACL was replaced with a tendon from his hamstring. It was also found that Jacobs had a partially torn meniscus, which was also repaired.

April 27th: The first talents for ROH's debut in Tokyo on July 16th have been announced. ROH is very excited to welcome Ricky Marvin as he will make his ROH debut in Tokyo. Also signed for this historic event are ROH World Champion Takeshi Morishima, KENTA, Naomichi Marufuji and Go Shiozaki. We'll have much more news soon on these shows!!!

April 27th: We will be back with some major news for many upcoming shows next week in the ROHwrestling.com Newswire. We hope to see you in St. Paul and Chicago this weekend.

[guyver2077]

July 3, 2006 Raw. Edge beat RVD and John Cena in a triple threat to win the title by pinning RVD.

dont even remind us of that horrible date

fuck edge

[Nightfall]

dont even remind us of that horrible date

fuck edge

...says the guy with the Goldberg avatar?

[Zen Davis]

The lack of Joe on Impact is insane.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

...says the guy with the Goldberg avatar?

:rofl:

[GuilewasNK]

The lack of Joe on Impact is insane.

There should be a wrestler named Joe Impact.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

Rob Van Dam has turned down WWE's latest contract offer. His current contract is set to expire ovet the summer; possibly in late July, but it hasn't been confirmed. However, until the deal expires, there's always a chance that the two sides could come to an agreement.

The creative team has been instructed to focus their attention on CM Punk and Elijah Burke so that if RVD does indeed leave the company, it won't be too strong of a blow to the ECW storylines.

I hope somethings worked out, cause I really don't feel like watching TNA :lol:

[Zenithian Legend]

There's one thing that I didn't catch until I got around to watching ECW last night. The promo they're using for the match says Taker has won every specialty match he's in. Um, to my knowledge, he's never won a buried alive match and they even show that type of match in the promo.

That's just not true, I can recall Taker & Show beating Rock & Foley in a tag team buried alive match. I vividly remember Foley getting tossed off the SD entrance way and bouncing into the grave :lol:

As for Batista, I wouldn't be shocked he leaves soon or is released(there's a rumor right now that one of their big stars is leaving soon). Sounds like he's burned out and doesn't give a damn anymore. I'm guessing after Backlash, they'll have him completely out of the title picture.

We can only hope so. I think that "big star" is RVD though. Those websites always tend to exaggerate. While RVD was a big star at one point, he really isn't now that WWE has stuffed him into ECW with no hope of ever winning the title again.

Also wanted to comment on why WWE hasn't fired Orton or Carlito. It's cause they're afraid of releasing them, cause they know they'll go directly to TNA. They're still pissed Angle went there, cause they didn't want him dying on their watch and released him to help improve his health. Sadly that didn't happen and if he does die, TNA better have one hell of a PR guy.

Oh, it's true, it's damn true!

[Zenithian Legend]

http://contracts.onecle.com/wwe/mcmahon.emp.2000.02.15.shtml

It's old, it may or may not be legit, but enjoy!

[tangytangerine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W3_VdlXmQ0
:rofl:From Fall Brawl '98. Watch Jericho & "Goldberg"'s entrances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDu3aSk75Ls

Seeing this makes me wish they'd at least have Cena do the raps again.

[Brak]

Being a huge fan of performance arts, I admire the fact that Boogeyman puts 320% into his character.

[MorbidAngel4Life]

And -500% into the ring work.

[VanillaGorilla]

If I lived in the cities, I probably would be going to that ROH show, even though I haven't followed ROH since Death Before Dishonor IV. Hopefully, they will come back to St. Paul for a 4th time, and I'll be living in that general area, and I can hit it up. I have NEVER been to a pro wrestling show. Shoot, I've never been to a concert either.

[Brak]

And -500% into the ring work.
He's old, and he's new to the ring.

I think he's decent in the ring.

[Zenithian Legend]

Seeing this makes me wish they'd at least have Cena do the raps again.

Makes me wish Cena would die... ya know, not literally but his character & his career. Seriously, how did this idiot ever get over with that retarded gimmick to begin with?

I did like the Jericho/Goldberg match though. Classic Jericho, why couldn't he have been pushed instead of Cena?

[pitfallharry219]

Anybody else notice the toothless woman in the WCW video on the previous page?

[Zen Davis]

Results and Spoilers From Tonight's ROH Show in St. Paul, MN - 04/27/07




From the ROH.com message boards

Pre-show:

1. Bobby Dempsey, Alex Payne and Ernie Osiris defeat Dingo Warrior, Roc and some other guy whose name I didn't catch.

Main Show:

1. Minnesota Home Wrecking Crew defeats Dangerous Angels when Lacey pinned Alison after a Implant DDT.

2. Do Or Die Match: Rhett Titus vs. some Canadian guy who looked a lot like Rhinn ended in a no contest when Jimmy Rave attacked Titus!

3. Jimmy Rave defeats the Canadian Guy with a Heel Hook.

4. SHINGO defeats BJ Whitmer with a modified Psyho Driver. Great match

5. Ultimate Endurance Tag Match:
a. Jay Briscoe made Mitch Franklin tap with a Stretch Plum
b. Briscoes pin Gran Akuma after a Legdrop/Burning Hammer combo
c. Briscoes pin Mike Quackenbush after a Springboard Doomsday Device

6. Brent Albright & Adam Pearce defeat Colt Cabana & Homicide when Albright pins Cabana after a High-Angle German Suplex. Wild, fantastic brawl

INTERMISSION

[2Fast]

Give me a "hell yeah" if you're going to see The Condemned!

[Zen Davis]

Give me a "hell yeah" if you're going to see The Condemned!

No. I'll be seeing Hot Fuzz and Grindhouse on the other hand. :)

[Demolition Man]

Just got back from the ROH show. It was good. Not as great as the previous two shows we got but still good overall. Best match of the night to me was the Ultimate Endurance Tag Team Title match. Lots of great stuff. Homicide/Cabana vs Albright/Pearce was good as well along with Strong vs Daniels (minus the Dusty Finish to Strong vs Daniels... and I mean that was a fucking strong ass Dusty Finish).

I'll post more later on my thoughts on the show.

[Zen Davis]

Results and Spoilers From Tonight's ROH Show in St. Paul, MN - 04/27/07 Part 02




From the ROH.com message boards

7. Rocky Romero won the 4 Corner Survival after pinning Jack Evans following a Tiger Suplex and a Buzzsaw Kick. Fun, spot-filled match.

8. Roderick Strong defeats Christopher Daniels by countout. Daniels got his ankle trapped in the baricade after trying to give Strong an Angel's Wings on it.

9. The total destruction of Austin Aries (aka the World Title Match) is up.
-Aries was getting demolished but is making a comeback.
-Aries gets The Combo! MORISHIMA GETS THE FEET ON THE ROPES!
-Aries goes for another 450. Morishima's up...BACKDROP DRIVER OFF THE TOP ROPE! LARIAT! 1...2..........NO! ARIES KICKS OUT!
-Backdrop Driver! 1...2...3!

Takeshi Morishima retains the ROH Title. What a match. What a show.

On a side note, Roderick Strong is tearing it up as a heel. Here are some responses to the show from the ROH forums and thanks for your opinion on the show Demolition Man. I can't wait to read what else you have to add. Thanks! Unfortunately though, it looks like Ring of Honor won't be returning to the St. Paul area for a while.

Here's some notes:

-Jimmy Jacobs accompanied MHWC to the ring on crutches and tripped up Danger leading to Lacey's Implant DDT.
-Jimmy Rave was SO over as a face that it made me cry.
-CHIKARA guys were good in the Scramble fall, especially Jigsaw. It was kind of hard to keep up with the match as I was trying to post fall updates here. Briscoes were the big stars though.
-The Anything Goes Fight went all over the building with a lot of weapons used. Great brawl.
-Erick Stevens chops just as hard as Roderick does. OUCH!
-Delirious had many many comedy spots with everyone in the match. He was hilarious.
-Here's a better description of the finish to that match. Roderick tears down the barricade and tries to Tiger Driver Daniels on it. He counters and they trade forearms and chops. Daniels goes for Angel's Wings but Strong chops him off. Daniels falls to the floor but his foot was wedged in the barricade. He sells a bad ankle injury and gets counted out.
-The main event was great. Probably not as good as the matches vs. Joe or Nigel but still great.
-No return date was announced so I'm a sad panda :(

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100x times better then the last MN show and the last one wasn't that bad. Top to bottom great card, great atmosphere.

After a show like that how can they not come back to MN?

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Wow, I just got back from the show, and I'm still feeling the ROH high. It was my first ROH show, and what a great one to go to. From chanting "Rhino" at the guy with unreal written on his trunks, to Colt Cabana flying right next to my and my dad, I got to say it was a great show. I suggest all you guys get the DVD when it comes out. Hopefully I got on there! :)

Thank you Gabe and everybody else involved with Ring Of Honor. Hope you continue to visit the Saint Paul area.

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Got back from the show, every match save the Do or Die (which was more for an angle) was awesome IMO, I had actually thought Aries was winning (and thought he had won before I realised Mori got his foot on the ropes.)

Roddy pulled some great heelouts, at the start of the match he did some pushups in the ring...

Me: You are NOT Scott Steiner
RS: He's not the only guy in the world that does pushups, you should try some sometime.
Me: (pause) I do 500 a day thank you

Later in the match he pulls the kiss bicept, elbow drop, more pushups.

Rave also had one good heel moment, after his match (where he got a Hero's Welcome no pun intended) I put my hand out.

JR: Up here
*I go to slap his hand, he pulls away*
JR: Maybe next time
Me: **** You Jimmy you cocksucker.

[tangytangerine]

Anybody else notice the toothless woman in the WCW video on the previous page?

I didn't catch that, when do they show her?

As for last night, watching the main event made me wish Batista would be fired or injured. He absolutely sucks right now.

[guyver2077]

Give me a "hell yeah" if you're going to see The Condemned!

i hope to check it out today...

[Zenithian Legend]

Uh oh...

The Condemned finished in 8th place at the box office last night as it made a mere $1.3 million in 2,310 theaters on its opening night. At this point, the movie is projected to take in $3.5 million during its opening weekend, which is far below anyone's expectations. This would have to be considered a bomb. Several people were predicting the movie to rake in between $7 and $10 million on its opening weekend.

For comparison purposes, See No Evil pulled in an estimated $4.35 million in box office sales on its opening weekend. The film was sixth in the weekend box office totals and ended up making $15,387,513 worldwide when it was all said and done. The Marine earned $7 million in its first week of domestic sales, coming in third place for the weekend. It ended up making $20,226,432 worldwide. And last but not least, WCW's movie Ready To Rumble drew $5,257,778 in its opening weekend in April 2000.

The Condemned cost $20 million to make. Also, The Marine was budgeted to cost $15 million to make, but it ended up costing between $22 and $23 million to make. See No Evil cost roughly $8 million to make.

[Zenithian Legend]

Taking it a little further... when factoring in dvd rentals/sales, See No Evil has made another $16+ million. So on the whole it made about $32 million, cost $8, thus you get a profit of $24 million. Math is fun.

The Marine, cost $22.5, made back about $20 million in theaters, and then another $24 million in dvd rentals/sales. Putting the Marine at $44 million, take out the $22.5 costs, and you get $21.5 million. Not too shabby. I guess that's why Cena is where Cena is.

Should Austin fail to out-earn Cena... ooh boy, that'll put an interesting spin on things IMO.

[Sporadic]

Uh oh...

The Condemned finished in 8th place at the box office last night as it made a mere $1.3 million in 2,310 theaters on its opening night. At this point, the movie is projected to take in $3.5 million during its opening weekend, which is far below anyone's expectations. This would have to be considered a bomb. Several people were predicting the movie to rake in between $7 and $10 million on its opening weekend.

For comparison purposes, See No Evil pulled in an estimated $4.35 million in box office sales on its opening weekend. The film was sixth in the weekend box office totals and ended up making $15,387,513 worldwide when it was all said and done. The Marine earned $7 million in its first week of domestic sales, coming in third place for the weekend. It ended up making $20,226,432 worldwide. And last but not least, WCW's movie Ready To Rumble drew $5,257,778 in its opening weekend in April 2000.

The Condemned cost $20 million to make. Also, The Marine was budgeted to cost $15 million to make, but it ended up costing between $22 and $23 million to make. See No Evil cost roughly $8 million to make.

Not a big surprise in my eyes. A good movie from the WWE camp is too little, too late after SNE/Marine.

It will make bank though when it hits DVD.

[2Fast]

:rofl:

I saw The Condemned earlier today (no worries, it was free).

The movie brought me to tears twice; one of the most unintentionally funny movies I have ever seen.

Numerous cliches, bad acting, and forced socio-political themes be damned, this movie was enjoyable.

[Zenithian Legend]

Bah, if they wanted to do a psuedo-running man, they should've at least given Arnie a cameo!

[Genocidal]

Christopher Daniels officially finished his Ring of Honor run tonight at their Chicago Ridge, Illinois event, cutting a heel promo where he praised TNA and "quit" Ring of Honor after wrestling Erick Stevens to a draw.

Daniels, who claimed in the promo that he wished he never had returned to the company after TNA pulled him previously, had turned the crowd completely against him by the end of his speech. Daniels also claimed he was going to have his own "Farewell tour" (playing off Samoa Joe's farewell run), announcing it would end when he walked up the aisle and returned to the locker room.

This isn't the start of a new storyline - Daniels is legitimately finished with ROH as of tonight. From this point on, much like Samoa Joe and AJ Styles when they were no longer being booked regularly by ROH, Daniels will be focus primarily on TNA and independent bookings made through TNA's office.

That was both expected and completely out of nowhere.

[Zen Davis]

Christopher Daniels officially finished his Ring of Honor run tonight at their Chicago Ridge, Illinois event, cutting a heel promo where he praised TNA and "quit" Ring of Honor after wrestling Erick Stevens to a draw.

Daniels, who claimed in the promo that he wished he never had returned to the company after TNA pulled him previously, had turned the crowd completely against him by the end of his speech. Daniels also claimed he was going to have his own "Farewell tour" (playing off Samoa Joe's farewell run), announcing it would end when he walked up the aisle and returned to the locker room.

This isn't the start of a new storyline - Daniels is legitimately finished with ROH as of tonight. From this point on, much like Samoa Joe and AJ Styles when they were no longer being booked regularly by ROH, Daniels will be focus primarily on TNA and independent bookings made through TNA's office.
WOW! Not only is Chicago the last of Colt Cabana's run in Ring of Honor, but Christopher Daniels' as well! That's insane!

[PhrostByte]

That was both expected and completely out of nowhere.
I wonder why he plugged TNA so much... maybe they have a working agreement? Or maybe that's ROHs way of taking a shot at TNA?

[GuilewasNK]

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[Zen Davis]

I wonder why he plugged TNA so much... maybe they have a working agreement? Or maybe that's ROHs way of taking a shot at TNA?

It was his way of going out as a heel in case he ever does come back.

[Zen Davis]

Results From Tonight's ROH Show in Chicago, IL - 04/28/07

--Delirious won the six man mayhem, pinning Akuma with what I believe was the Chemical Imbalance II. Jigsaw was in the match (even after getting knocked silly last night) and Quack was over huge.

--Erick Stevens and Chris Daniels went to a draw. After the match, Daniels quit and wished he never returned to ROH.

--Brent Albright won the Four Way Dance, pinning BJ Whitmer after an Exploder Suplex. Homicide and Jimmy Rave were also in the match. It was said to be "Stiff," whatever that means.

--Austin Aries defeats Rocky Romero with the 450 Splash. Afterward, Roderick "Pinchable Cheeks" Strong came in for the beat down on Aries, but Delirious was in to make the save.

Announcement: ROH returns to Chicago on June 23 with the return of Marafuji AND Bryan Danielson v. KENTA. His matches just aren't the same without the high pitched japanese girl screams.

--Morishima defeats Shingo with a suplex. Might not be the Back Drop Driver.

--Intermission probably took place.

--Bobby Dempsey v. Sugarfoot is set. Tank Toland is out. It turns into Toland v. Sugarfoot, and Sugarfoot is mauled. Mauled like a bear. Tank Toland wins. Toland now offers to train Bobby Dempsey.

--Roderick Strong defeats Jack Evans with a crucifix into something. I believe it killed Evans. Then Romero joined in on a beating and Delirious made the save again, cutting a promo.

--Current Match: ROH Tag Team Titles. The Briscoes defeat The Motor City Machine Guns. (I would like to point out that in the opening moments of the match, Chris Sabin dove into his corner to retreat and was petted by Shelley as a means of comfort.) This is all my friend had to say: "****ing awesome match." Evidently it lived up to the hype. Not sure what was the finishing move that put the MCMG away.

--Main Event: Colt Cabana makes Adam Pearce submit. That's all I got.

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Pre-Show:

- Rhett Titus def. Ernie Osiris.

It wsas the students. Titus reminded me of a Johnny Nitro ripoff. Basic match. Not much to it

- Mitch Franklin def. Mandingo and Billy Bob(?, the announcer mumbled his name) in a Three Way Dance.

Decent action from the kids with Franklin scoring the opportunistic rollup after Mandingo was pushed off the top rope to the floor.

- Lacey (w/Jimmy Jacobs) def. ?? (Again, the announcing during the dark matches was not good.)

A somewhat sloppy and brief match. Was rather forgettable.

A brief intermission and on we went to the show.

- Delirious def. Gran Akuma, Jigsaw, Pelle Primeau, Mike Quackenbush and Hallowicked in a Six-Man Mayhem match.

A highly entertaining spotfest, with some good comedic moments thrown in by Delirious as always. Mike Quackenbush was very impressive.

- Christopher Daniels and Erick Stevens went to a 15 minute draw.

Decent action with Stevens using a lot of big-man offense with Daniels obviously not trying very hard. The finish was disappointing.

After the match, the crowd and Erick wanted five more minutes. Daniels wouldn't give it to him and told him to leave the ring as he had something to say. He then cut a heel promo on the crowd, saying that they don't appreciate him, that he's tired of being stuck in mid-card matches. He went on to say that the fand may think TNA was evil for taking Joe away and taking him away the first time, but his paychecks told the real story. Needless to say, this gained a lot of heat rather quickly. He then said that he quit ROH and threw Allison Danger to the ground. As Daniels went to the back, he was confronted by BJ Whitmer, who helped Allison to her feet and to the back.

- Brent Albright def. Jimmy Rave, BJ Whitmer and Homicide in a Fatal Four Way.

Solid match. Rave was a last minute addition as it was supposed to be a three-way match initially. Rave took himself out of the match after taking a top-rope jawbreaker from Homicide and a stiff lariat from Albright in succession. He went to the back.

- Austin Aries def. Rocky Romero

Good match. I had never seen Rocky Romero before now, but I saw that he is a good wrestler, one that can have a good match with Aries. After the match, Strong came out to attack Aries with Delirious making the save.

- Takeshi Morishima def. Shingo to retain the ROH World Title.

This was a much better atch than I expected it to be. It started off like it was going to be the squash I expected. But Shingo was able to put together some good offense and believable nearfalls on the big guy. At one point, it seemed like the ref counted three when Shingo had Morishima pinned. Certainly a wonderful surprise.

(Intermission)

Alex "Sugarfoot" Payne and Bobby dempsey came out for a match. This was strange to see the students being booked after a World Title match. As they were about to start, Tank Toland came to the ring, insulting both Dempsey and Payne, caliming to be a "superior athlete". He then offered to make Bobby Dempsey his protege and then set out to make an example out of Payne.

- Tank Toland def. Alex "Sugarfoot" Payne

The "Cult of Sugarfoot" continues in Chicago. But, no amount of crown heat could save him from this brief disaster of a match.

Afterwards, Toland, while still insulting Dempsey beckoned him to the back for his training. Somehow, I really don't care where this storyline is going.

- Roderick Strong (w/ Rocky Romero) def. Jack Evans

Good match. Strong's style works best with Evans, who can take a bump and twist and bend like no other. Jack did manage to get some of his high-flying offense in, but Strong proved to be too much for him.

Afterwards, Strong and Romero doublle-teamed Evans, with Romero kicking a chair into Evans' face. Delirious came out for the save again. From what I can gather, I assume that he challenged the No Remorse Corps. Has Jack Evans found someone to start his own stable with?

- The Briscoes def. The Motor City Machine Guns (Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin) to retain the ROH World Tag Team Titles.

Wow. This was easily match of the night. The Briscoes are so fluid as a tag team and their no-nonsense, smash mout style is one to be respected. Sabin and Shelley both oozed charisma, causing them to be cheered moreso than booed, despite being the heels. There were a few comedic spots and a couple of great ????, but for the most part, there was energy, personality, great tandem offense by both teams and lots of plausible nearfalls. It goes to show how much both Sabin and Shelley are being misused in TNA because they work well as a tag team and Sabin has charisma if given a chance to show it. Great match.

The announcement was made for ROH's return to Chicago on June 26th with Morishima to appear as well as Marafuji and a return match of Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA.

- Colt Cabana def. Adam Pearce (w/ Shane Hagadorn)

What else can be said? it was Colt's final ROH match After the ring waas flooded with streamers, Pearce attacked Cabana during the ring announcement. Colt used the streamers to his advatage, taking Pearce off his feet. It then became a classic Colt comedy match, with pearce playing his role well too. Colt beat him with an inverted boston crab.

Afterwards, Colt spoke to the fans and to Pearce. Pearce then went into their history and, just as you think Pearce is going to show him some respect, he spat in Colt's face and walked off. Colt then spoke to the crowd and the locker room as they gathered in the ring. He said this wasn't a goodbye, but a celebration of the best wrestling company. He thanked Cary Silken and the fans. It was the emotional farewell you expected but it was done with class, Cabana style.

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The Daniels Promo That Crashed the ROH Website:

Daniels got on the mic and gave one of the greatest promos I have heard in sometime "I'm going to tell you no. I'm pulling status" Daniels noted as he laughed into his thoughts while telling Stevens to "vacate as I have something to say."

Daniels talked about his exile from ROH after the Rob Feinstein-Perverted Justice issue. "Two years back my exile ended and I should have never come back. I fought tooth and nail and you don't even care. I'm inconsequential" He went on to say he was taken for granted and asked when the last time he was given a shot at the world championship rather then "fill in matches" and "four corner scrambles." He said "four corner scrambles" with amazing sarcasm.

He felt like he was treading water while the breaks belong to others. He mentioned his world tag team championship title reign with Matt Sydal and how the fans viewed them as "ham sandwiches" waiting to lose the titles to Aries & Strong or the Briscoes. "You gave up on us."

Then he hit a point "just because I'm part of TNA and the only people thinking there is a rivalry is you people. I was forced to make a decision three and a half years ago and I chose TNA." He then noted his bank statement was much bigger then Bryan Danielson. "Six figures."

He then got super personal "Do you think I can feed my daughter because you idiots chant this is awesome?" He did the clap by hitting the top of the microphone. He then talked about his son and the internet "giving me a four star match with Austin Aries." He then ripped hard on the fans saying "you have less then no knowledge of this business." "You used me up the same way you used up Samoa Joe." He also said "TNA tried to protect Joe from you people."

Daniels also mentions C.M Punk and Colt Cabana "who you will forget in a week. The official Chris Daniels Farewell tour is starting now and ends once I step behind the curtain you people have seen my last ROH match, you broke my heart, I quit."

The crowd was so hot for him now chanting Don't Come Back. He pushed down Allison Danger and went to the back. What a fantastic promo to leave the company under as it was full of real feeling and emotion being used in this setting

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Shingo Is Also Gone

Beyond the departures of Colt Cabana and Christopher Daniels (who quit the promotion in storyline during what was actually his final scheduled appearance) last night in Chicago, yesterday was also the final scheduled appearance for Dragon Gate star Shingo Takagi, who will be returning to Japan after spending several months in the United States to gain experience.

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Additional Notes on Motor City Machine Guns (Chris Sabin and Alex Shelly) vs. The Briscoes

Mark & Jay Briscoe defeated The Motor City Machine Guns. (Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley) in 34:19 after Mark delivered a cutthroat driver to Shelley while at the same time Jay came off the top rope with a guillotine legdrop. Match of the night.

An outstanding showcase of tag team wrestling by a very strong and powerful team (Bricoes) and a graceful team who should be a permanent tag team every Thursday night on Spike TV. I was amazed how good the former Murder City Machine Guns were live and how well their double teams worked and how they gelled together. I have 7 pages of notes on this match alone, and it was anything but a let down as it started slow but built up towards a crazy finish and so many near falls toward the end. Really, anything I write here doesn't do this baby justice please get the DVD and please bring back the Motor City Machine Guns to ROH. They impressed the s*** out of me and it sure beats anything with them jumping out of a tree onto Bob Backlund. This f****** ruled.

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"American Dragon" Bryan Danielson also looks set to return to Chicago and ROH on 6/23 to face KENTA.

[tangytangerine]

Wow, WWE is considering two options to punish Orton.

1) Sending him to ECW or Smackdown. He(like WWE) consider Raw as the company's "A game" and being sent to either brand as being knocked down a peg.

2) Taking him off of the PPVs. This would hurt him finanically, since he wouldn't earn any of his PPV bonuses.

Either way, don't expect him to win tonight's match.

[PhrostByte]

I want to see that Daniels promo. Hopefully he doesn't have that goofy Babylon 5 face paint that he has in TNA (I don't actually watch Babylon 5, so I don't know, first thing that came to mind) :)

[Zen Davis]

I want to see that Daniels promo. Hopefully he doesn't have that goofy Babylon 5 face paint that he has in TNA (I don't actually watch Babylon 5, so I don't know, first thing that came to mind) :)
I don't believe he uses the face paint in ROH.

EDIT: I WAS WRONG! Images from the show inside the spoilers.



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Wow, WWE is considering two options to punish Orton.

1) Sending him to ECW or Smackdown. He(like WWE) consider Raw as the company's "A game" and being sent to either brand as being knocked down a peg.

2) Taking him off of the PPVs. This would hurt him finanically, since he wouldn't earn of his PPV bonuses.

Either way, don't expect him to win tonight's match.
And I can't believe that at all. Orton for the win! There is no way Orton would deserve that. He is the future of WWE.

[PhrostByte]

Yea... definitely want to see the Daniels promo and Briscoes vs. Sabin/Shelley... Are they going to release this show on DVD?

[Zenithian Legend]

Wow, WWE is considering two options to punish Orton.

1) Sending him to ECW or Smackdown. He(like WWE) consider Raw as the company's "A game" and being sent to either brand as being knocked down a peg.

2) Taking him off of the PPVs. This would hurt him finanically, since he wouldn't earn any of his PPV bonuses.

Either way, don't expect him to win tonight's match.

Orton on ECW would be hilarious, and give Lashley someone to feud with.

They've already tried moving him to SD, in fact Orton started on SD. Neither time ended well.

[GuilewasNK]

Orton's ass should be Roger Goodell'd for the year.

[mykevermin]

I don't know how I'd feel if I were a SD/ECW guy, dealing with the idea that your coworker, as *punishment*, has to work with you now. :lol:

It's funny to see the WWE is so scared right now. They're gonna let the inmates run the asylum rather than punish any of them at all. Trust me, this will eventually backfire on WWE - the biggest punishment they can do is to shift a guy on shows? They're scared as hell of TNA at the moment, and they have every reason to be, frankly. I like what TNA is doing, and if they had a two-hour show to spread out all these storylines on, it would be evident how good they are (and how good their wrestlers can be).

Buncha pansies in WWE, man. Pansies. What's the over/under on the number of months until Orton throws another temper tantrum? 7?

[Zen Davis]

Yea... definitely want to see the Daniels promo and Briscoes vs. Sabin/Shelley... Are they going to release this show on DVD?

They usually release every show of theirs on DVD a month a half after the live event.

[tangytangerine]

Orton on ECW would be hilarious, and give Lashley someone to feud with.

Or worse, have him job to Snitsky in 1 minute matches for two months. :lol: