Smoker or Non-Smoker

[daphatty]

Curious to know who smokes and who doesn't. I never got into it. I tried it once and wasn't impressed. Something about smelling like ass that didn't appeal to me.

Ante up!

(BigNick inspired this one.)

[Cornfedwb]

Well we've done this before...

But I smoke, and I'm proud of it. All you nit-picking overly nosy asswipes can get out of our business about it too.

They keep restricitng where I can and cannot smoke.... it's going to be the next Civil War.

[Squirms]

http://cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17277&highlight=smoke

You need to lock your own post Daphatty this has already been done

[snotknocker]

Maybe we need additional moderaters for the moderaters :D

[Slipknot9762]

NON smoker

[Javery]

All you nit-picking overly nosy asswipes can get out of our business about it too.

I could give a shit if people want to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes. If you like it, fine - smoke away. What pisses me off are the douche bags who flick their butts on the ground and smoke in crowded areas where the rest of us have to be subject to it. :evil:

[magilacudy]

I used to smoke occasionally a few years back, but I was able to quit. Video games were my habit and I didn't have room for another.

[Ericnmel99]

Come on phatty...so a search this was done not to long ago.

[Xevious]

All you nit-picking overly nosy asswipes can get out of our business about it too.

I could give a shit if people want to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes. If you like it, fine - smoke away. What pisses me off are the douche bags who flick their butts on the ground and smoke in crowded areas where the rest of us have to be subject to it. :evil:

The problems is smokers have higher medical bills and they are more likely to get surgery, use up hospital time than non-smokers. So in the process, they cause everyone's insurance rates to rise. So in the end, everyone is affected.

[dtcarson]

No cigarettes, [yuck] occasionally smoke a pipe [although now it's 'rarely' since my son was born].
If people want to smoke, more power to 'em--just let me go to a restaurant where I can smell the food instead of the smoke.
And yes, those damn piles of cigarette butts right outside my building's door, or at the stoplights, bug the crap out of me [same thing if it were tin cans or McD's drink cups, the issue isn't the smoking, it's the littering.]
North Carolina has a website you can report litterbugs, and they send a warning postcard to the registered owner of the vehicle. I don't think it does anything other than maybe 'scare' them.

[daikaiju]

I'm the worst kind of non-smoker - the REFORMED smoker! In all seriousness, I smoked for almost 15 years ,2 packs a day, and quit cold turkey about 5 years ago -haven't touched a cig since. That being said though, I understand exactly what smokers go through and quite honestly, I think they're given a bad rap. Sure it's their choice if they wish to smoke - but I really feel they shouldn't have to shoulder the brunt of the tax burden in the cost of their cigs, nor should they have their places to smoke eliminated. The whole argument of people not knowing what they are doing to themselves is complete crap to me - really, who's kidding who here? And as far as smoking in public places? I really don't think that the 30 minutes you spend in the restaurant behind the smoker is really gonna affect you that badly, you probably inhale more carcinogens in the parking lot from exhaust! And you always have the choice to just LEAVE. I mean really non-smokers - quitcherbitchen. I've just never understood why everyone can't just deal with it. *shrugs*. On the other side of the coin - why can't smokers be somewhat courteous to non-smokers as well? I mean really, is it that hard to find an ashtray instead of tossing your butt on the ground? And if your smoke is obviously bothering someone nearby, can't you smoke somewhere else? or maybe even just ...*GASP*... WAIT a little while to have that cig? ./end rant :D

[vherub]

that previous thread was more smoker-friendly, this thread is about how crappy smoking is in general.

if you want to smell like ass by smoking (or not showering, or rubbing yourself in feces) i guess thats your choice, but you certainly are unpleasant to be around - on the subway, at work, school or hanging out with

and whats bad about smoking as opposed to killing yourself with other addictions is second hand smoke a) is crap to make other people put up with and b) also makes people around you smell like smoke

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

[Grave_Addiction]

First off, I think smoking is very disgusting. My parents always smoked growing up, and I thought it was pretty shitty that I had to smell like ass because of their bad habit.

Also, I never took up smoking because I was just too damn dumb to smoke. True story. I honestly couldn't inhale the smoke into my lungs. I dunno what it was, but for some reason when I would inhale the smoke would just stay in my mouth and wouldn't go down my lungs. Yes, I'm a retard.

[EddieBelfour]

bah. you arent retarded. just reverse smart. i hate smoking, but still do and have thought about quitting on a regular basis, but i just kicked caffine, so im fine with it.

i will never however, quit my other habit of smoking and i assure you it isnt crack.

[Skylander7]

I'm a non smoker now.. quit 6 months ago. Yet here's something I don't understand... states are raising the taxes on cigarettes to the point to where they're like 4 bucks a pack, yet keep passing laws restricting smoking in restaurants, public places, etc.. Doesn't make sense to me

[Cornfedwb]

All you nit-picking overly nosy asswipes can get out of our business about it too.

I could give a shit if people want to slowly kill themselves with cigarettes. If you like it, fine - smoke away. What pisses me off are the douche bags who flick their butts on the ground and smoke in crowded areas where the rest of us have to be subject to it. :evil:

The problems is smokers have higher medical bills and they are more likely to get surgery, use up hospital time than non-smokers. So in the process, they cause everyone's insurance rates to rise. So in the end, everyone is affected.

I explained this in another thread... but this is a terribly dumb remark. I can see it has value (at first glance) as a well thought out remark.. but after 30 seconds of thinking about it, you realize how poor a thought it really is.

We should ban smoking because it causes our insurance rates/health care rates to rise: Ok, but then we need to kill or exile all people over 50, anyone who drives without their hands at 10 and 2 or listen to the radio need to be locked up. Anyone who's ever worked in mining, heavy industry, nuclear power plants, hell even air traffic controllers should be banned from medical care. And if you eat fast food or over eat, you're in big big trouble.

I could continue, but I think you can continue the thought to realize how poor an idea that really is. Everyone does something that is a detriment to their health.. but we don't ban greasy foods, or dangerous occupations for one simple reason.. we have freedom here. Smoking doesn't raise your insurance rates nearly as much as people abusing the system (going to a urgent care facility for a head cold, going to the ER for a cut that needs a Sesame Street band-aid, etc).

[Grave_Addiction]

I'm a non smoker now.. quit 6 months ago. Yet here's something I don't understand... states are raising the taxes on cigarettes to the point to where they're like 4 bucks a pack, yet keep passing laws restricting smoking in restaurants, public places, etc.. Doesn't make sense to me

Because the government doesn't want you to smoke!

[daphatty]

Off Topic - All of the "This has already been posted" complaints reminds me of a South Park episode where Butters tries to think up of a dastardly deed and keeps getting shot down because the "Simpsons already did it." Anyone remember the end of that episode?

On Topic - I don't want smokers to think that I am attacking their life choice. I was merely stating my belief that if a dirty butthole had a taste, puffing on a cigarette would be it. That was simply my experience. I hope no offense was taken.

[LV-426RS]

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

awesome...

My mom smokes and luckily I've longed since moved away from them. However I've gor two small bros and it's horible when I go to pick them up from school and even after being there all day they smell like smoke. It's the worst damn smell ever, next to week-old B.O.

[Cornfedwb]

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

And if you have some sort of disease that's carried through saliva (up to and possibly including AIDS).. that won't physically harm you?

[captainfrizo]

Non-smoker

[EddieBelfour]

Off Topic - All of the "This has already been posted" complaints reminds me of a South Park episode where Butters tries to think up of a dastardly deed and keeps getting shot down because the "Simpsons already did it." Anyone remember the end of that episode?


yep. "simpsons did it". classic south park. wonder if it was kudos or a diss.

anyway, smoking is cool. i hate those commercials with them dots or whatever they are. those kids probly all smoke after getting thier thousand dollar checks. they are about as over dramtic as anti pot ones.

[gamefreak117]

Smokers are Jokers!!

nah, I never smoked.. :)

[dtcarson]

I'm a non smoker now.. quit 6 months ago. Yet here's something I don't understand... states are raising the taxes on cigarettes to the point to where they're like 4 bucks a pack, yet keep passing laws restricting smoking in restaurants, public places, etc.. Doesn't make sense to me

Because the government doesn't want you to smoke!

But if you do, they're be glad to profit off of it. Hypocrites.
As bad as they say smoking is, if *everyone* quit smoking, they would panic at the loss of tax revenue.
Not too long ago, I sold a pack of cigarettes -name brand- for 1.65 including sales taxes. Now they're something like what, 2.50-3.00 in North Carolina, otherwise known as Tobaccoville. [hell, we have a *city* named Winston-Salem. Don't know if there's a 'Menthol' or 'King Size Hard Pack' anywhere in the state.]

[BigLebowski]

Well we've done this before...

But I smoke, and I'm proud of it. All you nit-picking overly nosy asswipes can get out of our business about it too.

They keep restricitng where I can and cannot smoke.... it's going to be the next Civil War.

Syndicated columnist Dave Berry predicted that, by the year 2010, the only place smoking will be permitted in the United States is in the bathroom of Smitty's Exxon station in Mobile, Alabama.

[Zenithian Legend]

smoke what?

Nevermind, I don't smoke anything anymore and I doubt I ever will again.

[daikaiju]

As bad as they say smoking is, if *everyone* quit smoking, they would panic at the loss of tax revenue.
Not too long ago, I sold a pack of cigarettes -name brand- for 1.65 including sales taxes. Now they're something like what, 2.50-3.00 in North Carolina, otherwise known as Tobaccoville


This is what I was talking about as far as "carrying the brunt of the tax burden". I can tell you that an easy $2.00 (most likely more) comes right off the top of every pack of cigs sold in PA. I can remember a year ago when they announced a .50 tax hike on them and the smokers were all complaining like mad. The thing is, the state knows they've got them where they want them. If they could manage to get an actual statewide smoke-out arranged and boycott cigs for a week or two, I bet it would change in a hurry. There are plenty of other things that are potential health hazards that aren't taxed like cigs are - what about alcohol?

[dtcarson]

Well, alcohol is taxed too--and some states [like NC] control the sales of hard liquor, so they have a monopoly on in as well as collecting the taxes.
Here's some tax info on beer, for example:
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html
and
"The average bottle of beer costs 77 cents. Of that, 15 cents, or about 20 %, goes to state and federal sales and excise sales taxes. Both state and federal governments impose special excise taxes on beer, in addition to standard sales taxes.

But that is only the beginning. Out of what the consumer pays for beer, the beer producer must pay federal income taxes, state income taxes, federal payroll taxes, unemployment insurance taxes, workmen’s compensation taxes, state franchise taxes, local property taxes and any local income taxes. Out of the remaining 62 cents that goes to the beer producer after state and federal sales taxes, the producer pays 18 cents, or about 25 percent of his total sales price, for these taxes."

http://www.atr.org/taxbites/beer.html

True, cigarettes are, in general, taxed more.
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

Cigarettes have been stigmatized and demonized much more than alcohol recently [with reason or not], so the average public is more supportive of an increased tax on cigarettes.

Here's an interesting article on high cig taxes and cigarette smuggling.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba423/

Cigarette taxes to me are one of the worst. First, taxes should be used to fund the government in doing what it's supposed to do [which it has vastly overstepped, but that's another thread]. So they have a vested interest in either promoting smoking, increasing taxes, or both. They shouldn't promote smoking, because smoking is definitely bad for you. But if they increase taxes too much, eventually it'll reach a point where the taxpayers/smokers are no longer willing to pay it, hence the smuggling we see in some states. Plus, they shouldn't tax as a method of controlling personal activity, at least not in a republic. As long as someone's actions don't directly harm someone else, it should be permitted, and if it's wrong, then make it illegal, don't 'tax' it [and the idea of 'higher health costs' etc is a valid argument, but leads us to a slippery slope--TV and junk food help lead to the increase in obesity which increases health costs for everyone, so they should be taxed. Same with video games. And books. And cars, since people are driving, not walking. Golf carts, too. Where do you stop?].

[Indiana]

I'm a non smoker now.. quit 6 months ago. Yet here's something I don't understand... states are raising the taxes on cigarettes to the point to where they're like 4 bucks a pack, yet keep passing laws restricting smoking in restaurants, public places, etc.. Doesn't make sense to me

Because the government doesn't want you to smoke!

Actually that is not true. The government gave Millions to tobacco farmers this year! And every year prior... in tax breaks and subsidies.

[Cornfedwb]

I'm a non smoker now.. quit 6 months ago. Yet here's something I don't understand... states are raising the taxes on cigarettes to the point to where they're like 4 bucks a pack, yet keep passing laws restricting smoking in restaurants, public places, etc.. Doesn't make sense to me

Because the government doesn't want you to smoke!

Actually that is not true. The government gave Millions to tobacco farmers this year! And every year prior... in tax breaks and subsidies.

Well you're assuming the government's left hand had any idea what it's right hand is doing. I agree the government wants to rid the country of smoking.. but that doesn't meant some other department isn't either taking advantage of smoking or helping it in someway.

[carlagyrl]

I used to some socially (like at the club). But now I smoke like 1 pack a week. I started cause I was stressed , my friend gave a cig and it calmed my nerves. The rest is history.

[The Successful Dropout]

smoking is the biggest waste of time and money imo

[Zenithian Legend]

smoking is the biggest waste of time and money imo

like drinking really... I used to be all into that crap (except smoking cigarettes), but then I decided I'd save my money for food, going out with my girlfriend and video games instead

[organicow]

I don't want smokers to think that I am attacking their life choice. I was merely stating my belief that if a dirty butthole had a taste, puffing on a cigarette would be it. That was simply my experience. I hope no offense was taken.

Had I known that ditry b-holes were like cigs, i could have saved my self a ton of money when i was a smoker!!! 8)

[mousin]

you should also say, if they do smoke what do they smoke? im smoking midnight berry KOOLs. usually black and milds, or marlboro lights

[The Successful Dropout]

smoking is the biggest waste of time and money imo

like drinking really... I used to be all into that crap (except smoking cigarettes), but then I decided I'd save my money for food, going out with my girlfriend and video games instead

i dont drink often either....i might drink once a month, if that....and its not really to get drunk, its usually because i can't sleep and drinking something makes me very sleepy

[PawnTakesKing]

Non-smoker and non-drinker. You can all flame me for being a goody-goody if you like, but to me cigarettes smell like crap and alcohol tastes like it. There's also not a bigger waste of money in the world.

Well, I take that back...seeing Garfield the Movie was a complete waste of money.

If I ever need to calm my nerves, I play my already completed game of NBA Street, Vol. 2, where my stats are all maxed out and I can go to the loser courts in New York and beat everyone 21 to 3. Ahhh...soothing.

[vherub]

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

And if you have some sort of disease that's carried through saliva (up to and possibly including AIDS).. that won't physically harm you?


i dont...you said...the...what?!?! disease carried through saliva, and transmitted by spitting on someone??? Even if somehow a disease could be transmitted (and there is NO scientific, documented evidence to suggest saliva can pass on the aids virus to someone else) youd have to spit directly into that persons mouth to even begin building some kind of case for this.

But lets say you are correct, and someone your worldview has replaced common sense and reality, wouldnt the cigar/cigarette butt have LOTS of saliva residue on it since it is all about going in and out of your mouth over and over again, so when you dispose of it, that residue could then (again your worldview has replaced reason) carry disease to someone else?

[Cornfedwb]

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

And if you have some sort of disease that's carried through saliva (up to and possibly including AIDS).. that won't physically harm you?


i dont...you said...the...what?!?! disease carried through saliva, and transmitted by spitting on someone??? Even if somehow a disease could be transmitted (and there is NO scientific, documented evidence to suggest saliva can pass on the aids virus to someone else) youd have to spit directly into that persons mouth to even begin building some kind of case for this.

But lets say you are correct, and someone your worldview has replaced common sense and reality, wouldnt the cigar/cigarette butt have LOTS of saliva residue on it since it is all about going in and out of your mouth over and over again, so when you dispose of it, that residue could then (again your worldview has replaced reason) carry disease to someone else?

Ok, Aids cannot be passed by saliva.. true.. but if you have an open cut in your mouth, it can be carried into the saliva and passed that way. However, many many more diseases arecarried through saliva (including Ebola actually). And your orginal comment referenced secondhand smoke.. not picking up a cigarette butt and licking it.

[GuilewasNK]

Non-smoker. End transmission.

[karmapolice]

That second hand smoke crap is a load of horse shit...If you knew what you were talking about I feel you would hurt yourself...That study (the one to make second hand smoke so "bad"...) was a crock...They didnt actually do what they were supposed to and made fradgulent statements about things that they never really tested for...Second hand smoke has never been proven to be harmful to anyone...And if you choose to believe that being around someone who is smoking for a couple minutes or even a hour is going to affect your life then you are dreadfully mistaken...Second hand smoke has never been proven and the study was biased...So do your research before you believe everything that the media sells to you...Why dont you go and buy another pair of GAP jeans...because the are the best...according to the advertisement...so it must be true...right? WRONG!

[PawnTakesKing]

That second hand smoke crap is a load of horse shit...If you knew what you were talking about I feel you would hurt yourself...That study (the one to make second hand smoke so "bad"...) was a crock...They didnt actually do what they were supposed to and made fradgulent statements about things that they never really tested for...Second hand smoke has never been proven to be harmful to anyone...And if you choose to believe that being around someone who is smoking for a couple minutes or even a hour is going to affect your life then you are dreadfully mistaken...Second hand smoke has never been proven and the study was biased...So do your research before you believe everything that the media sells to you...Why dont you go and buy another pair of GAP jeans...because the are the best...according to the advertisement...so it must be true...right? WRONG!

How do we know *you're* not the one talking horse s***?

[bignick]

Everybody must get stoned.

[karmapolice]

I will try to find the article

[karmapolice]

Here you go jerkface...next time read into things.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-28-98.html

Did anyone else hear than? I think I just heard someone get pwned!

[dtcarson]

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

And if you have some sort of disease that's carried through saliva (up to and possibly including AIDS).. that won't physically harm you?


i dont...you said...the...what?!?! disease carried through saliva, and transmitted by spitting on someone??? Even if somehow a disease could be transmitted (and there is NO scientific, documented evidence to suggest saliva can pass on the aids virus to someone else) youd have to spit directly into that persons mouth to even begin building some kind of case for this.

But lets say you are correct, and someone your worldview has replaced common sense and reality, wouldnt the cigar/cigarette butt have LOTS of saliva residue on it since it is all about going in and out of your mouth over and over again, so when you dispose of it, that residue could then (again your worldview has replaced reason) carry disease to someone else?

Ok, Aids cannot be passed by saliva.. true.. but if you have an open cut in your mouth, it can be carried into the saliva and passed that way. However, many many more diseases arecarried through saliva (including Ebola actually). And your orginal comment referenced secondhand smoke.. not picking up a cigarette butt and licking it.

Or conceivably by spitting, and if the spittee has any open cuts on his body, I would think that could pass some germs that way.

Second hand smoke may or may not be 'proven' to harm someone, but:
* I think cigarette smoke smells like crap.
* It does distract/cover up other odors that I might want to smell.
* It can cause asthma attacks or make them worse--my wife and son have asthma, and more than once I've spent a night in the ER waiting for them to breathe.
So scientifically proven or not, I don't want secondhand smoke around me or my family.

[daphatty]

Secondhand smoke doesn't do anything... Right. Next you'll try to convince us that there was no holocaust and the Nazi's weren't evil. :roll:

I don't need a scientific study to tell me that second hand smoke makes me ill. If I want to curb my appetite I stand next to a smoker. If I want to give myself a cold (or in my case, the flu) I spend some time with someone who smokes cloves. I don't need a "scientific study" to prove to me that second hand smoke is bad for me. I have lived it.

[karmapolice]

I dont believe that for a minute...so you get a cold everytime you stand next to someone who is smoking?...I find that hard to believe...Smoking lowers the immune system for the person smoking...not the person around it...You have to be subjected to it for a long time...I agree with the asthma comment...If I had asthma I would not be smoking and if someone around me had asthma I would really appreciate it if they would tell me they do...I dont mean some: "Jesus can you put that shit out!"...I mean a "I have asthma and that is really bothering me...could you please move?" Or rather they could just move...Im just sick of people throwing this "I dont want second hand smoke" crap...You breathing in a couple fumes from my ciggerette arent as bad as you breathing in car exhaust every day...So if you want to go live in a bubble away from all dangerous gases then be my guest...but until you drive a ALL electric vehicle and live where every car is electric and dont deal with fumes and polution...then you can bitch about my smoke

[Mustang O-Line 75]

Next you'll try to convince us that there was no holocaust and the Nazi's weren't evil. :roll:
WE WERE ON VACATION
THE POLISH INVITED US FOR TEA

on a serious note... karma, why does one botched study assure you that there are no harmful side effects?

I think that secondhand smoke in the environment is nearly meaningless.

but, If I am in a room or a closed area with people who smoke (i.e. a bar or something), i dont want to have to breathe that.

I am not against people smoking. But its common decency not to do it inside.

[karmapolice]

Oh I agree with you completly on that...People have no right to force others to smell it when they dont want too...I am speaking of mearly outside areas...But you do realize that smoking is something that will always be in bars...You know that going in...I do smoke indoors on occation (shows and such) but other than that I go outside and away from people...mainly so I dont have to listen to people complain or people telling me that "You know smoking is bad for you right?"...Yes I do know and I would love it if not another person ever asked me that again...Smoking indoors on most occations is rude (other than your own home...but still if company comes over then you should stop out of common courtesy)

[JohnnyDrama]

non-smoker here

[PawnTakesKing]

Here you go jerkface...next time read into things.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-28-98.html

Did anyone else hear than? I think I just heard someone get pwned!

It's hard to pwn someone when you can't even spell the word "that" correctly.

Even if the bull this North Carolina judge is spewing out of his butthole has some truth behind it, secondhand smoke still annoys me to no end. It smells like crap, it makes me and my clothes smell like crap, and, whether you care or not, it's blackening your lungs and killing you slowly. But oh wait, next you'll be telling me that you found a study that proves that wrong too, right?

Seriously, it's your right to smoke, and that's all well and good. But at least have a little concern for your own well-being.

[Cornfedwb]

If I want to give myself a cold (or in my case, the flu) I spend some time with someone who smokes cloves.

Uhmm, explain to me how smoking cloves somehow introduces viruses into your body.. please. I mean... holy hell.. seriously. Yes, second-hand smoke is bad.. yes smoking is bad.. yes, I enjoy smoking. But this thread has brought out some seriously psychoticly rediculous ideas.

[Noodle Pirate!]

Wow you post one study to counter another? Why if you say the first one was fake can the second one not be fake?
People will dig up a study to support their side, there is alwasy one study taht says the other one is lying to support itself.
Simple truth is those who dislike second hand smoke dislike it because they cant stand the smell,not because some study tells them they shouldnt like it.
Honestly your not going to get lung cancer from inhaling it a few times in your life.
I cant stand smelling smoke it makes me want to rip it out of their mouth and throw it on the ground.
Because its the rudeness of that fact that you think you have the right to mess with my clean air.
What you do in your own home is your business but if i go outside , i dont want to be inundated with non filtered smelly nasty smelling smoke.
If i did want that i would go join the fire dept.
It;s air polution plain and simple. HOw would you like it if somebody carried around a large open container of sewege and passed it under your nose for the hell of iit every few seconds??

[Cornfedwb]

Wow you post one study to counter another? Why if you say the first one was fake can the second one not be fake?
People will dig up a study to support their side, there is alwasy one study taht says the other one is lying to support itself.
Simple truth is those who dislike second hand smoke dislike it because they cant stand the smell,not because some study tells them they shouldnt like it.
Honestly your not going to get lung cancer from inhaling it a few times in your life.
I cant stand smelling smoke it makes me want to rip it out of their mouth and throw it on the ground.
Because its the rudeness of that fact that you think you have the right to mess with my clean air.
What you do in your own home is your business but if i go outside , i dont want to be inundated with non filtered smelly nasty smelling smoke.
If i did want that i would go join the fire dept.
It;s air polution plain and simple. HOw would you like it if somebody carried around a large open container of sewege and passed it under your nose for the hell of iit every few seconds??

What about people that smell like alcohol.. or don't shower.. or have rotting teeth and terrible halitosis? What about old men with overfull colostomy bags? There are tons of people that infringe on your "right to clean air".

[ElfAngel7]

as i have said before, if you want to smoke next to me, fine, but then im gonna be spitting on you. think of it as second-hand spit, except it doesnt smell as bad, is easier to clean and wont physically harm you

And if you have some sort of disease that's carried through saliva (up to and possibly including AIDS).. that won't physically harm you?

AIDS isn't transmitted through spit. That's already been proven. Only blood and other bodily fluids.

[legion_stxds]

I quit after 6 years...

[yogi99]

I don't smoke and absolutely hate it.

[dtcarson]

If I want to give myself a cold (or in my case, the flu) I spend some time with someone who smokes cloves.

Uhmm, explain to me how smoking cloves somehow introduces viruses into your body.. please. I mean... holy hell.. seriously. Yes, second-hand smoke is bad.. yes smoking is bad.. yes, I enjoy smoking. But this thread has brought out some seriously psychoticly rediculous ideas.

Perhaps the clove smoke irritates his system, which lowers his resistance to getting a cold? How can someone's personal experience be 'psychoticly rediculous'?

And second hand smoke is expensive to me--whatever I've worn when around someone who's smoking, has to be washed that night [or at least before wearing it gain]. I sometimes wear jeans a couple times between washes, and I don't wash a jacket or coat often, but I have to after being in a smoky bar. Heck, after that, I have to take a shower before going to bed, otherwise my hair and bed stink.

Wasn't there some research that showed kids who grew up in a household with one or both parents smoking, were at greater risk of cancers and illnesses later in life?

[Noodle Pirate!]

What about people that smell like alcohol.. or don't shower.. or have rotting teeth and terrible halitosis? What about old men with overfull colostomy bags? There are tons of people that infringe on your "right to clean air".[/quote]

The difference is genius, that those are personal issues whereas smoking is a choice. A choice that most smokers know non smokers do not like..
Show me a smoker that has no clue that his habit is offensive to others and i might change my mind.

All this thread does is show that those who have addictions or habits will say or do anything to justify thier vice. Majority rules in this case and for smokers, that means youll soon only be allowed to smoke in very few areas lol.

[daphatty]

I dont believe that for a minute...so you get a cold everytime you stand next to someone who is smoking?...I find that hard to believe...Smoking lowers the immune system for the person smoking...not the person around it...You have to be subjected to it for a long time...I agree with the asthma comment...If I had asthma I would not be smoking and if someone around me had asthma I would really appreciate it if they would tell me they do...I dont mean some: "Jesus can you put that shit out!"...I mean a "I have asthma and that is really bothering me...could you please move?" Or rather they could just move...Im just sick of people throwing this "I dont want second hand smoke" crap...You breathing in a couple fumes from my ciggerette arent as bad as you breathing in car exhaust every day...So if you want to go live in a bubble away from all dangerous gases then be my guest...but until you drive a ALL electric vehicle and live where every car is electric and dont deal with fumes and polution...then you can bitch about my smoke

I'm just sharing my personal experience. Not everyone will become physically ill after being exposed to second hand smoke for a period of time. But I do. As does my wife, my mother, my daughter, and several other people in my circle of family and friends. As far as I am concerned, that is enough to convince me that second hand smoke does have negative side effects. Just because something does not happen to you, doesn't mean it can't happen. You should consider yourself lucky. Either that, or you are a smoker and are already immune to it.

[daphatty]

If I want to give myself a cold (or in my case, the flu) I spend some time with someone who smokes cloves.

Uhmm, explain to me how smoking cloves somehow introduces viruses into your body.. please. I mean... holy hell.. seriously. Yes, second-hand smoke is bad.. yes smoking is bad.. yes, I enjoy smoking. But this thread has brought out some seriously psychoticly rediculous ideas.

I was about 16 years old and I was hanging out with a bunch of friends who loved to smoke cloves. We were all holed up in a room one night, just having a good time doing teenage stuff. The smoke from the cloves irritated my lungs a little bit but the sweet smell of them sorta masked the discomfort. The next day I woke up with the worst sore throat I'd had up to that point in my life and the day after that I became ill with the flu. Obviously it wasn't the source of the flu infection, but it certainly was a contributing factor.

[Explosion]

never smoked and i never will.

i absolutely despise it

[alongx]

The Mask thing in your poll options - just bad.

[daphatty]

The Mask thing in your poll options - just bad.

Bad? How so? I was going for "clever" or "interesting" since most poll options are bland IMO. :D

[The Mana Knight]

I'm a non smoker and will never be a smoker. Pretty much all my friends smoke and I can't stand it.

[PapiChullo]

I only smoke when I'm drunk.