Left 4 Dead - Gen. Discussion & Info

[$hady]

edit: nevermind LOL I checked my spam email account and JACKPOT L4D beta code from the junk numbers i entered. :D

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Played 3 or 4 more games online tonight and it was a blast - even with total strangers. Headsets are an absolute must though. Anyone without one got instantly kicked from the lobby.

Regarding Witches. Don't shine a light at them, don't approach them, don't shoot them unless you have absolutely no choice. Tonight we had one directly in the middle of the train tracks so we had no choice. We threw 3 pipe bombs at her only to scare her, sending her directly into our group where she murdered everyone. The pipe bombs went off in the background as we all died.

[PenguinoMF]

Played 3 or 4 more games online tonight and it was a blast - even with total strangers. Headsets are an absolute must though. Anyone without one got instantly kicked from the lobby.

Regarding Witches. Don't shine a light at them, don't approach them, don't shoot them unless you have absolutely no choice. Tonight we had one directly in the middle of the train tracks so we had no choice. We threw 3 pipe bombs at her only to scare her, sending her directly into our group where she murdered everyone. The pipe bombs went off in the background as we all died.

I was playing with some young kid in our group. We come to a room where there was a Witch. He tells us to turn off our flashlights and don't go near it. I rush in, go over to it, and start shooting it. Of course it was the first time I played. Those things are a pain.

[crunchb3rry]

Lol, there can be so much fun for a griefer in this game though. All they have to do is break from your group, yell "LEEEEROY!" then run over and open that door at the end of the subway level, pop a cap at a witch when everybody is tippytoeing past it, etc. The vote to kick in this game is definitely a must, but with a group of friends it might be fun to just mess with eachother, like random pranks and shit.

[fart_bubble]

it would be nice if I could actually download the fucking demo. Like what Nuts & Bolts did to me, it gets to the 55% mark and then hangs up telling me that it can't download the demo

[specialk]

This demo is great.

[$hady]

Played for about an hour online, it's really fun and intense since the host had it on expert he said or whatever the highest difficulty was.

[Chase]

"Merry Christmas."

I enjoyed the demo. Usually, I have to adjust sensitivity settings, but the default sensitivity settings work. The controls feel more refined than Team Fortress 2. I think they tweaked the dead spot. I appreciate the intelligence of the computer controlled teammates. They heal you when you need it and save your ass when you're hanging from some zombie tongue like some zombie hunting Tarzan. And friendly fire isn't as bothersome as I imagined it would be. I assume it's due to the competent AI. Left 4 Dead is reminiscent of the Flash game titled the Last Stand. Coincidentally, it feels like an arcade game. Now, that's not a detriment, just a comment on its feel. I enjoyed the demo and look forward to eventually buying Left 4 Dead.

[Zyzomys]

I played through the demo with my son this morning. Great game. I am looking forward to playing online with three more people - should be awesome.

I cannot believe how much money I am spending this fall on games - and now I have another one to buy!. Fable 2, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2, Gears of War 2, and now Left 4 Dead!

[doubledown]

Any extra demo codes? I'm debating if I want this or not...thanks!

[Chronotrigga]

I think one of the main things I like about this game is really the detail. Although it's something that makes common sense, the fact that they took notice to it is pretty damn awesome.

Whenever you melee, you obviously use the butt of the gun to hit the zombie. Your flashlight is also attached to it. When you're in the dark and you melee, the flashlight moves off into the distance (in the motion of the melee) -- it doesn't stay in place. I would've expected the flashlight to stay in place while you melee'ed, but it's just that sort of attention to detail, even if it is somewhat common sense that makes the game great. I've never seen this kind of thing in a game, but that might just be me.

In other news, I wish, hopefully, when the new game comes out, that there will be extra "game modifiers" when playing co-op campaign or campaign. Like Halo Skulls, where you can change different types of the game to make them more interesting (no HUD, Zombies have more health, Zombies explode when hit in head, etc..) If they added some interesting "game modifers" like that, it'd be golden.

[Soodmeg]

I played through the demo with my son this morning. Great game. I am looking forward to playing online with three more people - should be awesome.

I cannot believe how much money I am spending this fall on games - and now I have another one to buy!. Fable 2, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2, Gears of War 2, and now Left 4 Dead!

I cant believe how many of those have numbers in the title. Holy sequel batman!

[crunchb3rry]

I notice you can close doors but they can literally be busted to splinters.

[Draekon]

I notice you can close doors but they can literally be busted to splinters.

Still, closing doors works well because while it does splinter the door, you will have some time to shoot through the open part that's been splintered. Plus it funnels them in a large group rather than a long stream of them so you waste less ammo and have better results with meleeing.

[SynGamer]

I always close doors behind me. Best example is the first level where you're in the house/apt. Going downstairs, close that door (at the top) and then the one at the bottom of the stairs and it's easy to clean them up.

[Chronotrigga]

I like how I've been to the train part so many times with random people but have never beaten it on expert. There was this one incompetent guy who kept killing Bill (NPC) every time we all died and restarted the game. He was like, WE DON'T NEED AN OLD GUY DRAGGING US DOWN, while me and the other guy were like wtf.

[Draekon]

I like how I've been to the train part so many times with random people but have never beaten it on expert. There was this one incompetent guy who kept killing Bill (NPC) every time we all died and restarted the game. He was like, WE DON'T NEED AN OLD GUY DRAGGING US DOWN, while me and the other guy were like wtf.

Could be worse. You could be stuck with HotShot.

Normally I'd pin it on Syn, but this game clearly pulls out HotShots zombie lust for braaaaaaains. Especially kentucky fried brains.

[Scorch]

This game is beyond fun and is an absolute must buy.

[agentxricky]

Anyone have an extra code for me? I'm willing to trade a 48 hour code.

[theking20]

I really want to try this demo/beta, I have some ms points and xbla games( Joust) if anyone is interested.
Help me out

[ScallionN]

This is one of the few games where team killing and suicide can be advantageous. We were in the subway on expert (goddammn, that subway) and Francis got bile'd. As the horde started to emerge, he ran back to our little hiding spot near a wall.
Big mistake. We yelled at him, and told him to take on for the team and get knocked down, so he could eventually be saved. No dice. We shot him down right there and took care of the whore with no damage to ourselves.

And Bill, bless his heart, sacrificed himself and chucked a Moltov in front of him to shield us while he was attracting the horde. This game really feels like you're playing through a zombie flick.

[ScallionN]

And dear god, guys, when you're playing on XBL, please, please, please communicate with your mic, especially on Expert. For some reason, nobody spoke during the last 10 matches I played.

[suko_32]

Does it matter which character you are?

I just played the demo online and it was pretty fun. There was a kid that played this before telling us what to do and not to do. For example he told us not to go near cars or else it'll set off the alarm. Unfortunately someone accidentally bumped into one and mayhem ensued lol. We still managed to beat it on normal without many difficulties.

[helmet]

Grr, abuse of the Gamestop pre-order system seems to have ruined the offer for those actually pre-ordering. I guess I'll be canceling my pre-order!

If anyone has an additional code (for pc), I'd be highly appreciative if you'd consider giving it to me! :D

[ScallionN]

Grr, abuse of the Gamestop pre-order system seems to have ruined the offer for those actually pre-ordering. I guess I'll be canceling my pre-order!

If anyone has an additional code (for pc), I'd be highly appreciative if you'd consider giving it to me! :D
Honestly, if Valve wanted to sell more copies, they would have sent out the demo weeks ago, and given the people who pre-ordered the game a cool trinket, or an artbook, or *something* better than a not-really-discount and early access to a demo that'll be out in a week.

[Soodmeg]

I really want to try this demo/beta, I have some ms points and xbla games( Joust) if anyone is interested.
Help me out

I swear to god I want to punch you.


How many tricks and glitches and cheats must we post to get free demo codes/beta codes/ etc before people actually use them?

Again and for the final time. If you wanted in the demo that badly all you had to do was find any gamestop receipt that you had and type any random transaction code into the website shrike posted (like 4 pages ago now I am not going to look for it.....you look for it) and boom 2 min later you have a code.

Now I dont know if it works now that the codes have already been sent out but it work for me for 4 separate codes that I gave my friends.

[Soodmeg]

Alright my last post sounds meaner than what I intended but damn we go through this every time.

Demo/beta whatever comes out.
CAG members find about 2 to 3 good quality ways for all to enjoy
CAG members post those ways
Other CAG members spend the days begging for codes while not even trying to search the thread for the ways we already posted to get said codes.

[lordwow]

The demo was really great. Glad I preordered this at Amazon for the $49, it's gonna be THE game to play on co-op mode when it's released.

[Scorch]

Again and for the final time. If you wanted in the demo that badly all you had to do was find any gamestop receipt that you had and type any random transaction code into the website shrike posted (like 4 pages ago now I am not going to look for it.....you look for it) and boom 2 min later you have a code.

You don't even have to type in a transaction ID. I left it blank and got a code the next day.

[johnnyrocker360]

Yeah i just played the demo for like an hour and it's amazing. I really can't wait for the full game to come. It's going to be super super wicked!

[helmet]

Honestly, if Valve wanted to sell more copies, they would have sent out the demo weeks ago, and given the people who pre-ordered the game a cool trinket, or an artbook, or *something* better than a not-really-discount and early access to a demo that'll be out in a week.

The logic behind this process of offering a demo as a pre-order incentive is puzzling. I've been waiting quite some time for this title, but I can't justify jumping in an unknown purchase.. in order to try it and see if I enjoy it.

Alright my last post sounds meaner than what I intended but damn we go through this every time.

Demo/beta whatever comes out.
CAG members find about 2 to 3 good quality ways for all to enjoy
CAG members post those ways
Other CAG members spend the days begging for codes while not even trying to search the thread for the ways we already posted to get said codes.

Well I believe he's asking because the previously said method of retrieving a pre-order is no longer available. The only current alternative appears to be pre-ordering from Steam.

[crunchb3rry]

The demo is getting wide release (ie: no code required, just download it) on November 11th. That's still a good week before release, so the goofy preorder bonus tactic won't really cannibalize any sales a demo usually generates.

Yeah i just played the demo for like an hour and it's amazing. I really can't wait for the full game to come. It's going to be super super wicked!

The beauty is this only seems like 1/3rd of the entire first level (of four total, I think). The airport one seems like an odd choice. But, heck, at last it's not doing a gimmicky shopping mall level. I'm glad to see for once a different Romero movie being used as subtle inspiration. I can't fucking wait to play the farm chapter. Please let there be farmhouse to take refuge in.

This game would be just a hair better if we could barricade in one building, using the same system where you heal people but to "heal" windows and doors by adding planks or shoving fridges up agaisnt them. Maybe a DLC mode in the future where you just see if you can outlast a timer boarding up and re-boarding up windows while zombies try to bust in from every entrance. Like the 4 humans versus 8 other players that can only play as standard infected instead of the special classes. Shit, stuff like that would be a goldmine if a company ever put it in a game. With lobby options for fast zombies, slow zombies, humans being turned, needing to have your health go down to zero to die or just take a single scratch and have a countdown. Why oh why can't anybody put this kind of shit in a game even as a tertiary mode.

[SynGamer]

What would make this game perfect is if we could indeed barricade doors/windows. Like even if they were pre-defined...hit X to tip the refrigerator in front of the door/window, or hit X to push the couch against the door...etc.

EDIT: COD5 has a zombie survival mode which is like what you described, but i really think it would be better suited for Left 4 Dead.

[ScallionN]

The demo is getting wide release (ie: no code required, just download it) on November 11th. That's still a good week before release, so the goofy preorder bonus tactic won't really cannibalize any sales a demo usually generates.



The beauty is this only seems like 1/3rd of the entire first level (of four total, I think). The airport one seems like an odd choice. But, heck, at last it's not doing a gimmicky shopping mall level. I'm glad to see for once a different Romero movie being used as subtle inspiration. I can't fucking wait to play the farm chapter. Please let there be farmhouse to take refuge in.

This game would be just a hair better if we could barricade in one building, using the same system where you heal people but to "heal" windows and doors by adding planks or shoving fridges up agaisnt them. Maybe a DLC mode in the future where you just see if you can outlast a timer boarding up and re-boarding up windows while zombies try to bust in from every entrance. Like the 4 humans versus 8 other players that can only play as standard infected instead of the special classes. Shit, stuff like that would be a goldmine if a company ever put it in a game. With lobby options for fast zombies, slow zombies, humans being turned, needing to have your health go down to zero to die or just take a single scratch and have a countdown. Why oh why can't anybody put this kind of shit in a game even as a tertiary mode.
I can see that you're definitely a zombie fan.
I'd love to see something like that (especially a game where one scratch/bite=UNDEAD. Why are there so many immunes in zombie games?) but it's just a design choice. Turning into a zombie with no recourse to healing is a steep penalty, and you'd have to give the players lots of options to avoid being bitten. It's a lot more work than making them shoot at fast zombies, and on expert mode, that's enough of a challenge. But offering a long co-op campaign like L4D's with an infection rate that increases as it goes along... the thought alone is orgasmic.

[crunchb3rry]

Oh shit, I gotta get COD5 now for sure.

ScallionN, yeah fighting that many zombies at the speed they move takes strategy enough. I suppose a mode where you could become infected and turned would be best suited with zombies instead of infected (ie: slow instead of fast). It you enforced the headshot rule and only allowed basic weaponry (no assault rifles, just revolvers, deer rifles, etc.), playing as a slow zombie you might be able to close the gap and actually hurt a human, provided they had mediocre aim.

[Malik112099]

just played the of demo of this and it is quite simply badass...I love that panicky feeling when you get rushed by the zombies and it seems overwhelming...this whole game reeks of awesome

[Chronotrigga]

I might just buy this on PC. Will the 360 have custom maps or no?

[homeland]

I might just buy this on PC. Will the 360 have custom maps or no?


of course not.. well thats my guess. If you have a gaming pc, it should be better on the pc. Just look at the demo, on the pc demo they have already modded it to include being able to play as zombies including a smoker, and unlocking a higher level called "epic"

[markingsmart]

Another code:

R3XT9-YP87H-JM964-PW43J-84RYY

[gareman]

Another code:

R3XT9-YP87H-JM964-PW43J-84RYY

Used it..

Thank you! I was just about to go pre-order just to get the code today.

[slickkill77]

http://forums.gametrailers.com/?do=show_thread&id=447316

OXM review....9.5

[crunchb3rry]

Lol at the OXM review's comment about them having a witch spawn in the doorway leading into a safehouse.

[gareman]

this game is amazing........

I am sure there is no lame ass "resident evil" like story where its about what is going on. I love how its all about surviving. WOW

I beat normal then went right to the next difficulty immediately.

Going to still pre-order and on top of that looks like I will finally renew my Gold membership.

[Scorch]

If anyone has a code they can spare, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE e-mail it to me. I know it goes free on Tuesday, but I have a friend I want to play co-op with tonight.

[seanr1221]

I'll be getting this day 1 :)

[CouRageouS]

Just amazing. With so many ads around the city I was thinking this was being overhyped, after playing the demo its not at all.

RELOADING!

[Chronotrigga]

OMG I BEAT EXPERT :O!!! Then again, there was no witch, no tank, and only like one boomer. My favorite move is whenever I see a zombie woman running toward me and I shoot her feet and she does a faceplant. lol dont trip

[homeland]

[quote=Chronotrigga;5089520]OMG I BEAT EXPERT :O!!! Then again, there was no witch, no tank, and only like one boomer. My favorite move is whenever I see a zombie woman running toward me and I shoot her feet and she does a faceplant. lol dont trip[/quote

ya what a sense of accomplishment it is to get through on expert.. And just realize this is only 2 stages for the game.. The game is gonna rock, obviously multiplayer is the way to go.. After playing with a group I can't imagine playing the whole game by myself.

[Mr.Bojangles]

Where is the cheapest place to get this game online? I am looking to use PayPal too.

[Malik112099]

If you pre-order from Gamestop they will take $5 off the game

[Scorch]

If you pre-order from Gamestop they will take $5 off the game

GameCrazy's doing the same thing, but it's 10% off of it, which equates to $6, in addition to your $5, so it'll be $48.99. Boo-yah, a whole dollar savings. lol

[JJSP]

The demo for this was a blast. Can't wait to try the full thing.

[crunchb3rry]

this game is amazing........

I am sure there is no lame ass "resident evil" like story where its about what is going on. I love how its all about surviving. WOW


There is apparently no story at all. They say an outbreak happened a few weeks ago in the intro, that's about it. The plot (or what subtly passes for plot) is gained through the scrawlings on the safehouse walls. It sets the tone and really makes you feel like you are the last four dumbasses that decided to hang around after everyone else got the fuck outta town. I'm still hoping there's dialogue between the characters, backstories and whatnot, during safehouse re-arming periods but I fear there is not.

[homeland]

Apparently the way to defeat a Tank on the hardest level is just to run away, thought the guy I was playing with was bullshitting but it worked. Run away and the tank just dies after a while.

[delbert31]

The demo is getting wide release (ie: no code required, just download it) on November 11th.

I woke this morning exited to download it, but i searched the live marketplace just to find nothing.:bomb:

[Malik112099]

I just spent 10 minutes looking for the demo thinking NXE was messed up until I figured that the demo isn't out yet. This is balls considering I uninstalled the pc demo in anticipation of the 360 demo

[HotShotX]

Anyone else overly disappointed by the L4D Demo, and probably what's to come in the full game? I've made a blog post, check it out, and let me know your thoughts in the comments.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=4266

~HotShotX

[Malik112099]

your description of the game makes it sound awesome which I am sure was not the point of the blog.

[benjamouth]

I've only seen the video on Kotaku but it left me feeling a bit, under whelmed.

I'll form a better opinion after trying the demo.

[CouRageouS]

I've only seen the video on Kotaku but it left me feeling a bit, under whelmed.

I'll form a better opinion after trying the demo.
I thought the same thing when I watched a couple videos but once I played the demo I was sold. I can see how the game may wear a bit thin after a few solid sessions though.

I hope they expand on this as a series. I would love a scenerio akin to "From Dusk till Dawn", as long as I can play as Sex Machine.

[ananag112]

The demo was released I think. I am downloading it now and I didn't preorder the game.

[Chronotrigga]

I'm still contemplating whether to get this for the 360 or PC. The 360 I know will be solid, but with no custom maps (maybe), it might just get repetitive after like 2 weeks. On the PC version though, I can probably find it a lot cheaper, and there are user-created custom maps. I don't want to end up dishing like $53 only to return it a few weeks later when I end up playing the same maps over and over.

Then again, both the 360 and PC offer a different experience. So, who knows..

[LinkinPrime]

Demo now available to all.

[slickkill77]

Demo now available to all.

Welcome to 12 hours ago:D

[LinkinPrime]

My bad :-(

[slickkill77]

Naw I was just kiding. They said they were releasing the demo today but you are the op....I think but whatever

[Chase]

There is apparently no story at all. They say an outbreak happened a few weeks ago in the intro, that's about it. The plot (or what subtly passes for plot) is gained through the scrawlings on the safehouse walls. It sets the tone and really makes you feel like you are the last four dumbasses that decided to hang around after everyone else got the fuck outta town. I'm still hoping there's dialogue between the characters, backstories and whatnot, during safehouse re-arming periods but I fear there is not.


The lack of dialogue and story is what made the demo feel like an arcade game. For my interest's sake, I hope there's a story. Otherwise, I feel Left 4 Dead may wind up a quickly tiring experience.

[Cleaner7]

Just downloaded the demo, but haven't played it yet. Waiting for some friends to get on and download it to play. Hurry up, bitches! Lol.

This game looks so fun. I can't wait to play it!

[sleepy180]

downloading NOW!! I have a feeling this game will be one of the long lasting greats like Counterstrike which after like 10+ years is still awesome. PC version that is, because of all the modders and what they will be able to do. 360 version its just another shooter imo.

[crunchb3rry]

The lack of dialogue and story is what made the demo feel like an arcade game. For my interest's sake, I hope there's a story. Otherwise, I feel Left 4 Dead may wind up a quickly tiring experience.

Yes, I think the game would be great if the survivors talked to eachother when the action was on break, like in the safehouses, sharing stories of how they got there or speculating on various things like how it all started. Or if you had CB radios on desks in the safehouses with news reports on a loop, a la the Romero movies where you have updates on what the government is doing to solve the problem. But, sadly, it seems the game was designed solely for a storyless multiplayer and singleplayer is just modified offline multiplayer. Missed opportunity that could have boosted the game even higher than it already is on the radar.

[Malik112099]

shot! I'm installing cod4 and then I notice the l4d demo is up. I'll be all over this in a few minutes.

[Phokis]

I wouldn't be too quick to judge. Portal had a great story/ending/twist that was only revealed cryptically throughout the game. Near the end, you got your reveal and "bam", the story became awesome (or, at least, existent).


And I'm not referring to post-Test 19 (19, right?). I'm talking about post-post-Test19. Final boss fight, and all that. :)

[LegendK7ll3r]

I don't care if this game doesn't have a story, after playing this, I want it now.

[Sofa King Kool]

Well, I've been anxiously waiting for this game ever since it was announced, and it pains me to say that I won't be able to play it.

The internet connection at my school is absolutely atrocious. We have the shittiest bandwidth I've ever had to work with, and one of the strictest firewalls I've ever seen. This makes gaming nearly impossible. Literally, the only time I can manage just an "ok" connection is at around 2am after Friday and Saturday nights when the majority of the campus is too drunk to be using the internet. The only time I'd be able to play is when I'm home over the summer or for holidays, so I think I'm just going to pass on it it save the money. Maybe I'll pick it up when it's $20 bucks in a year or two.

I wanted this game so unbelievably bad too. Fuck.

[slickkill77]

The whole point is that there is no story, theres nothing, its just the four people trying to survive a zombie apocalypse.

[cochesecochese]

This is badass. I have high hopes for the retail version.

[bardockkun]

Well zombie movies have always been about human nature and how we're the real threat. If the game is nothing, but run and shoot and survive then yeah, probably storyline will be closer to Contra then anything else (get from point A to point B and try not to die). Well unless the game (like every other zombie movie) half way through or so you deal with power hungry humans.

[Nobi-Wan]

I like the little messages that other survivors have left on the walls of safehouses. It reminds me a lot of Portal. I still can't decide whether to get it for 360 or PC.

[bardockkun]

I'm getting it for 360, but I say PC. Better fan support after you're done with the game and Valve games always better in general on PC.

[Nobi-Wan]

How much is the 360 version? The one on Steam is $45.

[greyzieoriental]

played the demo and it was pretty fun, definitely would be great over live but i dont see that much replay after you beat it

[PenguinoMF]

How much is the 360 version? The one on Steam is $45.

It retails for $60. Amazon has it for $48.99 ($53.99-$5 preorder special). I'm going to go out on a limb and say Toys R Us might have a free gift card with purchase when it comes out. They had one for Gears of War 2 and Call of Duty:WaW.

Circuit City will have a $10 GC offer on the 360 version and the PC version for $40.


played the demo and it was pretty fun, definitely would be great over live but i dont see that much replay after you beat it

The zombies randomly spawn so I think that adds some replay value. You never know what you are going to get.

[Pure Apathy]

The zombies randomly spawn so I think that adds some replay value. You never know what you are going to get.

There is also a versus mode which should be very fun.

[cochesecochese]

played the demo and it was pretty fun, definitely would be great over live but i dont see that much replay after you beat it

In the full version you'll get to play as zombies as well. It's not all campaigns.

[Bretters]

This game is awesome.

[Monsta Mack]

Demo was extremely fun. I'm now unsure of buying this on PC or 360 but I'll play the PC demo tomorrow to get a better hold of how my rig can handle it (well I'm assuming since I could run source on very high settings) but at the same time it runs pretty damn fine on the 360, and the 360 is obviously going to have the Live community and acheesements which is a shame you would figure this would be PC live enabled even if It's owned by Valve... just for the acheesements.

Decisions, Decisions.

[bisquit]

I tried the 1 player mode and highly enjoyed that. Can't wait to play it online with my friends. My one friend is obsessed with zombies. I love how they run like on 28 days later too.

[crunchb3rry]

I tried the 1 player mode and highly enjoyed that. Can't wait to play it online with my friends. My one friend is obsessed with zombies. I love how they run like on 28 days later too.

Shit, they run FASTER than in 28 Days Later. It's like a zombie army of Usain Bolt clones.

[deadgopher]

If you have a PC capable of running the game, BUY THE PC VERSION. My box was top of the line 4 years ago and it runs on high settings fairly well.

[A Happy Panda]

I was really pumped for this game but after playing the demo...

Meh is the best word I can think of. It was fun sure, but it seemed pretty dull as it went on. You go into a room, kill all the Zombies, maybe collect ammo, go into the next room, kill all the Zombies. Repeat. Occasionally kill a Hunter or the fat zombie that explodes. There really wasn't anything tactical outside of helping your teammate who sometimes may have gotten caught by a Hunter or a Licker. I found myself pretty much strafing and shooting at the massive hordes of Zombies. I expect a higher level of teamwork, but really it seemed like anyone could just run n' gun with their other 3 teammates and you'd all be OK.

Maybe it's because when I played, I was playing with randoms where there was close to zero mic chatter I dunno.

Gotta say though, kinda let down. Might have to change my pre-order money to something else...

[benjamouth]

Tried the demo last night and I wasn't really impressed. It does strike me that the demo might not be doing it justice but it seemed like a one trick pony.

It was literally just run about and shoot zombies, and I never felt like I was in any real danger, even when I had a bunch of them crowded around me. So once the initial novelty of getting mobbed by Zombies had worn off it became a bit boring.

Might be better in co-op ut as of now my Amazon pre-order will be getting cancelled.

[cochesecochese]

Did you play it on extreme?

[bisquit]

Shit, they run FASTER than in 28 Days Later. It's like a zombie army of Usain Bolt clones.

lol.
I didn't really mean speed-wise. the animation.

[benjamouth]

I'm gonna say no, if it wasn't a default setting then I didn't.

I'm not giving up on the game just yet, I'll try it in co-op tonight. I think this might just be a bad demo. I've been fooled by bad demos before on FEAR and Forza 2.

[cochesecochese]

I'll be on tonight if you want to team up for some extreme. It would be better if we could get a couple of other CAG's or at least adults. You have to stay together on extreme if you want a chance of surviving.

[MisterHand]

Tried the demo last night. It's pretty damn cool. At one point, we got a message that one of us had "awoken the Witch". "Is that bad?" I asked. It turns out that yes, it is bad. Very very bad.

[mang9432]

for those of you that found it a bit boring, I'd up the difficulty level. The game becomes a lot better on the harder levels.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I'm gonna say no, if it wasn't a default setting then I didn't.

I'm not giving up on the game just yet, I'll try it in co-op tonight. I think this might just be a bad demo. I've been fooled by bad demos before on FEAR and Forza 2.

Co-op is really the only way to play this game. The AI for your partners in single player is actually pretty good, but there is nothing like teaming up with 3 other people on Advanced or Extreme (which is insanely hard) and trying to make it through alive.

Just when you think you have an area locked down and start to relax, a hoard of 50 zombies comes bum rushing from behind. Good times.

And yeah, don't startle the witch!

[cochesecochese]

Anyone up for a couple runs through? I'm around all day.

[LegendK7ll3r]

for those of you that found it a bit boring, I'd up the difficulty level. The game becomes a lot better on the harder levels.

Agreed.

A simple upping of the difficulty makes this game go from good, to great. I was playing with two other friends, and we breezed through the demo on normal. So, we decided to up the difficulty one.

BAD, but yet GREAT idea. We made it past the first level without too much trouble, but the second level... we were stuck and ended up trying to beat it for over an hour and a half.. we could not pass that subway alive, and when we did, the horde ended up killing us.

After over an hour and a half, we somehow got lucky, and finally beat it. Now, we have to try it on Expert.. I can't wait.

[flybrione]

This is going to be one of the best games of the year. I enjoyed the demo so much. We played it three different times and it was never the same. Different things happened all the time. I can't wait until the full game is released.

One of the cool things we did is at the end of the second chapter there are some gas cans in the area. You can place them on the floor and start a massive fire to help stop the horde after you open the overhead door.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

This is going to be one of the best games of the year. I enjoyed the demo so much. We played it three different times and it was never the same. Different things happened all the time. I can't wait until the full game is released.

One of the cool things we did is at the end of the second chapter there are some gas cans in the area. You can place them on the floor and start a massive fire to help stop the horde after you open the overhead door.

Yeah, those gas cans are great. I just played a few games at lunch and we beat the 2nd level and were just milling around on the catwalk taking out the occaisonal hunter or boomer. We were all pretty badly injured (had a nasty run-in with a witch during the final zombie rush) and we knew we should probably just head into the safe room and call it quits.

One of our "teammates" picked up a gas can, chucked it at the other 3 of us and shot it with his auto-shotty.

Needless to say we all died. For some reason I found it hilarious but the other 2 victims didn't.

They work well against zombies too.

[NTolerance]

You story folks continue to amaze me. I played the PC demo last night and thought about how cool it was to shoot zombies in the head with my M16 along with three other friends. The game doesn't pull any punches or waste my time - it puts me right into the thick of it.

Do we really need an epic plot here? One that surely would be sub-B movie quality as video game stories usually are?

\\:D/

[bisquit]

Tried the demo last night. It's pretty damn cool. At one point, we got a message that one of us had "awoken the Witch". "Is that bad?" I asked. It turns out that yes, it is bad. Very very bad.

I read about the witches on the wiki page. So, when I played the demo I made sure to wake her up. lol. She fucking raped me.

[Rig]

I was really pumped for this game but after playing the demo...

Meh is the best word I can think of. It was fun sure, but it seemed pretty dull as it went on. You go into a room, kill all the Zombies, maybe collect ammo, go into the next room, kill all the Zombies. Repeat. Occasionally kill a Hunter or the fat zombie that explodes. There really wasn't anything tactical outside of helping your teammate who sometimes may have gotten caught by a Hunter or a Licker. I found myself pretty much strafing and shooting at the massive hordes of Zombies. I expect a higher level of teamwork, but really it seemed like anyone could just run n' gun with their other 3 teammates and you'd all be OK.

Maybe it's because when I played, I was playing with randoms where there was close to zero mic chatter I dunno.

Gotta say though, kinda let down. Might have to change my pre-order money to something else...

Pretty much how I felt. The game felt way too PC for my tastes (fast moving player and enemies). Seems like it would be the perfect fit for a keyboard/mouse setup, but not for the 360 controller. (Yes, I know who Valve is, etc.)

I played with a friend, who was also disappointed. It's probably a rental for me, at the most.

[necrojustice]

I didn't enjoy it until I cranked up the difficulty. I can't stop playing otherwise.
Day 1 for me...

[Walt Jay]

I played it Normal last night, and wasn't too impressed; it's not bad by any means, but the experience felt a little empty, a bit too straight-forward.

But I'll take the 'up the difficulty' advice and give it another shot.

[cochesecochese]

I was just in a match where I was downstairs and another survivor got hit with boomer puke. I watched a train of about 50 zombies run past at full speed but all with their faces turned at me. Surreal.

[mtxbass1]

The demo just put this game on my official "do want" list. I'll be picking this up when it goes on sale.

[bisquit]

played a few rounds online last night. Had a blast, cept when my teammates weren't paying attention and I died. I mean really, I was right behind them. only thing they had to do was turn around.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

There is a huge article about Valve in the most recent Game Informer and they have a section about Left 4 Dead. In one of the screenshot captions, it says there are other goals besides "get from point A to B" like defensive scenarios.

So it soulds like some of the levels may involve staying in one building and defending it against a constant zombie rush. That would be pretty fun as well.

[Malik112099]

this game is simply awesome. Im kinda sad I need to get through fallout 3 and gears 2 before buying it

[hx214]

I liked the demo enough to keep my pre order, but as some of you said I really don't like the fact that the zombies are sooooo fast. When you get puked by the bomber there are 1000 zombie on you that seem to appear out of no where. They aren't even on the screen before hand

[cochesecochese]

I'd day one this if my connection wasn't absolute shit. It's really fun when I can get it to work though.

[Nex Antonius]

I loved it. Hearing a Witch is always a creepy delight.

[Hydro2Oxide]

I liked the demo enough to keep my pre order, but as some of you said I really don't like the fact that the zombies are sooooo fast. When you get puked by the bomber there are 1000 zombie on you that seem to appear out of no where. They aren't even on the screen before hand

The none existent ones are usually else where shambling, but are then attracted by the smell.

I'll pick this one up for PC definitely.

[Ink.So.Well.]

I had the absolute pleasure of playing this demo for 6 hours yesterday and my only qualms with the game is the lack of challenge on Normal difficulty and noteworthy scares. Otherwise it's so damn addictive I love it and can't wait to play it again tonight. Last night was the first time I played it and I managed to conquer Expert with a random team. A fun yet frustrating experience to which we made a pack to play again in the campaign when the real game comes out. Advanced and Expert level Tanks are RIDICULOUS.

Ugh.

After we died for the seventh time due to cheap Boomer spawn attacks and Smokers strangling us long enough for Hunters to finish the job we changed our plan of attack. So much so soon realized if two of us didn't become safe room sprinters while the rest decoyed and healed we weren't going to conquer Expert, but it worked. A very intense and completely hilarious experience I look forward to experiencing again.

I'm slowly but surely falling in love with this game. If you see me on Live send me a game request. I could always use players that don't suck at this game. :D

[crunchb3rry]

There is a huge article about Valve in the most recent Game Informer and they have a section about Left 4 Dead. In one of the screenshot captions, it says there are other goals besides "get from point A to B" like defensive scenarios.

So it soulds like some of the levels may involve staying in one building and defending it against a constant zombie rush. That would be pretty fun as well.

That might be a reference to minor events like that generator room at the end of level 1.2. Where you open the door and have to defend against a wave before you can continue on.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I'm getting sick of these "mutant" zombies. I don't want these fucking boomers, or lickers or any other BS. I want WALKING DEAD PEOPLE!!!! I'll pass ont his on for now. Apperently no one has learned from Dead Risings' sucsess.

[lilboo]

Yeah this demo was pretty awesome.
Is it JUST online co-op? Any local? 4 player local, too? :-s

Can you do a mix of local and online co-op?

[Nex Antonius]

Yeah this demo was pretty awesome.
Is it JUST online co-op? Any local? 4 player local, too? :-s

Can you do a mix of local and online co-op?

Online. Local. Mixed.

[lilboo]

Nice!

[neverletthem]

Eh, I don't know, I wasn't really feeling the demo. I usually love zombie shooters, but this just didn't feel right. I wasn't very impressed by the Point A to B thing, which didn't work for some reason here. Nor was I impressed by a lack of story. I don't think I can stand "No story, just kill zombies" play for the whole game. The levels seemed short, so short that I think I did the first one in maybe ten minutes, and the second wasn't that long either. I can't speak for online co-op, seeing as I have not done that yet.

The multiplayer might make this game good, but, I don't know. I might buy it, but, it's not one of my Must Buy's right now. I had hopes for this game when I first heard about it, but now, not so sure.

[Nex Antonius]

I don't mind the game "not having a story." It adds to the experience of not knowing what the hell is going on, like if it happened in reality. I think that's what they were striving for. Also, the writing on the safe-house walls gives you a little idea of the "story", much like Portal.

[neverletthem]

I don't mind the game "not having a story." It adds to the experience of not knowing what the hell is going on, like if it happened in reality. I think that's what they were striving for. Also, the writing on the safe-house walls gives you a little idea of the "story", much like Portal.



See, but I enjoyed the simplicity of Portal. This just feels like another generic shooter, IMO.

[Bretters]

I actually liked the point A to point B and lack of story, gave it a nice arcade-y feel; strange as it sounds it's a nice break from the norm.

[Pure Apathy]

Has anyone walked outside of the subway safe house only to find a tank waiting on them right when you went out? I tried running into the bathroom and shutting the door while my teammates were being killed outside, but the tank found me. :cry:

[Nex Antonius]

Has anyone walked outside of the subway safe house only to find a tank waiting on them right when you went out? I tried running into the bathroom and shutting the door while my teammates were being killed outside, but the tank found me. :cry:

Was that with us? I remember something happening like that, also.

[cochesecochese]

Has anyone walked outside of the subway safe house only to find a tank waiting on them right when you went out? I tried running into the bathroom and shutting the door while my teammates were being killed outside, but the tank found me. :cry:

Do you mean the safehouse at the end of the first chapter or the safehouse at the end of the second chapter?

[bigdaddybruce44]

Wow, downloaded this demo, and I can't wait. Been hooked on the co-op missions from Resistance 2, so another co-op oriented game is right up my alley right now.

[FoxHoundADAM]

See, but I enjoyed the simplicity of Portal. This just feels like another generic shooter, IMO.
Agreed. Might as well just be some sort of alien for how it plays. Not at all the zombie apocolips shooter I've been waiting for. Sadly this falls into the "pass" collum. More time for Fallout 3, Mirror's Edge and Gears 2 I guess.

[Caro]

I'm getting sick of these "mutant" zombies. I don't want these fucking boomers, or lickers or any other BS. I want WALKING DEAD PEOPLE!!!! I'll pass ont his on for now. Apperently no one has learned from Dead Risings' sucsess.

A assure you that the majority of people will love this game when it comes out and nobody will be talking about dead rising.

super slow moving zombies wouldn't make for a good fps, well maybe for people who set every game they play to the easiest setting or enjoy shooting fish in barrels maybe...

[dastly75]

This game is awesome.

[LegendK7ll3r]

Do you mean the safehouse at the end of the first chapter or the safehouse at the end of the second chapter?

The safehouse you start out in on Chapter 2. The one with the bathroom in it.

[cochesecochese]

No, never seen a tank out there. Although I have seen a witch stationed right at the top of the subway stairs so it was impossible to avoid her.

[necrojustice]

This game is awesome.

Seconded.

[PocariSweat]

I don't know what this is about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekCnOeuCDbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekCnOeuCDbs

[bigdaddybruce44]

super slow moving zombies wouldn't make for a good fps, well maybe for people who set every game they play to the easiest setting or enjoy shooting fish in barrels maybe...

Though I don't mind this game's use of the "infected," zombies would work out, as well. You would just need a ton of them. That's the scary thing about zombies. They overwhelm you. Either way, more zombie games is a good thing.

[ferocioustoast7]

i love this game cant wait for it to come out i played the demo like 12 times

[Littlefields]

So I was playing the demo with a few people over Live. We zoomed through Normal and Advanced with no problems. But when we got to Expert we found ourselves dieing round after round. We spent about 2 hours in the subway due to the tank and witches. Then I realized everyone has left the game a while ago, leaving the bots to help me. I was playing with bots the whole time. And talking to myself as well....

[depascal22]

I really liked the demo. It's just too bad the trailer is ten times more exciting that the real thing. It's to be expected of course, but I was expecting a little more from the gameplay.

Did anyone else just use twin pistols because it had unlimited ammo? I had that and switched out my Uzi for a shotgun and had zero problems with anything.

[cochesecochese]

I really liked the demo. It's just too bad the trailer is ten times more exciting that the real thing. It's to be expected of course, but I was expecting a little more from the gameplay.

Did anyone else just use twin pistols because it had unlimited ammo? I had that and switched out my Uzi for a shotgun and had zero problems with anything.

What difficulty are you playing on?

[Guerrilla]

Did anyone else just use twin pistols because it had unlimited ammo? I had that and switched out my Uzi for a shotgun and had zero problems with anything.
I started walking around with twin pistols when I noticed they're fairly effective and saved the other weapons for larger encounters.

[depascal22]

What difficulty are you playing on?

Normal difficulty.

[Chase]

I watched the 1UP Show hands-on. While I now want it more than I did a week ago, I think it's not worth the initial 60 dollars. From what I gather, Left 4 Dead is a very short game, but the AI director adds replay value because it changes things per play-through. What sparked my interest was looking at the game through the eyes of a zombie. Playing as a zombie looks like a ton of fun.

[cochesecochese]

Normal difficulty.

There's your problem right there. The game starts to get interesting on advanced but the real game is on extreme. You'll be assaulted by an unending horde of zombies and feel a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach when a witch or a tank is nearby.

[depascal22]

There's your problem right there. The game starts to get interesting on advanced but the real game is on extreme. You'll be assaulted by an unending horde of zombies and feel a sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach when a witch or a tank is nearby.

Well, I'm down to try it out with a couple other CAGs if you wanna shoot me a friend request.

[Ink.So.Well.]

I'm thinking of getting in a few games to take a break from Mirror's Edge. I'm down for Expert as well.

[cochesecochese]

Sent.

edit: Word, I am on. I am going to eat a quick bite (2 mins) and then we can play.

[depascal22]

Sent.

edit: Word, I am on. I am going to eat a quick bite (2 mins) and then we can play.

I gotta play later since my daughter is home. I don't really like playing ultra violent games until she goes to bed.

[Ink.So.Well.]

That's cool. Eh, Coche... I'll be on in a minute. I just gotta set up my router real quick.

[cochesecochese]

Yeah, I actually just turned off my box because of dp22's message. What is a good time tonight for everybody? I am good anytime until about 3 am and then I hit the sack.

[Ink.So.Well.]

Well provided Live doesn't keep disconnecting me after every five minutes (#*&$(*) I'm good anytime between now and midnight eastern standard.

[deejayfiggy]

This is interesting. I pre-ordered the game from EB (online) several months ago, with next day air shipping. Everyone is saying the actual street date is Tuesday...yet they shipped it today for confirmed delivery on MONDAY. This rocks....but can't EB get in major trouble for this? Anyone else getting it Monday?

[Calamityuponthee]

Could be in stores game stores Monday, who knows. Would be awesome if so.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Yeah, I actually just turned off my box because of dp22's message. What is a good time tonight for everybody? I am good anytime until about 3 am and then I hit the sack.

I'll add some of you guys to my list as well. I'd like to play with some CAGs. I'll probably be on 10:30 - ? EST tonight. I have to wait for my daughter AND wife to go to bed.

[Ink.So.Well.]

Ugh. I'm going to have to take a rain check at least for tonight or until Microsoft fixes (I certainly hope not when puttng their track record into consideration who knows how long it'll take ;\) their connectivity problems which is ridiculous considering how smooth it was running last night. I was looking forward to playing with some of you guys.

Hopefully we can all come together soon or for the real game's campaign and versus matches.

[homeland]

anyone start a zombie killing team yet? Looking to go threw the game on extreme when it comes out.

Also does this game deserve a CAG L4D ?

[crunchb3rry]

Yeah, this game has CAG night written all over it.

[lilboo]

Is this demo capable of local :-s
What about local AND live? (me and my BF here, playing online with my brother)

[seanr1221]

Local: yes

Local and Live: I dunno

[lilboo]

I don't have it up right now--(he's watchin TV :wall:) but how do you do a local match? Last time we had it up I couldn't find it :(

[seanr1221]

On the main screen it says somewhere to press start on controller 2.

[crunchb3rry]

I think Local & Live is there. I'll have to check but I swear I read somewhere you can mix and match.

EDIT: Read on another forum some post with a guy saying him and a friend played with 2 people online, so apparently it works.

[cochesecochese]

I think Local & Live is there. I'll have to check but I swear I read somewhere you can mix and match.

EDIT: Read on another forum some post with a guy saying him and a friend played with 2 people online, so apparently it works.

I, too, can confirm Local/Live blend works.

[Sofa King Kool]

Downloaded the demo last night. Is there a separate for multiplayer? The multiplayer option in mine is grayed out. Also, are the graphics really blurry for anybody else?

[cochesecochese]

You're gonna want to go into options and turn off the film grain effect. I have it cranked pretty high but that's a personal preference.

As far as multi goes, it's under the 'Play Campaign' option on the main menu.

[Sofa King Kool]

You're gonna want to go into options and turn off the film grain effect. I have it cranked pretty high but that's a personal preference.

As far as multi goes, it's under the 'Play Campaign' option on the main menu.

Alright, I didn't even try looking there.

As for the film grain, I turned that off, and the graphics still seem blurry as hell to me. I'll try turning it back up. I like stylized graininess anyway.

[SteveMcQ]

Hi guys, quick question: I haven't been following this game too much, but is there a single player mode in this? Or is this more like UT in that the SP is only practice for the MP?

[cochesecochese]

Yeah, there's single. The AI isn't so hot in expert though.

[homeland]

the only good thing about the AI is they unselfishly heal u instead of healing themselves.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

the only good thing about the AI is they unselfishly heal u instead of healing themselves.

Well that and they'll take out Hunters/Smokers in a single shot most of the time. Played through Expert last night and beat it for the first time (I'm usually playing on Advanced). We even encountered a Tank and took him down.

[Trakan]

the only good thing about the AI is they unselfishly heal u instead of healing themselves.

That wasn't the case the few times I played the demo. The AI would heal themselves first, waste them early when they weren't missing that much health, and steal the health packs you can pick up throughout the level as well.

[Ink.So.Well.]

I can vouch for the AI stealing items during my play through in single, but when the time came to use them I was first priority.

[slickkill77]

Lets clarify this for the confused. Theres single player which can either be played with either 1 human and 3 AI bots or 1-4 people co-op(bots fill in). There is also a separate multiplayer vs mode. I believe the vs is 4 human zombies and the horde vs 4 humans

[Ink.So.Well.]

Lets clarify this. Theres single player which can either be played with either 1 human and 3 AI bots or 1-4 people co-op. There is also a separate multiplayer vs mode

The answer is yes to all of them. Campaign - Single or local and online co-op, local/online co-op mix and match, I assume the AI fills in any remaining spots as in the demo.

I can't speak on Versus until the game is released next week but I assume it has a similar set up.

[slickkill77]

I wasnt asking a question, I was making a statement...but thanks:roll:

[Ink.So.Well.]

I wasnt asking a question I was making a statement...

Your initial post lacked the clarification of your edited version hence the confusion? No need to get short about it. Sheesh.

[slickkill77]

There were no ? marks so I dont see the confusion....reading comprehension -1

[n8rockerasu]

I've had this game pre-ordered for months now because I love zombie games/movies, but I finally got a chance to play the demo last night. And wow! This game is scary as shit! Fast moving zombies are just unnerving as hell. This vibe of this game totally feels like 28 Weeks Later. It's so frantic and chaotic.

I kinda hate that there is friendly fire though. It provides for a more realistic experience, but I ended up shooting one of my AI teammates so many times trying to gun down a massive zombie group in front of them. I'd really love to join a CAG team for the co-op campaign, but I'm afraid I'll suck. I think I'm the dude in the movie who hears a noise and just starts spraying bullets everywhere, lol. Granted, I played this at about 2 AM with the lights out and headphones on. So, I'm just going to blame that for my spasticness, haha.

[slickkill77]

The best thing about this game is when you get to play with British and Australian people. It is hilarious especially when a tank comes

[homeland]

The best thing about this game is when you get to play with British and Australian people. It is hilarious especially when a tank comes


do they drop the "bloody hell" or "pissah" left and right?

[slickkill77]

Its mainly when they get freaked out. Theres just something much more satifying about hearing a british person freaking out and screaming than a person with an american accent of some kind

[Littlefields]

Its mainly when they get freaked out. Theres just something much more satifying about hearing a british person freaking out and screaming than a person with an american accent of some kind
I find that any foreign person seeing a tank run towards them is funny. Or when they get mad at the certain teammate that won't turn off their flashlight, eventually leading to the witch raping everyone.

[n8rockerasu]

I find that any foreign person seeing a tank run towards them is funny. Or when they get mad at the certain teammate that won't turn off their flashlight, eventually leading to the witch raping everyone.

The first time I saw a witch...I shot her. It was not a good time. :no:

[Sofa King Kool]

Just had my friend play through the demo. I told him the car alarms scare away the zombies. Then I told him the witch is a scared civilian that you need to save.

It was funny.

[Ice2Dragon]

The first time I saw a witch...I shot her. It was not a good time. :no:

No kidding, i got jumped on and died in like five seconds... it was horrible..

[n8rockerasu]

Just had my friend play through the demo. I told him the car alarms scare away the zombies. Then I told him the witch is a scared civilian that you need to save.

It was funny.

Hahaha, that's awesome. Yeah, that's another thing. When I heard "Be careful. That car has an alarm that might go off", what did I do? I shot the car to see what would happen. Again, this was not a good time.

"Don't touch the stove. The stove is hot. Don't touch it. Ok?"
"Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!"

Similar to what happened.

[Littlefields]

I really think the campaign should have been a bit longer. Waiting and dicking around before going in the last safe room is boring. They could have at least gave us a cutscene showing us what happen to them.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I kinda hate that there is friendly fire though. It provides for a more realistic experience, but I ended up shooting one of my AI teammates so many times trying to gun down a massive zombie group in front of them. I'd really love to join a CAG team for the co-op campaign, but I'm afraid I'll suck. I think I'm the dude in the movie who hears a noise and just starts spraying bullets everywhere, lol. Granted, I played this at about 2 AM with the lights out and headphones on. So, I'm just going to blame that for my spasticness, haha.

Well half of the problem with friendly fire is that the people who take point rarely duck. LB motherfucker! If you are the lead person in a subway car and a hoard of zombies comes rushing at you, you better duck or you are looking to get blasted in the back.

If I am in the front, I always duck to allow players to shoot over me. It also helps when you get swarmed since your buddies can basically just spray the entire crowd without hitting you.

I've been really having fun with the demo but I don't think I am going to have the cash to get it right away. Which means it will probably be an after-Christmas purchase. I just hope people are still playing.

[shinryuu]

Played the demo with a random group. Had two kids, and me and thid older guy in our group. The older guy kept calling the black guy Obama, while one of the kids kept saying, "bow down," throughout the whole game. The other kid was actually good and helpful.

Anyways, it feels like a solid game, but like any Valve game, it probably plays better on the PC.

[ivanctorres]

Played the demo with a random group. Had two kids, and me and thid older guy in our group. The older guy kept calling the black guy Obama, while one of the kids kept saying, "bow down," throughout the whole game. The other kid was actually good and helpful.

Anyways, it feels like a solid game, but like any Valve game, it probably plays better on the PC.

I'm picking this up tomorrow. Let me know if you want to get some games in.

[Sofa King Kool]

I've played through the demo about seven times now. I know I have an awful connection here at school, and I'll never be able to play this online, but I really don't think I can resist getting this game. Even if it means just playing with bots. It's just too cool.

[Ice2Dragon]

*Crosses fingers some stores will have this in today*

[Calamityuponthee]

My Gamestop won't be getting it until tomorrow @ noon.. pretty lame.

[Sofa King Kool]

Just tried playing about six online games. Lagged out of every one :cry:

[erectiontown]

Ign = 9.0

[Reck_Havoc]

Ign = 9.0

Here's the link: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/930/930859p1.html

Pretty well done review.

[Ice2Dragon]

POS.

Best buy HAS THEM NOW.

But cant sell til tomorrow.. what garbage.

So check your stores guys :)

[Soodmeg]

Damn gamestop wont get this till noon tomorrow. Weak!

Someone set up a CAGL4D so we can get right into it.

[crunchb3rry]

Awesome, Amazon is starting to ship. Might show up on the 18th afterall, instead of the 19th.

[Soodmeg]

Man, Ign has the worst voice over aside from gamestop. Christ its like daggers listening to these guys.

[slickkill77]

Well mine got shipped today with the 4 day shipping or maybe the free one. I dont remember

[Young Deezy]

I ordered this with fast shipping on Amazon.com, and they still haven't gave me the confirmation of them shipping it yet.

[John Ketch]

Damn gamestop wont get this till noon tomorrow. Weak!

Someone set up a CAGL4D so we can get right into it.

FYI I tried adding that tag but Xbox Live said it doesn't exist.

[Chronotrigga]

I registered "CAGL4D" so, if you're interested in joining the group, I'll add you ASAP. :)

[John Ketch]

I registered "CAGL4D" so, if you're interested in joining the group, I'll add you ASAP. :)

Awesome, I should have it from Amazon soon. I got the free shipping, so who knows when I'll get it.

[crunchb3rry]

I registered "CAGL4D" so, if you're interested in joining the group, I'll add you ASAP. :)

What do you mean? A dummy account to use the Friends of Friends feature?

[Soodmeg]

Yeah trigga send me a invite whenever you can.

[sj41]

Demo's great, I'm thinking about buying it, but I already have so many games. Tough decision.

[Ice2Dragon]

Ill play

Ice2Dragon

[ivanctorres]

Chrono- invite please. I will have this game tomorrow.

[gareman]

I Am down for some online play tomorrow.

I'll be picking it up at around noon (along with a gold subscription card) and will probably beat single on normal to get a feel for the game, but then its online for the rest of the day.

[Chronotrigga]

What do you mean? A dummy account to use the Friends of Friends feature?

Yep! Does the NXE update do something different now? Also, I'll be sending out invites today if the FoF Feature is still available.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I was reading on neogaf that a the typical time it takes to play through a complete "movie" is around 1.5 to 2 hours. Holy Shit! I don't think I have that amount of time to devote to playing each night and I really have no interest in the single player game at all.

I was going to do the Gamestop "trade 2 get a new game for $20" deal for L4D but now I'm not sure. I love the demo but having to set aside an hour and a half just to play through one level isn't going to work for me I don't think.

Once you guys start actually playing, give us an update as to how long it takes to make it through a level.

[slickkill77]

The ign review said the 4 scenarios take 30 minutes each. Therefore the whole game = 2 hours

[Soodmeg]

Only a couple hours left.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

The ign review said the 4 scenarios take 30 minutes each. Therefore the whole game = 2 hours

At Normal difficulty.

Once you start going to Advanced or Expert, it is going to take much longer. Hell, it can take 30 minutes to beat the 1.5 level demo on Expert.

I'll wait until you guys tell me this is wrong, I can't pick up the game until later this week anyway.

[homeland]

Whose going to be on tonight for some co-op!!?

[gareman]

Whose going to be on tonight for some co-op!!?

Me. ME ME ME

[gareman]

Got it! WOOO

Does anyone want to play it co-op soon?

[homeland]

about to go get it.. but won't be on till tonight. Save room for me later for co-op!

[Sofa King Kool]

Just watched 28 Days Later last night to celebrate the zombie goodness, even though I'm not getting the game today...

[homeland]

A heads up to those that pre-ordered at GS. I just picked up my copy and was halfway home and notice that they didn't take the $5 off for pre-ordering. Went back and the employee fixed it.

[gareman]

A heads up to those that pre-ordered at GS. I just picked up my copy and was halfway home and notice that they didn't take the $5 off for pre-ordering. Went back and the employee fixed it.

same thing when I picked mine up.

[homeland]

apparently there was something in the early beta email we all got that we needed to print out and bring with us when we bought.. All I saw was the beta code..Though I wasn't really looking for anything else in that email.

[Reck_Havoc]

The ign review said the 4 scenarios take 30 minutes each. Therefore the whole game = 2 hours

First playthrough on Normal difficulty on the No Mercy scenario took 1 hour 15 minutes, but it could be due to a crappy team.

[A Happy Panda]

WTF the WHOLE game takes 2 hours to beat? I understand it's supposed to be different each time, but how different can you make the same 2 hours of gameplay?

[eswat]

You guys don't play TF2 much, huh? :lol:

[A Happy Panda]

You guys don't play TF2 much, huh? :lol:

But that's competitive. It's different. It's not as fun playing against mindless CPU zombies over and over in the same scenarios as it is against actual human players.

PS. I'd poop on you in TF2. :)

[gareman]

But that's competitive. It's different. It's not as fun playing against mindless CPU zombies over and over in the same scenarios as it is against actual human players.

PS. I'd poop on you in TF2. :)

you can also play as the zombies vs humans ya know

speaking of online play anyone up for it?

all may add geshaw3

[lllusion]

Not to troll, but I played the demo and I just couldn't find myself paying 60 dollars for this game.

[bigdaddybruce44]

I hope this game has a somewhat long life. After paying for Resistance 2 CE, MK vs. DC KE (when it was listed for $60 on Amazon), and Last Remnant (when it was $40 on Amazon), I really can't swing this right, now.

[bardockkun]

Got my copy if anyone wants to add.

[gareman]

I got an expert lobby open friends only

If anyone is interested

[homeland]

hey gareman would love to join.. but my 360 is gone to shit again.. the video is all messed up.. everything is green, wouldn't want to play on expert like that. Thanks for the invite though.

[Temporaryscars]

Did anyone else get fucked in the ass with the whole $5 off the perorder thing?

[homeland]

go back a page.. I brought that up... same thing happened to a couple of us.. Did you say anything? I mentioned it to my GS employee and he corrected it no problem.

[Temporaryscars]

Yes, I brought it back in and they said it was a system wide error and that I would have to bring it back when a manager was there.

I'm on hold with GS right now...

[A Happy Panda]

you can also play as the zombies vs humans ya know

speaking of online play anyone up for it?

all may add geshaw3

Yeah I know. I wouldn't be posting in this thread if I didn't know about the game.

The core of the game is the co-op, people seem to misunderstand this somehow.

Maybe I'm wrong and the competitive multiplayer, but from what I've been reading, that's not the case.

TF2 was made to be a competitive shooter from the ground up and had a storied lineage with the original TF for quake and TFC, while L4D was built to be a co-op game, with an added multiplayer feature which IS NOT a core part of the game. The game is billed as a co-op game, which is completely different from a competitve multiplayer game and people seem to misconstrue that.

I played CS and TFC for 4-5 years because of human competition. If those games only ever had bot support, you really think CS would still be played or that TFC would have spawned TF2? Hell no. Human competition is the core to those games and co-op is the core to L4D. Unfortunately, I just think that having co-op 4 player playing against CPU zombies is just not as fun as human players.

I hope I'm wrong since I'm picking up the game in like half an hour. I hope that the co-op can last beyond even just 6-8 hrs before you get bored of going through the same movies over and over.

[LegendK7ll3r]

Not to troll, but I played the demo and I just couldn't find myself paying 60 dollars for this game.

Did you play the demo with multiplayer, and was it above the "Normal" setting? If not, I understand why you didn't like it.

If you want it to be fun, up the difficulty, and play with people online or with friends, then you'll see where this game shines.

[crunchb3rry]

I love reading the messages on safehouse walls. Some are serious, some are just downright hillarious.

[seanr1221]

Anyone want to help me and Temp beat this level?

[Temporaryscars]

We need help!

[Calamityuponthee]

Damn, this game is awesome. Too bad my mics broke.

[Ice2Dragon]

I love reading the messages on safehouse walls. Some are serious, some are just downright hillarious.

the one about the guy killing zombies bare handed.

then right below it saying he died to friendly fire.

i laughed for like five minutes lool

[Temporaryscars]

Wow. The CAG Community are a bunch of DICKS!

[Chronotrigga]

Don't have the game yet, unfortunately. :(

[Temporaryscars]

Yeah, nobody does.

[crunchb3rry]

So did some people get porked by Amazon? Mine was supposed to come on the 19th but the shipping notification said the 18th and sure as shit it showed up today. Where'd you order from Chronotrigga?