View Full Version : I feel so sorry for Ali
Grave_Addiction
07-13-2004, 08:37 PM
Did anyone just watch Ali walking to the mound at the All-Star game? Man, this dude is really messed up now. He was shaking really bad and couldn't stand still at all.
He then tried to do a series of punches and it was just really, really sad. I know his people try to say it's a disease, but all those years in boxing had to cause some or most of what he's going through today.
I just wish he could have stopped sooner and be able to lead a healthy life.
OkeSmokey21
07-13-2004, 08:39 PM
not me. fuck him
jimbodan
07-13-2004, 08:41 PM
Did anyone just watch Ali walking to the mound at the All-Star game? Man, this dude is really messed up now. He was shaking really bad and couldn't stand still at all.
He then tried to do a series of punches and it was just really, really sad. I know his people try to say it's a disease, but all those years in boxing had to cause some or most of what he's going through today.
I just wish he could have stopped sooner and be able to lead a healthy life.
Yeah, well it is a disease, parkisan's, but it was likely caused by all that fighting. He made his own decisions, I wonder if he could, do you think he would change anything? At one time he was the best fighter in the world, I wonder if he would trade it all to be healthy.
guyver2077
07-13-2004, 08:42 PM
i smell a ban.
Grave_Addiction
07-13-2004, 08:43 PM
yeah not only is he black but he's all f'd up in the head. talk about unlucky
You sir, are truely a dickhead.
I don't believe one's lifestyle could conceivably effect one's chances of developing Parkinson's disease. And yes, Okesmokey, your words are just as repulsive as your avatar.
OkeSmokey21
07-13-2004, 08:48 PM
Hey thanks. That's probably the best thing I've been called. Truely it is.
OkeSmokey21
07-13-2004, 08:50 PM
I don't believe one's lifestyle could conceivably effect one's chances of developing Parkinson's disease. And yes, Okesmokey, your words are just as repulsive as your avatar.
One's lifestyle does effect. He got hit in the head hella times. Because of this,
he became more susceptible to the disease. As for my avatar, you're right...
One's lifestyle does effect. He got hit in the head hella times. Because of this,
he became more susceptible to the disease. As for my avatar, you're right...
From the Parkinson's Disease Foundation:
"Is boxing one of the causes of Parkinson's disease and are they linked in any way?"
"Boxing does not cause Parkinson's disease."
http://www.pdf.org/Ask/kb.cfm?selectedItem=4596&returnURL=kb.cfm%3Fcatego ry%3D22%26start%3D6
Now, it does go on to say that high incidence of head trauma can result in a neurodegenerative condition similar to Alzheimer's, but there is no connection to Parkinson's.
Cornfedwb
07-13-2004, 09:06 PM
Of course they don't know what causes Parkinsons.. and old boxers have an alarmingly high rate of Parkinsons. I have a feeling this is sorta like how cigarettes didn't cause cancer until 8 or so years ago.
It's really a shame though.. the man is a true hero.
jimbodan
07-13-2004, 09:07 PM
Of course they don't know what causes Parkinsons.. and old boxers have an alarmingly high rate of Parkinsons. I have a feeling this is sorta like how cigarettes didn't cause cancer until 8 or so years ago.
It's really a shame though.. the man is a true hero.
AGREE'D
deathcabforcutie
07-13-2004, 09:08 PM
it is really sad.. i know he made his own choices but its always sad to see anyone like that.. and what good does a bunch of honor and respect do you if you cant even understand it enough to appreciate it??
guyver2077
07-13-2004, 09:08 PM
wise move in editing what u wrote
jimbodan
07-13-2004, 09:11 PM
it is really sad.. i know he made his own choices but its always sad to see anyone like that.. and what good does a bunch of honor and respect do you if you cant even understand it enough to appreciate it??
I'm pretty sure I've read that he knows whats going on and understands people, but just can't really express himself or control is movements very well.
magilacudy
07-13-2004, 09:14 PM
Wow you're smart for editing what you wrote. [/sarcasm]
Not quick enough to avoid getting QUOTE'D though.
GuilewasNK
07-13-2004, 09:18 PM
Michael J. Fox is DEFINITELY not a fighter and neither is Janet Reno, yet they both have Parkinson's (albeit not as bad as Ali).
Of course they don't know what causes Parkinsons.. and old boxers have an alarmingly high rate of Parkinsons. I have a feeling this is sorta like how cigarettes didn't cause cancer until 8 or so years ago.
It probably comes down to splitting hairs. If some blind people suffer from blindness because they are born with a genetic deficiency effecting their eyes, while some other people are blind because their occupation exposed them to copious amounts of UV light...both could be termed blindness. But, of course, the former could conceivably be treated with medication, while the latter could prove indifferent to such.
Why mention this? Because that link mentions that "dementia pugilistica" (snort) can resemble Parkinson's but is unresponsive to drug treatment which has a discernable impact on Parkinson's patients. I think the analogy holds true. It may seem like splitting hairs to the general public, but you have to distinguish between different forms of a condition, even if the results are practically the same.
Moxio
07-13-2004, 10:06 PM
Bah, that sucks.
But he's still the Greatest. =)
SS4Brolly
07-13-2004, 10:29 PM
OkeSmokey21 - This is why you dont have any friends.
Moxio
07-13-2004, 10:30 PM
OkeSmokey21 - This is why you dont have any friends.
lmao
BigLebowski
07-13-2004, 10:35 PM
it is really sad.. i know he made his own choices but its always sad to see anyone like that.. and what good does a bunch of honor and respect do you if you cant even understand it enough to appreciate it??
I'm pretty sure I've read that he knows whats going on and understands people, but just can't really express himself or control is movements very well.
This is true. He is actually still as sharp as a tack. He has been quoted many times since the onset of his disease; the man is just as witty and thought-provoking as he has always been. You just have to listen a little bit more carefully to him now. His condition is made all the more sad when you look at the "condition" of the heavyweight division these days.
coolsteel
07-13-2004, 10:36 PM
I remember that interview he did a few years back, he was staying out of the public eye because he didn't want this to happen, didn't want people to feel sorry for him. Seeing clips of how he used to be and then seeing him now is a hard change .
anth0ny
07-13-2004, 11:40 PM
Did anyone catch Ali putting bunny-ears on A-Rod? Funny moment
ElwoodCuse
07-14-2004, 12:47 AM
Muhammad Ali was certainly one of the most famous quick wits of our day. But once on a flight, he met his match (saw this in a sports quote book):
Stewardess: Mr. Ali, please fasten your seatbelt.
Ali: Superman don't need no seatbelt.
Stewardess: Superman don't need no airplane either.
Jaket
07-14-2004, 12:54 AM
im not gonna shit all over ali like most are, everything he did was for a reason and he is now remembered as a legend, although he is past his prime he will still be, in many peoples minds, the best boxer of all time.
LV-426RS
07-14-2004, 08:08 AM
At first I thought this was gonna be about Ali G, booyaka.
jer7583
07-15-2004, 02:18 AM
Ali lives(or has a house or something) about 20 min away from my house back in michigan, and he is a nice guy, i've seen him around a few times, he came to a restaurant/mini golf my grandma owns, and his kids and wife used to come there a lot.
Things like that make you thankful for even being able to sit here and type messages on CAG..
ElfAngel7
07-15-2004, 02:27 PM
I'm not sure. Parkinson's in of it self is a disease, but boxer's just get their skulls bashed, leading to general brain damage.
ElfAngel7
07-15-2004, 02:29 PM
Muhammad Ali was certainly one of the most famous quick wits of our day. But once on a flight, he met his match (saw this in a sports quote book):
Stewardess: Mr. Ali, please fasten your seatbelt.
Ali: Superman don't need no seatbelt.
Stewardess: Superman don't need no airplane either.
LMAO. That's great
moiety
07-15-2004, 02:45 PM
No one knows what causes Parkinson's. It's a disease where the nerves in the brain are degenerating, so that you have a loss of control of a certain side or both sides of your body, depending on where the degenerating nerves are.
My uncle developed Parkinson's just before I was born, back in the early 80's. They attributed his case to Vietnam, because he was fighting over there when they sprayed the fields with those gasses. It effected not only the plant life, but all the soldiers and civilians in the area. It started out on one side, then over the years he was shaking on both sides. He was on medication that could get control over it, but it was always there.
They have a new procedure now, which my uncle was actually the 14th person to receive it in the country. It's basically a pacemaker for the brain, and in his case, one for each side. But the results are incredible. It takes a few months to get it fully calibrated, but he is doing better than he has in a long time.
I wonder if Ali or MJF have looked into that procedure, and if not, why? It's a difficult disease to live with, but the medical field is making a big leap in treatment.