Price Drop Confirmed & New PS3 Bundle in August: 80GB HD + Motorstorm = $600 [Mobile/Archive] - Page 2

DarkNessBear

07-09-2007, 03:46 PM

there are only 3 Red rings of death instead the full 4, but you don't see anyone complaining about that.

Anyway, I fully agree- IT'S OVER. SONY IS FINISHED. THE COLOR IN THE BUTTON ISN'T FULLY DISTRIBUTED. THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW.

Seriously...

The only reason for me to purchase a PS3 was to have a fully distributed colored button on the Sixaxis... sony cant even get that right.

Thats the end.

botticus

07-09-2007, 03:52 PM

07-09-2007, 03:59 PM

Jack Tretton really needs to stop giving interviews. I kinda felt bad for him on CNBC. Apparently financial reporters are a bit more aggressive than gaming reporters.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=417037321

He (Bill Griffeth) was much nicer about it than he could have been ;).

slidecage

07-09-2007, 04:00 PM

tempted to take my ps2 back to best buy get 130 for it (still under warrenty)

spend an extra 350 and get a ps3

whoknows

07-09-2007, 04:01 PM

tempted to take my ps2 back to best buy get 130 for it (still under warrenty)

spend an extra 350 and get a ps3
Might as well do it before the Emotion Engine is removed.

07-09-2007, 04:03 PM

Jack Tretton really needs to stop giving interviews. I kinda felt bad for him on CNBC. Apparently financial reporters are a bit more aggressive than gaming reporters.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=417037321

Thats because it seems most<read not all> gaming journalists are suckasses and depend on revenue from the people they are interviewing.

The Mana Knight

07-09-2007, 04:05 PM

tempted to take my ps2 back to best buy get 130 for it (still under warrenty)

spend an extra 350 and get a ps3DO I! DO IT! I'll go to Best Buy to see ya do it. ;)

I'll admit I'm tempted to buy a 2nd PS3.
Jack Tretton really needs to stop giving interviews. I kinda felt bad for him on CNBC. Apparently financial reporters are a bit more aggressive than gaming reporters.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=417037321
The interviewer seemed to think you were suppose to instantly make a profit from the get go, when in all reality, you lose money at first (Sony lost money with PS2 initially).

botticus

07-09-2007, 04:08 PM

He (Bill Griffeth) was much nicer about it than he could have been ;).Yeah, I think he felt bad too. But it must be rough being told to stop spinning.

hufferstl

07-09-2007, 04:11 PM

The interviewer seemed to think you were suppose to instantly make a profit from the get go, when in all reality, you lose money at first (Sony lost money with PS2 initially).

Someone needs to tell that to Nintendo, I guess.

slidecage

07-09-2007, 04:13 PM

does PS3 have as many problems the PS2 does

this is the 3rd system i had in the past 18 months that the games wont load up half the times. The disc wont even spin around every 5 times i turn it on.

whoknows

07-09-2007, 04:14 PM

does PS3 have as many problems the PS2 does

this is the 3rd system i had in the past 18 months that the games wont load up half the times. The disc wont even spin around every 5 times i turn it on.
PS3 is a pretty solidly built console. I haven't heard many stories of broken ones.

Zoglog

07-09-2007, 04:23 PM

So... Are you guys happy with what we've been hearding pre-E3?

-60GB price drop.
-Limited Edition 80GB also coming to US.
-Rumored Rumble controller returning.
-HD/PSP Video download service in the works.
-E3 PSN Update
-Live Offical Blog postings during show

Also, did anyone link to Jack Tretton's interview about the price drop, 80GB PS3 (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/07/09/scea-ceo-jack-tretton-on-the-ps3-price-cut.aspx), and other issues? A lot of insights, go check it out!

the only concern I have of this moment is the controller issues.

imascrub

07-09-2007, 04:40 PM

does PS3 have as many problems the PS2 does

this is the 3rd system i had in the past 18 months that the games wont load up half the times. The disc wont even spin around every 5 times i turn it on.

no problems here
neither of the ps2's i have/had never had any problems either. My friend's 3rd or 4th gen ps2 has loading troubles though.

gunm

07-09-2007, 04:45 PM

Apossum

07-09-2007, 05:05 PM

Not excited about that new PS3 bundle at all. I'd much prefer a 60GB w/emotion engine for $500 w/5 free blu-ray movies. I won't be able to bite until at least the holidays though, unless some miracle happens. :P

they'll probably take the EE out of 60gb systems too starting during the release of 80gb systems.

then, if software emulation sucks, people will probably have to pay a small premium on older 60gb systems in a few years.

The Mana Knight

07-09-2007, 05:15 PM

Someone needs to tell that to Nintendo, I guess.It's because Nintendo is basically using last gen hardware, then slapping together a new controller and game, then ass raping people with its $250 price tag.

does PS3 have as many problems the PS2 does

this is the 3rd system i had in the past 18 months that the games wont load up half the times. The disc wont even spin around every 5 times i turn it on.PS3 has a < 1% failure rate. It's the most solid PS console yet. Someone had their PS3 folding for 6 weeks straight. Some PS2 games load faster on PS3, and its nice getting rid of all memory cards with the PS3 HDD.
they'll probably take the EE out of 60gb systems too starting during the release of 80gb systems.

then, if software emulation sucks, people will probably have to pay a small premium on older 60gb systems in a few years.From what I hear, Euro BC is at 75%, which isn't all that bad, but not perfect.

Apossum

07-09-2007, 05:18 PM

From what I hear, Euro BC is at 75%, which isn't all that bad, but not perfect.

that's pretty bad when you consider what does and doesn't work and also consider that there's a model that plays all games perfectly.

The Mana Knight

07-09-2007, 05:24 PM

that's pretty bad when you consider what does and doesn't work and also consider that there's a model that plays all games perfectly.Well, 75% is still over half the games working. On 360, only around 25-30% of the games work, which is bad. With the massive catalog of games PS2 has, 75% isn't all that bad (Heck, that's probably more than all Xbox games combined).

Plinko

07-09-2007, 05:27 PM

It's because Nintendo is basically using last gen hardware, then slapping together a new controller and game, then ass raping people with its $250 price tag.

Apparently Nintendo is pretty good at sodomy, as people prefer the Nintendo "ass raping" about 6 to 1 compared to Sony's PS3 handjob.

Sony, you tease!

Seriously, though, why all the fanboyism? I own all three systems, and think they're all great in their own way. Why do you feel the need to defend a multi-billion dollar company? If someone wants to bash it, who cares? It doesn't take away from your enjoyment.

07-09-2007, 05:38 PM

I wonder if they will announce rumble support for ths Sixaxis at E3 (since I remember reading about Sony and Immersion reaching a deal) (http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/02/sony-and-immersion-settle-suit-rumble-coming-to-the-ps3/). That would suck if you had to make a choice between getting the PS3 now with EE and no rumble, or getting a PS3 later with no EE and rumble.

Thats essentially the choice I'm making now. I only ever owned a PS2 for a couple months so I've got a ton of older games to try out. Rumble while important may be attainable through a firmware revision and a new controller.

zewone

07-09-2007, 05:40 PM

and no rumble for 80GB either:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comment-6679

07-09-2007, 05:46 PM

and no rumble for 80GB either:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comment-6679

Couldn't find that info in the sea of posts there, but I did find it funny that the press release in the blog touts the 80GB bundle by saying that it "will include a free copy of MotorStorm".

So they really think the 20GB extra HD space and lack of EE is worth $100 - and a free Motorstorm is just tossed in as a bonus! :rofl:

zewone

07-09-2007, 05:50 PM

Couldn't find that info in the sea of posts there, but I did find it funny that the press release in the blog touts the 80GB bundle by saying that it "will include a free copy of MotorStorm".

So they really think the 20GB extra HD space and lack of EE is worth $100 - and a free Motorstorm is just tossed in as a bonus! :rofl:
If you let it load to comment 268, he's a SCEA insider who says the red control thing is just what the debug unit's controller does when it is charged and that it is not an indication of a controller change for the 80GB.

dallow

07-09-2007, 06:12 PM

Man, I want a cool debug controller!

Dante Devil

07-09-2007, 06:16 PM

Washington State:
Went to GameStop, said the had not heard official news of a pricedrop and won't do so until then. Meanwhile the local TRU and GameCrazy are offering PS3s with the lower price.

GizmoGC

07-09-2007, 06:22 PM

Washington State:
Went to GameStop, said the had not heard official news of a pricedrop and won't do so until then. Meanwhile the local TRU and GameCrazy are offering PS3s with the lower price.

Call around. I think a memo went out this morning.

crazytalkx

07-09-2007, 06:27 PM

Apparently Nintendo is pretty good at sodomy, as people prefer the Nintendo "ass raping" about 6 to 1 compared to Sony's PS3 handjob.

Sony, you tease!

Seriously, though, why all the fanboyism? I own all three systems, and think they're all great in their own way. Why do you feel the need to defend a multi-billion dollar company? If someone wants to bash it, who cares? It doesn't take away from your enjoyment.

The Mana Knight is the biggest fucking Sony fanboy I've seen on these boards. I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually receiving handjobs from Sony itself.

GizmoGC

07-09-2007, 06:29 PM

My local news channel just did a 1 minute story on the price cut. I loved how she said 'due to poor sales'. Good times.

gunm

07-09-2007, 06:30 PM

they'll probably take the EE out of 60gb systems too starting during the release of 80gb systems.

then, if software emulation sucks, people will probably have to pay a small premium on older 60gb systems in a few years.

Yeah, the question for me would be getting ahold of the current model before it gets phased out. I guess I don't mind holding on to my PS2 indefinitely, but I'd much rather get rid of it to save space and such, even though it is a slim PS2. :P

Edit: You know, if EB/GS did that old "Trade PS2 for $100 credit towards PS3" after the price drop, I'd be all over that deal, whether or not the wife blows a gasket! :D

dallow

07-09-2007, 07:04 PM

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4286/untitledcp9.jpg

Worked for a day.
Wii finally dethroned.

The Mana Knight

07-09-2007, 07:10 PM

The Mana Knight is the biggest fucking Sony fanboy I've seen on these boards. I wouldn't be surprised if he's actually receiving handjobs from Sony itself.You calling me a Sony fanboy, yet I've probably played my 360 more than you (compare our gamercards).
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4286/untitledcp9.jpg

Worked for a day.
Wii finally dethroned.Awesome to hear. :D

crazytalkx

07-09-2007, 07:13 PM

You calling me a Sony fanboy, yet I've probably played my 360 more than you (compare our gamercards).

I don't play for achievements. Just reading your past-posts and even your blog proves this. You defend Sony at each and every single tiny little fucking opportunity. Go back to GameFAQs already.

Oh and as for the PS3 in first place. I'm glad, I really wouldn't want to see a console fail miserably but ever notice how the Wii is constantly sold out?

dallow

07-09-2007, 07:18 PM

I don't play for achievements. Just reading your past-posts and even your blog proves this. You defend Sony at each and every single tiny little fucking opportunity. Go back to GameFAQs already.

Oh and as for the PS3 in first place. I'm glad, I really wouldn't want to see a console fail miserably but ever notice how the Wii is constantly sold out?Yes, yet always number 1.
Has been for months now.

crazytalkx

07-09-2007, 07:26 PM

Yes, yet always number 1.
Has been for months now.

That's just insane. If it was actually in stock...
I just wish Sony would keep the Emotion Engine until another AAA title comes out, like MGS 4 or something along those lines because I'm already on the fence, just need that extra push over.

anomynous

07-09-2007, 07:37 PM

:lol: @ Mana Knight saying he's not a fanboy

dallow

07-09-2007, 07:42 PM

That's just insane. If it was actually in stock...
I just wish Sony would keep the Emotion Engine until another AAA title comes out, like MGS 4 or something along those lines because I'm already on the fence, just need that extra push over.It has to be number 1 for a reason. They just come in stock and quickly disappear when they do.
Like a ninja.

The Mana Knight

07-09-2007, 07:42 PM

I don't play for achievements. Neither do I. If you look at my previous posts, I have called achievement points "nerd points" many times, and I've bashed them many times.
Just reading your past-posts and even your blog proves this. I wrote Eternal Sonota impressions. You actually looked at my blog (haven't bothered to update in a while)???
You defend Sony at each and every single tiny little fucking opportunity.Did you see my post about not getting into the Warhawk beta? Did you see my post about not getting into Home? Did you see my post when Sony dropped the 20GB SKU. Did you see my initial post about the 80GB SKU? I don't always defend Sony.
Go back to GameFAQs already.I don't have an account there.

Oh and as for the PS3 in first place. I'm glad, I really wouldn't want to see a console fail miserablyGood. ;)
but ever notice how the Wii is constantly sold out?It's because the Wii is all hype. I know many people who bought into the Wii hype, and never played it after getting sick of Wii Sports, and have no plans to buy more games for it. Wii is like iPod, to an extent.
That's just insane. If it was actually in stock...
I just wish Sony would keep the Emotion Engine until another AAA title comes out, like MGS 4 or something along those lines because I'm already on the fence, just need that extra push over.It would be great for Sony to keep the EE, but you have to understand Sony can't continue to take a big loss on the PS3 forever. They have to make cuts to lower the price and be successful.

asianxcore

07-09-2007, 07:43 PM

I know it sounds crazy but do you think Sony is trying to appeal to the general public with the 80GB bundle?

I know when I worked video game retail one of the top questions I was asked was "Does it come with a game?". I know for that bundle you don't get to pick that game, but I'm sure parents who don't know much about games wouldn't care. For them it beats having (or going through) the actions of buying everything seperately.

I'm probably the only one who thinks this :)

The Mana Knight

07-09-2007, 07:46 PM

I think Asiancore is right. I mean, although many who follow gaming knows it's a rip-off, but most casuals won't notice. Casuals like their console to come with a game, even if its a bad one. When I go out, many ask if a console comes with a game, and it seems like people rather not choose their game. Also, I see casuals think bigger HDD means better. I doubt many casuals know much about switching HDDs or not. When I told a casual PS3 can use any Serial ATA 2.5" HDD, and he thought they were hard to find.

dallow

07-09-2007, 07:56 PM

Actually, that kinda makes sense.
Moms and dads I find always ask if it comes with a game.
Whenever the answer is no (which is all the time) I see them pick out a couple games.

I don't think I've ever bought a game, at that same time I bought a system.
I went gameless for a while on the PSX, PS2, PSP, GC, Wii, 360, etc.

GizmoGC

07-09-2007, 08:05 PM

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4286/untitledcp9.jpg

Worked for a day.
Wii finally dethroned.

To be fair the Wii is sold out at Amazon and only available through 'other sellers'. Does Amazon count those as sales? I have never seen the Wii actually for sale FROM Amazon in a long ass time.

dallow

07-09-2007, 08:07 PM

To be fair the Wii is sold out at Amazon and only available through 'other sellers'. Does Amazon count those as sales? I have never seen the Wii actually for sale FROM Amazon in a long ass time.Well, it has to right?
It comes in stock from time to time, and sells out instantly.

If they didn't, every video game would be beating the Wii.

crazytalkx

07-09-2007, 08:15 PM

It has to be number 1 for a reason. They just come in stock and quickly disappear when they do.
Like a ninja.

Freaking $$$$ers :lol:

KingBroly

07-09-2007, 08:20 PM

I'd hate to see Wii sales when they really increase production. (14 million units = 12 months :: 6 million units = 5 months)

just_sane

07-09-2007, 08:26 PM

It's because the Wii is all hype. I know many people who bought into the Wii hype, and never played it after getting sick of Wii Sports, and have no plans to buy more games for it. Wii is like iPod, to an extent.
.

I have to agree about the Wii. I have one and haven't played it in months, while I've been using the PS3 heaps. Thinking about actually getting rid of the Wii, it's just collecting dust.

coolz481

07-09-2007, 08:27 PM

I think Asiancore is right. I mean, although many who follow gaming knows it's a rip-off, but most casuals won't notice. Casuals like their console to come with a game, even if its a bad one.

And in this case, the pack-in game happens to be an excellent one. I'm hoping this means the developers have plans to extend Motorstorm awhile longer with new add-ons.

GizmoGC

07-09-2007, 10:15 PM

As for the red light...

The eagle-eyed writers over at Playstation Universe were the first to spot the mysterious red light emanating from the center of the Playstation 3 SIXAXIS seen on the new 80GB PS3 box. Could the glowing Home button, perhaps, be proof of a new and improved controller, maybe one with rumble?

Not so says SCEA, though their responses to our inquires and the one they posted on their site don't match up.

When contacted for comment by Kotaku, head Playstation PR guy Dave Karraker said that there was "nothing sneaky about the red light" adding that it was just an odd lighting effect and that there are no changes to the controller.

Patrick Seybold writes on the official Playstation Blog that the Home button glows red when you charge the debug controller and that it is not a sign or indication of a new controller for the 80GB model.

dallow

07-09-2007, 10:21 PM

As for the red light...I still want a debug controller.

It's stupid though, how would that giant glaring red button get past the print editor?

I bet we won't see it on the final box.

mtxbass1

07-09-2007, 10:25 PM

I still want a debug controller.

It's stupid though, how would that giant glaring red button get past the print editor?

I bet we won't see it on the final box.

Can we really trust anything that comes out of Sony PR anymore? Just the other day it was, "there will be no price drop", to today with "price drop and new console". It would not suprise me one bit if that red light was actually a button for home.

GizmoGC

07-09-2007, 10:28 PM

I still want a debug controller.

It's stupid though, how would that giant glaring red button get past the print editor?

I bet we won't see it on the final box.

The red light is pretty cool, but I bet that is till the 'proto' box art. Hopefully it wll change to reflect no glow...unless there will be a glow and Sony is just denying it.

GizmoGC

07-09-2007, 11:18 PM

Just watched that clip with Jack Tretton on CNBC....Damn. That was brutal to watch. Whats with the numbers? They just made up how much they felt Wii and 360 sold lol

Apossum

07-09-2007, 11:44 PM

Can we really trust anything that comes out of Sony PR anymore? Just the other day it was, "there will be no price drop", to today with "price drop and new console". It would not suprise me one bit if that red light was actually a button for home.

....

all companies deny everything until the day it's announced. but no, you can't trust any pr ever.

mwynn

07-09-2007, 11:48 PM

....

all companies deny everything until the day it's announced. but no, you can't trust any pr ever.
Can I trust Fox Mulder?

dpatel

07-09-2007, 11:49 PM

Apossum

07-09-2007, 11:56 PM

Can I trust Fox Mulder?

only if you want to believe.

GizmoGC

07-10-2007, 12:03 AM

only if you want to believe.

I don't. I want to trust Skully in that black thong...mmmm...

NamPaehc

07-10-2007, 12:29 AM

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4286/untitledcp9.jpg

Worked for a day.
Wii finally dethroned.

Now all they have to do is get Guitar Hero to work on the PS3...

FriskyTanuki

07-10-2007, 01:25 AM

They would be the worst PR ever if they announced a price drop in advance. As much as I hate Sony PR, they would be outright stupid to announce this price drop in advance. It would be like saying 'hey, don't buy our console for the next few weeks'.
The price drop went into effect today. The ads just don't show it specifically until next week. The 80GB SKU doesn't start until next month.

dpatel

07-10-2007, 01:32 AM

Ah ok. I haven't been paying attention because I already have a PS3. Either way, any sort of advanced announcement would've been stupid on their part.

dallow

07-10-2007, 01:38 AM

Good to see you posting again dpatel.

07-10-2007, 03:00 AM

The price drop went into effect today. The ads just don't show it specifically until next week. The 80GB SKU doesn't start until next month.

Yep, even saw the new "Price Cut" tag at Target tonight.

mr ryles

07-10-2007, 03:02 AM

so I guess now the talk is on microsoft making a price cut. Which I honestly think they don't have to. They are still the dominant console and they are still $100 cheaper than the ps3.

dpatel

07-10-2007, 03:16 AM

Good to see you posting again dpatel.

Thanks man. Been busy this summer, but back for some E3 goodness. I'm hoping Sony does not disappoint as this has been a pretty lackluster 9 months with my PS3 so far.

jovherye

07-10-2007, 03:20 AM

When the ps3 released it was at a 499 and 599 price point, and that hasn't changed. Still the same, price wise, anyways. It's defintely a cheap BR player, but a lot of the (USA)BR exclusives can be bought overseas on HD-DVD. So, until they have a REALLY killer app, I'm gonna pass.

Thomas96

07-10-2007, 06:41 AM

And in this case, the pack-in game happens to be an excellent one. I'm hoping this means the developers have plans to extend Motorstorm awhile longer with new add-ons.

That 80gb sku would be so much better if Motorstorm was two players and if the package had two controllers..

Serpentor

07-10-2007, 01:45 PM

so I guess now the talk is on microsoft making a price cut. Which I honestly think they don't have to. They are still the dominant console and they are still $100 cheaper than the ps3.
No they don't have to... MS don't have to cut the prices, they have to the fix the damn RROD problem first. Sorry, no love for the X360 until the piece of equipement is reliable enough to be used. No, extended warranty and free repair don't work for me. Also, i want the HD-DVD build in, not as an add-on. Yes, i'm willing to pay $600 for it... Dominant console? What a joke...

JokerCard

07-10-2007, 05:52 PM

YES!!

Got it pricematched today at BestBuy.

Bought the bundle set a couple weeks back with the 40" Sony TV. With the bundle it minused $400 off the PS3 making it $199.99

So I pricematched today and now the PS3 only costs $99.99

Plus since I bought it a couple weeks ago I couldnt get in on 5 free blu-rays. But I got a new reciept with todays date for the price match and now I can send it in :)

Today was an awesome day.
Thank you sweet Price Matching!

dallow

07-12-2007, 11:54 AM

New starter pack for Europe:

http://ps3.blogg.se/images/startpaket_1184247095.jpg

Layd Dly

07-12-2007, 12:01 PM

New starter pack for Europe:

I think that would sell better than the 80gb garbage combo we get. They give you 2 games actually worth $60 and a second controller.

But In Europe they will get ripped off either way with the markup they have over there just like they do now.

zewone

07-12-2007, 12:10 PM

New starter pack for Europe:

http://ps3.blogg.se/images/startpaket_1184247095.jpg
Jesus, what's that retail for $1000?

The system is already really expensive over there.

seanr1221

07-12-2007, 12:12 PM

Jesus, what's that retail for $1000?

ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

http://arbyte.us/blog_archive/2005/11/drevil_million_dollars.jpg

dallow

07-12-2007, 12:19 PM

599 Euros.

seanr1221

07-12-2007, 07:19 PM

Nice! I called my CostCo, and even though I bought it in May, they will give me the price difference!

127.00 here I come :D!!

dallow

07-12-2007, 07:20 PM

Damn, nice!'
You still have the receipt I assume?

whoknows

07-12-2007, 07:20 PM

So since it will be coming with Motorstorm, I guess the value of that game will plummet.

Sweet, I've been wanting to get it for awhile :-P

seanr1221

07-12-2007, 07:22 PM

Damn, nice!'
You still have the receipt I assume?

Yup, I'll be heading over in a few minutes. Can't argue with 127.00 cash.

So since it will be coming with Motorstorm, I guess the value of that game will plummet.

Sweet, I've been wanting to get it for awhile :-P

I hope so, I just sold mine to FYE for about 40.00. I'd pick it up again if I could find it for 25.00

zewone

07-12-2007, 07:23 PM

Nice! I called my CostCo, and even though I bought it in May, they will give me the price difference!

127.00 here I come :D!!
Go buy MGS2&3 with the moneyz.

seanr1221

07-12-2007, 07:31 PM

I'll do ya one better, I was going to get MGS2,3 AND Portable Ops.

whoknows

07-12-2007, 07:39 PM

I'll do ya one better, I was going to get MGS2,3 AND Portable Ops.
Play them in that order too ;)

evilmax17

07-13-2007, 11:58 AM

07-13-2007, 09:54 PM

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14685

$500 60GB PS3...is really more of a clearance than a price cut. Sony has no plans to make any more, and once the current stock sells out, it's discontinued.

PS3 effectively sticks to its $600 MSRP.

...OR, they could be doing what makes the most sense and waiting until the stock of 60GB clears out (which will probably take several months) and then drop the bundle on the 80GB and make it $499.99. So I'd argue that the PS3 is permanently at the $500 MSRP point, but there's temporarily a bundle that costs more as an incentive to clear out the "lesser" 60 GB models.

If, once the 60GB are all gone, they stick to this $600 bundle as the only available system I think that would be a huge mistake. We'll see by Christmas time what is going on...

The having 60GB for the forseeable future comment just reflects that there is a glut of 60GB are out in the channel now - either in stores, or in warehouses, etc... It makes no sense for them to continue producing those when they have the 80GB to make now. They won't drop the 80GB until those are nearly gone.