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Zen Davis

06-25-2007, 11:30 AM

According to Go Nintendo in a report by Play:

- First level - You are attacked on a spaceship while meeting with the ship’s captain…action packed

- Play feels motion controls work better than dual joystick (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#)

- Super sensitive pointer in “advanced” mode

- Beam stacking ala Super Metroid

- Visor switch: Hold minus and flick Wiimote in certain directions

- Boss fight with Ridley at the end of the first level. Excellent difficulty curve by the time you reach the boss.

- Back tracking in MP3:C makes more sense than in previous Primes

- Extra development time was to give the game (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#) more polish. Nintendo wanted “Twilight Princess” levels of polish. Game is focused on Metroid fans and hardcore gamers (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#), but still accessible to newcomers due to controls.

- Second level - floating city focused on exploration

- Larger environments, bloom lighting, better textures than Prime 2

- Corruption Mode not available in demo

- Play says it could be the biggest revolution (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#) in FPS gaming (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#) since Halo.

I'm going through Metroid Prime 2 right now and even though it was overlooked by a lot of people, I am loving the experience. It's tough, intriguing, looks good, and plays very well.

Honestly, I was really underwhelmed by the first one, but Prime 2 is just fantastic. The world doesn't feel 'Nintendo-ized', where you're given the mandatory lava, snow, and sand levels. You actually feel like you're in a desolate place where everyone you meet will be dead. Honestly more people should give it a go.

Federation Grunts were kicking ass in a manner that was frankly unseemly. Don't they know that their job is to die tragically when Samus enters the room?

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lanzarlaluna

06-25-2007, 11:38 AM

I fucking hate light bloom. Metroid Prime with light bloom FTL. :( I keep trying to stay optimistic about this game, but I'm scared something will be changed that screws it up.

dallow

06-25-2007, 11:40 AM

I don't even want to rent this now that you called it a 'hardcore' game. :(

CosmosTheMouse

06-25-2007, 11:44 AM

Support hardcore games?
Whaaa?

Scrubking

06-25-2007, 11:53 AM

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I'm going to wait for a lot of reviews on this one. They haven't done a good job translating Metroid into 3D (maybe it can't be).

Mr Unoriginal

06-25-2007, 12:01 PM

Strell

06-25-2007, 12:05 PM

Zen Davis

06-25-2007, 12:12 PM

I'm shocked by these responses! Did you guys all forget how much Nintendo is pushing casual gaming on its own development studios?

Metroid Prime 3 is a game meant for hardcore players.

botticus

06-25-2007, 12:31 PM

I'm worried about having to hold up my arm for a long period of time to play the game. Sure, we did it for Zelda, but there were only certain parts that really needed accuracy. If it has looking and turning like Red Steel I doubt I could play it for long periods of time.You didn't really have to hold your arm in the air for Red Steel either, at least I didn't. Just propped my elbow on my knee as I do with every other controller.

It is rather remarkable that for one of the most highly anticipated games by seemingly everyone, no one has anything positive to say. :lol:

dallow

06-25-2007, 12:33 PM

If anything, I want MORE casual games.
I have other systems for my other game experiences.

I never got into the first two Metroid Primes.
And the DS one is super crappy.

I'LL GIVE THIS ANOTHER CHANCE THO!!!

Chacrana

06-25-2007, 12:35 PM

I was actually playing Metroid Prime 1 yesterday and that's a fuckin' great game... so I am definitely looking forward to this. Hopefully, the controls will be intuitive and won't have forced Wii-mote functionality.

Mr Unoriginal

06-25-2007, 12:36 PM

You didn't really have to hold your arm in the air for Red Steel either, at least I didn't. Just propped my elbow on my knee as I do with every other controller.

It is rather remarkable that for one of the most highly anticipated games by seemingly everyone, no one has anything positive to say. :lol:

It's one of my most anticipated but at the same time, the one I'm most worried I will be dissapointed over.

Scrubking

06-25-2007, 01:40 PM

You didn't really have to hold your arm in the air for Red Steel either, at least I didn't. Just propped my elbow on my knee as I do with every other controller.

It is rather remarkable that for one of the most highly anticipated games by seemingly everyone, no one has anything positive to say. :lol:

Actually I thought that is was common knowledge that Metroid in 3D sucked. Just the fact that the developers are changing things back to the way they were in Super Metroid is incredibly telling. The question is why the fuck did they change it in the first place?

lanzarlaluna

06-25-2007, 01:41 PM

Hopefully, the controls will be intuitive and won't have forced Wii-mote functionality. I'm hoping that the Wii remote functionality is so unforced that I can actually use a GameCube controller. :-#

Strell

06-25-2007, 01:51 PM

Actually I thought that is was common knowledge that Metroid in 3D sucked. Just the fact that the developers are changing things back to the way they were in Super Metroid is incredibly telling. The question is why the fuck did they change it in the first place?

What in the hell is this post trying to prove?

Metroid Prime was received incredibly well by lots of various groups, and the fact that Nintendo gamers accepted a 3D incarnation of one of their holy franchises is immense in a way not seen much in the gaming industry anymore. (That is, until an honest-to-god good 3D Castelvania appears on the scene, but I have little faith that will happen.) Reviewers championed MP's more "first person adventure" focus, especially given the hotly debated and controversial shift to that sort of game.

As for changing Metroid, I imagine this is a lesser of two evils "we're-going-to-get-bitched-at-anyway" sort of decision, because if they'd left everything as is without anything new, I could see you writing "well f*ck the Retro guys they can't do anything new for the series." They changed it because it was in 3D, because it was the first new Metroid in a while on a console, and because if they'd kept it without anything different, people would hate on it for being nothing but a sequel.

Roufuss

06-25-2007, 02:29 PM

I'm hoping that the Wii remote functionality is so unforced that I can actually use a GameCube controller. :-#

You haven't played Resident Evil 4 yet, have you?

If Capcom can nail wiimote functionality perfectly in a shooting game, there is no reason Nintendo can't do it either. I actually don't want to go back to playing RE 4 with a controller after using the wiimote.

Good to see Scrubking is still bringing the idiocy to threads, as well.

anomynous

06-25-2007, 02:36 PM

I want online multiplayer.........

MarioColbert

06-25-2007, 02:42 PM

Actually I thought that is was common knowledge that Metroid in 3D sucked. Just the fact that the developers are changing things back to the way they were in Super Metroid is incredibly telling. The question is why the fuck did they change it in the first place?
Scrub: You're right in that everyone thought that Nintendo could not pull it off prior to the release of Metroid Prime. To the best of my knowledge, however, the game was praised by critics and gamers alike. I have my beef with Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 2 (backtracking, anyone?) but all of them can be silenced by anyone clever enough to say "you are aware you're playing a Metroid game, right?"

Did you hate the first two that much? I found them to be superb, but did not like the fact that I could not put them down for a week or two - you get _really_ lost as to what the hell is going on after that, and I'm too busy to play all the time. :(

EDIT: Wikipedia says I'm right about the reception of Metroid Prime.
EDIT2: I don't mean that everyone has to love it, though.

After its release, the game has received much critical acclaim, including a perfect review score from Electronic Gaming Monthly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Gaming_Monthly), a 9.7 from GameSpot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameSpot) and a 9.8/10 from IGN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGN), for its "very impressive graphics,[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-21) amazing, innovative gameplay – yet still true to the classic Metroid formula –,[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-name) and excellent soundtrack.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-IGN)" Criticisms were also made, mostly for the unusual control scheme[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-22) and backtracking (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/backtrack).[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-23)
Currently on Game Rankings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Rankings), Metroid Prime stands as the third greatest game of all time and also the greatest game of the 21st century, with an average score of 96.4%.[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-24)The video game countdown show Filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_%28television%29) named Metroid Prime as having the Best Graphics of all time. It also won many 2002 Game of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_the_Year) awards from major publications and gaming sites.
The game also became one of the best-selling games on the GameCube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_computer_and_video_games#Nint endo_GameCube), with about 1.49 million copies sold in the United States alone.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-magicbox). It is also the 8th best-selling GameCube game in Australia [35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-25) and sold over 250,000 copies in Europe, thus entering the Player's Choice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player%27s_Choice) line[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-26).
Metroid Prime was also included in several lists of best games: 24th in IGN's Top 100,[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-27) 29th in a 100-game list chosen by GameFAQs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameFAQs) users,[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-28) and 10th in Nintendo Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Power)'s "Top 200 Nintendo Games Ever"[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime#_note-29).
Metroid Prime also became popular among hardcore gamers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_gamer) for speedrunning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun), with specialized communities being formed to share these speedruns (see speedrun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedrun#Metroid_series) for more information).

daroga

06-25-2007, 02:46 PM

Might I suggest "Core Games" or "Games for Gamers" for the title rather than "Hardcore games"? Too many representin' GTA thugs will think this game is for them and then go home and cry about it.

I'm looking forward to this. The controls of Metroid Prime made me never touch it again. I'm too used to playing with a normal dual analog setup; I just couldn't get a feel for anything in the game. But this, if nothing else if Nintendo shows the way (or ways) to control an FPS on the Wii, it could open the flood-gates of great FPS content on the system.

Vinny

06-25-2007, 02:46 PM

I'm hoping it handles like RE4... RE4 works wonderfully. But I guess the enemies in MP might be too fast for those types of controls.

Anyway, I'm glad this comes out BEFORE the TRU B2G1F sale. I just got a $50 TRU giftcard so I'll be picking up SPM, MP3, and something else (I'm hoping for SSB Brawl or SM Galaxy) for the Wii.

And yeah, Metroid isn't hardcore by any means. It's more like Daroga said, it's a gamer's game, something between casual and hardcore.

judyjudyjudy

06-25-2007, 02:49 PM

I'm worried about having to hold up my arm for a long period of time to play the game. Sure, we did it for Zelda, but there were only certain parts that really needed accuracy. If it has looking and turning like Red Steel I doubt I could play it for long periods of time.After playing Elebits, I'm pretty convinced that the Wiimote control scheme isn't meant for all-day-long game runs. When I was really getting into Elebits and playing for several hours successively, my wrist and hand were dying.

Scrubking

06-25-2007, 02:56 PM

Good to see Scrubking is still bringing the idiocy to threads, as well.

Oh god, forgive me for saying anything about the Holy Metroid franchise. :roll:

I think the 3D metroid games that have been made suck ass. You don't? Then good for you. The fact is I believe if you are going to make a FPS in the sea of high quality FPSs you better do a hell of a lot better than those poor excuses for a Metroid FPS we've seen.

I can already feel the NDF assembling.

shajek

06-25-2007, 02:59 PM

It seems that most of the complaints with MP 1 & 2 is that they are not true FPSs. They are First-Person-Adventures with shooting. I've played and beat both 1 and 2 and love them both. I will get MP3 on day one and will play it and nothing else until it is done.

If the controls are as smooth as RE4:Wii Edition, we are all in for a big treat. True, there are a couple of glitches in RE4, but that is a port with waggle added. But, added quite well. MP3 will have been designed for the Wiimote from the ground up. It's no port.

I played RE4 for about 5 hours yesterday and didn't have a problem getting tired. Resting your arm on your thigh works well for long stretches of gaming.

shajek

06-25-2007, 03:01 PM

Oh god, forgive me for saying anything about the Holy Metroid franchise. :roll:

I think the 3D metroid games that have been made suck ass. You don't? Then good for you. The fact is I believe if you are going to make a FPS in the sea of high quality FPSs you better do a hell of a lot better than those poor excuses for a Metroid FPS we've seen.

I can already feel the NDF assembling.

What do you consider "high quality"? Most FPSs are MOTS. Halo 2 is a cut above the rest only because of the online multiplayer. But, what else is there that is innovative, fresh and involves more than just shooting everything in your path?

panasonic

06-25-2007, 03:05 PM

i hate backtracking in metroid prime. I was never able to beat the game because some how i was able to make it to the end without a hookshot or something like that. And so i could never cross a certain part. I might rent this or pick it up for cheap.

Strell

06-25-2007, 03:05 PM

Oh god, forgive me for saying anything about the Holy Metroid franchise. :roll:

You know, before you can go around being a smartass, you have to have a point.

And since you lack one of those currently, you shouldn't be proceeding to step to with such cavalier abandon.

CoffeeEdge

06-25-2007, 03:07 PM

I'm shocked by these responses! Did you guys all forget how much Nintendo is pushing casual gaming on its own development studios?
Uh, what? Unless you count Zelda, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, Fire Emblem, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Project Hammer, Batallion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Strikers, Super Paper Mario, et cetera as casual games, I would hardly say that Nintendo is going totally casual. I mean, there's all those "gamer" titles, and on the casual side there's, what? Big Brain Academy, Wii Play, and Wii Sports? If you're trying to make a case that Nintendo is shifting to casual gamers exclusively, then, um, you're retarded.

Also:
Metroid Prime 3 is a game meant for hardcore players.
Could people please stop using this retarded term, "hardcore gamers"? It's really stupid.

Oh god, forgive me for saying anything about the Holy Metroid franchise. :roll:

I think the 3D metroid games that have been made suck ass. You don't? Then good for you. The fact is I believe if you are going to make a FPS in the sea of high quality FPSs you better do a hell of a lot better than those poor excuses for a Metroid FPS we've seen.

I can already feel the NDF assembling.
Prime isn't an FPS. It's a First-person Adventure. Major difference.

Anyways, you think Prime sucks? Good for you. But what's fucking annoying is how you come parading through here with this nonsense about how "oh, I thought everyone hated prime," when, if you were paying any attention at ALL, they were two of the absolute best-received games on the last generation, and by some accounts, THE best.

Roufuss

06-25-2007, 03:12 PM

Anyways, you think Prime sucks? Good for you. But what's fucking annoying is how you come parading through here with this nonsense about how "oh, I thought everyone hated prime," when, if you were paying any attention at ALL, they were two of the absolute best-received games on the last generation, and by some accounts, THE best.

This is the point that I and Strell tried to make as well which Scrubby (his name really fits his character, ya know?) just kind of glossed over. I like how he came in and said "blah blah everyone thought 3D Prime sucked blah blah" and then when someone calls him on it, he instantly turns around and starts trying to play the victim.

Good show!

Good for you for not liking them, but don't make it seem like a fact that they are hated games, because they aren't. I think Halo sucks, but I'm not naive / stupid enough to think that everyone hates them, and I'm sure as hell not going to go to a Halo 3 thread and go "LAWL I'm glad they are making changes cause it's common knowledge Halo sucks".

Vinny

06-25-2007, 03:18 PM

whoknows

06-25-2007, 03:22 PM

Could people please stop using this retarded term, "hardcore gamers"? It's really stupid.
This is one thing I agree with you on. I swear, I know people who call themselves "hardcore gamers" because they play a game like Katamari that is apparently unknown to anyone and no one else has ever played it.

Scrubking

06-25-2007, 03:27 PM

Haha... I had to go back and read some of the earlier posts to know what you guys are arguing about.

Where did you get the idea that the general consensus on MP was that it 'sucked'? I know a few people who don't like it in 3D but I'd say that it's more like 1 in every 20 people.:-k

And what do you mean they're changing things back to how they were in Super Metroid? I honestly though the Prime/Prime 2 were basically Super Metroid in 3D (with a whole new setting, weapons, and stuff).

Everything I've heard about those games that didn't come from Nfans, was that they were average to mediocre, and that the 3D aspect was poorly done and didn't fit the adventure genre that Metroid was.

After I played about 10 minutes of the first one I threw up at the horrible controls.

As far as changing things back, that's what the magazine says, Like beam stacking and other stuff.

jollydwarf

06-25-2007, 03:36 PM

They haven't done a good job translating Metroid into 3D (maybe it can't be).

In my best 'comically incredulous Conan O'Brien' imitation..."UHH-HUNHH?!?!"

I'm 98% certain to get this game within a week of its release. The only thing--and I mean the ONLY THING--that could stop me is the remote (buh-dum!) chance that the controls are imprecise enough as to make the game an exercise in perpetual frustration. I don't care about online, I don't care about any sort of multiplayer, and I really don't care about the trendily-loathed "bloom lighting". I just want this game to be worthy of favorable comparison to the previous two entries, at worst. It's one of the two or three reasons I preordered the console.

Roufuss

06-25-2007, 03:37 PM

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/cube/metroidprime?q=metroid%20prime

I guess every single review on there must be from an Nfan.

I guess every single reviewer was Nintendo biased. What a shocking discovery!!

Game Informer is one of the biggest Nintendo haters out there and they even gave Prime a 95.

Only two review's out of every single review on metacritic gave the game lower than a 90, and that was an 80 and an 83. I don't put much stock in reviewers but when 68 out of 70 reviewers give a game a 90 or above, to say "I thought it was common knowledge that Prime games sucked" is pretty naive or just flat out wrong. Apparently, it's common knowledge the game is awesome, actually. Ha, and one of those reviewers who gave it an 83 was Entertainment Weekly, so you can put about as much stock in that review as one in Maxim.

But I guess I learned today that apparently the entire gaming industry is skewed towards Nintendo.

Strell

06-25-2007, 03:37 PM

*looks at post immediately above Roufuss's*

What the fu<k is going on in this thread....

*looks at hands and thinks*

whoknows

06-25-2007, 03:39 PM

*looks at post immediately above Roufuss's*

What the fu<k is going on in this thread....

*looks at hands and thinks*
Well, you see it's all about the circle of life and how in the jungle, the lion sleeps tonight.

Point being, don't go to the jungle the night the lion is sleeps there.

Strell

06-25-2007, 03:42 PM

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jollydwarf

06-25-2007, 03:43 PM

What? What'd I do?

It's more complicated than you think, that Wii and me.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that much of what I rail against is the mentality of many to go entirely too far and, per usual, misinterpret the situation. Sure, the Wii's library is minigame-heavy and it's drawing in people that would never read a gaming message board, let alone post on one, but that DOESN'T mean that 'complete' and 'fleshed-out' games are NOT what this console can offer. It is NOT the duty of anyone to go around and brand games like this as the very arbitrarily-defined "hardcore", like it's some sort of fucking "Scarlet Letter". While it probably won't be perfectly balanced, why can't this system have it all?? And why would so many of its loyalists not want just that??

As Moe would utter, "Good...God!"

GizmoGC

06-25-2007, 03:46 PM

I still have never played either Metroid Primes on Gamecube...someday, lol.

lanzarlaluna

06-25-2007, 04:08 PM

You haven't played Resident Evil 4 yet, have you? I have not. Glad to hear that someone has managed to implement aiming well. This makes me feel better. MP 1 and 2 are two of my favorite games of all time, so I can't help but feel nervous about 3 and the new control scheme. I'm trying to maintain faith; Retro is a great developer.

dmaul1114

06-25-2007, 04:23 PM

I'm looking forward to this. Super Metroid is probably still my all time favorite game, and I loved the first Metroid Prime on the GC. I didn't care for the second one two much as I hated the dark world (double the back tracking and running from light to light annoyed the shit out of me), but that doesn't look to be part of the 3rd game.

pygmy carnotaur

06-25-2007, 04:23 PM

For what it's worth, Metroid Prime is my choice for the best GC game. Prime 2 was good too, but the whole "dark world" thing annoyed me a little too much to replay it. The first MP is pretty much a perfect Metroid game, I could(and have) replay that one again many times and not be bored.

prisonerac

06-25-2007, 04:40 PM

Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were fun, but they never felt perfect to me. I hope that by being able to aim freely on the fly and more logical back tracking will make the game a blast to play through.

As for multiplayer, it is cool if it is there, but I view the games as a single player experience and hope they really did spend there time tweaking the game. (IE: not adding on tacked-on-multiplayer)

I am suprised how little we know about this game given that it comes out in 2 months. It is crazy when you think about most companies and their PR machine. I mean by now we should know at least the first 3 levels, just by videos alone. I wonder if that is a good thing or a bad thing?

seanr1221

06-25-2007, 04:41 PM

Why does every thread in the Wii forum tell me to support something?

Anyways, day 1 purchase for me. I'm so excited, I may even jump from behind my couch to shoot space pirates like the man in the promo video.

prisonerac

06-25-2007, 04:42 PM

Because the wii needs support look at the dwindling sales numbers. We live in a niche market. j/k

botticus

06-25-2007, 04:49 PM

Why does every thread in the Wii forum tell me to support something?
We're sheep.

Zen Davis

06-25-2007, 05:53 PM

I personally don't think that this game will be like the first two. I expect more action than exploration and more of a story to create a central cast of chracters in the Metroid Universe.

First level - You are attacked on a spaceship while meeting with the ship’s captain…action packed

- Play feels motion controls work better than dual joystick (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#)

- Super sensitive pointer in “advanced” mode

- Beam stacking ala Super Metroid

- Visor switch: Hold minus and flick Wiimote in certain directions

- Boss fight with Ridley at the end of the first level. Excellent difficulty curve by the time you reach the boss.

- Back tracking in MP3:C makes more sense than in previous Primes

- Extra development time was to give the game (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#) more polish. Nintendo wanted “Twilight Princess” levels of polish. Game is focused on Metroid fans and hardcore gamers (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#), but still accessible to newcomers due to controls.

- Second level - floating city focused on exploration

- Larger environments, bloom lighting, better textures than Prime 2

- Corruption Mode not available in demo

- Play says it could be the biggest revolution (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#) in FPS gaming (http://gonintendo.com/?p=20137#) since Halo.

Roufuss

06-25-2007, 06:09 PM

Yay for unmarked spoilers! Oh well... kind of sick of magazine's putting spoilers in the article. Game Informer just did it now too in their RE 4 review in the newest ish.

The Crotch

06-25-2007, 09:06 PM

This thread makes me very sad. I can accept Scrubking's "I am from an alternate universe where everything I say is true" bit, but the whole "bloom lighting will fuck up the game" post earlier on makes my mighty heart mightily disheartened.

lanzarlaluna

06-25-2007, 10:32 PM

but the whole "bloom lighting will fuck up the game" post earlier on makes my mighty heart mightily disheartened. OK, I take it back. I am now overwhelmingly confident that this game will own in every respect. :D\\:D/:grouphug::bouncy:

KingBroly

06-25-2007, 10:36 PM

I'm loving the pics of Samus' suit.

wjhard63

06-25-2007, 11:08 PM

I'm biased. I own every single Metroid game (pinball, MP2 Echoes demo, and hunters-demo included) and got Super Metroid on it's release date (paid $60 for it at Electronics Boutique - too much, but at least I still have the receipt somewhere for memories of price-gouging). I'm a huge Metroid fan, so much so that I'm taking off August 20 so I can play in peace while my wife has to bring home the bacon by herself that day.

Metroid Prime scared me on my first play, so much so that I played Fusion to completion thinking Prime changed the formula/gameplay too much for me. After taking a month off after picking up/playing Prime on the release date only, I started playing again and after an hour was immersed in the game - MP's concept of a first-person adventure seemed new to me - and didn't want it to end (even the back-tracking was fun for me, so I guess I'm in the minority here). After completing it, I moved onto games in my backlog and didn't pick it up again unless to listen to the music on the title screen sometimes.

After picking up Prime 2, day one, I beat it in 2 weeks (a record for me) and then played it again on Hard in a 100% run. After that, I went back to the original Prime and beat that on a 100% run on Hard as well. Those 2 games were my favorite 2 games of last generation.

I have complete faith in Retro with the third installment. Sure they could disappoint with MP3 and I know there's a population that will be disappointed -no game can ever please everyone. But when others we're screaming Kidtendo in the GameCube era, the Metroid Primes were the reason I stayed with the console when my friends were all playing Halo 2 the day it came out.

Looking forward to gameplay movies from E3 in two weeks or so.

PhoenixT

06-26-2007, 09:58 AM

Man I hope I can play this one better than the orginal metroid prime. I was having a blast with it till you ran into that one space pirate near the end that you had to blow off like 5+ pieces of armor then switch visors till you could see him regenning and shoot him with rockets while two other pirates attacked you. At that point I was like this craps getting ridiculous and put it away never to be played again. I didn't even touch the second one for fear of more of the same.

To me bosses should be tough but not involve "that" much crap in order to do damage to them. I don't remember a metroid game to date that I had played before that one that required that much effort to simply get the "opportunity" to damage a boss. I dunno it could be I just stick at the new style of metroid even though I beat the DS version *shrugs*.

dmaul1114

06-26-2007, 11:09 AM

Agreed about the bosses. Definitely became over difficult in the MP series IMO. I got through the first game, but as noted I never finished the second.

Hating the Dark World crap was the main reasons I quit (16 hours in, at the spider ball guardian), but struggling with the bosses contributed to it as it definitely sucked some of the fun out of the game for me.

Zen Davis

06-26-2007, 01:11 PM

The bosses are always hard the first go round. By the fifth time, once you figured out what you were doing, they became extremely easy. The only two that gave me issue were Ridley and the final boss.

CrimsonPaw

06-26-2007, 01:19 PM

I'm looking forward to this one and will probably get it day 1. I played through almost the entire 1st Prime. In fact I beat Prime but gave up when you had to use that whack phazon move while having to switch visors.

Prime 2 I played for about 30 minutes and remembered how I hated the end of 1 so I never went back (though I'm thinking I should). I'm interested to see if they add any more Wii-uniqueness to the game aside form the aiming and door opening.

javeryh

06-26-2007, 01:28 PM

I hope this game is better than Metroid Prime 2. I LOVED the first game (it's on the short list of my favorite games of all time - top 5 for sure) but the second one was a little disappointing and I still can't put my finger on it. Maybe it was too similar to MP1? I don't know - I definitely liked it but I'd give it a B+ instead of the A+++++ (that's right - 5 plusses) that I'd give the original. What really disappoints me is thinking how great a game like this could be with Gears of War type graphics...

jollydwarf

06-26-2007, 02:32 PM

I think it has a lot to do with the utterly bleak color palette Echoes used*, the tedium of dimension-flipping, and the difficulty of the bosses. Plus, it hit, what, a year after Metroid Prime and there's no way it could've captured that level of "My God, they got it RIGHT!!" exhilaration, could they?

EDIT: Okay, so they hit two years apart, but my point about the excitement diminishing severly remains.

*--No, really, I found myself getting depressed more than anything while playing it. The sand colors and the blacks and deep purples just wore on me after only a couple hours in.

help1

06-26-2007, 02:40 PM

I want online multiplayer.........

No, no you do not.

help1

06-26-2007, 02:43 PM

Prime isn't an FPS. It's a First-person Adventure. Major difference.

Then how is it going to "revolutionize FPS GAMING" like Halo did?

Roufuss

06-26-2007, 02:43 PM

Wow, what's weird is I only got halfway through Prime for whatever reason, but completely finished Prime 2 and thought it was a blast.

Vinny

06-26-2007, 03:40 PM

Wow, what's weird is I only got halfway through Prime for whatever reason, but completely finished Prime 2 and thought it was a blast.

Then go beat it. Now. Prime > Prime 2.;)

MarioColbert

06-26-2007, 03:45 PM

Prime > Prime 2.[citation needed]

I fixed it for you. ;)

(I kid, I kid...)

The Crotch

06-26-2007, 03:46 PM

Disagree on the bosses. The harder, the better. Granted, I'd rather they be hard because there's some crazy puzzle involved or large degree of skill needed to beat them than they simply be able to give out and take shit-tons of damage (Boost Ball, anyone?).

As for Echoes: good, but hugely disappointing. Made no real improvements over Prime aside from the Morph Ball puzzles and Screw Attack. Pretty much everything else - weapons, story, etc. - was worse. I guess the game looked a little prettier, but that was damn hard to notice.

dmaul1114

06-26-2007, 04:27 PM

I can see that. I just personally have always hated hard bosses, and hard games in general.

Just don't have the patience to do them over and over, learn the patterns etc. I prefer bosses to be like the recent Zelda games where there may be a bit of a puzzle to figure out, but actually doing it is generally easy once you figure it out.

In the Prime games it takes a while to figure out what to do, and then even longer to be able to do it without dying. Being easier on second time through etc. is moot for me as I pretty much never replay games. Would rather move on to something else in my backlog.

Zen Davis

06-26-2007, 04:45 PM

dallow

06-26-2007, 05:01 PM

I like my games a bit difficult.
Zelda's bosses are much too easy.

If I can't beat a game, I consider it my problem.

Zen Davis

06-26-2007, 05:23 PM

I like my games a bit difficult.
Zelda's bosses are much too easy.

If I can't beat a game, I consider it my problem.

Tell 'um old man!

MarioColbert

06-26-2007, 05:35 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that out of the three, Metroid Prime 1 is the only one that doesn't have a prime number next to it?

[/nerd]

javeryh

06-26-2007, 05:50 PM

I like my games a bit difficult.
Zelda's bosses are much too easy.

If I can't beat a game, I consider it my problem.

Word. Nothing beats getting past a really hard boss after the 4th or 5th (or 49th or 50th) try. I'm usually like"take that biatch" and then I fling the controller in triumph.

help1

06-26-2007, 06:07 PM

I like my games a bit difficult.
Zelda's bosses are much too easy.

If I can't beat a game, I consider it my problem.

What if a game is broken?

The Crotch

06-26-2007, 06:09 PM

Then it probably isn't Metroid.

Vinny

06-26-2007, 07:42 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that out of the three, Metroid Prime 1 is the only one that doesn't have a prime number next to it?

[/nerd]

:rofl:

Zen Davis

06-26-2007, 08:52 PM

http://i14.tinypic.com/61kl2cm.jpg

The entire article is on page 01.
(http://clicktorrent.info/phpAdsNew/adlog.php?bannerid=4427&clientid=1489&zoneid=642&source=&block=0&capping=0&cb=1a36a8a17d1c924c21721d127945ee05)

Roufuss

06-26-2007, 09:53 PM

Wow... using the word "sucks" is pretty unprofessional.

What magazine is that, anyways? Poor writing style all around. If that's Play, I'm glad I read the synopsis you provided ;)

help1

06-26-2007, 10:09 PM

You posted these already.

dmaul1114

06-27-2007, 12:16 AM

I like my games a bit difficult.
Zelda's bosses are much too easy.

If I can't beat a game, I consider it my problem.

I used to, but I'm so busy these days I just don't have the patience for overly hard games.

If MP3 has an easy setting, I'll have no shame in using it.

Strell

06-27-2007, 12:36 AM

Wow... using the word "sucks" is pretty unprofessional.

What magazine is that, anyways? Poor writing style all around. If that's Play, I'm glad I read the synopsis you provided ;)

Yeah, it's Play. As you pointed out, you can tell by the atrocious writing.

Cyb3-rr

06-27-2007, 04:48 PM

What's wrong with using colloquialism's in a gaming article? It makes it sound more laid back and casual, instead of being strickly professional and 'facts only'.

FallMoon

06-27-2007, 10:53 PM

No results found for strickly.

Did you mean strickle (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=strickle) (in dictionary) or Strickle (http://dictionary.reference.com/go/http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Strickle) (in encyclopedia)?

CrimsonPaw

06-28-2007, 06:28 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that out of the three, Metroid Prime 1 is the only one that doesn't have a prime number next to it?

[/nerd]
So will they stop at 3 or jump over 4 and go directly to 5?

One of my biggest bitches about the Metroid series in general is that Samus, as bad-ass a bounty hunter as she is, consistantly looses her gear and has to go retrieve it. At what point does she say "fuck it, I quit"? I mean, don't they have insurance for stolen merchandise or have extra equipment at the home-base?

seanr1221

06-28-2007, 06:32 PM

This game is just the start of me possibly playing Wii more then any other system (combine with Mario and Smash Bros)

MarioColbert

06-28-2007, 06:32 PM

So will they stop at 3 or jump over 4 and go directly to 5?

I don't see why not. In the industry, they call that "pulling a Laffer." Har har, motherfuckers.

Strell

06-28-2007, 06:32 PM

One of my biggest bitches about the Metroid series in general is that Samus, as bad-ass a bounty hunter as she is, consistantly looses her gear and has to go retrieve it. At what point does she say "fuck it, I quit"? I mean, don't they have insurance for stolen merchandise or have extra equipment at the home-base?

I don't know how it is handled in MP2, but in the first one she got blasted full force by the monster in the research station.

In Metroid Fusion, her suit got infected, so it had to be removed.

That all said, she and Megaman should hook up. I'm sure he's sick of the same thing.

The Crotch

06-28-2007, 06:36 PM

She didn't get hit by the Queen - just took a nasty shock from the malfunctioning EXPLODING space station.

In Echoes, her stuff was ripped up by the Ing, though she kept more of it than in Prime.

Roufuss

06-28-2007, 06:44 PM

So will they stop at 3 or jump over 4 and go directly to 5?

One of my biggest bitches about the Metroid series in general is that Samus, as bad-ass a bounty hunter as she is, consistantly looses her gear and has to go retrieve it. At what point does she say "fuck it, I quit"? I mean, don't they have insurance for stolen merchandise or have extra equipment at the home-base?

I think it was Fusion that did an excellent job actually justifying her losing all her shit.

Wow, I'm super fucking late to the party.

dallow

06-28-2007, 06:55 PM

BOXART:

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/800/800386/metroid-prime-3-corruption-20070628014622365.jpg

JohnnyDrama

06-28-2007, 07:27 PM

This game is just the start of me possibly playing Wii more then any other system (combine with Mario and Smash Bros)
same here, MP3 is a definite pick up for me

Zen Davis

06-29-2007, 12:02 AM

http://media.ign.com/thumb/203/2035594/metroid-prime-3-corruption-20070628014622365_thumb.jpg (http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748547/img_4662682.html)
June 28, 2007

seanr1221

06-29-2007, 12:11 AM

http://media.ign.com/thumb/203/2035594/metroid-prime-3-corruption-20070628014622365_thumb.jpg (http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748547/img_4662682.html)
June 28, 2007

:drool:

thegamer4787

06-29-2007, 12:12 AM

My potential purchase of a Wii will definitely be influenced by how well this game and Super Smash Brothers: Brawl turn out. I for one am definitely looking forward to this game as I loved Prime, its sequel, and the DS game. Seeing as Retro is still at the reigns, I think that this game will turn out well.

Dante Devil

06-29-2007, 12:18 AM

I thoroughly enjoyed Metroid Prime. It was different, but I wasn't tempted to pick up again and go through the game another time. I didn't even want to try Metroid Echoes (sequel) because it seemed like the original Prime.

I am looking forward to another game for my Wii other than my copies of Zelda: TP, Wii Sports, and RE4.

CouRageouS

06-29-2007, 09:29 AM

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/06/metroid_vs_sonic.jpg
I still like the cover art.. but it just lost a couple cool points for identity theft.

BREVITY

06-29-2007, 09:46 AM

I hated MP2 and I wasnt going to get this one because of the tired old you get to some place lose every item you always have and have to get them back game type. But after seeing all the vids and previews, hell I might just be drawn back in. Geez!

RollingSkull

06-29-2007, 09:50 AM

Yeah, I stopped playing Zelda because of the tired old "Go to eight dungeons and collect thingies to do stuff" too. *Rolls eyes*

dmaul1114

06-29-2007, 10:08 AM

Really. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

That said, MP2 put me off on the series as well, but not because it stuck to the Metroid formula.

As noted I loathed the dark world concept and though the bosses were way too hard.

MarioColbert

06-29-2007, 10:39 AM

I can not stand that cover. It looks like it was put together by a Photoshop enthusiast. Not the first time, either: I think that Super Smash Bros. Melee and Pikmin games have some of the worst video game covers ever. Eternal Darkness looks like they just stopped trying after figuring out how good the game is and how it's obviously not going to sell too well. I guess the better the game the less they care about how good or bad the cover is.

(Actually, I hated ECHOES cover, too - it looks messy. I like the cover for Metroid Prime, except mine has a dumbass TARGET logo on it, 'cuz it came with a coupon book and at a massive employee discount (massive like a shi-tzu) that was courtesy of a friend.)

Cyb3-rr

06-29-2007, 12:54 PM

I don't see why not. In the industry, they call that "pulling a Laffer." Har har, motherfuckers.

As in Larry Laffer and the missing disks?

BJWanlund

06-29-2007, 02:05 PM

As in Larry Laffer and the missing disks?
It's more or less the fact that there was never a LSL 4.

BJ

Staind204

06-29-2007, 02:08 PM

I need to go play through Metroid Prime 2 before this comes out. The Wii is going to be awesome soon with Strikers, This, and Smash Brothers coming out each of the next 3 months (I think?). Also will this game have online?

The Crotch

06-29-2007, 02:18 PM

God damn, that is some bad cover art. Has it been confirmed that's what it looks like?

Edit: Smash Bros. has no firm release date, but is expected by this Christmas at the earliest. It is unknown what if any online support Corruption will have. Strikers is confirmed online, and there is a 99% chance Smash Brothers will be as well.

Strell

06-29-2007, 03:01 PM

It is unknown what if any online support Corruption will have.

Don't get your hopes up for online Corruption. The chances of it happening are almost 0% I assure you. We've never heard there will be online except for the speculations drawn by the rabid game journalism crowd who - with little to no evidence - threw out the now infamous "hey it was a launch game and now it is delayed, I WONDER IF THERE BE ONLINE?" Reggie sort of added to the rumor with a very "no comment/it's up to Retro" sort of answer a few months ago, but outside of that, nothing else points to line.

Which is like saying almost nothing tells us there is online. Or rather, everything points to us not having online.

The point I am trying to make is that MP3 will not be online. And if it is, I owe someone something. Like myself a nice steak. Yes. If there is online in MP3 I'll cook myself a giant steak. That seems fair.

Only way it would happen is either a large download component later on, or a completely separate game from Retro posed to deliver online. And even then it might not be a Metroid title.

The Crotch

06-29-2007, 03:03 PM

I have said many times in the past, Retro was considering online, but "not in the way you might expect". So don't count on any... ugh... deathmatches...

Strell

06-29-2007, 03:07 PM

Aye. "Not in the way you'd expect."

I'll put my balls out there and say offline only certainly is a way I'd not expect online to be done.

Unless they find some badass way where you are given a giant planet with two players at different starting locations, and given missions in either coop or competitive modes, and making the planets massive such that a game could potentially last a few hours, but still retain the whole isolation aspect of Metroid...

Well if that happened I guess I'd have to cook myself two steaks.

Edit: Whoa, can't believe I left a "not" out up there. That changes the whole sentence!

jollydwarf

06-29-2007, 03:14 PM

Random insertion of others' Mii (plural form, I think) into the planetscape for scanning?

I wonder if the gameplay and statistics compiled will have something to lend themselves to leaderboards.

Plinko

06-29-2007, 03:25 PM

I could care less about the online stuff--just give me a solid, lengthy, Metroid-y single-player adventure and I'm a happy man.

jollydwarf

06-29-2007, 04:46 PM

I hate to break it to you man, but after the first level, you retrieve your powers through alliteration-and-groaner-heavy gesture-based minigames like "Samba de Samus" and "Samus Says". But hey, Granny will love it!

Like I said, it's complicated with me and the Wii.

MarioColbert

06-29-2007, 05:23 PM

As in Larry Laffer and the missing disks?
"The Case of Missing Floppies" according to the box of Ultimate Pleasure Pack, yeah. It's the only game I could think of that didn't have 4 but did have 5. This "joke" is so painfully dorky that even I have to kinda pull back and say "damn, this is some nerdy shit." From prime numbers to 1980's video game references. It's okay, if I wanted to be "cool" I'd probably own a PS3 by now.

I hate to break it to you man, but after the first level, you retrieve your powers through alliteration-and-groaner-heavy gesture-based minigames like "Samba de Samus" and "Samus Says". But hey, Granny will love it!

Like I said, it's complicated with me and the Wii.

Doesn't sound very complicated.

Zen Davis

06-29-2007, 05:29 PM

Like I said, it's complicated with me and the Wii.

You just have penis envy.

pete5883

06-29-2007, 11:09 PM

This game is just the start of me possibly playing Wii more then any other system (combine with Mario and Smash Bros)
You're going to have less than 3 games for your other systems?

-Never4ever-

06-30-2007, 02:00 AM

Wow. 5 posts of whining.

I don't have enough cheese in my cavernous reserves for the lot of you.

I shall get this first day, for I have waited my entire life for an FPS wherein the control shall be like a lightgun, my steady aim at the ready, endeavored to take out dreaded space pirates with little remorse.

So I'm in.

(Don't take this too seriously. ... Jerks.)

Seriously, WTF. I didn't know so many people could dislike something as awesome as the Metroid Prime series.

Day 1 purchase here, provided I can somehow finish MPII before hand.

maigoyume

06-30-2007, 12:32 PM

this is one of my most anticipated titles this year, aside from brawl of course, metroid prime was the game that hooked me into the series, zero mission and fusion were the line and sinker

jollydwarf

06-30-2007, 01:39 PM

Doesn't sound very complicated.

Of course you conveniently never mention the good things I have to say, many of them in this very thread. You instead make a point to announce that you take offense to a joke that's beyond absurd.

I can't fuckin' take Nintendo fanboys, I can't fuckin' take 'em, and I can't fuckin' take 'em. They/you are seriously militant enough to make terrorist cells reel a little. Good riddance. Oh...and you're a disservice to both halves of your user name here. My reading here now gets a little lighter.

P.S. Feel free to get the last word in here, (censored), but I won't be seeing it.

daroga

06-30-2007, 02:38 PM

Does the proclimation, verbose or otherwise, of putting someone on your ignore list make people feel big? Just seems odd to me. And its something I see happen on here a lot.

seanr1221

06-30-2007, 02:56 PM

You're going to have less than 3 games for your other systems?

No but those 3 are better then anything the other systems will have (IMO)

But then again, you're talking to a huge nintendo franchise nerd here.

The Crotch

06-30-2007, 04:52 PM

Does the proclimation, verbose or otherwise, of putting someone on your ignore list make people feel big? Just seems odd to me. And its something I see happen on here a lot.I for one would like to be told if someone added me to their ignore list.

Also, JollyDwarf: Put the fucking cross away.
Edit: This is the part where you make a big deal about ignoring me.

RollingSkull

06-30-2007, 06:14 PM

botticus

07-02-2007, 09:20 AM

Looks like Prime got booted back a week, unless its a typo in the Phantom Hourglass PR:

The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass follows hot on the heels of another classic Nintendo franchise with amazing new controls. Metroid® Prime 3: Corruption, the third installment of the hit trilogy, launches with motion-sensitive controls exclusively on Wii™ on Aug. 27. For more information about these games, visit www.Nintendo.com (http://www.nintendo.com/).

maigoyume

07-02-2007, 12:22 PM

blast it all, how you tease me retro studies :cry:

dallow

07-02-2007, 01:17 PM

I'll just go ahead and say it.

I'm not even going to rent this game.

CouRageouS

07-02-2007, 01:42 PM

I have a feeling a week delay on MP3 isn't the only delay we'll have this year. Oh well, gives everyone an extra week to enjoy Mario Strikers, which is VERY fun.

MarioColbert

07-02-2007, 02:06 PM

Can anyone point out what was so offensive about what I said? I just didn't think that his joke was too complicated.

I am a Nintendo fanboy, though, that much I'll wholeheartedly agree with. I prefer not to troll the PS3 and the 360 forums, because I know fuck all about those systems, and have nothing good nor bad to say about them, apart from *yawn* the good old price argument.

Cyb3-rr

07-02-2007, 02:08 PM

I'll just go ahead and say it.

I'm not even going to rent this game.

Why would you post in this thread if you have no interest in playing the game? You don't even explain why you're not going to play it, so it's hard to find any purpose to your post.

Zen Davis

07-02-2007, 02:10 PM

I'll just go ahead and say it.

I'm not even going to rent this game.

What was the point of going ahead and saying it? If you have no interest in the game, then just don't post in the thread man.

dallow

07-02-2007, 02:37 PM

Because I was posting originally trying to get some interest in it.
Didn't quite work out.

The Crotch

07-02-2007, 02:54 PM

Corvin

07-02-2007, 03:03 PM

I have a feeling a week delay on MP3 isn't the only delay we'll have this year. Oh well, gives everyone an extra week to enjoy Mario Strikers, which is VERY fun.

Actually will give everyone one week to devour Bioshock first. :)

MarioColbert

07-02-2007, 03:22 PM

It's Jollydwarf. Buddy beat out fundamentalist Christianity for "Biggest Persecution Complex '03-'04".
Ouch. Shit, The Crotch, I don't even wanna get on your fucking bad side. I'll let Strell enlighten us what "the bad side of the crotch" would be, since I'm certain he threatened to do awful things to mine.

trq

07-02-2007, 03:29 PM

Actually will give everyone one week to devour Bioshock first. :)

That's what I thought, too. Between Bioshock, MP3, and Halo 3, it's going to be a very FPS-centric month for me.

07-02-2007, 10:29 PM

And for those of us not interested in Bioshock there is Blue Dragon (which is now the very same day as MP3) in August as well ;).

seanr1221

07-02-2007, 10:31 PM

Don't forget another week with Lair too ;)

trq

07-02-2007, 11:33 PM

And for those of us not interested in Bioshock there is Blue Dragon (which is now the very same day as MP3) in August as well ;).

Whu ... ? Huh ... ? Not ... interested ... in ... Bioshock? Does not compute. What are you a communist or something? I bet you drink Pepsi over Coke, too.

lanzarlaluna

07-03-2007, 12:38 AM

Whu ... ? Huh ... ? Not ... interested ... in ... Bioshock? Does not compute. What are you a communist or something? I bet you drink Pepsi over Coke, too. Pepsi is delicious... Hey, the one week delay puts the release just after my first exam in the fall, instead of just before. Yesssssssssssss.

Monsta Mack

07-03-2007, 12:47 AM

Theres just too many good games coming out this Fall/Winter, and Metroid, Blue Dragon and Bioshock doesn't help the situation either especially coming out in August. Then of course Halo 3 and the new Phoenix Wright start off September lovely, and I gota grab my dose of hockey every year.

So theres not going to be online at all?

07-03-2007, 01:41 AM

Whu ... ? Huh ... ? Not ... interested ... in ... Bioshock? Does not compute. What are you a communist or something? I bet you drink Pepsi over Coke, too.

Get ready for this...

No interest in Halo either ;).

And I'm addicted to Coke (if only you could see my Coke Rewards points balance :lol:), so there goes that theory.

Meh, I watched the videos for Bioshock and was mildly interested, but definitely not $60 interested. I'll pick it up in a year or so when I can get it for $20 or less. I'm also only mildly interested in Mass Effect but I may get that upon release if it gets stellar reviews. The only 360 games this year I am getting for SURE on release are Blue Dragon and Beautiful Katamari. Contrast that to the Wii where I'm getting Strikers, Metroid, SSBB, Mario Galaxy for sure, and probably Batallion Wars and a few others if they turn out good.

Foolman

07-03-2007, 01:46 AM

And for those of us not interested in Bioshock there is Blue Dragon (which is now the very same day as MP3) in August as well ;).
Oh man, forgot Blue Dragon was releasing that day. Well, I'll hold off on MP3 then.

07-03-2007, 01:53 AM

Oh man, forgot Blue Dragon was releasing that day. Well, I'll hold off on MP3 then.

I'm definitely getting both. They'll be a nice compliment to each other - one a first-person shooting/adventure game, the other a turn-based JRPG. I think I can play them concurrently ;).

trq

07-03-2007, 02:04 AM

Get ready for this...

No interest in Halo either ;).

And I'm addicted to Coke (if only you could see my Coke Rewards points balance :lol:), so there goes that theory.

Meh, I watched the videos for Bioshock and was mildly interested, but definitely not $60 interested. I'll pick it up in a year or so when I can get it for $20 or less. I'm also only mildly interested in Mass Effect but I may get that upon release if it gets stellar reviews. The only 360 games this year I am getting for SURE on release are Blue Dragon and Beautiful Katamari. Contrast that to the Wii where I'm getting Strikers, Metroid, SSBB, Mario Galaxy for sure, and probably Batallion Wars and a few others if they turn out good.

You know, weirdly, I can understand Halo not being some folk's cup of tea. Maybe you're used to PC shooters, or you can't stand all the twelve year olds, or 3 doesn't seem like that much of a departure from 2 or whatever. That I get. But Bioshock ... well, it's like someone with a Wii telling me they're not getting Corruption or Galaxy or Twilight Princess. My brain just feebly twitches and asks itself, "But then ... what is console for?"

I don't know: maybe it's because Irrational puts out such consistently solid product that I'm pretty sure this is going to be one of the better games of the year. I could be wrong, I admit. But I prefer to just chalk it up to "Only Pinkos Who Hate Fun Don't Want Bioshock."

FriskyTanuki

07-03-2007, 02:39 AM

You know, weirdly, I can understand Halo not being some folk's cup of tea. Maybe you're used to PC shooters, or you can't stand all the twelve year olds, or 3 doesn't seem like that much of a departure from 2 or whatever. That I get. But Bioshock ... well, it's like someone with a Wii telling me they're not getting Corruption or Galaxy or Twilight Princess. My brain just feebly twitches and asks itself, "But then ... what is console for?"

I don't know: maybe it's because Irrational puts out such consistently solid product that I'm pretty sure this is going to be one of the better games of the year. I could be wrong, I admit. But I prefer to just chalk it up to "Only Pinkos Who Hate Fun Don't Want Bioshock."
Why are you making a big deal of somebody not caring about a game? I couldn't care less about Bioshock, as it's just not my kind of game. But hey, if it's your kind of game, enjoy it. It seems like you're acting like the outraged cool kid who can't understand why the uncool kids don't care about not being cool. Guess what? Not getting Smash Brothers either. ;)

That sucks about the delay, I'll still be getting it regardless. Now it's just another week to enjoy Strikers Charged.

The Crotch

07-03-2007, 04:03 AM

And I'm addicted to CokeCongratulations - you have ended SteveMcQ's domination of my signature. No more will people have to know about his child abuse!

07-03-2007, 04:05 AM

Congratulations - you have ended SteveMcQ's domination of my signature. No more will people have to know about his child abuse!

I'm, uh, honored... maybe?? :-k

trq

07-03-2007, 05:37 AM

Why are you making a big deal of somebody not caring about a game? I couldn't care less about Bioshock, as it's just not my kind of game. But hey, if it's your kind of game, enjoy it. It seems like you're acting like the outraged cool kid who can't understand why the uncool kids don't care about not being cool. Guess what? Not getting Smash Brothers either. ;)

I think I made it clear that while my surprise at the lack of interest in the game was genuine, my "Anyone who doesn't buy this game is a communist" theory was firmly tongue in cheek. The only outrage here is feigned, I assure you.

FriskyTanuki

07-03-2007, 06:32 AM

I think I made it clear that while my surprise at the lack of interest in the game was genuine, my "Anyone who doesn't buy this game is a communist" theory was firmly tongue in cheek. The only outrage here is feigned, I assure you.
You'd like us to believe that, wouldn't you? ;)

botticus

07-03-2007, 09:40 AM

You know, weirdly, I can understand Halo not being some folk's cup of tea. Maybe you're used to PC shooters, or you can't stand all the twelve year olds, or 3 doesn't seem like that much of a departure from 2 or whatever. That I get. But Bioshock ... well, it's like someone with a Wii telling me they're not getting Corruption or Galaxy or Twilight Princess. My brain just feebly twitches and asks itself, "But then ... what is console for?"

I don't know: maybe it's because Irrational puts out such consistently solid product that I'm pretty sure this is going to be one of the better games of the year. I could be wrong, I admit. But I prefer to just chalk it up to "Only Pinkos Who Hate Fun Don't Want Bioshock."So I shouldn't tell you I'm waiting for Corruption to hit the bargain bin?

Chances are I won't end up waiting that long, maybe till I can get it for $30 or so. Though I really should give the first and second game another shot. Just could not get used to the aiming, which shouldn't be a problem with this one, given the FPS controls.

Zen Davis

07-03-2007, 12:07 PM

So apparently Metroid isn't going to have online? Is anyone letdown? I'm not. Strell pretty much had it figured out on page 6 that it wouldn't be happening.

Zen Davis

07-03-2007, 12:14 PM

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trq

07-03-2007, 01:52 PM

You'd like us to believe that, wouldn't you? ;)

Of course I would. You Stalinists are so gullib ... er ... I mean ...

So I shouldn't tell you I'm waiting for Corruption to hit the bargain bin?

*head asplodes*

You make Baby Mario cry.

Chacrana

07-03-2007, 02:17 PM

RollingSkull

07-03-2007, 03:01 PM

I'm not interested in Bioshock either. Shock2 was a decade ago. Cred has a shelf life, especially when you are making your Bioshock based heavily on Ayn Rand's philosophies.

Strell

07-03-2007, 03:06 PM

I think when you attach Ayn Rand to anything, it greatly diminishes my interest.

There could be sexual maneuvers named after her, complete with frosting, sprinkles, and donkeys, and I still think I'd pass.

RollingSkull

07-03-2007, 03:08 PM

Hell, I still don't even know what objectivism is. My eyes gloss over whenever I read CLIFF NOTES of that kind of junk.

EDIT: But I believe I shall make "The Crotch" cry by saying that the modern political left is definitely objectivist in nature.

Strell

07-03-2007, 03:11 PM

Objectivism is simple - do what you think is right for yourself and not for others, and you more or less can't be wrong.

According to her, Hitler was doing exactly what he was supposed to do. All of his followers were the ones in the wrong.

A rather interesting way to look at it, sure. And I'm awaiting some philosophy dork to come in here and claim I'm totally off.

seanr1221

07-03-2007, 03:16 PM

After looking at the pictures Zen posted, I need new pants worse then Strell's mom did when I was finished with her.

Strell

07-03-2007, 03:25 PM

But my dad wears the pants in the family!

My mom wears dresses, and I wear pantaloons.

dallow

07-03-2007, 04:07 PM

I <3 Ayn Rand!

I'd tell you off about Objectivism, and what she means about the importance of the ego, but, eh.

As for Hitler..."Nothing human disgusts me, except things unkind and violent."

Strell

07-03-2007, 04:14 PM

The ego is important, but it's not worth centering your life around.

Also it is the worst possible ending for a book called Anthem. Wow you found the word "Ego." You aren't special. Go back to your forced mating you whiner.

dallow

07-03-2007, 04:16 PM

Haha.
Don't worry, I don't agree fully with her, but I like her ideas. (they remind me of DMK)
And those are some great novels she put out.

07-03-2007, 04:50 PM

Looks very stylish. I also like that it's widescreen.

After playing Mario Party 8, MP3 better fucking have widescreen or there will be hell to pay at nearby NOA...

OK, just had to get this thread back ON TOPIC. Though I am curious about the connection between Bioshock and Ayn Rand. This is news to me.

And Botticus, you WILL buy Metroid Prime 3 (does best Jedi mind trick hand wave impression).

Strell

07-03-2007, 04:54 PM

After playing Mario Party 8, MP3 better fucking have widescreen or there will be hell to pay at nearby NOA...

OK, just had to get this thread back ON TOPIC. Though I am curious about the connection between Bioshock and Ayn Rand. This is news to me.

From this (http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/32465) article:

But he's still determined to get the ideas across. "Even as we live in a country divided, I feel that most of us are sort of in the middle. And I think there are some really interesting themes to play on there." The most prominent character in BioShock -- Andrew Ryan, Rapture's founder -- is an embodiment of a self-centered, free-will political ideology called Objectivism. Objectivism is the brainchild of 1960s author Ayn (rhymes with mine) Rand. She defined it thus: "Man as a Heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity and reason his only absolute." Put more simply, an Objectivist says "the world is what it is, my place in it is important, the only way to know anything is to use your own head, and the best political system is one that leaves me the hell alone. "Andrew Ryan is Ayn Rand meets Howard Hughes," explains Levine.

The initial plot of BioShock -- the founding of this utopia -- mirrors the plot (albeit through a glass darkly) of Rand's 1960's epic book "Atlas Shrugged." In "Atlas Shrugged" the worlds elite -- the "atlases" -- stage a minor rebellion and remove themselves to a better place: a valley where they can be free of the eye and hand of the world's governments and those who would leech off their talents. While the rhetoric of Rapture's founder, Andrew Ryan (an anagram of Ayn Rand with an extra "rew" thrown in for obfuscation) sounds like a Randian polemic, his nemesis is ambiguously named "Atlas." To figure out which one is really the good guy or the bad guy, we'll all have to play the game.

BioShock's story -- for those who wish to stop blowing things up to delve into it -- is about translating this Objectivist ideology into the real world. "One of the things that's very appealing about Rand to me, and about Rapture, is at least in the beginning they're driven by reason." Indeed, this is what attracts most people to Objectivism: it's based on rationality above all else. By both highlighting and skewering Objectivism, Levine's on the warpath against zealots. "I'm trying to write about what happens when real people try to do things," he explains. "The characters in Ayn Rand's books are paragons." But paragons aren't real people, and Levine has written his characters to be as real as possible. They may be drawn in broad strokes, but they're human. "Real people aren't perfect. That's the problem with ideologies. Real people carry out ideologies. So even the best of intentions gets screwed up."

dallow

07-03-2007, 04:59 PM

Ayn (rhymes with mine)

WTF? I have never heard anyone say it in any way other than like "Anne".

ArthurDigbySellers

07-03-2007, 05:01 PM

Ayn (rhymes with mine)

WTF? I have never heard anyone say it in any way other than like "Anne".

I'm fairly certain that I've heard Alex Trebek pronounce it as "anne." So that, my friends, is gospel.

botticus

07-03-2007, 05:03 PM

After playing Mario Party 8, MP3 better fucking have widescreen or there will be hell to pay at nearby NOA...

OK, just had to get this thread back ON TOPIC. Though I am curious about the connection between Bioshock and Ayn Rand. This is news to me.

And Botticus, you WILL buy Metroid Prime 3 (does best Jedi mind trick hand wave impression).Tell you what, if I'm able to get in on another Avatar/MtR trade-in at EB, I will put it on Metroid Prime, just in case impressions tell me I will enjoy it after my less than stellar 1/2 experiences. Though that puts Battalion Wars in jeopardy as a Day 1 purchase. Stay tuned!

Edit: Good and bad news! Battalion Wars 2 is bumped back to October according to EB, so that makes things easier. Only Dewey in September instead of both.

kill3r7

07-03-2007, 05:10 PM

"Man as a Heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity and reason his only absolute."

Howard Roark anyone??

All things considered Rand hit her stride in The Fountainhead and truly put everything together in Atlas Shrugged.

dallow

07-03-2007, 05:19 PM

"Man as a Heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity and reason his only absolute."

Howard Roark anyone??

Umm, duh?

07-03-2007, 07:17 PM

Tell you what, if I'm able to get in on another Avatar/MtR trade-in at EB, I will put it on Metroid Prime, just in case impressions tell me I will enjoy it after my less than stellar 1/2 experiences. Though that puts Battalion Wars in jeopardy as a Day 1 purchase. Stay tuned!

Edit: Good and bad news! Battalion Wars 2 is bumped back to October according to EB, so that makes things easier. Only Dewey in September instead of both.

Well, that's all I'm asking you to do (EB trade-in deal) ;). But of course, I'd rather you get Batallion Wars since we're significantly more likely to play that together than MP3 ;). At least put one down on MP3, and then you can return/cancel/switch if the reviews are not stellar. As for me, I have 2 copies of Mario & Sonic at the Olympics and a NiGHTS preorder that are really just placeholders for other stuff (and also MP3 and Strikers). I had completely forgotten about Dewey's Adventure - though THAT may be the game I hold off on for a price drop. If I do one more EB deal it will probably be for Batallion Wars (since the extra ones are going to switch to Mario Galaxy and SSBB as soon as possible). I'm fine with it being postponed! I really hope the CC price matching thing is a painless as it has been in the past - that difference will make these from a meh deal in to a great one.

Strell - sounds like Bioshock is going to show how/why that philosophy is not practical, so that's not too bad.

trq

07-03-2007, 07:48 PM

I'm not interested in Bioshock either. Shock2 was a decade ago. Cred has a shelf life, especially when you are making your Bioshock based heavily on Ayn Rand's philosophies.

Aw, c'mon man: Freedom Force? And I'd be more wary if it seemed like the game was some kind of giant plug for Objectivism, but it's pretty clear from the setting that things haven't turned out so well for idealogues of that stripe.

Anyway, those new pics of Corruption are looking pretty sweet, I must say. I know I don't need to (what, are there really going to be spoilers for Corruption floating around? Hint: Planet blows up in the end.) but I've been trying to maintain a media blackout for the game, and I'm pleasantly suprised at how it's coming along visually.

Will D Thrill

07-05-2007, 12:09 AM

RollingSkull

07-05-2007, 02:26 AM

Aw, c'mon man: Freedom Force? And I'd be more wary if it seemed like the game was some kind of giant plug for Objectivism, but it's pretty clear from the setting that things haven't turned out so well for idealogues of that stripe.

Anyway, those new pics of Corruption are looking pretty sweet, I must say. I know I don't need to (what, are there really going to be spoilers for Corruption floating around? Hint: Planet blows up in the end.) but I've been trying to maintain a media blackout for the game, and I'm pleasantly suprised at how it's coming along visually.
The last preachy game I played was KotOR2, which was the biggest waste of time ever. The story part that was even FINISHED was pretty sucky. If there's some old cow that follows you around in Bioshock through the flimsiest of contrivances to bitch at you constantly, leaving you only to select the "Wow, your words are wise." dialogue choice, I ain't buying.

Freedom Force doesn't ring a bell. Might've played a demo way back in the day and was not impressed enough to buy.

The Crotch

07-05-2007, 03:38 AM

Agreed on KotOR II. Fuck you, Obsidian. That is another one of those games I regularly rant and rave about.

I really should save those things some time...

maigoyume

07-05-2007, 10:00 AM

Zen Davis

07-05-2007, 12:19 PM

I just wanted to add that I am alos just now playing through MP2. I've owned it for quite some time and since I've finished MP ages ago I want to finish MP2 before MP3 comes out. So far I'm enjoying that game a ton more than I thought I would. It's way better than the demo that I played of it.

Thus far I feel the same way. I feel like I'm getting more enjoyment out of it than the first game. Generally the world feels like a creepier place to be and that if I were in Samus' shoes, I really wouldn't feel comfortable being on that planet, light or dark.

I never felt that way about Tallon IV, which kind of had the grassy areas and this and that and didn't really feel all that foreign to me. I also like the difficulty of the game, which is definitely harder than the first game, whether it's zipping along from the small protective light pods in the dark realm to fighting off the especially intelligent Space Pirates in the light world. It's fun, but challenging as well.

It really makes my mouth water for Prime 3.

Scrubking

07-13-2007, 01:28 AM

http://gametrailers.com/player/21690.html

Interest +1

Also check out the quote at 4:40 - hilarious.

dothog

07-13-2007, 01:48 AM

http://gametrailers.com/player/21690.html

That's a great link. The game in motion looks much better than the screenshots. Though I'm not a big metroid fan, I'm suddenly looking forward to MP3's release.

Zen Davis

07-13-2007, 02:02 AM

DESTRUCTOID:

Sorry. I’m getting a little overboard with my title, but to be honest, I’m having a hard time trying to retain a professional demeanor after playing Metroid Prime Corruption – it’s just that good.

The controls for Corruption are so responsive, so correct, and so intuitive, that I’ve finally been convinced that the Wii is the new home for first person adventures. I know that those are some bold words (and that games like Red Steel have left a pretty bad taste in player’s mouths), but if you play Corruption for just ten minutes, you’ll become a believer too.

I don’t know what those folks at Retro studious did, but strafing, and run ‘n’ gun tactics have never felt so good or so natural before. Without even thinking about it, you become immersed in the game; running, jumping and rolling through levels like you were born to it. Oh, and the camera? Perfect.

Seriously, Corruption is so wonderful to play, that I just may not want to go back to the ol’ dual-sticks again.
IGN:

It plays better than any first-person console game ever... really. And it's one of Wii's best lookers, too.

For some reason, Retro Studios' anticipated first-person adventure sequel, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, doesn't photograph well. Many of the officially released screenshots of the title look bland, a complaint raised all too often by message board addicts. But we've just compiled two hours with a two-level demonstration of the title and we can tell you, it sure looks good in motion. The game runs in 480 progressive-scan and true 16:9 widescreen mode, which is a first for the series. The artistic presentation of the space stations, craft and planets that make up the universe is very impressive, seemingly more on par with the original Prime than its purple-drenched sequel. Textures are crisper and polished with extra effects such as specular highlights on Aran's ship, for example. Environments are larger and architecture more defined. And while it may seem trivial to some, the inclusion of bloom lighting goes a long way, as bright sources like lava and monitors now glow with welcomed style and realism. All of this and the title seldom dips below a fluidity of 60 frames per second. We're realists. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption can't and doesn't look as good as some of today's cutting-edge games on more powerful consoles. But for Wii, a console that so far hasn't proven that it is even dramatically more powerful than GameCube, it's stunning.

Something has gone terribly wrong at a drifting space station. Terminal text displays an eerie message: "Cryogenic systems stable. Corrupted life support anomaly detected." The computer systems have become infected with some kind of new virus, they begin to malfunction and meltdown, and Dark Samus appears to be involved. A real-time cinematic showcases the beginnings of the storyline for Aran's latest adventure, and we catch a glimpse of Dark Samus as she breaks free from a room full of high-tech equipment, very probably signaling the start of the corruption that spreads across the galaxy.

Samus, though, is asleep. The long-time heroine of one of Nintendo's most popular franchises is also adrift in space and she's not wearing her trademark suit. The camera pans in on the blonde-haired, blue-eyed beauty as she opens her eyes and looks around her cockpit. Just outside, we can see the vast expansion of space, stars twinkling in contrast to the great blackness. This is how Prime 3 begins and it seamlessly teaches you some of the game's integral new Wii controls from the comfort of Aran's ship. You can look around the cockpit with the nunchuk's analog stick and you can point to various switches and levers with the Wii remote. A simple tap of the A button may bring up displays, activate boosters, and so on. Retro Studios hasn't suddenly given you the freedom to roam the galaxy - this is still a very controlled situation created specifically to familiarize you with the basics - but it's very atmospheric all the same.

After you point to a center console, Samus places her hand on the device and her ship gains in speed and veers to the right, directly toward a fleet of Galactic Federation Fighters, giant-sized spaceships quite capable of blowing Aran to smithereens. Over the radio, one of the Federation soldiers audibly asks Samus to identify herself. Yes, there's voice work in Prime 3 and judging from the two-level demo, quite a lot of it. Once Samus is on foot again, she can freely walk through the space station and talk with all of its occupants. Naturally, the heroine herself remains mute, but now all of the mechanics and troopers have something to say and the acting is very well done and believable. Another button in the cockpit area brings up a display surrounded in an extraterrestrial alphabet. Here, you use the Wii remote to control Aran's hand so that she can select the right letters to identify herself to the fleet. With that done, she's clear to land on the floating galactic base called Flagship Olympus, where more tutorial controls and story await.

Before leaving her ship, Samus dons her trademark Varia Suit, which is immediately equipped with a number of abilities normally obtained later in Metroid titles. She can transform into morphball form. She can double-jump. She can charge her beam weapon. And she's got three visors available, including both the scan and battle, in addition to a third. Selecting the visors is handled intuitively with the Wii remote. You simply hold down the minus button and flick into one of three directions - left, right, or up - to transition to the various visors. When scanning, you can clearly see Aran's eyes reflected in the visor - not only during gun-muzzle flashes, but the whole time. The plus button is used to activate hyper mode, which seemed locked for the demo.

Samus controls better in Prime 3 than she ever has before. In fact, the heroine's tight maneuverability and speed nurture a level of accuracy never before possible in a console-based first-person experience. Retro has included three different sensitivity levels for fans, so if you're the type who prefers a big bounding box and slower turns, you can do that. However, we highly recommend that all gamers play Prime 3 with advanced controls, which shrink the bounding box so that Samus turns quickly when your on-screen reticule begins to stray in any direction. Previously, Call of Duty 3 was the benchmark for accurate controls in a first-person game on Wii, but Prime 3 blows that title out of the water. If you've played any FPS-style game on Nintendo's system before, you will probably be running and gunning in Corruption and absolutely loving the freedom and speed of the controls in a matter of seconds, not minutes. It really is the new benchmark and simultaneously proof that smart studios can really utilize the Wii remote and nunchuk for some dazzling results.

Having noted that, either we've gone crazy or Retro has actually loosened up the advanced control setting, not tightened it, since we last played the game in New York. It's still very responsive and maneuverable, but it doesn't seem quite as speedy as it was before. Perhaps we were merely so overjoyed at the working controls when we went hands-on at New York that our memory of the affair was distorted.

In Metroid Prime 3, you can lock-on to enemies by holding down the Z button. This function is not nearly as important as it was in the previous games since the new and improved manual aim is so responsive, but it's still helpful when you want to quickly cycle between foes. However, there is one invaluable new change to the mechanic that you can toggle on or off depending upon your preference. You can now lock-on to enemies and retail manual aim with the Wii remote, essentially enabling you to pinpoint shoot Space Pirates and other baddies if you so desire. If you'd rather not bother, turn it off in the options menu and forget it ever existed.

Press the 1 button at any time and you'll bring up the map, options and logbook screens, where you can easily change your control sensitivity and toggle lock-on with manual aim on or off. You can also reverse visor select and hyper mode to the plus and minus buttons if you prefer.

Walking about the Flagship Olympus, you will quickly notice that the environments and occupants are more interactive and that Samus is a figure to be respected. While some mechanics when approached will spout lines like, "I've got duties to perform, we'll talk later," Fleet Troopers are sometimes in awe of Aran. "Did you really take out an entire planet of Space Pirates," one such character asked us after we triggered a conversation with him. Meanwhile, there are all sorts of animated system checks and scan points that Samus must push with her palm, pull with her hands, or look into to be examined. You will regularly pull backward, twist to the left and then push forward again with the Wii remote to unlock doorways, and using gestures to activate these points doesn't feel gimmicky it all; it's highly immersive.

Eventually, the Flagship Olympus is attacked by Space Pirates and everything goes to hell. As you run through darkening corridors, you will see smaller craft crash into the Olympus, which breaks the airlock and causes troopers to be sucked into space. The environments themselves will become destroyed, creating new walkways and holes for Samus to explore and traverse, with the ultimate goal of getting off the doomed satellite.

The second level of the demo is called SkyTown Elysia and it takes place on another planet entirely - one whose mix or organic and high-tech environments hovers in a spectacular sky setting. The objective is to "get the Aurora back online" and "reach the Seed." The level itself is comprised of a network of hovering railways that Samus can traverse by first locking onto a starting point with her grapple beam and then riding the railway like a dangling rollercoaster. It's awesome. While locked on with your grapple beam, you can look around the environment, target enemies in your path, and blow them away. At certain points, Aran will encounter cannons that, when in morphball form, blast her across chasms so that she may continue onward. Also quite awesome. Eventually, you encounter Steamlord, a huge flying robot that fires green ripple lasers your way. He's surrounded by minions, whom he repairs just as soon as Samus blasts them, so you'll have to take him down immediately.

We had our doubts that Prime 3 would come together. Having spent some quality time with the game, though, it is rapidly becoming our most anticipated Wii project. Retro Studios seems to have nailed the controls and (perhaps more than ever) the atmosphere. We simply cannot wait to see and play more.

TahoeMax

07-13-2007, 02:27 AM

As soon as Corruption drops, I'm going to have to work on procuring another Wii. Lord knows where I'll find the money, but find it I must. Game looks absolutely brilliant.

07-13-2007, 05:21 AM

Ah, here's the MP3 thread. Zen, I saw that IGN preview earlier too. While I'm always cautious of overly-optimistic previews, this one seems different. And the bits that I have watched have been incredible. This may just be my most anticipated release all year across both Wii and 360 (though it will be a tough fight with Mario Galaxy). But Metroid comes out in less than 2 months - very nice!

Sir_Fragalot

07-13-2007, 05:38 AM

I have always been a metroid fan, but metroid prime 2 wasn't a good as I hoped it to be (I still miss the free exploration days of the original). Let me tell you though, MP3 has me thrilled. The controlls are the reason I bought a Wii and this just looks so great and reading that preview confirms my buy on this game :D

javeryh

07-13-2007, 08:41 AM

This game is going to be sweet!

maigoyume

07-13-2007, 09:42 AM

gotta get my preorder in, hope retro/nintendo comes up with an uber preorder bonus of some sort

MarioColbert

07-13-2007, 01:06 PM

gotta get my preorder in, hope retro/nintendo comes up with an uber preorder bonus of some sort

OST would be a bonus that would be more cherished than the game itself. Can't play Metroid in the car, you know.

Strell

07-13-2007, 01:07 PM

OST would be a bonus that would be more cherished than the game itself. Can't play Metroid in the car, you know.

Not with that attitude you can't.

MarioColbert

07-13-2007, 01:28 PM

Strell. This is a warning. I'll spell it out for you. Fo-or You.

MC will break your legs. (Uh-Huh!) Tear off your head.
MC will put you down. Under the ground.

This is a warning. I'll spell it out for you.

Strell

07-13-2007, 01:42 PM

You can take your Hot Chippings and shove it.

LinkinPrime

07-13-2007, 02:25 PM

So does this title still support online MP?

EXStrike

07-13-2007, 02:27 PM

It doesn't. It wasn't an announcement made at E3, but rather weeks prior. I think they're gonna send updates/additional content via the Wii's messaging system.

Strell

07-13-2007, 03:02 PM

So does this title still support online MP?

It never did. Never did.

Series of events:
1) Announced as launch game for Wii
2) Delayed some 8 months
3) Bloggers> WTF DELAYD? Y? O I KNO, MULTARPLAYR
4) Reggie> "Multiplayer? It's up to Retro."
5) Retro> "We might do it in a way you don't expect."
6) Announced as single player game
7) Collective internet nerd hive aplodes "WTF YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE ONLINE"

The Crotch

07-13-2007, 03:35 PM

You forgot "8) Rubber baby buggy bumpers". Other than that, good work.

LinkinPrime

07-13-2007, 03:36 PM

It never did. Never did.

Series of events:
1) Announced as launch game for Wii
2) Delayed some 8 months
3) Bloggers> WTF DELAYD? Y? O I KNO, MULTARPLAYR
4) Reggie> "Multiplayer? It's up to Retro."
5) Retro> "We might do it in a way you don't expect."
6) Announced as single player game
7) Collective internet nerd hive aplodes "WTF YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE ONLINE"

Ah...I'm back up to speed thanks.

dmaul1114

07-13-2007, 04:00 PM

The multiplayer in Metroid Prime 2 sucked, as did the crappy DS game, so no skin off my nose.

This franchise just isn't well suited for multiplayer death matches IMO.

willardhaven

07-13-2007, 04:06 PM

3d/first person Metroid was a good one-shot, second game was weak... this is just overkill.

Lan_Zer0

07-13-2007, 04:35 PM

The multiplayer in Metroid Prime 2 sucked, as did the crappy DS game, so no skin off my nose.

This franchise just isn't well suited for multiplayer death matches IMO.

I thought MPH was an excellent example of an FPS on the DS, and proved the DS is more than capable for handling that genre.

What about MPH multi didnt you like? It was a very complete experience.

dmaul1114

07-13-2007, 04:39 PM

I thought MPH was an excellent example of an FPS on the DS, and proved the DS is more than capable for handling that genre.

What about MPH multi didnt you like? It was a very complete experience.

Boring levels and weapons, and I HATED the controls, awkward and cramped my hands after 10 minutes every time I played. Friend codes are a pain in the ass etc. etc. And online on Nintendo consoles will always be a less than stellar experience as you're going to have even more kids than X-box Live due to skewing more toward the younger demographic. Will really be a pain with any games with voice chat.

The single player was even worse.

I'm a big Metroid fan (Super Metroid is probably still my all time favorite game) but MPH just sucked hard IMO.

Lan_Zer0

07-13-2007, 04:46 PM

dmaul1114

07-13-2007, 04:49 PM

Yeah, it's definitely a love hate game.

You're spot on with the single player. It just sucked, was too linear and just felt like a worthless, generic FPS game. They would have been better leaving it off and just putting in a death match with bots mode as the only single player. But I'm biased as I hate generic shooters.

I agree the aiming was nice. I just could never find a comfortable way to hold the DS to allow using the d-pad, L-button and the stylus without my hands cramping.

SoulReaver

07-13-2007, 05:40 PM

I don't know why but I couldn't get into Metroid Prime. Stopped playing after an hour and haven't touched it since.

whoknows

07-13-2007, 05:41 PM

I don't know why but I couldn't get into Metroid Prime. Stopped playing after an hour and haven't touched it since.
I was once like you.

Then I watched Grease and played it again.

Oops! I did it again.

07-13-2007, 05:51 PM

Ah...I'm back up to speed thanks.

He nailed it, yeah, but I think one factor unmentioned is that the expectations of online multiplayer were not so much based on any sort of 'announcement,' but rather just coming to that conclusion based on the fact that Hunters had it and obviously that Wii has the means to support it...plus the fact that, as Strell said, the issue was kind of danced around a bit by those in-the-know.

Personally, it doesn't bug me much at all, as I rarely have ever cared to play FPS titles online short of a good ol' fashioned DN3D deathmatch, but I can see why there was an assumption that online play would be likely.

maigoyume

07-13-2007, 05:52 PM

OST would be a bonus that would be more cherished than the game itself. Can't play Metroid in the car, you know.fusion or zero mission anyone ;)?

tgk2044

07-13-2007, 05:55 PM

I was once like you.

Then I watched Grease and played it again.

haha wtf?

MarioColbert

07-13-2007, 06:04 PM

fusion or zero mission anyone ;)?
Uh, in my household I drive 100% of the time that I am in the car. If I somehow not driving, that means I am sleeping. I imagine once I spawn Mario Colbert Prime Junior it'll only get worse.

Riyonuk

07-13-2007, 06:08 PM

Boring levels and weapons, and I HATED the controls, awkward and cramped my hands after 10 minutes every time I played. Friend codes are a pain in the ass etc. etc. And online on Nintendo consoles will always be a less than stellar experience as you're going to have even more kids than X-box Live due to skewing more toward the younger demographic. Will really be a pain with any games with voice chat.

The single player was even worse.

I'm a big Metroid fan (Super Metroid is probably still my all time favorite game) but MPH just sucked hard IMO.
I thought the single player was alright, it kinda seemed like it revolved around the multiplayer experience, except against less difficult opponents, that seemed easily predictable. And not much story going on there, you don't even get much background about the different hunters, not counting there names and origin.

The multiplayer was so great, especially in the beginning, when the game was first released. Everyone online was pretty much at the same level and witnessing new tactics was always a sight to behold. But then came the dark times, thats much expected from online games I would assume (I'm not an avid online gamer). There came the glitches (Shadow Freezing, Shadow Worlds, Clone Bots, Infinits, Not Damagable), the Haxorz who thought they were all mighty just because they managed to get a $30 Action Replay, and the lamerz who abused the DeathALT and D/C if they got shot >_<

Also what I thought was lame was that you could only use the VoIP feature before or after battles, which made communicating rather difficult. What most veterans, such as myself, would do is power beam our friend code numbers on the wall, which was funny at times, because you either couldn't understand, or just went for that free headshot.

Monsta Mack

07-13-2007, 08:14 PM

BEST CONSOLE FPS EVER? That's a hell of a statement.

whoknows

07-13-2007, 08:22 PM

haha wtf?
WTF indeed

Zen Davis

07-13-2007, 09:24 PM

BEST CONSOLE FPS EVER? That's a hell of a statement. Then again at E3 they were saying "This will be the best Mario Kart ever. This is the best Smash Brothers ever. This is the best succesor to Mario 64 ever" eh Reggie...
This was from IGN. The article was on page 09.

Not Reggie.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html

http://www.destructoid.com/e3-2007-metroid-prime-corruption-coming-august-27-and-it-s-freaking-awesome-34960.phtml

Monsta Mack

07-13-2007, 10:04 PM

Oh I retract my statement then.

Scrubking

07-15-2007, 03:26 AM

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS
http://www.jeux-france.com/downloads8100_video-metroid-prime-3.html

Main Title Screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlKtEgy95-I

Puzznic

07-15-2007, 06:48 PM

I'm digging that title screen music.

maigoyume

07-15-2007, 10:10 PM

good stuff, i loved the wall jump into screw attack sectionof the intro :D

pygmy carnotaur

07-16-2007, 12:23 AM

BEST CONSOLE FPS EVER? That's a hell of a statement.

Especially since this game, unless Retro screwed up badly, isn't a FPS. The series already seems to have died on handhelds thanks to that sorry excuse for a Metroid game the DS got. These latest impressions have not been giving me much faith in this game at all, even though I know better, and that the game will be good. I think my real concern is that they perfected the Metroid gameplay in 3D with Metroid Prime, but every 3D Metroid after has moved away from what makes Metroid such a good series.

Zen Davis

07-16-2007, 01:11 AM

Especially since this game, unless Retro screwed up badly, isn't a FPS. The series already seems to have died on handhelds thanks to that sorry excuse for a Metroid game the DS got. These latest impressions have not been giving me much faith in this game at all, even though I know better, and that the game will be good. I think my real concern is that they perfected the Metroid gameplay in 3D with Metroid Prime, but every 3D Metroid after has moved away from what makes Metroid such a good series.
So now its a bad one? That's not what anyone who has played the game is saying. Quite the opposite actually.

seanr1221

07-16-2007, 09:58 AM

I'm throwing it out there: The coolest thing about this game is still the fact you use the nunchuck to de-shield a guy, then aim the wii-mopte to blast him away.

maigoyume

07-16-2007, 05:32 PM

Especially since this game, unless Retro screwed up badly, isn't a FPS. The series already seems to have died on handhelds thanks to that sorry excuse for a Metroid game the DS got. These latest impressions have not been giving me much faith in this game at all, even though I know better, and that the game will be good. I think my real concern is that they perfected the Metroid gameplay in 3D with Metroid Prime, but every 3D Metroid after has moved away from what makes Metroid such a good series.i'll admit the MPH wasn't that great IMO but it did introduce the idea of diff bounty hunters, which to me is awesome, and does metroid prime pinball count? cause that game rocked :applause: plus the free rumble pack goes well w/ EBA, ouendan 2 and Partners in time

CouRageouS

07-16-2007, 06:18 PM

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS
http://www.jeux-france.com/downloads8100_video-metroid-prime-3.html

Main Title Screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlKtEgy95-I
That was sweet.

Am I the only one who played and loved the first Metroid Prime, then just wished from there they should have went 3rd person? I always felt Samus should have a Tomb Raider-esque game, her jumping abilities and exploring sense would fit perfect. Slap some platforming onto the Zelda engine and thats a guaranteed winner right there. I still have some hopes for it coming, away from the Prime moniker.

I'm also curious about how well the Prime games do in Japan, since its made from a US developer.

Zen Davis

07-16-2007, 07:56 PM

I'm also curious about how well the Prime games do in Japan, since its made from a US developer.

They preform mediocre to average.

Riyonuk

07-17-2007, 05:58 PM

Oh come on, the DS version was awesome! I put at least 300 hours into it.

I also used to live about 5 blocks away from Retro Studios office, and I just figured that out a while ago >_<

maigoyume

07-17-2007, 06:07 PM

Oh come on, the DS version was awesome! I put at least 300 hours into it.

I also used to live about 5 blocks away from Retro Studios office, and I just figured that out a while ago >_<oh snap >< when did they move?

Strell

07-17-2007, 06:09 PM

They are in Austin, I think.

I check their website every few days in hopes they need a tester. :/

pygmy carnotaur

07-17-2007, 08:03 PM

i'll admit the MPH wasn't that great IMO but it did introduce the idea of diff bounty hunters, which to me is awesome, and does metroid prime pinball count? cause that game rocked :applause: plus the free rumble pack goes well w/ EBA, ouendan 2 and Partners in time

Metroid Pinball is a great game, I will admit that. But a big part of that is that the game is pinball, with Metroid elements perfectly mixed in. Hunters on the other hand, is a generic FPS with Metroid characters used as the selling point. So yes, what I'm saying is that Metroid Prime Pinball counts for more of a metroid game than Hunters does. It'd be great if Nintendo would make a real DS Metroid of course, especially since the 2 GBA ones were great, but I guess that's not likely now. I really want a remake of Metroid 2 actually, done like Metroid Zero Mission was.

I'm still going to be buying Prime 3. As I said before, the first Metroid Prime was my favorite GC game, and one of the best of the last generation. Prime 2 felt off, like they weren't getting it quite right anymore. And then Hunters was awful, and now people are calling Prime the best FPS ever(when the series isn't and has never been a FPS). It's really killing all the interest I had in this game at the moment.

maigoyume

07-18-2007, 02:56 AM

Metroid Pinball is a great game, I will admit that. But a big part of that is that the game is pinball, with Metroid elements perfectly mixed in. Hunters on the other hand, is a generic FPS with Metroid characters used as the selling point. So yes, what I'm saying is that Metroid Prime Pinball counts for more of a metroid game than Hunters does. It'd be great if Nintendo would make a real DS Metroid of course, especially since the 2 GBA ones were great, but I guess that's not likely now. I really want a remake of Metroid 2 actually, done like Metroid Zero Mission was.

I'm still going to be buying Prime 3. As I said before, the first Metroid Prime was my favorite GC game, and one of the best of the last generation. Prime 2 felt off, like they weren't getting it quite right anymore. And then Hunters was awful, and now people are calling Prime the best FPS ever(when the series isn't and has never been a FPS). It's really killing all the interest I had in this game at the moment.i wouldn't mind a metroid 2 remake either, in fact i never got to play it so that would definitely make my day, about your description of MPH, honestly it wasn't that great a game, metroid prime is meant to be an FPA (FIRST PERSON ADVENTURE) not nintendo's answer to halo, in any case prime 3 looks to bring back the FPA aspects of the game and i'm grateful if it does just that

seanr1221

07-18-2007, 07:00 AM

I'll admit the hunters introduced in MPH were pretty cool. I also really digged the online mode. The only thing I didn't like about it was the hand cramping and having to go back to the same levels over and over.

Apossum

07-18-2007, 12:09 PM

BEST CONSOLE FPS EVER? That's a hell of a statement.

And one only Play Magazine would be dumb enough to make.

I'm not saying it doesn't have potential, hell I may buy a wii just to play this sometime soon after it releases, but still-- Play is borderline retarded with their hyperbole (and that goes for everything...)

Zen Davis

07-18-2007, 02:54 PM

spiwak

07-18-2007, 02:58 PM

How can anyone genuinely lay down such hyperbole, anyway? No one's played the whole thing, right?

Apossum

07-18-2007, 03:00 PM

What does this have to do with Play? IGN just said it after playing the E3 2007 build.

okay, I take back my comment--i didn't read close enough. but 9 times out of 10, play lays down the insane hyperbole.

dmaul1114

07-18-2007, 04:13 PM

metroid prime is meant to be an FPA (FIRST PERSON ADVENTURE) not nintendo's answer to halo, in any case prime 3 looks to bring back the FPA aspects of the game and i'm grateful if it does just that

Yep. I'm hoping they stick to the FPA aspect of the game, and don't get shooter happy with the new controls.

Metroid used to be a no question day 1 buy, but after not liking Prime 2 and absolutely loathing the DS game I"l have to read a few reviews first.

Strell

07-18-2007, 04:33 PM

Just want to point out that the DS Metroid was handled by NST, not Retro. The games are not even remotely comparable outside of the name and the fact that NST borrowed the aesthetic created by Retro.

Apossum

07-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Just want to point out that the DS Metroid was handled by NST, not Retro. The games are not even remotely comparable outside of the name and the fact that NST borrowed the aesthetic created by Retro.

it is a big difference. MPH put me to sleep while MP1 on the cube kept me wanting to play more and more the entire time. I didn't like MPH's "levels" much at all...

Zen Davis

07-18-2007, 06:29 PM

How can anyone genuinely lay down such hyperbole, anyway? No one's played the whole thing, right?
Perhaps not the whole thing, but they've played enough of it to know what they're talking about. I would think anyway. It's not just any one publication that are saying it. IGN and Destructoid have both said that Metroid Prime 3 is awesome.

...and the two Metroid 3 stages were just the confirmation we needed that Corruption is going to truly change FPS gaming on Wii.

EXStrike

07-18-2007, 06:35 PM

Zen Davis

07-18-2007, 06:36 PM

IGN: http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html

You know, they never said "Best console FPS ever". They said "played better than any first-person console game".

Big difference, I'd say, unless I missed something, which I don't think I did.
Should I take out the 'S' in FPS?

Metroid Prime 3, on the other hand, is the single best-controlling first-person console game and it may become the most atmospheric Metroid outing yet, which would be a huge accomplishment.

Monsta Mack

07-18-2007, 06:56 PM

And one only Play Magazine would be dumb enough to make.

I'm not saying it doesn't have potential, hell I may buy a wii just to play this sometime soon after it releases, but still-- Play is borderline retarded with their hyperbole (and that goes for everything...)

Yeah I always get a kick out of the games with the play rating sticker "10/10 PLAY" on Fable. Yeah it was a great game, but 10/10? Hell Overlord got a 9/10 when most places gave it mid 7's. Theres a bunch of other games that scored high with play to. Play = bullshit source.

Staind204

07-19-2007, 02:33 AM

Will D Thrill

07-19-2007, 08:53 AM

I started MP1 today (I originally had it a long time ago and used a guide so that doesn't count). I am liking it quite a bit right now. I just got the magnet ball upgrade. One thing I hate though is having to use that damn thermal vision. I also have MP2 sitting in the closet (have never played it). I need to get on it to have both of these beat before Corruption comes out. BTW which MP is better, the 1st one or Echoes? What are the differences?You have a TON of gaming to do then. I'm trying to finish MP2 before MP3 comes out and that's going to be cutting it close.

So far I'm enjoying both but I like MP1 better. MP2 is very good though. The one thing that seems to bug me about MP2 is there's not enough bosses yet or at least cool bosses. MP1 did a great job of breaking things down into a level like experience with a boss at the end of every task. So far MP2 doesn't really do this and the bosses so far aren't near as interesting/creative/original as the first game. Definitely give it a play though.

FallMoon

07-19-2007, 09:07 AM

All of the bosses in Super Metroid are creepy monsters, which is what I'd like to see more of in Metroid Prime 3.

dmaul1114

07-19-2007, 09:46 AM

BTW which MP is better, the 1st one or Echoes? What are the differences?

I loved MP1 and didn't care much for Echoes.

The main difference is you switch back and forth from light and dark versions of the world. The dark world is pretty much the same as the light, but there are differences and changing things in one leads to changes in the other etc. The main problem with it is: 1. It leads to double the back tracking. 2. The dark hurts you so you spend a lot of time standing under lights in the dark world which regenerate your health. You get upgrades that reduce the health loss but it's always annoying.

Finally, I found the bosses even harder when I already thought the last few bosses in MP1 were too hard for my tastes.

maigoyume

07-19-2007, 09:54 AM

the difficulty was definitely ramped up in echoes, i can't even count how many times it took me to take out the boost ball guardian ><

mlettich

07-19-2007, 09:58 AM

I loved MP1 and didn't care much for Echoes.

The main difference is you switch back and forth from light and dark versions of the world. The dark world is pretty much the same as the light, but there are differences and changing things in one leads to changes in the other etc. The main problem with it is: 1. It leads to double the back tracking. 2. The dark hurts you so you spend a lot of time standing under lights in the dark world which regenerate your health. You get upgrades that reduce the health loss but it's always annoying.

Finally, I found the bosses even harder when I already thought the last few bosses in MP1 were too hard for my tastes.

Quoted for truth for the light world/dark world discussion. When I heard about light and dark worlds I wasn't expecting the same exact levels that differ only in the color of the atmosphere. I was hoping for something where in the Light world you have a forest,but in the Dark world you have a desert.

I do disagree with the difficulty though. I enjoyed the fact that they were more difficult.

dmaul1114

07-19-2007, 10:01 AM

the difficulty was definitely ramped up in echoes, i can't even count how many times it took me to take out the boost ball guardian ><

That was exactly where I said fuck it and quit playing.

I realize many love the challenge, but I just don't have much time for games and thus have little patience for bosses that take me 20+ times to beat.

Especially in first person games which I admittedly suck at.

maigoyume

07-19-2007, 10:05 AM

That was exactly where I said fuck it and quit playing.

I realize many love the challenge, but I just don't have much time for games and thus have little patience for bosses that take me 20+ times to beat.

Especially in first person games which I admittedly suck at.the difficulty was definitely geared towards the more hardcore, but the end boss fight made it all worthwhile :applause:

Zen Davis

07-19-2007, 10:38 AM

Ridley and Prime were harder than hell in the first game and I honestly expect nothing less in part 2.

I got about five hours into Prime 2 and am absolutely loving the experience. It's definitely hard but I love the atmosphere of the world much more than the first one. Although nothing comes close to the Phendora Drifts in the first game, I like the fact that the world/universe feels more fleshed out than any of the other games in the Metroid series.

Chacrana

07-19-2007, 11:01 AM

For me, the environments in 2 (which I just played through this week) couldn't even touch those in MP1. Phendrana was like... perfect, so I guess I can't expect them to match that, but still... the Agon Wastes looked exactly the same as the overworld for the most part, and the other places weren't particularly interesting either. That said, I loved the game... but I hope 3 steps it up in terms of environments.

Apossum

07-19-2007, 12:17 PM

all this MP talk makes me wanna pick up a copy of MP1 to mess around with before 3 comes out.

I couldn't get into MP2 at all for some reason...

seanr1221

07-19-2007, 01:09 PM

I really wish there was someway for me to know what to do next in MP2...I'd love to finish it before Prime 3 comes out.

dmaul1114

07-19-2007, 01:30 PM

I really wish there was someway for me to know what to do next in MP2...I'd love to finish it before Prime 3 comes out.

????

www.gamefaqs.com

lanzarlaluna

07-19-2007, 01:57 PM

I really wish there was someway for me to know what to do next in MP2...I'd love to finish it before Prime 3 comes out.
Turn on the hint system.

Zen Davis

07-19-2007, 02:09 PM

all this MP talk makes me wanna pick up a copy of MP1 to mess around with before 3 comes out.

I couldn't get into MP2 at all for some reason...

Try again and this time pretend its Samus put into the Aliens world. Makes it a lot easier to dig.

seanr1221

07-19-2007, 03:49 PM

Sweet jebus, Prime 2 has a hint system??

As for the Gamefaqs comment, that isn't going to help when I have no idea where I even am or what happened last (last time I played was in December).

Zen Davis

07-19-2007, 04:15 PM

maigoyume

07-19-2007, 06:03 PM

Sweet jebus, Prime 2 has a hint system??

As for the Gamefaqs comment, that isn't going to help when I have no idea where I even am or what happened last (last time I played was in December).yea there is, you just gotta roam around a bit before it kicks in, i just went missile upgrade hunting

The Crotch

07-19-2007, 06:13 PM

When lost in Prime 2, I just looked at my map for doors that I haven't opened, but theoretically could open. A bit of walking around, but if you plan your route well, it can be quite efficient - and you'll probably get some missiles on the way.

Mr Durand Pierre

07-20-2007, 08:43 PM

Does this game come out on the 21st or 27th? Most places have said the 27th, but the Aug issues of Game Informer says 21st. I know Game Informer is rubbish, but they're usually up to date if nothing else. Can anyone confirm?