Killzone 2 - Gen. Discussion & Info

[blitz6speed]

I am a little LTTP on this, just hit level 4 in the single player.

I changed the controls to alt 2 to make it like COD4, and it feels decent. Its hard to aim but obviously this is because aim assist is basically non-existent. The graphics are absolutely amazing and this has the most violent sniper kills ive ever seen in a game, ripping peoples heads clean off of their bodys. Pretty amazing. The sound is also really great.

The framerate and controls are my major beefs with it right now, although im getting more and more used to the game as i am going through it. Its my first actual play through and im impressed mostly by the graphics, they're pretty incredible.

[Snake2715]

blitz, you play multi player ever? Give it a try here for sure.

[blitz6speed]

I haven't touched the mutli yet, no. I will try it for sure. I give everything a chance.

[mykevermin]

I just started playing the MP on KZ2 this week. Still quite good, though any game titles "no rockets" immediately draws my attention to it. Fuckin' rocket launchin' motherfuckers.

[dallow]

I miss those dynamic gametypes.

[advanced]

How is MP on this now? I haven't played in ages. I got tired/bored of it after I stopped unlocking stuff. Are people still playing now that MW2 is out?

[mykevermin]

Yep.

[smiggity]

I think the MP on this is seriously underrated. Its sad CAG doesn't have a good clan up in the tournaments and whatnot.

[Darknyss]

I think the MP on this is seriously underrated. Its sad CAG doesn't have a good clan up in the tournaments and whatnot.
Says the guy who bailed on the hardcore clan! :lol:

All kidding aside, this game has an exceptional clan system. I think it just got a little overwhelming for one person to seek out other clans and schedule matches that fit with everyone's schedule. The game was incredible when we were filling out private games at release.

It'd be nice to get ~10 CAGs to play regularly. IMO, 4 player games are a little boring and can get lop-sided real easily.

[smiggity]

Says the guy who bailed on the hardcore clan! :lol:

All kidding aside, this game has an exceptional clan system. I think it just got a little overwhelming for one person to seek out other clans and schedule matches that fit with everyone's schedule. The game was incredible when we were filling out private games at release.

It'd be nice to get ~10 CAGs to play regularly. IMO, 4 player games are a little boring and can get lop-sided real easily.

I know man, thats why I feel bad. :cry: But Socom is the shiz when it comes to competitive shooters, and I really only have time to dedicate myself to one. I totally expected someone to step up and adequately fill my shoes but I guess it did not happen. Its a shame for sure :cry:

[dopa345]

Hey, if anyone is setting up multiplayer games, let me know.

[blitz6speed]

I am not joking when i say this is my most hated Ps3 game of all time at this point. Im playing the game on stinkin easy and ive died over a hundred times. The last level when the guy disappears and the enemies come? WTF is this garbage? I beat MW2 on VETERAN and it was easier then this. IM PLAYING ON EASY. IT SHOULDNT BE A NIGHTMARE DIFFICULTY WITH FRAGS AND ROCKET LAUNCHERS KILLING ME LEFT/RIGHT.

Honestly, this game is drop dead gorgeous, but it is one of the most IDIOTIC designed games ive ever played in my life. The main guns you use absolutely SUCK, theres no HUD to tell you where the shots came from, and even on easy its ridiculously difficult. The game never gives you any hints as to how to accomplish anything, just go out there and figure it out by dyeing a ton of times.

In short, EFF this game. I got so tired of BS deaths that i just quit and i dont even know if ill bother to finish it. This game has so much potential, but its just designed by an idiot who has no clue what the hell they are doing.

[007]

I am not joking when i say this is my most hated Ps3 game of all time at this point. Im playing the game on stinkin easy and ive died over a hundred times. The last level when the guy disappears and the enemies come? WTF is this garbage? I beat MW2 on VETERAN and it was easier then this. IM PLAYING ON EASY. IT SHOULDNT BE A NIGHTMARE DIFFICULTY WITH FRAGS AND ROCKET LAUNCHERS KILLING ME LEFT/RIGHT.

Honestly, this game is drop dead gorgeous, but it is one of the most IDIOTIC designed games ive ever played in my life. The main guns you use absolutely SUCK, theres no HUD to tell you where the shots came from, and even on easy its ridiculously difficult. The game never gives you any hints as to how to accomplish anything, just go out there and figure it out by dyeing a ton of times.

In short, EFF this game. I got so tired of BS deaths that i just quit and i dont even know if ill bother to finish it. This game has so much potential, but its just designed by an idiot who has no clue what the hell they are doing.

Bitch much?

I had the same issues with the final boss as you, which led me to completely lose a ton of interest in the game immediately. However, everything up to that point was pretty great. The end was a poorly designed cockfuck, I'll give you that.

To refute: One, there *is* a HUD that shows where the shots came from. I'm not sure how you missed that. Like, in the dead center of he screen when/after you get shot. Two, outside of the final battle, the game hand-holds you through it. Press up on the d-pad and it brings up an HUD marker that shows you exactly where to go. Like, exactly, as in 'takes you to a new marker every 5-10 feet on the path'. Three, in terms of difficulty... well, I can't help you with that one. I didn't really find the game challenging until the end boss (due to lack of direction), so I'm not sure where that's coming from. You, uh, were using the cover system, right? ;)

So, yeah, normally I don't respond to stuff like this, but I had to at least refute two blatantly untrue things you 'hated' about the game.

[Halo05]

I thought this game was much easier than any of the CoD games on Hardened let alone Veteran.

MW2, defending some fucking computer thing in a house with a million doors and windows...ugh.

[Snake2715]

Um sniper rifle. The end guy is not that big of a bitch, take his helpers out, but dont forget to keep hitting him.. if I remember correctly its when you get him down that you need to watch out.

The clan thing needs to happen I am back on again and in the other thread there a few people that are playing as well.

[007]

Um sniper rifle. The end guy is not that big of a bitch, take his helpers out, but dont forget to keep hitting him.. if I remember correctly its when you get him down that you need to watch out.

My issue was that (spoiler, possibly) I *was* plugging him with the sniper rifle. In fact, I plugged him 25 times during one wave. The issue I had was that after doing so I realized it was doing nothing. Even on the off chance that it makes him easier to kill at the end, it isn't worth the trade-off of trying to plug him while the others are shooting at you.

To me, the flaw was that there really wasn't any kind of explanation of that 'kill all the guys, and THEN you get to fight Radec thing'. Once you understand that you should just ignore him and kill the regular guys, it's passable (but still not greatly designed), but the game *needed* to be clear about it. My first reaction to the fight was that I needed to peg him with the sniper rifle *while avoiding* the regular guys. I saw it as a nice way of making a one/one fight a little tougher. I was wrong and wasted about 30 minutes trying to kill him.

So, yeah, it was a huge let-down after what I thought was a tightly designed game. It was a bad design choice, period. If they wanted to set it up that way, at least have Radec run into another room for a bit or something... don't fool the player into focusing on him when that's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.

... sorry, I was a bit more irked about that then I thought. It's a shame, too, because I really loved the game (right until that part). I spent probably 40 minutes on what should have been a 10 minute section of game, at best, and to top it off... once he finally came after me, I just used the knife because he kept running directly at me. So, not only was the pre-fight poorly designed, the fight itself was broken. I was... unfulfilled.

This is a fine example of why I actually despise 'boss fights' in FPSs.

[Snake2715]

Gotcha.. the last part of that fight was tougher for me... I didnt run into your issue. Its been over a year since I played it so my memory is vague but I do remember the battle.

from what I remember I would hit him once and he would go invisible, and the guys would spawn. I would kill them and get another shot at Radec before he went invisible. It made sense to me.. I didn't use the knife on him, he was tearing me up when he got close. I think I used the revolver and boosted away from him.

[xinoart]

Note to bitchers:

You can NOT kill the last guy until after he disappears from the knifing sequence. He will jump up into the balcony. Then you kill him. ;)

[dallow]

I beat it on next to hardest difficulty. Couple of spots were a minor pain, but definitely easier than CoD which I beat on Veteran.

[blitz6speed]

As i said, i beat MW2 on veteran before playing this game. I did it in a single sitting and it was a walk in the park compared to this game. And i know about pressing up, im mostly speaking about where all the enemies are, you just have to look around and hopefully not die while you look. And yes im using cover.

[Blackout]

I am not joking when i say this is my most hated Ps3 game of all time at this point. Im playing the game on stinkin easy and ive died over a hundred times. The last level when the guy disappears and the enemies come? WTF is this garbage? I beat MW2 on VETERAN and it was easier then this. IM PLAYING ON EASY. IT SHOULDNT BE A NIGHTMARE DIFFICULTY WITH FRAGS AND ROCKET LAUNCHERS KILLING ME LEFT/RIGHT.

Honestly, this game is drop dead gorgeous, but it is one of the most IDIOTIC designed games ive ever played in my life. The main guns you use absolutely SUCK, theres no HUD to tell you where the shots came from, and even on easy its ridiculously difficult. The game never gives you any hints as to how to accomplish anything, just go out there and figure it out by dyeing a ton of times.

In short, EFF this game. I got so tired of BS deaths that i just quit and i dont even know if ill bother to finish it. This game has so much potential, but its just designed by an idiot who has no clue what the hell they are doing.

I played on Normal and I got my ass kicked the entire game. The final boss is the biggest piece of shit that I can remember. It's completely awful and lowered my opinion of the game. I wanted to kill somebody after playing it. Other than that, the game was great, but that final boss (and even that last stretch of enemies as you advance in the city) was way too frustrating.

[xinoart]

Personally I don't see how people think this game is so hard. I found it extremely easy, except the final boss fight. Then it comes down to knowing what weapons to use and when, and learning the tactics of the enemies. *shrugs* It's definitely my favorite FPS right now, although I haven't played it in awhile. To each their own of course.

[blitz6speed]

I just finished it, finally. If i had the last level finished without dying, id also have the trophy for that but thats just not possible for me atm. Now that ive finished it, ive got this strange desire to play it again. I am going to shelf it for now then come back to it and finish it on Elite perhaps, then maybe even try for the platinum. We'll see. It was pretty rewarding finally finishing it. I must have died ~100 times or so on the last level on easy, its pathetic.

Anyhow, this game is not for everyone. Thats for sure. If someone is a gamer, i would recommend it to them. If they are new to gaming or dont know FPS that well, i would never suggest this game to them.

[Megiddo_CAG]

I just finished it, finally. If i had the last level finished without dying, id also have the trophy for that but thats just not possible for me atm. Now that ive finished it, ive got this strange desire to play it again. I am going to shelf it for now then come back to it and finish it on Elite perhaps, then maybe even try for the platinum. We'll see. It was pretty rewarding finally finishing it. I must have died ~100 times or so on the last level on easy, its pathetic.

Anyhow, this game is not for everyone. Thats for sure. If someone is a gamer, i would recommend it to them. If they are new to gaming or dont know FPS that well, i would never suggest this game to them.

So I'm assuming this game is difficult? :cry:
Thinking of picking this game up relatively soon.

[Invin]

The first playthrough was pretty tough. The next (other than several parts on Elite) were much better. I don't see how people are dying on easy though. You have to be pretty reckless or be horrible at using the cover system. I finished the final level on easy in less than 15 mins with no deaths and without any problems. I do have to admit that this game isn't for casual gamers though.

[Megiddo_CAG]

The first playthrough was pretty tough. The next (other than several parts on Elite) were much better. I don't see how people are dying on easy though. You have to be pretty reckless or be horrible at using the cover system. I finished the final level on easy in less than 15 mins with no deaths and without any problems. I do have to admit that this game isn't for casual gamers though.

Tryed the demo, seemed pretty solid. Controls were clunky for
some reason to me.

How's the multiplayer community? noob friendly?

[Snake2715]

Yeah noob friendly if you get spawn campers just jump out and join another match.

[mykevermin]

I'm getting back into MP, but I'm terrible and have few of the unlocks.

I'm looking for someone to help me boost some of the mission/turret ribbons so that I can have access to the weapons everyone else seems to be kicking my ass with (like the revolver).

PM me if you want some help, or send me a PSN message.

[Richlough]

The save doesn't copy , looks like I have to start over on my Slim .

[blitz6speed]

The save doesn't copy , looks like I have to start over on my Slim .

Protected saves like KZ2 can only be moved 2 ways.

1 - If its the same PS3, a backup/restore will work with a usb hard drive.

2- If its a all new PS3, you need the network transfer feature that was added in 3.15 firmware. It MOVES the save from the old ps3 to the new one, signing the save to the new hardware. This involves having both ps3s in working order obviously.

[Richlough]

Protected saves like KZ2 can only be moved 2 ways.

1 - If its the same PS3, a backup/restore will work with a usb hard drive.

2- If its a all new PS3, you need the network transfer feature that was added in 3.15 firmware. It MOVES the save from the old ps3 to the new one, signing the save to the new hardware. This involves having both ps3s in working order obviously.

I'll have to try the network method .

My 60 GB still works all but BDs .

Thanks .

[rpnguyen]

I'm getting back into MP, but I'm terrible and have few of the unlocks.

I'm looking for someone to help me boost some of the mission/turret ribbons so that I can have access to the weapons everyone else seems to be kicking my ass with (like the revolver).

PM me if you want some help, or send me a PSN message.

I'm a decent player who prefers just playing the game properly, but there are just some ribbons (especially mission specific ribbons) that require a good amount of luck such as the assassination survival ribbon. it's random who the target is, and if you're on a team of 16 players, you have a 1/16 chance of getting picked, and then you have to survive after that. I think I have ONE of those ribbons, after playing the game in MP for 10hr.

if you're up for ribbon boosting or just want to play with a fellow CAG, please give me a pm. PSN ID is NiGhTHaWk830.

[m_d_amore]

I'll have to try the network method .

My 60 GB still works all but BDs .

Thanks .

put a new laser in and resurrect that bad boy

[mykevermin]

I'm a decent player who prefers just playing the game properly, but there are just some ribbons (especially mission specific ribbons) that require a good amount of luck such as the assassination survival ribbon. it's random who the target is, and if you're on a team of 16 players, you have a 1/16 chance of getting picked, and then you have to survive after that. I think I have ONE of those ribbons, after playing the game in MP for 10hr.

if you're up for ribbon boosting or just want to play with a fellow CAG, please give me a pm. PSN ID is NiGhTHaWk830.

Right. I've been playing proper for sure - if all goes well, I'll legit earn my Grand Valor Cross trophy later tonight.

I just know some of them are highly bloody unlikely - the capture and hold ribbon = 10 *kills* while defending an area in a round? I'll never get one of those, let alone eight. Add what you said about assassination, and the air turret ribbons (which are simply very hard, and not outright PITA).

I'll add you to my friends list and we'll play sometime.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I set up a 2-player game this past week where I survived my assassination as well as killed him - and he dropped about 45 seconds before the entire game ended. I did not get a ribbon for that. I don't get how that's possible.

[Snake2715]

I'm a decent player who prefers just playing the game properly, but there are just some ribbons (especially mission specific ribbons) that require a good amount of luck such as the assassination survival ribbon. it's random who the target is, and if you're on a team of 16 players, you have a 1/16 chance of getting picked, and then you have to survive after that. I think I have ONE of those ribbons, after playing the game in MP for 10hr.

if you're up for ribbon boosting or just want to play with a fellow CAG, please give me a pm. PSN ID is NiGhTHaWk830.


i didnt get that ribbon till close to 70 hour mark.

I am almost 100% ribboned out @ 100 hours.

[J7.]

What were your settings for X/Y Sensitivity & high precision? No matter what controls I select they all feel a bit floaty and it seriously detracts from the game. If this was playable with mouse and kb it would be so awesome. I found it odd when I heard people using Alternate Setup where you cannot do cover & zoom in simultaneously.

[mykevermin]

I have not found a "sweet spot" for sensitivity settings, J7. I think it depends on the weapon, really.

Guerilla needs to update some things to balance the game out. So help me god every match I end up in at Radec Academy is a clusterfuck of 10-year olds flinging rocket launchers all over creation. I see something resembling "strategy" in perhaps 1 out of every 50 matches I play.

It has some great potential for multiplayer, and I think the maps are well designed. But I also think that Killzone has been dropped off the radar by Guerilla/Sony unless they want to sell us more maps. There are greater issues with the online portion of the game, and it appears Sony's stance with it is the same as it is with MW2: "hey, PSN is free, so we're not fixing shit when it comes to cheats/exploits/glitches."

That's a pretty aggravating mentality.

[Vanigan]

Bleh, they're probably already working on KZ3 using as much of KZ2's code and assets as they can to recoup the losses from KZ2.

[Invin]

Guerrilla received losses from KZ2?
I just beat MW2 on Veteran and have to admit that it was much easier than Elite on KZ2. I felt that MW2 was much more unfair though (enemies had 100% accuracy standing a hundred yards away).

[RelentlessRolento]

Well, aside from Timesplitters and N64 FPSs, KZ is the only series I've actually enjoyed for an FPS.

[pram12]

KZ2 won Shooter of the Year on Gamespot... beating out COD:MW2, L4D2, Halo:ODST and one other one I can't remember.

[mykevermin]

I like KZ2 a ton, but choosing it over MW2 appears, on the surface, to be something to drive pageviews and revenue more than anything else.

[J7.]

I think this game was destroyed by the controls. They suck and seriously ruined the gameplay. I'm finding it hard to even complete this. Edit: not from the difficulty (which is just right on hard) but from aggravation with the controls and the lackluster story & characters.

[asthmatic]

I'm a decent player who prefers just playing the game properly, but there are just some ribbons (especially mission specific ribbons) that require a good amount of luck such as the assassination survival ribbon. it's random who the target is, and if you're on a team of 16 players, you have a 1/16 chance of getting picked, and then you have to survive after that. I think I have ONE of those ribbons, after playing the game in MP for 10hr.

if you're up for ribbon boosting or just want to play with a fellow CAG, please give me a pm. PSN ID is NiGhTHaWk830.

This is my last ribbon that i need (7/8). Rarely do i get picked and when I do, no body wants to protect me :(

[Snake2715]

This is my last ribbon that i need (7/8). Rarely do i get picked and when I do, no body wants to protect me :(

If you want to play legitly and get those harder ribbons, play in a lower player amount game. Chances go up when you play in a 7-8 person game. Or even a 4 person game.

[mykevermin]

I set up a short game w/ 2 players and dueled my way to 8 ribbons. The downside is being patient enough to wait for another player to join.

Just finished all my ribbons a couple hours ago, going to finish up the MP trophies here in a bit (just have the expansion pack ones to go), and then try to weave my way through SP, which I've hardly touched.

[mykevermin]

I'm going to give it a go on Elite difficulty over the next few days. I hear mixed reports over how difficult it is - but let's be honest: fps titles with health regeneration are rarely difficult, they just vary in how long you have to hide behind cover to avoid being hit.

[fuss]

I'm going to give it a go on Elite difficulty over the next few days. I hear mixed reports over how difficult it is - but let's be honest: fps titles with health regeneration are rarely difficult, they just vary in how long you have to hide behind cover to avoid being hit.
lol ya - know your cover and you will be fine. There was a few spots that were a PAIN (like the mine train) but you will do it. I just got the plat a few days ago which I never thought I would get when I first got the game.

[flameofdoom666]

Is the story from Killzone 1 continued in 2? I own 2 but am hesitant to play it...

[mguiddy]

Is the story from Killzone 1 continued in 2? I own 2 but am hesitant to play it...
Yes... but having played the first I'd say you don't need to have played it to get the second.

It's not a direct continuation... more like a plain sequel to a movie... my opinion is that Killzone 1 and 2 is more like Home Alone 1 and 2 (or Harry Potter 1 and 2) than Lord of the Rings 1 and 2. :lol: Some of the faces are the same, similar story line/same general setting (Helghan/ISA war), you may not get some of the conflicts between the characters, that's it.

[mykevermin]

The story in KZ2 seemed empty to me, as there was little exposition at the start of the game. It felt to me like you missed tons of background narrative if you didn't play KZ1 (or perhaps the PSP game as well).

Don't play this game for the story - it's not there.

[mykevermin]

Got my platinum trophy and 100% complete tonight.

The final battle is as tough as everyone says it is, if not tougher.

[J7.]

The final battle is very easy if you use the flame thrower on him right at the beginning.

[mykevermin]

The final battle is very easy if you use the flame thrower on him right at the beginning.

That wasn't the difficult part - it was the second of the four checkpoints in that area. Good lord, that was hard.

I'd estimate about two dozens tries on the first, 4 tries on the third, and 3 on the final one - and I couldn't even begin to fathom how many #2 took.

[peloquin17]

i just started playing KZ2 again.

i personally like it better than COD:MW2

[camoor]

The story in KZ2 seemed empty to me, as there was little exposition at the start of the game. It felt to me like you missed tons of background narrative if you didn't play KZ1 (or perhaps the PSP game as well).

Don't play this game for the story - it's not there.

The Killzone 2 story is the worst videogame story I ever witnessed.

Killzone 1 plot was pretty generic, but it had great characters who were completely revamped or missing in Killzone 2.

I played the hell out of Killzone 1, I disliked Killzone 2 so much that I barely beat campaign mode before I traded it away.

[sotc1988]

I'm replaying a couple games in my collection this month (Infamous, MGS4, and Killzone 2) and this game in particular stands out as to what a few months of separation can do for a game. When it came out, I kind of liked it, the graphics were good and the online had some nice things about it. Now that I've come back the environments and overall feel of the campaign is terrible. Guerilla seems to be a group of children trying to keep up in an adult's world. The music is out of place, the environments are boring and drab looking, the frame rate can't keep up with the game engine, the guns feel bad (I kind of like the "heaviness" of the guns but it just isn't fun to kill enemies), and the story is totally amateurish. Online was pretty good. I didn't stick around long but the inclusion of having multiple modes per match is brilliant. I get that a lot of people dug the game but this was just a total waste of money for me.

[camoor]

I'm replaying a couple games in my collection this month (Infamous, MGS4, and Killzone 2) and this game in particular stands out as to what a few months of separation can do for a game. When it came out, I kind of liked it, the graphics were good and the online had some nice things about it. Now that I've come back the environments and overall feel of the campaign is terrible. Guerilla seems to be a group of children trying to keep up in an adult's world. The music is out of place, the environments are boring and drab looking, the frame rate can't keep up with the game engine, the guns feel bad (I kind of like the "heaviness" of the guns but it just isn't fun to kill enemies), and the story is totally amateurish. Online was pretty good. I didn't stick around long but the inclusion of having multiple modes per match is brilliant. I get that a lot of people dug the game but this was just a total waste of money for me.

You nailed it. That was everything I felt and you put it into words perfectly. Since I don't do online, I felt the game was almost a total dud.