Left 4 Dead - Gen. Discussion & Info

[Ink.So.Well.]

the dash trick is so lame. I don't know why anyone would glitch these achievements. Isn't the purpose of this whole system to try new things and strive for something while having fun? Whats so fun about glitching the system and getting awarded a bunch of useless points. I personally use achievements as a checklist for all the cool things I've done in video games. I don't really plan on adding cheated to that checklist.

LOL.

Cry me a river.

I haven't the slightest idea as to what compelled you to waltz in here at random and care enough to judge another player for their method of choice when achievement hunting given the fact it really is none of your business. If you don't want to cheat, that's fine. I couldn't care less. You certainly won't see me standing atop my jewel encrusted platinum holier than thou soapbox to preach to you about the ills of cheating in a game. :roll:

What's so fun about averaging an obscene number of hours a week night or weekend with friends drudging along through campaigns only to die repeatedly to Tanks spawning without the benefit of a music cue inside of narrow hallways?

How many Expert campaigns have you played from start to finish, huh?

Do you have any idea how much of a jackass you sound like right now?

God forbid some people either can't afford to or have no desire what so ever dedicating the time it WOULD take to earn some of the most irritating L4D achievements legitimately. Especially when or if they've already broken their necks trying to do it the legit way only to die because the AI Director felt like spawning Special Infected vast array of situations where it knew you couldn't do a damn thing about it. Or because the bot AI is so damn retarded you'd be better off killing them yourself before they get you killed.

How about you either teach us "cheating losers" how to play better or shut the f*ck up and leave.

[Trakan]

the dash trick is so lame. I don't know why anyone would glitch these achievements. Isn't the purpose of this whole system to try new things and strive for something while having fun? Whats so fun about glitching the system and getting awarded a bunch of useless points. I personally use achievements as a checklist for all the cool things I've done in video games. I don't really plan on adding cheated to that checklist.

Expert Blood Harvest is NOT fun.

[Lord_Kefka]

seriously? have you played all the way through expert blood harvest? ive spent hours on the finale itself. itd be impossible just to get people together that are able to spend the amount of time it requires.

while i agree with your feeling on achievements in general it doesnt apply to expert runs on l4d, especially blood harvest expert runs.

False. Check back a few pages. A group of friends and I did this the full way through.

[BostonCollegeFan]

I need to kill some zombies after wanting to kill myself from Akuma's bs on SSF2THD. Anyone wanna play like right now? Must have voice chat please <3

[Ink.So.Well.]

I'm definitely interested in a couple of games so I'll send you a FR real quick.

[A Happy Panda]

Expert Blood Harvest is NOT fun.

Just caz you suck at it...

[sublime90]

hey everyone! i got this game when it first came out but finally got around to playing it now. id really like to find a group of us who want to go through the entire campaign with me. i only beat "no mercy" so far. on "death toll" me and the random people keep making it to end part where you wait for the boat and everyone just leaves the game. so im by myself with the AI and we never make it. so like i said id love to get a solid group of people who are willing to play through the game with me. my gamertag is sublime90 feel free to add me and i'll be willing to play when ever i can. peace

[Ink.So.Well.]

Still available for Expert campaign runs so if you see me on Live you know what to do.

[Galego23]

my xbox should be shipping out today so probably getting it back soon

[Anexanhume]

My bad. It's only because I'm lazy and you never specified plus writing "Ane" comes across as rather feminine to me. Most people butcher my Live tag even after I've provided an explanation in my profile so I can sort of relate.

I can start calling you Wrex though if you're more partial to that. :D

Anyway, I'm on for tonight. I'm itching to help kill more Tanks on Expert.


It's ok, it's actually amusing :D I've found Anex works, or my real name is Chris.

I didn't play normal time last night because I was waiting later than usual for a call with my fiancee. My guess is I'll be on again tonight. Up for any expert run or some sort of achievement run (I got unbreakable earlier last night).

[Ink.So.Well.]

my xbox should be shipping out today so probably getting it back soon

Ill. Very fucking ill. Keep us posted my friend.

Anex: Anex it is, haha. Congratulations on Unbreakable btw. So the party set up I had last time works best for you? Let me know whenever you can.

[Anexanhume]

Ill. Very fucking ill. Keep us posted my friend.

Anex: Anex it is, haha. Congratulations on Unbreakable btw. So the party set up I had last time works best for you? Let me know whenever you can.

I was on last night but you were the only friend I saw so I didn't invite you. I suppose I'll probably be on again tonight. I have 3/4 levels on expert, so I think I'm only missing death toll, but I'm up for anything. Long way to go to genocide achievement.

[Lord_Kefka]

I have to air a pet peeve right now. Not to pick on the guy but I just left a comment in the blog of someone who reviewed Left 4 Dead who said it was short. 40 to 50 minutes per campaign. I've seen this in tons of "professional" reviews on game sites and player reviews as well. And it just feels untrue and a deterrent to people reading the reviews to pick the game up. Anyone playing even advanced knows the game goes longer. Expert to me feels like the "true" experience since it so often ends in screaming and a hail of bullets. Who's with me?

[Anexanhume]

I have to air a pet peeve right now. Not to pick on the guy but I just left a comment in the blog of someone who reviewed Left 4 Dead who said it was short. 40 to 50 minutes per campaign. I've seen this in tons of "professional" reviews on game sites and player reviews as well. And it just feels untrue and a deterrent to people reading the reviews to pick the game up. Anyone playing even advanced knows the game goes longer. Expert to me feels like the "true" experience since it so often ends in screaming and a hail of bullets. Who's with me?

Sure. This game is a multiplayer game that happens to have a single player experience, as opposed to the other way around. Multiplayer games have inherently more re-playability, so people really need to take this into account when they review the game.

[IvanHood]

Sure. This game is a multiplayer game that happens to have a single player experience, as opposed to the other way around. Multiplayer games have inherently more re-playability, so people really need to take this into account when they review the game.

Absolutely. I mean, Single Player is the third option in the menu for god's sake.

On another note, I am down for playing any time today if someone wants to do some expert runs or even form a VS team.

[Ink.So.Well.]

^Ditto. I just can't stay long because of work and all.

[Anexanhume]

Well, now it definitely looks like I'll be looking forward to blowing off some steam tonight, so bring on teh zombeez!

[Soodmeg]

Man just tried to do the dashboard glitch and it didnt work.

Bah.

[Galego23]

Man just tried to do the dashboard glitch and it didnt work.

Bah.


Did you go idle at all?

[Ink.So.Well.]

Man just tried to do the dashboard glitch and it didnt work.

Bah.

If you still haven't gotten the hang of it then team up with me and Ivan tonight. It never fails for us.

[Soodmeg]

No I didnt go idle at all.

I am still trying to get nothing special and I would love to team up ink so well.

Thanks.

[Soodmeg]

FUCKING BULLSHIT!

I just went through the entire fucking game and not once did anyone get hit by anything and we didnt get nothing special. What the fuck.

[Ink.So.Well.]

Wow. Now I hope people realize why some of us have resorted to cheating in this game. I lost count of how many legit campaign runs I did on different difficulties and STILL didn't get it because a bot got hit for doing something extremely stupid or the AI director spawned a Hunter/Boomer/Smoker right behind me just as I was about to make the rescue.

After a while you just can't take it anymore.

Trust me. Team up with us tonight and we'll knock that shit out on Dead Air. Guaranteed.

[Soodmeg]

What time tonight and can I bring 1 friend? Me and him have been trying to do just nothing special for a while now. (EST by the way)

You are right, I simply can not take it anymore. I dont care how the hell I get this just as long as I do. I have been trying to get this so long that is making me not like the game anymore which is sad.

[Irukandji]

Hey I'm also down to play if anybody wants to. I'll be up til like 4am.

[Ink.So.Well.]

We need as many people as we can get because we usually can't find enough to form a whole party so bring him along. Plans may change so subs are definitely welcome. As for a time we're usually ready to play or at least setting up a party around and waiting for more people to show up around 8 - 9 EST.

[Soodmeg]

Alright Inksowell I am getting on in about 10 min and I am looking to get that cheese man.

[HydroX]

I play this game religiously. Ever since I bought it after Thanksgiving, it has not left my 360 since.

If anyone wants to play sometime, throw me an invite or a friend request.

[Soodmeg]

All I have to say is fuck this game sideways.

[IvanHood]

All I have to say is fuck this game sideways.

I fell asleep really early yesterday. I take it you guys didn't get Nothing Special? Does the dashboard glitch still work?

[Soodmeg]

Yeah it still works but it for some reason would not unlock for me and my friend. We tried doing it for about 4 hours and still didnt get it.

Anex got a few cheese though but either the game would spawn a hunter right on top of us or a boomer would be standing in the god damn plane when we tried to jump down.

I want to try again in a few days though.

[Ink.So.Well.]

The closest we ever got was when a Smoker grabbed someone from the team for not even A FULL SECOND AND THEY STILL DIDN'T GET IT AFTER WE FINISHED WITHOUT BEING TOUCHED BY ANOTHER SPECIAL INFECTED. The initial encounter didn't even damage anyone!

Bullshit is the only word I can think of to accurately describe such an infuriating moment. As I've said before in the past whomever said you can get Nothing Special even if you are touched by special infected had their game glitch or they weren't paying attention. WTH VALVE @ YOUR HARDEST ACHIEVEMENTS CONVENIENTLY LEAVING OUT CRITICAL INFORMATION LIKE THIS. I had to find out the hard way and for once I'm disappointed to have been correct all along.

I'm definitely down to help you guys out again. Just say the word and I'm there. I feel like a major dick for making a guarantee the game refused to let me honor. ;\

[Anexanhume]

The closest we ever got was when a Smoker grabbed someone from the team for not even A FULL SECOND AND THEY STILL DIDN'T GET IT AFTER WE FINISHED WITHOUT BEING TOUCHED BY ANOTHER SPECIAL INFECTED. The initial encounter didn't even damage anyone!

Bullshit is the only word I can think of to accurately describe such an infuriating moment. As I've said before in the past whomever said you can get Nothing Special even if you are touched by special infected had their game glitch or they weren't paying attention. WTH VALVE @ YOUR HARDEST ACHIEVEMENTS CONVENIENTLY LEAVING OUT CRITICAL INFORMATION LIKE THIS. I had to find out the hard way and for once I'm disappointed to have been correct all along.

I'm definitely down to help you guys out again. Just say the word and I'm there. I feel like a major dick for making a guarantee the game refused to let me honor. ;\

What the game did to us last night was criminal :D

I'll be up for it again tonight. I'll probably be playing HL2 so send an invite if you see me online and don't have a full party yet.

[IvanHood]

Anybody up for some expert campaigning right now? Either PM me here or shoot me an XBL friend request.

[Ronin317]

I finally was able to pick up L4D...Anyone feel like showing a L4D n00b the ropes? I think only one other person in my Clan has it (Dark Horse Gamers), so I need to find some peeps to slay some zombies with...

Drop me an invite!

[Soodmeg]

FUCK YAY! FUCK YAY! Thats right.

Finally got Nothing Special thus completing my 1000/1000 for L4D all legit expect for the before mentioned nothing special.

Feels like the weight of the world is off my shoulders.

[Ink.So.Well.]

Heh.

Congratulations man.

[menikmati]

FUCK YAY! FUCK YAY! Thats right.

Finally got Nothing Special thus completing my 1000/1000 for L4D all legit expect for the before mentioned nothing special.

Feels like the weight of the world is off my shoulders.

Congrats on the 1000/1000!

I'm currently getting back into Forza 2, trying to get all the achievements in that game too.

[Galego23]

Thursday.

I hope, lol.

[Soodmeg]

Thanks guys.

[IvanHood]

Anybody up for a little zombie hunting tonight?

[dastly75]

damn it microsoft certfication, release this patch already

[Ink.So.Well.]

Anybody up for a little zombie hunting tonight?

You came in at the right time to ask. Cmart got his new box and we're planning on knocking out those Versus achievements tonight. We could use a third and forth so if anyone is interested send us a friend request.

I'm not sure what time (he's got class) but we'll probably start at the usual time (between 9 & 10 EST).

[IvanHood]

You came in at the right time to ask. Cmart got his new box and we're planning on knocking out those Versus achievements tonight. We could use a third and forth so if anyone is interested send us a friend request.

I'm not sure what time (he's got class) but we'll probably start at the usual time (between 9 & 10 EST).

Nice, count me in for sure.

[KiLL3r]

Looks like we're getting L4D DLC in the spring (http://kotaku.com/5147229/left-4-dead-survival-pack-unveiled), A new Mode called survival and 2 campaign levels.

[seanr1221]

Looks like we're getting L4D DLC in the spring (http://kotaku.com/5147229/left-4-dead-survival-pack-unveiled), A new Mode called survival and 2 campaign levels.

Glad I kept the game.

[bardockkun]

Looks like we're getting L4D DLC in the spring (http://kotaku.com/5147229/left-4-dead-survival-pack-unveiled), A new Mode called survival and 2 campaign levels.
Campaign VERSUS levels meaning Dead Air and Death Toll are going to be playable in Versus mode.

[Ink.So.Well.]

If this 'Survival' mode is akin to Gears 2's Horde mode then I'm excited to have more excuses to ditch hunting for Zombie Genocidest in favor of completing Mass Effect until Spring. :D

Oh, and there is no way in hell I'm going to touch that mode with randoms.

[blitz6speed]

I finally decided to try out L4D, its in the backlog and i was wanting a change from my usual HD Remix sessions. I have to honestly say i really disliked the game. The graphics are pretty bad right off the bat, it looks cheap, and i dont like how there is no zooming in to shoot. Feels old doom/duke nukem style. I just played some of the single player campaign by myself and just got bored of it. In fact, i turned it off and played that Doritos free game and had a blast, thats one heck of a fun title, cannot believe its free!!!

Im hoping if i hop online with good folks the game gets much better, but as of right now, i pretty much think it sucks. I went back to PoP and it is so polished and modern in comparison. The attention to detail and flow of the game is so much better. I really wanted to love L4D too, since the concept is just great.

[Soodmeg]

Actually it sounds like you disliked the game before you even opened it. Dont get me wrong its your opinion and you can dislike what ever you want but once a guy spends 80% of his time talking about graphics you know he is reaching.

It said you disliked the game which is valid but it sounds like you have no idea why you dislike the game because a comparison to Doom or Duke Nukem barely even makes sense.

I dont think you will have fun playing online if you dont like single player.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I didn't like the game at all after my first playing. But after I got in a good party of people I realized the pure aweseomess of it. Get a good group going and then give it a try.

[Galego23]

Left 4 Dead sucks for single-player, it's only worth playing on Live and imo it's the best Live game out, right now.

[IvanHood]

Left 4 Dead sucks for single-player, it's only worth playing on Live and imo it's the best Live game out, right now.

I agree with this. This game was meant to be a multiplayer experience, and it's a blast when you get a good group together on Live.

[jello00]

Just got this from a fellow CAG and I'm looking to play with some people (I know... I know... I'm a bit late)

I've been playing the online versus mode and now I want to go through the campaign mode with a full group. Anyone interested? Just add me to your friends list.

Thanks!

[benjamouth]

I'm dissapointed with that DLC, I was hoping for a completely new campaign.

Might just trade my copy in now.

[Galego23]

idk if this was posted but lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRVIC7kS4s

[Xavin]

I need this game >.>

[bs000]

http://www.roosterteeth.com/img.php?dir=media&m=1&f=9_4991a82797048

[Owen]

Do not know if this has been posted before but it is NSFW.

http://zoeygetssomelolz.ytmnd.com/

[Xavin]

idk if this was posted but lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRVIC7kS4s
Thats fuckin great lol.

[Xavin]

Do not know if this has been posted before but it is NSFW.

http://zoeygetssomelolz.ytmnd.com/
Now thats just weird.

[Owen]

Now thats just weird.

If you just look at the url, you can kind of tell what to expect from that link. Someone had too much time on their hands when going through all the game sounds.

[Xavin]

If you just look at the url, you can kind of tell what to expect from that link. Someone had too much time on their hands when going through all the game sounds.
I realize that but still lol.

[Ink.So.Well.]

Do not know if this has been posted before but it is NSFW.

http://zoeygetssomelolz.ytmnd.com/

Yet more irrefutable proof Zoey loves the dark meat.

[Xavin]

Yet more irrefutable proof Zoey loves the dark meat.
lololololololol

[Ink.So.Well.]

Seriously though I loathe Zoey, but got super bored in a party once and tested out her reactions to certain players. Out of all of them not only does her voice get distinctively softer for Louis, but he's the ONLY one she says she'll miss whenever he dies.

It's frickin' hilarious.

[GRNDHOG]

how in the heck did the "Almost theerrree, Almost Theeerrreeee" that she sometimes says not make it into that clip?

[eswat]

The DLC will be free (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/57194).

[Bretters]

Yay! I was afraid they were going to abandon it.

[Ink.So.Well.]

So I WAS right! Survival is almost exactly like Horde Mode and the DLC is FREE? I don't know how they swung it but Value officially wins at life.

[Trakan]

It's probably because it's shit that should have been in the game since launch.

[moojuice]

At least 12 maps for survival? Sounds good to me.

[Galego23]

So I WAS right! Survival is almost exactly like Horde Mode and the DLC is FREE? I don't know how they swung it but Value officially wins at life.

haha nice... I hope this is just one of many DLC to come...

[Galego23]

the L4D forums on Valves site are a fucking joke.. geez

[Ink.So.Well.]

the L4D forums on Valves site are a fucking joke.. geez

How so?

[Reck_Havoc]

It's probably because it's shit that should have been in the game since launch.

Naw, it had more than enough content at release. Obviously Microsoft backed down, as they love every bit of money they can get.

Microsoft - 0

Valve - 1

[IvanHood]

Good news on the free DLC. Also, I finally managed to get All 4 Dead last night, so now all I have left are Zombie Genocidest and Lamb 2 Slaughter. Looking forward to some good Surival games!

[A Happy Panda]

Naw, it had more than enough content at release. Obviously Microsoft backed down, as they love every bit of money they can get.

Microsoft - 0

Valve - 1

Mmm no. Trakan's right. The game should have come with more. Why the fuck would anyone pay to get ACCESS to shit that you can already play in one mode but not in another? This whole thing should never have been called DLC and instead a "patch" since all it does is give the player more access to features they already paid for. And Survivor mode probably cost them very little. A few lines of code telling the game when and how many Zombies to throw at the player at a certain time on maps they already own should not cost the player any money.

I expect Valve to do this with the Orange Box, if the fabled patch ever comes out for TF2. I expect a free patch that fixes and re-balances the game to match the PC version, but a pay-for-DLC pack of new maps and modes.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Seriously, there's no reason all the maps shouldn't have been playable in all modes at launch.

I hope we get some real DLC besides the new mode.

[Kaijufan]

Seriously, there's no reason all the maps shouldn't have been playable in all modes at launch.

Maybe they didn't have time to polish all the maps to an acceptable level?

Of course since I have the PC version of Left 4 Dead I was never worried about paying for this content. ;)

[Trakan]

Naw, it had more than enough content at release. Obviously Microsoft backed down, as they love every bit of money they can get.

Microsoft - 0

Valve - 1

There's really no excuse as to why they didn't have the other two campaigns available in versus mode. If they weren't finished, the game shouldn't have launched when it did. It wasn't done. I understand they want to get it out for the Holiday, but to ship it unfinished is inexcusable.

I'm also willing to bet those 12 "maps" they're touting are just different spots in each of the 4 campaigns. "Survival" is probably already on the disc already, just needs to be activated.

All shit that should have been available from the start.

[Galego23]

at least it's FREE.

[dastly75]

Eh I've enjoyed the hell out of L4D despite the crowded holiday season. I couldn't afford to play some other games(I still haven't for some) but the replay value with friends made me pick it over other games. I can wait patiently for the new content; I don't think they've hurt the game itself by releasing it last Fall.

[Kaijufan]

There's really no excuse as to why they didn't have the other two campaigns available in versus mode. If they weren't finished, the game shouldn't have launched when it did. It wasn't done. I understand they want to get it out for the Holiday, but to ship it unfinished is inexcusable.

I'm also willing to bet those 12 "maps" they're touting are just different spots in each of the 4 campaigns. "Survival" is probably already on the disc already, just needs to be activated.

All shit that should have been available from the start.
From what I understand Left 4 Dead had the biggest marketing campaign of any Valve game. I would imagine that pushing the release date back wasn't really a possibility.

And if Valve releases the other two campaigns in Versus mode for free why does it matter if it takes a few months? I would much rather wait a few months for a highly polished versions of the two campaigns then have half assed ones when game comes out. Valve is well known for the high amount of polish their games have, and if they felt the 2 campaigns weren't ready for versus mode then I'm willing to trust their judgment.

I imagine that the survival maps will be modified versions of the existing maps, but I seriously doubt it's already on the disk. Team Fortress 2 has received a bunch of free updates from Valve, and I would imagine this L4D update is just and extension of their TF2 update philosophy.

[Trakan]

I agree that it being free is a good thing. I'm not shitting on the fact that it's taking a few months, I'm just saying that everyone who's saying "Valve - 1, MS - 0" and "I'm glad it's free!" that the shit should have been free in the first place.

[Anexanhume]

From what I understand Left 4 Dead had the biggest marketing campaign of any Valve game. I would imagine that pushing the release date back wasn't really a possibility.

And if Valve releases the other two campaigns in Versus mode for free why does it matter if it takes a few months? I would much rather wait a few months for a highly polished versions of the two campaigns then have half assed ones when game comes out. Valve is well known for the high amount of polish their games have, and if they felt the 2 campaigns weren't ready for versus mode then I'm willing to trust their judgment.

I imagine that the survival maps will be modified versions of the existing maps, but I seriously doubt it's already on the disk. Team Fortress 2 has received a bunch of free updates from Valve, and I would imagine this L4D update is just and extension of their TF2 update philosophy.

I can attest to that. I saw billboards and buses with L4D plastered on them. I think that's the first time I've ever seen a billboard for a game.

[Galego23]

I don't know.. I work in NYC and the only billboards I've seen for games was GTA IV lol

[Tsukento]

Glad we're going to be getting it free. Now if only Microsoft would get off Valve's back and let them bring the Team Fortress 2 updates to the 360 for free as well.

[A Happy Panda]

Glad we're going to be getting it free. Now if only Microsoft would get off Valve's back and let them bring the Team Fortress 2 updates to the 360 for free as well.

They're gonna patch it pro bono, but expect to pay for the new maps/modes. You can't expect MS to let Valve give actual content out on the marketplace for free. This L4D "DLC" can hardly be considered content since they're just changing the content that you already own and paid for.

[jello00]

Is anyone still playing this? I got it recently and really want to play some co-op with people. Just add me to your friends list. (Warning: you may have to save my character several times :))

[Ink.So.Well.]

Still playing and still have a few achievements left whenever I feel like getting off my lazy ass to hunt for them. I'll add you.

[thebattlebegins]

I got the game a while ago, and played it non stop for like a week but then I got tired of it fast. Hopefully the DLC will bring the game back into my 360. What's really annoying is that the PC gamers get all the DLC for free :(

[Galego23]

I've been stuck just trying to get Dead Space over and done with.. I'm down to play this weekend.

[Reck_Havoc]

There's really no excuse as to why they didn't have the other two campaigns available in versus mode. If they weren't finished, the game shouldn't have launched when it did. It wasn't done. I understand they want to get it out for the Holiday, but to ship it unfinished is inexcusable.

I'm also willing to bet those 12 "maps" they're touting are just different spots in each of the 4 campaigns. "Survival" is probably already on the disc already, just needs to be activated.

All shit that should have been available from the start.

Don't be dumb, they didn't release the game unfinished... so two campaign maps were missing from versus, did they promise those 2 maps on release..? No, you just expected them.

Yeah your totally right about survival, it's already on the disc and just needs to be activated, because Valve is totally known for removing content so they can give it away for FREE. Unbelievable.

Who the hell are you trying to kid, this is Valve, not Namco.

Mmm no. Trakan's right. The game should have come with more. Why the fuck would anyone pay to get ACCESS to shit that you can already play in one mode but not in another? This whole thing should never have been called DLC and instead a "patch" since all it does is give the player more access to features they already paid for. And Survivor mode probably cost them very little. A few lines of code telling the game when and how many Zombies to throw at the player at a certain time on maps they already own should not cost the player any money.

I expect Valve to do this with the Orange Box, if the fabled patch ever comes out for TF2. I expect a free patch that fixes and re-balances the game to match the PC version, but a pay-for-DLC pack of new maps and modes.

What stupid logic, try reading the back of Left 4 Dead, or anywhere that lists the specifications of L4D, no where does it mention that 4 campaign maps will be included in versus, so you actually did get what you paid for. You believe your entitled to something that was never promised to you in the first place, pretty stupid if you ask me. Take some time and check how long and tedious it is to transform these maps over to versus, as a PC mod has already been made.

And it is DLC, not a patch.. patch's generally do not include new gametypes and extra maps. What about games that charge you $5 for an extra character (Soul Calibur 4), or how about $25 worth of DLC that actually makes it the full version (Lumines)

Probably cost them very little, all they had to do was add a line of code..? Oh I forgot, you program for Valve, and obviously help market the game too. Hilarious though, as this "code" you described is actually what the AI director does, but you program for Valve remember, so that's alright. I don't remember reading anywhere that survivor mode will be played on maps we already own, but I guess you know everything.

They're gonna patch it pro bono, but expect to pay for the new maps/modes. You can't expect MS to let Valve give actual content out on the marketplace for free. This L4D "DLC" can hardly be considered content since they're just changing the content that you already own and paid for.

Why can't we expect MS to give content out for free..? Shouldn't that be one benefit of Xbox Live gold, instead of exclusive demos and online play. Doesn't matter anyway, the PC gets all the patches first, higher resolutions, mods that create new campaigns, etc. (Already a dawn of the dead campaign almost finished) as well as all the DLC.. plus I'd hate to play with the same people who play Halo 3 and COD, downright scary.

I agree that it being free is a good thing. I'm not shitting on the fact that it's taking a few months, I'm just saying that everyone who's saying "Valve - 1, MS - 0" and "I'm glad it's free!" that the shit should have been free in the first place.

Hilarious you say this "patch" should have been free.. I mean for fucks sake, Xbox Live SHOULD have been free in the frist place. You whine about getting something for free, that YOU think should have been in the game in the first place, but yet you have no trouble spending $50 a year for nothing more than P2P online gaming... oh, and exclusive demos.

And for good measure, Valve >> Microsoft

[ZForce915]

I'd like an opinion on this game. If I were to mostly play this single player would I still enjoy it? And how is the multiplayer with strangers? I have a small handful of people on my FL that play this but we aren't usually on at the same times.

Thanks for you input.

[Galego23]

Lol

[xycury]

I'd like an opinion on this game. If I were to mostly play this single player would I still enjoy it? And how is the multiplayer with strangers? I have a small handful of people on my FL that play this but we aren't usually on at the same times.

Thanks for you input.

computer controlled AI isn't great, I was bored with them after the initial chapter of solo play. Playing with real people is so much better....

as long as those people aren't assphats, which there are alot of them out there.

[Galego23]

ZForce, you generally get a worse experience playing with randoms than with playing with friends.. but you can add anyone of us in here if you ever want to play a game.

[paddlefoot]

Don't be dumb, they didn't release the game unfinished... so two campaign maps were missing from versus, did they promise those 2 maps on release..? No, you just expected them.

Yeah your totally right about survival, it's already on the disc and just needs to be activated, because Valve is totally known for removing content so they can give it away for FREE. Unbelievable.

Who the hell are you trying to kid, this is Valve, not Namco.



What stupid logic, try reading the back of Left 4 Dead, or anywhere that lists the specifications of L4D, no where does it mention that 4 campaign maps will be included in versus, so you actually did get what you paid for. You believe your entitled to something that was never promised to you in the first place, pretty stupid if you ask me. Take some time and check how long and tedious it is to transform these maps over to versus, as a PC mod has already been made.

And it is DLC, not a patch.. patch's generally do not include new gametypes and extra maps. What about games that charge you $5 for an extra character (Soul Calibur 4), or how about $25 worth of DLC that actually makes it the full version (Lumines)

Probably cost them very little, all they had to do was add a line of code..? Oh I forgot, you program for Valve, and obviously help market the game too. Hilarious though, as this "code" you described is actually what the AI director does, but you program for Valve remember, so that's alright. I don't remember reading anywhere that survivor mode will be played on maps we already own, but I guess you know everything.



Why can't we expect MS to give content out for free..? Shouldn't that be one benefit of Xbox Live gold, instead of exclusive demos and online play. Doesn't matter anyway, the PC gets all the patches first, higher resolutions, mods that create new campaigns, etc. (Already a dawn of the dead campaign almost finished) as well as all the DLC.. plus I'd hate to play with the same people who play Halo 3 and COD, downright scary.



Hilarious you say this "patch" should have been free.. I mean for fucks sake, Xbox Live SHOULD have been free in the frist place. You whine about getting something for free, that YOU think should have been in the game in the first place, but yet you have no trouble spending $50 a year for nothing more than P2P online gaming... oh, and exclusive demos.

And for good measure, Valve >> Microsoft

Your coming across as a huge Valve apologist.

[Trakan]

Don't be dumb, they didn't release the game unfinished... so two campaign maps were missing from versus, did they promise those 2 maps on release..? No, you just expected them.

Oh yeah, I can't believe I expected all the maps that are available in campaign to be available in versus. There's a reason why it's free. It's shit that should have been there in the first place.

You comparing apples to oranges with this patch/DLC and paying for XBL. You're a Valve fanboy and I'm done with you.

[Reck_Havoc]

Oh yeah, I can't believe I expected all the maps that are available in campaign to be available in versus. There's a reason why it's free. It's shit that should have been there in the first place.

You comparing apples to oranges with this patch/DLC and paying for XBL. You're a Valve fanboy and I'm done with you.

Typical Microsoft fanboy response, this has nothing to do with me being a fanboy, this is responding to your stupid non-sense posts, that spread slander against a developer who doesn't deserve it.

You failed in your arguments, no apple or orange comparison here..so just be done with it.

Your coming across as a huge Valve apologist.

Awesome, you actually know what that means?

[sj41]

Typical Microsoft fanboy response, this has nothing to do with me being a fanboy, this is responding to your stupid non-sense posts, that spread slander against a developer who doesn't deserve it....your avatar is Half-Life.

[Lions]

It's a stupid argument all together, really.
Everyone has their opinions, no need to flame them just to try and prove a point.

[Soodmeg]

Actually I agree with Havoc you guys are coming across as whiny bitches. Why did you expect all the maps from campaign to be in versus right away? They never said it was going to be...they said they would release them at a later date beacuse for some reason or another they couldnt by release. I guess we should hate a company that is actually honest sometimes.

As Havoc said a ton of games are release with entire game modes not included and half the time you are forced to get DLC to continue playing certain things online. How are you guys bitching for something free that isnt fluff and actually improves the game?

L4D is the most balanced, well thought out game that has been release in years. Not only that Valve listened directly to the Fans and you can see it in the very first patch/DLC. Everyone bitched about the smoker not being strong enough and now they patch it to be just like everyone wanted.

For fucks sake Valve still has support for Half Life 1. Out of all of the developers that claim to be about the fans Valve is the closest to it. I just dont get what your complaint is....Valve is heads and shoulders above any other company as far as fan support for the last couple years and you are crying because they didnt have 2 maps at the beginning but are bringing them to you for free when we all know Mircosoft is about charging for DLC.

I mean what the hell else do you want them to do? That exploit where people could spawn witches and tanks....patched......people complained about the smoker being to weak....patched...more maps and for free with a new game mode...coming soon. All the while.....aren't people still waiting for Gears of War 2 multiplayer to be actually...you know...playable?

[dastly75]

Hey it's the internet, people have to find something to bitch about.

[Full Metal XL]

Hey it's the internet, people have to find something to bitch about.

Heh...this is true. For instance, right now I wanna bitch about how I can't get the Crownd achievement to save my ass! Normally, I'm not an achievement point whore, but my girlfriend and I have a rivalry in points for certain games, and she pissed at me for getting more points in her game, DOA4. Now she's threatening to do the same to me in my favorite game L4D, plus add insult to injury by getting the one I can't seem to get before I do. :hot:

Grrrr...I can't have that! :bomb: Fellow CAGs, help a mate out and let me know the secret to getting this elusive thing, please?

[moojuice]

Just put it on easy. Use an auto shotty. When she starts to get up, wait until she is almost fully standing, then shoot her in the teeth.

[Galego23]

Just put it on easy. Use an auto shotty. When she starts to get up, wait until she is almost fully standing, then shoot her in the teeth.

I got the achievement on expert, just walk up to her with lights off of course and just starting popping off as many rounds as you can with your auto shotgun.

Having it on Easy you should have zero problems with this.

[Full Metal XL]

Ah, so I gotta wait till she's almost standing before a single shot counts? Duh...I've been sneaking up on her and blasting her in the back of the skull. Whoops.

Thanks, guys! :twisted:

[candy-o]

any one up for some co op

[Ink.So.Well.]

I'm pretty bored right now. I could go for a campaign or versus. I plan on delving into the Bring Down The Sky DLC of Mass Effect soon though so if you're interested you've got a small window to attract my attention, haha.

It's no secret I love me some Mass Effect. >_>;

[Kevlar281]

Picked it up today. I'm enjoying it.

[Tsukento]

An update kicked in early this morning while I was playing.

Seems like it's only visual updates for the Special Infected. You now have status bars showing your team mates' health when playing as the Infected. Tanks can now see what exactly they can punch around due to the punchable objects being highlighted in red.

That...seems about it, though. None of the glitches were patched.

[Galego23]

An update kicked in early this morning while I was playing.

Seems like it's only visual updates for the Special Infected. You now have status bars showing your team mates' health when playing as the Infected. Tanks can now see what exactly they can punch around due to the punchable objects being highlighted in red.

That...seems about it, though. None of the glitches were patched.

Yep, supposedly they're going to be porting the updates little by little.

[Tsukento]

Did a little research from other players.

-Smokers deal damage while pulling now, rather than just by strangulation or having the survivors next to them.
-Hunters have a shorter minimum pounce distance. No more overshooting what should be short hops.
-Boomers deal better melee damage.
-Tanks can now take four survivors with Shotguns better.

[Galego23]

Did a little research from other players.

-Smokers deal damage while pulling now, rather than just by strangulation or having the survivors next to them.
-Hunters have a shorter minimum pounce distance. No more overshooting what should be short hops.
-Boomers deal better melee damage.
-Tanks can now take four survivors with Shotguns better.


That's what they patched in the PC a month ago... but I'm still hearing it was only visual updates.

[xycury]

Did a little research from other players.

-Smokers deal damage while pulling now, rather than just by strangulation or having the survivors next to them.
-Hunters have a shorter minimum pounce distance. No more overshooting what should be short hops.
-Boomers deal better melee damage.
-Tanks can now take four survivors with Shotguns better.

Smoker update is great, I always thought they should deal damage.

Overshooting is still a problem though

Boomer's melee sucks...well melee for boomer in general.

Tanks always went down hard with shotguns, glad they fixed this.

So does the 360 get updated when the PC get updated too?

Just wondering ... they should come out with release notes of when they do, but I don't know if they ever show them in the update tab in Steam.

[jello00]

Anyone feel like playing a campaign tonight? I should be on around 7pm PST.

XBL: Jello01 (just add me)

[Ink.So.Well.]

I'm down and should be available so just send me a message when you sign in.

[Ronin317]

Ah, so I gotta wait till she's almost standing before a single shot counts? Duh...I've been sneaking up on her and blasting her in the back of the skull. Whoops.

Thanks, guys! :twisted:
I've been doing the same thing...I'm going to try this tonight...

[Tsukento]

So does the 360 get updated when the PC get updated too?
Definitely not. PC got a crap ton of updates that fixed glitches and tactics that are too difficult to get around (such as the survivors getting under the walkway of the Rooftop chapter in No Mercy and melee spamming everything while avoiding most damage until a Tank comes along).

It's taken them a while because Valve's been trying to work something out with Microsoft to allow them to make updates/DLC available for free. Team Fortress 2 got screwed because of Microsoft wanting to charge for updates.


One thing's for sure, Hunters disturbing Witches is STILL intact and funny as hell. :applause:

As for campaign, I need just Blood Harvest on Expert and I can finally get "What are you trying to prove?" But fuck, that's the hardest one on Expert. :bomb:

[Soodmeg]

Nice, at least a chunk of the update is live now.

Time to get back to being addicted to this.


Full patch list.

General
Fixed Survivors being able to climb surfaces marked for versus infected only Fixed a class of SurvivorBot bugs dealing with rescuing downed players Players can no longer grab ladders while flying through the air after a Tank punch Shooting near a car with an alarm that has already fired the alarm will no longer make chirping noises Fixed mini-gun physics exploit Fixed propane tanks (and other physics objects) causing players to fall through elevators Fixed rare achievement bug issues Fixed several map exploits

Versus Changes
Added HUD elements to show status of other infected players Fixed instance where a Survivor changing to the infected team would be attacked by infected bots Normalized special infected melee damage Fixed exploit where infected players could run away and teleport back to gain health Players can only change teams once per map Players can't change teams while other players are still loading Tank spawns at the same % through the map for both teams in versus mode Made the Tank and Witch spawn directly on the escape route Increased chance of getting the Tank or Witch Fixed team swap issue

Hunter
Easier to pounce a Survivor who is meleeing Increased Minimum damage a Hunter pounce does

Smoker
Fixed Smoker tongue tolerance
Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break Survivors cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer Fixed cases where the ability timer was not using the correct time Fixed case where you could point at a Survivor but not register a tongue hit Fixed Smoker tongue not targeting and landing properly through PZ ghosts Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors

Tank
Bashable objects now appear with a red glow Tanks hitting a car with an alarm disables the alarm permanently Tank frustration timer is only reset by hitting Survivors with rocks or fists Reduced autoshotgun damage against Tanks

Witch
Witch spawns at the same % through the map for both teams Avoids spawning within a certain % of the tank Fixed an exploit where the Witch could be woken up and tricked into attacking Survivors

[Tsukento]

Doesn't seem 100% accurate.

Quite a few things mentioned there were still doable, like freeing a survivor from a Smoker's tongue by bashing them before the Smoker can pull them in.

[Soodmeg]

Really? I just grabbed it from here.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/57384



I guess I will see later when I play.

[Galego23]

versus might actually be entertaining now.

[Galego23]

yo geist if they fixed the achievement glitches we might be able to unlock safety first finally.

[Ink.So.Well.]

yo geist if they fixed the achievement glitches we might be able to unlock safety first finally.

Oh my lulz... Don't jinx us man. Judging from our history with this damn game and that achievement those updates will unleash a whole new set of bullshit glitches that'll STILL prevent us for getting it. ;\

I'll totally start playing Versus on a regular basis though after we've gotten our console updates.

[Tsukento]

Huh. That's odd. Looks like a good number of stuff from the update started to pop up eventually.

Also worth noting that there are now crates in No Mercy's under the walkway. No more meleeing everything off with nothing but a Tank to hurt you. Speaking of a Tank though, I think I had the best time playing as a Tank in a good long time.

I spawned as the Tank in the hospital chapter close to the route where the safe room is. Whoever was playing Louis had absolutely no idea a Tank was coming considering he didn't face me until I punched him right the hell off the building. Francis comes along and tries shooting me down, only to get punched to the big stack of bags of cement, which required he be pulled up. Next came Zoey, who tried running away. She ended up somewhat like Francis, only landing on a trash can. Punched the can and she fell right the hell off.

Then came Bill, who ran out of ammo earlier apparently, had one pistol and very little health to begin with. One rock chuck and he was down.

The other side got so pissed, they voted for a return to lobby to try for a do over. :lol:

[Ronin317]

Damn...still didn't get cr0wned. Thought I had the one, but it took 2 shots. I did, however, light one of the bitches on fire, so at least I got that achievement.

[Soodmeg]

Dude it took me forever to get crowned for some reason. I still dont know what it is, either I shoot to fast or to slow.....ah well. I am just glad I 1000/1000 before the update because its going to be twice has hard now.

[Tsukento]

Yeah, it took me a while to get Cr0wnd. I ended up getting it by chance when I wasn't trying to actually do it. That's usually how I got my achievements; by not actually trying to get them. Like Headshotting a Hunter in mid-leap, or Man vs Tank.

What's this about the 1000/1000 achievement being harder to get now?

[Galego23]

Yeah, it took me a while to get Cr0wnd. I ended up getting it by chance when I wasn't trying to actually do it. That's usually how I got my achievements; by not actually trying to get them. Like Headshotting a Hunter in mid-leap, or Man vs Tank.

What's this about the 1000/1000 achievement being harder to get now?


because I think with the update they got rid of the dashboard glitch.

[Soodmeg]

Well, I dont know about the dashboard glitch I got all mine expect 1 legit.

Its just harder now beacuse of the Smoker being stronger and some of the work arounds not being there anymore.

[Tsukento]

Ah, okay, I gotcha now.

Haven't heard anything on whether the dashboard glitch is gone or not. Hope not for the sake of just getting that achievement for Blood Harvest on Expert. Good lord is it ever hard. Especially now that Tanks can take longer to kill with shotguns.

[paddlefoot]

Thanks to everyone who accepted my friend invite. I hope to get on some time tonight, but I have been known to get sidetracked ;)

For those that didn't accept my xbox live ID is FictionalFact (which I wish I could change for free).

[Galego23]

Ah, okay, I gotcha now.

Haven't heard anything on whether the dashboard glitch is gone or not. Hope not for the sake of just getting that achievement for Blood Harvest on Expert. Good lord is it ever hard. Especially now that Tanks can take longer to kill with shotguns.

Yeah, we legit beat all campaigns on Expert, but it's just irritating to constantly start from the beginning every night when you know you can get to the final on a constant basis so that's why I loved the dashboard glitch to just start the game at that one part.

If they didn't fix the Tank getting stuck in the window of the house in BH glitch than it shouldn't be to tough.. but yeah me, Geist and Ivan legit beat Blood Harvest after 20million tries lol so I'm glad that I found a glitch for that.

I gotta thank playing with randoms to knowing most of the glitches that I do know though... while it sucks to play with randoms at times it does have it's benefits to lol. If you want to make a run at BH:Expert let me know.

[Galego23]

Thanks to everyone who accepted my friend invite. I hope to get on some time tonight, but I have been known to get sidetracked ;)

For those that didn't accept my xbox live ID is FictionalFact (which I wish I could change for free).

I just added you now, wasn't on xbox at all yesterday.

[Ink.So.Well.]

I'm down for helping him with EXP BH as well if only because of my horrific history with that campaign. Valve should have issued a god damn strategy guide, four leaf clover, a mock copy of the game with sledgehammer and a bottle of Advil for that map.

Free of charge. ;\

[Luftwaffles08]

Just picked up L4D today and ran through the first campaign just in single player. Ridiculously fun. I have no idea why I waited so long to pick it up. I got it for 40 bucks at Target. Great investment.

Oh yeah, and if you want to play, it's Luftwaffles08 on live as well. If i'm in Fallout 3 (which I usually am), feel free to message me to pull me out.

[theking20]

I also picked up left 4 dead a couple of days ago.
Would like to finish some campaigns on expert or play versus mode with anyone, will add the CAG xbox live gamertag and see if I can find anyone to play
if you play with a guy named "falconkiiiiiick" thats me lol

[Kevlar281]

I’m also looking for help with completing the campaigns on expert. Each time I try and play with randoms I get stuck with people who don’t use their mic and friendly fire like it’s going out of style.

[Tsukento]

Been recently spending time with the sniper rifle. After having used the auto-shotgun for a long time, I'm beginning to like using the rifle.

Unfortunately, it sucks when you have team mates who don't make sure that you're not being ambushed. ><

[jello00]

just added Luftwaffles08 and falconkiiiiiick. I'm down to play campaign as well. AiNoGeist and I tried many times by ourselves but the AI was just too horrible to be able to win the No Mercy campaign. We need a team of 4.

Anyone feel free to add me as well.

[Galego23]

I usually play with Geist and Ivan so if you guys need a 4th let me know.

[IvanHood]

We had a ridiculous versus match tonight. The final score was something like 5100 to 200, and in one level we killed all the survivors before they even left the safe room. I'm probably going to start playing this game more frequently again, so feel free to add me if you want to play versus or campaigns (I will even venture into Expert Blood Harvest again).

[Ink.So.Well.]

I almost hate to ask but how can a team suck so badly they all die BEFORE they can leave the safe room!?

Mind meet Boggled. Boggled meet Mind.

I now pronounce you man and frickin' wife because that is just... simply amazing.

[Xavin]

Wow yeah wow. BEFORE they left the safe room? Is that even possible? o.o

[IvanHood]

Wow yeah wow. BEFORE they left the safe room? Is that even possible? o.o

It was on the third one, where you can place a boomer on the roof and puke on them as they leave the room. They kept trying to come out, but every time they did we would puke on them and they would run back inside. We pounced/grabbed the last two while they were still inside, and their "Average Distance Traveled" score was 2. I love this game!

[paddlefoot]

Saw a bunch of you on last night, but Fallout 3 is like crack to me.

How hard is it to join a game in progress or get people into a game, etc. I have only ever play a couple games on live. Most of my multi-player experience is local.

[Galego23]

Saw a bunch of you on last night, but Fallout 3 is like crack to me.

How hard is it to join a game in progress or get people into a game, etc. I have only ever play a couple games on live. Most of my multi-player experience is local.

It's not hard at all... if the game isn't full you can just join a game in progress via the friend list...

hahaha that shit was funny in Versus last night... they got raped.

[georox]

We had a ridiculous versus match tonight. The final score was something like 5100 to 200, and in one level we killed all the survivors before they even left the safe room. I'm probably going to start playing this game more frequently again, so feel free to add me if you want to play versus or campaigns (I will even venture into Expert Blood Harvest again).

Yea, I was telling my friends about that match this morning... they couldn't believe the "average distance traveled - 2" comment. Wish I recorded that match... can't believe we made it to the helicopter too. They barely made it to the roof, let alone call in the chopper.

[Kevlar281]

Finally knocked out No Mercy on expert. One down, three to go.

[Luftwaffles08]

Played online for the first time tonight with 3 randoms. It went well, but it was exactly like a real horror movie. Three of us were competent, the last guy just kept dying constantly. So when it finally came to get on the helicopter on No Mercy, he was swarmed by a hunter and a tank and died. It was somewhat appropriate for an otherwise pretty good gaming night.

[Prock]

finally got the ZOMBIE GENOCIDEST achievement tonight, i've had the game since release date.

[Monsta Mack]

Wow, this will be the last time I ever do public matches.

Me and my friend were playing the last campaign on expert and *SEVEN* times in a row a duo of splitt-screen buddies would join our game only to team kill. The last one that joined would kill us over and over by running together to the rooms we respawned, shot gun in hand and would unload on us before we even had a chance to kill them - and proceeded to do this over and over. We got to the last stage so it was annoying to start over. There was no way to boot them since the vote would always be 50/50.

If anyone wants to do the last campaign on expert send me a friend request, my friend is so-so but he wants to do it as well. Should be on this Sunday sometime.

[yukafls]

What DLC is coming out??

[Darkchaos91]

Wow, this will be the last time I ever do public matches.

Me and my friend were playing the last campaign on expert and *SEVEN* times in a row a duo of splitt-screen buddies would join our game only to team kill. The last one that joined would kill us over and over by running together to the rooms we respawned, shot gun in hand and would unload on us before we even had a chance to kill them - and proceeded to do this over and over. We got to the last stage so it was annoying to start over. There was no way to boot them since the vote would always be 50/50.

If anyone wants to do the last campaign on expert send me a friend request, my friend is so-so but he wants to do it as well. Should be on this Sunday sometime.

Yeah, this is what happens to me. I've only had this problem after christmas though.. Haven't really played since.

[seanr1221]

Does the boomer refill vomit faster with the new patch?

[Lions]

Wow, this will be the last time I ever do public matches.

Me and my friend were playing the last campaign on expert and *SEVEN* times in a row a duo of splitt-screen buddies would join our game only to team kill. The last one that joined would kill us over and over by running together to the rooms we respawned, shot gun in hand and would unload on us before we even had a chance to kill them - and proceeded to do this over and over. We got to the last stage so it was annoying to start over. There was no way to boot them since the vote would always be 50/50.

If anyone wants to do the last campaign on expert send me a friend request, my friend is so-so but he wants to do it as well. Should be on this Sunday sometime.
Don't let a few idiots ruin the game for you. I have great matches 9/10 times. If I were to quit playing a public game online because of some morons, I would have shut down my xbox live years ago.

[Monsta Mack]

Well for public expert matches yeah we are pretty much done since shots will kill us quickly. We are looking for teammates to take the last campaign on expert but no luck yet. Me and my friend went at it for about 4+ hours today trying to beat the last stage on Expert but the AI kept giving up on us. It's the only one I need to do outside of not getting any special damage achivement which I'm sure will be a lot harder now that most of the glitches are gone though I noticed the Tank did get "stuck" near the roof again, and once in the barn it completely vanished.

We have been playing a lot of versus lately and that's been a lot of fun for the both of us.

[IvanHood]

Well for public expert matches yeah we are pretty much done since shots will kill us quickly. We are looking for teammates to take the last campaign on expert but no luck yet. Me and my friend went at it for about 4+ hours today trying to beat the last stage on Expert but the AI kept giving up on us. It's the only one I need to do outside of not getting any special damage achivement which I'm sure will be a lot harder now that most of the glitches are gone though I noticed the Tank did get "stuck" near the roof again, and once in the barn it completely vanished.

We have been playing a lot of versus lately and that's been a lot of fun for the both of us.

I have already beaten all of the campaigns on Expert, but I would be glad to help you guys out some time. Blood Harvest is a bitch, but it's still fun.

[Tsukento]

Does the boomer refill vomit faster with the new patch?
Not sure, but it sure seems like it refills a little quicker.

I've been meaning to retry getting Blood Harvest done on Expert...but Steam selling Team Fortress 2 at $10 last week has kept me occupied for the past few days. ;)

I played a few rounds of Versus tonight, hopefully it's just today but there don't seem to be many people playing now. I've run into three people several times in different games. Usually there's plenty of people playing at this hour.

[Galego23]

free night tonight with classes being cancelled.. so if anyone is up for some versus or Expert i'm down.

[dropbearGSH]

Just got this game on Saturday (thanks whoever posted the $40 at target deal) and I love it. What a good idea for a video game. Unless you get stuck with incompetent/asshole teammates, the multiplayer is top notch.

[HydroX]

Yea, I was telling my friends about that match this morning... they couldn't believe the "average distance traveled - 2" comment. Wish I recorded that match... can't believe we made it to the helicopter too. They barely made it to the roof, let alone call in the chopper.

Most of my games in versus are like that. I have a core group of friends that just dominates other teams. We've had instances that finished the opposing team with 2 points, even though the average distance traveled was 1, and the multiplier was 1.4 - apparently L4D fell asleep in math class.

[Elkron]

I know this is an old post and all but i'm new to CAG and i frickin love Left 4 Dead!! there is so much replayability due to the AI Director that its insanely fun to play and if anyone wants or needs a 4th, 3rd or 2nd teammate to play just send me an invite and i'll play with ya!!

[humbucker413]

i was playing a versus match online, and my team was murdering the other team, but one of my teammates decided to go on a team-killing rampage on the last act, so i decided to team kill the team killer, but at the end i got kicked for team killing lol

[truehard]

how are you planning do do this

[eswat]

Steam thread on the new content, including Survival. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817968)

[Galego23]

a new map, nice.

Good post eswat.

[Nealocus123]

Steam thread on the new content, including Survival. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817968)

thanks dude, that was pretty helpful.

[Kevlar281]

Looking for help with Blood Harvest on expert. It's the last one I need. I've done the other three post-patch.

[Galego23]

More updates to the Versus mode. I'm glad Valve is making an extra effort to try to balance Versus mode as much as possible. Although I am not sure if these updates have made it to the 360 version quite yet.


LEFT 4 DEAD
Versus Mode Changes
Tank melee attack can now hit multiple Survivors in one swing
Fixed Tank punch being able to hit targets behind walls
Fixes to 'Tank parking'. The Tank will now run back and attack the Survivors if he becomes AI due to two players expiring the frustration meter
Fixed a case where a Tank frustration meter could run out right as he was in his death animation and he would come back to life
Fixed a case where the Tank was moving too slowly while crouching and being shot
Tanks now have the possibility of spawning in a slightly different position for the first and second teams
The order that the teams play as Survivors is now determined by which team has the higher overall score. The winning team will play as Survivors first
The Smoker tongue can now target and grab victims through common infected
Increased the cone in which a Smoker can grab a target
The Witch no longer cuts Smoker tongues in a radius around her
Boomers that explode in mid-air will now hit Survivors directly below them with Bile
Reduced the damage that burning Hunters do to pounced victims
Adjusted the time at which players take over from bots to avoid 5 seconds of the bot standing idle while the player finishes connecting.
Fixed some cases where versus score was not being recalculated properly. It is no longer beneficial to pass pills between players at the end of the round or heal other players and then shoot them
Fixed a case where it was possible to spectate an AI infected and hit +use to take them over
Server Changes
Added convar sv_gametype that allows server operators to limit the types of games that will start on their server. Default value is 'coop,versus'. Can be changed to just 'coop' or just 'versus' to limit to those game types
General changes
Fixed a case where players would join as a dead Survivor when a living Survivor was still available
Fixed a case where restarting a level due to the team dying would give more than the max primary ammo on restart
Fixed the speaking icon showing up on the local player during level transition if voice_vox was set to 1
The scoreboard now shows the numeric value of a player's ping
GameUI
Quick match will now try to match to any campaign. Removed the preference to match to games according to the player progressing through all campaigns
Games in a finale are now joinable via the Friends and Steam (http://kotaku.com/tag/steam/) Group games list
source:Kotaku

[Galego23]

Being able to hit multiple survivors at once with a tank, increased smoker tongue radius, the 5 second bot idle when joining a game, and the boomer being shot in mid-air and nothing happening are probably the changes I wish would be made, and they have which is sick.

I don't know how many times I've tried the Boomer off the roof-top thing with no avail haha.

[Tsukento]

That's all for the PC, though. No such thing as server commands for the 360 version.

[Galego23]

Yep, I know.

[Indiana Jones]

I'm thinking of getting this game. Does four-player co-op require two or four consoles to play on?

[Soodmeg]

So once again Valve delivers on everything. Where are the dumbasses who were bitching that in this thread earlier, "OMG...The game is completely unfinished....verses only has 2 maps....you are paying to unlock stuff on the disc wahhh wahhh wahhh." Trakan, Panda...where are you guys now?

Yeah, for right now those are for the PC but they will be coming to the 360 soon enough. But the imporant thing is this...Valve is and will most likely be the best developer out right now. I have waited 6 or 7 months for some games to get even 1 patch that only fixes a handful of problems meanwhile Valve has released 2 patches that fix almost everything devopled a new mode and 2 new maps.

This just goes to show you that no matter what people will bitch and whine over everything.

[Cpt Hooks]

Just started this game with a friend, great fun!
Nice game, great stress-reliever

[Galego23]

So once again Valve delivers on everything. Where are the dumbasses who were bitching that in this thread earlier, "OMG...The game is completely unfinished....verses only has 2 maps....you are paying to unlock stuff on the disc wahhh wahhh wahhh." Trakan, Panda...where are you guys now?

Yeah, for right now those are for the PC but they will be coming to the 360 soon enough. But the imporant thing is this...Valve is and will most likely be the best developer out right now. I have waited 6 or 7 months for some games to get even 1 patch that only fixes a handful of problems meanwhile Valve has released 2 patches that fix almost everything devopled a new mode and 2 new maps.

This just goes to show you that no matter what people will bitch and whine over everything.

I wouldn't give Valve props as the best at the moment(I give that to Criterion although they don't have the same great history as Valve)

regardless all your points are correct. They listen to complaints of the gamers, and deliver on those complaints. All those fixes were more or less things people complained about. Having people cater a game to YOUR or MY needs is an awesome feeling.

[Trakan]

So once again Valve delivers on everything. Where are the dumbasses who were bitching that in this thread earlier, "OMG...The game is completely unfinished....verses only has 2 maps....you are paying to unlock stuff on the disc wahhh wahhh wahhh." Trakan, Panda...where are you guys now?

I believe what I said was that adding the two other campaigns to Versus is shit that should have been on the disc in the first place and that it had better be free. I was not the one who said the game was unfinished. It most likely is content already on the disc.

Way to Soodmeg it up, Soodmeg.

[Soodmeg]

Oh of course silly me...the great Trakan is never wrong.

What the hell are you talking about anyway? Look at what I actually wrote....I combined both yours and Panda's ridiculously complaints together.

Way to Trakan it up, Trakan.

The point is you came in here whining and bitching getting your panties in a twist for no other reason but to see your own posts for a while. It was very clear from the start what Valve was doing and what they were going to do in the near future. A month later everything they said they were going to do is here and for free.

So I will ask you the same question now as we did then before you, in typically Trakan fashion made a huge post of nonsense then when someone bust your balls you ghost out for months.

[gorgo]

I'm thinking of getting this game. Does four-player co-op require two or four consoles to play on?

You can have 2 players per console, so 2 consoles (local or over Xbox Live) cover co-op. Versus mode is 8 players.

BTW, the AI will fill in any "missing" players for you... and your friends can join in progress to take over the AI roles.

[Dr. Pizza]

>.> anyone want to play?

[LinkinPrime]

Survival Pack coming April 21st....FREE! (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/23/left-4-dead-survival-pack-lunges-for-xbox-360-on-april-21/)

[freshzen]

At least they aren't charging money for that DLC, its weak but better than paying $10 for a boring 3 additional hours.

[Galego23]

Survival Pack coming April 21st....FREE! (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/23/left-4-dead-survival-pack-lunges-for-xbox-360-on-april-21/)

awful... that's the same day the retail version is released too. Was hoping it'd come out sooner oh well.

[Galego23]

Building a Better Apocalypse (http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=2377)

March 25, 2009 - Chet Faliszek


We recently updated the PC version of Left 4 Dead with some exploit fixes and Versus balancing. We are going to be releasing another small update later today that contains some server issue fixes and one small, but very large, gameplay adjustment. We have made a change to the melee mechanic in Versus and the soon-to-be-released Survival Mode.

Xbox 360 users will see these same gameplay changes in an update coming out with the DLC — which, in case you missed the announcement, will be coming out April 21st.

As we continue to work on Left 4 Dead, our plan is to release more frequently on the PC, and then group those updates for the 360.

With the upcoming release of the SDK, and the community servers already available on the PC, matchmaking is one place where the two platforms will diverge. A future blog post will detail our roadmap for PC matchmaking.

Game statistics help us evaluate the success of the changes we've made to the game. In Versus, for example, we flipped the order in which teams play the next round based on who was winning the round before it. We were confident this would help to better balance the game and give neither team a lasting advantage. That would, in turn, translate into more people playing through the final maps. Since making that change, we've noticed the percentage of games being played to the end jump 5%. It is a small increase, but a step in the right direction.

But statistics are only part of the picture. We also use direct feedback from players themselves. One of the questions people ask is if we read the forums: the answer is yes. So please post your feedback on the melee and other changes as we make them. We promise to keep listening to your feedback, making changes and improving the gameplay experience of Left 4 Dead. Remember: If you don't see an issue addressed with this update, that doesn't mean it isn't coming.So no updates that the PC receieved recently until the DLC. :(

I'm just glad they're making an extra effort to make this game as good as possible and listening to the consumer is awesome.

[wwfward]

When are they adding new campaigns? I want a mall stage ...

[dropbearGSH]

When are they adding new campaigns? I want a mall stage ...

Agreed, Dawn of the Dead was on the tube last night and it made me think the exact same thing.

Also, good to see L4d is doing quite well: http://kotaku.com/5186143/left-4-dead-sales-figures-sort-of-revealed

[dipset121]

This game is awesome I picked it up last week and its great. Can't wait for the dlc.

[brother bendu]

Hey I played L4D with a couple of CAG members and had a blast. I would like to add more people from here so we can have some great versus matches! Please add my gamertag: biggaveli285

[Malik112099]

i just got this and it is really awesome...add me peeps!

[strongpimphand]

my roommate and i both are playing l4d on my 360 with microphones...but yet it doesn't show up

is it possible for both of us to use our mics on the same console????

[Calamityuponthee]

my roommate and i both are playing l4d on my 360 with microphones...but yet it doesn't show up

is it possible for both of us to use our mics on the same console????

As long as you aren't a guest yes. Have him log in using a XBL gamertag and you should be fine.

[strongpimphand]

for some reason it just wasn't working and we were both logged on as our own tags

[joelhunt]

I got this a few days ago. Can't wait to kill some zombies with other CAGers!

[dabebop]

Started playing l4d last night so I requested brother and joel. Feel free to send an request my way, I need to get more CAGs on my friend's list anyway.

[Tsukento]

When are they adding new campaigns? I want a mall stage ...
Play Dead Rising until then. :lol:

Seriously though, good to see the update's coming up soon. Definitely glad Microsoft stopped being tight assed about the download content costs.

[Galego23]

i have most CAGs on my list... I'm usually on late weeknights

[Friend of Sonic]

I am so pissed. After running through numerous problems finishing one expert stage, I get to stage 5 and bam, kicked out so I can download an update.

I am the furious.

[Soodmeg]

What update?

[xycury]

What update?


Probably this one:
April 1, 2009 - Zoid Kirsch


In a recent update for L4D on the PC, we provided the option for players to choose between starting a game on an Official server or the Best Available. This is just the first step in giving players control over what servers they play on and the type of experience they have.

This is part of the L4D SDK rollout, which is currently in a closed beta and will be released shortly after the launch of the L4D Survival Pack.

To support the SDK, we are extending the matchmaking system to allow for third party campaigns. We will be adding extra features so players will be able to find dedicated servers running the campaigns they have installed. They will also be able to see friends playing third party campaigns, and be directed to download them as necessary. Another major feature we are planning to add to the matchmaking system at a future date is team-based Versus matching. This will allow two teams of four to locate each other and compete in a Versus match.

We are also revamping our player matching based on skill level. Currently the system tries to match people with the same skill level and best pings together. We will be revisiting this system to tweak it based on data we have collected.

For next week's blog post, we are going to look at the process of creating the box art.

[Galego23]

Probably this one:

I'm pretty sure the 360 will not be seeing any updates until the DLC release date as it's already been stated.


Building a Better Apocalypse (http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=2377)

March 25, 2009 - Chet Faliszek


We recently updated the PC version of Left 4 Dead with some exploit fixes and Versus balancing. We are going to be releasing another small update later today that contains some server issue fixes and one small, but very large, gameplay adjustment. We have made a change to the melee mechanic in Versus and the soon-to-be-released Survival Mode.

Xbox 360 users will see these same gameplay changes in an update coming out with the DLC — which, in case you missed the announcement, will be coming out April 21st.

As we continue to work on Left 4 Dead, our plan is to release more frequently on the PC, and then group those updates for the 360.

With the upcoming release of the SDK, and the community servers already available on the PC, matchmaking is one place where the two platforms will diverge. A future blog post will detail our roadmap for PC matchmaking.

Game statistics help us evaluate the success of the changes we've made to the game. In Versus, for example, we flipped the order in which teams play the next round based on who was winning the round before it. We were confident this would help to better balance the game and give neither team a lasting advantage. That would, in turn, translate into more people playing through the final maps. Since making that change, we've noticed the percentage of games being played to the end jump 5%. It is a small increase, but a step in the right direction.

But statistics are only part of the picture. We also use direct feedback from players themselves. One of the questions people ask is if we read the forums: the answer is yes. So please post your feedback on the melee and other changes as we make them. We promise to keep listening to your feedback, making changes and improving the gameplay experience of Left 4 Dead. Remember: If you don't see an issue addressed with this update, that doesn't mean it isn't coming.


He was probably off-line, went on-line and was forced to download an old update.

[Friend of Sonic]

I don't know, it happened to the three other people in my party too-- except it happened at seperate times. Every ten minutes one of us got booted off to download that damn update.

No one else got that?

[xycury]

I'm pretty sure the 360 will not be seeing any updates until the DLC release date as it's already been stated.

I assumed this was PC... keep forgeting there are 360 owners.

Shame to play and not update first...

[notoriousxbox]

I am so pissed. After running through numerous problems finishing one expert stage, I get to stage 5 and bam, kicked out so I can download an update.

I am the furious.


http://majornelson.com/archive/2009/04/02/xbox-360-system-update-now-available-no-new-features-4-2.aspx

this might be what happened, sucks if it was.

I know how expert can be, to get to stage 5 and have that happen sucks. Anyone wants to play some games add my gt always down to play this game. Only about 18k dead left to kill for the achievement

[Galego23]

I don't know, it happened to the three other people in my party too-- except it happened at seperate times. Every ten minutes one of us got booted off to download that damn update.

No one else got that?


oh you probably got the mandatory Xbox Live Update that was put out... nothing to do with L4D. LOL that sucks.

[Galego23]

Surviving the L4D Survival Pack (http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=2417)

April 16, 2009 - Kerry Davis and Scott Dalton


Survival Mode pits your team against never ending waves of infected. Sounds simple. Just trap the survivors in a small part of a map, unleash the hordes, and record the longest time. Survival Mode, which will be released next week, is actually a bit more than that.

Our goals for Survival Mode are to deliver a mode of play distinct from Campaign or Versus, have games that regularly last under ten minutes, and emphasize competition with team play through leaderboards.

Survival Mode draws on the planning and communication aspects of a successful Finale or Crescendo event, while taking it to another level. It rapidly hits a fever pitch that only a well coordinated team will be able to successfully survive. Everything from simply covering a reviving teammate, to making every shot count to minimize reloads becomes crucial in Survival Mode.

Given the importance of pacing in Survival Mode, we need to define as precisely as possible how the difficulty ramps up during the course of a round. We have numerous variables to work with: mob spawn frequency, special infected spawn frequency, number of each type of special infected, total number of special infected, tank spawn frequency, total number of tanks, and so on. We need all of these variables to work together to create a fairly smooth difficulty curve.

If the curve ramps up too sharply, we find that teams of all skill levels tend to hit a wall at the same time. There isn't enough variation in the times to separate great teams from average ones. If the curve is too flat, then average teams will have a good experience, but really good teams can grind on long enough to cross the line from having fun to just getting worn out.

It might seem that just gradually increasing spawn rates and numbers of infected will create a nice smooth curve, but it turns out to be much trickier than that. Each type of infected has its own spawn schedule, so even though the individual spawn curves may be designed to be fairly easy at a particular point in time, sometimes they overlap in just such a way that the players find themselves in a really bad situation far earlier than we intend.

For example, a tank will be much harder to fight if a mob of common infected spawns at the same time - and nearly impossible if three hunters also show up right at that moment. A similar situation can happen due to variables outside our control - a team may not dispatch a tank or mob quickly enough, causing subsequent waves to start arriving and piling on to an already difficult battle. It's also hard to anticipate when teams will need to make an ammo run or heal up, both of which can be extremely difficult only a few minutes into the round. In order to help visualize these overlap points and the collapse of each spawn curve, we graphed out the wave behavior of infected over the course of a survival round.

http://www.l4d.com/blog/images/posts/012/spawn-graph-thumb.jpg (http://www.l4d.com/blog/images/posts/012/spawn-graph.jpg)

The last variable we added was the "lull" - a short interval of time during which nothing new will spawn. Each lull gets slightly longer as the round progresses, but that's no guarantee the team will actually see the lull - it just prevents new infected from spawning. It doesn't help with infected that are already in the arena. Killing mobs and tanks as quickly as possible is the best way to ensure that a team can take advantage of a lull to heal, resupply ammo, or just move to a better location with more supplies.

Given the extreme pace of Survival Mode, the number of zombies killed in a single round often outnumbers an entire campaign. Even optimizing towards using pistols to eliminate common hordes, ammunition usually becomes an issue at some point. As ammo piles provide a unique infinite resupply for players, they tend to be in relatively less defensible positions in the Survival arenas. This means making an all important ammo run is rarely a safe proposition and requires good teamwork and planning. Timing your resources correctly to be able to make a run when necessary can make or break a team. The perfect pipebomb or well placed molotov can mean the difference between a cakewalk and catastrophe.

The Hospital Elevator, for example, might seem like an easy Crescendo Event to conquer. Hit the elevator button and holdout until the doors open for a quick escape. In Survival Mode, however, the area begins locked down. Areas open as the hordes come in, breaking down the doors to reach the survivors. In each room there are additional caches of vital pills, pipes, and Molotovs. By moving from location to location, using up the plentiful supplies as needed, a team can maximize their time in a game where the elevator never arrives to offer escape. In other maps, items may be less plentiful and require careful planning on their usage. Managing one's inventory and resources works hand-in-hand with teamwork in Survival Mode.

Next week you will be able to see our design in action when the DLC is released for the PC and 360.

yeeeeee.

[xycury]

yay! sounds brutal

[Ronin317]

Nice...now I can look forward to lasting about 4 minutes on Expert.

[James1221]

nice. Is there anyone here that can help me and a friend get threw expert? Ever game I join or ever game that random people join of mine they never want to work as a team or they always quit after they kill everyone else.

[James1221]

gt: Calmlikea13omb

[freshzen]

If anybody is boosting for the Left 4 Dead achievement please let me know I'd like to join. Also need to do Nothing Special.

Also if anybody wants to know the best way to survive any of the finales on expert I can explain :)

[APreciousDragon]

This is going to be AWESOME!!! :D :D :D

I am totally hyped about the new DLC ... and have to maps on expert I need to finish myself! :o

Thank goodness they finally added in something to get more zombie kills. I love this game and play it quite a bit but am still just around 15000?! zombie kills. Hopefully they'll have mounted machine guns?! to work on that as well! :D

[Ink.So.Well.]

[/Shining L4D Squad Spotlight Which Is A Red No Icon With A Tank Silhouette In The Middle]

ATTN CMART & IVANHOOD: Can I count you guys to help a brother out next Tuesday?

Let me know because it has been quite a while since I've touched this game and we've still got a score to settle with Nothing Special, C.

[Lord_Kefka]

I need to bust this game out and get hunting again. Time to brush up for that Survival mode.

[Galego23]

[/Shining L4D Squad Spotlight Which Is A Red No Icon With A Tank Silhouette In The Middle]

ATTN CMART & IVANHOOD: Can I count you guys to help a brother out next Tuesday?

Let me know because it has been quite a while since I've touched this game and we've still got a score to settle with Nothing Special, C.


HAHA well if you get your ass off of GoW!!!

[Galego23]

This is going to be AWESOME!!! :D :D :D

I am totally hyped about the new DLC ... and have to maps on expert I need to finish myself! :o

Thank goodness they finally added in something to get more zombie kills. I love this game and play it quite a bit but am still just around 15000?! zombie kills. Hopefully they'll have mounted machine guns?! to work on that as well! :D

No running ahead for the two of us in this mode ;)

[SumOG]

im usually on...add me: sumog
didnt do expert yet...and some others
pls help...thx

[Ink.So.Well.]

HAHA well if you get your ass off of GoW!!!

I resent such hateful and otherwise trivial statements. ;(

...

Besides I've recently discovered the joy that is Guitar Hero and I'm on that more now so hmph. [-(

But yeah, I promise to haul my ass off GoW2 to get in some quality time with my L4D squad. I miss you guys and the unforgiving mistress that is the dreaded AI Director. ;'(

[Kevlar281]

I'm still looking to knock out Blood Harvest on expert. I have made it to the finale multiple times but the randoms I play with always end up quitting or going loan ranger. It's the last campaign I need to complete on expert but I'm willing to help you with whatever if you help me out.

XBL: CheeseSndwch

[KingBroly]

I haven't done any Campaign on Expert :( but luckily this free stuff is coming out next week so I'll be able to play again some then. For right now though, only 300 rounds until I hit 1999 in Gears 2. Such a horrible achievement.

[Galego23]

I'm still looking to knock out Blood Harvest on expert. I have made it to the finale multiple times but the randoms I play with always end up quitting or going loan ranger. It's the last campaign I need to complete on expert but I'm willing to help you with whatever if you help me out.

XBL: CheeseSndwch

if youre on tonight ill help you out

[freshzen]

I'm still looking to knock out Blood Harvest on expert. I have made it to the finale multiple times but the randoms I play with always end up quitting or going loan ranger. It's the last campaign I need to complete on expert but I'm willing to help you with whatever if you help me out.

XBL: CheeseSndwch

Best way to survive that finale is go upstairs and in the room that has pills spawning on nightstands, pack your whole squad in the closet (obviously 2 in front melee and 2 standing over top shooting), as soon as the tank spawns walk to the outside of the house on the upper level and have 2 people sit in the corner and 2 people go out on the super thin ledge (make sure they're on the side of the window by the closet you were in--on the other side the tank can still get you). Basically the tank will walk up right underneth you and you need to go back to where the 2 other guys are watching your back and the tank will get stuck on the ledge (specifically stuck in the window) and you can just blast away at him.

[IvanHood]

[/Shining L4D Squad Spotlight Which Is A Red No Icon With A Tank Silhouette In The Middle]

ATTN CMART & IVANHOOD: Can I count you guys to help a brother out next Tuesday?

Let me know because it has been quite a while since I've touched this game and we've still got a score to settle with Nothing Special, C.

I have exams through the end of April, so I won't be on XBL much. As soon as those are over, though, I can't wait to start playing this game again. Only have two achievements left, I think, Lamb 2 Slaughter and Zombie Genocidest.

Edit: Also, if anyone else wants to play expert campaigns or versus, shoot me a friend request. But like I said, I won't really be on until the first week of May.

[Lions]

Can't wait for the new L4D stuff this week, even though are way overdue. :/

[Kevlar281]

Finally beat Blood Harvest on Expert! I showed my team how to set up in the barn. The director was merciful and gave us a lot of Molotov cocktails. I saved a pipe bomb for the run to the APC.

I was the only one who made it. :cry:

But beating it got me the “What Are You Trying To Prove?” achievement.:whee:

[Galego23]

G4TV (http://g4tv.com/) » The Feed (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/index.html) » 'Left 4 Dead' Survival Mode/DLC Preview » (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694858/Left-4-Dead-Survival-ModeDLC-Preview.html#)
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'Left 4 Dead' Survival Mode/DLC Preview (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694858/Left-4-Dead-Survival-ModeDLC-Preview.html)

Posted by Abbie Heppe (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/index.html?ak=2311983) - Friday, April 17, 2009 7:25 PM




Watch Larger Version (http://g4tv.com/thepile/videos/37787/Left-4-Dead-Direct-Feed--Survival-Mode---The-Last-Stand.html) | Watch HD Version (http://g4tv.com/thepile/hdvideos/37787/Left-4-Dead-Direct-Feed--Survival-Mode---The-Last-Stand.html)
Can it, whiners! Easily the most common complaint leveraged against Left 4 Dead was that it had too little content and on April 21st players are getting a FREE download with plenty more zombie shooting action. Did I mention it’s free? Xbox 360 users hardly get anything for that price, except refurbished red-ringed consoles. The DLC adds three significant changes to the game, the melee fatigue already introduced on the PC, the inclusion of Dead Air and Death Toll in versus mode, and the addition of Survival Mode with 16 maps, 15 borrowed and one new.

Nasty, Brutish and Short

Survival mode takes all of the areas, 15 in all, from the original Left 4 Dead maps where you call the horde, like at the elevator in No Mercy and at the crane in Dead Air. There’s also the brand new lighthouse themed, “The Last Stand” with the apt tagline “it doesn’t end well”, because, despite being the level loaded with pills, explosives, ammo and health…well, good luck lasting long enough to use any of them. There’s no rescue in sight for Survival mode, just a never-ending flow of zombies and the crushing feeling of impending doom (or a tank beating you into the pavement). Apparently, the team at Valve hasn’t surpassed the 10 minute mark, and our fairly skilled crew topped out at a little over four minutes in Death Toll’s drains, earning a bronze and falling nearly three minutes short of a silver ranking. For comparison, my first lighthouse run relying solely on AI lasted a whopping two minutes and forty-one seconds. That’s longer than some of my attempts with human players, but don’t expect to set any records with the AI in tow.



Now, to illustrate the infinite zombie spawning, Valve put together this chart:
http://cache.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/145283_S/Left-4-Dead-Survival-ModeDLC.jpg
As you can see, before you even hit the 4 minute cut-off for the bronze rank, you’ll have taken on 3 tanks, numerous special infected and about 5 waves of horde. Every reload, decision to heal and the timing of using explosives affects the outcome of your attempt, and the combination of skill and cooperation makes this mode far more complex than just fending off never-ending waves of zombies. I’ve always felt the brilliance of L4D is how it takes a very simple concept and slowly reveals complex layers of depth to the player. There seems to be a limitless variety in strategies you can employ to survive and with rounds lasting under 7 minutes or so, factoring in time to set up before you call the horde, this is a fast-paced “quick fix” of L4D compared to the versus and campaign modes. It’ll also put you on the fast track to that pesky Zombie Genocidist achievement. Good luck, and leave your friends who cower away from advanced or expert difficulties behind.

Melee Takes a Hit

One common strategy that won’t save you anymore is backing all the survivors up into a corner and spamming melee to thwart the Horde and special infected. It used to be pretty simple to avoid all damage by employing this strategy, it repels snaking tongues, ambitious Hunters and countless zombies with minimal effort. With the addition of “melee fatigue”, you’ll have to wait until your melee “reloads” to continue deflecting zombies. Applicable in both survival and versus mode, the tweak to melee takes some adjustment as a survivor, but it sure makes Boomers and Hunters happy and balances the game nicely. Do I miss melee spam? Ok…a little, but if WiiSports boxing taught me anything, it’s that most people can’t continuously punch things for very long without getting tired.

Versus, Now With Three Maps No One Will Play

Please forgive the tongue-in-cheek, but if you play as much as I do, you’re probably just as sick of the No Mercy favoritism in Versus mode as I am. This is why I’m especially excited to see Death Toll and Dead Air join the circuit. The large open spaces in these levels obviously provided a challenge to adapt for Versus, but the balance is executed well and this was ultimately worth the wait. I’d elaborate more, but this addition speaks for itself, Dead Air is a personal favorite but both “new” maps provide welcome variety to the versus multiplayer.



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Last Words

With the inclusion of Dead Air and Death Toll in versus, there’s something here for players of all skill levels and welcome content for those getting tired of playing the same maps over and over. Survival caters to the upper echelon of players and offers so many map choices and such a challenge that you’re unlikely to tire of it quickly. And again, with the whole update being free, there’s virtually nothing to complain to about. Again, Valve proves how reliable they are in supporting their games after launch with more than just fixes, Tuesday can’t come soon enough.
Left 4 Dead Survival Mode/DLC
Platforms: PC/360
Played on: 360
Release date: 4/21/09

[Ink.So.Well.]

...No.

...NO.

...OH HELL NO.

They nerfed my melee spam. ;'(

I am such a sad panda right now. ;\

[James1221]

Finally beat Blood Harvest on Expert! I showed my team how to set up in the barn. The director was merciful and gave us a lot of Molotov cocktails. I saved a pipe bomb for the run to the APC.

I was the only one who made it. :cry:

But beating it got me the “What Are You Trying To Prove?” achievement.:whee:


ha yea cause my friend missed with his molotov, i took one for the team!

O and there is always one crazy guy who doesn't like hanging around with the team in every game who dies first, very true in our game.

[SumOG]

going to play tonite...hopefully get the expert levels done before the update (no melee spam :cry:)
anyone wanna help me out?
tried yesterday...no dice

[davyd]

The stamina meter is a versus change only. You can still melee spam your heart's content in campaign.

[Galego23]

The stamina meter is a versus change only. You can still melee spam your heart's content in campaign.

versus and survivor mode.

[A Happy Panda]

Soooo...anyone know where to find the update?

I'm still not sure if its a patch or something you DL on the marketplace.

I just updated my game with a patch, but no go for new content.

[joe2187]

It's in the download section of L4D on the dashboard. But as of the moment there's nothing it's done after the 2 minute download.

Maybe it's waiting for another update?

[A Happy Panda]

It's in the download section of L4D on the dashboard. But as of the moment there's nothing it's done after the 2 minute download.

Maybe it's waiting for another update?

Not showing up =/

Only shows the intro vid for me.

EDIT: Wee it showed up.

If you don't get the update, try clearing your cache using the clear cache code, worked for me after I did that.

[Ink.So.Well.]

Best time after playing with randoms for less than 20 minutes is 3:15:60. ;'(

Oh my god is strategy a must here. q_q

[songoku0987]

any expert players friend me : songoku0987

[Hiei69]

So far, my record in survival mode is 5:50 on the generator room on No Mercy. This mode is very difficult.

[CoffeeEdge]

Well, I want to play it, but I'm too busy with Zeno Clash. Guess it'll have to wait till tomorrow!

[A Happy Panda]

Applause to Valve for Last Stand

Don't read if you don't want to be completely surprised and have some laughs

The wall in the bathroom collapses and so does the wall in the room with the spiral staircase. This completely fucked us over twice in a row since we were oblivious to the fact until it happened. A whole lot of "OH WHAT THE FUCK?!"s to be heard over the mics

[Hiei69]

Just made it to 6:02 in the Sewers on Death Toll. It takes 4 well aimed shotguns to take down those damn tanks.

[georox]

Heh, I made Plume play with a complete noob on Left4Dead :D 3 skilled + 1 noob is bad, the one noob slows you down a ton.

[kylerg]

New achievements or not?

[A Happy Panda]

Woot.

12:47:47 on the Generator Room.

Shit gets WACKY after 10 minutes.

That makes 3 Golds out of 4 on the No Mercy Survival maps.

Lasted almost 15 minutes on the rooftop. If anyone has a good place to camp on the Gas Station please enlighten me.

[bardockkun]

New achievements or not?
New achievements only come with paid content and since this is free...Yup.

[kevlar51]

New achievements only come with paid content and since this is free...Yup.

I've heard that before, but Marble Blast Ultra has a free DLC map with 10 achievment points--so I'm not sure. Maybe just retail releases?

I'm not entirely thrilled with Survival mode, which is disappointing because I've been looking forward to this for months. And I LOVE nazi zombies and horde...

[DiscoDuck8k]

It's pretty cool, but I think I must still be a little burnt out on L4D... we'll see.

Not sure I can be bothered with killing another 10,000-ish zombies for that last achievement.

[Galego23]

you can get 10,000 easily with survivor mode... if you last 4+ minutes and do it right without glitching, you can get like 600-700 kills per match easily.