I doubt anyone here cares, but is anyone seeing Hostel II?

[Sofa King Kool]

I'm probably the only person on the forum excited for it, but I just thought I'd ask. I've already got my tickets, and I cannot wait another minute for it.

I know a lot of you hated the first one, but check out some reviews of the second. Even people who hated the first movie gave the second a great review.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hostel_2/

(Urg, dropped to 62%)

(If you go to the forums, don't click any thread with a title similar to "Just watched it". It will be riddled with spoilers).

[Zen Davis]

I am definitely seeing it. I've heard numerous reviews of this being better than the first.

For some reason sequels always seem to get a bad rap. Yet if you really take the time to examine the sequel, specifically as it implies to genre films in the Sci-Fi and Horror vein, more often than not the sequel is far superior, in terms of story, character development, gore and suspense/thrills, to the original. Of course a lot of sequels simply suck, too.

Trying to nail down why some sequels succeed and some fail is tough. One could say that some succeed due to the injection of new blood (different screenwriter, different director, different actors) which often brings a fresh, new approach to the familiar material. Yet just as many sequels done by the original team of creators have succeeded as those done by a new team and vice/versa. Basically, we could sit here and argue the merits of each for hours, but the simple fact remains, some sequels fare better because of new creative blood and others fair better thanks to old blood. You just never can tell.

With Hostel: Part II the original creator is back on tap. This would be director/screenwriter/producer Eli Roth, who has actually improved upon the first Hostel film, delivering more gore, but more importantly delivering a more streamlined, and dare I say, mature spin on the slasher genre. He joins the ranks of George Miller and Sam Raimi as a wild genre director who takes his initial concept and builds upon it, giving us more refined bits of the first film, but put through a meat grinder and made a bit more palpable. Hostel was ground chuck, Hostel: Part II is top sirloin.

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/793/793521/hostel-part-ii-20070601014359429.jpg (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/793/793804/imgs_1.html)


To be quite frank, I was not a fan of Roth's first youth hostelling exploitationer, feeling that it was a little trite, a little forced, and basically hell-bent for providing shocks over substance. Needless to say when news of Hostel: Part II came down the pike I immediately went into cynical shock, thinking that Roth and company were just out to make another quick buck bringing some half-assed schlock and awe to the Cineplex in an attempt to further placate the masses with sub-standard horror fare. Watching the dismal Turistas recently didn't do much to assuage these fears.

Yet a surprising thing happened on the way to the house of slaughter: Roth completely upped his game, improved upon the original by leaps and bounds, and actually made a believer out of this crusty old nub. Following in the tradition of such classic sequels as The Devils Rejects, Evil Dead 2, and Road Warrior Roth wastes no time sinking into familiar territory, giving the audience a quick fix jolt of gore and suspense right out the gate. From there he shifts tones and goes straight to romantic Italy where three young ladies—the obnoxious hottie (Bijou Phillips), the cute and meek (Lauren German) and the geek (Heather Matarazzo) -- are studying abroad. Naturally they decide to take a break from school and head off to Prague for a weekend of debauchery. As can be expected, their plans shift a bit and they end up at everybody's favorite Slovakian hostel. You know what happens next…or at least you think you do.

Part of the allure of Hostel: Part II is that for most of the film you are fairly certain you know what's going to happen. When a hot foreign chick shows up and befriends the trio on their way to Prague you just know that she's part of the whole slaughterhouse cadre. Or is she? When hot Slovakian hunks pop up and begin to seduce members of the trio you just know that they're part of the bulldog tattoo posse. Or are they? Basically, Roth tosses so many red herrings at you and hopes that some of them stick and some flop away. The result is that he invariably and very slyly sucks you into a sense of familiarity that gives you a false sense of "Hey, I know what's going on." What ends up happening is that more often than not you are turned slightly on your head. Sure, a lot of what you guess will happen eventually does happen, but it's delivered in such a smooth manner that even when you've figured something out it doesn't feel like a letdown when it actually happens.

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Conversely, all the twists and turns are logical. Never once do you go "WTF?" when something happens to a character. On this level Roth is near genius as all too often in these types of films there's a twist that makes nary a lick of sense no matter which way you slice and dice it. As with the original Hostel Roth tosses in little hidden verbal cues here and there which make watching the sequel very much like unfolding a psychotic cinematic version of Where's Waldo?, except the payoff is much, much, much bloodier and much, much, much more demented.

The other major tweak that Roth has done to this film is that he's more or less tossed any of the forced humor of past endeavors (think that over-the-top hillbilly shtick from Cabin Fever and the over-the-top street urchins from Hostel) to the wind, letting it flutter away in favor of more restrained and subtle (at least for Roth, which still isn't that subtle) asides of twisted wit. Granted, familiar characters are still in place delivering dry moment of goofiness (the desk clerk at the hostel, the devilish Our Gang orphans, etc.) that flow well within the context of the film and actually capture a much more accurate assimilation of those creepy Euro thrillers and chillers from the '60s and '70s with rich tongue-in-cheek appreciation.

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/793/793521/hostel-part-ii-20070601014358758.jpg (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/793/793804/imgs_1.html)


Hostel: Part II isn't so much a horror film as it is a gore soaked thriller. In this way Roth has more or less done what James Cameron did with Aliens. Rather than remake the claustrophobic horror of Ridley Scott's Alien Cameron went straight for the gonads with an extreme action film. Here Roth has ditched the "horror" of the first film in favor of a more exact sense of modern noir and creepiness, serving up a disconcerting slow burn instead of a mallet-to-the-head shocker (don't get me wrong, there's still plenty of shocking gore in Hostel: Part II, it just comes in spaced out waves). The bottomline with this sequel is such: any horror flick steeped in Giallo tradition (with slight forays into the whole Spanish/West German lesbian vampire sub-genre) that brings Dawn Weiner back from the dead only to get sliced and diced in some over-the-top Grand Guignol fashion is pretty damn bueno; in a sick-and-twisted sort of way, mind you, but damn bueno all the same.

[Sofa King Kool]

Wow! Someone who's actually going to see it. This thread is already going better than I expected.

[howlinmad]

I'm going to go see it. I actually liked the first. Then again, most movies I like, everybody hates.

Sometimes it's nice disconnect the brain for a couple of hours. There's enough going on up there the rest of the day.

[captainfrizo]

I really didn't care too much for the first and have no desire to see the second.

[kevzik]

I'll probably be seeing it tomorrow at midnight. Most of my friends are playing the "disturbing" card, but its just a movie. And to the guy abouve, youre right. It is a relief to diconnect the brain from the stress we go through. Nothing better than just zoning out for a couple hours.

[prmononoke]

Definitely seeing it, although finding people to go with is gonna be a pain in the ass. I enjoyed the first one (a bit disappointing though), so I'm definitely looking forward to this.

[kennistond]

I enjoyed the first Hostel and will be seeing Part II on Monday.

I've heard good things about Part II so hopefully it lives up to expectations.

[Zen Davis]

Second one is definitely better. It's mainly because they got better actors and the pacing is infinitely better. And the fact that it looks like they got someone to do the actual lighting helps as well.

This is not just 'torture porn', which in effect makes it even harder to watch. I mean the fucking character work is very good for what a film like this 'should' be and it just adds to the suspense.

[Prepster]

I have been looking forward to seeing this since I first caught wind of it awhile back. I plan on seeing it if there is a midnight showing around here and I loved the first one.

My girlfriend loved the first one to, so we are really pumped for seeing this if not tomorrow, then Friday for sure.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

No, I'll probably rent it on DVD

You people are fucked up for enjoying movies like this and Saw and such though, they're disturbing as hell (though hard to stop watching). If you watch something like this, it should be alone and ashamed, with feelings of guilt and puke in your throat

William H. Macy does not endorse this thread

[whoknows]

I hated hated hated hated the first Hostel. It wasn't a horror movie. It was a porno.

Still...I never learn my lesson and will probably end up seeing this

[nonggame]

it's suck but at least you will see the guy from the first movie again. Oh well but he die anyway early in the movie. ^__^;

[Zen Davis]

it's suck but at least you will see the guy from the first movie again. Oh well but he die anyway early in the movie. ^__^;
It did not suck. If you go in expecting a wall to wall bloodbath, you're going to be let down. If expect some character work however, you will be pleased.

[Sofa King Kool]

I don't know about anyone else, but I personally cannot wait to see the story following the two torturers.

[Zen Davis]

I don't know about anyone else, but I personally cannot wait to see the story following the two torturers. I can't imagine what they've cooked up.
Don't expect much. I've seen it, and for a film that runs an hour and thirty three minutes, their isn't room for much backstory. :)

[Sofa King Kool]

Don't expect much. I've seen it, and for a film that runs an hour and thirty three minutes, their isn't room for much backstory. :)
I mostly just want to see what the timid one ends up doing.

How did you see it already? Bootleg?

[nonggame]

It did not suck. If you go in expecting a wall to wall bloodbath, you're going to be let down. If expect some character work however, you will be pleased.
WTH, it's the same thing all over again, but this time it 3 American girls. Same old trick, nothing new >< . The ending is such a joke.

[whoknows]

Don't expect much. I've seen it, and for a film that runs an hour and thirty three minutes, their isn't room for much backstory. :)
Since you've already seen it, is it a porno like the first one or is it actually a horror movie?

[Sporadic]

I'm not planning to see Hostel 2 because the first one was such a boring piece of shit.

Shitty softcore porn mixed with shitty torture scenes mixed with great location mixed with horrible thriller/revenge exploitation film.

Unless there is a huge jump in quality, I doubt I'll ever get around to seeing it.

[dastly75]

Didn't like the first one much, not gonna see it. Knocked Up was hilarious though.

[Zen Davis]

Since you've already seen it, is it a porno like the first one or is it actually a horror movie?
No porno this time. Only one death scene can be considered porno, and it wasn't even that intense. The ending made sense as to how the characters were built and what the Hostel/Factory is all about.

All together, there is more time spent talking about what the hell is going on compared to actual deaths and what not. It's more of a thriller film with a few gorey scenes thrown in, perhaps ala Hannibal, than the original Hostel. A better way to put is that you won't feel dirty after watching this.

And thinking about it, the first one was WAY more violent. Take your girlfriend to see it because she'll probably end up liking it more than you, if only for the ending.

I'm not planning to see Hostel 2 because the first one was such a boring piece of shit.

Shitty softcore porn mixed with shitty torture scenes mixed with great location mixed with horrible thriller/revenge exploitation film.

Unless there is a huge jump in quality, I doubt I'll ever get around to seeing it.
I think that has less to do with Hostel 2 and more to do with you being a jerk. You're just looking to shit over anything and everything you can because it makes you feel better. Anyone else could say they didn't like it and I'll accept that. You're basically reviewing a film you haven't seen. Go watching fucking Mary Poppins if make you feel better.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Didn't even really like the first, but I'll probably see it. Friend of mine is very excited and he wants to go before he leaves for Germany (Monday).

[Scrubsy]

Trust me the formula for 2 is the same as one so if you loved the first one you will go nuts for the second one. The one part I really hate is the tie to the first one, I will not spoil it like some other dicks here.

[The Successful Dropout]

The 1st is one of my favorite movies. I didn't even know the 2nd one was coming out this friday until I read the paper this morning. I'll be seeing it this weekend for sure. The fact that I just found out it's getting good reviews has just made me even more excited.

[shieryda]

Waiting for DVD.

Watching it alone, just like the first one.

[slidecage]

i skip it. not worth 10 bucks . It be out on DVD soon enough

I was hoping to go see it when it first had a Jan 2007 date BUT i no longer care about it (sounds they took all the gore out of it. So no reason to see it)

[Predator21281]

it's suck but at least you will see the guy from the first movie again. Oh well but he die anyway early in the movie. ^__^;Good God man, where's teh spoiler tags.

[shieryda]

How do people think that "Hostel" was a porno? Two different girls showed their tits, and then were filmed in a very weak sex scene with the main characters of the movie.

Have these people never seen real porn?:roll:

[camoor]

I could never watch a movie like this - I watched seven when it came out, and that was the last gory horror terror movie I ever want to see.

I'll stick with The Ring, The Shining, The Sixth Sense etc thanks alot.

I will, however, read the spoiler for sure :D

[Vampire Hunter D]

Im seein it. Leaving for vacation Sunday so i hope i can see it tomorrow or Sat.

[camoor]

I'm probably the only person on the forum excited for it, but I just thought I'd ask. I've already got my tickets, and I cannot wait another minute for it.

I know a lot of you hated the first one, but check out some reviews of the second. I haven't seen a single bad review so far. Even people who hated the first movie gave the second a great review.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hostel_2/

(If you go to the forums, don't click any thread with a title similar to "Just watched it". It will be riddled with spoilers).

What is that pic in your sig?

[seanr1221]

This should go well with Manhunt 2.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

Didn't like the first one much, not gonna see it. Knocked Up was hilarious though.
I have to say, you have an excellent eye for comedy :D

[Sofa King Kool]

What is that pic in your sig?
That's a still from the movie.

This should go well with Manhunt 2.
Hellz yeah.

*EDIT*

Yuck, I sure hope this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hostel_2/) changes.

[camoor]

That's a still from the movie.

I see - I thought it might be some weird videogame. Thx for the answer.

[Scrubsy]

That's a still from the movie.


Hellz yeah.

*EDIT*

Yuck, I sure hope this (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hostel_2/) changes.
That rotten score is pretty good considering its a horror movie.

[Sporadic]

I think that has less to do with Hostel 2 and more to do with you being a jerk. You're just looking to shit over anything and everything you can because it makes you feel better. Anyone else could say they didn't like it and I'll accept that. You're basically reviewing a film you haven't seen. Go watching fucking Mary Poppins if make you feel better.

Oh yeah, I just get a big hard on dumping on Hostel and your crappy rip off....hold on what

Trust me the formula for 2 is the same as one so if you loved the first one you will go nuts for the second one. The one part I really hate is the tie to the first one, I will not spoil it like some other dicks here.

Imagine that, Hostel 2 is just like Hostel 1 except with girls playing the part of unlikeable bastards.

Why would I waste money to see that when it's a rehash of a movie I hate?

And my dislike for it has nothing to do with it's violence. A movie just has to bring more to the table then "look how sadistic I am/check out these tits"

[Zen Davis]

Oh yeah, I just get a big hard on dumping on Hostel and your crappy rip off....hold on what

Imagine that, Hostel 2 is just like Hostel 1 except with girls playing the part of unlikeable bastards.

Why would I waste money to see that when it's a rehash of a movie I hate?

And my dislike for it has nothing to do with it's violence. A movie just has to bring more to the table then "look how sadistic I am/check out these tits"
All I'm saying is you come across as a super angry sissy. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sporadic fears Hostel.

[PKRipp3r]

I think I might attack some neighborhood squirrels with a BBQ fork instead.

[Sporadic]

All I'm saying is you come across as a super angry sissy. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sporadic fears Hostel.

Yeah, not everybody can be ultra edgy/creative like you and come up with stories about hillbillies dragging people through the woods by their intestines and slicing people up with chainsaws.

Fuck if only I wasn't such a bitch and had the brain power to come up with a creative pseudonym like Zen Davis, I would be a millionaire!

[dastly75]

I think I might attack some neighborhood squirrels with a BBQ fork instead.

The fuck?

*declares thread an all out brawl*

[Zen Davis]

Yeah, not everybody can be ultra edgy/creative like you and come up with stories about hillbillies dragging people through the woods by their intestines and slicing people up with chainsaws.

Fuck if only I wasn't such a bitch and had the brain power to come up with a creative pseudonym like Zen Davis, I would be a millionaire!

Sporadic still fears Hostel.

[Sporadic]

Sporadic still fears Hostel.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/9963/emotdownsownedse2.gif

[crazytalkx]

Yeah, and that's where I'm taking a girl for our first date :lol:

[Sporadic]

Yeah, and that's where I'm taking a girl for our first date :lol:

Be careful, it may give her some ideas.

somebody gets their penis cut off

:lol:

[crazytalkx]

Be careful, it may give her some ideas.

somebody gets their penis cut off

:lol:

OH SHI-

[Sofa King Kool]

OH SHI-
Yeah...there's a full frontal castration towards the end.

And from what I've heard so far, not a moment of it is left to the imagination.
The fuck?

*declares thread an all out brawl*
Don't worry. I actually thought that was pretty funny.

[shieryda]

Be careful, it may give her some ideas.

somebody gets their penis cut off

:lol:

That did that in a scene from "I Spit on Your Grave". Pretty crazy stuff.

[VanillaGorilla]

So other than that, what is the big surprise the commercials have been pimping?

[Sofa King Kool]

Just got back.

I've never been so dissapointed in a movie before. It sucked.

[VanillaGorilla]

Just got back.

I've never been so dissapointed in a movie before. It sucked.What was the big surprise ending, dammit?

[Sofa King Kool]

What was the big surprise ending, dammit?
There really wasn't one. Besides the whole castration thing. The only thing surprising about that movie was how badly it sucked.

[gokou36]

There really wasn't one. Besides the whole castration thing. The only thing surprising about that movie was how badly it sucked.


I see 28 weeks later in your avatar, are you saying that movie was better? Because it sure as hell wasn't. I thought the beginning of the story of Hostel 2 was stupid, but it got better afterwards. IMO, Hostel 2 is way better than that piece of shit movie 28 weeks later.

[Sofa King Kool]

28 Weeks Later shits on Hostel 2. Just my opinion though. You don't have to agree.

[coolcolt]

28 Weeks Later shits on Hostel 2. Just my opinion though. You don't have to agree.

I have to agree with you. I really don't understand why so many people like Saw and Hostel.

[Sofa King Kool]

I have to agree with you. I really don't understand why so many people like Saw and Hostel.

Well, don't get me wrong, I loved the first Hostel. I'm also a big Saw fan, (not so much with the third though). But Hostel 2 was downright terrible.

[Zen Davis]

I thought the ending made sense. Bitch was rich and money talks.

Why didn't you like it?

[Sofa King Kool]

- The first torture scene was stupid. It was like something out of a vampire movie. It wasn't realistic at all, it just really bothered me.
- Paxton's death was rediculous.
- What the hell was with the heads in the closet? It made no sense at all.
- Aside from the first one, there really wasn't a solid torture scene in the whole movie.
- They made the torture business seem waaaay too big. It was much scarier in the first movie where it seemed to be something that was only going on in that creepy little town.
- I hated the part where the girl cuts the other girl's head off with an axe and the kids play soccer with it. Just seemed really stupid to me.

It just seems like he wasn't taking this movie seriously at all. It was like the whole movie was one big joke.

But that's just my opinion.

[Duo_Maxwell]

Hated the first movie, a great example shock for the sake of shock but a piss poor example of a movie. So I won't be seeing 2 at all obviously. Besides I can't go to see a film where the director can't sell any tickets or DVDs without plastering another director's name (whom I don't like either really) all over the commercials in fashion to make him look like he directed it.

[Zen Davis]

- The first torture scene was stupid. It was like something out of a vampire movie. It wasn't realistic at all, it just really bothered me.
- Paxton's death was rediculous.
- What the hell was with the heads in the closet? It made no sense at all.
- Aside from the first one, there really wasn't a solid torture scene in the whole movie.
- They made the torture business seem waaaay too big. It was much scarier in the first movie where it seemed to be something that was only going on in that creepy little town.
- I hated the part where the girl cuts the other girl's head off with an axe and the kids play soccer with it. Just seemed really stupid to me.

It just seems like he wasn't taking this movie seriously at all. It was like the whole movie was one big joke.

But that's just my opinion.

I thought that the characters in part 2 were much more likeable than the ones in the first one, which made it harder when they got taken to the factory. I didn't dig any of the characters in the first one. They all seemed like assholes.

The thing is, I don't think Roth tried to outdo part 1 in terms of the brutality and mayhem, but instead tried to tell the better story. Yeah, there's no part in the story, where the level of cruelty approaches the first one, but I mean if you found yourself being sold to the highest bidden to be killed and you had the money, don't you think you would try and buy your way out?, and I think the tortue business really is that big.

Roth was originally doing a documentary and the murder business and he was told to back off lest he be killed himself, and so he made Hostel instead.

The heads were for people who escaped

[swetooth9]

i felt mixed about the movie...yea it was gory enough to mess with my head a little after the movie, but there were some WTF moments as well

what was with the dude shooting that one little kid? i dont get it...


i thought some of the parts were just downright hilarious too

my favorite part was when the dude is getting head and his device starts beeping to let him know his victim is waiting...and he pushes the woman off him haha..he's like "bitch get off me" and shoves her ass off his dick...funny shit

[Zen Davis]

those kids were the bubble gum gang. they killed some of the factor workers in the past film.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

Apparentally very few of you saw it, it made around 3 mill on Friday

[Sofa King Kool]

I thought that the characters in part 2 were much more likeable than the ones in the first one, which made it harder when they got taken to the factory. I didn't dig any of the characters in the first one. They all seemed like assholes.
Really? I loved everybody in the first movie. I felt bad for every last one of them when they were being tortured. The people in the second one kind of annoyed me. I only felt bad for the first girl, even though her death was rediculous.

The heads were for people who escaped
I knew that, I just thought it was really stupid.

By the way, did you notice that one of them was Eli Roth's head?

[crazytalkx]

This one sucked, hard. It just never seemed to be taken too seriously as d00k said already. That and not a single good torture scene, wtf!?

[Sc4rfac3]

i saw it
The part where lorna was getting cut was nasty the chick was bathing in her blood :puke:
I liked the fact they dug a lil deeper into the elite hunting organization.
The bidding part was dumb.
paxton getting killed was dumb, but other than that the movie was kinda good.

[Sc4rfac3]

Really? I loved everybody in the first movie. I felt bad for every last one of them when they were being tortured. The people in the second one kind of annoyed me. I only felt bad for the first girl, even though her death was rediculous.


I knew that, I just thought it was really stupid.

By the way, did you notice that one of them was Eli Roth's head? yeah i did but you had to look really fast
The First killer is named after a historic serial killer she was rumored to kill young women in the same method that the first girl in the movie was killed

[Sc4rfac3]

i felt mixed about the movie...yea it was gory enough to mess with my head a little after the movie, but there were some WTF moments as well

what was with the dude shooting that one little kid? i dont get it...


i thought some of the parts were just downright hilarious too

my favorite part was when the dude is getting head and his device starts beeping to let him know his victim is waiting...and he pushes the woman off him haha..he's like "bitch get off me" and shoves her ass off his dick...funny shitThe bubblegum gang had to give a person for beating the girl up

[Quackzilla]

I think it's kind of sick that people will pay $9 to see an hour and a half of cruelty and torture with no plot whatsoever and enjoy it.

I thought the movie was fucked up and walked out.

(Comming from someone who enjoyed Grindhouse, that is saying something)

[Sofa King Kool]

I think it's kind of sick that people will pay $9 to see an hour and a half of cruelty and torture with no plot whatsoever and enjoy it.
Actually, I only paid $8.50 to see an hour and a half of cruelty and torture with no plot whatsoever.


Just for the record...

[Zen Davis]

I think it's kind of sick that people will pay $9 to see an hour and a half of cruelty and torture with no plot whatsoever and enjoy it.

I thought the movie was fucked up and walked out.

(Comming from someone who enjoyed Grindhouse, that is saying something)
See.

That makes you look dumb. There was like 5 minutes of actual combined violence in the film.

Paxton was like 5 seconds. Girl 01 was 3 minutes. Girl 02 was like 5 seconds of violence. Final scene was like 20 seconds. Foot scene was 1 minute. Guy in elevator was off screen.

Don't review films you haven't seen.

I think the main thing Hostel fans are probably upset about was that it wasn't violent enough, am I right D00k?

[Kirin Lemon]

See.

That makes you look dumb. There was like 5 minutes of actual combined violence in the film.

Paxton was like 5 seconds. Girl 01 was 3 minutes. Girl 02 was like 5 seconds of violence. Final scene was like 20 seconds. Foot scene was 1 minute. Guy in elevator was off screen.

Don't review films you haven't seen.

I think the main thing Hostel fans are probably upset about was that it wasn't violent enough, am I right D00k?
I think you need to learn that some people just aren't going to enjoy your beloved, hyper-violent toilet bowl of a film. Get over it.

[Sofa King Kool]

I think the main thing Hostel fans are probably upset about was that it wasn't violent enough, am I right D00k?
I was mostly upset that the movie wasn't taking itself seriously like the first one was. But yes, what little violence there was very stupid.

I was also upset that it didn't have nearly as much story as it claimed it would.

[Brak]

(Comming from someone who enjoyed Grindhouse, that is saying something)
Not really. Your opinions aren't valid.

[CoffeeEdge]

Roth was originally doing a documentary and the murder business and he was told to back off lest he be killed himself, and so he made Hostel instead.
Hahahahaha, you actually believe that shit? I've never seen anything about it myself, but if Roth said that in an interview of something, then it's obvious that he's just making up that tripe about shooting "a documentary" as a publicity stunt to get people to see his movie.

Anyways, Zen, I agree with Kirin Lemon in that you need to chill out and stop trying to convince everyone of how great this Hostel garbage is. I really hate, and am more or less disgusted by the "torture porn" movies of the last half-decade or so, and I usually like "extreme" movies (huge Grindhouse, Evil Dead, etc fan). I won't stomp anyone's right to watch or enjoy them of course, but my 2 cents basically boils down to these movies being garbage, for garbage minds.

[Zen Davis]

Hahahahaha, you actually believe that shit? I've never seen anything about it myself, but if Roth said that in an interview of something, then it's obvious that he's just making up that tripe about shooting "a documentary" as a publicity stunt to get people to see his movie.

Anyways, Zen, I agree with Kirin Lemon in that you need to chill out and stop trying to convince everyone of how great this Hostel garbage is. I really hate, and am more or less disgusted by the "torture porn" movies of the last half-decade or so, and I usually like "extreme" movies (huge Grindhouse, Evil Dead, etc fan). I won't stomp anyone's right to watch or enjoy them of course, but my 2 cents basically boils down to these movies being garbage, for garbage minds.
I'm not stomping people for not watching it. I'm stomping them for saying this was 'torture porn'.

Hostel 2 was not 'torture porn', as evidenced by D00k's post. It probably had less violence than any other R rated horror film released so far this year. On top of that, all the violence was more cliched and mundane than 'extreme'.

I will guarantee that if anyone watched Hostel 2 simply for the violence, they would walk saying that the film was extremely TAME.

That's all. The first one was extreme. Part 2 was much more watered down on the 'torture' perspective.

Scream had more violence than Hostel 2.

Regarding Roth himself, I believe he heard something about the business of killing and was told to back away. You can ignore it if you want. I choose to believe it. There are a lot of fucked up people out there.

[coolcolt]

I'm not stomping people for not watching it. I'm stomping them for saying this was 'torture porn'.

Hostel 2 was not 'torture porn', as evidenced by D00k's post. It probably had less violence than any other R rated horror film released so far this year. On top of that, all the violence was more cliched and mundane than 'extreme'.

I will guarantee that if anyone watched Hostel 2 simply for the violence, they would walk saying that the film was extremely TAME.

That's all. The first one was extreme. Part 2 was much more watered down on the 'torture' perspective.

Scream had more violence than Hostel 2.

Regarding Roth himself, I believe he heard something about the business of killing and was told to back away. You can ignore it if you want. I choose to believe it. There are a lot of fucked up people out there.


I don't think that Scream had more violence than Hostel 2.

[CoffeeEdge]

Scream had more violence than Hostel 2.

Okay, so, all screen violence is equal? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, all violence is bad, blah blah blah, but I can't imagine that you're denying that there are different degrees of screen violence.

[Zen Davis]

Okay, so, all screen violence is equal? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, all violence is bad, blah blah blah, but I can't imagine that you're denying that there are different degrees of screen violence.

I'm saying the original Scream was more fucked up than Hostel 2.

[Shmitty]

I'm not stomping people for not watching it. I'm stomping them for saying this was 'torture porn'.

Hostel 2 was not 'torture porn', as evidenced by D00k's post. It probably had less violence than any other R rated horror film released so far this year. On top of that, all the violence was more cliched and mundane than 'extreme'.

the first one was the same way. my dad has a collection of hundreds of horror films that my friends and i would delve into every weekend, so hostel seemed like it'd be our kind of thing. a few of us went to see it and could not believe all the hype it was getting. we were actually expecting "torture porn" and got "frat boy: the movie." there was hardly any gore, and what was there was generally underwhelming or absolutely stupid (the shocking reveal of that idiotic looking eye prosthetic at the end comes to mind). the film felt like it was an hour and twenty minutes of watching obnoxious morons running around, and five minutes of really tame violence. i assumed the only reason people found it shocking was because the ads told them to. if they hadn't played commercials all the time talking about the violence, no one would have paid it any attention. the second movie sounds like it plays out roughly the same, so the people getting all up in arms about the film are more than likely just bandwagon jumpers who fell for the marketing campaign and don't have a clue what they're talking about.

[swetooth9]

how much more gory can a movie get than hostel? i dont watch many horror/torture films but that stuff (hostel 1 and 2) is pretty damn sick...if there are any other scenes from other movies that are more gross than the ones in this film, which are they and in which movies? i'm just curious since i'm a horror film noob

[Zen Davis]

the second movie sounds like it plays out roughly the same, so the people getting all up in arms about the film are more than likely just bandwagon jumpers who fell for the marketing campaign and don't have a clue what they're talking about.

winner!

[Kirin Lemon]

winner!
Loser.

[Sofa King Kool]

The first Hostel was shocking because of the context in which the violence was being presented. If there was a horror movie where a monster cut off some guys hand, that wouldn't be shocking because it's just some movie monster. Hostel seemed real, because stuff like that really happens.

But what I find aggrevating is that people classify Hostel under the same catagory as they would classify shit like "See No Evil", simply because they think it's violent. Hostel wasn't that violent, it was just intense, which means people are giving it a bad rap for doing what a horror movie is supposed to do: be intense.

BTW I found a Wiki page of the killer whom the first torture scene is based off of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

[Zen Davis]

Loser.
My, my, my.

Ignorance will get you nowhere. We've pretty much told you why you're wrong and yet all you do is pretend no to hear us and go 'Nah nah nah'.

[Kirin Lemon]

My, my, my.

Ignorance will get you nowhere. We've pretty much told you why you're wrong and yet all you do is pretend no to hear us and go 'Nah nah nah'.
How have you accomplished anything? You can find any number of ways to justify your enjoyment of this retarded torture pornography for all I care, but I will continue to think you're chock-full of shit. That doesn't make me wrong at all - it just means I have an opposing viewpoint. Once again, you just need to suck it up and get over it. Not everybody is going to have the same bad taste that you do.

[Zen Davis]

How have you accomplished anything? You can find any number of ways to justify your enjoyment of this retarded torture pornography for all I care, but I will continue to think you're chock-full of shit. That doesn't make me wrong at all - it just means I have an opposing viewpoint. Once again, you just need to suck it up and get over it. Not everybody is going to have the same bad taste that you do.
I think you misunderstood bitch. I don't give a shit about what you have to say because you're obviously wrong.

Three people have come into the thread and explained to you why the violence in this film (not the original Hostel) is not as bad as you're making it out to be. If you can't comprehend that and need to cite things like, 'Well it's only my opinion', you're either as dumb as bricks, or a nagging attention whore.

Watch Switchbade Romance, Audition, Ichi the Killer, or even Visitor Q and then come back into this thread and talk. Right now, all you have is inexperience, ignorance, and the skills to nag on your side.

As for my opinion on the film, you obviously fail at reading comprehension. I said I liked the film because of the characters, not the violence. Wait! Let me make that bold for you in case your opinion didn't catch that. I liked the film because of the characters, not the violence. Hold up. Let me pick a brighter font too. I liked the film because of the characters, not the violence.

You can have the last word if you want, because you're not worth any more of my time. Yeah you have an opinion, but if it doesn't have any legitimacy, then it's worthless; which is what has happened in this case. Later.

[The Successful Dropout]

i actually liked it

[masked lemon]

I thought it sucked, and the first one was better.

The torture scenes were lame, the ending was horrible, and they really didn't need the shit with the soccer head at the end. When the little fucking kid put his shirt over his head, I stopped the movie and promptly deleted it from my hard drive.

[Quackzilla]

I agree with the people who refer to it as torture porn.

[tiredfornow]

the only part I enjoyed was the girl hanging down getting cut up and that woman bathing in her blood rubbing her funbags looking into the camera....other than that, the movie was crap.. like part 1.

[Shmitty]

Hostel wasn't that violent, it was just intense, which means people are giving it a bad rap for doing what a horror movie is supposed to do: be intense.

that was one of my problems with the first one, actually. it just seemed too sloppy to maintain any sense of dread. the wonky pacing issues and the choices they made with the characters made it hard to feel like there was ever any tension being built up. the toe scene they pimped out in the trailers comes to mind. it elicited no reaction from the theater when it finally played out, mostly because it was so poorly introduced. a completely random girl about to get her toe cut off on screen, and there was no reason to be concerned whether it even happened. then they simply imply it instead of showing it. you've got a scene with a character no one cares about not getting her toe cut off. chilling stuff. that kind of killed the mood pretty early on.

the actual main characters were just assholes, so it was hard to ever care what happened to them either. the only point in the film where i started to squirm a bit was when the only character with redeemable qualities was getting killed off, and roth even blew that scene by showing too much of what was happening. the torturer is preparing the drill and when he randomly decides to just up and go for it, my anxiety level shot through the roof. then roth shows it happening and all sense of tension deflated while i sat there thinking "man, they sure are drilling the shit out of that big piece of latex." poor practical effects, annoying characters, and a complete lack of atmosphere combined to form a terribly mediocre film. obviously thats just one mans opinion. other people seemed to enjoy it quite a bit, and i really wish i could have. it just didn't do anything for me.

to the guy asking about gorier/more fucked up movies, two words: cannibal holocaust. absolutely terrible and dated film, but some of the things they do in that movie would send the lightweights (pointing specifically at krin "i've got my thumbs in my ears, haven't seen the film, and haven't read a single post in the thread" lemon up there) complaining about how morally bankrupt hostel is into shock.

[Sc4rfac3]

i liked hostel 1 and this one. To each his own
but to me this one made the whole concept seem real.
The soccer part was funny.
to the guy asking about more gorier/ more fucked up movies nothing can touch begotten

[Sofa King Kool]

Oh, and by the way, where the hell was this scene? I was really looking forward to it:

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1164824/photo_11.jpg

[Zen Davis]

Oh, and by the way, where the hell was this scene? I was really looking forward to it:

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1164824/photo_11.jpg

Probably cut because of the MPAA, and because LG makes the majority of their money on DVD, not theaters.

[Sofa King Kool]

Probably cut because of the MPAA, and because LG makes the majority of their money on DVD, not theaters.
Damn, I might be forced to buy a DVD for it. I really hope it gets online quickly so I don't have to.