Price Drop Confirmed & New PS3 Bundle in August: 80GB HD + Motorstorm = $600

[CheapyD]

Via NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169850)

Looks like someone jumped the gun on this one:
http://www.kotv.com/news/national/story/?id=131051

Sony Corp. announced a revised PlayStation 3 console Monday with a bigger hard drive for storing downloaded content such as video games and high-definition movies.

The new $599 PS3 increases the system's storage capacity from 60 to 80 gigabytes and also includes a retail copy of the online racing title ``MotorStorm,'' a company spokesman said.

Starting Monday, the current 60 gigabyte model will cost $499 _ a $100 price drop.

The larger capacity machine won't be available in the United States and Canada until August.

It plays into the company's upcoming strategy of eventually offering
downloaded high-definition movies, video games, movie trailers and demos, Sony spokesman David Karraker said.

[Plinko]

Hmmm...decent deal, I guess, but I'm not sure how I feel about it.

For all the crap people gave Microsoft about the Elite, it seems that Sony has done just about the same thing by eliminating their own cleverly-dubbed "tard pack" and introduced a higher-end model. The major difference, though, is the pack-in game.

[alongx]

Hmmm...decent deal, I guess, but I'm not sure how I feel about it.

For all the crap people gave Microsoft about the Elite, it seems that Sony has done just about the same thing by eliminating their own cleverly-dubbed "tard pack" and introduced a higher-end model. The major difference, though, is the pack-in game.

I guess this is worth it (over the $500 60gb), if you see 20 extra GB of storage as worth $40, plus think that Motorstorm is actually worth the full $60 retail.

[Plinko]

I guess this is worth it (over the $500 60gb), if you see 20 extra GB of storage as worth $40, plus think that Motorstorm is actually worth the full $60 retail.

See, that's where I hesitate about this deal--I can't see many people feeling that the extra game and 20GB of hard drive is worth $100, especially when it takes the price up to $600. It will be interesting to see if this helps sales.

[NamPaehc]

Some of people here called this move (dumping the 20, moving the 60GB down and pushing the 80GB into the $600 slot based off the Korean pack) but it is good to see it confirmed.

A lot of people don't know you an upgrade the PS3's HD easily without special devices so this'll be a deal for some.

[mtxbass1]

So much for those 80GB consoles not hitting the US.

I still can't believe Sony would "phase out" a $499 version in favor of a higher priced $599 version. That is insane.

Edit: Who wants to bet this new 599 version won't include hardware emulation?

[PyroGamer]

Any other differences besides the measly 20GB and $100 price gap? (I mean, besides Sony's habit of REMOVING features from new versions of the PS3)

If not, this is fucking stupid.


Quick Sony! Now that you have MS on the ropes finish them off before they release a $580 model!

[CheapyD]

There is a chance the emotion engine chip will not be in this SKU.

[panasonic]

Any other differences besides the measly 20GB and $100 price gap?

If not, this is fucking stupid.


Quick Sony! Now that you have MS on the ropes finish them off before they release a $580 model!

:roll:

[botticus]

So, will they actually support two SKUs this time, or will they short ship the $499 60GB model before discontinuing it due to "lack of consumer interest?" And I'm not sure which is actually the better idea for them.

[PyroGamer]

There is a change the emotion engine chip will not be in this SKU.
:lol:



btw, why was the thread on this in the "General Industry News" forum closed??? Certainly this is big enough news to go there (at least if "Microsoft receiving 25,000xx consoles in UK alone" thread is).
:roll:
A very compelling point you bring up there... jackass.

[panasonic]

There is a change the emotion engine chip will not be in this SKU.

Is the ee going to soon be removed from the 60gbs?

[mykevermin]

Despite those gamers who won't be pleased with anything Sony does, they did manage to garner some goodwill with the $500 60GB model. This may harm it somewhat.

However, I also think that this will ultimately be a laughable model.

[botticus]

Despite those gamers who won't be pleased with anything Sony does, they did manage to garner some goodwill with the $500 60GB model. This may harm it somewhat.

However, I also think that this will ultimately be a laughable model.As long as they treat it as sort of an "enthusiast" model, like the Elite seems to be, where the 60GB model remains a viable option at retail (like the Premium, and unlike the 20GB PS3), it shouldn't have too much impact.

[Starky27]

Well, I guess I was half right about the $600 80GB PS3. I was hoping for a bundled Rumble SIXAXIS (RumbleAXIS?). I see no point in spending the extra $100 on a game that'll depreciate and 20 extra GB that can be supplanted with a larger HD at any time...

[mykevermin]

Of course. $600 would be reasonable with, say, a 120GB HDD...but a mere 20GB difference? No thanks, padre.

$500 60GB PS3 with 5 free Blu-Ray movies is a hell of a deal, but this model does nothing for me. I think it may also be that Motorstorm doesn't interest me in the slightest, and 20GB difference is irrelevant.

[mtxbass1]

I don't understand the jump to 80gb personally. 20gb is really nothing space-wise and cost wise, it should be very cheap to go up to a much larger drive (since the ps3 drive can be easily upgraded).

If Sony would have came out at 600 for a 200gb ps3, this may seem more interesting.

[oasisboy]

Hmmm, I think I might wait to buy Motorstorm until August... I can see ebay being flooded with this game considering those hardcore Sony fanboys buying the 80gb model and they might already have Motorstorm...

[NamPaehc]

Remember, this is coming out in other region(s) first where downloadable content is a lot more wide spread.

[Apossum]

$100 for 20gb and Motorstorm? yikes.

[Kendro]

What is the point of this model? 20 extra gigs and Motorstorm for $100 more? This mediocre package wouldn't help them at all (nor would it hurt them) so I don't understand why they would release a new SKU. There's gotta be some missing info or maybe it will be a limited release like the PSP Entertainment Pack.

[linkpwns]

Wait a minute, no included HD wires of any kind. Screw that, thanks anyway sony.

[dallow]

This isn't a good value.

Everyone should stick with the $499 model.

Wait a minute, no included HD wires of any kind. Screw that, thanks anyway sony.

Uh oh! You'll have to buy that 8 dollar HDMI cable yourself? Ouch!

[Apossum]

This isn't a good value.

Everyone should stick with the $499 model.



Uh oh! You'll have to buy that 8 dollar HDMI cable yourself? Ouch!


$8???!!! Damn, I just bought a 24karat gold, diamond encrusted Monster HDMI cable at Best Buy for $300!!!

[Crimson_Raven25]

wow why not just go out buy the 60gb modle and get 5 free BD and then easly buy a biger Hard Drive and just slip it in the ps3, so simple....a cave man can do this

[Dead of Knight]

Another idiotic move by Sony? Never thought I'd see THAT coming!

[linkpwns]

This isn't a good value.

Everyone should stick with the $499 model.



Uh oh! You'll have to buy that 8 dollar HDMI cable yourself? Ouch!

It is principle, not price.

Atleast the Elite came with the HDMI cable.

The point is, is that if they were gonna release a new version, atleast include more than a bigger hard drive and a game, considering you could install your own hard drive (If your hard drive envy is that bad.)

[dallow]

wow why not just go out buy the 60gb modle and get 5 free BD and then easly buy a biger Hard Drive and just slip it in the ps3, so simple....a cave man can do this

That's racist.

[dallow]

It is principle, not price.

Atleast the Elite came with the HDMI cable.

The point is, is that if they were gonna release a new version, atleast include more than a bigger hard drive and a game, considering you could install your own hard drive (If your hard drive envy is that bad.)
If that was your point, you should have made it your point. I didn't complain when I got composite cables with my Wii.
HDMI is the minority, and until then... well, you know.

I knew the jig.

[hufferstl]

I know the purpose of this move is to move more PS3s, but I think all this is going to do is force Microsoft's hand in a price drop for the 360. It is definitely a good time to be a CAG with no current-gen hardware.

[NamPaehc]

Hey guys, what if the price/bundle is only a temp? The Koren model is selling for $550... Not to much cheaper but I don't think it has a game.

[Crimson_Raven25]

That's racist.

me so swwy =[...:booty::booty::booty::booty:...j/k
but really aint in cheaper just doing that and getting the hdd from ebay??

[dallow]

me so swwy =[...:booty::booty::booty::booty:...j/k
but really aint in cheaper just doing that and getting the hdd from ebay?? I bought a 120GB drive off Newegg for like $70. And my Motorstorm only cost me $30..

$100 bucks well spent!

[pete5883]

I was surprised by this, until I remembered the PSP "Value Pack." Yeah...

[gokou36]

Shitty extra 20gig+shittyass game with no offline co-op, what the fuck are they thinking? They need to hire me instead of the dumbasses they have there now. They could offer other stuff such as bluetooth mic, keyboard or an extra rumble wireless. This is just crap.

[happy]

There's no way this would be $100 more for just 20 gigs and a game. If anything, sony should be promoting the fact that you can easily use any cheap hard drive you want. Maybe if they added another controller or Tekken 5: DR too.

What they really should have done IMHO is a PS3/PSP combo for $600.

[mwynn]

$100 for 20gb and Motorstorm? yikes.
What if there is more to the package. I will take a wait and see stance. There could be more to it.

[Crimson_Raven25]

an extra rumble wireless

wasnt the reason they took out rumble was becuz the got sued for using rumble

[linkpwns]

If that was your point, you should have made it your point. I didn't complain when I got composite cables with my Wii.
HDMI is the minority, and until then... well, you know.

I knew the jig.

Yea, but the Wii doesn't support HD.

And I didn't mean HDMI only, I was talking about HD cables in general, Component, HDMI, it doesn't matter.

[mtxbass1]

What if there is more to the package. I will take a wait and see stance. There could be more to it.

And what if there is less? If they remove the emotion engine, this is an even bigger blow for the higher price.

[mwynn]

And what if there is less? If they remove the emotion engine, this is an even bigger blow for the higher price.
Then I will ignore it. I do not see the point in complaining about something I am not interested in.

[botticus]

What they really should have done IMHO is a PS3/PSP combo for $600.Yeah, I would actually probably buy that pretty quickly. Figuring on getting a PSP when it drops below $150 anyway, so it would actually be a good value. But nah, they're just making me wait. Their loss.

[b3b0p]

Isn't one of the selling points of the PS3 is that the hard drive is user replaceable? $100 more, now anyway, for 20GB and a mediocre game?

[dallow]

Yea, but the Wii doesn't support HD.

And I didn't mean HDMI only, I was talking about HD cables in general, Component, HDMI, it doesn't matter.Like I said, majority rules. (though I think S-video, and possibly component are the new majority)

The Elite's target customers were those who wanted to upgrade and already owned the system.

If you want a real HD component, you have to have HDMI out.

[The Mana Knight]

WTF Sony. I fucking want to drop you after making such a stupid move. I thought you were getting things right by lowering the price of the price, but you release another SKU. First MS messes up by doing this (hurting their sales), and now Sony??? WTF is up with Sony and MS. I'm not really liking Nintendo's direction on gaming either, so I might fucking drop gaming all together.

[KingBroly]

Does anyone know if this model will include hardware emulation of PS1/PS2 games? Or will it be the horrible Software emulation? and if lower-end PS3's will follow suit or not?

[GizmoGC]

If that was your point, you should have made it your point. I didn't complain when I got composite cables with my Wii.
HDMI is the minority, and until then... well, you know.

I knew the jig.

The Wii is not really HD at all. Thats a pretty bad comparison. My $400 launch 360 included Component cables, something the $500/$600 PS3 did not even do. For those who spent $600 on a PS3 that is apparently a next-next generation system, not including an HDMI is a slap in the face.

As for this pricecut...ugh. They should have just left it at $499 and not intorduce this new model. How long before the 60GB is discontinued? 20GB and MotorStorm is NOT worth $100 more at all. I can't imagine the average costumer filling up a 60GB drive with the little offerings the PSN has. Atleast the 360 has TV Shows and Movies.

[GizmoGC]

What they really should have done IMHO is a PS3/PSP combo for $600.

That would have been awesome actually. That makes too much sense so Sony would never do it.

[seanr1221]

Pretty stupid move, they should have just stuck with the 499.99 model.

[JJSP]

What's really sad is that Sony has nothing better to bundle with an 80GB system than Motorstorm. Resistance was supposed to be Sony's Gears/Halo killer, has sold 2M copies, and gets left behind in favor of a mediocre racing game.

[seanr1221]

Resistance is rated M.

[GizmoGC]

Resistance is rated M.

So was Halo and MS included that in a bundle.

I can't imagine anyone spending $100 more for 20GB extra and a game which can be had for about $40 or so.

[seanr1221]

So was Halo and MS included that in a bundle.

...in a limited edition green xbox?

There's a difference.

[mmercer13]

100.00 extra for 20GB more and motorstorm just doesn't seem worth it to me. They should have just made it 100GB.

[gokou36]

wasnt the reason they took out rumble was becuz the got sued for using rumble

Damn dude, where have you been? Thats been settled and they will have rumble but nobody knows when.

[linkpwns]

I just wanted to note that I am not against Sony.

As a matter of fact, I want a PS3 by the end of this year and I'm just trying to make the right choice is all.

Sure, I won't go with this model, but now the 60 gig is only 500... a decent deal

[mtxbass1]

Does anyone know if this model will include hardware emulation of PS1/PS2 games? Or will it be the horrible Software emulation? and if lower-end PS3's will follow suit or not?

Cheapy has already posted that the emotion engine will be removed from this version. The Korean 80gb PS3's have the chip removed as well. It's only logical that this version does not include the emotion engine in a hardware form.

[zewone]

This is stupid.

Give us back the 20GBs with a $400 pricetag.

[dallow]

That would have been awesome actually. That makes too much sense so Sony would never do it.Actually, I quite agree with that.

Give us back the 20GBs with a $400 pricetag.
Pretty much impossible.
I don't think Sony is willing to take a roughly $300 loss on a system.

[magiic]

I bet this is all part of an elaborate viral marketing ploy. Next christmas sony will have a big press conference and go "SIKE, we had you all fooled here is the real PS3 w/ HDMI cable and a 200GB hard drive for 399.99" they're just toying with us now

[JJSP]

Resistance is rated M.
In Australia, Microsoft bundled their 360 with Gears Of War. In the UK, Nintendo bundled their Gamecube with Resident Evil 4. Not saying it's likely, but if Sony wants to market a $600 system to gamers, they might want to include a game aimed at people who actually HAVE $600.

[GizmoGC]

...in a limited edition green xbox?

There's a difference.

At this point I think every PS3 'system' is a limited edition. I can't see this being $600 lasting for long. Eventually Motorstorm will drop in price and make this $600 deal even lamer. I'm sure the next one will include Rumble controllers, making all current controllers now obsolete.

[JJSP]

Actually, I quite agree with that.


Pretty much impossible.
I don't think Sony is willing to take a roughly $300 loss on a system.
They already were by selling the 60GB $250 below cost. Can't imagine that an 80GB at the same price will do much to help the cause.

[seanr1221]

In Australia, Microsoft bundled their 360 with Gears Of War. In the UK, Nintendo bundled their Gamecube with Resident Evil 4. Not saying it's likely, but if Sony wants to market a $600 system to gamers, they might want to include a game aimed at people who actually HAVE $600.

We're not Australia or the UK are we? ;)

At this point I think every PS3 'system' is a limited edition. I can't see this being $600 lasting for long. Eventually Motorstorm will drop in price and make this $600 deal even lamer.

Yes, every PS3 is limited edition :roll: great argument.

And ever game will drop in price making every pack in game a lame deal.*

*And yes, I am well aware Wii sports can't drop in price, so it doesn't apply here

[Apossum]

Instead, they should've manufactured Sony branded HDDs, priced it normally
($60-75 for 80gb?) and made MS look like, rather, show how MS is playing 360 owners for a bunch of brain dead monkeys by selling them 20gb for $100.

[CheapyD]

Cheapy has already posted that the emotion engine will be removed from this version. The Korean 80gb PS3's have the chip removed as well. It's only logical that this version does not include the emotion engine in a hardware form.

I said there is a chance it could be removed...but yeah, it does seem likely.

[CouRageouS]

This is stupid.

Give us back the 20GBs with a $400 pricetag.
Thats actually a great idea. It would be more reasonable and users can just put in a bigger drive for a fraction of the cost.

[Apossum]

At this point I think every PS3 'system' is a limited edition. I can't see this being $600 lasting for long. Eventually Motorstorm will drop in price and make this $600 deal even lamer. I'm sure the next one will include Rumble controllers, making all current controllers now obsolete.


:lol: umm...I forgot rumble is missing. it's really not a key feature that makes all controllers obsolete (now putting dual analog sticks on a controller...that rendered the regular PS1 controller obsolete..) but it's coming back anyway and will probably be in this bundle.

[dallow]

They already were by selling the 60GB $250 below cost. Can't imagine that an 80GB at the same price will do much to help the cause.Price difference between an 80 and 60 GB drive, wholesale, is almost nothing.

[Zoglog]

wow, I guess my predictions came true and they actually made it cheaper, plus the motorstorm bundle in. nice.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138632&highlight=80gb

[zewone]

($60-75 for 80gb?) and made MS look like, rather, show how MS is playing 360 owners for a bunch of brain dead monkeys by selling them 20gb for $100.
No need to insult the customers.

What are consumers supposed to do if its the only rational option for saving games?

They have to take the raping.

[dallow]

My main problem with this 'bundle' is that it's just going to confuse the consumer.

One SKU, ONE!!!!

[The Mana Knight]

In Australia, Microsoft bundled their 360 with Gears Of War. In the UK, Nintendo bundled their Gamecube with Resident Evil 4. Not saying it's likely, but if Sony wants to market a $600 system to gamers, they might want to include a game aimed at people who actually HAVE $600.It's because Sony wants to sell to the mass market usually, and they don't want to limit their console to people 17 or over. MS does that at times (since that's all they are marketing), so it's not as much of a problem for them. Also, they make it somewhat limited.

Actually, I might drop console gaming and go mostly handhelds.

[Apossum]

No need to insult the customers.

What are consumers supposed to do if its the only rational option for saving games?

They have to take the raping.


not saying they are brain dead monkeys, i said MS is playing them for brain dead monkeys...seriously, there should've been riots in Redmond by now over their pricing structure.


Gotta pay for the Xbox 1 somehow, I guess :roll:

makes me wonder how they'll screw everyone next gen to pay for the extended warranties...maybe they'll make Halo cost $200 for the first year it's out, then $60 after that :lol:

[hufferstl]

Noone knows this yet. Anything you hear until Sony clears up the issue is just someone guessing.

Does anyone know if this model will include hardware emulation of PS1/PS2 games? Or will it be the horrible Software emulation? and if lower-end PS3's will follow suit or not?

[CheapyD]

Fwiw, the 80GB PS3's that launched in Korea had the Emotion Engine removed.
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/others/0,39037627,62014900,00.htm
The 80GB PS3 on sale in Korea, like the existing European 60GB edition, will rely on software emulation for backward compatibility, as it, too, lacks the Emotion Engine chip that was present in the original models on sale in Japan and the US. Sony said in a statement that the Korean PS3 version is "identical to the European model in terms of all other technical specs (apart from the size of the hard drive)."

[evilmax17]

It's a strange move, to say the least.

Not much has changed. You still pay $500 for the lesser model PS3, and $600 for the higher model. Both have received a few technical upgrades, but that was never a huge area for complaint with the PS3 to begin with.

Sony's trying, and that's a good thing, but I can't help but feel underwhelmed.

[Zoglog]

It's a strange move, to say the least.

Not much has changed. You still pay $500 for the lesser model PS3, and $600 for the higher model. Both have received a few technical upgrades, but that was never a huge area for complaint with the PS3 to begin with.

Sony's trying, and that's a good thing, but I can't help but feel underwhelmed.

it's the perception. Even though the 20GB version wasn't gimped very much at all and was the better deal, people still swarmed all over the 60GB and everyone felt that you HAD to have that version. Mainly due to the stigma of the crappy core system MS released. This way it's just HD space difference and a game and now people will perceive the ps3 as being 499 rather than 599

[Apossum]

It's a strange move, to say the least.

Not much has changed. You still pay $500 for the lesser model PS3, and $600 for the higher model. Both have received a few technical upgrades, but that was never a huge area for complaint with the PS3 to begin with.

Sony's trying, and that's a good thing, but I can't help but feel underwhelmed.


they don't have much room to move, but this will generate some good PR before they release a bunch of high profile titles this Winter.

[GizmoGC]

not saying they are brain dead monkeys, i said MS is playing them for brain dead monkeys...seriously, there should've been riots in Redmond by now over their pricing structure.


Gotta pay for the Xbox 1 somehow, I guess :roll:

makes me wonder how they'll screw everyone next gen to pay for the extended warranties...maybe they'll make Halo cost $200 for the first year it's out, then $60 after that :lol:

Yeah and I'm sure Sony will offer all of us replacements when the Rumble controllers come :roll: .

[GizmoGC]

they don't have much room to move, but this will generate some good PR before they release a bunch of high profile titles this Winter.

I don't know how much good PR this will spin. $100 off and now a new model? The new model brings nothing new to the table except an extra 20GB + Pack-In game. Atleast the Elite had HDMI, 100GB more, Black, and an HDMI Cable. I think on Tuesday (?) when MS has there E3 show they will be announcing some price cuts. If that happens it will steal whatever thunder this would have accomplished.

[mykevermin]

I don't know how much good PR this will spin. $100 off and now a new model? The new model brings nothing new to the table except an extra 20GB + Pack-In game. At least the Elite had HDMI, 100GB more, Black, and an HDMI Cable. I think on Tuesday (?) when MS has there E3 show they will be announcing some price cuts. If that happens it will steal whatever thunder this would have accomplished.

At least the Elite had *black*?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: EDIT: All the PS3 consoles have "black," so that just goes to show you how crappy the 360 is. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This kid is just as foolish and biased as The Mana Knight, and deserves recognition for being so. Don't be neglectful, kids.

Also, if you think a 360 price cut is going to coincide with MS' $1 Billion apology for making unreliable consoles, then you're an absolute fool.

People's heads are poisoned enough that, despite a handful of good games, and dozens of excellent (and exclusive) titles on the horizon, the cries of "OMG PS3 HAZ NOE GAMEZ!!!!" are still heard running rampant. There appears to be a perception, perhaps strictly among hardcore gamers, that the PS3 doesn't have anything appealing, and that the 360 does. If that mentality is pervasive enough, then there's no need to drop the 360's price, now, is there?

I do want to echo a sentiment made by others (including this dimwit): the "HDMI cables can be bought for $5" argument, while valid, does more to support those who think Sony should include them in the box. If they are so cheap, then it's rather selfish (and contrary to argument of PS3 being a true HD system) of Sony to give everyone standard RCA cables.

[GizmoGC]

At least the Elite had *black*?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This kid is just as foolish and biased as The Mana Knight, and deserves recognition for being so. Don't be neglectful, kids.


Yes, its DIFFERENT from the other 360's so why wouldn't I mention it? :roll:

[blueweltall]

I think a $500 PS3 is a way better deal than a $470 Elite.

[dallow]

The Killzone 2 event is the 10th as well right?

I think a $500 PS3 is a way better deal than a $470 Elite.

Especially if you're into watching hi-def movies.

[seanr1221]

At least the Elite had *black*?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This kid is just as foolish and biased as The Mana Knight, and deserves recognition for being so. Don't be neglectful, kids.

Also, if you think a 360 price cut is going to coincide with MS' $1 Billion apology for making unreliable consoles, then you're an absolute fool.

People's heads are poisoned enough that, despite a handful of good games, and dozens of excellent (and exclusive) titles on the horizon, the cries of "OMG PS3 HAZ NOE GAMEZ!!!!" are still heard running rampant. There appears to be a perception, perhaps strictly among hardcore gamers, that the PS3 doesn't have anything appealing, and that the 360 does. If that mentality is pervasive enough, then there's no need to drop the 360's price, now, is there?

:applause:

Yes, people call out Mana Knight a lot (and he does say some stupid-pro sony shit) but I don't hear too much about Gizmo...when he calls the PS3 a piece of shit in his sig, and would rather play Pirates on 360 and Mario Party on the Wii over Ninja Gaiden Sigma :lol:

[dallow]

:applause:

Yes, people call out Mana Knight a lot (and he does say some stupid-pro sony shit) but I don't hear too much about Gizmo...when he calls the PS3 a piece of shit in his sig, and would rather play Pirates on 360 and Mario Party on the Wii over Ninja Gaiden Sigma :lol:Plus, he expressed interest in the remote play features for getting the E3 content..... wtf?

[GizmoGC]

:applause:

Yes, people call out Mana Knight a lot (and he does say some stupid-pro sony shit) but I don't hear too much about Gizmo...when he calls the PS3 a piece of shit in his sig, and would rather play Pirates on 360 and Mario Party on the Wii over Ninja Gaiden Sigma :lol:

:lol: Yeah, Fanboy am I. I updated my signature as well.

[seanr1221]

:lol: Yeah, Fanboy am I. I updated my signature as well.

:roll: but if I said, "Currently playing: pretty much everything on the PS3! Nothing on the 360, it's a piece of shit lawls!" I wouldn't be labeled a fanboy?

[RAMSTORIA]

if i can get my hands on a 20gig for 400 or less im going to buy one soon.

[GizmoGC]

:roll: but if I said, "Currently playing: pretty much everything on the PS3! Nothing on the 360, it's a piece of shit lawls!" I wouldn't be labeled a fanboy?

Label me a fanboy, I don't care nor ever have. Show me a good game on PS3 and I will play it. So far, I am not impressed, and apparently now many others with the paltry sales and "price drop' 7 months after launch. How long has it been for the 360 with no pricedrop? What about the "GameCube" 1.5 Wii? Why is something self labeled as the "Next-Next Generation" system having to "drop" $100?

[dallow]

I'm actually curious what's going t happens to those stray 20GB models floating out there pricing wise.

Might be a good deal if you find one.
I'm VERY happy with mine.

[GizmoGC]

if i can get my hands on a 20gig for 400 or less im going to buy one soon.

Hmm. What about the few 20GBs still on shelves? Will those change in price at all? Has ANYONE seen any at all in the past few weeks?

[dallow]

Resistance and NG Sigma are both excellent.

But I guess Pirates and Mario Party 8 are better. ;)

[GizmoGC]

Resistance and NG Sigma are both excellent.

But I guess Pirates and Mario Party 8 are better. ;)

Played 2 levels of Pirates and still have yet to put burned MP8 in my system. I simply put whatever came to mind on my 'playing' section. Feel free to check my gamertag and prove me wrong.

[dallow]

IE: Go rent Resistance and NG Sigma.

[seanr1221]

Played 2 levels of Pirates and still have yet to put burned MP8 in my system. I simply put whatever came to mind on my 'playing' section. Feel free to check my gamertag and prove me wrong.

Instead of wasting anytime with either of those shitty games, make some time for sigma.

Oh noes, wait, PS3 is the suxxorz, I forgot.

[dallow]

Instead of wasting anytime with either of those shitty games, make some time for sigma.

Oh noes, wait, PS3 is the suxxorz, I forgot.NG Sigma be too hard! Needs more waggle!

[mwynn]

Played 2 levels of Pirates and still have yet to put burned MP8 in my system. I simply put whatever came to mind on my 'playing' section. Feel free to check my gamertag and prove me wrong.
Did level 2 of Pirates involve that burned Mario Party game?

[mykevermin]

Label me a fanboy, I don't care nor ever have. Show me a good game on PS3 and I will play it. So far, I am not impressed, and apparently now many others with the paltry sales and "price drop' 7 months after launch. How long has it been for the 360 with no pricedrop? What about the "GameCube" 1.5 Wii? Why is something self labeled as the "Next-Next Generation" system having to "drop" $100?

The pricedrop is due to lagging sales of the console, and the (late) realization that the console is overpriced for the market.

As for games...well, hohoHO!! You got me there, with that stunning logic! That's the big secret: there is NOTHING for the PS3! NO good games. In fact, playing Resistance made me sterile, so now I'll never have children. fl0w is piece of crap, and 360 owners would TOTALLY never wet themselves with joy if it came out in the marketplace for 1200 points. You're so correct. The PS3 is complete crap. It's such a piece of crap that nobody wants to buy one. So, since you'll never sell your (HAWHAW!) "POS3" that I'm offering you $75 right now for it (shipped). PM me your address, I'll get a money order in the morning. ;)

Now, I could say that about any system: What good games are there for the PS2? The SNES? The NES? And, after people list game after game after game, I can fold my arms and turn my nose up at them like a toddler being offered brussels sprouts - just to satisfy myself and reaffirm the "rightness" of my perspective that this particular system is lousy.

Now, I've got to go back to enjoying my PS3, which means, of course, staring at it. Since there aren't any good games, after all. Maybe I'll spend $7 for a movie I can download and only watch one time! Oh, wait! Sony doesn't offer overpriced pseudo-rentals! They suck at business!

I'm actually curious what's going t happens to those stray 20GB models floating out there pricing wise.

Probably nothing, since there has been no official MSRP change on it - the occasional clearance tag and fortunate soul, but like a Circuit City clearance sale, there will only be so many copies of the highly-sought after clearance games.

Played 2 levels of Pirates and still have yet to put burned MP8 in my system. I simply put whatever came to mind on my 'playing' section. Feel free to check my gamertag and prove me wrong.

So, a burned Mario Party, eh? I guess the inability to pirate games makes the PS3 junk, in your opinion?

[GizmoGC]

IE: Go rent Resistance and NG Sigma.

No interest in Resistance at all. Played a few hours...nothing but an average shooter that was only 'great' because it was a launch title.. NG may be something I buy later on when its cheap, right now I have no intentions of spending $60 for a Re-Re-Release with updated graphics. My PS3 will be going bye-bye as soon as a decent Dual Format player comes along after October.

[RAMSTORIA]

Hmm. What about the few 20GBs still on shelves? Will those change in price at all? Has ANYONE seen any at all in the past few weeks?

im not sure how many are available in stores, but i have seen more than a few retailers with them online. im just gonna sit back and wait to see if they drop too, hopefully they do.

[blueweltall]

Label me a fanboy, I don't care nor ever have. Show me a good game on PS3 and I will play it. So far, I am not impressed, and apparently now many others with the paltry sales and "price drop' 7 months after launch. How long has it been for the 360 with no pricedrop? What about the "GameCube" 1.5 Wii? Why is something self labeled as the "Next-Next Generation" system having to "drop" $100?

To get more PS3 and Blu ray player in people homes.

[GizmoGC]

Did level 2 of Pirates involve that burned Mario Party game?

Errr...no. Both were burned? I'm confused.

[GizmoGC]

im not sure how many are available in stores, but i have seen more than a few retailers with them online. im just gonna sit back and wait to see if they drop too, hopefully they do.

Ive only seen them in stores a few times...but not in the past few months. For the handful left I wonder if they would be $400?

[dallow]

Yeah, first couple hours are average. EVERYONE knows this.

Then it becomes one of the best FPS games out there.

Should have invested just a bit more. Ya missed out.

[GizmoGC]

Yeah, first couple hours are average. EVERYONE knows this.

Then it becomes one of the best FPS games out there.

Should have invested just a bit more. Ya missed out.

I played like 4-5 hours of it. I don't care for FPS games that much so if it didn't pull me in then, I won't ever go back to it. Lost Planet I really enjoy, but its a bit different then Resistance.

[dallow]

Lost Planet is underappreciated.
Poor Capcom.

[zewone]

Lost Planet sucks and Resistance is just good, not great.

[GizmoGC]

Lost Planet sucks and Resistance is just good, not great.

It sucked so bad yet you beat the entire game in 2 days :booty:

[zewone]

It sucked so bad yet you beat the entire game in 2 days :booty:
It's only like 5 hours long.

I beat it, just so when I said it sucked, someone didn't call me out like dallow just called you out, by just playing the first couple of hours.

It probably has the worst last boss this generation.

[GizmoGC]

It's only like 5 hours long.

I beat it, just so when I said it sucked, someone didn't call me out like dallow just called you out, by just playing the first couple of hours.

It probably has the worst last boss this generation.

I have no interest in ever playing Resistance again. I wont play through a shitty just to say I played through it.

Agreed about the boss. WTF was that? Kingdom Hearts I and II had the same crap as well.

[mr ryles]

I have no interest in ever playing Resistance again. I wont play through a shitty just to say I played through it.



yet you did it with lost planet?

[mykevermin]

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/allpolitics/0410/gallery.off.topic/gall.off.topic.jpg

...and how.

[dallow]

Myke, what do you think will happen to the stray 20GBs out there that show up on Amazon and such?

[gokou36]

:applause:

Yes, people call out Mana Knight a lot (and he does say some stupid-pro sony shit) but I don't hear too much about Gizmo...when he calls the PS3 a piece of shit in his sig, and would rather play Pirates on 360 and Mario Party on the Wii over Ninja Gaiden Sigma :lol:

Actually I call him out all the time but he doesn't mind because he knows its true. He's just a stupid fanboy who thinks the PS3 sucks because he can't pirate it like he can the other 2 consoles.

[mykevermin]

From resellers? Probably $425-450. They'll be around, for certain. It depends on how the software emulation turns out - it may make the 20GB more desirable if it isn't good, and people want a console that will assuredly play their PS2/1 catalog. I don't see the lack of wireless/card slots making a big difference in price, really. I'd be shocked if they started selling on eBay for under $400.

[GizmoGC]

So Sony officially announced the Price drop as of Monday. Wonder why they did this instead of at E3 instead? Is it so they can say they did it first, before Microsoft may infact due Tuesday at the press release? That they were not forced to do to MS doing it earlier?

[dallow]

At first I thought I just misread.

But is gizmo here playing pirated games on 360 and Wii?

[Furashu]

hmmm wonder what M$ will do to "counter"

[GizmoGC]

yet you did it with lost planet?

You want to go through gamertags? I see a ton of shitty games that you not only played all the way through, but were compelled enough to get all the achievements for. I know I played through some crappy ones, but so did my GF (Open Season and Cars comes to mind).

[CheapyD]

hmmm wonder what M$ will do to "counter"

Xbox 360 Ultra Elite with 140GB HD and Dirt bundle for $480 ;)

[GizmoGC]

At first I thought I just misread.

But is gizmo here playing pirated games on 360 and Wii?

Yes, I have been for some time and have posted about it before. How do you think I am playing Mario Chargers on the Wii for the past month? I buy alot of games, but not all of them. Take a stroll over to the PSP/DS forums and everyone there downloads ISO's and ROMs and thinks nothing of it. Regardless, we are getting way off track now.

[mykevermin]

At first I thought I just misread.

But is gizmo here playing pirated games on 360 and Wii?

Wii at the least. firmware hacks on the 360 make playing pirated games, even over live, extraordinarily easy, so I'd be more surprised if he bought 360 games than if he pirated them.

...so much for on topic. Even I strayed.

[GizmoGC]

Xbox 360 Ultra Elite with 140GB HD and Dirt bundle for $480 ;)


I hope they wait until the 65mn chips are out first atleast so we could distinguish between them. I'll upgrade my Elite when that happens.

I fully expect to see Core $199, Premium $299, and Elite $399 come Tuesday. If not that, then $50 off each. I know the Elite is still somewhat hard for people to find, so I imagine Premiums will fly off shelves instead.

[mr ryles]

I already have a ps3 so this doesn't effect me, just thought I would join in on how crappy lost planet is.

[GizmoGC]

Wii at the least. firmware hacks on the 360 make playing pirated games, even over live, extraordinarily easy, so I'd be more surprised if he bought 360 games than if he pirated them.

...so much for on topic. Even I strayed.

Wii requires a chip. 360 is indeed just a firmware hack. In this day and age its easier to download and burn a game to see if its worth $60 then spend $8 on a rental at Blockbuster. Even if I could feasibly burn a PS3 game I would still have nothing to play except maybe NG.

[TC]

I don't get it. They drop the 60GB to $499 and have the 5 free movies deal going. Thats a decent deal. Now they announce a new $599 bundle which adds 20GB and a game that should be $30 bucks by Fall. Whoever thought this up should take two weeks off then quit.

I have to try to pick up one of the price drop consoles the day after their press conference. Just to make sure they don't add rumble in at the last second.

[dallow]

Yes, I have been for some time and have posted about it before. How do you think I am playing Mario Chargers on the Wii for the past month? I buy alot of games, but not all of them. Take a stroll over to the PSP/DS forums and everyone there downloads ISO's and ROMs and thinks nothing of it. Regardless, we are getting way off track now.

MY LAST OT POST.

Oh ok. Well, I didn't know anyone was playing Strikers.

BD really do prevent piracy (for a long while now at least), go Sony!

[GizmoGC]

I already have a ps3 so this doesn't effect me, just thought I would join in on how crappy lost planet is.

Considering its sold over a Million copies I don't think many people share that opinion.

[KingBroly]

Do they pull out the emotion engine chipset in North America with this? That's my big PS3 million dollar question.

[GizmoGC]

MY LAST OT POST.

Oh ok. Well, I didn't know anyone was playing Strikers.

BD really do prevent piracy (for a long while now at least), go Sony!

For the time being. Blu-Ray burners are too expensive and IIRC not all the games have been 'cracked'. Still, with a replaceable hard drive I expect hackers to figure out how to burn directly onto the HDD instead of a disc eventually. They always do.

Lets try to stay on topic....just this once :)

[mr ryles]

Considering its sold over a Million copies I don't think many people share that opinion.

people fell into the hype, that's why I own a copy.

[zewone]

Do they pull out the emotion engine chipset in North America with this? That's my big PS3 million dollar question.
Which probably won't be answered until August.

[GizmoGC]

Do they pull out the emotion engine chipset in North America with this? That's my big PS3 million dollar question.

As already posted in this thread a few times, its unknown, but expected to be removed. The 80GB Korean version does not have the EE Chip so this very well may not.

[seanr1221]

people fell into the hype, that's why I own a copy.

Same here...well...owned in my case.

[MarkMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmBCLtgoTR8

[KingBroly]

Will it just be for the 80gb model they stop the EE? I really think for the North American market, they NEED those EE chips in there. Or else a lot of PS2 owners will cross sides.

[dallow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmBCLtgoTR8
Launching a new download service?
Hmm, the PSN store getting a revamp this E3 as has been said many times?

[zewone]

Launching a new download service?
Hmm, the PSN store getting a revamp this E3 as has been said many times?
They've been talking about a video marketplace similar to the 360's for awhile now.

[mr ryles]

They've been talking about a video marketplace similar to the 360's for awhile now.

isn't that the main reason this new 80GB is in place?

[daphatty]

This price drop is officially worthless. The extra 20 gigs do not justify an additional $100 cost, nor does the inclusion of a "free game." Sony, you can go fuck yourself.

[dallow]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1434/757875987_e697ccc09d.jpg

[mr ryles]

This price drop is officially worthless. The extra 20 gigs do not justify an additional $100 cost, nor does the inclusion of a "free game." Sony, you can go fuck yourself.

At least this current $499 price drop is good.

[KingBroly]

Well, we know music is coming to their store. Video would cut into their Blu-Ray sales. But, TV shows, especially shows in all markets would be nice.

As for downloadable content...I guess that means a harder difficulty level in Sonic the Hedgehog.

[dallow]

This price drop is officially worthless. The extra 20 gigs do not justify an additional $100 cost, nor does the inclusion of a "free game." Sony, you can go fuck yourself.Why? What's stopping you from buying the 60GB one?

[Apossum]

whats with the red light on the controller? I guess that's the rumble controller...

[KingBroly]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1434/757875987_e697ccc09d.jpg

I guess that's how it's justified. A shiny PS logo button.

[Apossum]

says "limited edition" too. So, it's just a temporary bundle, not a permanent sku, thankfully.

[toper]

Why? What's stopping you from buying the 60GB one?


Exactly what I was thinking. How does the price drop of one sku effect the "value" of another? That made no sense.

[dallow]

Notice it says 'limited edition" on the box.

[eatntae]

Hasn't the emotion engine chip already been removed from North America and Japan? I haven't really followed the PS3 scene, but I found this link via wikipedia

http://www.psu.com/node/8983

Does this mean the 60GB PS3s that are currently in stores do not have the emotion engine? Is there anyway to tell?

[mr ryles]

Whats wrong with an emotion engine?

Am I a newb? Maybe.

But I would like to know the answer

[zewone]

whats with the red light on the controller?
it's become self aware.

August=SKYnet is launched, folding@HOME is people!:lol:

[NamPaehc]

Notice it says 'limited edition" on the box.

That is what I guessed this was.

[Apossum]

it's become self aware.

August=SKYnet is launched, folding@HOME is people!:lol:


we thought we were curing cancer...we were really rendering an army of murderous robots...in 4D

[zewone]

Whats wrong with an emotion engine?

Am I a newb? Maybe.

But I would like to know the answer
It's basically a PS2 inside the current PS3, to cut costs Sony took it out of the PS3 in some regions and replaced it with software emulation, less games work with emulation rather than just using the PS2 chipset.

[mykevermin]

Whats wrong with an emotion engine?

Am I a newb? Maybe.

But I would like to know the answer

No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.

[mr ryles]

so the emotion engine is a good thing, no?

[zewone]

so the emotion engine is a good thing, no?
Yes.
Them taking it out = bad.

[NamPaehc]

No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.

The PS1 games are software only currently though?

[Zoglog]

No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.

not exatly like Microsoft. The Biggest problem with Microsoft is they farmed out the original xbox's graphics architecture to Nvidia and ended up in a squabble. Problem is Nvidia owns the rights to that, whereas in this generation Microsoft got smart and acquired the technology they outsourced.

[zewone]

The PS1 games are software only currently though?
I think so, but the PS2 had a PS1 chipset inside it as well.

I'm not sure if they, through the years, have implemented it in the EE.

[mykevermin]

The PS1 games are software only currently though?

As far as I know, yes. It's not a problem for the PS3, so there are few, if any, incompatibility issues.

not exatly like Microsoft. The Biggest problem with Microsoft is they farmed out the original xbox's graphics architecture to Nvidia and ended up in a squabble. Problem is Nvidia owns the rights to that, whereas in this generation Microsoft got smart and acquired the technology they outsourced.

I preferred the shortn'sweet answer - hardwarewise, it will be a far easier task for Sony. Then again, given MS' commitment to BC, that's hardly a feather in Sony's cap.

[KingBroly]

I think it's hardware (I tried Final Fantasy 7 and it worked, and as we all know, FF7 isn't on their PS1 emulation list).

EDIT:
BTW, this was on my brother's PS3 a few months ago.

[msdmoney]

This should have been $550 IMO. The $500 price was a good drop, this is as bad as the 360 elite pricing.

[nonggame]

Here is the box pic. of the new 80 gig model. ^__^
http://www.gamingbits.com/content/view/2292/2/

[Justin42]

I *think* all US/Japanese models still have the EE. (isn't that the consensus from earlier in the thread?) The 80gb models, and conceivably 60gb models eventually (sooner rather than later) look likely to not have the EE.

[Vanigan]

Argh, Sony, you fools, you god damned fools.

If MS announces even a slight price drop, Sony is getting creamed. Of course, this could mean MS won't be in a hurry to drop the price either.

They'll have their exclusives, but that won't matter if no one is there to buy them. Not to mention that if the sales base isn't there, FF13 and MGS4 could very well get a 360 port.

The $100 drop on the 60gb was a good move, but the sheer stupidity of new 80gb version's announcement is beyond me. They've just undone any good press the price drop had by giving people something that's still at $600, but with nothing new.

This is going to put a ton of pressure on their 1st part exclusives to deliver something amazing.

[NamPaehc]

This should have been $550 IMO. The $500 price was a good drop, this is as bad as the 360 elite pricing.

It is that much in Korean (only version they get), but without the free game.

[io]

This should have been $550 IMO. The $500 price was a good drop, this is as bad as the 360 elite pricing.

I don't see how the Elite is nearly as bad as this ;). I bought an Elite (not having a 360 before and looking at Elite vs Premium it seemed obvious to me to pick the Elite). In this case, it seems obvious to me to pick the old $499 SKU. MAYBE if they had given this a 160GB HD it might just start being worth it - that's the same HD upgrade the Elite has (100GB more) and then you could consider an addtional $20 for Motorstorm. But, as others have said, much to Sony's credit they don't have the proprietary HD, so saying this 20GB bump is worth $40 or $50 (if you consider Motorstorm to be worth $50 or $60) is an insult.

They should just replace the 60GB version with this 80GB one (without Motorstorm of course) at the $499 price point - especially if they nix the EE in these new models. Probably this is what will happen in the long run. So now I'm back to waiting it out a bit more (seriously, had they not introduced this I might have gotten a 60GB now - but now I'd rather wait to see what they change up for this Fall).

Just to break it down a bit, for $80 the Elite gives you:

1) 100 GB more HD space
2) HDMI output
3) an HDMI cable
4) Potentially more reliable system
5) From what I've heard the system noise is less (disc noise is not though!)
6) Black (ie, a DIFFERENT color than the old model)

The new PS3 model for $100 extra gives you:

1) 20 GB more HD space
2) A game that while currently at MSRP of $60 is not going to be that way for long
3) A likely LOSS of a key component (Emotion Engine)

Breaking down the 2, I look at the Elite's "worth" like this:
1) 100GB more space, easily worth $50 ($80 if you compare the inflated MS's pricing on the two HD's).
2) The HDMI output: value varies, but I plan on getting an HDMI receiver and this will be nice for that (along with the PS3 eventually). I dunno, say this is worth $10 even just for the convenience??
3) HDMI cable: not sure where all the lowball pricing for these comes from. I went to Fry's and for a long while I could only find $60-$100 ones. Then, in a dark, dank corner I found some $19.99 ones. So I'll be generous to the haters and say it is only worth $10 - it's still something and when I get that HDMI receiver I can use the pack-in cable that came with my Elite (otherwise at 6 feet it is kind of useless as it would be too short to hook up all the way to the TV).
4 and 5) Unknown and hard to put a price on, but nice potential bonuses.
6) Black system: worth $5 to be different ;). Hey, there's a $5 PriceGrabber rebate for the Elite, so I'll count that here!

So, I look at the Elite as definitely worth the extra $80, give or take a few bucks...

As for the new PS3:
1) 20GB more space: worth, what, $20 at the MOST (and that's pricing it higher per GB than for the Elite)
2) Motorstorm: sorry, worth no more than $20 to me given CAG and it's inevitable price drop. OK, I'll be generous and say $30 since that seems to be the likely "greatest hits" pricing. Personally I would wait for a drop to $30 or $20 and then pick it up on a price match at Gamecrazy for $20 (from a Target sale or something) and use trade-in credit that makes it only cost half that ;).
3) Removal of EE: Unlike the unknowns for the 360, this potential item will detract from the value. I'll leave it at $0 for now. This actually doesn't bother me a ton since I have a fucking PS2 and I don't get all the hype over upscaling (unless you are re-rendering which would have to be done via software I'd think, how can you get more detail out of what was a 480i game?)

So, this new SKU is worth a whopping $50 more, at MOST. I admit, if they brought this out at $550 I'd seriously consider it. Even then, though, I'd be hesitant because I think the 80GB units will replace the 60GB down the line - then you are paying $50 just for Motorstorm again ;).

[Zoglog]

once again the $499 model is the better deal :). Though this time it's much more apparent.

remember folks, HD is easily swapped unlike the one on the 360. This forum does seem to be lighting up with this buzz though.
I'm suprised they actually put the price down to $499 and that's quite impressive. I knew they were going to move the 80GB into to succeed the 599 price after they announced it in korea, but I originally speculated they would drop the 60gb down to $449.

[shadylane]

do you think they will revised the 360 again...later in the year with a new chipset? 65nm?

[Vanigan]

Well, the 360 is for certain getting a hardware revision with the 65nm process. That would save them money from having to upgrade the heat sinks in the long run.

As fot a PS3 revision, don't count on it any time soon, maybe next summer. They still need time for the manufacturing costs on the PS3 to go down for the parts they have now, let alone new parts.

[io]

Well, the 360 is for certain getting a hardware revision with the 65nm process. That would save them money from having to upgrade the heat sinks in the long run.

As fot a PS3 revision, don't count on it any time soon, maybe next summer. They still need time for the manufacturing costs on the PS3 to go down for the parts they have now, let alone new parts.

Exactly - and don't forget that 65nm chips are simply a cost-saving measure (and not just on the heat sink issue but on the chips themselves) for the companies. They most likely aren't going to introduce those as new models or with any fanfare - they will probably quietly start mixing them in with the old ones and for a while it will be hard to tell which one you are getting until someone figures out serial number/lot number info.

In the case of the 360 they MAY increase reliability due to the lower temps generated, but that remains to be seen.

[H.Cornerstone]

Smart move dropping the 60gb to 499.99, but don't see how this effects anyone who wnated to buy it for 500$, stupid to introduce the new sku, but w/e. And the reason they don't bundle Resistance is because they can actually sell that game. ;-)

[KingBroly]

Well, the press release mentioning what's in the new sku (hardware wise) fails to mention the emotion engine.

To think that one of the most compelling reasons to buy a PS2 will no longer be in a PS3. Astounding.

[gokou36]

Not sure if this was linked before, but it looks like no EE for the 80gig
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/802/802291p1.html

[CheapyD]

The old specs don't mention the emotion engine either:
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications

[Dark Slayer120]

Sony sure loves to shoot it's self in the foot.

[CheapyD]

I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.

Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?

I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?

This move is really a mystery to me.

[MarkMan]

I fully agree Cheapy... Sony better have some brilliant reasoning for the fact someone might need 80 gigs opposed to 60 or 20... I'm sure they'll be talking about their download services for movies/music at E3...

[io]

I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.

Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?

I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?

This move is really a mystery to me.

Exactly - they just negated the price drop move because now the public perception will go back to the PS3 costing $600 (since it always seems the most expensive SKU is the one quoted). Though it seems MS has avoided this with the Elite, so maybe they'll be OK (I think most people still consider the 360 a $400 machine). I just can't see how this new bundle can HELP them. It may not HURT them too much, but it can't be a positive.

They should have just replaced the 60GB with the 80GB, kept the price the same, and quietly dropped the EE (which would be more palatable with the slight HD increase and lower price). I still think this is what they are planning to do. Perhaps this bundle is just to bridge the gap between selling out the existing 60GB stock and switching over to 80GB models as the normal SKU. In other words, if they said a new 80GB model was coming in August at $500, no one would buy the 60GB model in the mean time (except for a few savvy consumers who know about the potential EE change). Now they put this bundle out there (and I'm sure they will sell a few and we know these are more profitable than $500 60GB systems) while the supply of 60GBs gets sold. When those run low they bring out a non-bundled 80GB at $500.

[MarkMan]

Seriously... if someone is gonna spend a gang of money on a gaming system, they're gonna wanna get the best one available... so now the ppl that didn't hesitate to buy the 60GB when the $100 cut was leaked a few days ago are gonna have second thoughts...

Sony... tsk tsk...

[TimPV3]

Everybody should really think about the situation before they dismiss Sony's new bundle as a mistake, I don't believe Sony is in the wrong here. Before, it was obvious to go for the 60GB, as the 20GB wasn't upgradable, only the hard drive (which is why the $600 model was always quoted, because it wasn't crippled). Now All PS3's on the market are created equal, and there is no reason not to go for the cheaper model, like there was before.

And before you send the memo to Sony that 20GB of space isn't worth an extra $100, remember that MS was suggesting that price for a fucking 20GB hard drive, and most places still charge that. Atleast Sony justifies the hard drive rape here with a free game.

Atleast the box looks pretty sweet.

[KingBroly]

I'm confused about this "Limited Edition" model here. I'm sure that model will sell out in the short term. But when the regular 80gb models come in, won't it be bad since people will feel they're losing out on a bundle?

I think the $500 model will sell quite a few consoles this month and maybe next. I think what you'll see here is EXACTLY what you'll see with the 20/60gb models last year. They'll introduce new SKU's to keep the price up. However, I think the 60gb model will stay around at least for another year until they introduce a 3rd SKU (ala Microsoft).

However, I'm just not sure they're making the right move with introducing a new SKU now. Maybe it should come in September to steal some of Halo's buzz (which would've been ideal), but a month ahead of Halo 3 is a big mistake.

People are saying this will double PS3's sales. But that ain't saying much.

[CheapyD]

The 20GB model was upgradable. You could add a USB memory card reader and USB wi-fi adapter.

I don't think it really matters that the 20GB 360 HD costs $100 or that 20GB of space + Motorstorm is or is not worth $100.
For the potential PS3 customer, they still see a $500 PS3 and a $600 PS3. Two expensive boxes that might cause confusion/second thoughts during a shopping trip.

This leaves the door wide open for Microsoft to have a $400 Elite (prob not Black, to avoid pissing off early adopters) with double the HD space as the $500 PS3 and $200 cheaper price tag than the $600 PS3.

[CounterSeal]

Perhaps Sony is overestimating the brainpower of average consumers? I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but I believe people are smart enough to notice that the $600 SKU is more of a bonus as the $500 SKU is the primary. In theory, it's just like the Xbox 360 Premium, compared to the Xbox 360 Elite.

Sony also made the box art of the $600 SKU very, very, VERY clear indicating the bundled Motorstorm game, as well as an additional 80GB. It's very hard to miss. But then again, maybe I am just being a bit ignorant... of how ignorant average consumers could really be? Either way, time will tell.

[Thomas96]

I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.

Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?

I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?

This move is really a mystery to me.


The 600 SKU doesn't look so bad, because it's basically like a gamestop bundle and hopefully people will look at it that way. Would have been better if the 600 dollar bundle was 549.99... at least make it come at a price drop. Sony is going to stick with the 499 / 599 pricing because they don't feel that it's the 'wrong price.' They may be right about it... If apple can move iphones [by the millions] at a 499/599 prices then why can't sony move their 'just as savvy, well designed, technologically advanced PS3.... difference between the iphone and ps3 is that, the iphone is regarded as a 'must have' device, whereas the ps3 is regarded as a gaming system that 'might be better slightly, than the cheaper xbox 360.' Sony can justify the 499/599 pricing, if they have a good E3 and can convince consumers that the PS3 is a 'must have' product. 5 free blu ray movies isn't bad either... but its barely being advertised by sony... oh well.. maybe they'll mention that in next weeks ads.

[The Mana Knight]

Well, I've cooled down a little now. Sony said this is only a limited edition bundle, kind of like the PSP Entertainment pack last Holiday season. It was never their main SKU, just kind of around for a short time. What many see Sony doing is, right now, an 80GB will be bundled with MotorStorm. A little later this year, MotorStorm may be dropped, and the 80GB SKU becomes the main PS3 model at $499.99.

Here's a blog entry on it:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comments

If you have complains, tell them.

Although I flat out said, I wish SCEA just priced the limited edition MotorStorm pack at $549.99, because it's $10 cheaper than the game, and you get a larger HDD (those who want MotorStorm would probably go for it). Or else, if they wanted to keep the price, at least bundle it with a bluetooth headset and HDMI cable (IMO, that would have been a deal, although expensive).

I still <3 Sony. They are the only reason I still play video games.

[ananag112]

This is the same BS Sony did with the PSP. They created new more expensive models even though the price was the main thing holding the system back. Sony should have just stuck with the 60GB and 20GB models and dropped the price of both by $100. A $400 20GB PS3 sounds a lot more attractive then a $600 80GB PS3.

[seanr1221]

No EE in this 80 GB version? Smoooooooth Sony :roll:

[botticus]

Well, I've cooled down a little now. Sony said this is only a limited edition bundle, kind of like the PSP Entertainment pack last Holiday season. It was never their main SKU, just kind of around for a short time. What many see Sony doing is, right now, an 80GB will be bundled with MotorStorm. A little later this year, MotorStorm may be dropped, and the 80GB SKU becomes the main PS3 model at $499.99.
Supposedly their goal is to sell the rest of their 60GB inventory at $499.99, then remove Motorstorm or do something else with the 80GB and drop it down to $499.99.

I guess the positive there is that if you want the EE, every 60GB should have it since I doubt they'll reengineer them right before stopping production. Guess I have a couple months to figure out how I feel about my actual cost when factoring in selling my PS2, upconverting DVD player, and free Blu-Rays.

[Thomas96]

Well, I've cooled down a little now. Sony said this is only a limited edition bundle, kind of like the PSP Entertainment pack last Holiday season. It was never their main SKU, just kind of around for a short time. What many see Sony doing is, right now, an 80GB will be bundled with MotorStorm. A little later this year, MotorStorm may be dropped, and the 80GB SKU becomes the main PS3 model at $499.99.

Here's a blog entry on it:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comments

If you have complains, tell them.

Although I flat out said, I wish SCEA just priced the limited edition MotorStorm pack at $549.99, because it's $10 cheaper than the game, and you get a larger HDD (those who want MotorStorm would probably go for it). Or else, if they wanted to keep the price, at least bundle it with a bluetooth headset and HDMI cable (IMO, that would have been a deal, although expensive).

I still <3 Sony. They are the only reason I still play video games.


Motorstorm needs to be two players, that way Sony could have justified the addition of a second controller and thus making the game bundle even better for 600. At least w/ two controllers, the package looks 'complete'

[seanr1221]

What's Sony's commitment like towards BC updates? A Microsoft approach, or are they consistently updating?

[The Mana Knight]

Motorstorm needs to be two players, that way Sony could have justified the addition of a second controller and thus making the game bundle even better for 600. At least w/ two controllers, the package looks 'complete'From what the developers said themselves, making MotorStorm two player's instant technically possible, since there was something they did while making the game which would make two player split-screen near impossible to do. They just said look to future sequel for that. Everything else they can add (like Time Attack was added, Quick Race may be next). I dunno, I hope this changes, but we'll see.
What's Sony's commitment like towards BC updates? A Microsoft approach, or are they consistently updating?Every firmware upgrade we have, has BC updates.

[Chitown021]

Wow that's a pretty lame bundle offered by Sony. The extra 20GB of storage space and Motorstorm is an average deal at best. Expecially considering that fact that the HD can be upgraded fairly easily down the road if needed.

[Bazz]

They , just need to have a great showing at their confrence in a few days to convince me I want a ps3 anyways. Also cheap you in CA yet?

[javeryh]

What a joke. I guess in the long run I don't really care about the new $600 SKU since I'm more informed than the average consumer when it comes to video games (I do spend 1/2 my life on these boards it seems). The $600 price is probably to save a little face since I can't remember the last time a system got such a huge price cut inside of one year. I'm still waiting until Fall 2008 before I bite.

[dallow]

Saw more info on CNN, they didn't mention the 80GB version, good.
Hopefully gets the word out.

[CrimsonPaw]

If Sony really wanted to make the $600 bundle worth it they would need to change the drive capacity to something that way overshadows the 60GB offering (like 150GB+). Including MotorStorm and 20GB extra is a f***ing joke for the extra $100.

If they really wanted to make it interesting, include some extra downloads (like Tekken 5, or some other PSN games) with the bundle as well.

Either way, guess who's getting a PS3?!?!? It's Me, it's Me. Guess who's getting a PS3?!?!?! It's Me, it's Me!

[zerolens]

I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.

Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?

I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?

This move is really a mystery to me.

IMO they are permanently moving over to software emulation, 80GB, and rumble controller. They also have to clear out 60GB versions with non-rumble controllers. When a store sells out of 60GB and Sony is no longer making a 60GB version they have to send them something which will be the 80GB rumble controller version that is to become standard.

This is just a way to add value to the 60GB version to clear it out. If Sony cuts production of the 60GB version they have to have something to send the stores to replace it. Making the 80GB rumble controller version $500 would kill sales of the non rumble version.

IMO the Motorstorm bundle is going to be limited edition and once 60GB is basically close to sold out then they take Motorstorm out and now have 80GB and rumble controller and software emulation for $499. It may be the only way to phase in rumble and 80GB and at the same time clear out old stock of 60GB.

The big question is how long will it take to get rid of 60GB versions and phase out of the Motorestorm bundle. I'm not ready to buy now but probably will in October-December. 60GB may be rare or gone and I'm hoping the Motorstorm bundle is also gone because I want a $499 version.

I still think the Motorstorm bundle is a way to phase in the rumble and 80GB and at the same time be able to clear out 60GB. The quicker the 60GB version sells out the better. How would you be able to get rid of 60GB and non-rumble when 80GB and rumble at $499 was sitting next to it? Sony may have some 60GB versions in the warehouse too, this is the best way to add value to the 60GB to clear it out and start production of 80GB and rumble.

[anomynous]

So much for the PS3 selling well............

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o2/rascalous/PhoenixWrightPS3Sales.gif

Just wanted to post that, but I'll be getting a PS3 now

[Masterkyo]

I really don't like sport game bundle. I'll geting ps3 2 years from now.

[Chitown021]

Who the hell does Sony have in their marketing and public relations departments? They should be fired immediately. Just when Sony makes a smart move (price drop) they do and negate it with this 80GB bundle blunder.

This reminds me... Did anyone see the rumor in this month's issue of EGM? It said that Sony was going to repackage the PS2 with a motion sensitive controller similar to the Wii and sell it for $99 this holiday season.

[Cyb3-rr]

Instead of wasting anytime with either of those shitty games, make some time for sigma.

Oh noes, wait, PS3 is the suxxorz, I forgot.

As a gamer, you honestly think that Pirates is shitty?

[dallow]

As a gamer, you honestly think that Pirates is shitty?Shittier than NG Sigma if anything.
I heard Pirates was fun though, but I'd rather play Sigma first.

[KingBroly]

Instead of emulating the games, why not emulate the emotion engine chipset?

[-Never4ever-]

Eh, it would take more than 20 more gigs and a game that can be had for as low as $35 to make me pay and extra $100.

[VanillaGorilla]

Still far too expensive.

[D_Icon]

How do you guys upgrade the space on a PS3?

Also, if Sony is releasing the korean 80gb PS3 there is no
"Removal of hardware support

In order to reduce manufacturing costs, the Emotion Engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine) (EE) and Graphics Synthesizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Synthesizer) (GS) are not included in PAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL) or South Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea) consoles. As originally planned, dedicated hardware support has since been removed from the North American and Japanese models."


What ever that is.

[guyjr]

Here's my take on this whole situation. I'll preface it by saying I'm a gamer at heart, and not a fanboy - I've primarily stuck with Sony over the last 12 years, having had exactly two consoles before last year - PSX and PS2. Then I finally took the big plunges and branched out to Nintendo and now Microsoft over the last year.

Sony definitely made the right move, IMO, by lowering the existing PS3 60GB model $100. That's one of the moves I expected them to make, and that's more than enough to motivate me to get a PS3. Unfortunately, the move came too late - I picked up an XBox 360 Elite two weeks ago, so the PS3 is now on my xmas wish list.

I had been saying to my friends over the last few weeks that Sony needed to do two things to increase sales - lower the price $100, and announce at least three system exclusive killer games at E3. Well they've done the price lowering, now it's wait and see regarding new content. But there's even more now I think Sony needs to do...

Having now played with the XB360 over the last week, I finally see why this system is so popular among the harder-core gamers. First, and absolutely the most important thing to me, is that out of the box, virtually EVERYTHING works right the first time. Getting online is painless, and with the Elite, you get a free month trial of XBox Live Gold. After a few hours of downloading the tons of free content available online, I realized I had been living in a cave when it comes to the online multiplayer experience. This is something that Sony clearly does not understand, and besides the price drop and lack of exclusive killer titles, is an area they absolutely must develop. They claim they're working on a virtual experience like XBL, and that it'll be free. Well, to me, that's just stupid - if people are clearly willing to fork over the $4 / month it costs to play online, maintain friends lists, have private voice and video chats, play in tournaments, etc, why pass up that opportunity?

As far as games go... it's been an amazing year watching title after title that had been exclusive to Sony get ported over to the XB360. Katamari, last I read, is now not only going to appear next on XB360, it will be _exclusive_ to that platform! And - the greatest coup d'etat since Sony brought out the original PSX (slamming the door on Nintendo's chances at a next-gen platform) - Grand Theft Auto IV seems poised for some system exclusive content on the XB360 as well that won't appear on the PS3. Honestly, I don't understand how the sales & marketing teams at Sony haven't been summarily _dismissed_ after losses like that? Gimme a break!

The bottom line is this: Sony did not get to market fast enough with the PS3, and so is a good year behind the XB360 in terms of games. They have the built-in Blu-Ray player, which helps, but honestly, people still buy these systems expecting to play games. If the games aren't there, then why bother? And... if the games _are_ there on a competing, equally compelling system, _now_, and at a _cheaper_ price, then why bother at all?

[chicagoz]

Still far too expensive.

I told myself I won't get a PS3 until a price drop happened. Now that the price drop is here, I feel like $499.99 is still too much to pay for a video game system with no great games (in my opinion, of course). I already have the HD DVD 360 add-on and I'm happy with it so I'm not interested in a $499.99 blu-ray player.

I agree that it's still too expensive. I'll be waiting for another price drop. But by then, would I really want to pay $399-$449 just for the privilege to play Final fantasy XIII? All the other playstation exclusives I was interested in are now going to be on Xbox 360, also, so what's the point?

[botticus]

How do you guys upgrade the space on a PS3?

Also, if Sony is releasing the korean 80gb PS3 there is no
"Removal of hardware support

In order to reduce manufacturing costs, the Emotion Engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine) (EE) and Graphics Synthesizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Synthesizer) (GS) are not included in PAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL) or South Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea) consoles. As originally planned, dedicated hardware support has since been removed from the North American and Japanese models."


What ever that is.Where is that from? Makes it sound like the EE's already gone unless that is specific tot he 80GB.

[KingBroly]

Yeah, but when did that happen? It certaintly wasn't until May. My brother got a PS3 in late April, and it still had the emotion engine (more than likely since it played FF7 without a hitch).

[botticus]

Yeah, but when did that happen? It certaintly wasn't until May. My brother got a PS3 in late April, and it still had the emotion engine (more than likely since it played FF7 without a hitch).Crap.

Here's the citation from that wiki link: http://www.psu.com/node/8983

Japanese and North American PS3 units will follow the changes in the European models announced last month. Starting this April or May, Sony will be shipping the revised PlayStation 3 version to Japan and North America.


Might need a new thread, if I could find an official source.

[seanr1221]

Wow so they've been gone? Good thing mine was made in February 2007 even though I bought it in May.

[dallow]

Apparently the Red PS button has been seen in promo material before the PS3 launch.

And now it's back.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07281/shocking.jpg

[InuFaye]

So if i buy one today, then it wont have an emotion engine in it? That is crap they should have at least told us that they took it out, and not some shady move like what they did.

[whoknows]

Don't most games work fine without the Emotion Engine?

[InuFaye]

Don't most games work fine without the Emotion Engine?

No. Let me pull up the list of games that "DO" work.

Suposedly its over a thousand games that are compatible, but alot of them have inane amounts of glitches and stuff, but only a thousand? How many games did the ps2 actually have?

This factor alone makes me not want to buy one now.

[botticus]

Don't most games work fine without the Emotion Engine?PS1 emulation isn't affected, at PAL launch, around 72% of PS2 titles "worked." But "works" means anything from flawless to "noticeable issues." They've probably updated that somewhat, but I don't expect them to put a lot of effort into it. Their comments at the time were less than positive. "We'll make some updates, but we have awesome PLAYSTATION 3 games coming out, who wants to play old PS2 games?"

[whoknows]

PS1 emulation isn't affected, at PAL launch, around 72% of PS2 titles "worked." But "works" means anything from flawless to "noticeable issues." They've probably updated that somewhat, but I don't expect them to put a lot of effort into it. Their comments at the time were less than positive. "We'll make some updates, but we have awesome PLAYSTATION 3 games coming out, who wants to play old PS2 games?"
Glad I have my PS3 with the EE :lol:

Guess anyone who wants one with the EE had better go searching for one soon before they all disappear

[anomynous]

I know one way the 80 gig one could be better


If they took the chrome finish off

[zerolens]

The bottom line is this: Sony did not get to market fast enough with the PS3, and so is a good year behind the XB360 in terms of games. They have the built-in Blu-Ray player, which helps, but honestly, people still buy these systems expecting to play games. If the games aren't there, then why bother? And... if the games _are_ there on a competing, equally compelling system, _now_, and at a _cheaper_ price, then why bother at all?

I've stuck with Sony for a long time as well (did have an Xbox for about 6 months in between though) but no way am I going to reward the 360 with a sale because they felt they needed to get out a year earlier than the competition and in the process put out an unreliable system. A lot of people have great luck with the 360 but it seems to be very unreliable and the 3 year warranty seems to show that. $500 is still a lot of money but I'm getting a bit tired of waiting around. I'm going to finish off the last PS2 games I have then get rid of the PS2.

I do value blu-ray to a degree so that helps me justify $500, but the great reliability the PS3 system has is a great plus. If it was reversed and 360 was the one that was reliable and PS3 wasn't I would almost surely go with the 360. 360 has maybe 3 or so exclusive games I want, PS3 will have it's fair share and I want Folklore for sure and if Heavy Rain proves to be exclusive (I really liked Indigo Prophecy) then there's another. White Knight and FF13 may be good too. They both have about equal good exclusive games from what I can tell right now.

I'm definetly a one console buyer since I go through maybe 10 games a year on average. More than one system is overkill for me. Blu-ray and better reliability is swaying me at the moment. And Katamari being exclusive doesn't say much. Namco does a lot of exclusive games, both systems and the Wii will have a good share of them from Namco.

[InuFaye]

Just found out that they have not removed the EE yet from the models that are still in the united states. Gonna get one later this week from amazon.

[Apossum]

PS1 emulation isn't affected, at PAL launch, around 72% of PS2 titles "worked." But "works" means anything from flawless to "noticeable issues." They've probably updated that somewhat, but I don't expect them to put a lot of effort into it. Their comments at the time were less than positive. "We'll make some updates, but we have awesome PLAYSTATION 3 games coming out, who wants to play old PS2 games?"


subsequent interviews have stated that they are looking to improve compatibility.
They also want to improve upscaling.

[DarkNessBear]

So ShockAxis is definetally coming in August!

UGH! So excited.

[Zoglog]

I like how some people are spinning this as bad news? Hell I bought a PS3 at Launch (Didn't think it was too expensive then) and I still think it's a great move by Sony. It's amazing how intent people are on Sony bashing.

[DarkNessBear]

So ShockAxis is definetally coming in August!

UGH! So excited.

[Apossum]

I like how some people are spinning this as bad news? Hell I bought a PS3 at Launch (Didn't think it was too expensive then) and I still think it's a great move by Sony. It's amazing how intent people are on Sony bashing.


it stops at nothing!!!

[Zoglog]

So ShockAxis is definetally coming in August!

UGH! So excited.

Hopefully they find a way via that to boost the signal for the controllers so they don't desync.

[DarkNessBear]

it stops at nothing!!!

Cant wait till the PS3 helps cure cancer.

360Boy "Oh great, now there is going to be way to many people in the world... nice going Sony..."

[Apossum]

Cant wait till the PS3 helps cure cancer.

360Boy "Oh great, now there is going to be way to many people in the world... nice going Sony..."


or in 3 years after tons of games have come out... "the only reason to buy one is for resistance."

[Dark Slayer120]

or in 3 years after tons of games have come out... "the only reason to buy one is for resistance."

AND



To hold paper down.....

[dallow]

SHOCKAXIS, Killzone 2, Believe.

[NamPaehc]

So... Are you guys happy with what we've been hearding pre-E3?

-60GB price drop.
-Limited Edition 80GB also coming to US.
-Rumored Rumble controller returning.
-HD/PSP Video download service in the works.
-E3 PSN Update
-Live Offical Blog postings during show

Also, did anyone link to Jack Tretton's interview about the price drop, 80GB PS3 (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/07/09/scea-ceo-jack-tretton-on-the-ps3-price-cut.aspx), and other issues? A lot of insights, go check it out!

[Dark Slayer120]

SHOCKAXIS, Killzone 2, Believe.


I'd believe but hold down paper is already confirmed!!!! O_O

[Apossum]

I'd believe but hold down paper is already confirmed!!!! O_O


they still complain when they add extra weight to the system to hold more paper down.

[elwood731]

Sony is finally getting the PS3 right for this Christmas. It has the $500 price point. It has a strong lineup of games with Lair, Motorstorm, Resistance, etc. It has a cool online program in Home. It has rumble back in the controllers (for those who care). Everything they got wrong last year, they're suddenly getting right now. It's still a steep price, but quite the improvement. All the doom and gloom don't look so bad now.

[dallow]

they still complain when they add extra weight to the system to hold more paper down.QFT.

::sing songy::
It's beginning to feel a lot like E...3.

[whoknows]

Apparently the Red PS button has been seen in promo material before the PS3 launch.

And now it's back.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07281/shocking.jpg
Maybe it's to show that the controller has rumble?

[GizmoGC]

Apparently the Red PS button has been seen in promo material before the PS3 launch.

And now it's back.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07281/shocking.jpg

Is that really red or is it a glare? Its kinda hard to tell since the red is not fully 'colored' in.

[dallow]

Is that really red or is it a glare? Its kinda hard to tell since the red is not fully 'colored' in. What the heck kind of glare would that be?

[Kendro]

I wonder if they will announce rumble support for ths Sixaxis at E3 (since I remember reading about Sony and Immersion reaching a deal) (http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/02/sony-and-immersion-settle-suit-rumble-coming-to-the-ps3/). That would suck if you had to make a choice between getting the PS3 now with EE and no rumble, or getting a PS3 later with no EE and rumble.

[MadFlava]

I wonder if they will announce rumble support for ths Sixaxis at E3 (since I remember reading about Sony and Immersion reaching a deal) (http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/02/sony-and-immersion-settle-suit-rumble-coming-to-the-ps3/). That would suck if you had to make a choice between getting the PS3 now with EE and no rumble, or getting a PS3 later with no EE and rumble.

Well maybe rumble can be used on the older consoles with a firmware update.

[Apossum]

What the heck kind of glare would that be?


from the Terminator's eye:
http://bztv.typepad.com/moviessquared/images/956067terminator2posters.jpg

[GizmoGC]

What the heck kind of glare would that be?

It does not look fully colored in. Looks like someone took a red highlighter to it. Its not evenly distributed. That is why I am asking the question. Nothing of it in the press release about the 'RED' button.

[Apossum]

It does not look fully colored in. Looks like someone took a red highlighter to it. Its not evenly distributed. That is why I am asking the question. Nothing of it in the press release about the 'RED' button.


there are only 3 Red rings of death instead the full 4, but you don't see anyone complaining about that.

Anyway, I fully agree- IT'S OVER. SONY IS FINISHED. THE COLOR IN THE BUTTON ISN'T FULLY DISTRIBUTED. THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW.

[Kendro]

Well maybe rumble can be used on the older consoles with a firmware update.

Yeah but what I meant was if you buy the PS3 now, you'll eventually get an "obsolete" controller if they ever do include rumble so you are essentially wasting a controller. But if you wait until later, future PS3 consoles won't include the EE. But I guess it is a moot point since there is no confirmation of the Sixaxis ever including rumble.