E3 Thread

[FriskyTanuki]

Killzone 2!

[nativetongue88]

they didnt even show any actual gameplay for gt4

[hootie]

Killzone

[deadite76]

Killzone!!

[SpreadTheWord]

Realtime version of the same trailer?

[Zoglog]

Killzone kind of spoiled by yesterday. Wouldve been more exciting to have announced it here :)

[nativetongue88]

he just said shithead haha

[hootie]

Old'd?

[seanr1221]

The zoomed in gun detail is amazing.

[Zoglog]

oh sweet it's more gameplay than the trailer! sweet.

[SpreadTheWord]

looks like Call of Duty 4: Future.

[hootie]

Oh snap!

[Dr Mario Kart]

It looks like the last 15 minutes really won it for them with some real exclusives. The first 1/3rd was almost entirely talking about features and functionality. the middle 1/3 was covering games that didnt distinguish them from the 360. This is the list they covered Pre-MGS4:

Haze, UT3, CoD4, Assasin's Creed, Kane & Lynch, RE5, Burnout Paradise, Madden 08, Harry Potter, The Simpons, GH3, MoH: Airborne, Rock Band.

They did well by not letting the release date limit what they showed, and could show a lot more.

Pop Quiz: How many RPGs did they show?

I give it a B- overall, with MS and Nintendo both getting C+

[Zoglog]

Gonna need the HD Trailer to see the immense detail in this game....

[sallyballs]

THe sound on this game is freakin amazing too...gonna be sick with a decent home theater system.

[LinkinPrime]

Killzone looks good, but why does last years "real time footage" look better than this years real time footage ;)

Honestly though, game looks good, reminds me of Gears of War without the cover, but Gears of War looks a lot better.

[SpreadTheWord]

this is closing in on Gears of War impressive.

[NamPaehc]

:shock::shock::shock: That should shut everyone up!

[RelentlessRolento]

wow... i saw the other killzone trailer... but this one was amazing... fuck yeah

[moonknight25]

Sony fucking owned this E3 easily. I want that new PSP as well!!

[alexjs2913]

rumble???/ anyone?????

[LinkinPrime]

Here's my rankings for these conferences:

#1 Microsoft & Sony (tie)
#3 Nintendo

[Zoglog]

Gonna be a good time for PS3 and Xbox 360 Owners all around. :D

[NamPaehc]

Come on Sony, update the PS store.

[RelentlessRolento]

well best press conf out of the three... way way waay better.

Killzone trailer on PSN at 6pm EST.

[SpreadTheWord]

:clap: they did just want MS did last year. Games Games Games. Great games for now and the future. I really don't know why MS didn't blow the lid off of 08 games but it really cost them.

[dallow]

Which KZ2 trailer is PSN getting?

And Linkin! MS tied with Sony?!?!

Hehe, guess I should expect that.

[Scorch]

Yeah. I don't feel so hesitant on getting a PS3 anymore.

[RelentlessRolento]

Here's my rankings for these conferences:

#1 Microsoft & Sony (tie)
#3 Nintendo


I don't see how MSs could be any good at all with that horrible opening and bland announcements.

[Zoglog]

Here's my rankings for these conferences:

#1 Microsoft & Sony (tie)
#3 Nintendo

I love Halo 3 to death but there is no fucking way they tied lol.... Sony actually announced NEW exciting things.

but linkin prime is a 360 fanboy.. so that's the skew.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Here's my rankings for these conferences:

#1 Microsoft & Sony (tie)
#3 Nintendo

I'm sorry but Sony killed Microsoft when it comes to new IP announcements. The "me too" section of the PS3 conference had me doubting but the last third was a Sony knockout.

Just drop the 60 Gig to $399, Sony, and we have a deal. ;)

[-Never4ever-]

It looks like the last 15 minutes really won it for them with some real exclusives. The first 1/3rd was almost entirely talking about features and functionality. the middle 1/3 was covering games that didnt distinguish them from the 360. This is the list they covered Pre-MGS4:

Haze, UT3, CoD4, Assasin's Creed, Kane & Lynch, RE5, Burnout Paradise, Madden 08, Harry Potter, The Simpons, GH3, MoH: Airborne, Rock Band.

They did well by not letting the release date limit what they showed, and could show a lot more.

Pop Quiz: How many RPGs did they show?

I give it a B- overall, with MS and Nintendo both getting C+

Eh, it was a solid effort that was way too bogged down in the first two thirds, but I'll agree the last 1/3 made up for it. If I were to use your grading system, Sony gets a B-, Nintendo gets a C+ and M$ gets a solid B.

All three were decent, but not great. This is okay for M$, because they're still chugging aloug, leader of the pack, and Nintendo could have had no presence at E3 at all and still come out #1 by years end. Sony, however needed to blow people's minds with brand-new franchises and surprise announcements and opted instead, to go the M$ route.

[moonknight25]

Yep thats all I asked for when it comes to the PS3...give me games to match the money i'm paying. Now I have "exclusives" to buy a ps3 for. Plus, the price drop makes used systems $449 so in the next month I will own one. WII on the other hand can kiss my ass untill Metroid comes out.......

[seanr1221]

Adam Sessler agrees it's the best of the 3.

[DarkNessBear]

#1. Sony (B+/A-)
#2. Microsoft C-
#3. Nintendo D-

Sony ruled that.

[anomynous]

Sony just peed in M$ & Nintendo's buttholes

[deadite76]

Looks like I'll be getting a PS3 next year.

[SpreadTheWord]

Here's my rankings for these conferences:

#1 Microsoft & Sony (tie)
#3 Nintendo
I'm more of a 360 fan but I still have to give Sony the nod. They showed the exciting things that won't release until 08 at the earliest.

Although MS did have more on stage demos.

Sony B+ - drop the lame jokes and uncomfortable chewbacca apearance and this would have gotten an A.
Microsoft B - Trim some of the boring powerpoint and add a trailer montage of 08/09 games. You have to keep your fanbase excited about the future.
Nintendo C- - Use E3 to talk to the core gamers, Wiifit would not have been so bad if you had shown the new duck hunt, animal crossing or pikman that we all know you're working on. And make some more DS games damnit!

[NamPaehc]

WAIT- Where was LAIR?????

[alexjs2913]

given their conferences, I am glad I have a 360 this year and look forward to a PS3 when these new games come out next year

[dallow]

Eh, it was a solid effort that was way too bogged down in the first two thirds, but I'll agree the last 1/3 made up for it. If I were to use your grading system, Sony gets a B-, Nintendo gets a C+ and M$ gets a solid B.Wow, you gave MS a solid B for showing almost nothing new?

It looks like the last 15 minutes really won it for them with some real exclusives. The first 1/3rd was almost entirely talking about features and functionality. the middle 1/3 was covering games that didnt distinguish them from the 360. This is the list they covered Pre-MGS4:

Haze, UT3, CoD4, Assasin's Creed, Kane & Lynch, RE5, Burnout Paradise, Madden 08, Harry Potter, The Simpons, GH3, MoH: Airborne, Rock Band.

They did well by not letting the release date limit what they showed, and could show a lot more.

Pop Quiz: How many RPGs did they show?

I give it a B- overall, with MS and Nintendo both getting C+

Pretty fair DMK, pretty fair.
I'm surprised you know the names of all those games though.

[rvdrock]

I'm all about some Infamous...that looked nice!

[imascrub]

good shit..good shit

[AshesofWake]

that was a pretty good conference. MGS4 and UT3 and Killzone 2 make me want to get the PS3 if i can find it for cheap. The new psp though, that shit was lame.

[dallow]

WAIT- Where was LAIR?????Haha, yeah, wtf?
That game comes out next month, where's the demo?

[Serpentor]

I'm hoping to see God of War III.

please please please let there be some pics at least...

[moonknight25]

I'm more of a 360 fan but I still have to give Sony the nod. They showed the exciting things that won't release until 08 at the earliest.

Although MS did have more on stage demos.

Same here, xb360 will keep me happy this year...but next year I'm going to be a broke bitch!!:lol:

[mwynn]

First party games and services shown during the event included:

PLAYSTATION 3
THE EYE OF JUDGMENT
Heavenly Sword
Infamous
NBA ‘08
Lair
LittleBigPlanet
Folklore
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
SingStar
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation
Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
Warhawk

PLAYSTATION Network
Blast Factor expansion 2
echochrome
High Velocity Bowling
PlayStation Home
HotShotGolf 5
MotorStorm Map Packs
PAIN
Resistance: Fall of Man Map Pack
Snakeball
Super Stardust HD
Wipeout HD

[mykevermin]

WAIT- Where was LAIR?????

Calm down, hombre. It's on store shelves in 4 weeks, right?

I am curious why it was absent, however.

[Kaijufan]

I liked how Sony had a lot of games, but I was sort of bored it places, like with the home parts.
Most of the games I want on PS3 are also coming out on the 360, and the exclusives I do want (Final Fantasy VS XIII, Lair, LA Noir and Heavy Rain) they didn't show.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I wrote them down as they came up on the display.

By my count, MS showed 3 RPGs: Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey.

I only saw Folklore from Sony, despite that all know there are a lot more than that.

[dallow]

Lair's getting Katamari'd and going to Wii.

:(

[botticus]

Well, they didn't make my decision for me, but at least they didn't make me not want a PS3. Needs more diversity (i.e. RPGs). The lack of previously-unannounced games across all three conferences was quite a downer.

[DarkNessBear]

Would of given Sony an A if they showed more Demonstrations (Uncharted) and Confirm rumble controller and give like a Symbol of some big Title (God of War 3).

[seanr1221]

There's a lair video on the PSN.

[dallow]

I wrote them down as they came up on the display.

By my count, MS showed 3 RPGs: Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey.

I only saw Folklore from Sony, despite that all know there are a lot more than that.TGS TGS TGS
(white knight story is what i want, and Eternal Sonata coming to PS3 as well)

[LinkinPrime]

I'm sorry but Sony killed Microsoft when it comes to new IP announcements. The "me too" section of the PS3 conference had me doubting but the last third was a Sony knockout.

Just drop the 60 Gig to $399, Sony, and we have a deal. ;)
Honestly, it wasn't that great, they focused on Sony Myspace...not interesting at all. Infamous, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, now those looked great!

MS showed a lot of titles that we were aware of, but they are all solid titles. Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Lost Odiseey, Blue Dragon, XBLA Montage, all good stuff, not new but all good stuff.

[dallow]

Yes, I give Sony a B for not enough on-stage demos.
Nintendo a C. MS a C+.

[NamPaehc]

I think that some of the dev companies now have their own events?

Almost nothing Final Fantasy related here at Sony's.

[Scrubking]

Conference was Shit. Worse than M$. Nintendo Won hands down.

[dallow]

Conference was Shit. Worse than M$. Nintendo Won hands down.It really is hard to fathom just how much a Nintendo fanboy you are.

Even Dr. Mario Kart gave them a C. and Sony a B.
Surprised me!

[botticus]

I think that some of the dev companies now have their own events?

Almost nothing Final Fantasy related here at Sony's.Nintendo mentioned DQ Swords briefly. I don't know if Square has another conference now, they just had their party a couple months ago.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Come on Scrub. Even I know when to not be partisan. That was fairly competent. Just info, and aside from the Wookie, low on the unncessary theatrics

[The Mana Knight]

Sony > All. They owned Nintendo and MS so badly this E3 that I can't stop laughing so hard.

New PSP model FTW!! I'll be buying it on day one for sure. I don't need another copy of Daxter, but oh well. Output the screen to the TV = OMG!!.

The PS3 showing was very impressive too. Only thing I wanted to see, but didn't was Firmware upgrade 2.0. :(

Anyone who saws Sony didn't win is NOT a real gamer. ;)

[mykevermin]

Conference was Shit. Worse than M$. Nintendo Won hands down.

I hope you're just being sarcastic, and don't really think a Roll n' Rocker accessory from Nintendo stole the show.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Granted, it was all shooters, racers and action games, but you dont have to be a fan of the genres to acknowledge their significance.

[botticus]

I hope you're just being sarcastic, and don't really think a Roll n' Rocker accessory from Nintendo stole the show.I had no idea that existed until you linked it. I was awed.

[mykevermin]

Nintendo mentioned DQ Swords briefly. I don't know if Square has another conference now, they just had their party a couple months ago.

There was also video of FFT for the PSP.

[seanr1221]

It really is hard to fathom just how much a Nintendo fanboy you are.

Even Dr. Mario Kart gave them a C. and Sony a B.
Surprised me!

Just read 'ol scrubby's blog to get an insight on what he thinks of Sony.

And I do have to hand it to DMK, didn't expect those ratings out of him.

[botticus]

There was also video of FFT for the PSP.True, but you couldn't see it. Like every other PSP video.

[RelentlessRolento]

PSN store has MGS4 and Killzone trailers up now alongside other things.

[coolz481]

Echochrome and especially Infamous looked hot. I'm terrible at first/third person shooters so I can't say I'm all that excited about Killzone or UT3. I wonder if Square-Enix has something big cooked up for TGS - strange that their only presence at E3 is portable games. Neither Microsoft nor Sony even showed a clip of The Last Remnant, for example.

[FriskyTanuki]

Hmm, neither MS nor Sony mentioned GHIII. Either way, Sony had the best, with Nintendo and MS behind them.

Sony: B+
Nintendo: C+
Microsoft: C

Sony kept a good pace going through the show while showing games or making announcements (glad they got rid of their standard powerpoint presentations), for the most part, while MS had tons of awkward moments, while Nintendo was all about bragging about their numbers and youtube videos.

[-Never4ever-]

Honestly, it wasn't that great, they focused on Sony Myspace...not interesting at all. Infamous, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, now those looked great!

MS showed a lot of titles that we were aware of, but they are all solid titles. Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Lost Odiseey, Blue Dragon, XBLA Montage, all good stuff, not new but all good stuff.

Not to mention that everything shone at the M$ conference (aside from RE5) is coming this THIS year, while I'm sure everything Sony showed (aside from maybe one of them) are all coming next year or even later.

All I care about is the next coming months, M$ showed that their system is where I'm going to most of my gaming from.

Also DR. Mario Kart, you forgot Mass Effect for the 360.

[MarioColbert]

Am I the only one who thinks that Echo Chrome stole the show?



I think facts.

[dallow]

Haha, the Nintendo guys are looking down on you now Scrub.
Jeeze.

Am I the only one who thinks that Echo Chrome stole the show?
I really have to see this.

[botticus]

Not to mention that everything shone at the M$ conference (aside from RE5) is coming this THIS year, while I'm sure everything Sony showed (aside from maybe one of them) are all coming next year or even later.

All I care about is the next coming months, M$ showed that their system is where I'm going to most of my gaming from.

Also DR. Mario Kart, you forgot Mass Effect for the 360.I actually would have preferred more talk about what is coming down the pipeline, considering 90% of what's coming out this year we already know about.

[NamPaehc]

Yeh guys, thats why I said "ALMOST nothing FF". :)

Also I noticed that Sony didn't mention the Sixaxis at all...

And where was the last of the PS2 games??

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its just rating a conference at all! Dont think I've bought into it personally!

[seanr1221]

Microsoft "We have all the top selling franchises on our system this year! Next year? No no, focus on this year!"

Sony "Yeaaaaa we better show some games or we're fucked"

Nintendo "Everyone loves us, even the women and the grandmas!"

I think that about sums it up ;)

[LinkinPrime]

Not to mention that everything shone at the M$ conference (aside from RE5) is coming this THIS year, while I'm sure everything Sony showed (aside from maybe one of them) are all coming next year or even later.

All I care about is the next coming months, M$ showed that their system is where I'm going to most of my gaming from.

Also DR. Mario Kart, you forgot Mass Effect for the 360.

Good point, I forgot about that. I guess TGS and X07 will reveal whats up for 2008.

[dallow]

I actually would have preferred more talk about what is coming down the pipeline, considering 90% of what's coming out this year we already know about.Bingo.

[Zoglog]

HD Trailers all over the PSN now! GET THEM!

[dallow]

Microsoft "We have all the top selling franchises on our system this year! Next year? No no, focus on this year!"

Sony "Yeaaaaa we better show some games or we're fucked"

Nintendo "Everyone loves us, even the women and the grandmas!"

I think that about sums it up ;):applause: :D

[botticus]

Is LBP due out this year, or have they not said for sure yet?

[Dezuria]

I didn't see the Echo Chrome part. What is it?

[whiptcracker]

Honestly, it wasn't that great, they focused on Sony Myspace...not interesting at all. Infamous, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, now those looked great!

MS showed a lot of titles that we were aware of, but they are all solid titles. Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Lost Odiseey, Blue Dragon, XBLA Montage, all good stuff, not new but all good stuff.

I agree with this. While Sony had more new game announcements, MS's conference demonstrated why it's good to have a 360 now, though I would've liked to hear more about possible '08 releases. Sony's conference I thought showed that there will be compelling reasons to pick up the console in the future. They have some great 1st party delevopers, and what they're working on looks promising.

It's weird that they didn't really show off LA Noire, Lair, Heavy Rain, or Final Fantasy stuff. Especially Lair considering it's a soon to be released exclusive that at least looks pretty compelling.

Maybe the companies are holding stuff back for TGS and X07?

[-Never4ever-]

Sony > All. They owned Nintendo and MS so badly this E3 that I can't stop laughing so hard.

New PSP model FTW!! I'll be buying it on day one for sure. I don't need another copy of Daxter, but oh well. Output the screen to the TV = OMG!!.

The PS3 showing was very impressive too. Only thing I wanted to see, but didn't was Firmware upgrade 2.0. :(

Anyone who saws Sony didn't win is NOT a real gamer. ;)

LMAO, right, and anyone who makes a statement like that is a Sony Fan-boy/girl through & through.

It wasn't that spectacular, and as I alluded to earlier, M$ showcased the best lineup, that was also coming sooner than Sony's. Not to mention that shit with home and GT5 AND the guy crashing through the glass made the shit M$ did in their conference seem awesome by comparison.

[LinkinPrime]

Microsoft "We have all the top selling franchises on our system this year! Next year? No no, focus on this year!"

Sony "Yeaaaaa we better show some games or we're fucked"

Nintendo "Everyone loves us, even the women and the grandmas!"

I think that about sums it up ;)

Ding! Ding! Ding!....Great summary, honestly.

[mykevermin]

Now that all the keynotes are done, we can sit back and watch some awesome acts of cognitive dissonance as people try to explain how MS or Nintendo had the best performance.

In the meantime, all the Xbox kids don't really need to try to lie to themselves that MS' keynote held its own against Sony's. They ought to be playing those demos for Ace Combat 6 and Blue Dragon. The demo area is one place where Sony is *sorely* lacking.

[dallow]

did anyone else notice how 'polite' the Sony suits were? They must have really taken all of those 'arrogance' criticisms to heart.

Last year:
Listen up bitches, next gen doesn't start until we say it does. Now suck on this.

This year:
Thank you all. We really appreciate your support. Did I mention we really appreciate your support? We owe everything to you. We will work hard to earn your support. Puppies! Puppies for all! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3Hehe.

[mwynn]

I didn't see the Echo Chrome part. What is it?
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/07/dsc_1103.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/07/dsc_1101.jpg


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/07/dsc_1109.jpg

Seems like you rotate the puzzle to create new paths.

[botticus]

Now that all the keynotes are done, we can sit back and watch some awesome acts of cognitive dissonance as people try to explain how MS or Nintendo had the best performance.

In the meantime, all the Xbox kids don't really need to try to lie to themselves that MS' keynote held its own against Sony's. They ought to be playing those demos for Ace Combat 6 and Blue Dragon. The demo area is one place where Sony is *sorely* lacking.I only wish I could be downloading the Wii Fit trailer.

It'd be nice if people could just admit that every conference was lacking and not nitpick over which one "won" by fractions of imaginary points. But that won't happen. But it was Sony, by the way.

[LinkinPrime]

I didn't see the Echo Chrome part. What is it?

Some weird looking puzzler thats going to make Ico fans crap their pants. I didnt' see the big deal.

[MarioColbert]

I didn't see the Echo Chrome part. What is it?

It is a black and white game, in which you walk around the odd geometry of M. C. Escher.


The best thing is, that I've just told you what it was, but you can't process it. You have to see it for yourself. Now, the graphics can probably run on a Wii, or just one GameCube (without the duct tape), but the idea is where it's at. I want to see the code for it. If there is one thing I do not understand is the gameplay mechanic in analysis of the illusions, which basically comprise 100% of the gameplay. I have a degree in math, and I don't understand how it is done. It fucking ROTATES.

[FriskyTanuki]

Is LBP due out this year, or have they not said for sure yet?
Demo/beeta in the fall with a possible retail release next year.

[seanr1221]

I want a puppy...and by puppy I mean heavenly sword demo. :lol:

[dallow]

:) @ Botticus.

[FriskyTanuki]

Some weird looking puzzler thats going to make Ico fans crap their pants. I didnt' see the big deal.
Why would Ico fans care about Echo Chrome? I don't see the connection.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Dont you go thinking that this makes the price point legitimate!

[seanr1221]

:lol: Botticus reminds me of Homer in the episode where the meteor is going to hit Springfield

"And it was a baby ox!"

[MarioColbert]

Can someone define "winning" for me in regards to E3? English is my second language, I'd be most obliged.

[Apossum]

It is a black and white game, in which you walk around the odd geometry of M. C. Escher.


The best thing is, that I've just told you what it was, but you can't process it. You have to see it for yourself. Now, the graphics can probably run on a Wii, or just one GameCube (without the duct tape), but the idea is where it's at. I want to see the code for it. If there is one thing I do not understand is the gameplay mechanic in analysis of the illusions, which basically comprise 100% of the gameplay. I have a degree in math, and I don't understand how it is done. It fucking ROTATES.


yeah, but where are the fukken guns, tits, blood, mechs, swear words, achievement points, and online deathmatches?

http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/ludae/icons/paradox.jpg

Ftw!


no but really, this and Hexic 2 made my show :)

[botticus]

Demo/beeta in the fall with a possible retail release next year.Okay, I recalled "fall," but that was probably the demo then.

So... PS3 for $410 minus resale of PS2 minus resale of upscaling DVD player = worth of games PS3 will likely get? I suppose it's looking that way. Time to talk to the wife.

[CrimsonPaw]

It'd be nice if people could just admit that every conference was lacking and not nitpick over which one "won" by fractions of imaginary points. But that won't happen. But it was Sony, by the way.
I agree, all conferences had their good points (Mass Effect looks awesome, Mario Kart Wii is going to be cool along with the Zapper for $19.99, and I'm actually looking forward to home and REALLY liked what I saw of Infamous). These conferences didn't bring out any huge surprises, but all-in-all they were a good watch.

[Mr. Anderson]

Sony put on a great show, and definitely instilled some faith in me.

[Apossum]

Can someone define "winning" for me in regards to E3? English is my second language, I'd be most obliged.


I dunno. it's pretty much all politics with E3 analysis. The fact remains that whatever system you like is whatever system you like and there are enough games to justify liking any game system. Anything more than that is capitalistic, competitive thinking of wanting the system you bought to "win" some imaginary war. This illusion is squashed by the fact that there is enough room for all 3 consoles to survive and grow on the market.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Can someone define "winning" for me in regards to E3? English is my second language, I'd be most obliged.
Which fan base was made the happiest.

[dallow]

Can someone define "winning" for me in regards to E3? English is my second language, I'd be most obliged.To win, the conference that causes the e-penis that gets the hardest, wins.

Pardon my language.

[dallow]

The price point is legitimate!!!

;)

[Vanigan]

Regardless of who won, no doubt this conference convinced many to buy, or at least consider, a PS3.

[MarioColbert]

yeah, but where are the fukken guns, tits, blood, mechs, swear words, achievement points, and online deathmatches?

Hot Damn, I could have sworn you had me on ignore in light of that whole Manhunt 2 thing. :]


FTW, indeed.


Also, I should say, that CRUSH on PSP is spectacular. No tits, guns, or blood, though. But the level design of later worlds deserves major praise for being works of impeccable precision.

[Dr Mario Kart]

This illusion is squashed by the fact that there is enough room for all 3 consoles to survive and grow on the market.

Now see, while this may very well be the case, there isnt actually any evidence for it. That is to say, all 3 players should be able to make money simultaneously for this argument to really work - Unless part of surviving and growing involves throwing away billions of dollars every year.

[LinkinPrime]

Why would Ico fans care about Echo Chrome? I don't see the connection.

Wasn't Ico known as like the ultimate puzzler. Never played just based of off what I've heard.

[dallow]

Wasn't Ico known as like the ultimate puzzler. Never played just based of off what I've heard.It was a platformer piece of fucking art.

[zewone]

Being the biggest ICO fan on these boards, I'll tell you I could give a fuck less about Echo Chrmoe.

It needs more Wii Scale.

[Apossum]

Now see, while this may very well be the case, there isnt actually any evidence for it. That is to say, all 3 players should be able to make money simultaneously for this argument to really work - Unless part of surviving and growing involves throwing away billions of dollars every year.


how about the evidence that this has almost always been the case and that no company is even close to red lining thanks to the increase of popularity in gaming over the past few years?


basically, as long as the company keeps games and features coming, they're safe. They even have room to trip and make mistakes, as long as they fix them and don't stay sliding.

Hot Damn, I could have sworn you had me on ignore in light of that whole Manhunt 2 thing. :]


FTW, indeed.


Also, I should say, that CRUSH on PSP is spectacular. No tits, guns, or blood, though. But the level design of later worlds deserves major praise for being works of impeccable precision.

naw, I don't ignore people...forums aren't that serious to me.

I think Echo Chrome was the best unannounced title for the show :) and I hope Crush makes it to consoles.

[LinkinPrime]

It was a platformer piece of fucking art.

I know it was a platformer, but I could have sworn all they hype I read about it was that the puzzles were great.

[botticus]

Regardless of who won, no doubt this conference convinced many to buy, or at least consider, a PS3.Not sure about that anymore so than any other conference. People who watch these conferences are the people like us who have already seen or knew about pretty much every game shown, so outside of the Killzone, Infamous or MGS trailers, I didn't see much that would be swaying potential buyers.

[Apossum]

Wasn't Ico known as like the ultimate puzzler. Never played just based of off what I've heard.


it's not really a puzzle game, it's a zelda-type adventure puzzler, but with more focus on environmental puzzles.

Echo chrome is more of a post-modern, weird puzzle game...

[Dr Mario Kart]

one of my favorite charts:


FY* Sony** Nintendo Microsoft
1998 974,000,000 629,000,000
1999 1,130,000,000 645,000,000
2000 730,000,000 421,000,000
2001 -409,000,000 726,000,000
2002 623,000,000 800,000,000 -750,000,000
2003 939,000,000 560,000,000 -1,191,000,000
2004 650,000,000 316,000,000 -1,215,000,000
2005 404,000,000 777,000,000 -485,000,000
2006 75,000,00 894,000,000 -1,262,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -693,000,000
Totals 3,147,000,000 7,257,000,000 -5,596,000,000 This is pre-$1B from MS

* -- it's fiscal year for both Microsoft and Nintendo
** -- it's FY+1 for Sony for comparison reasons

Microsoft – Entertainment and Devices Division (Home and Entertainment) through 3rd Q FY 2007 ended March 31
Sony – Game division through 4th Q FY 2006 ended March 31
Nintendo – Overall through 4th Q FY 2007 ended March 31. Average exchange rate: 1 US $ = 117.02 yen

[FriskyTanuki]

Wasn't Ico known as like the ultimate puzzler. Never played just based of off what I've heard.
I'm not sure where you heard that, but Ico was an adventure. Not even close to what we've seen of Echo Chrome so far.

[MarioColbert]

Which fan base was made the happiest.


And we measure that with a fanometer?


At the moment, I see a shitload of coverage of the Wii Fit gadget, with everyone going "what the fuck?" It pissed off people enough to write up exactly why this sucks, which appears to make it the most covered write-up of the show so far, based on my bullshit impression in Google Reader (I don't find the peripheral to be exciting, so I'm getting more and more annoyed at the constant coverage.)

Sorry, I'm not getting 360/PS3 until they are much, much cheaper. My Wii is costing me $125. I iz cheaper than you. I'll tell you which show I dug the most after I catch up on M$ and Nintendo. I know the announcements, but I want to see some flashing pictures.

[mykevermin]

...not nitpick over which one "won" by fractions of imaginary points.

well said.

Why would Ico fans care about Echo Chrome? I don't see the connection.

Pretension and a semblance of 'art'? ;)

Time to talk to the wife.

*after* you make the purchase, not before.

[Apossum]

one of my favorite charts:


FY* Sony** Nintendo Microsoft
1998 974,000,000 629,000,000
1999 1,130,000,000 645,000,000
2000 730,000,000 421,000,000
2001 -409,000,000 726,000,000
2002 623,000,000 800,000,000 -750,000,000
2003 939,000,000 560,000,000 -1,191,000,000
2004 650,000,000 316,000,000 -1,215,000,000
2005 404,000,000 777,000,000 -485,000,000
2006 75,000,00 894,000,000 -1,262,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -693,000,000 This is pre-$1B from MS

* -- it's fiscal year for both Microsoft and Nintendo
** -- it's FY+1 for Sony for comparison reasons

Microsoft – Entertainment and Devices Division (Home and Entertainment) through 3rd Q FY 2007 ended March 31
Sony – Game division through 4th Q FY 2006 ended March 31
Nintendo – Overall through 4th Q FY 2007 ended March 31. Average exchange rate: 1 US $ = 117.02 yen
Totals 3,147,000,000 7,257,000,000 -5,596,000,000


that's nice, but they have money pouring out every orifice and I'm sure that loss was planned and projected.

I just don't care enough to look at numbers...they don't really tell me anything.

[zewone]

Wii Scale is the new $599, Giant Crab, Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racerrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[Dr Mario Kart]

At some point, a number is going to tell you whether or not there is what you specified as being "growth". You cant really be part of the conversation without numbers.

[Apossum]

Pretension and a semblance of 'art'?


i'm curious as to what the pretense is...it's a puzzle game involving visual paradoxes and how to guide a little guy through them. nothing more, nothing less. there aren't even any graphics, just lines. :lol:

[botticus]

well said.



Pretension and a semblance of 'art'? ;)



*after* you make the purchase, not before.You are quite correct, sir.

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5148/100spousexy4.th.gif (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=100spousexy4.gif)

(stolen shamelessly from GAF at some point, I think)

[Dr Mario Kart]

Wii Scale is the new $599, Giant Crab, Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racerrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Hardly. Those things worked to the detriment of Sony in every facet of the media. It will be the exact opposite case here. The mass media should be quite excited by it, and unlike the PS3, it will not harm sales and continue to keep the Wii sold out well into next year.

[anomynous]

Wii Scale is the new $599, Giant Crab, Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racerrrrrrrrrrrrr.
No, MS has that down with:

"Puh Puh Puhroject Gotham Racing 4"
"We're going in, and we going hard"
*holds up Halo 3 360, waiting for applause, instead crickets chirp*
That Halo 3 Fiddle bullshit at the beginning
the chick that was singing when they were displaying Rock Band

[botticus]

No, MS has that down with:

"Puh Puh Puhroject Gotham Racing 4"
"We're going in, and we going hard"
*holds up Halo 3 360, waiting for applause, instead crickets chirp*
That Halo 3 Fiddle bullshit at the beginning
the chick that was singing when they were displaying Rock BandTo be fair, Nintendo had the "maximum penetration" bit with regards to the Wii.

[zewone]

It's a scale.

Go outside, don't wast $50.

[MarioColbert]

Hardly. Those things worked to the detriment of Sony in every facet of the media. It will be the exact opposite case here. The mass media should be quite excited by it, and unlike the PS3, it will not harm sales and continue to keep the Wii sold out well into next year.

You're wasting your breath, no matter how true the words that you speak are.


Reminder: This is a SONY PS3 E3 2007 THREAD. For all the Wii hate, please visit the Wii forums.

[munch]

\

*after* you make the purchase, not before.

:applause: spoken like a true married man.

[rodeojones903]

MGS4 will be exclusive to the PS3.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/e307/metal-gear-solid-4-is-ps3-exclusive-+-last-in-series-277361.php

[LinkinPrime]

I'm not sure where you heard that, but Ico was an adventure. Not even close to what we've seen of Echo Chrome so far.

I wasn't saying it was similar gameplay. I just meant that its the Puzzler game that we'll all be hearing about for years, if its taken as well with the rest of the world as most of you have.

[Apossum]

At some point, a number is going to tell you whether or not there is what you specified as being "growth". You cant really be part of the conversation without numbers.


growth as in new products, more games, more people buying games.

As much as I'm pissed at Sony for not having a pie chart at their presentation (those bastards betrayed me for the last time!!!), the numbers don't pertain to my perspective of gaming.

For one thing, it's an abstract market and I'm not into business, so the analysis is only of passing interest. so MS lost billions, but nobody looked at that and thought "wow, they're going to close up their xbox division." People knew they had a long term plan, which, no doubt, Sony and Nintendo have. I don't care about the plans and the ebbs and flows because they're all healthy and strongly supported on the market in general. All 3 are household names with strong staying power. As long as they do what they've been doing they're fine because that's what people like. In a sense, they work together to keep the market to themselves, while stealing little parts here and there. The days of a system dying completely, like the dreamcast, are over thanks to mainstream gaming.

what I'm saying is, if the wii sells like the PS2 this gen, with MS in second, and Sony is last financially, it wouldn't matter because my backlog is going to be huge regardless with games from all 3 systems and all 3 corps will have new systems next time around.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its understandable that Sony didnt want to have a numbers discussion at the start. It wouldve been hiliarious though.

[Apossum]

MGS4 will be exclusive to the PS3.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/e307/metal-gear-solid-4-is-ps3-exclusive-+-last-in-series-277361.php

I wonder if that means no "substance" version or that'll be handled by another team. cause another team could do the port

Its understandable that Sony didnt want to have a numbers discussion at the start. It wouldve been hiliarious though.

See MarioColbert-- perfect example of the "gaming politics" side of E3. Who cares? did you not see a presentation full of new games or were you to busy crunching sales numbers to notice?

[dallow]

DMK lives on hard numbers, not 3D games.

[Apossum]

anyway back to the Sony conference, which this thread is supposed to be about,

no FFXIII...just realized that. maybe square will show it off

[mwynn]

anyway back to the Sony conference, which this thread is supposed to be about,

no FFXIII...just realized that. maybe square will show it off
I would say TGS for FF 13. Square was only showing the handheld games at E3. Unless they have a video.

[LinkinPrime]

So is Naughty Dog done with Jak and Daxter? Is SuckerPuch done with Sly Cooper? Those were the games that sold me on my PS2. Atleast Ratchet & Clank are still on track.

[dallow]

So is Naughty Dog done with Jak and Daxter? Is SuckerPuch done with Sly Cooper? Those were the games that sold me on my PS2. Atleast Ratchet & Clank are still on track.Doubtful on both counts.

I'm sure they want to try to make a new game, give them the chance.

[mwynn]

There will more than likely be PS3 version of Jax and Daxter and Sly Cooper.

[FriskyTanuki]

I wasn't saying it was similar gameplay. I just meant that its the Puzzler game that we'll all be hearing about for years, if its taken as well with the rest of the world as most of you have.
You seemed to imply gameplay:

Wasn't Ico known as like the ultimate puzzler. Never played just based of off what I've heard.

The point is that the comparison to Ico doesn't make sense.

I'll simplify it for you: this is the Crush of the PSN. The quirky puzzler that the hardcore could appreciate, but will ultimately just be ignored by the masses.

So is Naughty Dog done with Jak and Daxter? Is SuckerPuch done with Sly Cooper? Those were the games that sold me on my PS2. Atleast Ratchet & Clank are still on track.
Jeez. Give them time to get their first games out first before worrying about their previous franchises.

[dallow]

GT5 screens:

http://i15.tinypic.com/52ld6o7.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/6h3ttsj.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/4qp6r8m.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4ujqecp.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4tfw1tz.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/4qd2tr6.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/66iyr28.jpg

[Maynard]

So is Naughty Dog done with Jak and Daxter? Is SuckerPuch done with Sly Cooper? Those were the games that sold me on my PS2. Atleast Ratchet & Clank are still on track.

I can't imagine we'll see those until E3 '08 maybe?

[LinkinPrime]

You seemed to imply gameplay:

The point is that the comparison to Ico doesn't make sense.

I'll simplify it for you: this is the Crush of the PSN. The quirky puzzler that the hardcore could appreciate, but will ultimately just be ignored by the masses.

Sorry, my ignorance for the game caused confusion.

[Apossum]

Jak and Sly are huge franchises...doubt they are ditching them. New IP is good :)

[dallow]

Konami sent out this for the press:

Quote:
This is certainly one of the strangest E3 appointment reminders we've received. Konami's media briefing begins at 5:45PM PST, and Konami has sent a cryptic poem, hinting at a major, unexpected announcement:

What better way
to end your day
at Konami's media briefing collecting ...
News for a major announcement
you were not expecting.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Well I mean, I dont expect them to contradict Kojima to his face. So that means that will happen?

[LinkinPrime]

Konami sent out this for the press:

Quote:
This is certainly one of the strangest E3 appointment reminders we've received. Konami's media briefing begins at 5:45PM PST, and Konami has sent a cryptic poem, hinting at a major, unexpected announcement:

What better way
to end your day
at Konami's media briefing collecting ...
News for a major announcement
you were not expecting.

Tan....tan.......tan!!!!!

:-k I'm interested.

[MarioColbert]

Konami sent out this for the press:

Quote:
This is certainly one of the strangest E3 appointment reminders we've received. Konami's media briefing begins at 5:45PM PST, and Konami has sent a cryptic poem, hinting at a major, unexpected announcement:

What better way
to end your day
at Konami's media briefing collecting ...
News for a major announcement
you were not expecting.

I bet you I -was- expecting, and was confused that we haven't heard it yet. I'm probably wrong, and yes, it probably is what you think.

[Apossum]

Finally, the Konami Man platformer we've all been waiting for.


or Konami vs. Capcom 2

[seanr1221]

MGS4 will be online?

Demo for MGS4?

New 2d castlevania coming to PSN/XBLA?

[mwynn]

Snake in Brawl.

[Z-Saber]

Konami sent out this for the press:

Quote:
This is certainly one of the strangest E3 appointment reminders we've received. Konami's media briefing begins at 5:45PM PST, and Konami has sent a cryptic poem, hinting at a major, unexpected announcement:

What better way
to end your day
at Konami's media briefing collecting ...
News for a major announcement
you were not expecting.I'll be in bed before then, but holy crap is that an interesting way to fuel some obvious rumors.

[LinkinPrime]

Castlevania Fit for Nintendo Wii.

"....whip it!....whip it good!..."

[dallow]

ZOE3

Or as someone amusingly said "THE SPANISH INQUISITION!"

[Apossum]

is their conference today?

[dallow]

Yes.

[DarkNessBear]

So is Naughty Dog done with Jak and Daxter? Is SuckerPuch done with Sly Cooper? Those were the games that sold me on my PS2. Atleast Ratchet & Clank are still on track.

I think you forgot that Insomiac made Resistance first.

^.^ there is still time.

[dallow]

Also, new PSP is equipped with enhanced feature to temporarily store game data from UMD, reducing load time during game play(*3).

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4393&NewsAreaID=17

It's also called the PSP-P.

I don't know why.

[RelentlessRolento]

when is it?

[dallow]

The new PSP is a sleeker and more streamlined version of the popular original PSP system. It is 33 percent lighter and 19 percent slimmer than the current version, making the all-in-one mobile entertainment system even more convenient to carry around at less than 1/2-pound in weight and less than 3/4-inch in thickness. The new PSP system will also have a thinner, more efficient battery, 64MB of system memory and video-out capabilities allowing consumers to enjoy their games at 480 x 272 resolution and movies at full standard-definition resolution on any progressive scan TV.

Interesting.

[RelentlessRolento]

personally I just want Metal Gear Ac!d 3 with online play. I'm an obvious loner on this one.

[LinkinPrime]

For anyone that missed the conference or any of them, they can be viewed here:
http://www.g4tv.com/e32007/spotlight.html

[RelentlessRolento]

nice to know you can charge the PSP via USB... finally.

[FriskyTanuki]

Sorry, my ignorance for the game caused confusion.
It's okay. There's better things to argue about than a puzzle game on the PSN. ;) :lol:

[dallow]

Play EchoChrome now?

http://www.forest.impress.co.jp/article/2006/10/16/ole.html

PSP Slim video. (not from E3!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn_ku9nmA8U


Things of note:

-Face buttons are visibly raised and easier to hit.
-Memory Card slot has changed somewhat.
-Wifi switch is now on top, presumably the wifi unit is behind the screen now. Helpful since the old unit would heat up your hands after heavy use!
-Battery is now 1200maH, a 1000 less than the older unit. Sony are promising better battery life?
-PSP can now accept power charge directly through the USB port.
-Battery cover features a new mechanism to open it.
-Infrared port removed.
-Hold switch is on the left side, seperated from the power switch

[RelentlessRolento]

oddly it's nice to know EchoChrome is comming to PSP on UMD as well... a rival to PQ?

[Z-Saber]

ZOE3

Or as someone amusingly said "THE SPANISH INQUISITION!"I've said before that a new Shadow of the Colossus/Ico universe game or the next Kingdom Hearts would make me buy a PS3. I'll now add ZoE 3 to that list.

[Justin42]

Hrrm, seems odd that you need progressive scan to play games via the video out on the new PSPs, since it seems like the res would be doable (maybe a little flickery) on standard-def TVs. :/

That said, it SEEMS promising although I'm not completely thrilled by the redesign.

[RelentlessRolento]

so konami is tonight or what?

[dallow]

http://www.t3.co.uk/__data/assets/fp_auto_layout_image/813226/psp-lite-04.jpg

Hands on:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/sonys-thinner-lighter-psp-hands-on/

[dallow]

This made me laugh:

end your day?

Next-Gen Boktai confirmed?

[RelentlessRolento]

news? yep

http://blog.us.playstation.com/

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1219/778949145_c1e2925fec.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1001/778949161_228ad0ecf2.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1052/778949177_1fb23a2c42.jpg

[imascrub]

(posted earlier)
http://i13.tinypic.com/4tfw1tz.jpg

ok what the crap lol

[botticus]

So the silver PSP-P is only available in the entertainment pack, or can it be had separately for $169.99? Ditto for the black.

[RelentlessRolento]

I just want the black one... no need for all the crap I already have:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1219/778949145_c1e2925fec.jpg

[dallow]

I want the silver, but not the extras... hmm.

[imascrub]

i'll take the package but with a different game lol
psp-p with crisis core maybe lol

[seanr1221]

I'm guessing a big no here, but if i use my Gamestop warranty can I nab one of these PSP slims instead?

[FriskyTanuki]

So the silver PSP-P is only available in the entertainment pack, or can it be had separately for $169.99? Ditto for the black.
Nope, just in the bundles.

From the Sony PR:


The first newly designed PSP that will be released in North America is the limited-edition Daxter PSP Entertainment Pack, which will be available on September 10 and provide users with everything they need to enjoy the ultimate in portable entertainment, right out of the box. This package will feature a PSP in “Ice Silver” along with the award-winning, action-packed game, Daxter; the hit TV comedy from 20th Century Fox, “Family Guy - The Freakin’ Sweet Collection” on UMD; and a 1GB Memory Stick PRO Duo™, for storing photos, music, video clips and more.

The limited-release Star Wars Battlefront PSP Entertainment Pack, available on October 9, will allow owners to experience their favorite Star Wars battles any way – and anywhere – they want with a special “Ceramic White” PSP featuring a silk-screened image of Darth Vader on the back of the unit. Also included is Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron, the next chapter of the best-selling Star Wars Battlefront series from LucasArts. Set during the Original Trilogy era, the game is the previously untold story of a ragtag ensemble of battle-hardened rogues and scoundrels assembled by Han Solo. Now for the first time ever in Star Wars Battlefront, you can customize your character, select your weapons, choose your abilities and create a different experience every time you play.A stand-alone version of Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron will also be available on October 9.

[dallow]

I'm guessing a big no here, but if i use my Gamestop warranty can I nab one of these PSP slims instead?BIG NO! (hehe, prob not)

[botticus]

Nope, just in the bundles.

From the Sony PR:So technically it is a price increase. Oops, I mean, "value add." Guess I'll wait till they strip out the extras again.

[snakelda]

I just want the PSP only.........I'll just get the Bundle and ebay the rest quickly before everyone does the same,lol.I think I may not get it and stick with my (old) PSP w/ homebrew.......decisions.....and I still need to get a PS3!

[FriskyTanuki]

So technically it is a price increase. Oops, I mean, "value add." Guess I'll wait till they strip out the extras again.
Not really. Piano Black's getting the core pack release at $169.99.

[DarkNessBear]

So Konami announcement in 30 minutes?

[dpatel]

please let it be ZOE3!

[RelentlessRolento]

So Konami announcement in 30 minutes?

you know more than I do so um... sure.

[DarkNessBear]

15 mins till announcement?!

[RelentlessRolento]

10 min till Kojima announces a Metal Gear plush furry line of toys.

[DarkNessBear]

10 min till Kojima announces a Metal Gear plush furry line of toys.

That'd be cool.

[RelentlessRolento]

silent hill 5 is comming...

[Zoglog]

As expected, all the stupid doomsayers and idiotic anti-Sony Fanboys have been shot down once again. As I've stated before it was nothing more than the initial launch fanaticism fueled by idiotic consumers that led to extremely bad press... (well I guess as some dumb Sony exec quotes contributed). Same thing happened at 360 launch and the first year... but after the ps3 launch suddenly the whole wii360 movement came about proclaiming the downfall for the ps3? It was the dumbest shit i'd ever seen with fanboys and stupid console loyalties. Now I see the same people coming around saying "oh look ps3 aint so bad anymore! wooo!" go fuck yourselves tards.

[seanr1221]

People are fickle, of course every bump in the road spells doomsday.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'm still going strong :)

$499 isnt a legitimate price point for a game machine. Neither is $399. There isnt such a thing as a game THAT good.

[zewone]

silent hill 5 is comming...
Boo!

Wante ZOE3.

[RelentlessRolento]

Boo!

Wante ZOE3.

well, once kojima is done with MGS4, expect it. he's too damn busy right now.

[v1et r1ce]

Kinda dissapointed about no Final Fantasy...guess I gotta wait till TGS.

[seanr1221]

I'm still going strong :)

$499 isnt a legitimate price point for a game machine. Neither is $399. There isnt such a thing as a game THAT good.

Am I the only one who thinks 400/500 for these machines isn't bad? Not cheap, but not bad. I know people who spend that much on a pair of jeans.

Comeon, what would you rather have...jeans or a PS3 :lol:

[Apossum]

I'm still going strong :)

$499 isnt a legitimate price point for a game machine. Neither is $399. There isnt such a thing as a game THAT good.


ninja gaiden




edit: the special announcement was Silent Hill 5??

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its good for what it is, but I just want a game machine. I could do without like half a dozen features.

[smalien1]

The metal gear game for DS looked amazing.

[dpatel]

damnit. There is a MG game on the DS? Now I'll have to finally bite and get one.

[RelentlessRolento]

The metal gear game for DS looked amazing.


I'm surprised at how well it used the mic. never thought of using it that way >_<

[Jimbo Slice]

I'm still going strong :)

$499 isnt a legitimate price point for a game machine. Neither is $399. There isnt such a thing as a game THAT good.

No single game is THAT good, but when it's 50 to 100 (or more) really great games in a consoles lifespan, it makes it well worth it.

[RelentlessRolento]

weird... there are hidden trailers in addition to the ones today... here's where to get them:


* LittleBigPlanet interview: Games > Downloadable Games > Super Rub a Dub

* Ratchet and Clank interview: Featured Items > Ridge Racer 7 > Ufra Special Events > Page 3

* NBA 08 interview: Featured Items > Go! Puzzle Game Packs

* Uncharted: Drake's Fortune interview: View All > M-Q > Nancy Drew

* Singstar interview: Videos > Blu Ray discs > Bruce Springsteen Live in Dublin

* Heavenly Sword interview: Games > Classics > Page 2

* FolkLore interview: View All > H-L > Lucky You

[io]

ninja gaiden




Wait, so according to ZogLog all this great stuff was announced that makes the PS3 awesome now and THIS is the game you retort with that makes the system worth $500? I'll admit, I haven't looked at a single thing yet that Sony announced (just saw some PSP slim stuff - looks interesting but I don't play my current PSP any more so I don't see the need for a new one). I'm certainly open to a bunch of stunning announcements of PS3 games coming this Fall - but if your retort as to why the PS3 is worth $500 is Ninja Gaiden, well, then, no thanks :lol:. Hell, even if I got one (which I am considering) I wouldn't buy that game, just as I'm not buying Halo for the 360.

But I sympathize ZogLog - I made a similar post on the Nintendo thread. All those first party games coming out this year FOR SURE plus Mario Kart early 2008 should have shut up the "wii is a gimmick/only for soccer moms and grampas" crowd (which I noticed consists mostly of Sony fanboys) but it didn't...

[LinkinPrime]

weird... there are hidden trailers in addition to the ones today... here's where to get them:
Hidden?

Seems more like poorly organized.

[Apossum]

Wait, so according to ZogLog all this great stuff was announced that makes the PS3 awesome now and THIS is the game you retort with that makes the system worth $500? I'll admit, I haven't looked at a single thing yet that Sony announced (just saw some PSP slim stuff - looks interesting but I don't play my current PSP any more so I don't see the need for a new one). I'm certainly open to a bunch of stunning announcements of PS3 games coming this Fall - but if your retort as to why the PS3 is worth $500 is Ninja Gaiden, well, then, no thanks :lol:. Hell, even if I got one (which I am considering) I wouldn't buy that game, just as I'm not buying Halo for the 360.

But I sympathize ZogLog - I made a similar post on the Nintendo thread. All those first party games coming out this year FOR SURE plus Mario Kart early 2008 should have shut up the "wii is a gimmick/only for soccer moms and grampas" crowd (which I noticed consists mostly of Sony fanboys) but it didn't...



serious business



Hidden?

Seems more like poorly organized.


it's over. sony is finished. blu-ray is done for.

[dpatel]

Hidden?

Seems more like poorly organized.

So poorly organized that they even labeled them as hidden videos.

[io]

serious business


Seriously ;).

I see this post saying anyone who doubted the PS3 has been put in their place, hands down. But how? I have to admit, I dismissed it (at least in the short term - but mostly because it didn't work in HD with my Sony HDTV ;)). But the OP of this thread doesn't have some sort of comprehensive "awesome" list (in contrast to Ikohn4ever's E3 Wii games list). What is it that is new that is so great? I loved the PS2 for it's games like Katamari, JRPGs, Jak-type platformers, and yes, free online play (didn't see the point of paying for it and only sort of do now that I have a 360). Is there anything mind-blowing that is new in those genres? I'm honestly curious.

[Monsta Mack]

As expected....

I wouldn't call the price drop and free blue-ray DVDS the end for microsoft and Wii. I expect the 360 to still outsell the PS3 by a 1.8:1 ratio instead of 2.0+:1. The Wii is going to sell like shit on a stick till someone decides to either copy them or release their new consoles. Trust me on that one.

Io you haven't heard of Killzone 2? Killer ap baby. ;) You want a reason to buy a PS3? KILLZONE 2! The one game... to rule them all! /lotr reference.

[mwynn]

Seriously ;).

I see this post saying anyone who doubted the PS3 has been put in their place, hands down. But how? I have to admit, I dismissed it (at least in the short term - but mostly because it didn't work in HD with my Sony HDTV ;)). But the OP of this thread doesn't have some sort of comprehensive "awesome" list (in contrast to Ikohn4ever's E3 Wii games list). What is it that is new that is so great? I loved the PS2 for it's games like Katamari, JRPGs, Jak-type platformers, and yes, free online play (didn't see the point of paying for it and only sort of do now that I have a 360). Is there anything mind-blowing that is new in those genres? I'm honestly curious.
The list was on like page 33. I added it to the original topic, now it is time to branch out into separate threads.

[FriskyTanuki]

So poorly organized that they even labeled them as hidden videos.
And that's as low as limbo stick gets.

[Moxio]

Eh, missed it. oh well. How was it? Anything good?

[io]

The list was on like page 33. I added it to the original topic, now it is time to branch out into separate threads.

Thanks for the update - it's worse than I thought. There really isn't much new there, is there? What was so awesome about the PS3 presentation? Again, I am honestly curious - I WANT to be blown away! I like my 360 but I don't think it is the be-all end-all gaming experience (nor do I think the Wii is that), so I'm open to Sony coming on strong here.

For what it's worth, I am mildly interested in Lair, R&C, LBP, and possibly Folklore. And Home I guess. But none of these scream must-have at me, except for possibly R&C, and that I can wait on a price drop for (like Mass Effect and some of the other hyped-up 360 games). So it looks like I may pick up a PS3 after Christmas when it is possible for some of these games to start seeing price drops.

Monsta Mack - Killzone 2 may be a killer ap (though I suspect you are being tongue-in-cheek there ;)) but I'm not into shooters all that much (thus, to me, Halo 3 is not a killer-app either).

[mwynn]

I really can not help you with why it was awesome. I ant to lay every game they showed. All i can do is post the info and movies, and let you see for yourself.

[Apossum]

Eh, missed it. oh well. How was it? Anything good?

It sucked ass. Everything sucked. ;)

Seriously ;).

I see this post saying anyone who doubted the PS3 has been put in their place, hands down. But how? I have to admit, I dismissed it (at least in the short term - but mostly because it didn't work in HD with my Sony HDTV ;)). But the OP of this thread doesn't have some sort of comprehensive "awesome" list (in contrast to Ikohn4ever's E3 Wii games list). What is it that is new that is so great? I loved the PS2 for it's games like Katamari, JRPGs, Jak-type platformers, and yes, free online play (didn't see the point of paying for it and only sort of do now that I have a 360). Is there anything mind-blowing that is new in those genres? I'm honestly curious.


see, I can't tell you how. You're already throwing out all these little side swipe comments that I just don't give a crap about. I'll post some games and you'll say "lol, I hate those" and that'll be that. you have your right to voice your opinion, but sorry, I just won't get sucked into teh console warz.

there are lists around, go read them like everyone else, decide for yourself.

p.s. the ninja gaiden comment was a joke. even though in my opinion the worst version of ninja gaiden is better than any wii game, but hey, I'm not running around the wii forum going "hey guys, Ninja Gaiden just came out on the PS3, is there anything like that for the wii? There isn't? wow I hate this system it sucks lol"

[mykevermin]

It sucked ass. Everything sucked.

nonononononono.

It's this: 'boring.'

[Apossum]

nonononononono.

It's this: 'boring.'


no, the theme for this year's E3 is "hate" :)

[zewone]

Eh, missed it. oh well. How was it? Anything good?
Wii Scale.

[RelentlessRolento]

no, the theme for this year's E3 is "hate" :)


well that explains the damn Resident Evil 5 thing then...

[Apossum]

well that explains the damn Resident Evil 5 thing then...


i can't think of an appropriate way to respond to this :)

[NamPaehc]

E3 isn't over but here are a few things I still want to hear about:

-Home features on the PSP ???
-Downloadable content OTHER then games/add-ons (music/videos/movies etc)
-How more games are going to use the SixAxis' motion control
-Any kind of word of features coming via FW update for the PSP/PS3
-What PS2 games are still trickling out

Erm... Sure there are more things I'd like to know about.

[FriskyTanuki]

Thanks for the update - it's worse than I thought. There really isn't much new there, is there? What was so awesome about the PS3 presentation? Again, I am honestly curious - I WANT to be blown away! I like my 360 but I don't think it is the be-all end-all gaming experience (nor do I think the Wii is that), so I'm open to Sony coming on strong here.

For what it's worth, I am mildly interested in Lair, R&C, LBP, and possibly Folklore. And Home I guess. But none of these scream must-have at me, except for possibly R&C, and that I can wait on a price drop for (like Mass Effect and some of the other hyped-up 360 games). So it looks like I may pick up a PS3 after Christmas when it is possible for some of these games to start seeing price drops.

Monsta Mack - Killzone 2 may be a killer ap (though I suspect you are being tongue-in-cheek there ;)) but I'm not into shooters all that much (thus, to me, Halo 3 is not a killer-app either).
You're going to have to tell us what kind of games you enjoy, because any list would be YMMV without that kind of info. For me and probably many others MGS4 was the absolute best thing of the show, especially with Kojima there to present the trailer himself.

You should really just spend the time to watch it and make notes of what was interesting, along with checking out stuff that wasn't shown, as there's still more stuff outside of what was at the show.

The nicest part about the presentation was that they were quick to not stay on one game or feature for too long, except for maybe the PSP designs, which deserves the attention for that kind of an announcement.

[RelentlessRolento]

E3 isn't over but here are a few things I still want to hear about:

-Home features on the PSP ???
-Downloadable content OTHER then games/add-ons (music/videos/movies etc)
-How more games are going to use the SixAxis' motion control
-Any kind of word of features coming via FW update for the PSP/PS3
-What PS2 games are still trickling out

Erm... Sure there are more things I'd like to know about.


I really doubt we'll know this weekend... I think sony showed what they wanted to and the rest will probably have to wait.

[io]

see, I can't tell you how. You're already throwing out all these little side swipe comments that I just don't give a crap about. I'll post some games and you'll say "lol, I hate those" and that'll be that. you have your right to voice your opinion, but sorry, I just won't get sucked into teh console warz.


But see, I don't care about the "warz" either. I just tend towards defending the Wii a bit when everyone says it is a waggle-enhanced gimmick (and many people posted after launch that they were sure they'd be able to get one on the bargain bin for $100 soon when everyone got tired of it). Other than that, I'm open to both the 360 (being new to it) and the PS3 (being that I loved the PS2 and it's library). I don't think I made any "side swipe" comments. I was simply asking how someone (previously, at this point I can't even remember who) said that NOW anyone who doubted the PS3 was put in their place. I wanted to know what Sony did today to accomplish that. That is all. It doesn't sound like maybe that really happened? I was hoping some helpful CAG's would point me towards what it was. I don't have time (having wasted all last evening getting MS points for free ;)) and thus needing to make up 2 days of work tonight to watch the whole thing.

But if someone can summarize what was shown today that wasn't known last week I'd appreciate it. I just assumed from that post that it was common knowledge here that Sony dominated the other two and wanted to know why.

Frisky - didn't see your post while I composed - thanks, that is more of what I was expecting to hear! And I think I did post exactly what I liked about the PS2 and would be looking for from the PS3 (in a previous post) - quirky Katamari-like games, JRPGs, Jak-type platformers - stuff like that. I don't have time to watch it this week, unfortunately (and I'm not watching the Nintendo one either). I guess I'll just check out the IGN summaries and such.

[Pylis]

While Sony's E3 conference didn't floor me like it did many of you, it did finally rekindle my interest in the system. The 360 may be the machine to own right now, but next year it'll be hard to say. The first two-thirds of the show didn't do anything to interest me, but I took notice when they began showing off the exclusive titles, a large number of which looked great.

KillZone 2 shocked me. I was very skeptical of the game, and never would've thought it'd be nearly on par (and in some areas, surpassing) Gears of War. It probably won't be that far into next year when I finally buckle and make the purchase.

[dallow]

I'm still going strong :)

$499 isnt a legitimate price point for a game machine. Neither is $399. There isnt such a thing as a game THAT good.I always buy just one game with my game machines.
Makes life simple.

[onikage]

Was there any indication that PS3 iterations of Twisted Metal or Wipeout are currently in the works?

[Apossum]

But see, I don't care about the "warz" either. I just tend towards defending the Wii a bit when everyone says it is a waggle-enhanced gimmick (and many people posted after launch that they were sure they'd be able to get one on the bargain bin for $100 soon when everyone got tired of it). Other than that, I'm open to both the 360 (being new to it) and the PS3 (being that I loved the PS2 and it's library). I don't think I made any "side swipe" comments. I was simply asking how someone (previously, at this point I can't even remember who) said that NOW anyone who doubted the PS3 was put in their place. I wanted to know what Sony did today to accomplish that. That is all. It doesn't sound like maybe that really happened? I was hoping some helpful CAG's would point me towards what it was. I don't have time (having wasted all last evening getting MS points for free ;)) and thus needing to make up 2 days of work tonight to watch the whole thing.



here's your straight answer-- first, if you want lists and proof, go check any of the 100s of lists floating around the internet right now.

as for the presentation, it was all games the whole time and it still didn't cover everything coming out for the PS3. What were the two big criticisms of the system before? No games, too expensive. Well, now it's cheaper and there are a bunch of great games on the way. It's officially a competitor...sure, not a mind-blowing revelation, but ideally, it would at least clear out a few of the trolls in this forum. There just seemed to be a lot less fluff in their presentation this year. it was actually tied together by Home...it wasn't just masturbatory montage after masturbatory montage. it was pretty much one trailer after another, with some breaks to discuss Home features, the PSP slim, chewbacca, etc.

[Apossum]

Was there any indication that PS3 iterations of Twisted Metal or Wipeout are currently in the works?


yeah, Wipeout HD. It was going so fast the video streams couldn't keep up :)

[Dr Mario Kart]

They certainly did well, but there are some things to keep in mind:

a) Both MS and Nintendo focused mainly on what was coming this year, and even then for some reason didnt touch the ACTUAL list of games they had that were coming out this year (in the case of Nintendo). Sony seemed much more open to actually talking about what they had in the works, and didnt limit it to a release date.

b) Both MS and Nintendo wasted 1/3 of their show talking about numbers, something that Sony did not do (for some mysterious reason!).

It was more a case of their competitors doing horrible rather than them doing exceptional. They just did what they were supposed to do.

No games really isnt the proper criticism. The criticism is subtracting the 360 library and then justifying the price difference.

I dont think $500 quite magicks away the complaint about price either.

[FriskyTanuki]

Frisky - didn't see your post while I composed - thanks, that is more of what I was expecting to hear! And I think I did post exactly what I liked about the PS2 and would be looking for from the PS3 (in a previous post) - quirky Katamari-like games, JRPGs, Jak-type platformers - stuff like that. I don't have time to watch it this week, unfortunately (and I'm not watching the Nintendo one either). I guess I'll just check out the IGN summaries and such.
Sounds like a plan. The live blogs are good for the quick summary, but the video will help best, along with previews. The conference isn't that long, maybe 90 minutes total, so with the pace they keep throughout the show, it's not as bad as Nintendo's or Microsoft's conferences.

I asked about your taste because some of your semi-interests didn't seem to lineup with what I recalled that you were interested in before, though nothing's wrong with branching out a little. ;) :D

[io]

as for the presentation, it was all games the whole time and it still didn't cover everything coming out for the PS3. What were the two big criticisms of the system before? No games, too expensive. Well, now it's cheaper and there are a bunch of great games on the way. It's officially a competitor...sure, not a mind-blowing revelation, but ideally, it would at least clear out a few of the trolls in this forum. There just seemed to be a lot less fluff in their presentation this year. it was actually tied together by Home...it wasn't just masturbatory montage after masturbatory montage. it was pretty much one trailer after another, with some breaks to discuss Home features, the PSP slim, chewbacca, etc.

Thank you for that. OK, I'll watch it eventually (just not till this weekend probably - no big deal, 'tis not like I was gonna buy one this week anyway ;)). I definitely want to see the Home features in motion. But one thing... Chewbacca??



I asked about your taste because some of your semi-interests didn't seem to lineup with what I recalled that you were interested in before, though nothing's wrong with branching out a little.


You mean stuff like Lair, Home, and Folklore? Yeah, see, that's the thing - I'm TRYING to like the PS3 so I'm reaching for games (and features) I might like that don't fall into my typical interests. Maybe throw Drake's Fortune and HSG5 in that category too. You nailed it - sort of makes it out like the opposite of what Apossum thought at first ;).

But I guess what didn't happen was any FF XIII info, or any other big new project from Squeenix, or a major RPG from the likes of Namco or Konami. I guess that would be one "blow me away" thing I was looking for and it doesn't sound like there was anything like that.

[FriskyTanuki]

Thank you for that. OK, I'll watch it eventually (just not till this weekend probably - no big deal, 'tis not like I was gonna buy one this week anyway ;)). I definitely want to see the Home features in motion. But one thing... Chewbacca??
Chewie came out to show off the Vader PSP.

You mean stuff like Lair, Home, and Folklore? Yeah, see, that's the thing - I'm TRYING to like the PS3 so I'm reaching for games I might like that don't fall into my typical interests. Maybe throw Drake's Fortune and HSG5 in that category too. You nailed it - sort of makes it out like the opposite of what Apossum thought at first ;).

But I guess what didn't happen was any FF XIII info, or any other big new project from Squeenix, or a major RPG from the likes of Namco or Konami. I guess that would be one thing I was looking for and it doesn't sound like there was anything like that.
I do think that Sony's more or less positioning the PSN as the center of those quirky, strange games you want to see, like echochrome and Everyday Shooter, and hopefully once the bigger studios finish up their big projects, they'll make some interesting stuff, too.

Littlebigplanet definitely seems like something you'd like, especially with the free demo in the fall that's essentially the whole shebang right there. Infamous could be something to check out, which is a superhero sandbox game from the developers of Sly Cooper.

[io]

Chewie came out to show off the Vader PSP.
.

Yeah, just saw that in the PSP forum. Hell - even though I don't play the PSP much I want to get that bundle! They may have me sold on that, in any case...

[gokou36]

Not to mention that everything shone at the M$ conference (aside from RE5) is coming this THIS year, while I'm sure everything Sony showed (aside from maybe one of them) are all coming next year or even later.

All I care about is the next coming months, M$ showed that their system is where I'm going to most of my gaming from.

Also DR. Mario Kart, you forgot Mass Effect for the 360.

Are you stupid, retarded, or both? UT3, Haze, Warhawk, GT Prologue, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Lair(but they didn't show it), Folklore, GTA4, Singstar, COD4, Assassin's Creed, Kane & Lynch, Socom, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, are all coming out on the PS3 this year. Now what was the 1 game you're talking about again?

BTW Frisky, Sony did show Guitar Hero 3 and so did Nintendo, Microsoft didn't probably because they showed Rock Band.

I'd like to know WHY MS didn't show Haze nor UT3, yet they showed a trailer of RE5.

I give Sony a B+, Nintendo a C+, and Microsoft a C-.

[dallow]

Rock Band is in the PSN store as part of a video montage. (and RE5)
Looks interesting.

They didn't show Haze or UT3 because both are timed exclusives for PS3.

[Apossum]

They certainly did well, but there are some things to keep in mind:

a) Both MS and Nintendo focused mainly on what was coming this year, and even then for some reason didnt touch the ACTUAL list of games they had that were coming out this year (in the case of Nintendo). Sony seemed much more open to actually talking about what they had in the works, and didnt limit it to a release date.

b) Both MS and Nintendo wasted 1/3 of their show talking about numbers, something that Sony did not do (for some mysterious reason!).

It was more a case of their competitors doing horrible rather than them doing exceptional. They just did what they were supposed to do.

No games really isnt the proper criticism. The criticism is subtracting the 360 library and then justifying the price difference.

I dont think $500 quite magicks away the complaint about price either.



Request to ban DMK from the PS3 forums plz
(and no, it's not because of things I don't want to hear...it's because you're a broken record and you're looking for any angle to minimize the fact that the PS3 is now a competitor...and making this opinion so public it hurts.)

[NamPaehc]

Images of E3 games. (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/12/sony-playstation-games-e3/)

Images from the E3 show. (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/12/images-from-e3/)

[Zoglog]

I got a question for you guys, Did they announce UT3 as an exclusive for the console? PC aside?

that seems really strange since my last OXM had UT3 as the cover story lol...

[seanr1221]

He said exclusive this YEAR.

Emphasis on year ;)

I was always going to get it on the PS3 anyway (so it didn't interfere with my Halo time) so no biggie for me.

[Zoglog]

Hmmm does that include PC? That would seem very very strange if they released UT on consoles before PC...

[seanr1221]

Hmmm does that include PC? That would seem very very strange if they released UT on consoles before PC...

Doubt it, I don't think PC usually gets thrown into these exclusive claims does it?

I'm interested to see how mods work though.