80GB to have no Emotion Engine

[zewone]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26520

Looks like confirmation came sooner than expected.

[Apossum]

there is no emoticon for this.

[VanillaGorilla]

Looks like Data can no longer feel human love for his cat.

[Strell]

there is no emoticon for this.

There is no engine for your emoticon!

[dallow]

PS3 can no longer love me?

[GuilewasNK]

Wow, Sony manages to snatch ass-backwardness out of the slightest progress. Way to go.

[The Mana Knight]

Wow, Sony manages to snatch ass-backwardness out of the slightest progress. Way to go.It was going to happen and we all know it. That was the good thing about being an early adopter, because we get good BC while all the Xbots and Wiitards who eventually buy a PS3 get gimped. :lol:

[Apossum]

Buy a PS3 now while it can still tell you it loves you.

[Strell]

It was going to happen and we all know it. That was the good thing about being an early adopter, because we get good BC while all the Xbots and Wiitards who eventually buy a PS3 get gimped. :lol:

Wow.

Did you really just say Xbots?

[shadylane]

should i really bite and get a ps3 now? will they take the emotion engine out all of future ps3's now?

[GuilewasNK]

Buy a PS3 now while it can still tell you it loves you.

All kidding aside, that might be a good idea.

Hey, did they finally add rumble features to the controller with this new model or are they still saying gamers don't care about rumble?

[zewone]

PS3 can no longer love me?
dallow'd
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8794/loveps3copyss8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[dallow]

Haha!

[Cornfedwb]

It was going to happen and we all know it. That was the good thing about being an early adopter, because we get good BC while all the Xbots and Wiitards who eventually buy a PS3 get gimped. :lol:

You know your posts get more and more gamefaqs fanboy-esque as you go....

[Apossum]

All kidding aside, that might be a good idea.

Hey, did they finally add rumble features to the controller with this new model or are they still saying gamers don't care about rumble?


rumble is all but confirmed.

[The Mana Knight]

You know your posts get more and more gamefaqs fanboy-esque as you go....I just get a little sick of the hate Sony gets here, so I gotta defend the company I really like.

Anyway, news is that Euro BC isn't all that bad, around 75%. It's not perfect, but definitely better than 360 BC.

[Strell]

I just get a little sick of the hate Sony gets here, so I gotta defend the company I really like.

Anyway, news is that Euro BC isn't all that bad, around 75%. It's not perfect, but definitely better than 360 BC.

Calling people "Xbots" - which I can't even figure out if that is an insult or not - is hardly defending anything.

Xbots.

Xbots!

I don't even know what to fucking think. It's like trying to shoehorn in something derogatory where you can't possibly do it. Like I could call you a P3NiS, or PS3NIS, and maybe even through "munch" onto the end of it, but it doesn't make fucking sense.

[botticus]

I just get a little sick of the hate Sony gets here, so I gotta defend the company I really like.

Anyway, news is that Euro BC isn't all that bad, around 75%. It's not perfect, but definitely better than 360 BC.75% of the games don't not work. I'm guessing its closer to 50-60% that work as if they were playing on a PS2. Of the 10 PS2 games I own, 3 are listed on the BC site, with only two playing with no issues (DQVIII has "minor issues"). That means that Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Legendia, DDS1/2 and Rogue Galaxy are either not released in PAL, or they don't work. Which sucks for me. Growlanser and GrimGrimoire probably aren't out there.

I'm so back-and-forth on this EE issue. I suppose if I bargain with the wife and put off replacing my laptop as a trade-off, I might be able to swing a 60 gigger this year.

[dallow]

Mana Knight is right.
We ALL KNEW they were going to take the chips out sooner or later.
In fact they were supposed to launch this way worldwide.
Europe has no EE, things seem fine. Korea too.

BC has since been updated with every FW update, so Sony is working on it, and yes, it's better than the 360 BC (more titles).

In any case, I'm glad to have one that has an EE.

[CoffeeEdge]

Four jokes based on taking the term "emotion" literally. Ouch. You guys can do better than that.

Anyways, that's pretty fucking cop-out of them. They do one thing, ONE THING right (price drop, which does come with bad effects, in that early adopters should be very pissed off), so they go and do something retarded to make up for it. Typical.

It might help for a short while, but soon enough, MS is going to have the 65nm CPUs for 360 ready, which should result in a pricedrop somewhere between $50-100, putting the gap where it was before.

It was going to happen and we all know it. That was the good thing about being an early adopter, because we get good BC while all the Xbots and Wiitards who eventually buy a PS3 get gimped. :lol:
Riiiiiiiight....because everyone is obligated to buy a PS3 eventually...

[The Mana Knight]

75% of the games don't not work. I'm guessing its closer to 50-60% that work as if they were playing on a PS2.No, I was saying around 75% of games work on PS3, although not all are perfectly emulated (some may have issues). That's what I remember hearing before. Also, I remember hearing some in Europe stating games which finally worked, like Zone of the Enders 2.

[io]

It was going to happen and we all know it. That was the good thing about being an early adopter, because we get good BC while all the Xbots and Wiitards who eventually buy a PS3 get gimped. :lol:

You are really starting to get on my nerves (after this and the tasteless Wii post in the PS3 price drop thread)...

But, anyway, this is not a huge deal to me. I have this rare piece of equipment called a Playstation 2 that I can use to play Playstation 2 games. I do not see the need or desire to play them on the PS3 (and I don't get the fascination on this site with upscaling of games or DVDs - you can't create more info than is inherently there UNLESS possibly through software emulation where you might be able to do some re-rendering).

Enjoy your overpriced launch PS3. I'll be enjoying one that is at least $100 cheaper and probably bundled with something (I'm going to wait until the 80GB or 120GB or 200GB is the standard model, and hopefully $400 by that time). In the mean time the Wii and 360 and PS2 will keep me plenty busy ;).

[GuilewasNK]

I just get a little sick of the hate Sony gets here, so I gotta defend the company I really like.

Anyway, news is that Euro BC isn't all that bad, around 75%. It's not perfect, but definitely better than 360 BC.

Well, if it's any consolation, I am sick of Microsoft selling faulty hardware, Nintendo still half-assing online gaming and Sony just being a day late and a dollar short with everything since the PSP. There is plenty of disgust to go around.

[Apossum]

Four jokes based on taking the term "emotion" literally. Ouch. You guys can do better than that.




well, it's better than lathering unabashed hate and cynicism on everything every time we post.

[GuilewasNK]

well, it's better than lathering unabashed hate and cynicism on everything every time we post.

Unabashed? It's bashed I tells ya!

[foltzie]

It was going to happen and we all know it. That was the good thing about being an early adopter, because we get good BC while all the Xbots and Wiitards who eventually buy a PS3 get gimped. :lol:

Wow.

Did you really just say Xbots?

And Wiitards! Gimped too. It's a veritable tresure trove of internet neologisms.

[Strell]

And Wiitards! Gimped too. It's a veritable tresure trove of internet neologisms.

I'd get more perverse pleasure out of calling you fauxltzie than I would out of calling someone an Xbot.

[The Mana Knight]

You are really starting to get on my nerves (after this and the tasteless Wii post in the PS3 price drop thread)...Sorry

But, anyway, this is not a huge deal to me. I have this rare piece of equipment called a Playstation 2 that I can use to play Playstation 2 games. I do not see the need or desire to play them on the PS3 (and I don't get the fascination on this site with upscaling of games or DVDs - you can't create more info than is inherently there UNLESS possibly through software emulation where you might be able to do some re-rendering).I have a PS2 also, but once you play them upscaled on PS3, there's no going back, seriously. Also, being able to ditch the memory cards and go to the HDD is nice too.

Enjoy your overpriced launch PS3. I've played mine every single day since I bought it on Dec. 29th, 2006. Also, my PS3 was only $500.

[XxFuRy2Xx]

Anybody know if they will take out the emotion engine out of the 60GB model in the future, or will it only be the 80GB versions? I'm gonna have to come up with some cash quick, don't want crappy emulation...

[anomynous]

Sorry

I have a PS2 also, but once you play them upscaled on PS3, there's no going back, seriously. Also, being able to ditch the memory cards and go to the HDD is nice too.

I've played mine every single day since I bought it on Dec. 29th, 2006. Also, my PS3 was only $500.

Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :hot: :hot: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:




:roll: :roll:

[GuilewasNK]

Xbot sounds like something Bender wold check in in the room with a curtain for a door.:lol:

[Cornfedwb]

Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.

That is in no way, shape or form a "fact". I think you'd benefit from looking up the definition of "fact".

Personally I've come to find standard gaming quite boring, including and not limited to the GCN, Xbox, PS2, 360 and PS3.. I find the Wii to be the best option out there. I also realize that is my personal opinion and does not equate to a "fact" that it is the best system.

I do like the "budget gamer" comment, thusly to imply that anyone who doesn't worship the PS3 must just not be able to afford it.. its quite clever.. or not.

[dallow]

The EE will be gone from the 60GB edition as well eventually.

As was meant to be.

Will PS4 be BC with PS3 games?

[zewone]

Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.
:rofl:

It's funny how even the other Sony fans, find you annoying.

[GizmoGC]

I just get a little sick of the hate Sony gets here, so I gotta defend the company I really like.

Anyway, news is that Euro BC isn't all that bad, around 75%. It's not perfect, but definitely better than 360 BC.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4909/sdftw8.gif

You may need this.

[GizmoGC]

Sorry

I have a PS2 also, but once you play them upscaled on PS3, there's no going back, seriously. Also, being able to ditch the memory cards and go to the HDD is nice too.

I've played mine every single day since I bought it on Dec. 29th, 2006. Also, my PS3 was only $500.

Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.

You're obviously not a true Sony fan otherwise you would have been camping out for your system.

[FuzTurtle]

How does 1 know that their 60G model has a chip? Does it say on the box?

[gunm]

Sorry I'm out of touch on this: so does this mean the current PS3s with the emotion engine are also unable to support rumble?

The only real concern for me will be whether or not I have to keep my PS2, since I have enough PS2 games I intend to keep and play where that would be an issue.

[zewone]

Sorry I'm out of touch on this: so does this mean the current PS3s with the emotion engine are also unable to support rumble?

The only real concern for me will be whether or not I have to keep my PS2, since I have enough PS2 games I intend to keep and play where that would be an issue.
The PS3 now support rumble if you're playing with a USB-PS2 adapter with your PS2 controller on PS2 games.

and Gran Turismo HD.

I'm pretty sure.

[dallow]

All you need for rumble is a game and controller to support it.

EE has nothing to do with it.

[Cornfedwb]

The Mana Knight, it is a fact that you are 24 Years Old & don't have your driver's license, and you don't know how to drive. You said this yourself in your blog, which I got from your sig:

http://manaknight.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/five-driving-fears/




:lol: :lol: :lol:

Which has what exactly to do with his nonsensical fanboy comments?

If you're going to argue with a fool, don't go down to his level.. he's been there longer, he'll beat you at it.

[trq]

Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.

You know, if you really want the system to prosper, you should realize creating a "the PS3 is for obnoxious internet fucktards" stereotype might drive people away.

[anomynous]

Which has what exactly to do with his nonsensical fanboy comments?

If you're going to argue with a fool, don't go down to his level.. he's been there longer, he'll beat you at it.
It's because the PS3 is the end-all, be-all video game console

And I deleted my post because you are right

[kell]

But, anyway, this is not a huge deal to me. I have this rare piece of equipment called a Playstation 2 that I can use to play Playstation 2 games. I do not see the need or desire to play them on the PS3 (and I don't get the fascination on this site with upscaling of games or DVDs - you can't create more info than is inherently there UNLESS possibly through software emulation where you might be able to do some re-rendering).


One reason I would prefer to have the EE chip is real estate around the big tv. We have on large HD TV and the entertainment center space is at a premium nowadays (damn kids and all their DVDs). I would rather the PS3 play all PS2 games so I can enjoy them on the good TV as I don't have room for both systems.

[io]

I have a PS2 also, but once you play them upscaled on PS3, there's no going back, seriously. Also, being able to ditch the memory cards and go to the HDD is nice too.


I still don't get the upscaling thing. What can the PS3 possibly do to make PS2 games look better? All I could see them doing is running the output of the EE (which is just a PS2 after all) through some low-pass filter to blur out the jaggies a bit. It's just visual tricks though - you can't create more info (ie, resolution or detail) out of thin air.

Now, through software emulation it might be possible to improve the resolution of certain aspects of the game (edges of certain objects, in particular, to get rid of jaggies). So who knows, maybe getting rid of the EE is a *good* thing in the long run if they go down this path.


Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.

Wow... Classic - I couldn't have hoped for a better fanboy response than that! :applause:.

FWIW I could buy a PS3 right now with my Gamecrazy credit and I am considering it - but I'm leaning towards waiting for further drops and a decent game library. Does that make me a "budget gamer"? Perhaps, in that I don't want to waste $500 even of credit (that only cost me $200 to get) on something I can't see getting that much use out of in the next several months. But who knows, I didn't think I'd enjoy the 360 so much and between me and the kids, it gets played 2-4 hours every day.

[willardhaven]

500 dollars would still make me feel guilty, in 2-3 years when this thing is 200 dollars hopefully the BC issue will not exist.

[KingBroly]

Sorry I'm out of touch on this: so does this mean the current PS3s with the emotion engine are also unable to support rumble?

The only real concern for me will be whether or not I have to keep my PS2, since I have enough PS2 games I intend to keep and play where that would be an issue.

I don't think rumble has anything to do with the system. I think it has to do more with game and controller support.

[Strell]

Shut up io, I saw you countin' pennies the other day, talkin' bout pickin' up that Intellivision.

"But it has a library worth owning!" you said.

YEAH BITCH, I bought it for the PSdouble!

[apokalipze2]

You know, if you really want the system to prosper, you should realize creating a "the PS3 is for obnoxious internet fucktards" stereotype might drive people away.This retard makes me hate my ps3, seriously:roll:

[io]

One reason I would prefer to have the EE chip is real estate around the big tv. We have on large HD TV and the entertainment center space is at a premium nowadays (damn kids and all their DVDs). I would rather the PS3 play all PS2 games so I can enjoy them on the good TV as I don't have room for both systems.

Yeah, I could see that. To fit that behemoth PS3 I'd have to clear off my DVD shelf, actually. But removing the tiny slim PS2 wouldn't help anything - it is sitting on top of my DVD player as it is.

As for the kids and their DVDs, just do what I did - I copy every DVD that we have and put the copies into a large coffee table book-sized CD/DVD holder. That way the kids can just get that down and flip through it for something they want to watch. I can then put away all the actual DVD cases and get the benefit of keeping grubby finger prints off the originals. If only I could do the same with my game collection :lol:.

Strell - you caught me... Yes, I spent all day counting the pennies I made from scrounging up scrap metal and only came up with 20,000 so I can't afford the PS3. So Mana Knight is right, I have to mask my poverty by playing those inferior 360 and Wii systems.

(Seriously, though, when I was a kid I WAS too poor to get an Intellivision. I had an Atari and wanted an Intellivision SO BAD for it's oh-so-superior graphics, but my parents wouldn't oblige :lol:).

[Strell]

(Seriously, though, when I was a kid I WAS too poor to get an Intellivision. I had an Atari and wanted an Intellivision SO BAD for it's oh-so-superior graphics, but my parents wouldn't oblige :lol:).

Aww. Mission #1 Acquired for Time Machine Level.

But of course I'll have to go back to the Bronze Age. Ho ho ho!

[The Mana Knight]

Cornfedwb, I would prefer it if you removed the quote from your post, about me (it has been removed). Thanks. That's more of a personal thing I don't want to discuss.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :hot: :hot: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:




:roll: :roll:I own a 360.
I still don't get the upscaling thing. What can the PS3 possibly do to make PS2 games look better? All I could see them doing is running the output of the EE (which is just a PS2 after all) through some low-pass filter to blur out the jaggies a bit. It's just visual tricks though - you can't create more info (ie, resolution or detail) out of thin air.Right now, I mostly use my HDTV for gaming. If I were to connect my PS2 to my HDTV, the graphics look like crap in most every game. When using the PS/PS2 upscaling, games look just how they would on PS/PS2, sometimes better. Now, before the update, I didn't really like playing those games on PS3 since they looked like crap.

Now, through software emulation it might be possible to improve the resolution of certain aspects of the game (edges of certain objects, in particular, to get rid of jaggies). So who knows, maybe getting rid of the EE is a *good* thing in the long run if they go down this path.Without a doubt, some games may run at better resolution. My only concern is that I have a ton of niche PS2 games. I almost guarantee many of them won't work with software emulation.

FWIW I could buy a PS3 right now with my Gamecrazy credit and I am considering it - but I'm leaning towards waiting for further drops and a decent game library. Does that make me a "budget gamer"? Perhaps, in that I don't want to waste $500 even of credit (that only cost me $200 to get) on something I can't see getting that much use out of in the next several months. But who knows, I didn't think I'd enjoy the 360 so much and between me and the kids, it gets played 2-4 hours every day.Well, there might not be another price drop for a while. The Fall lineup on PS3 is the best by far IMO, and PS3 has some good downloads too (Super Stardust HD is one of the best downloads ever).

[kell]

Yeah, I could see that. To fit that behemoth PS3 I'd have to clear off my DVD shelf, actually. But removing the tiny slim PS2 wouldn't help anything - it is sitting on top of my DVD player as it is.

As for the kids and their DVDs, just do what I did - I copy every DVD that we have and put the copies into a large coffee table book-sized CD/DVD holder. That way the kids can just get that down and flip through it for something they want to watch. I can then put away all the actual DVD cases and get the benefit of keeping grubby finger prints off the originals. If only I could do the same with my game collection :lol:.

That's a good idea for the DVDs. So you copy the DVDs? I assume there is software out there that will copy them.

Yeah, I will have to do some rearranging to accomodate the beast. Although it shouldn't be as bad as a 360 with that brick attached to it.

I have a good amount of GC credit thanks to the 50% extra deal. I figure I would rather use it on hardware than games that eventually get dirt cheap anyway. I have a Wii and enjoy it, but it doesn't have the "Wow" factor of next gen graphics. I still refuse to buy a 360 due to the hardware issues. The 3 year warranty is nice, but I like my consoles to last longer than that. So the credit, the 12 free movie rentals, I guess the 5 BR movies (don't really care, but may be able to sell them), and ability to get an EE system have swayed me to getting a PS3 once GC drops their prices.

[io]

That's a good idea for the DVDs. So you copy the DVDs? I assume there is software out there that will copy them.

Yeah, I will have to do some rearranging to accomodate the beast. Although it shouldn't be as bad as a 360 with that brick attached to it.

I have a good amount of GC credit thanks to the 50% extra deal. I figure I would rather use it on hardware than games that eventually get dirt cheap anyway. I have a Wii and enjoy it, but it doesn't have the "Wow" factor of next gen graphics. I still refuse to buy a 360 due to the hardware issues. The 3 year warranty is nice, but I like my consoles to last longer than that. So the credit, the 12 free movie rentals, I guess the 5 BR movies (don't really care, but may be able to sell them), and ability to get an EE system have swayed me to getting a PS3 once GC drops their prices.

Well, yeah, DVD copying is something you have to dig around on the net to find. It's not strictly legal, I suppose, but I do it for DVDs I have so I can let the kids go nuts with the copies and not have to worry about my originals ;). Plus for road trips I definitely don't want to bring originals to leave in the car (in the heat, possible theft, etc). 25 cent copies are WAY better. PLUS you can strip out all the stupid previews/menus so the movies just start right up when the kids play them - that's almost worth it in and of itself.

Anyway, off topic... I have a nice shelf that should theoretically fit all 3 systems, but there's that story of the PS3 that fried a nearby 360 :lol:. So I'd probably end up putting the PS3 on the shelf above (which means removing a whole section of DVDs that I hadn't gotten around to copying yet).

Here's my current setup. It is a bit more cluttered now because I have 360 and Wii controllers and game cases taking up the open spaces ;). There is definitely room for a PS3 in there somewhere. The shelf below has the DVD player/PS2/GC on it, as well as all the PS2 and GC games.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2249/wii60tr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I don't think the 5 Blu-Ray thing is as great as everyone makes it sound. You'd think you could sell them, but won't everyone be doing that, making the values of that limited selection of titles go down? There's 2 I wouldn't mind having (Chicken Little and Corpse Bride). The selections from the last 3 groups are crap though. GC is nice with the free rentals - I forgot to use my ones for the last two months though #-o.

[Apossum]

The Departed and Goodfellas both look fantastic on Blu-ray. I think those are the 2 best movies out on the format right now. otherwise, it's kids movies, trash action flicks, and some new releases I don't care about.


on a side note, the Mana Knight is out of control. it's past the point of sadness and desperation...*insert joke about emotion engines here*

[kell]

Anyway, off topic... I have a nice shelf that should theoretically fit all 3 systems, but there's that story of the PS3 that fried a nearby 360 :lol:. So I'd probably end up putting the PS3 on the shelf above (which means removing a whole section of DVDs that I hadn't gotten around to copying yet).

Here's my current setup. It is a bit more cluttered now because I have 360 and Wii controllers and game cases taking up the open spaces ;). There is definitely room for a PS3 in there somewhere. The shelf below has the DVD player/PS2/GC on it, as well as all the PS2 and GC games.



I don't think the 5 Blu-Ray thing is as great as everyone makes it sound. You'd think you could sell them, but won't everyone be doing that, making the values of that limited selection of titles go down? There's 2 I wouldn't mind having (Chicken Little and Corpse Bride). The selections from the last 3 groups are crap though. GC is nice with the free rentals - I forgot to use my ones for the last two months though #-o.

That space is just begging for a PS3! :D

Yep, I assume there will be a flood of those titles on Ebay once Sony starts shipping them. I don't think they would fetch much anyways. And what's up with the picking from 5 categories?

The GC rentals is part of my justification to the wife for buying consoles. We have been using those free coupons for years.:lol:

You might as well use your credit on hardware, games get much cheaper if you wait relative to hardware.

[javeryh]

Well, yeah, DVD copying is something you have to dig around on the net to find. It's not strictly legal, I suppose, but I do it for DVDs I have so I can let the kids go nuts with the copies and not have to worry about my originals ;). Plus for road trips I definitely don't want to bring originals to leave in the car (in the heat, possible theft, etc). 25 cent copies are WAY better. PLUS you can strip out all the stupid previews/menus so the movies just start right up when the kids play them - that's almost worth it in and of itself.

I've been thinking about doing this as well. I've already had to replace Monsters Inc. due to kid mishandling. Do you use a dual layer burner? Can you make 1:1 copies (without compression) but still remove all the previews and extraneous stuff?

Sorry to go off-topic but I'll throw this in - no emotion engine in the PS3 doesn't mean much to me in the long run. I can't remember the last time I used my PS2 to play PS1 games.

[io]

I've been thinking about doing this as well. I've already had to replace Monsters Inc. due to kid mishandling. Do you use a dual layer burner? Can you make 1:1 copies (without compression) but still remove all the previews and extraneous stuff?

Sorry to go off-topic but I'll throw this in - no emotion engine in the PS3 doesn't mean much to me in the long run. I can't remember the last time I used my PS2 to play PS1 games.


I just use a regular DVD burner (on my laptop). When you remove the menus and extras and everything but the 5.1 English soundtrack many movies (particularly kids ones) come out 1:1 anyway - so YES, in answer to your question. Sometimes it requires some additional compression (especially on things like the Simpsons compilations). It is really surprising how compressed some of these movies really are to begin with though (some will only end up using 2-3GB at 1:1).


OK, back on topic - I agree ;). I've never played a PS1 game on my PS2, and I have only ever played one GC game on my Wii and that was just to see how the disc-grabbing mechanism worked (though I would understand more people using the Wii for GC games because of the 480p/component issue - I have the GC component cables though).

So, anyway, just to show I'm not always negative towards the PS3 I don't think the removal of the EE is such a bad thing. I just think it sucks that they charge you $100 more for the priviledge ;).

[The Mana Knight]

The PS3 now support rumble if you're playing with a USB-PS2 adapter with your PS2 controller on PS2 games.

and Gran Turismo HD.

I'm pretty sure.GT HD does not, I tested it. I have a radio shack USB adapter, tried my DS2 on GT HD, still no rumble.

[dallow]

GT:HD only supports force feedback on certain wheels.

Not controller rumble.

[jer7583]

two steps forward, one step back.

Mana Knight is a funny kid.

It's times like these that I wish you could paste mp3s into forums. I'd choose Van Halen's "I'll wait"

[RelentlessRolento]

two steps forward, one step back.

Mana Knight is a funny kid.

It's times like these that I wish you could paste mp3s into forums. I'd choose Van Halen's "I'll wait"


you can:

http://dl1.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/dl/500/a17f01/Rez%20-%20Gamer's%20Guide%20to/05_fear.mp3

[Reality's Fringe]

Where's the Emotions? =(

[KingBroly]

They've been absorbed into another Ridge Racer.

[Dezuria]

PS2 software emulation has one plus. Higher native resolution, rather than just upscaling, which doesn't really do much.

If Sony wanted, they could have the PS2 actually render in higher resolutions. The question is, would Sony bother?

PS2 games look worse on my PS3 no matter what settings I use. Always blurrier. PS1 games however, look a lot better on the PS3 than on the old PS1. Maybe it's due to the fact that PS1 is emulated? Who knows.

[Apossum]

Where's the Emotions? =(


they were used to flip over a giant enemy crab

[jer7583]

thanks for the knowledge, rolento

[The Mana Knight]

PS2 software emulation has one plus. Higher native resolution, rather than just upscaling, which doesn't really do much.

If Sony wanted, they could have the PS2 actually render in higher resolutions. The question is, would Sony bother?

PS2 games look worse on my PS3 no matter what settings I use. Always blurrier. PS1 games however, look a lot better on the PS3 than on the old PS1. Maybe it's due to the fact that PS1 is emulated? Who knows.I disagree, since I tend to notice the opposite. I think many PS2 games look better on PS3, but PS1 games look worse (not all, but some of the best ones). Many of the 2D RPGs I like, such as the Atelier Iris games, Shining Tears, etc. look better IMO. But then again, performance may differ by TV.

[PhrostByte]

you can:

http://dl1.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/dl/500/a17f01/Rez%20-%20Gamer's%20Guide%20to/05_fear.mp3 (http://dl1.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/dl/500/a17f01/Rez%20-%20Gamer%27s%20Guide%20to/05_fear.mp3)

You bring up a good point Rolento... The real question is: How good will Rez look on the PS3 after they strip the EE?

[defiance_17]

I've given up trying to understand what the fuck Sony is doing.

"So wait, you're removing the Emotion Engine, adding 20GB of hard drive space, and negating the recent price drop?"
"But wait, there's more! For a limited time, we'll throw in the hit title Motorstorm for FREE! A $59.99 value!"

George Costanza keeps coming to mind. Sony is holding out, for less money.

[-Never4ever-]

there is no emoticon for this.

Your avatar comes pretty close.

[dallow]

Your avatar comes pretty close.TELL me your secret! How does your Wii do HD!!!?? I must know!

[MadFlava]

Looks that I'll be picking up a 60gb soon before they take out the EE chip. I guess I'll get mine at CC since Costco hasn't dropped their price yet.

[The Mana Knight]

I've given up trying to understand what the fuck Sony is doing.

"So wait, you're removing the Emotion Engine, adding 20GB of hard drive space, and negating the recent price drop?"
"But wait, there's more! For a limited time, we'll throw in the hit title Motorstorm for FREE! A $59.99 value!"

George Costanza keeps coming to mind. Sony is holding out, for less money.Like I said before, once they clear out the 60GB, it will be the main SKU at $500, minus MotorStorm. Most consumers are stupid and will see it as a good deal for now.

[CoffeeEdge]

I have a PS2 also, but once you play them upscaled on PS3, there's no going back, seriously.
I watched my retarded-ass friend play a couple PS2 games (Shadow of the Colossus and FFXII), and I am happy to report that I since been able to go and enjoy my PS2 games on my PS2 on my SD TV just fine, thank you. To be honest, I can't tell the difference. To me, it's still just muddy-ass textures, but a bit shaper and jaggier now, which isn't necessarily a good thing.

Wii and 360 are not as good as PS3 combined. That is a fact. Only budget gamers say so.
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[seanr1221]

I wonder if EE PS3s will eventually go up in price and be considered rare?

If that's the case, I'll start the bidding at 1,000.00 gentlemen!

[dallow]

Your 3 red rings pic looks like some kind of robot nipple...

[RedvsBlue]

I wonder if EE PS3s will eventually go up in price and be considered rare?

If that's the case, I'll start the bidding at 1,000.00 gentlemen!

...and now for the follow-up

Well its not like there's a lot of EE PS3s out there right now anyway.

ZING

[seanr1221]

...and now for the follow-up

Well its not like there's a lot of EE PS3s out there right now anyway.

ZING

Thats why they will be so sought after DURRRRR :bouncy:

I plan on selling mine to the highest bidder and going into early retirement.

[Noodle Pirate!]

I havent been following the ps3 BC thing, But after reading this thread I have a couple questions. I eventually want to get a ps3 when they get cheaper and more games that I'm interested in.

As far as BC, is this like a one time modification and they wont bother upgrading it or improving the image quality or BC list?
Or is it something that eventually they will have complete compliance and graphics as good as ps2?

I know last time I checked MS was still aiming at complete BC but it might take a while. If Sony will eventually make the emulation ps2 perfect and 100% compatible, I dont see the problem in the long run.

[Vinny]

Like I said before, once they clear out the 60GB, it will be the main SKU at $500, minus MotorStorm. Most consumers are stupid and will see it as a good deal for now.

All the stupid consumers already bought a PS3 though... you think they'll fall for it again?:-P

[RedvsBlue]

All the stupid consumers already bought a PS3 though... you think they'll fall for it again?:-P

Now that, that my friends is the comment to end the thread on.

[Kayden]

This plan will only work if you buy all 15 on the shelf.

Thats why they will be so sought after DURRRRR :bouncy:

I plan on selling mine to the highest bidder and going into early retirement.

[The Mana Knight]

All the stupid consumers already bought a PS3 though... you think they'll fall for it again?:-PNope, stupid people bought a Wii. ;)

[seanr1221]

Stupid people mated with your mom.

[RedvsBlue]

Nope, stupid people bought a Wii. ;)

That retort was on par with "no, you're the stupid head"

[Kayden]

:hot:Stupid people mated with your mom.

[RedvsBlue]

Stupid people mated with your mom.
But how could he be his own father?

[seanr1221]

I'm my own grandpa, so anythings possible.

[vasco]

So if I wanna play my meager collection of PS2 games ( SOCOM 3 and CA, GTA SA, Sega Classics, Taito Classics, Capcom Classics 1&2) should I buy a PS3 with, or without the EE? It seems like that's the biggest deal right now. I have recycled enough cans to finally afford a PS3.

[seanr1221]

So if I wanna play my meager collection of PS2 games ( SOCOM 3 and CA, GTA SA, Sega Classics, Taito Classics, Capcom Classics 1&2) should I buy a PS3 with, or without the EE? It seems like that's the biggest deal right now. I have recycled enough cans to finally afford a PS3.

You can always see what's playable on European PS3's

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm

[dpatel]

So if I wanna play my meager collection of PS2 games ( SOCOM 3 and CA, GTA SA, Sega Classics, Taito Classics, Capcom Classics 1&2) should I buy a PS3 with, or without the EE? It seems like that's the biggest deal right now. I have recycled enough cans to finally afford a PS3.

I would just check the european BC compatibility list. They are already on software emu. Given the size of your list, I'm sure you'll be okay either way. Problem is, it's possible europe will have a different compatibility list than the US (or wherever you are).

[The Crotch]

But how could he be his own father?An accident with a time machine and a contraceptive.

OMG HE IS ZAPHOD BEEBLEBROX!

[Apossum]

Stupid people mated with your mom.


crude, but very effective. :lol:

[xbox_mole]

AS of right now all of the current PS3s will play ALL of the former PS2 and PSOne games or are there still ones it won't play like with XBOX 360? I was going to wait to get a PS3 but I have a hefty collection of PS2 games and many I'd still like to keep and need to find out if I should pull the trigger on this now especially with the Amazon deal that is up.

Thanks for all of your help!

[zewone]

AS of right now all of the current PS3s will play ALL of the former PS2 and PSOne games or are there still ones it won't play like with XBOX 360? I was going to wait to get a PS3 but I have a hefty collection of PS2 games and many I'd still like to keep and need to find out if I should pull the trigger on this now especially with the Amazon deal that is up.

Thanks for all of your help!
I think there is a few it doesn't play, but it's like 97% compatible.

Something like that.

[The Mana Knight]

I think there is a few it doesn't play, but it's like 97% compatible.

Something like that.Actually, I haven't had a single game not play (I'm talking about several PS1 and PS2 demo discs too, which even played). Some games do have issues though, like with sound, possible glitches, weird PS1 emulation issues, etc. Only ONE game I own, did not boot up, which was Wild Arms 4. Come to find out, the 1.81 firmware made it unplayable, but the 1.82 firmware fixed it.

The only games which don't play right, are some with accessories, due to the accessory not working on PS3 (like PS1 Konami light gun games, Taiko Drum, Guitar Hero 2 with Guitar, etc.).

[Justin42]

Wow, I sent Sony an email (through the Playstation site) asking if the Emotion Engine was still currently in the 60GB units sold in the US. (this was before all of the confirmations we've received) I got the most bizarre answer I think I've ever seen in a form response:

Thank you for writing us.

As much as we would like to address all of your questions, there are certain topics that are simply
out of the scope of this department within Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA). You have
reached the Consumer Services Department within SCEA, and we handle all general inquiries for our
PlayStation(R) family of products, warranty and repair information, installation and
troubleshooting, general corporate business inquiries, PlayStation(R) Underground(TM) Club
Membership inquiries, and third party software referrals, just to name a few.

Very specific questions on any particular product (e.g., manufacturing process), programming details
of software or hardware, 'reasons or beliefs' on why a product did or did not include certain
features, personal opinions, and personal contact information for developers, publishers, and other
company employees, are some of the topics that cannot be addressed. Also, there are certain topics
that we may not be able to address due to the fact that they are confidential and proprietary to
SCEA.

Additionally, due to the complex nature of this industry and its products, certain information is
just not easily available. You may be able to do some thorough research on your own at the local
library, internet search engines, and at academic institutions.

[dallow]

Wow, I sent Sony an email (through the Playstation site) asking if the Emotion Engine was still currently in the 60GB units sold in the US. (this was before all of the confirmations we've received) I got the most bizarre answer I think I've ever seen in a form response:

Thank you for writing us.

As much as we would like to address all of your questions, there are certain topics that are simply
out of the scope of this department within Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA). You have
reached the Consumer Services Department within SCEA, and we handle all general inquiries for our
PlayStation(R) family of products, warranty and repair information, installation and
troubleshooting, general corporate business inquiries, PlayStation(R) Underground(TM) Club
Membership inquiries, and third party software referrals, just to name a few.

Very specific questions on any particular product (e.g., manufacturing process), programming details
of software or hardware, 'reasons or beliefs' on why a product did or did not include certain
features, personal opinions, and personal contact information for developers, publishers, and other
company employees, are some of the topics that cannot be addressed. Also, there are certain topics
that we may not be able to address due to the fact that they are confidential and proprietary to
SCEA.

Additionally, due to the complex nature of this industry and its products, certain information is
just not easily available. You may be able to do some thorough research on your own at the local
library, internet search engines, and at academic institutions.Haha, they basically told you to just f'ing google it.

[Thomas96]

Nope, stupid people bought a Wii. ;)


good point... lol

[RedvsBlue]

good point... lol

You forgot the "yeah, right on! *high five*" part.

[furyk]

Wow............. I usually side with the Sony Defense Force seeing as Sony seems pretty unfairly beleaguered at the moment plus they're doing some cool stuff, but good god. This might be the absolute stupid set of posts I've ever seen. People on the forums were starting to like Sony again, and then we get a bunch of new reasons to hate them vis a vis posts like this. If you want CAG to be pro-Sony then don't act like an ignorant dumb ass posting extremely inane opinions.

[Kayden]

So... its ok to hate Sony because fanboys are irrational? Yeah, thats reasonable. :roll:

Wow............. I usually side with the Sony Defense Force seeing as Sony seems pretty unfairly beleaguered at the moment plus they're doing some cool stuff, but good god. This might be the absolute stupid set of posts I've ever seen. People on the forums were starting to like Sony again, and then we get a bunch of new reasons to hate them vis a vis posts like this. If you want CAG to be pro-Sony then don't act like an ignorant dumb ass posting extremely inane opinions.

[furyk]

No, it makes me less likely to want to give Sony money because the fanboys are so irritating. Don't you dare use that eye roll at me!!!!1111

[Kayden]

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:roll:


No, it makes me less likely to want to give Sony money because the fanboys are so irritating. Don't you dare use that eye roll at me!!!!1111

[furyk]

DAMMIT!!!!

Edit: I really wish CAG let you type everything in caps if you went back and re-edited your post.

[MrSneis]

Well I just bought a 20gb month and half ago used with some extras for $450; I thought I was getting a pretty sweet deal at the time but all this price drop news + bonus movies etc just hurts :(

What bugs me most though is that I've been out of the state for 3 weeks now and haven't even been able to play NGS!!!!!

[vasco]

You can always see what's playable on European PS3's

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm

I live in Maryland. Would that list be the same as the US list?

[RedvsBlue]

I live in Maryland. Would that list be the same as the US list?

Nope, Maryland has its own backward compatability list. Google it.

[vasco]

Nope, Maryland has its own backward compatability list. Google it.

:lol: :applause: :lol: :applause:

What I meant was is the European list the same as the US list.

[RedvsBlue]

:lol: :applause: :lol: :applause:

What I meant was is the European list the same as the US list.

No one really knows for sure cause they haven't taken the emotion engine chip out of the PS3 in North America yet. The assumption right now is that if a game works on the European PS3 console it should work on the North American EE-less PS3 when it comes out.

[PhrostByte]

No one really knows for sure cause they haven't taken the emotion engine chip out of the PS3 in North America yet. The assumption right now is that if a game works on the European PS3 console it should work on the North American EE-less PS3 when it comes out.

Rez works. Street Fighter works.. nuff said let's move on. :lol: