Killzone 2 - Gen. Discussion & Info

[blueweltall]

Is there going to be a collector's edition for this game? I'm a sucker for collector's edition even though most of it is useless crap that I don't need.

[Thomas96]

I don't want to play any Killzone 2 demos. I'm hoping to really enjoy the game, I don't want to spoil anything.

[zenprime]

Apparently Europe is getting the demo without having to do preorders, but when is still the question.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/06/europe-to-receive-killzone-2-demo-no-strings-attached/

[smiggity]

GG did say we (US) are getting a demo after release

[dallow]

The lights, the smoke effects, the explosion, the body flying by...

Oh, i just noticed the gunfire through the smoke at the end there....

http://i41.tinypic.com/2h5n37m.gif

[Ecofreak]

The lights, the smoke effects, the explosion, the body flying by...

Oh, i just noticed the gunfire through the smoke at the end there....

http://i41.tinypic.com/2h5n37m.gif

:drool: :drool: :drool:

[NamPaehc]

Meh. I'm still waiting for them to have light shine through the characters ears. :lol:

[Maklershed]

Was dallow_bg visiting gaf again? :)

[dallow]

Was dallow_bg visiting gaf again? :)
Everytime I need to make my pants tighter.

[Mr. 420]

Wow, this game looks amazing. Glad I didn't buy a 360 lol.

[Shrapnellistic]

Very easy to read HUD, exactly how I would design a HUD for an FPS.

[Thomas96]

this game looks amazing, I can't wait to play it.

[RelentlessRolento]

just watched the HD Youtube version of the review build. superb.

still wondering what the third faction is and I'm guessing it'll be a larger part of the story in KZ3...

[VipFREAK]

Man, this is gonna be EPIC. :)

This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQcd6mpym3A

[Ecofreak]

Wow...Sony must be REALLY confident about this game if they're willing to show off slow-mo videos.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44150.html#comments_top

I love watching guys getting throw in the air. :drool:

[dallow]

That trailer, along with the new stuff on gametrailers.......... wow.

http://i42.tinypic.com/deqwia.gif

[VipFREAK]

Wowwie.

[aznguyen316]

ooooh man this is gonna be phat

[Thomas96]

I hope there's a Helghast (terrorist) Hunt online MODE!!!!! I know the game is going to get some sales, but truthfully, if K2 is going to be the game of 2009, I think its going to need good online modes. I hope that they keep the game fresh with good DLC during the year.

[VipFREAK]

They fucking better, they've had enough time...

[mykee98]

so for the first time in my life I might call in sick just to play a video game.

[dallow]

so for the first time in my life I might call in sick just to play a video game.
Do it.

http://i44.tinypic.com/dfzzhe.gif

[FloodsAreUponUS]

Eh, not impressed.

Make the guns less floaty.

[dallow]

Eh, not impressed.

Make the guns less floaty....


This is the least "floaty" FPS you're gonna find.
The guns are extremely heavy and move with you in possibly the most realistic fashion seen yet.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

...


This is the least "floaty" FPS you're gonna find.
The guns are extremely heavy and move with you in possibly the most realistic fashion seen yet.

So instead of being floaty im stuck in cement while aiming?

Crysis looks better.
This shit is gonna run at like 20fps like the first.

[dallow]

WTF?

Make up your mind, first you say it's floaty, and now you're stuck in cement?
And then Crysis?
And then 20fps?

You realize the last few gifs and video are in slow motion right?

:rofl:

[FloodsAreUponUS]

The gifs are small, motion blurred to hell so you dont see the shitty textures, game looks scripted as anything, and its probably going to run just like the first game did.

Everything ive seen from killzone 2 looks generic as anything, yes it may be pretty to the naked eye, but it wont fool me with all of its post processing effects it tries to throw at you.

Crysis>Killzone 2.

[Chacrana]

It's pretty, but I played Killzone 1, so I know better.

[mykee98]

Do it.

http://i44.tinypic.com/dfzzhe.gif

thats gonna be me flying around but i'll look good....

[dallow]

The gifs are small, motion blurred to hell so you dont see the shitty textures, game looks scripted as anything, and its probably going to run just like the first game did.

Everything ive seen from killzone 2 looks generic as anything, yes it may be pretty to the naked eye, but it wont fool me with all of its post processing effects it tries to throw at you.

Crysis>Killzone 2.
What was with the floaty and then stuck in cement comment though?
That's what I'm really interested in.

:puts fist under chin:

You're right though, it's gonna run like crap despite everyone with review copies saying it has absolutely beautiful textures (and there are many direct feed shots to prove it), and is locked at 30fps with no dips.

[Thomas96]

The gifs are small, motion blurred to hell so you dont see the shitty textures, game looks scripted as anything, and its probably going to run just like the first game did.

Everything ive seen from killzone 2 looks generic as anything, yes it may be pretty to the naked eye, but it wont fool me with all of its post processing effects it tries to throw at you.

Crysis>Killzone 2.

You're like NEO (from the matrix) instead of looking at the game you can see the very processing code that is going on, and when you look directly at the code, the game is crap. So I guess it looks good with al lthe processing effects it throws at us. Not bad.

[Thomas96]

thats gonna be me flying around but i'll look good....

LOL oh shit... LOL....

[Maklershed]

Dallow, lets be in a clan. :twoguns:

I call medic!

[dallow]

But I call medic!

Let's sit in the back and heal each other. :grouphug:

[Maklershed]

We'll hide behind the guys with guns.

[FloodsAreUponUS]

What was with the floaty and then stuck in cement comment though?
That's what I'm really interested in.

:puts fist under chin:

You're right though, it's gonna run like crap despite everyone with review copies saying it has absolutely beautiful textures (and there are many direct feed shots to prove it), and is locked at 30fps with no dips.


I read from previews(albeit from this summer) that the game had floaty controls.
I presumed that when you said it was heavy that they had fixed it, and it was no longer an issue, but then it got me thinking that if they wanted to go that route its going to be insanely slow.

Sorry for any confusion.

[ratzombie]

The gifs are small, motion blurred to hell so you dont see the shitty textures, game looks scripted as anything, and its probably going to run just like the first game did.

Everything ive seen from killzone 2 looks generic as anything, yes it may be pretty to the naked eye, but it wont fool me with all of its post processing effects it tries to throw at you.

Crysis>Killzone 2.
I played the beta, and going by that I'd say you are absolutely wrong.

This game is actually going to be fun, unlike Crysis.

[OatmealMu]

I dunno. In Crysis, you can punch shanty houses to pieces. You can also throw Koreans through said shanty houses. What I'm trying to say is that Crysis is the premiere shanty house destroyer simulator.

Shanty house.

[dallow]

I read from previews(albeit from this summer) that the game had floaty controls.
I presumed that when you said it was heavy that they had fixed it, and it was no longer an issue, but then it got me thinking that if they wanted to go that route its going to be insanely slow.

Sorry for any confusion.
No problem buddy!
Get KZ2 and let's be in a clan with Maklershed! We need a third medic!

[FloodsAreUponUS]

No problem buddy!
Get KZ2 and let's be in a clan with Maklershed! We need a third medic!

We gonna be invincible yo with this many medics we gonna be a walking hospital.

[hankmecrankme]

Damn, Killzone 1 was horrible. K2 looks better, sure, but Guerrilla Games has made Killzone, Killzone Liberation, and Shellshock Nam '67. So I'm not holding my breath for this to be great or anything. If it's decent, I may pick it up for cheap down the line.

[dallow]

Our all medic clan should be called.... The Killer-izers.

So cool.

[freakyzeeky]

The game looks amazing, and the ragdoll physics look hilarious... Can't wait for this to come out. :)

[The Mana Knight]

Anyway, I preordered Killzone 2 and got my demo code. Can't wait to download it on 2/5. :D
Damn, Killzone 1 was horrible. K2 looks better, sure, but Guerrilla Games has made Killzone, Killzone Liberation, and Shellshock Nam '67. So I'm not holding my breath for this to be great or anything. If it's decent, I may pick it up for cheap down the line.Killzone Liberation was a fantastic game. You also have to understand that before Guerrilla was owned by SCE, they were a small team. Sony has basically expanded the team by 2-3X people, and has even replaced the lead producer if I'm not mistaken. Guerrilla is pretty much a whole new team now, compared to before.
I played the beta, and going by that I'd say you are absolutely wrong.

This game is actually going to be fun, unlike Crysis.Crysis wasn't fun, that I agree with.
It's pretty, but I played Killzone 1, so I know better.Like I said before, Guerrilla is a WHOLE different team now and Killzone Liberation was actually pretty good. OPM also gave the game a 5/5, and they can be tough on games (I mean they gave R2 a 4/5, which deserves better IMO).

[zewone]

TMK, you only want this game because it's on the PS3. Who are you to call anyone else out?

[FriskyTanuki]

You have to unlock the medic class, dallow. So you can't be one right off the bat unless they've changed it since the beta.

[The Mana Knight]

TMK, you only want this game because it's on the PS3. Who are you to call anyone else out?I own a 360 and buy exclusives on 360.

Regardless, I can't wait to play it. I actually enjoyed the first Killzone, while I'll admit it had some issues. Killzone Liberation on the other hand was fantastic.

[DarkNessBear]

Cannot wait for this game... it just looks so damn good.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44190.html

[zewone]

I have a 360 and buy 360 exclusives also on it. I actually happen to want Star Ocean 4 the most on any console, and it happens to be a 360 game.:roll:

Regardless, I can't wait to play it. I actually enjoyed the first Killzone, while I'll admit it had some issues. Killzone Liberation on the other hand was fantastic.

If KZ2 was a 360 exclusive you wouldn't be so quick to defend it. :roll:

[zewone]

No, that game is actually fun. I don't care about it's exclusivity, it could come out tomorrow for PC/Wii//PS3 for all I care. I love loot-drop games like PSO, Diablo, Monster Hunter, Too Human.

Get over it and just accept it. Don't call people out.

[manthing]

Some people are just a little jealous because PS3 gets an awesome FPS with awesome graphics. ;)


Hopefully for once.

:lol:

[zewone]

Why would I be jealous? I preordered the game for my PS3 yesterday.

I hope the game is awesome, but I hope it's awesome because I want to enjoy it.

I don't hope it's awesome because I want another reason to defend the PS3.

[dallow]

You have to unlock the medic class, dallow. So you can't be one right off the bat unless they've changed it since the beta.
I was just joking about being a medic or on a team of medics, but thanks.

[The Mana Knight]

Hopefully for once.

:lol:R2 is already awesome for co-op, but I understand it's not a game for everyone.

Anyway, let's just drop the subject.

Finally got around to seeing the YouTube video, and OMG. :D

EDIT: To also let people know, I'm considering handing off my Warhawk nights and create CAG Killzone 2 nights.

[NamPaehc]

I kind of wish it did come out on PC so we could see Gary's Mod type stuff or set up big chain explosions for fun haha.

[near]

Need to get a DS3 in time for this, then the experience will be at it's PEAK!

[LinkinPrime]

Got my demo code...let's see how this one plays out.

[smiggity]

R2 is not even in this league. ANd if you guys are going to turn this into another Sony vs Microsoft thread then just STFU

[Thomas96]

If KZ2 was a 360 exclusive you wouldn't be so quick to defend it. :roll:

So what's your point... If a game is exclusive to your console of choice, then of course you want it to be good. But really, any gamer, pure gamer is going to want this game to be good... why would anyone want this game (or any other) to be bad. You never see Mana going to other forums to talk trash about a game. Either he likes it, or he doesn't.

[Thomas96]

Got my demo code...let's see how this one plays out.

Welcome to the Darkside! (you coming to Killzone 2 CAG nights?)

[VipFREAK]

Bwahahahhahahaha! Who the fuck mentioned R2? they're silly. R2...

I can't believe there would be a moron that would actually try to turn this into a console debate. What I would expect is people bashing KZ2 for how the first one was.

[manthing]

I can't believe there would be a moron that would actually try to turn this into a console debate. What I would expect is people bashing KZ2 for how the first one was.


That's why I'm still apprehensive about KZ2.

KZ was such a generic bore.

[VipFREAK]

But it's not... and I'd gladly pop my copy of KZ1 in to play it.

[Thomas96]

I think that if the original Killzone would have been released on the Xbox, it would have been a better FPS. I think that the main part of the problem is that Killzone came out for the PS2 in the age of Halo. PS2 FPS games were not that good.. none of em. XIII wasn't so bad, because it was cell shaded. As a matter of fact, it came out over a year after Halo had been on the market. I think that if Killzone came out earlier, then it wouldn't have been considered a bad game (or as bad). I don't think anyone should hold Killzone against Guerilla, at this point. Now if they fuck up Killzone 2, then that's on them, not the hardware. Also, at least they were able to create a world and story that people like. Killzone Liberation was a success -

[VipFREAK]

:shrugs: I didn't have an xbox, didn't have any desire to get one, tried my friends, tried halo, and happily went back to KZ or whatever fps I was doing which was probably rainbow six.

[Vanigan]

Killzone 1 had a beautiful artistic design, even the AI was good when they could spare processor and memory to actually power it. If you spent time in certain places where they gave the AI processor power, the AI would do neat things like move into cover and flank. Sadly, the PS2 was simply too old hardware to handle the kind of game Killzone 1 was.

I actually think that if Killzone 1 was released on a decent platform, it would have been that generation's Call of Duty 4.

[Maklershed]

No problem buddy!
Get KZ2 and let's be in a clan with Maklershed! We need a third medic!


We need someone to open the band-aids for us.

[Maklershed]

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/09/killzone-2-videos-are-in-your-eyes-now/

:bouncy:

[aznguyen316]

thanks maklershed, I liked the slow mo vid with the opera singer haha

[KingBroly]

So has the demo become available? And are there any spare codes out there? :)

Also, is it just Multiplayer?

[mykee98]

demo isn't available til feb 5th, but the cards are available at gamestop with preorder.

[zewone]

Demo is out Feb. 5th.

Whoever can edit the title should add that to keep repeat questions to a minimum.

[Maklershed]

I just pre-ordered through Amazon. I know the Home stuff is kinda useless but I imagine getting more use out of it than a demo, considering I dont want the game to be spoiled before I start playing it and I obviously would never play it after I own the game.

[zewone]

...

[Maklershed]

???

[Thongsy]

I think it's a little cheaper on Amazon also, a few bucks. Better virtual clothing than a demo I can probably get off the European PSN store.

[Ecofreak]

New Preview special from GameTrailers.com

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44237.html

[RelentlessRolento]

apparently a large portion of the press is gushing over playing the review builds...

[Thomas96]

Because Killzone is coming out so early in the year, its gonna be hard for it to get voted game of the year.

[zewone]

Because Killzone is coming out so early in the year, its gonna be hard for it to get voted game of the year.

Shouldn't be a problem if it deserves it.

[Thomas96]

Shouldn't be a problem if it deserves it.

That's true, but I still feel like (even if it deserves it) it would have had a easier time being GOTY if it had been released in November. You know, by the time poeple vote, the novelty of the game may wear off. I hope that the game isn't released and that's it, the game is going to need some DLC, keep it fresh all year round. (i.e. Burnout Paradise support).

[ratzombie]

Who cares? GOTY is a bunch of bullshit anyway.

[Monsta Mack]

Let me say this: I don't own a PS3 even though I have intentions on buying one by this December (pending price drops and deals) and this is probably my most anticipated title for this year. I saw they are releasing a Killzone bundle for Europe and I hope they bring it to the US but I have my doubts.

My only complaints I've seen of this game seem minor: Knifing your way to the finish and a few people don't care for the frame rate being locked at 30FPS.

So yeah, bring out the bundle to the US so I can finally buy a PS3 and grab this game.

[Ecofreak]

Let me say this: I don't own a PS3 even though I have intentions on buying one by this December (pending price drops and deals) and this is probably my most anticipated title for this year. I saw they are releasing a Killzone bundle for Europe and I hope they bring it to the US but I have my doubts.

The man speaks truth!

http://gamzsonev3.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/bundle.jpg?w=280&h=280

Sony did release a MGS4 bundle (albeit in limited quantities), so I can see them releasing a similar bundle for KZ2 (minus the BC I suppose).

And it makes business sense, as I've been reading many people saying "I'll be getting a PS3 once the price drops so I can play this game!"

Release a bundle w/ game and it's basically a $60 price drop. Breaking down the two scenarios (and assuming the base configuration as $400 PS3 + $60 Killzone 2):
$400 PS3 + Free Killzone 2 = Loss of $60 compared to base configuration
$300 PS3 + $60 Killzone = Loss of $40 compared to base configuration

While Sony loses $20 for each bundle sold, they save money on production, distribution, and inventory of the game as well as getting people to buy new PS3 games sooner and thereby getting more royalties.

[Thongsy]

Yea, this would be a good bundle, as would have been a LBP bundle during Christmas. I never understood why they released the 160 gb bundle with Uncharted, though it's a great game, few people will probably want it that didn't already have it since it came out in 2007.

[aznguyen316]

@ Ecofreak - I think you make a great case for a KZ2 bundle. I know there are ppl waiting for a price drop AND waiting for KZ2 to drop, so in turn this will help those people and anyone else on the fence wanting to get a PS3. And with the value out the box, which many forget to see, this is a great deal.

I mention the value OOB, b/c I've had a PS3, and recently got an arcade for the bedroom, and I've paid at least another $200 just to get on par with what the PS3 had to offer (eg wireless network adapter, hard drive and xbox live subscription) anyway, enough of that. This game is getting unanomous scores of greatness. Too excited for this one.

[Maklershed]

I think it's a little cheaper on Amazon also, a few bucks. Better virtual clothing than a demo I can probably get off the European PSN store.


Indeed. It's $56.99 and no tax. Good enough for me.

Who cares? GOTY is a bunch of bullshit anyway.


You are correct sir.

[manthing]

NOBODY in the U.S. is demanding a KZ2 PS3 bundle.


To believe otherwise is fallacy

[Ecofreak]

@ Ecofreak - I think you make a great case for a KZ2 bundle. I know there are ppl waiting for a price drop AND waiting for KZ2 to drop, so in turn this will help those people and anyone else on the fence wanting to get a PS3. And with the value out the box, which many forget to see, this is a great deal.

I wish people actually knew about the PS3's value and then simply forgot. I studied the PS3 before buying it and it wasn't until ~1 month after buying it that I realized how comprehensive the system was. Granted, I bought the MGS4 bundle so the online community had a few years to develop and XMB released a few weeks later.

Once the next price drop happens, I would hope Sony start a marketing strategy focused specifically on value to educate consumers (esp. parents) about why spending more up front will be in their best interest. Kind of along the lines of the PC Vs. Apple commercials. Who knows, MS to make Live free in response (and all consumers win!).

NOBODY in the U.S. is demanding a KZ2 PS3 bundle.

To believe otherwise is fallacy

Zuh? Perhaps there are no active petitions to get a bundle released, but it you must agree that it would be an incentive for some prospective PS3 shoppers to get off the fence and pick-up a system rather than waiting for a price drop.

[Maklershed]

I could see people wanting a KZ2 bundle. I could see more people just wanting a PS3 with backwards compatibility.

[Ecofreak]

I could see people wanting a KZ2 bundle. I could see more people just wanting a PS3 with backwards compatibility.

Probably. But hopefully people will be more focused on PS3 games given the line-up this year and not think about BC too much.

Maybe Sony should include a $25-$50 voucher for a PS2 (or cost of including BC in the PS3), and keep it out of the PS3. So people who want to get a PS2 can do so relatively expensively while Sony saves money by not including the necessary components in the system. In the long run, I think it'd be a better financial option as there are too few games coming out of the PS2 (and thus, diminishing royalty stream) to justify the cost.

[aznguyen316]

I wish people actually knew about the PS3's value and then simply forgot. I studied the PS3 before buying it and it wasn't until ~1 month after buying it that I realized how comprehensive the system was. Granted, I bought the MGS4 bundle so the online community had a few years to develop and XMB released a few weeks later.

Once the next price drop happens, I would hope Sony start a marketing strategy focused specifically on value to educate consumers (esp. parents) about why spending more up front will be in their best interest. Kind of along the lines of the PC Vs. Apple commercials. Who knows, MS to make Live free in response (and all consumers win!).




I'm glad you agree with me, b/c I knew of the value of the PS3, but to really realize it, it took a purchase of a 360 lol. My GF likes it though to play in the bedroom so it's all good here. I like your analogy of the PC vs Apple, b/c I myself am an Apple convert for a few months now, and it is very similar to this case with the PS3 vs 360, hell the resale value of my Apple is tremendous even after a year compared to any PC I've ever owned.

[dallow]

I hope there is no collector's edition after all.
I know Europe has some coming in just a tin case or something.

Just getting tired (of getting tempted by) that crap.

[smiggity]

Collectors editions is one of the biggest bullshit money grabs ever. They all end up $20 less than what the game alone sells for within a month or two

[RelentlessRolento]

yeah, CE are always bullshit IMHO unless you get something else with it as good as the game (ie. like the SFIV one with the SFIV anime). Most just have a shiny case and an artbook...

[Thongsy]

CE are always overpriced now, and well lame. $20 extra for a bonus content dvd of interviews and a tin case. Only rarely are they worth money, usually when the game already has a very large fanbase such as SFIV or MGS4. I wish they did real limited editions and included something people might actually want. Those trailers and making of videos and interviews can all be found online and probably should just be included on the game disc if there is enough space for it. Just like DVD always include some kind of bonus content.

[Vanigan]

I collect art books, and am pretty sad at how a lot Western publishers don't release good quality art books for their games. I so really, really want a good, hardcover, thick art book for Killzone 2.

There was one actually made for PoP2: Warrior Within done by one of my favorite artists, sadly it was only an internal thing.

[The Mana Knight]

To let everyone know, SCEA will probably never bundle KZ2. Except for MGS4, SCEA tends to bundle old games with consoles. SCEE on the other hand does bundles all the time. There was a GTAIV, LBP, MotorStorm: PR, etc. bundles in Europe.
NOBODY in the U.S. is demanding a KZ2 PS3 bundle.


To believe otherwise is fallacyNot true, I know some who are waiting for KZ2. No where near as many as MGS4, but some.
Need to get a DS3 in time for this, then the experience will be at it's PEAK!The DS3 is very much worth it. ;)

[Ecofreak]

yeah, CE are always bullshit IMHO unless you get something else with it as good as the game (ie. like the SFIV one with the SFIV anime). Most just have a shiny case and an artbook...

Why the hate about CEs? If people are willing to pay the extra dough for useless goods, that's their choice and, by extension, the beauty of capitalism. Shouldn't we be cheering for companies when they make more money?

I've learned long ago to skip CEs because, as noted later, they usually drop in price to same as regular edition within a month and generally not worth the price. For those who think otherwise, more power to them. Flex your consumer muscle! :boxing:

[VipFREAK]

Probably even more so after the Halo 3 CE fiasco. lool

[RelentlessRolento]

Why the hate about CEs? If people are willing to pay the extra dough for useless goods, that's their choice and, by extension, the beauty of capitalism. Shouldn't we be cheering for companies when they make more money?

I've learned long ago to skip CEs because, as noted later, they usually drop in price to same as regular edition within a month and generally not worth the price. For those who think otherwise, more power to them. Flex your consumer muscle! :boxing:


I can see where you come from, but I like it when the CE actually feel like they put an effort behind them instead of just giving a shiny cover and a DVD full of trailers.

[Chase]

The Killzone 2 bundle looks pretty. It's the color of custard, and I like custard. :drool:

[RelentlessRolento]

From what it sounds like the preview build that the press have been playing (until now) is nothing as good as the review build.

[Blackout]

Probably. But hopefully people will be more focused on PS3 games given the line-up this year and not think about BC too much.

Maybe Sony should include a $25-$50 voucher for a PS2 (or cost of including BC in the PS3), and keep it out of the PS3. So people who want to get a PS2 can do so relatively expensively while Sony saves money by not including the necessary components in the system. In the long run, I think it'd be a better financial option as there are too few games coming out of the PS2 (and thus, diminishing royalty stream) to justify the cost.

I think Sony should just suck it up and put BC back in. In the next couple of years a lot of PS2 owners will be going to the next round of systems. I'm really pissed that my PS3 doesn't have full BC since my PS2 broke. People say "oh it's not a big deal just play PS3 games" don't seem to take into account what a person is supposed to do with all their old PS2 games. What am I supposed to do with them? Just stare at them on my shelf?

I don't think anyone is dying for a system bundle. I think people want a price drop. All these bundles and different models are completely retarded.

[smiggity]

I think Sony should just suck it up and put BC back in. In the next couple of years a lot of PS2 owners will be going to the next round of systems. I'm really pissed that my PS3 doesn't have full BC since my PS2 broke. People say "oh it's not a big deal just play PS3 games" don't seem to take into account what a person is supposed to do with all their old PS2 games. What am I supposed to do with them? Just stare at them on my shelf?

I don't think anyone is dying for a system bundle. I think people want a price drop. All these bundles and different models are completely retarded.

Get rid of them.

[Blackout]

Get rid of them.

Not happening.

[The Mana Knight]

I think Sony should just suck it up and put BC back in. In the next couple of years a lot of PS2 owners will be going to the next round of systems. I'm really pissed that my PS3 doesn't have full BC since my PS2 broke. People say "oh it's not a big deal just play PS3 games" don't seem to take into account what a person is supposed to do with all their old PS2 games. What am I supposed to do with them? Just stare at them on my shelf? Unfortunately Blackout, Sony is trying to cut their PS3 loses. PS3 consoles are still being sold at a small loss. Adding PS2 BC is NOT free, I repeat, not free, and is actually somewhat costly (They need to add the GS chip along with other PS2 components. Only the EE is emulated). Since no PS2 components are used in the newer PS3 consoles, it also allowed for the main PCB to be reduced (which also saves money). There's PS1 BC because it's a 100% software emulated that requires zero PS1 components to run off of. Until Sony can figure out a solution (if they ever do) for a similar 100% emulator software for PS2 games, all PS3 consoles won't have PS2 BC until they can figure it out (Let's just say, the EE can easily be emulated. It's the GS that's the problem, because it's actually being said to have a higher fill rate than the RSX within the PS3). Sony removed the PS2 BC to get the PS3 within the $400 pricetag (and cutting it actually reduces the cost much more than people think). If Sony never removed it, PS3 would be costing at least $450 right now. Sony is already losing too much money on PS3 and will never bundle a headset, HDMI cable, or even PS2 BC (by putting in some PS2 components) because they are trying to keep PS2 at the $400 pricepoint (WiFi is actually cheaper to implement than PS2 BC, and was placed since PS3 does not currently work with USB devices for WiFi (The firmware team said making USB WiFi adapters work is very difficult). PS2 BC isn't needed to play PS3 games (bluetooth, Blu-ray, Cell + RSX, etc. are needed), which is why it was ripped (and it definitely saved money).

I'm just getting tired over and over again of explaining this. We'd see one of two scenarios right now:
-PS3 with no PS2 BC selling for $400
-PS3 with PS2 BC selling for over $400 (most likely $450. 100% hardware BC is even more).

People already complain PS3 is too expensive, and just adding that is going to make it more expensive. Sony just isn't going to add more features to PS3 and sell at the same price (they switched to an 80GB HDD because the difference between 40GB and 80GB HDDs is $1, and most likely into this year, 40GB HDDs will be more expensive since they need to be ordered special. SIXAXIS is no longer produced and it's just DS3 for now). Howard Stringer isn't too happy about the $3+ Billion losses in the PS division (although loses are way, way less now compared to launch and the 2nd PS3 year), which is why he is NOT letting SCE cut any of the prices regardless of how the competition is doing (He basically wants to see (which is why other SCE Presidents are saying the same thing) until they are profiting on PS3 hardware and can cut the cost to reach a wider range of people. Sony just isn't going to price PS3 very low to stay competitive and lose billions (like MS did with Xbox). One reason FFXIII, Tekken 6, etc. went multi-platform is probably because SCE told them they don't plan to do much to cut the price until hardware cost really cut down. You better bet Stringer would cut the PS Brand off if they continued losing too much money, which is why they are trying to profit on hardware at least even if they come third place in the end. Even if PS3 lacked blu-ray and WiFi, it would still cost more than the 360 produce (PS3 uses pricey components, especially the Cell + RSX). In a way also, if someone only wants to play PS2 games, Sony rather have them buy a PS2 right now anyway, since the profit on every PS2 console sold (while every PS3 console is sold at a loss. If someone buys a PS3 to only play PS2 games, Sony isn't exactly going to make their money back on the console (since most PS2 games out there are used, and very cheap new which Sony doesn't get much cut from). If someone buys a PS3 for blu-rays and/or PS3 games, Sony does get some cut (especially if a first party game and Sony Pictures movie is sold, where most of the profit goes to them).

Also I'll add, while SOME people might be turned off by the lack of PS2 BC (and SCE knows this), they've also gained some people just because they wanted a PS3 for PS3 games and in some cases blu-ray movies, but didn't want to spend over $400 for a game console ever (or couldn't. Some of those people already had a PS2). I know many who jumped on to buy a PS3 because the 40GB was much cheaper (they knew it has no PS2 BC, although SingStar games technically work now in every PS3 SKU, but you need a PS3 SingStar disc). Also, PS3 sales were at its highest when SKUs were available with no PS2 BC (During the months of Jan. 2008 - May 2008, when only the 40GB PS3 was around, PS3 was actually the 2nd highest selling console). All PS3 consoles will never be PS2 BC until:
-Sony Computer Entertainment gets a 100% software emulator working (right now, there's no software emulator that plays every single game without issues. Most PS2 emulators I believe require a very powerful PC to run it). Only way they'd consider putting the GS chip back in is if it were to drop in price way more (although it's towards the bottom of an exponential cost curve most likely) and many PS3 hardware components drop in price greatly.
-PS2 is completely killed off. Right now PS2 still has a market share, and Sony is profiting from it when they buy PS2 hardware and accessories.

http://gamzsonev3.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/bundle.jpg?w=280&h=280
The bundle definitely looks hot. But like I said, it will be Europe only. David Reeves likes doing bundles in Europe for various games as a way to get some people interested in buying a PS3 (without a price-cut since bundling a game is pretty cheap, and most consumers will look at it as getting a $50-$60 game for free). I wonder if they'll still keep the LBP bundle.

[aznguyen316]

PS Nation Podcast Ep. 95 - Killzone 2 Review Code Impressions

"Every expectation I had of this game, was blown away. It's that good. Awesome from beginning to end."

"I love Call of Duty 4. And like I said, that's the one that many people use as the litmus test against other fps. I would take Killzone 2 over COD4 any day of the week".

http://psnation.org/podcast/files/PSNation-Ep95-Gushing%20Paranoia.mp3

Just trying to add more to the already tremendous hype =D

[The Mana Knight]

PS Nation Podcast Ep. 95 - Killzone 2 Review Code Impressions



http://psnation.org/podcast/files/PSNation-Ep95-Gushing%20Paranoia.mp3

Just trying to add more to the already tremendous hype =DAwesome. :D Thanks for posting. I haven't listened to the podcast yet.

[happy]

He doesn't say much except that he loves it. They don't have much embargo experience so I think he was trying to be as vague as possible. This is where the 1up podcasts would have been very useful since they are used to determining what can/can not be said. Hopefully Nick and some of the other rebel fm guys got a copy to talk about next time.

[seanr1221]

Pretty bold to say they'd take CoD4 over it.

I'm still waiting on reviews/user opinions before getting excited though.

[primetime]

I don't see why COD4 has to be the universal benchmark for all FPS. I mean, Killzone 2 is quite a different game than COD4. I actually think that it's unfair to each game to compare them in such a way.

[Maklershed]

I don't see why COD4 has to be the universal benchmark for all FPS.


Well, it is the best console multiplayer FPS. Might as well be the universal benchmark. :lol:

[primetime]

Well, it is the best console multiplayer FPS. Might as well be the universal benchmark. :lol:

Well, yeah I understand it's popular and well received and all that good stuff, but I'm just saying that not all FPS are created in the same style. I don't think COD4 has to be the only game that first person shooters are compared to.

[aznguyen316]

Well before CoD4, there were games being compared to Halo. It goes on and on, people compare because those games before that set the mark. These are great games. Things are often borrowed and we must compare what game. You compare to see how it stacks up. It may be unfair, but that's how things work in terms of the video game market especially.

[smiggity]

Im not so sure it is actually better than COD4. At least the MP, I never played COD4 SP nor will I play KZ2 SP

[zewone]

I'm only buying KZ2 for the SP.

[smiggity]

Why is that? You dont play online?

[hone]

Well, yeah I understand it's popular and well received and all that good stuff, but I'm just saying that not all FPS are created in the same style. I don't think COD4 has to be the only game that first person shooters are compared to.

hmm I agree with prime here. COD4 represents a very specific genre of shooters, from where I come from we call them "CS Clones" because that's what cod4 feels like regardless of how good it is. But there are many different other genres of FPS games like your L4D, TF/2s, Quake/DM/UT3, etc.

[RelentlessRolento]

I'm only buying KZ2 for the SP.


same here, but I'll enjoy the multiplayer for the first month or so at least.

[VipFREAK]

Yeah, this will make up for Socom not having single player offline. That's weak it didn't have it in the first place.

[Blackout]

Unfortunately Blackout, Sony is trying to cut their PS3 loses. PS3 consoles are still being sold at a small loss. Adding PS2 BC is NOT free, I repeat, not free, and is actually somewhat costly (They need to add the GS chip along with other PS2 components. Only the EE is emulated). Since no PS2 components are used in the newer PS3 consoles, it also allowed for the main PCB to be reduced (which also saves money)

I'm just getting tired over and over again of explaining this. We'd see one of two scenarios right now:
-PS3 with no PS2 BC selling for $400
-PS3 with PS2 BC selling for over $400 (most likely $450. 100% hardware BC is even more).

.

Then don't. You don't need to type out a book every time someone criticizes Sony. Frankly I don't care if they're losing money. They have the money to spend on dumb shit like Home, Qore, movie store, internet browser etc. That's stuff that's IMO is a complete waste. Now I know it's not all on the hardware side of things, but still. All that stuff isn't free right? They're obviously spending money to make sure all that stuff gets out there. I'm not exactly sure how much, and mostl liley that point is invalid, but still. I would at least like to think they could try to put BC back in.

I'm not excited for the Killzone MP. I'm more looking forward to the single player. From what I've seen it looks pretty epic. I'm not going to get my hopes up though.

[imascrub]

i am considering getting this game, though I'm not much of a fps guy, just cuz it looks fuckin beautiful lol. I bought Resistance and only played a few missions of it before selling it, but man...watchin the CES videos got me pumped up.

[aznguyen316]

I'm excited for both, although I know I'll play MP much more, prob do my usual one-run through the SP.

[zewone]

Why is that? You dont play online?

Not on PSN, no.

[The Mana Knight]

Then don't. You don't need to type out a book every time someone criticizes Sony. Frankly I don't care if they're losing money. They have the money to spend on dumb shit like Home, Qore, movie store, internet browser etc.

That's stuff that's IMO is a complete waste. Now I know it's not all on the hardware side of things, but still. All that stuff isn't free right? They're obviously spending money to make sure all that stuff gets out there. I'm not exactly sure how much, and mostl liley that point is invalid, but still. I would at least like to think they could try to put BC back in.
Adding Home, Qore, and movie store makes them money, because people are paying for it (well, Home is a free service, but Sony makes money (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/12/23/home-items-selling-like-hotcakes/) from the clothes and other things people buy. They also receive money from advertisements within Home). Sony has already made quite a bit of money just over that. Qore makes them money since people are paying. Movie Store makes them money because people are paying for downloads. PS2 BC costs money to implement and they don't get any money back. Web Browser is an easy add which didn't require any special hardware component to implement (which PS2 BC does require). Let's say for an example implementing PS2 BC costs $30 (and they priced PS3 at $400). Multiply 5 million consoles sold by $30, and that's an extra $150 million in loses. None of the things you mentioned cost anywhere near that much combined, and you can actually make profit back on each thing (PS2 BC you cannot, unless everyone was buying tons and tons of brand new PS2 games to make up for it). If there was already a PS2 BC software emulator out which works well on PS3 and doesn't require a single PS2 component, then it could be added (but right now they aren't there yet. I would not be surprised if Sony was working on it). I guarantee SCE didn't really want to remove PS2 BC and do the same thing they did last gen (Fat PS2 required some PS1 components for BC. Slim PS2 was 100% software emulation for PS1 BC), but with tough competition, pressure from the CEO of Sony Corp. to decrease loses, along with being pressed to get a PS3 at $400, it was removed (if things were going better for PS3 early on, it probably wouldn't have been cut, but PS3 would have been priced higher).

You need to care about Sony losing money because if they were losing a lot of money, Howard Stringer is likely going to cut off Sony Computer Entertainment and the PS Brand (meaning your $500 PS3 purchase would go wasted), meaning you might never see another Uncharted and other games they publish. Sony's situation is very different from MS. MS can deal with loses in the gaming division due to having almost a monopoly in the OS market (where they continue bringing in large profits from that). Sony has tough competition in every market where they could gain money, or lose it at any time, which is why they have to keep the PS Brand a profitable business, and Stringer is heavily pressuring SCE to make it profitable. Now the main reason I replied to your post not because I'm tired of you cricizing Sony on anything, it's because I know very well Sony isn't going to add pricey features to the console (which aren't 100% software related) and sell it at the same price, unless PS3 hardware costs decrease greatly, and I mean greatly (which is why like I said, they'll never bundle an HDMI cable, headset, ethernet cable (new PS3 consoles don't come with it), etc. with a PS3, in order to save money, kind of like how MS doesn't include WiFi and other things with the 360 to save money).

Anyway, back to KZ2, I'll probably play single player, but I'm mostly looking forward to multi-player. I mostly enjoy playing games online, so I should enjoy it. I look for it being my competitive time multiplayer (while R2 is my co-op multiplayer). R2 for an example, while I enjoyed the single player (I will admit it had flaws and it was very short), I enjoyed playing it online way more (it was fantastic). Same thing applied for other FPS like CoD4. I need to get into Halo online though, since I mostly played that single player (mostly because I tried to play it online, but it wasn't updating for some weird reason in H2).

[RelentlessRolento]

I do hope multiplayer holds up though, since the last FPS to hold my interest in online multiplayer was Team Fortress 2.

[Blackout]

Adding Home, Qore, and movie store makes them money, because people are paying for it (well, Home is a free service, but Sony makes money (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/12/23/home-items-selling-like-hotcakes/) from the clothes and other things people buy. They also receive money from advertisements within Home). Sony has already made quite a bit of money just over that. Qore makes them money since people are paying. Movie Store makes them money because people are paying for downloads. PS2 BC costs money to implement and they don't get any money back. Web Browser is an easy add which didn't require any special hardware component to implement (which PS2 BC does require). Let's say for an example implementing PS2 BC costs $30 (and they priced PS3 at $400). Multiply 5 million consoles sold by $30, and that's an extra $150 million in loses. None of the things you mentioned cost anywhere near that much combined, and you can actually make profit back on each thing (PS2 BC you cannot, unless everyone was buying tons and tons of brand new PS2 games to make up for it). If there was already a PS2 BC software emulator out which works well on PS3 and doesn't require a single PS2 component, then it could be added (but right now they aren't there yet. I would not be surprised if Sony was working on it). I guarantee SCE didn't really want to remove PS2 BC and do the same thing they did last gen (Fat PS2 required some PS1 components for BC. Slim PS2 was 100% software emulation for PS1 BC), but with tough competition, pressure from the CEO of Sony Corp. to decrease loses, along with being pressed to get a PS3 at $400, it was removed (if things were going better for PS3 early on, it probably wouldn't have been cut, but PS3 would have been priced higher).

You need to care about Sony losing money because if they were losing a lot of money, Howard Stringer is likely going to cut off Sony Computer Entertainment and the PS Brand (meaning your $500 PS3 purchase would go wasted), meaning you might never see another Uncharted and other games they publish.



Yeah I figured those things were making money. Still. I didn't ask for any of those features. I doubt most people buying a PS3 are looking for those features either. It's a video game system first, everything else second. I didn't buy a PS3 to download movies or watch a virtual magazine. Home just seems like a waste of time that has zero to do with games. I still got hope for it, but at this point, it just seems like a way for Sony to sell lame virtual clothes to suckers.

I highly doubt the PS brand is going anywhere. If it does, so be it. My $500 PS3 purchase won't go to waste because 1) Sony isn't going anywhere and 2) by the time it happens, PS3 will be at the end of its' cycle. I'm sure if the PS brand did die, Naughty Dog and others would find a nice home somewhere else, so I'm not too worried.



I do hope multiplayer holds up though, since the last FPS to hold my interest in online multiplayer was Team Fortress 2.

I hope there's not huge problems with the online. It seems like for a month or two after a game is released there are still problems with the online component. I really haven't looked into the multiplayer but if it turns out to be good I'll definitely check it out.

[Ecofreak]

Yeah I figured those things were making money. Still. I didn't ask for any of those features. I doubt most people buying a PS3 are looking for those features either. It's a video game system first, everything else second. I didn't buy a PS3 to download movies or watch a virtual magazine. Home just seems like a waste of time that has zero to do with games. I still got hope for it, but at this point, it just seems like a way for Sony to sell lame virtual clothes to suckers.

You never know how good something is until it's arrived, and how important it is until it's gone.

I agree with you that Home is a product that makes many consumers go :-k, even those who are Sony fanatics. But after seeing the demo of the EA Sports arena (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/09/the-ea-sports-home-space-is-actually-pretty-awesome/), I am starting to see some great potential as a way to build brand loyalty and market products outside of traditional media (websites, print, videos, etc) in a more cost-effective manner.

And for the movie downloading/renting program, I also thought I'd never use it. But after renting from Red Box ($1/day until returned) and getting annoyed w/ the hassle of returning to my grocery store (thereby spending sometimes $5-6 and stressing over it), I am looking forward to using the Video Store as an alternative. The movie will be downloaded by the time dinner is eaten and cleaned up.

Only after consumers give the many capabilities of the PS3 a chance do they understand its value. Sony's been listening them since the system's birth, but being able to effectively communicate is so hard when people have no frame of reference to build on.

[Thomas96]

Just because you're not excited about Killzone's MP, doesn't mean that you won't end up enjoying it. I'm looking forward to both, becuase for this game to be a success, SP and MP has to be good. Killzone needs to be good all around, or else people will try to dismiss it.

[gunm]

KZ2 is looking to have the level of spit and polish that (IMO) was missing from R2.

I'm pretty hype for this to come out next month:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44238.html

[Ecofreak]

KZ2 is looking to have the level of spit and polish that (IMO) was missing from R2.

I'm pretty hype for this to come out next month:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44238.html

Considering how much longer KZ2 has been in production compared to R2, I would certainly hope so.

[gunm]

Longer dev time certainly doesn't hurt, but it surely doesn't guarantee a better game by any means.

My comment was mostly based on my opinion (as loosely based on "facts" as possible) that KZ2 looks like it is going to be the FPS that R2 should've been.

[Vanigan]

R2 needed about 3-6 months more of development time to do more focus group testing on the single-player. As it stands, I'm pretty sure it was rushed out the door to meet the Holiday shopping season. After all, Sony needed some sort of exclusive shooter this year.

[VipFREAK]

To this day I still don't get the hype of R and even more so for R2, it doesn't bring anything new to FPS... It's not even a game worth playing and I don't get why people praise it.

[Maklershed]

It wasn't the greatest FPS (R2) but it was certainly fun.

[Thomas96]

To this day I still don't get the hype of R and even more so for R2, it doesn't bring anything new to FPS... It's not even a game worth playing and I don't get why people praise it.

Resistance 1 and 2 have intense action, on and offline, that's what makes it good to me.

[VipFREAK]

You mean, lots of white bursts coming at you, but no matter what you do you can't hit the source of where those burst are coming from?

yeah... that's not intense Action. lool

[Ecofreak]

To this day I still don't get the hype of R and even more so for R2, it doesn't bring anything new to FPS... It's not even a game worth playing and I don't get why people praise it.

I'm a big fan of the online co-op. It's a lot of fun doing runs w/ the CAG Clan. Most enjoyable online experience I've had in quite a while (outside of WoW, which I quit almost one year ago).

[aznguyen316]

You mean, lots of white bursts coming at you, but no matter what you do you can't hit the source of where those burst are coming from?

yeah... that's not intense Action. lool

Both are great games. I like the weapons a lot, they're new/refreshing and fun. The SP of R1 was superb and R2's SP wasn't bad either. the Coop is even more intense than the SP I think. It's a different feel from other coop games I've played. Good fun, I hated R1 at first, but casual difficulty helps you ease into it =D

[happy]

To this day I still don't get the hype of R and even more so for R2, it doesn't bring anything new to FPS... It's not even a game worth playing and I don't get why people praise it.

Co-op says hello (for R2 at least, I never played 1). I'm still sad there's no co-op in KZ.

[FriskyTanuki]

R2 needed about 3-6 months more of development time to do more focus group testing on the single-player. As it stands, I'm pretty sure it was rushed out the door to meet the Holiday shopping season. After all, Sony needed some sort of exclusive shooter this year.
I think Insomniac wanted it out for the holidays more than Sony needed it out there. They're yearly schedule wasn't what R2 needed. It would've been nice to see them push it and maybe push out one or two more of the Quest for Booty-style adventures in that timeframe.

[dallow]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/iceatcs/Games/KillzownedWTFace.gif

[Vanigan]

That's just hilarious dallow.

[Maklershed]

That kid on the right looks like he's thinking "I need to re-evaluate my life".

[pete5883]

You mean, lots of white bursts coming at you, but no matter what you do you can't hit the source of where those burst are coming from?

yeah... that's not intense Action. lool
Did you never realize that you had a gun that shoots through walls? And that shooting at a wall with a white burst had a good chance of hitting the source of the burst?

[VipFREAK]

Yay, so did other games.

[Blackout]

To this day I still don't get the hype of R and even more so for R2, it doesn't bring anything new to FPS... It's not even a game worth playing and I don't get why people praise it.

Not every game that comes out needs to be revolutionary. The Resistance games have been quality titles. I'm a fanboy for the series so I'm probably biased, but they're not terrible games. The online is fast paced and lots of fun. And Resistance 1 had hype? Are you kidding me? Everyone shits all over that game. I think the Resistance series gets easily dismissed because the games happen to be on the PS3.

[ChiefsFan21]

I put down my pre-order today. Can't wait (44 Days)

[Maklershed]

:whee:

:twoguns:

[seanr1221]

Whens the demo go live?

[primetime]

Feb. 5

[seanr1221]

That's a long way away.

[zizo79]

after playing the beta...I will have to say that this game will be one of the best FS game ever made ..(if not the first)..anyone agree ?

[Ecofreak]

The Official Xbox Blog (http://blog.360magazine.co.uk/uncategorized/competition-check-killzone-edition/) in the UK has a preview, read below for their impressions...

Naturally, I asked for it to be put on, and twenty minutes of beautiful, gritty, heavy gunplay later, I’m back to post my impressions. It’s good. Really good in fact. this is the genre that has belonged to the 360 since its inception, but it finally looks like Sony has an Ace in its deck. Visually, Killzone 2 is quite something - besting even Gears 2 in the motion-blurred grey battleground stakes, and the weight and purpose of everyting from the weapons to the characters is somethign to behold. Most importantly, though, it’s really satisfying to play. The enemy AI, coupled with a well implemented cover system (unusual for an FPS) means Killzone 2’s skirmishes are uniquely challenging and gratifyingly meaty.

Of course, the key to success in this genre is variety, and having only seen a snippet of the opening mission, it’s hard to judge whether Killzone 2 will switch up its speed and set pieces enough to enter the Pantheon of truly great shooters. But for a first impression - wow. Halo ODST has a lot to live up to.

Simply Fantastic. Glad to hear the AI is up to snuff.

Also, new video from Gametrailers.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44354.html?type=flv

[RelentlessRolento]

here's a direct feed of one of the cam trailers.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44316.html

[aznguyen316]

nice vid, but that was posted like a page or two ago =) still one of my favs either way so maybe others can see it again haha

[mykee98]

Wow a positive impression from xbox uk blog. Just wow....

[wowzors]

CE has been confirmed to not be in production or planned on the PS blog :(.

[Vanigan]

Eh, those things are a bit pointless.

But, if you guys want, I can sculpt some helghast and ISA figures for you out of sculpey.

[Breakpoint]

Why does Europe get a demo release when US has to wait so long. Its BS Gamestop gets it first!

[VipFREAK]

Haven't received my code yet... not that it matters.

[FriskyTanuki]

Why does Europe get a demo release when US has to wait so long. Its BS Gamestop gets it first!
That would be best since anyone in the US can just create a UK account to get it versus pre-ordering it here.

[Maklershed]

Frisky is post 666 :evil:

[aznguyen316]

can I get a link about EU getting a demo? is this confirmed? thanks, since I already have a UK acct.

[FriskyTanuki]

http://kotaku.com/5124954/europe-still-gets-a-free-killzone-2-demo

[help1]

Awesome! This was one of the premiere reasons I bought my PS3, so I am pumped.

[aznguyen316]

http://kotaku.com/5124954/europe-still-gets-a-free-killzone-2-demo

thank you Frisky, now we're assuming the EU demo release to be the same as the USA access of Feb 5th? I didn't see a release date in the article, just Feb.

[FriskyTanuki]

No, just hopeful.

[Maklershed]

Uh oh, I'm sensing a brawl between Shrapnellistic and TMK

*goes for the popcorn*

[Thongsy]

Hmmm.

Pass me some popcorn also. *watches in anticipation*

[primetime]

Give us your pitches.

What can each of you offer as clan leader? :)

[smiggity]

All I know is that whomever leads this shit better be able to compete online. It has in-game tournaments and clan ranking system. So they should be on top of it and enter us in the clan tournaments and be able to hold their own.

[Ecofreak]

All I know is that whomever leads this shit better be able to compete online. It has in-game tournaments and clan ranking system. So they should be on top of it and enter us in the clan tournaments and be able to hold their own.

QFT. Given that we may have Shrapnellistic and ManaKnight interested in leading the clan, I propose we have a main and sub-captain. Can we grant two people such privileges in game?

I haven't had the pleasure of working with Shrapnellistic, but ManaKnight has my vote of confidence given my experience w/ him. Although I am sure either would be spectacular.

Baking me cookies also earns you bonus points w/ me, just an FYI.

[Maklershed]

What if we have two different KZ2 nights hosted by two different people. Saturday night and .... ?

Either that or a CAG Meet Up and a fight to the death.

[Ecofreak]

[QUOTE=Maklershed;5376723]Either that or a CAG Meet Up and a fight to the death./QUOTE]

I'd definitely bring popcorn for that.

[primetime]

QFT. Given that we may have Shrapnellistic and ManaKnight interested in leading the clan, I propose we have a main and sub-captain. Can we grant two people such privileges in game?

I haven't had the pleasure of working with Shrapnellistic, but ManaKnight has my vote of confidence given my experience w/ him. Although I am sure either would be spectacular.

Baking me cookies also earns you bonus points w/ me, just an FYI.

I watched a CES video the other day, and I definitely remember a dev mentioning the ability to assign "officers" as one of the clan features. He also said there would be full clan support on their website with the ability to coordinate, send invites, and all that good stuff. The clan features in this game appear pretty solid, so whoever decides to take on the task of leading the clan should be pretty well on top of things, like smiggity said.

[Maklershed]

Megagamers.com review is up:

http://item.slide.com/r/1/13/i/pRnVSe2Y7z94AZG7oc_8gDeD_vnyOYD4/

(image via gaf)

[aznguyen316]

awesome, pretty vague, but the overall blurb sounds awesome, ranking among Half Life? really? wowser

[The Mana Knight]

All I know is that whomever leads this shit better be able to compete online. It has in-game tournaments and clan ranking system. So they should be on top of it and enter us in the clan tournaments and be able to hold their own.The main reason I was considering leading Killzone 2 because most people just cannot get as many people to play as I can. Just look at Warhawk, CoD4, and many other games I lead, compared to games I did not lead (GTAIV and UT3 haven't done so bad). I have the top organization skills and will constantly keep everything updated. Although some may think I'm only about having fun, but they should see me at R2 (I really don't joke around in that). I also have one of the larger buddy list size, and I'm usually the one who pretty much gets other people to play (I cannot count how many times that whatever game I decide to play, a good chunk of my PSN buddies follow).

Shrapnellistic still has to go through me though (since I have the OP of the CAG PSN Gaming Group thread and can work with moving many nights/times around). ;)

I'm already thinking the CAG Clan will probably have to be split up anyway. If that's the case, we'll divide.
I'm probably going to replace my administration over TF2 CAG Nights with Killzone 2 CAG Nights, the multiplayer in Kz2 has its influences from TF2 and CoD4:MW which are both "win".

What night do you guys want?Still continue with TF2. It can just be a little side game. I usually administer around 3-5 nights myself at once, so it's not bad.

[manthing]

Why don't you focus your priorities on getting a job instead?

[The Mana Knight]

Why don't you focus your priorities on getting a job instead?I'm doing that too. Things have been going up in that regard. ;)

Anyway, CAG nights I'm guessing will be on Saturday for the weekend day (I'll push R2 to even earlier on Saturday). On a weekday I'm not really sure because:
-I kind of hate pushing UT3 out and Crash Commando has a decent userbase for Monday.
-Warhawk is STILL very successful on Friday with 10-17 showing up), plus Friday night tends to be the worst time for people I know.
-Tuesday is SOCOM and MotorStorm: PR. Neither is really huge atm, but I rather not have them changed yet (but if people want to play on Tuesdau, I can see about moving MotorStorm: PR around).
-Wednesday is jampacked with GTA4 and R2 at the same time (both getting pretty good attendance). R2 can have anywhere from 6-12, and the party only goes to 8. But they don't start until 10pm EST.
-Thursday only has CoD: WaW, and unfortunately, hasn't been too successful yet. TF2 is early. If people would be willing to play later on Thursday, Killzone 2 can get that spot, and I'd just see about trying to find a better day for WaW (talk with Kube00 and neverletthem) so hopefully they can benefit too.

I'll have a chat with Shrapnellistic sometime.

[bornrunnin31]

do it thursday

[RelentlessRolento]

game will rock

[whoknows]

I've sort of been ignoring this game, but my interest level has sky-rocketed.

The cover system looks great as well. It's probably something that's going to be copied in future FPS games.

[Serpentor]

So, um, is there a collector or limited edition for Killzone 2?

[smiggity]

Ill probably just start my own clan then. Any competitive people are free to join.

[blueweltall]

So, um, is there a collector or limited edition for Killzone 2?

No, there's only one awesome version coming.

[NamPaehc]

Will the CAG nights be clan members only? I ask because I'm considering finding another clan, but coming to CAG nights when I can too.

[blueweltall]

If there is one I want in!

[Thongsy]

Ill probably just start my own clan then. Any competitive people are free to join.

Oh no, now we got three groups. Actually I was going to nominate you for leader also and see how this tug-o-war goes. After finally getting burnt out on MGO and getting rid of it, I need a new game to play.

[smiggity]

Will the CAG nights be clan members only? I ask because I'm considering finding another clan, but coming to CAG nights when I can too.

Regardless of who the leader is the CAG nights are open to all CAG members, whether they are in the CAG clan or not.

Oh no, now we got three groups. Actually I was going to nominate you for leader also and see how this tug-o-war goes. After finally getting burnt out on MGO and getting rid of it, I need a new game to play.

I really don't care. I just know that there are some other competitive shooter players here and I would have no problem heading that group up. The in-game tournaments and Valor system really appeal to me.

[The Mana Knight]

Ill probably just start my own clan then. Any competitive people are free to join.I was thinking of you and Shrapnellistic being together, since you two are a bit more on the competitive side (don't really care for noobs, care more for stats and so on).

I'd mostly run a group for the medium core and more casual people. Well basically, those who more so care about having fun, not being the top of the leaderboards and whatnot. With my group, there's no denying we'll still be somewhat competitive (kind of like I treat R2. I wouldn't treat KZ2 like I do Warhawk or Burnout Paradise though), but we'd more so be for noobs and getting some people into KZ2 early. Once some advance, they can move onto the other clan if they want (basically, a good clan for some to get into first if they are new to KZ2, like if someone buys the game in May).

[Maklershed]

:twoguns:

[ju421019]

anyone know any pre-order threads on this? I have credit at playntrade i need to use up and i believe they match competitors like gamespot,etc.

[Maklershed]

$56.99 on Amazon (and no tax of course)

[aznguyen316]

^^ unless your in KS and prob Kentucky they'll have tax. I used to live in KS and tax sucked but now in FL, no tax via amazon makes me an amazon whore, it's true =D

I got KZ2 in my gold box so it'll be like $54.xx shipped prime. awesome!!

[Ecofreak]

I was thinking of you and Shrapnellistic being together, since you two are a bit more on the competitive side (don't really care for noobs, care more for stats and so on).

I'd mostly run a group for the medium core and more casual people. Well basically, those who more so care about having fun, not being the top of the leaderboards and whatnot. With my group, there's no denying we'll still be somewhat competitive (kind of like I treat R2. I wouldn't treat KZ2 like I do Warhawk or Burnout Paradise though), but we'd more so be for noobs and getting some people into KZ2 early. Once some advance, they can move onto the other clan if they want (basically, a good clan for some to get into first if they are new to KZ2, like if someone buys the game in May).

Well, color me conflicted. I love playing w/ CAG on a "when I'm free" basis. I'm also really curious to try Killzone 2 in a competitive fashion, but not sure how much time I can put into "practicing." I enjoy playing games the most when I don't consider it a chore (I'm looking at you, World of Warcraft).

If we are going to have a competitive & casual clan then the respective leaders would need to begin drafting out their "mission statements/scopes" so there is little ambiguity between them, particularly the competitive clan so everyone knows the requirements even before release. This way, the competitive clan can hit the ground running and really represent CAG and no one asking "But what about this...?" or "Will X hours/week be enough?"

'Course, I may be taking this too seriously (yay my engineering background).

Put me down for interested in the competitive clan, pending further details.

[smiggity]

I was thinking of you and Shrapnellistic being together, since you two are a bit more on the competitive side (don't really care for noobs, care more for stats and so on).

I'd mostly run a group for the medium core and more casual people. Well basically, those who more so care about having fun, not being the top of the leaderboards and whatnot. With my group, there's no denying we'll still be somewhat competitive (kind of like I treat R2. I wouldn't treat KZ2 like I do Warhawk or Burnout Paradise though), but we'd more so be for noobs and getting some people into KZ2 early. Once some advance, they can move onto the other clan if they want (basically, a good clan for some to get into first if they are new to KZ2, like if someone buys the game in May).

That is a good idea

[KingBroly]

The Complete Trophy List:

http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/killzone-2/trophies/

52 Total Trophies
1 Platinum
3 Gold
4 Silver
42 Bronze (10 of which are Hidden)

[Zyzomys]

In my opinion, people should not be playing online without a headset! I cannot stand playing online with people who cannot talk. I am not much for small talk but there are times when a person needs to speak up - like when a team member is down and is calling for support, or to warn someone that they are being flanked.

You can put me down for the non-competitive clan.

[Thongsy]

I don't actually know how these tourneys are set up or anything yet, so I'm really still undecided. I probably won't look into it any till the game is released.

[aznguyen316]

sweet, I'll prob be in TMK's group. I am serious about my online gaming, but I am not really great so that brings me down lol. I have a headset though =) one thing is I plan to get KZ2 on day one, BUT prob won't get online until I beat the SP mode, so that'll be a week max.. =D

[Maklershed]

Possibly a stupid question, but since we're talking about them ... is there a headset available like for the 360? I hate my bluetooth thing (came with Warhawk).

[The Mana Knight]

Possibly a stupid question, but since we're talking about them ... is there a headset available like for the 360? I hate my bluetooth thing (came with Warhawk).Well, if you don't mind the wired (no PS3 headset will work like the 360 one, since the controllers lack the port), you can get a controller the blogs into a PS3 USB port. The quality is excellent too for most USB headsets.

[Maklershed]

Hmmm, I dont like the idea of a big wire tethering me to the console, but I think it'll probably be worth it for me. Do you have a link (preferably Amazon) to what you're talking about? Do you own one personally?

[Thongsy]

Well any bluetooth works on the PS3. I'm sure you can find one that you'll like much better than the Jabra 125. Most people probably hated that thing, it always fell out of my ear.

[primetime]

My buddy loves the official Sony hesdset. It sounds really clear too.

[smiggity]

Official headset is the best wireless headset for PS3 hands down

[aznguyen316]

Official headset is the best wireless headset for PS3 hands down

agreed, so simple to set up, it's designed with the XMB OS in mind, fits great, sounds great, easy to charge. worth the money with or without socom bundle. but I say get the socom bundle either way and sell off etc.

[RelentlessRolento]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G516I4EmTX4

click for HD

[aznguyen316]

^ thanks.. noice!!

[Frogurt.man]

:drool::drool::drool:

[tenchi]

I'll probably in the casual group. Currently I'm using my PS3eye as my mic, Hopefully I'll have enough money to get the game and the bluetooh headset next month.

[blueweltall]

Yeah I think I'll be in the casual group too. I got school and work on the weekdays but I'm mostly free on the weekends.

So how about KZ2 night on Saturday? It'll just be like the COD4 night.

[The Mana Knight]

Yeah I think I'll be in the casual group too. I got school and work on the weekdays but I'm mostly free on the weekends.

So how about KZ2 night on Saturday? It'll just be like the COD4 night.I also run R2 nights on Saturday, which is still doing pretty good at the moment (and it's on Wednesday). I'm just debating how I'll divide both games time wise (both will go on), and then still have Warhawk at 11pm EST. One will probably be in the afternoon while the other will get the evening. KZ2 will most likely be Saturday because I'm already busy with Burnout + Buzz on Sunday.

[silks]

TMK, put me down for the casual group. I got a headset, you know how I do.

I hope to move up to the competitive group, but it'll really depend on how much I enjoy the game. Resistance 2 is still an ongoing project for me. ;-)

[RelentlessRolento]

I might be up for casual as well..

[wowzors]

I'd love to join one of these clans, im used to the talking and stuff since cs 1.3-1.6 and css set me up for that.

[DarkNessBear]

Really want to play this game!

[Maklershed]

TMK, please make KZ2 casual night on Saturdays. :pray:

[dallow]

I need to get the official headset too, gotta have a mute button.

[Ecofreak]

I need to get the official headset too, gotta have a mute button.

To mute yourself or people in game?

[Maklershed]

http://i39.tinypic.com/osbvjn.gif

[Ecofreak]

DO A BARREL ROLL!!!

http://i41.tinypic.com/9ghdds.gif

What's also interesting is the guy not doing the barrel roll. He sees the grenade, but then "realizes" there are bullets flying at him from behind so he turns around. Where's a poor grunt to go?

[aznguyen316]

To mute yourself or people in game?

headset mutes yourself. I use this a lot b/c my gf likes to talk to me when I play games lol

[NamPaehc]

I want to take Cheapy D's dog tag...


8-)

[ratzombie]

I want to take Cheapy D's dog tag...


8-)
Killzone 2 is going to be on the 360? :lol:

[RelentlessRolento]

I forget, does cheapy even own a PS3?

[Maklershed]

Indeed he does.

[The Mana Knight]

Killzone 2 is going to be on the 360? :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

Anyway, the .gifs are sweet. :D They definitely have me pumped.

[RelentlessRolento]

Indeed he does.


time for me to send a friend request so I can bug him.

[Maklershed]

His list is full. :cry:

You can send me one though. :)

[RelentlessRolento]

if you send me one I'll confirm it. I've got so many people on my list I need to start deleting.

[NamPaehc]

Yeah the reason I mentioned Mr. CheapyD was because I know he enjoys playing with his friends on the box a lot. Which Yukine picked up on right away... I just wonder if Killzone 2 might be a game that we see him scurrying around online with his PS3 a bit.

[Richlough]

I got my demo code , add me if you want .

*EDIT* I guess aou guys are talking about the beta .

When can demo codes be redeemable ?

[FriskyTanuki]

February 5.

I noticed that somebody on my friends list has played KZ2, as he has trophies from whatever build of the game that he's had for a few weeks now. I does wish some harm upon him.

[Richlough]

February 5.

I noticed that somebody on my friends list has played KZ2, as he has trophies from whatever build of the game that he's had for a few weeks now. I does wish some harm upon him.

Cool , that means the code I have has not been used like I thought it may have been .
Fuckin' Gamstop employees .

[FriskyTanuki]

Nah, it'll just keep saying it doesn't work or whatever it says until it's on the PS Store server to download.

[Serpentor]

Just pre-ordered from Neweggs for $57... free shipping and no tax for me (Amazon charges NY taxes). Also, with ebates.com, you're getting another $1.14 back. Done deal, i want those trophies right now!

[Maklershed]

Ok, I'm gonna order this headset in preparation for KZ2:

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Logitech-Vantage-USB-Headset-2/dp/B00008KXG5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1232472207&sr=1-1

[dallow]

I just bought the official BT headset from Sony. (30% off CC)

Sound quality is alright with the warhawk one, and though my USB mic sounds really good, I hate cords.

The official set has a HQ audio mode for games that support it, and KZ2 does.
Oh, and mute. (yes, to mute myself, as people talk to me in the room as I play)

[smiggity]

I just bought the official BT headset from Sony. (30% off CC)

Sound quality is alright with the warhawk one, and though my USB mic sounds really good, I hate cords.

The official set has a HQ audio mode for games that support it, and KZ2 does.
Oh, and mute. (yes, to mute myself, as people talk to me in the room as I play)


Great choice! Best mic out there for the PS3 just for the simple fact of the notifications that pop up when muting/changing volume whatever. Socom is the only game with HQ right now, and it is noticeably better than most PS3 games. And I had no idea that KZ2 was supporting it, thats great news. Hopefully it makes the proximity chat better b/c I was not a huge fan of it in the beta.

[seanr1221]

What's HQ audio mode? :-s

I never noticed it in Socom.

[Vanigan]

It uses the PS3's processing power to analyze and filter out background noise and amplify the voice coming from the headset. If you use the PS3 headset with other things, you'll notice a slight, but distinct drop in quality.

[Blackout]

What's HQ audio mode? :-s

I never noticed it in Socom.

Yeah I wanna know too. I'm getting sick of the Warhawk headset. I'm probably gonna pick up the new one.

[seanr1221]

Looks like you have to pair it up using the USB for it to work.

[gunm]

Opening Cinemah!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44579.html

[Richlough]

Makes you wish yhou bought the Tom Clancy EndWar bundle for $49.99 when it was on sale at Target .

It uses the PS3's processing power to analyze and filter out background noise and amplify the voice coming from the headset. If you use the PS3 headset with other things, you'll notice a slight, but distinct drop in quality.

Where did you hear that ?

[Foo228]

Just saw some trailers and the opening cinema on GT. Damn, this game is looking good!

I don't know about a day one purchase, but if it's $40 right around launch I'll be picking it up.