it continues: Manhunt 2 given AO rating in the U.S.

[CoffeeEdge]

I've actually emailed Rockstar about releasing the AO version on their website, as a way around the ESRB or to give those wanting the uncut version it without having to deal with the whims of retailers.
It'd have to be a PC version of the game to avoid an ESRB rating, and as of right now, there is no PC version. In other words, you didn't think your clever plan all the way through.

This is un-fucking-believable. People are still being completely retarded about the Manhunt 2 situation, and it's fucking disgusting.

[Xevious]

LOL What oh what could they have wanted cut out of the Scarface game? The super gratuitous use of the 4 and more letter words or the fact you can decapitate your enemies with one shot kills if you manually target them?

I was refering to the movie Scarface, not the game. When they first submitted the movie to the rating boards...it was slapped with an X rating.

Here is the Wikipedia account:

When the film was submitted to the MPAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA), it was rated X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_rating) for its extreme violence and graphic language. DePalma toned down the film twice, but it still received an X-rating. After the film was rejected for the third time, DePalma, with the help from a panel of experts including real narcotics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotics) officers, told the MPAA that the violence in DePalma's film was an accurate portrayal of real-life drug dealers and that the film should be released with its violence intact to show viewers how violent the drug trade was. After a vote of 18 to 2, the MPAA agreed to give the third cut of the film an R-rating. But DePalma, who felt that the differences between the two "clean" cuts he put together were insignificant, arranged to have the uncut version released to theatres with an R-rating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_%281983_film%29

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I was refering to the movie Scarface, not the game. When they first submitted the movie to the rating boards...it was slapped with an X rating.

Here is the Wikipedia account:

When the film was submitted to the MPAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA), it was rated X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_rating) for its extreme violence and graphic language. DePalma toned down the film twice, but it still received an X-rating. After the film was rejected for the third time, DePalma, with the help from a panel of experts including real narcotics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotics) officers, told the MPAA that the violence in DePalma's film was an accurate portrayal of real-life drug dealers and that the film should be released with its violence intact to show viewers how violent the drug trade was. After a vote of 18 to 2, the MPAA agreed to give the third cut of the film an R-rating. But DePalma, who felt that the differences between the two "clean" cuts he put together were insignificant, arranged to have the uncut version released to theatres with an R-rating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_%281983_film%29

Oh ok, I thought you meant the game in the post. Sorry if I misread that....

And CoffeeEdge, there have been unsupported/unauthorized games since the beginning I believe and with the rise of the net, I'm shocked that Rockstar didn't keep selling their AO San Andreas web only for the PS2/Xbox/PC.

But then again, aren't you the same slappy who wanted this game banned outright because of the same bs reason Jack Thompson always blurts out: woe is me the children will be hurt by this game not even fuckin intended for them . OPEN YOUR EYES, as the target audience for MANY games nowadays is 18-34, not 8-16.

I still say there's a way Rockstar could shirk the blackballing of this uncut version of the game by major retailers by going online with it for NOT ONLY the PC version, but ALL versions.

Time will tell though, I guess.

[Halo05]

I'll get the PS2 version once it drops to under $20 but only if I can still rip people's testicles off with pliers.

[CoffeeEdge]

And CoffeeEdge, there have been unsupported/unauthorized games since the beginning I believe and with the rise of the net, I'm shocked that Rockstar didn't keep selling their AO San Andreas web only for the PS2/Xbox/PC.
No, actually, you're a fucking ignoramus who doesn't understand the FACT that the console makers will not license AO-rated games to be made on their devkits, and without those devkits, it is effectively impossible to release a console game, in this day and age. Yes, it's possible to make unlicensed PS2 software, but it has to be done without devkits and official PS2 software and graphics libraries, and without these, it's pretty much completely impossible to make a commercial-quality game like Manhunt 2.

You're completely fucking wrong, you don't understand how it works, no, they couldn't possibly develop this game without the devkits, no, your plan is not possible, and if you even try to continue to support it for even a second more, then you are admitting to being a fucktarded ignorant stubborn jackass buffoon who doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're the fucking 15 millionth person to present the idea of "oh they could just release the AO version through online sales I know this and I researched the facts and I'm a smartey man," and you're the 15 millionth person to be completely wrong in that deduction, and this is the 15 millionth fucking time I've explained why this theory is impossible. I probably sound stark raving mad at this point, but seriously, I'm fucking sick of fucking seeing people think this idea is at all fucking possible.

You're wrong, shut up, god damn.

And to the people (Strell and Myke, probably) who are going to be their usual clever (read: unfunny) selves and point out "ZOMG coffee, you're being an insane maniac who probably hates his life, hey man get some help man I really hope that whatever is wrong in your life gets better man, have you tried going to support groups and also is your blood pressure ok?" but in case you guys are too dense to realize it by reading it, YES, I'm being hyperbolically ragey and silly in this post completely on purpose, simply for dramatic effect to drive the point home. ;)

[guinaevere]

I<snip>I said it better in three words. I'll do it again. They. Are. Capitalists. or if you prefer It. Is. Bidness.

I have no idea if they still make Sanka, but it certainly is fun to say and type.Ah. True, true.

But poptarts. You shouldn't have those for breakfast either, they're in incredibly environmentally un-friendly packagaing.

I'll get the PS2 version once it drops to under $20 but only if I can still rip people's testicles off with pliers.So... why is it gonna be on the ps2 and not the ps3?



CoffeeEdge, it's a good thing you have that little disclaimer at the last paragraph. Because I did't know what the heck the problem was, and much of your post appeared unneccesarily hostile and as far as I could see, completely without provocation or justification. Let's not pull this again, because it still sounds like you're a bitter, bitter CAG and lashing out for no good reason.




I've cleaned the thread up a bit in an attempt to get it back on track. So let's get to the important issues. Like bashing Rockstar, Manhunt 2, Sanka and Nintendo and Sony for refusing to allow AO games on their systems.

[Jon Rose]

Some one's hurting. Would you like a hug?

luv,
gwen

[io]

Dude, they still make Sanka? I haven't seen that in probably over 20sumpin years. Brings back creepy memories of sitting bored in some relation's kitchen who I didn't know while the adults spoke haltingly.


:shock:

Woman, you have peered into my deepest childhood memories and yanked out something even I didn't remember (till now). You're amazing :lol:.

[Strell]

Coffee gets to keep his midol-deficient post, but mine lampooning it gets baleeted?

That, sirs and madams, is what we call a whammy.

[mr ryles]

Coffee gets to keep his midol-deficient post, but mine lampooning it gets baleeted?

That, sirs and madams, is what we call a whammy.

and no big bucks. :cry:

[Dark Slayer120]

So... why is it gonna be on the ps2 and not the ps3?

Because it wasn't programmed for the PS3? :lol: I don't even check this thread anymore because half of it is full of an idiot on my ignore list so the whole page looks like this. This message is hidden because CoffeeEdge is on your ignore list. I swear if he hates this game so damn much then how about not posting in this topic? Hey coffee STFU! kthxbi

[mr ryles]

Lack of next gen has really killed this for me. And sorry strell, but I don't count wii as next gen. I'll wait for a $20 or lower price on the ps2 before I pick this up.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

For Gwen, from a site called FoodServiceDirect:

SANKA(by the case from $51.75, minimum of THREE though ):

http://www.foodservicedirect.com/index.cfm/S/487/CLID/52/N/1493/Sanka_Decaf_Coffee.htm

So, I guess Sanka IS still around.....

[PR Mega X]

So anyone heard of this "Manhunter" game that's coming out? I hear it has cakes and pies. And hunting men.

[CoffeeEdge]

So anyone heard of this "Manhunter" game that's coming out?
Naw dude, that was 20 years ago! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter:_New_York) ;)

[PyroGamer]

Dear God, this thread is still going on?

[whoknows]

Dear God, this thread is still going on?
Yes, yes it is.

Maybe one day, the mods will hear our cries and lock it. It serves no purpose anymore.

[guinaevere]

Coffee gets to keep his midol-deficient post, but mine lampooning it gets baleeted?

That, sirs and madams, is what we call a whammy.Coffee's post remains because if you read beyond the midol-deficient cries, there is actually information about why Manhunt 2 won't be released in an AO version through Rockstars website.

Because it wasn't programmed for the PS3? :lol:I realize that. My question is why? With a new system out, why are companies still programming for the ps2?

And before anyone bites, don't bother. I know the answer. It was a rhetorical question.

For Gwen, from a site called FoodServiceDirect:

SANKA(by the case from $51.75, minimum of THREE though ):

http://www.foodservicedirect.com/index.cfm/S/487/CLID/52/N/1493/Sanka_Decaf_Coffee.htm

So, I guess Sanka IS still around..... See, whoknows? THIS is why I've left the thread open Because I knew there'd be some important information to be gained.



Anyway. Who likes this cover? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Manhunt_2_Wii_Box_Art_FINAL.jpg)

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Personally Gwen, I thought the boxart was kind of freaky, the whole eyeball thing and such. Of course, maybe they'll end up changing the boxart like they ended up changing the game content.

But, knowing Rockstar, they may pull some stunt like leaving the edited content somewhere on the disc as a set of videos hidden and hoping that someone find them, to boost the sales like I think the 'hot coffee' did for the PS2/PC versions of San Andreas.

I think they know that even though in some peoples eyes it hurts their company, they also know fans of their games look for the hidden content and would be disappointed if they just stopped putting in little items as a nod to those who take the time to find them.

Case in point, in GTA III, there was a message behind a solid wall that said something like You shouldn't be back here' or something to that effect. You had to use a jumping cars code to 'hop' the wall and find the message. They've done something like that in virtually all of their games, it's their 'signature'.

Ah well, I'll buy it once it comes out, but I really wish the people @ the ESRB would lighten up on some of this stuff, since these games AREN'T intended for 10 year olds(unlike what Jack Thompson wants you to believe).

[CoffeeEdge]

I think the squared spiral on that eye looks really silly.


But, knowing Rockstar, they may pull some stunt like leaving the edited content somewhere on the disc as a set of videos hidden and hoping that someone find them, to boost the sales like I think the 'hot coffee' did for the PS2/PC versions of San Andreas. ARE YOU fuckING KIDDING ME. No offense to you, as I'm talking about your words here, not your person, but this is, without a doubt, the stupidest thing I have ever heard said about Manhunt 2, which is saying a LOT.

Hot Coffee ultimately cost Take-Two and Rockstar untold amounts of money (possibly in the tens of millions), forced them to enact a costly product recall of all three versions of the game, put them through several lawsuits, and has put them under more public scrutiny than they've ever been under before (I also imagine, but cannot substantiate, that there were some severe dressing-downs handed out to Rockstar employees by the higher-ups at Take-Two). It was one of the biggest, ugliest, costliest, and most public video game controversies in history, and I assure you, Rockstar was not having fun during that time.

Not to mention that Rockstar got in some seriously hot shit with the fucking FTC for violating the FTC Act, but "misrepresenting the game's content" and "attempting to undermind the industry's own rating system." And, according to Rockstar's settlement with the FTC, they MUST "clearly and prominently disclose on product packaging and in any promotion or advertisement for electronic games, content relevant to the rating," in addition to not misrepresenting any content for the rating descriptors, and lastly, they must ensure that "all game content is "considered and reviewed" when submitted to a ratings authority."

So, yeah, their FTC agreement is some serious fucking business, and there is not way in hell that they would intentionally violate it just to "pull some stunt" to amuse a certain portion of their fanbase.

Rockstar and it's parent company, Take-Two, are not this rebel organization that some people make them out to be. They're big business, and they would never, ever be willing to go through the Hot Coffee scandal again. They are never going to include rating-breaking content ever again, no matter what you think. That happened once, and the fallout was severe enough to make them want to make sure it never happens again.

How anyone could actually believe that they would intentionally replay the entire thing with Manhunt 2 is beyond me.

I think they know that even though in some peoples eyes it hurts their company, they also know fans of their games look for the hidden content and would be disappointed if they just stopped putting in little items as a nod to those who take the time to find them.

Case in point, in GTA III, there was a message behind a solid wall that said something like You shouldn't be back here' or something to that effect. You had to use a jumping cars code to 'hop' the wall and find the message. They've done something like that in virtually all of their games, it's their 'signature'.
Excuse me, but there is a huge fucking difference between slipping in a secret room or joke texture telling you that you've reached a supposedly impossible to reach area, and slipping in content that is outside of the boundaries of the game's ESRB rating.

And it's hardly "Rockstar's signature," like it's something unique to them. Most games have easter eggs, ya know.


Ah well, I'll buy it once it comes out, but I really wish the people @ the ESRB would lighten up on some of this stuff, Um, excuse me? The ESRB did their job. They saw a game with content that fell into the "AO" category, and thusly, they rated the game AO. That was the end of their involvement in the entire ordeal, until, that is, they reclassified the ever-so-slightly edited version game. You got a problem with that? Are you saying that the ESRB shouldn't rate games as they see fit? Please, explain.

[guinaevere]

I think the squared spiral on that eye looks really silly.
That eye is the reason I asked what everyone thought of the boxart. At first, I thought it was a swastika.

[CoffeeEdge]

That eye is the reason I asked what everyone thought of the boxart. At first, I thought it was a swastika.
Heh. Nazi allegations are pretty much the one thing that Rockstar hasn't been slapped with yet, so they might as well get that one out of the way at some point.

[guinaevere]

:lol: I'm sure they'll inadvertantly step in that someday as well.