Spring Dashboard Update Discussion - May 9th

[GizmoGC]

The Spring Update will arrive and we will have new features, and hopefully no new issues (like the last one). Unknown what time it will hit...

Some Features...

* The update hits the beginning of the week of May 7th
* Your contact list will now integrate Windows Live Messenger, and show joinable session status
* Messenger contacts can see what game you're playing, and your gamertag
* Marketplace will now have its own blade, which will be skinned independent of your theme
* Users will now get inline achievement updates (i.e. see what achievement you just unlocked and how much it's worth).
* Low-power download mode and auto-shutdown
* Progressive download: watch, fast-forward, and rewind partially downloaded movies
* You can text chat messenger six friends playing games watching movies
* Multiple tweaks on the user interface

[tiredfornow]

Looks like tomorrow is the big day! The Spring Update will arrive and we will have new features, and hopefully no new issues (like the last one). Unknown what time it will hit...

Some Features...

* The update hits the beginning of the week of May 7th
* Your contact list will now integrate Windows Live Messenger, and show joinable session status
* Messenger contacts can see what game you're playing, and your gamertag
* Marketplace will now have its own blade, which will be skinned independent of your theme
* Users will now get inline achievement updates (i.e. see what achievement you just unlocked and how much it's worth).
* Low-power download mode and auto-shutdown
* Progressive download: watch, fast-forward, and rewind partially downloaded movies
* You can text chat messenger six friends playing games watching movies
* Multiple tweaks on the user interface

wow cool, thanks for letting me know, I had no fucking clue :P

[deadite76]

I forgot that this is coming out this week. Thanks for the reminder OP!

[GizmoGC]

I figured alot of house had forgotten...looks like XBL will be slammed tomorrow.

[Apossum]

As always, I'll wait to see what the brick rate is before downloading this...

[guyver2077]

cant wait.....

[seanr1221]

I'm just excited for the lower power downloading + auto off after downloads are finished.

[Stingermck]

Isn't there a HD-DVD update also, or was that just speculation?

[CAG 79]

Hopefully we'll get the Forza 2 demo this week as well. Also be prepared for a lot of those "OMG, the dashboard update broke my 360!" threads.

[vpr]

Although I know it's not going to happen, I'd like them (Microsoft) to unlock 1680x1050 resolution when using the VGA cable. It should be physically able to, as they already have a 16:10 option, and higher resolution options.

Anyways, here's hoping!

[panasonic]

best thing was downloads while playing. I don't see anything to be excited for in this.

[PyroGamer]

You forgot the best feature:

No more multi-region downloads.

[thrustbucket]

Who cares about this update. Give us the damn HD DVD update already. It should hopefully be here later this week.

[RedvsBlue]

You forgot the best feature:

No more multi-region downloads.

You've really become the absolute most annoying troll on these boards within the last few months.

If you have a problem with region specific stuff, take it up with the providers, not microsoft, microsoft is covering their asses against lawsuits not trying to rain on our parade and be "big meany heads."

[anomynous]

I only care about low power downloads & auto turn off

[shinryuu]

I only care about low power downloads & auto turn off
Same. Amen.

I don't use MSN nor would I have the time to type a message unless I have that keyboard add-on, which I'm not willing to pay for because if I really needed to talk to someone over MSN I could just take 4 steps to the left to the computer. It's cool, just not for me.

[RelentlessRolento]

I still say it needs more other than MSN crap... I'll use the MSN, but I want more.

[lilboo]

Now here are my questions since I really never paid much attention to this update LOL
So basically our gamertags are our MSN names too? So I can chat with someone who's on live with that keyboard attachment thing (which should be out soon I guess)?
I def want that keyboard, especially when playing and you get a message. It'd be so much easier & faster to respond to.

I don't really understand this "low power download"?? Someone explain that to me. Now I understand "low power downloads" will use "less power" LOL but I never knew it was using a lot of power? :confused:

[RelentlessRolento]

Now here are my questions since I really never paid much attention to this update LOL
So basically our gamertags are our MSN names too? So I can chat with someone who's on live with that keyboard attachment thing (which should be out soon I guess)?
I def want that keyboard, especially when playing and you get a message. It'd be so much easier & faster to respond to.

I don't really understand this "low power download"?? Someone explain that to me. Now I understand "low power downloads" will use "less power" LOL but I never knew it was using a lot of power? :confused:


it downloads while you're away and will shut down once it's done downloading. Basically, you don't have to be around to download crap and leave everything on all day.

[Graystone]

XBL blade seems pretty cool.

[RedvsBlue]

XBL blade seems pretty cool.
The thing that really bugs me about it is that Microsoft themselves skins it so you just know its going to be some damn advertisement all the time.

[slickkill77]

Yea it will allow the 360 to basically idle while downloading instead of running at full power. Guys remember not every update is something to be excited about

[DeathDealer]

Im excited.

[Rig]

I only care about low power downloads & auto turn off

Seems to be the main feature I care about too.

[lilboo]

Ahhh that's really cool then! Nothing too exciting, but interesting nonetheless!

[Surferflames]

From the talks major nelson and people were having on his podcast, they also did lots of small bugfixes that potentially speed up the blades/dashboard. Hopefully that's true as the damn things freezes a good amount of the time when I trie to mute people in the middle of things.

[Warlock TCK]

Man, the only thing I like about this update is the name of the game at the bottom thing. The rest is kinda meh.

It's great to see these updates though.

[Sarang01]

You've really become the absolute most annoying troll on these boards within the last few months.

If you have a problem with region specific stuff, take it up with the providers, not microsoft, microsoft is covering their asses against lawsuits not trying to rain on our parade and be "big meany heads."

How can I fake it to keep my JPN account? I have a Japanese 360 so I REALLY wish this read your system rather then IP.

[GizmoGC]

This will also tell you what achievement you have earned rather then pausing and finding out...

[Warlock TCK]

This will also tell you what achievement you have earned rather then pausing and finding out...

Wow, I forgot about that one! Big thumbs up on that one.

[TC]

Wish they would let me delete old played games from my profile. Especially since the majority were demos that I will never play again.

[terribledeli]

The thing that really bugs me about it is that Microsoft themselves skins it so you just know its going to be some damn advertisement all the time.

I'm hoping against logic they do something seasonal. But you're right. Any takers our first Marketplace blade "theme" will be "Kickin' it Old Skool"?

[rodeojones903]

No HD-DVD update means I don't give a shit. We need that update NOW.

[JC Monkeyballs]

how about Divx/Xvid support, Microsoft?

[thrustbucket]

how about Divx/Xvid support, Microsoft?


Will never happen. They've said so more than once.

[RAMSTORIA]

I'm just excited for the lower power downloading + auto off after downloads are finished.

thats the only thing im interested in

[Mechafenris]

You've really become the absolute most annoying troll on these boards within the last few months.

If you have a problem with region specific stuff, take it up with the providers, not microsoft, microsoft is covering their asses against lawsuits not trying to rain on our parade and be "big meany heads."

I'm sure with the clout and marketshare behind them, Microsoft could persuade some folks into making the regions work in larger marketshares. I am tired of region-coding doing nothing more than forcing the balkanization of worldwide markets... Microsoft abdicates the control of region coding to the game publishers... thereby giving control of how a game is distributed to the publisher... which might help a bit, unless game companies are hell-bent on region coding as the MPAA is. (at least sony say "no region coding for games" and Nintendo _almost_ said that... before retracting it and forcing old-school region coding back onto a console that doesn't even play movies...)

The new HD video formats are taking a different tack on the region coding... which might be a good thing... (at least for now... I'm sure they'll find a way to screw us in the end...)

Honestly, though... other than enforcing existing region-codes on DVDs, what does it profit Microsoft to sniff out people who have accounts in different regions? (I guess the movie content...... that's simple though... check the DVD region and not let them get any movies from a region they're not in, if MS is afraid of the MPAA...)

...and just for the record... the providers don't care... as long as we keep buying their shiny-new things... :)

[starmask2k3]

year and a half and no internet that sucks

[Kaijufan]

I hope that the 360 will now play full screen DVDs in full screen instead of stretched to 16x9.

[benjamouth]

I hope my 360 doesn't get bricked tomorrow :cry:

[slickkill77]

I am confident in my 360...I have gone through every update and survived with my launch console

[thrustbucket]

year and a half and no internet that sucks

What do you think live is?

[Quintessence]

As always, I'll wait to see what the brick rate is before downloading this...

Good idea. 8-)

[aniousjoe]

What do you think live is?

lol... you know what he means. tho' i'm stuck on firefox, so anything else would probably be crappy by comparison

[guyver2077]

nothing yet...

[terribledeli]

nothing yet...


Well, Microsoft did say the week of May 7th. I'm taking bets on Tuesday so prepare for Games for Windows Live.

[GizmoGC]

I heard May 7th...some May 8th...some the week of. It WILL hit sometime this week...hopefully today.

[captmurphy]

All I want is 1680x1050 support via VGA...

[Mr. Anderson]

I'm super psyched about the acheivement update, as well as the low power + auto shut-off update. Here's to hoping my console isn't bricked!

[Sarang01]

I heard May 7th...some May 8th...some the week of. It WILL hit sometime this week...hopefully today.

I hope not as I want to download all that "Blue Dragon" stuff as well as the "Senko no Rondo Rev X" avatars and a theme if there is one.

[Sporadic]

Delayed.

New date, June 6th.

- edit I think they screwed up.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/786/786002p1.html

[shrike4242]

Thanks for the list of updates, Sporadic. Looks like it's quite the overhaul.

[Sarang01]

I must say I'm glad it's been delayed.

[gunm]

Jeezus, that's a lot of update.

[Darkside Hazuki]

I'm confused.

[lordwow]

Nothing I'm dying to get, but a welcome update. Rather have them take their time and get this stuff right.

[Rig]

Lots of stuff added, though not many of those really excite me, and most of that seems like we already have it.

Too bad I'll be at home without access to broadband Internet. I hate lugging the 360 to someone's house!

EDIT: I wondered why most of that sounded familiar! :lol:

[RelentlessRolento]

Sparodic, are you sure that's for this year? Almost all of those seem to be stuff that's already working in the current firmware...????

[Darkside Hazuki]

Sparodic, are you sure that's for this year? Almost all of those seem to be stuff that's already working in the current firmware...????

That's the article from IGN, but I think you're right RR. There's no mention of the Messenger support in the feature list!

[Sporadic]

Sparodic, are you sure that's for this year? Almost all of those seem to be stuff that's already working in the current firmware...????

Unless IGN screwed up, yeah.

The story was just put up today.

- edit Yeah, I think they fucked up. Sorry guys.

[CAG 79]

Sparodic, are you sure that's for this year? Almost all of those seem to be stuff that's already working in the current firmware...????

Yeah that is what I was thinking. All of those features are old.

[Damian]

IGN screwed up. That's the update from June 6, 2006 as seen here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0605-springrelease-features.htm

Here is the Spring 2007 list:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2007/0408-im.htm

Beginning the week of May 7, users of Windows Live Messenger on Xbox 360 can text chat using the virtual keyboard accessible on Xbox 360, or by connecting a USB keyboard to the console. This summer Microsoft will launch a QWERTY text-input device, a new accessory that will connect directly into the Xbox 360 controller to support text and instant messaging.

Other New Features
Beyond Windows Live Messenger, the Spring Update for Xbox 360 includes hundreds of new features and enhancements including:

* A richer Achievement notification pop-up will showcase the name of the unlocked Achievement and the gamerscore value without needing to leave the game to check the Achievements list.

* Enhanced family settings features for Xbox LIVE communications enable different defaults for video chat and voice chat.

* A new Xbox LIVE Marketplace blade lets Xbox LIVE members access the content they seek—whether it is game content or TV shows and movies (available in the United States)—from one place on Xbox LIVE.

* Updates to Xbox LIVE Arcade allow owners to quickly see which Xbox LIVE Arcade games their friends are playing and join in the fun. Xbox LIVE members can also compare progress of leaderboard scores and Achievements directly with all friends on their friends list. Expanded "Tell a Friend" capabilities make it easier than ever to boast about Achievements and high scores.

* Expanded "Tell a Friend" capabilities make it easier than ever to boast about Achievements and high scores.

* A new option in Auto Downloads provides faster access to the entire collection of free, trial-version Xbox LIVE Arcade games.

* New progressive download controls provide easy access to optimal viewing options by letting people fast-forward, rewind, pause and resume as their video is downloaded from Xbox LIVE Marketplace.

* Extension of the background download functionality will allow owners to set their Xbox 360 console to turn off automatically after downloads are complete.

The Spring Update is free beginning the week of May 7 and will be easily accessible to every Xbox 360 owner through Xbox LIVE or on Xbox.com.

You may not even notice all the new features, but they are all designed to enhance your Xbox LIVE experience. Some of the other features in this upgrade include:

* The name of game in tray is now displayed in the dashboard.

* When the user is in the dashboard and an Xbox 360 game is in the console then the name of the game is displayed in the tray icon of the dashboard. If the user highlights the tray icon then achievements and gamer score are displayed for that game based on the signed in user. Xbox1 games show the name and image of the game.

* Integrated support for the new Xbox 360 text input device. Note that this device includes a new wired headset.

* Playback progress bar indicates download completion.

* Switchable aspect ratio now available during video playback (Auto to Letterbox, Zoom, Stretch, Native).

* Player and friends lists now quickly show session presence information for quick identification of users that are joinable.

* Added H.264 video support: Up to 10 Mbps peak, Baseline, Main, and High profiles with 2 channel AAC LC.
* Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 5 Mbps peak, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC.

* Show folder hierarchy for video content played from all devices.

* Bookmarks are stored for each video that the user plays remembering the users last location in the file as well as the aspect ratio that the user choose for that file.

* Video trick modes (fast forward, rewind, chapter skip) can now be used while downloading Video Marketplace content.

* Skip forward and backward functionality has been improved to skip to the next or previous chapter. Each video is divided into 10 “chapters” allowing you to quickly skip around video content.

* The information bar that is turned on via the On Screen Display (OSD) now shows you exactly where you are in the playback of the video file. In addition it will also show for Video Marketplace content how much of the file has been downloaded and where the “chapters” exist in the file.

* Windows Media protected content (WM-DRM) can now be streamed from the PC to the console. If the WM-DRM license is missing or corrupted then a specific error message is displayed to the user. Bookmarking is also stored for protected content.

* When a user selects an item for download from Marketplace then the system will determine if there is sufficient disk space for the item and, if not, will ask the user to delete content on the HDD. The system provides a sorted by size list of videos, game trailers, demos and arcade content to aid the user in the deletion process. The same list of items are also available from within memory so that users can quickly see which items are consuming the most disk space.

* The console will block the user who attempts to download content onto a storage device that will never have the capacity to store the item without deducting any points associated with the content item.

* The screensaver is disabled when playing photos from any source

[ashram]

over at avsforum it's been mentioned that a profile for vga cable users will be added to fix the "washed" out colors issue is also included in the spring update.

[omgu8myrice]

heh..thats funny

[CrimsonPaw]

I was thinking that alot of that stuff is already available, like booting to dashboard, changing themes from the System tab, etc.

There's no mention of instantly showing achievments or, one I'm looking forward to, MPEG 4 Playback (hopefully I can watch my video podcasts from my 360!).

[Walt Jay]

Wish they would let me delete old played games from my profile. Especially since the majority were demos that I will never play again.

Agreed.

Also, any word on when the mini-keyboard attachment for the controller is coming out? I think they said sometime in the summer. I've yet to see an official price or date.

[Damian]

There's no mention of instantly showing achievments or, one I'm looking forward to, MPEG 4 Playback (hopefully I can watch my video podcasts from my 360!).
Those are in the correct listing in my post.

[captmurphy]

over at avsforum it's been mentioned that a profile for vga cable users will be added to fix the "washed" out colors issue is also included in the spring update.

I think I did a pretty good job tweaking my screen settings to minimize this, but if it was true it would be GREAT.

[110jsd]

Although I know it's not going to happen, I'd like them (Microsoft) to unlock 1680x1050 resolution when using the VGA cable. It should be physically able to, as they already have a 16:10 option, and higher resolution options.

Anyways, here's hoping!

This would be awesome. :applause:

[RelentlessRolento]

all weaksauce on butter

[rsigley]

just got disconnected from live and can't get back on

maybe they're putting the update on now?

[CrimsonPaw]

Those are in the correct listing in my post.
Yeah, I noticed after I posted that you had just added the correction. Glad to see MPEG-4 WOOT WOOT!!

[Sarang01]

just got disconnected from live and can't get back on

maybe they're putting the update on now?

I think it's going to come round about the time of when we usually see the XBLA games uploaded.

[gorgo]

Psyched about the new video formats, achievement notification, etc. The MSN integration is a mixed bag for me... it's cool, but I don't want people at work to see I'm home playing Gears when I'm out "sick" : ) Hopefully I can choose to hide it from MSN users, but still be available to XBL friends list.

[CrimsonPaw]

... it's cool, but I don't want people at work to see I'm home playing Gears when I'm out "sick" : )
Yeah, I'm trying to convince my team lead to get onto XBL, but my fear is that if I'm out some day he'll notice my last played time and wonder what's up.

[Darkside Hazuki]

over at avsforum it's been mentioned that a profile for vga cable users will be added to fix the "washed" out colors issue is also included in the spring update.

This would make my week. Where did you see this and who posted it?

[deadite76]

I think it's going to come round about the time of when we usually see the XBLA games uploaded.

You might be right:

Latest update is that the update should go live sometime in the early morning tomorrow GMT. So don’t expect it today, but hopefully when you turn on your Xbox for the first time tomorrow it’ll be there waiting for you with a smile on its face and arms wide open for a hug. Oh, and Messenger Integration too.

http://www.xboxic.com/news/2865#more-2865

[APE992]

A hug, or 3 red lights.

[galvatron2k1]

Per Major Nelson:

Ok, we’re getting closer. I just learned that the May ‘07 dashboard release is set to be released just a few hours from now. To be more specific, the LIVE Operations team expects to start rolling out the update after 0200 PT (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=9&year=2007&hour=2&min=0&sec=0&p1=234) tomorrow morning. I’ll make another post when the team start the roll out.

The PR team has issued an alert (http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/05/08/Media_Blast_Spring_Dash_Update_Details.aspx), so it must be official…right?

Looks like early AM as stated before.

[lilboo]

* The name of game in tray is now displayed in the dashboard.

* When the user is in the dashboard and an Xbox 360 game is in the console then the name of the game is displayed in the tray icon of the dashboard. If the user highlights the tray icon then achievements and gamer score are displayed for that game based on the signed in user. Xbox1 games show the name and image of the game.

* The screensaver is disabled when playing photos from any source

That's REALLY nice because sometimes I forget what I have in there.. LOL

Ya know something, I never really thought of that black tinted screen as a "Screen Saver" (but I guess it is)..I'm surprised they don't offer downloadable screen savers on the market place..LOL

[Sarang01]

You might be right:



http://www.xboxic.com/news/2865#more-2865

I need to d/l all the BD stuff already. Too bad I don't have any Japanese points or I'd be grabbing it all. Now to be a smartass but I wonder how it's going to work now with Asian editions and downloading Japanese content for those who live in China, Singapore and other places.

[LinkinPrime]

Looks like it will show up in a couple hours:

Ok, we’re getting closer. I just learned that the May ‘07 dashboard release is set to be released just a few hours from now. To be more specific, the LIVE Operations team expects to start rolling out the update after 0200 PT (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=9&year=2007&hour=2&min=0&sec=0&p1=234) tomorrow morning. I’ll make another post when the team start the roll out.

The PR team has issued an alert (http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/05/08/Media_Blast_Spring_Dash_Update_Details.aspx), so it must be official…right?

[Scorch]

Looks like it will show up in a couple hours:

That was posted six hours ago a few post above yours.

[LinkinPrime]

That was posted six hours ago a few post above yours.

True...except that my quote states after 0200PT ;)

Its late...I'm hitting the hay.

[DeathDealer]

its up. just updated. Everything is working fine and it looks good. Time to check it out more.

[dastly75]

I just got kicked off live in mid gears game. Updated everything works fine.

[Rig]

Getting it now. Time to take a look around...

EDIT: Tried Messenger; it works fine. Won't be using it without a keyboard though.

Odd to see all my Messenger contacts in my friends tab!

System > Shutdown > Background Downloads is where you go to enable/disable the feature, just because I'm sure many will wonder where to find it.

[DeathDealer]

ive noticed quite a few small things that are cooler than the bigger things.
like showing the game thats in the disc tray before you start it, and that it shows your recent achievments and score for that game when you go to the tray icon at the bottom. it will make more sense when you check it out.

and you have to enable the low power downloads in your settings its by the auto off setting, but it works well too.

[shaunLEGEND]

Low power downloads is REAL NICE. The on button flashes periodically in a non-irritating way. The fans on my system are still going full blast though.

Also I'm connected via vga and do notice a difference. Do you guys that are connected via component or hdmi have a setting for "reference"? I'm sure this has to do with the vga cable. I set mine to expanded. I'll wait for the AVS forums guys to decipher the best settings.

I also like the new marketplace blade. Now that I see it, it makes sense. All in all, I'm pretty happy with this update.

[gunm]

Just did the update--wasn't as long as I thought it would take. I like how the marketplace blade comes before the default blade. Oh wait, it is the default blade now. So far so good...

[hollowfreak]

I just updated and now it won't let me sign into Xbox Live, gave me an error message about recovering my gamertag, I tried that won't connect at the end. So now I can't even log-in to play a save game ...

[io]

Just updated my 1 week-old Elite, worked fast and with no problems...

Then I played a quick game and had my first freeze-up since day 1 (when I had one on the first game I tried). Played fine after that, but freeze-ups are always troublesome ;).

[nativetongue88]

too bad my 360's at the texas shop getting fixed....guess ill have to wait to see the changes.

[lmz00]

I made a child account so I wouldn't have to see the ads, so I can't use Messenger. Oh well.

[Flyersfan]

I'm always holding my breath when I do these updates so it won't brick my system. It's like torture for the 2 minutes or so that it takes. I didn't do it yet since I just woke up but I will soon.

[CheapyD]

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being completely underwhelming, and a 10 being very exciting, I'd rate this update a 3.

[magiic]

Why can't a child account use messenger? Is there a parental setting you can change to allow it? I have a child account but the "parent" account is just my other e-mail address.

[Scorch]

I did the update and when it restarted, it hung at the XBox 360 logo... I thought it was gonna brick. It didn't. Phew. Quick restart and I was good to go.

[Flyersfan]

I've heard the blades and guide button work much smoother and faster now.


Is that true?

[Scorch]

I've heard the blades and guide button work much smoother and faster now.


Is that true?

The main menu seems the same to me, but the Marketplace is definately faster, and when you load any "all games" list and you're scrolling down through them and it has to load more, that part now takes about half a second. The blade loads a hair faster.

I don't like how the Marketplace blade is on the far left and I want to change that. I like the XBox Live main menu screen being on the far left. I don't understand why the Marketplace blade isn't to the right of the live menu blade.. argh

[CocheseUGA]

The main menu seems the same to me, but the Marketplace is definately faster, and when you load any "all games" list and you're scrolling down through them and it has to load more, that part now takes about half a second. The blade loads a hair faster.

I don't like how the Marketplace blade is on the far left and I want to change that. I like the XBox Live main menu screen being on the far left. I don't understand why the Marketplace blade isn't to the right of the live menu blade.. argh


Their in yuor 360z, stealin yuor pointz.

[Darkside Hazuki]

Anyone know how to change the Windows Live ID associated with your GamerTag?

EDIT: No, there isn't. Yet.

From Major Nelson:

Q: The email address assigned to my Xbox LIVE account is different to the email address I use on my PC for Windows LIVE messenger. Is there a way for me to still access my messenger account?
A: Not at this time. We are working on the ability to allow users to change the email address they originally used when signing up for Xbox Live. The feature will be available in an upcoming release.

[Morpheus]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7216 <---Link to pics of the difference between VGA reference levels.

VGA looks amazing now.

[captmurphy]

The new color reference settings for VGA are BEAUTIFUL

[lilboo]

Hmm I have a question about the messanger. Now I don't use Windows Live Messanger on my PC, but on my 360 today I signed up for it. There's no one on my Windows Live Contact list...if I have some of my 360 friends online who are signed into MSN using their 360..will THEY show up on my Windows Live Messanger contacts..OR is it just the people who are on your Contact list when you use Live Messanger, and in my case, I don't LOL :(

[Scorch]

Hmm I have a question about the messanger. Now I don't use Windows Live Messanger on my PC, but on my 360 today I signed up for it. There's no one on my Windows Live Contact list...if I have some of my 360 friends online who are signed into MSN using their 360..will THEY show up on my Windows Live Messanger contacts..OR is it just the people who are on your Contact list when you use Live Messanger, and in my case, I don't LOL :(

it's just a port of MSN Messenger, whatever contacts you have on MSN messenger will be ported over. Or something. I don't know.

Where are the VGA settings?

[captmurphy]

VGA settings are right under where you would normally change the resolution, so

System--> Console Settings--> Display--> Reference Levels

[buttasuperb]

So do these new VGA setting fix games that aren't maxizimed for VGA?

For example, Burnout Revenge and GH2 don't fill the entire screen when using VGA, but they do using component. Hopefully they do now so I can stop using component for games and VGA for movies.

[captmurphy]

The new VGA settings (to the extent of my knowledge) are for color reproduction only, so I'm guessing that will still be an issue. I am using a computer monitor, so I am hoping that they add support for 1680x1050 in the next update.

[Mr. Anderson]

Woohoo, love the update! The disc tray notification is SWEET, and I love the Marketplace blade. I can't wait to get an acheivement to see what it looks like.

[lordwow]

Dled on my lunch break. The blades definately move a lot faster now. I too think that marketplace shouldn't be all the way to the left.

All and all, pretty neat, but nothing I was dying for.

[captmurphy]

Videos on the HD load instantly, which is nice.

[lilboo]

Woohoo, love the update! The disc tray notification is SWEET, and I love the Marketplace blade. I can't wait to get an acheivement to see what it looks like.

It's really neat! Love how it says exactly what it is and how much it is! Very nice :)

[life.exe]

I hate how there has been 2 updates and they still wont take 0 point Arcade demos off the games list.

[BULL_Ship]

This is bs the update just bricked my 360 (2 weeks old manufactured 2006 - 10 -25 ) This was the replacement to the system I bought at launch and died 2 weeks ago. O well got that best buy warranty.

[Chacrana]

Pretty uninteresting update. I mean, I guess it's kinda cool that I can see what game I have in, but... that's not much of a benefit for those of us who aren't forgetful or who can bear to open the disc tray. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

[Cleaner7]

Once you sign into Live Messenger on your 360, can you sign out? If so, then how?

Also, once you sign in the first time and save your password, does it automatically sign you in everytime you turn on your console?

Thanks! I downloaded the update this morning and haven't had a chance to mess with it, but was wondering these things. Just wanted to see how Messenger looked, but now I don't really want it signed in anymore.

[psychobrawler]

Most pointless update so far. Not a single new feature I'm truly excited about. All I really want at this point is a party/clan/matchmaking type system. MS needs to stop dicking around with BS crap like incorporating messager or arranging movies and remember that a few of us still like to play games and would like them to focus on improving that side of it. I've never minded this other crap when they were still making gaming improvements at the same time, but it seems like that's slipping pretty far down their list of priorities. So instead, all I get it a few anxious minutes of wondering whether this will be the time my system dies before I can play on line again...

[captmurphy]

Some of you guys seem to think that you are entitled to new and exciting updates. Microsoft doesn't HAVE to make any sort of update; we are getting an improved experience for nothing. I say we should be happy we are getting any sort of update at all and stop COMPLAINING when they give us something like this.

[jrutz]

Most pointless update so far. Not a single new feature I'm truly excited about. All I really want at this point is a party/clan/matchmaking type system. MS needs to stop dicking around with BS crap like incorporating messager or arranging movies and remember that a few of us still like to play games and would like them to focus on improving that side of it. I've never minded this other crap when they were still making gaming improvements at the same time, but it seems like that's slipping pretty far down their list of priorities. So instead, all I get it a few anxious minutes of wondering whether this will be the time my system dies before I can play on line again...

You have to be kidding - the video features alone are awesome. You can now play H.264 and MPEG-4 HD content, either from disc, hard drive or streamed from your PC. It supports 1080p H.264 and MP4 content, which makes your Xbox 360 a better media player than an Apple TV. Engadget posted their tests here (http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/09/xbox-360-spring-2007-dashboard-update-hands-on/). In addition, you can stream DRM video content from your PC. Which means now you can subscribe to services like Movielink or Cinema Now and watch on your TV, not just your PC.

I forgot about the VGA settings - I was thinking they wouldn't be worth much since I've calibrated my TV's black and brightness levels per Avia Home Theater, but the enhanced screenshots look really great (see link above).

I'm really excited about this update

[screwkick]

This is bs the update just bricked my 360 (2 weeks old manufactured 2006 - 10 -25 ) This was the replacement to the system I bought at launch and died 2 weeks ago. O well got that best buy warranty.

An MS update bricking a 360 console...no way!.

[AshesofWake]

aren't the modded consoles the only one's getting bricked

[Sockey]

The update is pretty cool. I just wish that my friends used the superior MSN messenger rather than AIM.

[FaintDeftone]

I like the update. Nothing special, but nice nonetheless.

[Sporadic]

Jesus, MS is a bunch of assholes.

I love how their way of disabling my Japanese XBL account is to corrupt every gamer profile on my system. :roll:

[magiic]

it's lame anyone with a child account cant use the msn feature. That is total BS

[Callandor]

Oooh, I like how videos on your computer are now sorted by folder. I'll have to try out streaming HD content sometime in the future...

And I'll have to see if the VGA reference settings really do much of anything for me.

[Apossum]

hmmm...I don't have much in the way of videos to watch on there, so this one doesn't really affect me (it's still faster for me to burn DVDs since my vids are mostly Xvid/AVI.)


the update is pretty weak. Given how long there is in between each one, there ought to have been a lot more fixes by now.
For one thing, it still seems to choke on the guide button if you press it at certain times (like when your friends list is loading or during certain games.)
I'm sick of the dash freezing just because I press the guide button as soon as I sign in.


I wish they would go the PS3 route and do several small firmware updates, some with new content, others just fixing bugs.

[CocheseUGA]

Small advances are better than none, I suppose. The tray and achievements are the sellers for me here.

[Hockey37]

Just updated mine. Used the new feature by downloading a few demos then shutting down. Looks good to me.

[dastly75]

I didn't notice any real difference on gears with the expanded color vga settings. Hmm, I thought I noticed a difference right after the update though(before I changed the color settings).

[psychobrawler]

You have to be kidding - the video features alone are awesome. You can now play H.264 and MPEG-4 HD content, either from disc, hard drive or streamed from your PC. It supports 1080p H.264 and MP4 content, which makes your Xbox 360 a better media player than an Apple TV. Engadget posted their tests here (http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/09/xbox-360-spring-2007-dashboard-update-hands-on/). In addition, you can stream DRM video content from your PC. Which means now you can subscribe to services like Movielink or Cinema Now and watch on your TV, not just your PC.

I forgot about the VGA settings - I was thinking they wouldn't be worth much since I've calibrated my TV's black and brightness levels per Avia Home Theater, but the enhanced screenshots look really great (see link above).

I'm really excited about this update

That's great. How does it make the gaming experience better? I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but I'm not using my 360 that way. I stream audio for music - which does enhance my gaming experience when I can use my soundtrack. But the bottom line is everyone bought the 360 for gaming. I like the options there, I just feel like they're getting so focused on adding the extras and selling us more crap that they've made very few advancements for the benefit of gamers.

And no, I don't feel entitled, but the reality is they need to stay ahead of Sony and Nintendo - most importantly on the games side of things. I'd just like to see something that really gets me excited about new functionality in gaming. They haven't done that in a while.

[BREVITY]

I had a demo I couldnt DL and play before the update. After the update... same ol'shit. I want to play C&C on 360 before I buy it and the dam demo will not DL for no good reason. Bla

[GizmoGC]

aren't the modded consoles the only one's getting bricked

Nope, silly rumor. My modded 360 works just fine.

[lilboo]

So where's the keyboard attachment? I'm surprised they haven't announced anything with that yet! ;(

[AshesofWake]

Nope, silly rumor. My modded 360 works just fine.


well it's not that ALL modded consoles are bricking, it's said that the only one's being bricked are the modded consoles. You have any sources that refute otherwise?

[daroga]

I've gotta say, the best feature in the thing for me is that it shows the name in the tray spot. Even shows the name of BC Original Xbox titles!

Hooray for $5 Spider-man 2 showing up in my tray and not $60 Spider-man 3! ;)

[GizmoGC]

well it's not that ALL modded consoles are bricking, it's said that the only one's being bricked are the modded consoles. You have any sources that refute otherwise?

This is bs the update just bricked my 360 (2 weeks old manufactured 2006 - 10 -25 ) This was the replacement to the system I bought at launch and died 2 weeks ago. O well got that best buy warranty.

See post #115 in this very thread.
Check GameFaqs for more reports :roll:

Don't just make assumptions because you read somewhere its only modded systems, its not. Do you even have a modded system? Do you know what a modded 360 system really means? The only way MS could detect it is if they decided to check if the games were burned or retail...something that can't do as far as we all know. If they can, there is always updates to correct this and I doubt MS would go around bricking consoles for playing backups of games they are legally allowed to own.

Now, its possible all these people have modded consoles and are just not saying anything...but I doubt it. My Hitachi drive update just fine and I just played a bit of Lost Planet.

[Kaijufan]

Is there any way to upgrade a child XBL account to a full account? My brother's account is a child account created using my account and he wants to use the IM that came with the update.

[SynGamer]

Updated and no porblems...but my disc drive crapped out on me a few days ago so gotta send it in for repairs. 3 weeks of use, pathetic. Mine was manufactured 10-xx-2006, what are the odds of getting a BenQ drive or whatever its called?

[omgu8myrice]

I hate how there has been 2 updates and they still wont take 0 point Arcade demos off the games list.

why is this an issue with everyone?..i dont see a big deal in it, it just makes my games list look fuller :)

[porieux]

Is there really anyone who wants to IM on their Xbox?

This just seems like a tacked on, worthless feature to me.

[AshesofWake]

See post #115 in this very thread.




i dont see how that post has to do with it not being a modded console, it does not specify either way.


I've read lots of threads on Xbox-Scene stating that modded consoles are the one's being bricked, and from personal friends i know one person that has had his 360 brick after an update and his was modded. So from those resources, I have concluded that it seems to be mostly modded 360's.

[BULL_Ship]

well it's not that ALL modded consoles are bricking, it's said that the only one's being bricked are the modded consoles. You have any sources that refute otherwise?


Ok you're suggesting I modded my console within the first 2 weeks of owning it and I did that despite having a warrenty I don't want to void???

[KwanzaaTimmy]

Is there really anyone who wants to IM on their Xbox?

This just seems like a tacked on, worthless feature to me.

It would be good if it wasn't so damn proprietary. I think it would have to be, since its MS-- But if it actually worked like Trillian or Adium or any other multipurpose IM client then I would use it quite a bit. The fact of the matter is however, that I don't use MSN at all-- the rest of the online world may, but most of us here in the US use AIM.

And to be honest, at least right now, all I need to do is flip the switch on my input box and I'm back to my PC.

[AshesofWake]

Ok you're suggesting I modded my console within the first 2 weeks of owning it and I did that despite having a warrenty I don't want to void???


hell if i know, people do crazy shit all the time. All im saying is that from the experiences i've read and witnessed it seems as if the modded consoles are much more prone to bricking after an update. but then again, that's just an observation that I have made. whether fact or not is what i'm trying to find out.

[GizmoGC]

i dont see how that post has to do with it not being a modded console, it does not specify either way.


I've read lots of threads on Xbox-Scene stating that modded consoles are the one's being bricked, and from personal friends i know one person that has had his 360 brick after an update and his was modded. So from those resources, I have concluded that it seems to be mostly modded 360's.

It does not matter if they are modded or not modded. Ive gone through several updates already on my Launch Day Modded 360 and have not had a single issue. My friends have modded 360's and the Spring update was fine for them as it was for me.

So because your ONE friend bricked his console therefore its only modded consoles? I think you need to look around here and GameFaqs to prove you wrong. But you won't because you have concluded its now 'mostly modded' instead of 'only modded' :roll:

[GizmoGC]

hell if i know, people do crazy shit all the time. All im saying is that from the experiences i've read and witnessed it seems as if the modded consoles are much more prone to bricking after an update. but then again, that's just an observation that I have made. whether fact or not is what i'm trying to find out.

Well, I proved you wrong as did a member of this very forum with a 2 week old 360.

well it's not that ALL modded consoles are bricking, it's said that the only one's being bricked are the modded consoles.

Yes, its been refuted.

[Rei no Otaku]

Is there really anyone who wants to IM on their Xbox?

This just seems like a tacked on, worthless feature to me.
Believe it or not I've actually used the feature quite a bit today. Even though my computer is in the same room, I'm far too lazy to stop playing and talk to people. So this way I've actually been chatting with my friends while playing stuff.

[AshesofWake]

So because your ONE friend bricked his console therefore its only modded consoles? I think you need to look around here and GameFaqs to prove you wrong. But you won't because you have concluded its now 'mostly modded' instead of 'only modded' :roll:

i think you need to learn to read because i previously stated i did read stories of people with modded 360's bricking after updates. Not only just one story with my friend. And if you haven't noticed already Gamefaqs is probably the worst place to look for any info on the internets.

Again i'll reiterate. From what i've read and experienced via friend. I do no not believe I ever said that ONLY modded consoles are the one's being bricked, and if I did, I did not mean that. I meant that it seems as if modded consoles are the one's being bricked after updates. there seems to be more cases of people with modded consoles bricking thn people without modded consoles bricking. that is all.

[Scorch]

HA!

If you go to the demo section, choose a genre and highlight a game.. to the right, you'll see the game's logo as well as a "sell description".. except some games don't have one/have a funny one! Check it out!

Amped 3 - "Sell Text"
DOA4 - "Mighty magnificent stimulating graceful fighting!" (in the Fighting genre)
FEAR - "Just buy this game and have fun."
FC Instincts - "Sell description?"
Just Cause - "Buy this game!"
MLB 2K7 - "Kush games" (?)

[GizmoGC]

i think you need to learn to read because i previously stated i did read stories of people with modded 360's bricking after updates. Not only just one story with my friend. And if you haven't noticed already Gamefaqs is probably the worst place to look for any info on the internets.

Again i'll reiterate. From what i've read and experienced via friend. I do no not believe I ever said that ONLY modded consoles are the one's being bricked, and if I did, I did not mean that. I meant that it seems as if modded consoles are the one's being bricked after updates. there seems to be more cases of people with modded consoles bricking thn people without modded consoles bricking. that is all.

Gotcha. So you are basing this only of Xbox-Scene.com which is a known modding community. So you do not read any posts here or anywhere else regarding bricked consoles? Whatever, i'm done.

[Sinistar]

Anyone know if you can do video chat with MSN now that it's integrated on the 360?

[AshesofWake]

Gotcha. So you are basing this only of Xbox-Scene.com which is a known modding community. So you do not read any posts here or anywhere else regarding bricked consoles? Whatever, i'm done.


not entirely. the majority of it yes from that site. But i've heard other stories on other sites that seem to follow the same pattern.

[RelentlessRolento]

oh wow... the one thing most people have seemed to overlook is the new media format update you can download! you can stream friggin MP4, Mov, and Avi! hells yes!

[Scorch]

oh wow... the one thing most people have seemed to overlook is the new media format update you can download! you can stream friggin MP4, Mov, and Avi! hells yes!

Now if only WMC will work again.. it stopped working one day and hasn't since.

[AshesofWake]

oh wow... the one thing most people have seemed to overlook is the new media format update you can download! you can stream friggin MP4, Mov, and Avi! hells yes!

holy shit, really? woooooo

[thrustbucket]

oh wow... the one thing most people have seemed to overlook is the new media format update you can download! you can stream friggin MP4, Mov, and Avi! hells yes!

I don't believe avi is supported (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10505222&&#post10505222).

[BULL_Ship]

oh wow... the one thing most people have seemed to overlook is the new media format update you can download! you can stream friggin MP4, Mov, and Avi! hells yes!

mov??? How the heck did the get that license from apple?

[Stuttering Billy]

[quote=porieux;2908100]Is there really anyone who wants to IM on their Xbox?

I have been chatting with friends using IM on the 360 while I play arcade games and while yes you don't "need" IM on the 360 it has its moments. Anyways if your not being charged for it and you can turn off your IM friends list that what is the harm.
I have looked over all the updates but I do like that now you join your friends games with out having to look on there gamercard to see if there is room.

[RelentlessRolento]

I don't believe avi is supported (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10505222&&#post10505222).


that's weird... an AVI file I have plays now though... I'll have to check if it is actually AVI.

[thrustbucket]

mov??? How the heck did the get that license from apple?

Probably because the the codec that HD .mov files use is h.264 which is just a version of Mpeg 4, which is essentially open source. Apple doesn't own it, they just use it. It's also used in Divx/Xvid/Mp4's which are just wrappers of the same codec.

[thrustbucket]

that's weird... an AVI file I have plays now though... I'll have to check if it is actually AVI.

I believe it may be because AVI is just a wrapper, not a codec. So it may still be possible to play certain avi's through xbox, but not if they use the h.264 codec (divx/xvid)

[Flyersfan]

How does this background download work?


I want to download Forza 2 demo before I go to work, so do I download it, turn my 360 off, and it will still be downloading in low power mode? Or do I download it, leave my 360 sit for a while, and it will turn off when the demo is done downloading?


I'm confused, if you couldn't tell.

[SteveMcQ]

How does this background download work?


I want to download Forza 2 demo before I go to work, so do I download it, turn my 360 off, and it will still be downloading in low power mode? Or do I download it, leave my 360 sit for a while, and it will turn off when the demo is done downloading?


I'm confused, if you couldn't tell.Start the download and then shut off your system. Your power light will flash on and off every few seconds or so.

[Flyersfan]

Thanks Steve.



Off to download it.

[Cleaner7]

Start the download and then shut off your system. Your power light will flash on and off every few seconds or so.

Actually, that works after you enable the low power download option in your consoles settings. You have to do that first. I did this earlier before I left for work.

[Corvin]

why is this an issue with everyone?..i dont see a big deal in it, it just makes my games list look fuller :)

re:removing games from the played list.

I'd love this. Maj. Nelson talked about it a few weeks back. Is it not in this update?

There are a few reasons I can think of.
1. clutter - tons of Arcade demo titles cluttering up your profile.
2. games you didn't like or just didn't get very far in.
3. it actually wipes the points you did earn from your profile. So you can completely reset a title and play through it again for points.

[TC]

re:removing games from the played list.

I'd love this. Maj. Nelson talked about it a few weeks back. Is it not in this update?

There are a few reasons I can think of.
1. clutter - tons of Arcade demo titles cluttering up your profile.
2. games you didn't like or just didn't get very far in.
3. it actually wipes the points you did earn from your profile. So you can completely reset a title and play through it again for points.

Yeah I want this feature. Even if I lose gamerscore on titles I played for 30 minutes I don't care.

[SteveMcQ]

Actually, that works after you enable the low power download option in your consoles settings. You have to do that first. I did this earlier before I left for work.Ah yeah, I was assuming he turned the option on. System Blade>Shutdown>Enable or something like that.

[CrimsonPaw]

re:removing games from the played list.

I'd love this. Maj. Nelson talked about it a few weeks back. Is it not in this update?

There are a few reasons I can think of.
1. clutter - tons of Arcade demo titles cluttering up your profile.
2. games you didn't like or just didn't get very far in.
3. it actually wipes the points you did earn from your profile. So you can completely reset a title and play through it again for points.
Yeah, I could go for this too. I have a few games that I either rented or bought used that I didn't care for and took them back so they show in my profile even though I don't have them anymore. I'd like to keep my profile up-to-date with those games that I do have in case someone is looking to hook up.

[jrutz]

That's great. How does it make the gaming experience better? I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but I'm not using my 360 that way. I stream audio for music - which does enhance my gaming experience when I can use my soundtrack. But the bottom line is everyone bought the 360 for gaming. I like the options there, I just feel like they're getting so focused on adding the extras and selling us more crap that they've made very few advancements for the benefit of gamers.

And no, I don't feel entitled, but the reality is they need to stay ahead of Sony and Nintendo - most importantly on the games side of things. I'd just like to see something that really gets me excited about new functionality in gaming. They haven't done that in a while.

So then what would a dashboard update do to make games better? The games are games, you buy them and play them, and the experience is generally the sam. These dashboard updates are just gravy on top of that.

[jrutz]

I believe it may be because AVI is just a wrapper, not a codec. So it may still be possible to play certain avi's through xbox, but not if they use the h.264 codec (divx/xvid)

Divx/XviD doesn't use H.264. And according to Microsoft, AVI isn't a supported file extension for any video codec, H.264 or MPEG-4.

Here's the video FAQ:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/05/09/spring-07-video-playback-faq.aspx

And my excitement was a little premature - H.264/MP4 only support two-channel audio. That means, HD video with Pro Logic sound. :(

[SteveMcQ]

Any news from the AV community on what the reference levels do for VGA cable users? With the "Expanded" it seems black levels look less gray than it was before, but my eyes could be deceiving me.

[io]

Currently downloading the Forza demo with the system in auto shutdown mode - very nice...

[jer7583]

The new marketplace blade reveals some funny things about descriptions that Publishers have put in games. In the new section below the game's title and the game description, some incomplete or unfinished areas remain.

For Example:
Dead or Alive 4 is described as a "Incredible Fighting Game" with the description "mighty magnificent stimulating graceful fighting!"

FEAR's description says "Just buy this game and have fun."

Far Cry says "Sell Description?"

Lego Star Wars- "Buy LEGO Star Wars 2" Very to the point.

Ridge Racer 6 couldn't be buggered with any kind of description and both of its sections just have the number 1.

A lot of other ones just say "sell text"

I noticed it while checking for new crackdown downloads, just thought it was interesting.

[Azumangaman]

For Example:
Dead or Alive 4 is described as a "Incredible Fighting Game" with the description "mighty magnificent stimulating graceful fighting!"

Lego Star Wars- "Buy LEGO Star Wars 2" Very to the point.

Its true about DOA4, but LEGO Star Wars 2 made me laugh.

[Maklershed]

Has anyone noticed in Halo 2 that they get the message that they're missing maps required for certain playlist? I cant enter team snipers, swat, and rumble pit because of this although I've previously downloaded all maps .. including the new blastacular map pack.

[glockant]

re:removing games from the played list.

I'd love this. Maj. Nelson talked about it a few weeks back. Is it not in this update?

There are a few reasons I can think of.
1. clutter - tons of Arcade demo titles cluttering up your profile.
2. games you didn't like or just didn't get very far in.
3. it actually wipes the points you did earn from your profile. So you can completely reset a title and play through it again for points.

hard to see that happening with the rewards challenge we just had.

everybody would just erase the launch sports games and do them over for the next contest.

[TheRock88]

Has anyone noticed in Halo 2 that they get the message that they're missing maps required for certain playlist? I cant enter team snipers, swat, and rumble pit because of this although I've previously downloaded all maps .. including the new blastacular map pack.

I got the same message too. I just redownloaded the blastacular map pack and the other map pack (the one that takes up the most space and has 5 maps in it) and I got it to work again.

[Corvin]

hard to see that happening with the rewards challenge we just had.

everybody would just erase the launch sports games and do them over for the next contest.

Well they could exclude outdated sports titles pretty easy. Or exclude previous winners. There are ways around that.

[psychobrawler]

So then what would a dashboard update do to make games better? The games are games, you buy them and play them, and the experience is generally the sam. These dashboard updates are just gravy on top of that.

Matchmaking/party system a la Halo 2 that could be joined and run from the dash would be my #1 request.

Clan support

Multi-person voice chat

Bigger friends list

Those are quick things off the top of my head that I think of. There are a few little things in this update that I do appreciate. I like the name of the game that's in my tray, the indication of what friends I can join in on-line play, improved picture through VGA, and the new XBLA menu that lets you know what friends are playing arcade games are all improvements that I would say enhance the game experience. They're ver minor, but nice changes. I'd just really like to see something bigger.

OK, I admit - the only thing I REALLY want at this point is a party or clan system so I can play with my friends against other groups and be matched against a different group each game. Until they do that, I'll be a little bitter they're focusing so much resource power trying to get my to buy a Zune of use MS Messenger...

[thrustbucket]

Ok for some reason now, when I try to play wmv files that I had played fine before, they are ultra-stretched on my screen. And if I try to change their aspect ratio's, they crash and say the format is not supported.

Anyone else have this problem?

[CocheseUGA]

I don't like how the friends list is delayed now.

[glockant]

Well they could exclude outdated sports titles pretty easy. Or exclude previous winners. There are ways around that.

true.

but you think they'll actually do that (#3) for us?

..nahhhhh

[GizmoGC]

not entirely. the majority of it yes from that site. But i've heard other stories on other sites that seem to follow the same pattern.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137704
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137615

What? They must BOTH have modded consoles, right? :roll:

[AshesofWake]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137704
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137615

What? They must BOTH have modded consoles, right? :roll:


i thought you were done with this? but ok. those are only 2 cases. I've seen more cases of brickage with modded consoles. I don't see the point of your post.

[MillerTime2523]

Damnit, I can't use the IM feature because it says I have a child account. There is no way to enable the feature either. :-(

[MrNEWZ]

It could be worse, you could by new games and be not allowed to download auto-updates (since the games have since had updates). Yes... buy online games and be locked out.

The not complete auto-sign in and lagging Friends List is not as fun either.

[MSUHitman]

My system doesn't show what game is in the disk tray like it's supposed to after the update. Anyone else have this issue?

[magiic]

Damnit, I can't use the IM feature because it says I have a child account. There is no way to enable the feature either. :-(

I know I hope they fix that. It's pretty stupid.

[anomynous]

They fixed the VGA cable, and now it's amazing looking, instead of all washed out

[RelentlessRolento]

hmm didn't notice it till yesterday, but whatever game you have in, it not only has the name, but where the front page ads are it shows your gamerscore with that game as well as achvmnts.

[MSUHitman]

NM about game now showing. IGN boards confirm it's an issue with 2K sports titles only. Definately doesn't work with NBA 2K7, intermittently works with other 07 2K sports titles.

[Punk_Raven]

This is lame too, i can't use the feature because it says I have a child account. I'm 14, which kinda makes since, but I can use windows live messenger on the computer and have been doing it for years.

I can't view ads for that same reason, but that's a different story.

[GizmoGC]

i thought you were done with this? but ok. those are only 2 cases. I've seen more cases of brickage with modded consoles. I don't see the point of your post.

There are many more cases with regular system than modded ones. Just felt like proving your 'only modded consoles brick' theory wrong.

[AshesofWake]

There are many more cases with regular system than modded ones. Just felt like proving your 'only modded consoles brick' theory wrong.



ugh, i never said only modded consoles, i said MOSTLY modded consoles from what i've read and seen. And as i pointed out earlier, but obviously you are unable to read or something, if i did say only i meant mostly.

[GizmoGC]

ugh, i never said only modded consoles, i said MOSTLY modded consoles from what i've read and seen. And as i pointed out earlier, but obviously you are unable to read or something, if i did say only i meant mostly.

Yeah, sure. Just like to point out you were incorrect stating only modded consoles are bricking. That's it, I'm done for now.

[AshesofWake]

Yeah, sure. Just like to point out you were incorrect stating only modded consoles are bricking. That's it, I'm done for now.


thats not what i said in the first place :rofl: so you just proved something correct that no one even said :rofl:

[coolsteel]

Unfortunately I think this update did my 360 in, worked just fine before now when I use component cables it either outright freezes , plays for ten minutes then freezes or plays perfectly with no sound at all.

[halfbent]

Not sure I saw this anywhere, but the friends tab now has a little arrow next the the green "online guy" icon in the friends tab if that friend is in a joinable game. Another little neat feature.

[AshesofWake]

^^^ love that feature, dont have to click individual gamertags to join gears games anymore, wootsicles.

[CaseyRyback]

looks like today was the day they decided to start banning people.

[CocheseUGA]

looks like today was the day they decided to start banning people.

Over the other region systems?

[CaseyRyback]

Over the other region systems?

No I was talking about modded consoles. My friend is out buying a new Xbox and gears of war right now because his system got banned.

[lordwow]

No I was talking about modded consoles. My friend is out buying a new Xbox and gears of war right now because his system got banned.

Gotta know that's the risk when you start doing stuff like that.

[Sporadic]

No I was talking about modded consoles. My friend is out buying a new Xbox and gears of war right now because his system got banned.

Hopefully your friend won't be a total douchebag and return the banned console to Wal Mart.

There are already idiots at other forums saying they are going to throw them on Ebay.

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http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1518/ab27a7182842e8afe1f6dfaet5.jpg

One of the great things about LIVE and the unified community is that we work hard to create a level playing field for all gamers and have a no tolerance policy towards inappropriate behavior like hacking or cheating. As part of our commitment to our members, we do not allow people that we have detected to have modified their console to connect to LIVE. This is an important part of our efforts to try and maintain a fair gaming environment for the large majority of gamers that play by the rules. This topic is more important than ever given the recent release of the Halo 3 beta. As a result, some consumers that try to login to LIVE who we detect have illegally modified their console will get an error code (Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D) when trying to connect to the service. These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.

We have stated in the past that customers can only enjoy access to the Xbox LIVE community through the use of a genuine, unmodified, Xbox console and we will continue to enforce this rule to ensure the integrity of our service, the protection of our partners and the benefits of our users.

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/05/17/545414.aspx

[GizmoGC]

Hopefully your friend won't be a total douchebag and return the banned console to Wal Mart.

There are already idiots at other forums saying they are going to throw them on Ebay.

Sucks, but blame MS. They could have easily just banned burned copies but instead chose to do it this way. I can't wait to see the complaints that roll in.

[yukine]

That's pretty ridiculous, but I guess it helps cheating in online games?

[Rei no Otaku]

I have no sympathy. You mod your console, that's the risk you take.

[GizmoGC]

That's pretty ridiculous, but I guess it helps cheating in online games?

You cannot cheat in 360 games with a modded system at all.

[GizmoGC]

I have no sympathy. You mod your console, that's the risk you take.

Yeah, its cool. Just don't buy any used 360 consoles because guess what, you may never be able to get on Live with it. Thanks MS for that.

[Rei no Otaku]

Yeah, its cool. Just don't buy any used 360 consoles because guess what, you may never be able to get on Live with it. Thanks MS for that.
Ewww. Why would I buy a used console?

[GizmoGC]

Ewww. Why would I buy a used console?


I should have said anyone buying a used console...and people do. Check eBay. Check Craigslist. Check EB.

[CocheseUGA]

I can't wait to see the complaints that roll in.

:lol:

You're a funny guy.

[CaseyRyback]

You cannot cheat in 360 games with a modded system at all.

Well you can cheat somewhat. The guy at the top of the execution leaderboard in gears modded his game so that all his kills were worth a shitload of points. Supposedly it isn't that hard to do either.

[benjamouth]

I should have said anyone buying a used console...and people do. Check eBay. Check Craigslist. Check EB.

I see your point but I think if you buy a used 360 you're playing with fire anyway. More likely you'll see the red lights of death before you get banned on Live.

I have no problem with MS banning modded consoles on Live, but they better be damn sure they don't end up banning unmodded 360's.

Maybe MS can concentrate on protecting peoples personal data now they've beaten the modders :roll: .

[Apossum]

Well you can cheat somewhat. The guy at the top of the execution leaderboard in gears modded his game so that all his kills were worth a shitload of points. Supposedly it isn't that hard to do either.



wow, I wonder if he used XNA to do that...well, good riddance to modders then.



and no gizmogc, it's not microsoft's fault. from one guy who mods systems to another (thankfully I didn't get my 360 done yet)-- if you get caught, it's your fault. if you walked in to a store, stole something, and got caught, you wouldn't get angry with the manager for wanting to bust shoplifters. it's the same principle.

It's also up to a seller to tell you if a used console is banned from live. if they don't, it's because they're an ass and deserve a chargeback if they rip you off. and stores shouldn't take them if the warranty seal is busted.

[Sporadic]

Sucks, but blame MS. They could have easily just banned burned copies but instead chose to do it this way. I can't wait to see the complaints that roll in.

Uh, no.

I'll blame the people who rolled the dice, lost and then decided that others are at fault/should get the punishment for their actions.

If someone overclocks their PC and it burst into flames, Newegg/Intel are not responsible. They knew overclocking could hurt their system and they did it anyways. You knew modding could get you thrown off XBL and you did it anyways.

[daroga]

Wow, I can't believe anyone has the balls to blame Microsoft over this. How's about you buy your games like a good, honest person and not steal them? Or at the very least, don't complain when MS screws you by protecting their interests.

[PyroGamer]

Yeah, its cool. Just don't buy any used 360 consoles because guess what, you may never be able to get on Live with it. Thanks MS for that.
So then you fucking return it and complain about the fucktard shit-ass store that had the gaul to sell it to you.

Microsoft should be applauded for being harsh on this. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[lordwow]

Wow, I can't believe anyone has the balls to blame Microsoft over this. How's about you buy your games like a good, honest person and not steal them? Or at the very least, don't complain when MS screws you by protecting their interests.

QFT.

[thrustbucket]

Wow, I can't believe anyone has the balls to blame Microsoft over this. How's about you buy your games like a good, honest person and not steal them? Or at the very least, don't complain when MS screws you by protecting their interests.

You have to understand that there are a lot of people out there (especially on this forum) that only bought a 360 to begin with because of the modding scene. Sad but true.

[ZForce915]

Has anyone had trouble with "slowdown" since the update? Sometimes when I switch blades or select something it takes 5 seconds or longer to react.

[Scobie]

Anybody using an Apple Airport Extreme router with their 360?

Since the update I can't d/l any XBLA/M content -- no games, no movies, or TV shows. I get a status code of 800070003. The goons at 1-800-4-MY-XBOX tell me it's because the spring update invalidated my router, which is total bullshit. The website is equally useless except for letting me know that my Airport Extreme is not on the list of incompatible routers.

Any ideas?

[ZForce915]

Anybody using an Apple Airport Extreme router with their 360?

Since the update I can't d/l any XBLA/M content -- no games, no movies, or TV shows. I get a status code of 800070003. The goons at 1-800-4-MY-XBOX tell me it's because the spring update invalidated my router, which is total bullshit. The website is equally useless except for letting me know that my Airport Extreme is not on the list of incompatible routers.

Any ideas?

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/connectionmethods/troubleshootliveconnection-testnat.htm

Try looking this over, it may help.

[daroga]

You have to understand that there are a lot of people out there (especially on this forum) that only bought a 360 to begin with because of the modding scene. Sad but true.And I am very sad for them. Very sad.

This sad. :(

[Brak]

Is there a way to deactivate Windows Messenger on the 360?

[Rei no Otaku]

Is there a way to deactivate Windows Messenger on the 360?
There's a way to set it so it doesn't log into MSN. It's under profile settings somewhere. Same place where you set if you want your profile to automatically log in.

[Brak]

There's a way to set it so it doesn't log into MSN. It's under profile settings somewhere. Same place where you set if you want your profile to automatically log in.
Thanks.

[CocheseUGA]

You have to understand that there are a lot of people out there (especially on this forum) that only bought a 360 to begin with because of the modding scene. Sad but true.

Sucks for them. That's about how much I care.

[PyroGamer]

Sucks for them. That's about how much I care.
Actually I think it's cool.

I love the case mods people have done on the 360.

There's some awesome stuff you can do with the XBX, running emulators and media-server stuff. It makes an amazing media center now that Microsoft isn't worried about stopping hackers and everything has been exploited on it.


As for cheating online, and pirating games: do it and burn in hell. I'm all for modding consoles, some cool stuff can be had by it, and I'd do it if I had the dough and the time (I do tons of hacking with old handhelds and computers and stuff) but I don't want fucking cheaters on XBL, and I don't want pirates to make my industry go the way of the music biz.

[Punk_Raven]

If you go on live with a modded console, you are a fucking idiot. If you're going to do it you need to do it right. You can't get your cake and eat it too, microsoft makes sure of this. They know they don't have much control over what goes on offline, but alot over what goes on online.

Oh, and MS did what they had to do. Buy the games, support the industry. If you don't want to do that, than atleast don't be an idiot and try to go online with a modded box. 1st grade math.

[CaseyRyback]

If you go on live with a modded console, you are a fucking idiot. If you're going to do it you need to do it right. You can't get your cake and eat it too, microsoft makes sure of this. They know they don't have much control over what goes on offline, but alot over what goes on online.

Oh, and MS did what they had to do. Buy the games, support the industry. If you don't want to do that, than atleast don't be an idiot and try to go online with a modded box. 1st grade math.


Microsoft finally got around to nailing people one and a half years after the console came out, I don't think that can be called making sure of something. Personally I think banning consoles is a dumb idea and think that banning live accounts would be better. Hardware still costs them money and live accounts don't. Just keep updating every few months and nailing all the people with banned consoles. People not being able to keep up with their achievement points and friends list would probably be driven so far up the wall that they would end up getting a legit box after having had their live account banned several times.


And I don't really see many people who had their Xbox's modded selling them. Most will probably just run out and nab a core and hook the hard drive into that (thats what my friend did).

[Punk_Raven]

Hardware is costing who money?

Yeah, I don't see that. I don't see moders really caring too much about live accounts.

[daroga]

Hardware is costing who money?

Yeah, I don't see that. I don't see moders really caring too much about live accounts.Live is like the reason to have a 360. Why would they not care about it?

[io]

OK, just stark raving curious here, but how the hell can MS tell that the consoles are modded via the connection to Live? Are they running code on it (installed with the last update perhaps) that detects the chips or changes somehow? I guess that's the only thing that makes sense. I just find it interesting that no one mentions that. I'm sure MS considers it a state secret, but there really can't be that many ways it would work.

I would have neither the inclination, the temptation, nor the skills to do anything about it and have zero interest in a modded console in the first place, but these things fascinate me ;).

[Scobie]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/connectionmethods/troubleshootliveconnection-testnat.htm

Try looking this over, it may help.

Thanks for the link. I'm passing the network test with flying colors. I went through my router settings and they seem to be okay.

I'm going to try swapping out my cable modem which isn't specifically listed anywhere as being supported, and if that doesn't work, I guess I'll look into a new router.

Or maybe I'll just cut my losses and bail out of 360-land after I work through the handful of games that I have. I've had the console for five months and have already had to put up with an unacceptable amount of crap.

I just wanna play games and have laid down a big amount of cash to get in the door, and what do I get? One bricked console, being scared into spending an additional $60 for a warranty, a failed wifi adventure, overpriced XBL DLC, dodgy wireless play, and system updates that shut me down and make me jump through hoops even though I'm doing everything legal.

Who would want to make it this much of a pain to play games? Way to be, MS. Way to frickin' be. Last MS product I ever buy.

[thrustbucket]

Thanks for the link. I'm passing the network test with flying colors. I went through my router settings and they seem to be okay.

I'm going to try swapping out my cable modem which isn't specifically listed anywhere as being supported, and if that doesn't work, I guess I'll look into a new router.

Or maybe I'll just cut my losses and bail out of 360-land after I work through the handful of games that I have. I've had the console for five months and have already had to put up with an unacceptable amount of crap.

I just wanna play games and have laid down a big amount of cash to get in the door, and what do I get? One bricked console, being scared into spending an additional $60 for a warranty, a failed wifi adventure, overpriced XBL DLC, dodgy wireless play, and system updates that shut me down and make me jump through hoops even though I'm doing everything legal.

Who would want to make it this much of a pain to play games? Way to be, MS. Way to frickin' be. Last MS product I ever buy.

I, and many others, have not had any of the problems you list. If you can't understand that maybe you just have bad luck, since so many of us don't have these problems, then I hope you sell your 360 for a good price, because I know many that will buy it.

[Scobie]

I, and many others, have not had any of the problems you list. If you can't understand that maybe you just have bad luck, since so many of us don't have these problems, then I hope you sell your 360 for a good price, because I know many that will buy it.

Apologizing for corporations and their buffoonery is good times!! All the posters in the coffin support thread are boobs who probably broke their own systems. You know who else kicks ass? Bank of America. Those guys are sweet. And TJ Maxx is a good company, too. My account didn't get stolen; if yours did, maybe you just have bad luck. Exxon-Mobile is also doing fine work. $3.20 a gallon is still cheaper than milk!

Anyway, I spent about another hour on the phone with customer support and finally got through to a supervisor who was actually very helpful. He doubted that it's anything to do with my cable modem or router. He said the 800070003 status code is an "emergent problem" and that he's had 8 calls referred to him just this morning with the same problem, each one with different set ups, and that it's almost certainly due to something that flipped on the spring update. My case (and the others) have been passed on to the troubleshooters. Hopefully will have a fix in 3-5 days.

[Sporadic]

I'm still :lol: at the people who think people with modded 360's can cheat on Xbox Live. Its simply NOT true. All they can do is play burned games...THATS it.

Incorrect.

It was possible to modify the cfg file in Gears Of War.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4msgVvqvmU

[GizmoGC]

Incorrect.

It was possible to modify the cfg file in Gears Of War.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4msgVvqvmU

And a simple required update through GOW fixed it. Now what? Any other games? Anything? Nope.

[Sporadic]

And a simple required update through GOW fixed it. Now what? Any other games? Anything? Nope.

The point is that cheating is possible and I'm glad Microsoft just took the issue out at the knees.

[thrustbucket]

And look, you'e already found ways to get away with not even paying a dime for another 360 game.

Yeah, at the cost of another 360. Thats something to be proud of. I wonder how much money in CAG priced games he has lost just to have his two 360's. $400+ just to be able to pirate isn't really worth it.

[lilboo]

Personally I think they DO make more profit off of microtransactions (EVERYTHING, XBLA games, themes, pictures, TV shows, movies..) then they do off of a retail game.

[lanzarlaluna]

Yeah, at the cost of another 360. Thats something to be proud of. I wonder how much money in CAG priced games he has lost just to have his two 360's. $400+ just to be able to pirate isn't really worth it.
Buying a Core is only $300, which is the price of 5 news games. I'm sure he has more than payed for that by now.

[Punk_Raven]

Yeah, at the cost of another 360. Thats something to be proud of. I wonder how much money in CAG priced games he has lost just to have his two 360's. $400+ just to be able to pirate isn't really worth it.

Well, who's fault was that? If he bought games he wouldn't have had this happen to him. Just saying. It's not nice, but that's just how it is.

What sucks is that it hurts possible respectful consumers. The ones who buy em off of ebay or buy used 360s. It's terrible.

[CaseyRyback]

To change the subject I really hope that in the next dashboard update that when you avoid a player that you never see them again. I am tired of running into this one racist douchebag in gears who always talks shit because one of the people I play with is black. He always ends up quitting early because the black guy destroys him (he is number 11 in execution all time). Microsoft won't do anything about it either even though he says racist stuff, has a racist name, and a racist motto. I don't understand why they expect us to pay 50 dollars a year if we can't avoid the douchebags.

[GizmoGC]

To change the subject I really hope that in the next dashboard update that when you avoid a player that you never see them again. I am tired of running into this one racist douchebag in gears who always talks shit because one of the people I play with is black. He always ends up quitting early because the black guy destroys him (he is number 11 in execution all time). Microsoft won't do anything about it either even though he says racist stuff, has a racist name, and a racist motto. I don't understand why they expect us to pay 50 dollars a year if we can't avoid the douchebags.

Wait...I thought when you 'avoid' a player...you really do avoid them forever? If not...whats the point? Just less of a chance of playing with them?

[Surferflames]

Wait...I thought when you 'avoid' a player...you really do avoid them forever? If not...whats the point? Just less of a chance of playing with them?

In pure-matchmaking games where you do "quick find" and it sticks you in a game, it will not put you into someones room if they are avoided. I know this works in splinter cell DA but never tried it in others.

Lobby games are different, but it would be nice if say 50% had the person avoided it would boot them from a room.