Mario in a Shaqfuing Bumble Bee suit!!!!

[the3rdkey]

Looking for pix. EPIC.

Felt like I lost 18 years of my life and was 7 again.

AAHHHHHHH!!!!

fucking Bumble BEE!!!

[Oops! I did it again.]

I think the random bee aspect shows that we'll probably be seeing a variety of suits, like the old days.

That bit of footage got me jazzed more than anything at E3 thus far. Cannot wait 'til November!

[Tybee]

http://www.energiseforlife.com/images/blogimages/bumblebee.jpg


Uh ohhhhh...Somebody's jealous.

[Scrubking]

http://www.platformers.net/index/images/picture_media/e3/smg/smg3r.jpg

http://www.platformers.net/index/images/picture_media/e3/smg/smg2r.jpg

http://www.platformers.net/index/images/picture_media/e3/smg/smg_possiblebox.jpg.

[thurston]

oh shizzle

[Scrubking]

http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/gameplay_videos/SMG%20_broll_FINAL.zip

Full trailer. Mario also has a Boo costume!!!

This is GOTY no doubt!

[maddfrog]

Yeah I was excited to see the bee suit. At first I thought it was the rabbit ears Mario had in Super Mario Land 2.

[Oops! I did it again.]

http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/gameplay_videos/SMG%20_broll_FINAL.zip

Full trailer. Mario also has a Boo costume!!!

This is GOTY no doubt!

Absolutely, I'd be STUNNED if it's not GOTY. Looks incredible.

[Tybee]

http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/gameplay_videos/SMG%20_broll_FINAL.zip

Full trailer. Mario also has a Boo costume!!!

This is GOTY no doubt!

Dead link. Got another? My office got hit by lightning and knocked out our phones and internet during the SMG bit.

[drfunk85]

The link just worked for me.

I'm upset this wasn't out as a launch title, but damn, I can't complain any more because it looks amazing, and they definitely got some things right.

[VanillaGorilla]

That's what you have to get excited about, a Bumble Bee suit? Really?

You guys probably said the same thing about "OMG Mario has a Water Jetpack!"

[dmaul1114]

I definitely can't wait for this game! Bee suit doesn't excite me by itself, but at least it points at having a lot of power ups ala SMB3, something that was lacking in Sunshine and even Mario 64.

[Oops! I did it again.]

That's what you have to get excited about, a Bumble Bee suit? Really?

You guys probably said the same thing about "OMG Mario has a Water Jetpack!"

I did, and I LOVED Sunshine. Thought the water pack was a great addition.

But this isn't just about the bee suit - it's about the return to a versatile selection (presumably) of suits, as was the case in the older Mario titles.

Plus, the footage of the game just flat-out looked KILLER.

[buttle]

that trailer looked really good. the bee costume. the boo costume. everything about this game looks great. it's what i'm looking forward to most this year.

[Ikohn4ever]

looked really good

[whataboutbob?]

looks pretty damn cool....definitely reminds me of the time i sat in walmart for 3 hrs straight playing mario 64 right when the N64 came out. Hopefully (and it looks like it will) it will have the innovative gameplay that mario is known and cherished for. For me I would have to rate the preview a 9/10.....i dont think the big N's gonna let us down.

[MarioColbert]

I did, and I LOVED Sunshine. Thought the water pack was a great addition.


I honestly was quite convinced that on these boards Sunshine is unanimously bad. I loved it as well, and have been looking for this one quite a bit as well. Sunshine's a classic.


I'm speechless about Galaxy. In the best way you can be speechless about something.

[SilverPaw750]

Now with suits returning, I'm going out of my mind with anticipation. Aghhh!

[LinkinPrime]

http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/gameplay_videos/SMG%20_broll_FINAL.zip

Full trailer. Mario also has a Boo costume!!!

This is GOTY no doubt!

Anyone have pics of Mario sporting the Boo costume?

[buttle]

I honestly was quite convinced that on these boards Sunshine is unanimously bad. I loved it as well, and have been looking for this one quite a bit as well. Sunshine's a classic.


I'm speechless about Galaxy. In the best way you can be speechless about something.

i agree. i loved the amount of control i had over mario with that water pack. in fact, i can't think of another game where i had so much control over the main character.

i didn't like it when reggie mentioned that galaxy is the true sequal of mario64. that said, i'm really looking forward to galaxy. it should be great.

[whoknows]

Absolutely, I'd be STUNNED if it's not GOTY. Looks incredible.
There are quite a few games that could be GOTY so don't be too stunned if its not.

It can be the Wii's GOTY though ;)

[Zen Davis]

I'm actually going to go on a media blackout on this and Metroid Prime. About the only games that now interest me from Nintendo.

[furyk]

Thank goodness Mario Galaxy has something we can be fanboy-ie about. E3 2007 Nintendo says we don't care about those people who supported us.

[whoknows]

Thank goodness Mario Galaxy has something we can be fanboy-ie about. E3 2007 Nintendo says we don't care about those people who supported us.
QFT.

Nintendo killed off any chance of me getting a Wii after Wii fit and all that stuff they showed that appeals to people who arent gamers.

[MarioColbert]

QFT.

Nintendo killed off any chance of me getting a Wii after Wii fit and all that stuff they showed that appeals to people who arent gamers.

Totally. Owning a console that has Wii Fit on it = shame 4 ever from my bloodz brother Nick (his older brother is old enuff to buy me cigarettes, don't tell anyone LOLz). Stupid Mario and stuff. Celda 4 centaurs. I'm not sure what centaur is but it's like a retard, i think.

[whoknows]

Totally. Owning a console that has Wii Fit on it = shame 4 ever from my bloodz brother Nick (his older brother is old enuff to buy me cigarettes, don't tell anyone LOLz). Stupid Mario and stuff. Celda 4 centaurs. I'm not sure what centaur is but it's like a retard, i think.
Nintendo isn't putting enough GAMES out. I don't care about games like Brain Age and Wii Fit. Nintendo has shifted their focus to non gamers. I'm a gamer so their stuff is starting to not appeal to me. The ONLY game I would want is Smash Bros and I dont know if its worth $300 to play it.

[MarioColbert]

Nintendo isn't putting enough GAMES out.
True enough.

I don't care about games like Brain Age and Wii Fit.
Fair enough.

Nintendo has shifted their focus to non gamers.
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Fall)
Godzilla: Unleashed (Q4)
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (November)
Zack and Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure (October)
Brunswick Pro Bowler (August)
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire (Fall)
Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords (Fall)
Boogie (November)
EA Playground (October)
SoulCalibur Legends (TBA)
Mario Strikers Charged (July 30)
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (August 27)
Battalion Wars 2 (October 29)
Fire Emblem (November 5)
Super Mario Galaxy (November 12)
Super Smash Bros Brawl (December 3)
Mario Kart Wii (Early 2008)
Wii Fit (TBA)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics (November)
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams (Fall)
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (Fall)
Victorious Boxers: Revolution (TBA)

EDIT: Props to Rendil for the edited list in that other thread. Sorry I stole it, but why make your own shit if you can steal? Thank you Rendil.

I'm a gamer so their stuff is starting to not appeal to me.
I'm a bad bad motherfucking DJ which is why I walk and talk this way.


The ONLY game I would want is Smash Bros and I dont know if its worth $300 to play it.
True enough about the only game YOU would want. What was that about Nintendo leaving the "real gamers" behind?

[Oops! I did it again.]

Totally. Owning a console that has Wii Fit on it = shame 4 ever from my bloodz brother Nick (his older brother is old enuff to buy me cigarettes, don't tell anyone LOLz). Stupid Mario and stuff. Celda 4 centaurs. I'm not sure what centaur is but it's like a retard, i think.
LMAO

Even if Wii Fit doesn't get that previous poster's adrenalin flowin', I'd at least appreciate the possibilities of how the board might be used. I can envision a scenario where several titles support it, and Wii Fit becomes an 'essential' purchase (much like many see Wii Play as an essential purchase if you're going to be buying a Wiimote anyway). The pressure/weight recognition is too cool to relegate to being merely a Wii Fit accessory, obviously...so I think there's a LOT to be pumped about here.

[whoknows]

Ok, I dont want minigames, I dont want sports games (including mario sports) I dont want a game available on the DS or PSP.

I'm one picky mo'fo. ;)

Seriously though, Wii is supposed to offer a different experience. I don't want something I can get on another console.

[Blitz]

True enough.


Fair enough.


Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Fall)
Godzilla: Unleashed (Q4)
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (November)
Zack and Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure (October)
Brunswick Pro Bowler (August)
Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire (Fall)
Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords (Fall)
Boogie (November)
EA Playground (October)
SoulCalibur Legends (TBA)
Mario Strikers Charged (July 30)
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (August 27)
Battalion Wars 2 (October 29)
Fire Emblem (November 5)
Super Mario Galaxy (November 12)
Super Smash Bros Brawl (December 3)
Mario Kart Wii (Early 2008)
Wii Fit (TBA)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics (November)
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams (Fall)
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (Fall)
Victorious Boxers: Revolution (TBA)

EDIT: Props to Rendil for the edited list in that other thread. Sorry I stole it, but why make your own shit if you can steal? Thank you Rendil.


I'm a bad bad motherfucking DJ which is why I walk and talk this way.



True enough about the only game YOU would want. What was that about Nintendo leaving the "real gamers" behind?


There's really no point in even trying because those that don't like the Wii will offer new excuses when the games come out. After all Nintendo doesn't appeal to REAL gamers. Judging by sales I guess the PS3 doesn't appeal to anyone.


BTW great response.

[MarioColbert]

All I'm saying is that this whole Chicken Little Sky is Falling "Wii Scale = Nintendo hath abandoned us" talk is a little extreme. Not wanting a Wii due to current availability of games is probably the most practical and pragmatic approach at the moment. Making blanket statements about Nintendo somehow abandoning the gamers in light of today's announcements, however, will only land you a stupid self-fellating reply from an asshole such as myself.

[Oops! I did it again.]

There are quite a few games that could be GOTY so don't be too stunned if its not.

It can be the Wii's GOTY though ;)

True, true, this is going to be QUITE a year for games.

But for me, I'm a Mario nut, so unless Galaxy's huge positives are nullified by some sudden crippling flaw, it's going to at least be MY game of the year. :)

Hopefully it'll be awesome enough to re-legitimize the primary console Super Mario franchise, after the unfortunate (and needless, IMHO) lukewarm response to Galaxy. Seems anticipation for Galaxy is a bit more tame than was Galaxy...though I guess plenty of other factors come into play there (the other huge titles this year, the fact that Sunshine was the first Mario after 64, etc).

Still, it'd be great if this is a consensus GOTY, but I can imagine that it won't be, you're right.

[whoknows]

All I'm saying is that this whole Chicken Little Sky is Falling "Wii Scale = Nintendo hath abandoned us" talk is a little extreme. Not wanting a Wii due to current availability of games is probably the most practical and pragmatic approach at the moment. Making blanket statements about Nintendo somehow abandoning the gamers in light of today's announcements, however, will only land you a stupid self-fellating reply from an asshole such as myself.
I just want a game experience from the Wii that makes me go "wow, so this is what the system was made for" However when I look at the games available on it nothing really offers that (at the current time at least). I'd love some games to come out that make me want to run out and buy a Wii, but as of right now there really isnt anything close to that.

Granted the Wii is still fairly new, so you never know.

[defiance_17]

Totally. Owning a console that has Wii Fit on it = shame 4 ever from my bloodz brother Nick (his older brother is old enuff to buy me cigarettes, don't tell anyone LOLz). Stupid Mario and stuff. Celda 4 centaurs. I'm not sure what centaur is but it's like a retard, i think.

Great. :lol:

I have also missed Mario's suits, and will be picking this up day-one.

[Reality's Fringe]

I guess I'm the only one who bought the Wii for Nintendo games and the virtual console. Call me a "Nongamer", but that's really all I wanted. Great 2nd/3rd party stuff is just a bonus.

[LinkinPrime]

I guess I'm the only one who bought the Wii for Nintendo games and the virtual console. Call me a "Nongamer", but that's really all I wanted. Great 2nd/3rd party stuff is just a bonus.

That's why I got a GC. My GC llibrary consists of all Mario games, minus Mario Baseball (AI pissed me off and I traded it in.), Zelda, DK, SSM, Luigi...etc., and that's why I got a Wii.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I guess I'm the only one who bought the Wii for Nintendo games and the virtual console. Call me a "Nongamer", but that's really all I wanted. Great 2nd/3rd party stuff is just a bonus.

That's exactly why I bought my Wii. It is a Nintendo playing machine first and foremost. Once the PS3 gets a decent price drop and the 360 revisions make it a stable machine, I'll be buying those badboys as well - or at least one of them.

[Vinny]

I guess I'm the only one who bought the Wii for Nintendo games and the virtual console. Call me a "Nongamer", but that's really all I wanted. Great 2nd/3rd party stuff is just a bonus.

That's pretty much why I got it but you can't expect Nintendo to put out stuff like Zelda and Mario every month... that's why there's third parties.:-P

[furyk]

It's not so much that I meant to say Nintendo has abandoned us, but they sent a pretty clear message that Nintendo's focus is completely off of gamers. They haven't announced a new franchise that is not meant as a casual game since Chibi Robo and it's annoying to see that games that apparently have a legitimate role to play in the holiday line-up, like Fire Emblem, are pushed aside in favor of more self congratulating about how grandpa has a Wii bowling league at the nursing home office.

Nintendo's E3 press conference was a huge disappointment to me and several other gamers when you consider that Nintendo's method of innovation with the Wiii seems to be tossing the Wiimote in more plastic or aside entirely rather then developing something other then a mini game that uses it. Let's not even get started with how eh the DS showing was. I'm sure there's stuff for us at E3 from Nintendo, but the press conference clearly shows that the people who stuck with Nintendo during the tough times are being essentially ignored in favor of Cookbook game and Vocabulary Builder game (both of which I think are interesting ideas, but they shouldn't be main stage). E3 is for gamers not the ten year old playing with his Nintendog or the soccer mom who uses the Everybody Votes Channel. They'll see a little article in USA Today, think it's neat, and completely forget about it until it's released in 2008 while the people who are actual gamers feel completely miffed that Nintendo doesn't care about putting out compelling software for people who actually buy more then two games a year.

Nintendo essentially sent me the message that I cannot own just a Wii if I want to play video games. At the end of E3 2006, I (and many others) felt that the Wii was just as exciting for gamers as it was for everyone. Boy were we wrong.

[ratzombie]

Looks awesome, and I'm another one who enjoyed Super Mario Sunshine.

[MarioColbert]

Nintendo essentially sent me the message that I cannot own just a Wii if I want to play video games. At the end of E3 2006, I (and many others) felt that the Wii was just as exciting for gamers as it was for everyone. Boy were we wrong.


Most of your points are valid. The jump to the conclusion isn't.

I'm not sure how much non-gaming news you read. About once a week since launch of the Wii Mr. Analyst someone or another would write things about its future. Considering the amount of parents and older people who bought a Wii for themselves is what pushed the seemingly "retarded" duct-tape statue into an "unlikely hero."

Now, I've read a lot of things regarding the success of the console. Most analysts that aren't game-aware continuously made a point that the Wii is NOT the system for parents and non-gamers, because apart from Wii Sports there is nothing there for them. At the same time, other analysts wrote that the Wii is totally here to stay, because of 3rd party developers, etc. Others ignored this completely due to the fact that their articles were for parents who give not half a shit about the new Mario Kart.

Media events for Nintendo have been delivering the message that Nintendo wants to deliver. Since the Wii's launch, Miyamoto's speech at the GDC went on and on about his "Wife-O-Meter" and how interested he was in developing titles that his wife would prefer (Animal Crossing was her favorite).

Reggie at the GDC was brutal and honest: he basically outlined this E3 for us, provided you've been paying attention. Jollydwarf and a few others made it a point to start yelling "Nintendo caters to grandmas ONLY." But at the same time, you have to consider the poor non-gamers who bought the damn system because they've seen it on Dr. Phil's show.

This is getting too long, so here's food for thought:

1. Wii is NOT a VCR/DVD Player. You don't have a library of shit immediately available. We're used to waiting a year (!!!) before we get any proper meat on our consoles. With "next-gen" (a.k.a. EXPENSIVE GEN) we're likely to have to wait even more. The people who bought the system because they were promised "new stuff" are less patient and less nutty. Nintendo can make me wait an extra year for a title, and it's likely that my anticipation will grow rather than diminish - see the Super Smash Bros. Brawl thread.

2. The "new market" Reggie is talking about is the one that requires the largest amount of responsibility. There is no reason to market games to you assholes - as long as "the internet" tells you it is coming, you are happy. I read most RSS feeds, so I'm generally upset with the amount of redundant news. My wife's mom, whose Wii I have purchased myself, does not know what Wii Fit is, yet her purchase of the title is kind of an important part to Nintendo's success.

Last but not least, E3 is a press event. It is not "an event for gamers." There is no reason to do this shit for you or for me. Nintendo are talking to the press and yes they are addressing all of its "clients" including guys you don't care about. You know about Fire Emblem, you know about JeuxFrance gameplay footage of Super Mario Galaxy, you've been reading the Smash Bros. Blog every day, yet you want them to give you more... to read?

Nintendo's web presence and title announcement show that they respect YOU much more than they respect the press. And trust me, that's a very good thing.

[dmaul1114]

Nintendo essentially sent me the message that I cannot own just a Wii if I want to play video games. At the end of E3 2006, I (and many others) felt that the Wii was just as exciting for gamers as it was for everyone. Boy were we wrong.

To be fair, everyone should have known that after the N64 and GC, neither of which had enough AAA games to satisfy a remotely serious gamer.

The cream of the crop games were amazing, but they were few and far between.

[SpazX]

Why isn't anybody talking about this picture?

http://www.platformers.net/index/images/picture_media/e3/smg/smg2r.jpg

Mario walks on fire, like Jesus on water. And fire is the opposite of water, which means Mario is the opposite of Jesus, and therefore Mario is Satan.

Not for hardcore gamers you say?

[LinkinPrime]

Why isn't anybody talking about this picture?

http://www.platformers.net/index/images/picture_media/e3/smg/smg2r.jpg

Mario walks on fire, like Jesus on water. And fire is the opposite of water, which means Mario is the opposite of Jesus, and therefore Mario is Satan.

Not for hardcore gamers you say?

First time I've seen it....great pic. I always hoped that one day they make Bowser badder looking and more intelligent...he always ends up as a joke.

[dastly75]

Last E3 Nintendo was getting all hyped whilst Sony was getting the game over chants and now it's flip flopped. With Nintendo's install base and the developers flocking to it...nevermind, no point in arguing with drama nerds...

[chimpian]

well the video of this is also on youtube it anyone was wondering...... the zip file was taking forever :)

PS this game looks awesome.

[furyk]

*words*

Lots of points, so I'll try and take them one at a time. A lot of my anger stems from the fact that Nintendo spent a good portion of the press conference saying "we're so great" which is fine, but Nintendo still has a ton of problems with the Wii. What's kind of been lost in the whole conversation is that Nintendo basically turned around and patted themselves on the back for perhaps the most convoluted and backwards online system existing today.

I think you've missed my point entirely though. E3 is the big Internet nerd conference for us. Sure, they may be screening it only to the press, but the vast majority of the press is gaming press and their bread and butter
is us, people who buy their magazines. You've totally got that wrong. I'd liken it to GM having nothing but electric cars at a convention for muscle cars.

The other thing you totally missed was I wasn't complaining about the marketing. I'm complaining about the simple fact that Nintendo is diverting their best and brightest resources to developing new market games and ignoring developing truly new content for us. The other point that you made is that it takes a year to make stuff work. E3 is the place to unveil next year's stuff. Guess what? They revealed shit for next year. Furthermore, the vast majority of things for the Wii from the third party is going to be more ported and licensed content, not less.

Also, like I said. This is my opinion and the majority opinion of gamers across the net. If you want to form a Nintendo Defense Force to say this was a great press conference then go ahead. If you're a person who's first thought is "Popcap" when you hear the word video games, this was a great little press conference for you. By the standards that E3 has always had though, it sucked. The gaming press thinks that way. The gamers across the internet think that way. I think this way.

Nintendo promised the Nintendo faithful a new way of gaming at E3 2006 and at E3 2007 they did just that. My new way of gaming will be buying an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and playing, you know, games.

[Lan_Zer0]

E3 is the place to unveil next year's stuff. Guess what? They revealed shit for next year. Furthermore, the vast majority of things for the Wii from the third party is going to be more ported and licensed content, not less.


E3 USED to be the place to announce next years stuff. All three companies focused on the remainder of 2007 during their press conferences.

[dmaul1114]

The other thing you totally missed was I wasn't complaining about the marketing. I'm complaining about the simple fact that Nintendo is diverting their best and brightest resources to developing new market games and ignoring developing truly new content for us.

Yep, that's my number one problem as well.

But hey, they're in this business for the money, not to make us hardcore Nintendo fans happy.

But if they keep it up into next year I'll have no problem finally resigning to the fact that they've changed gears and that I'm not longer in their target market and getting rid of the Wii.

There are two other consoles out there gearing for hardcore gamers and I'd be more than happy to give them more of my gaming business if Nintendo fails to deliver what I want.

[dmaul1114]

E3 USED to be the place to announce next years stuff. All three companies focused on the remainder of 2007 during their press conferences.

Which made the whole conference fucking pointless IMO. I couldn't care less about more details on games we already know about, or confirming release dates we already had a good idea on etc.

[Tybee]

Which made the whole conference fucking pointless IMO. I couldn't care less about more details on games we already know about, or confirming release dates we already had a good idea on etc.

You are just a very unhappy person in general, aren't you?

[Lan_Zer0]

Which made the whole conference fucking pointless IMO. I couldn't care less about more details on games we already know about, or confirming release dates we already had a good idea on etc.

I feel the same way. Unfortunately things have changed, but I find it unfair to knock the companies for the nature of the new E3.

Though, I agree, Nintendo's conference wasn't too hot. Too much celebration of their own success, a ZeldaPH demo (most of us have played or seen it already), and charts lots of charts. However, I don't think a 1.5 hour press conference can spell doom and gloom for gamers across the globe. Looking and the announced titles, from both first and third party, I find plenty to be interested in.

Now, if Nintendo had chosen to focus on those titles, the gaming community would be a singing a different tune about the press conference, but WiiFit would be pushed by the wayside. Looking back, I *somewhat* like that they focused on WiiFit, because being a gamer, I keep up with news and know what else is coming down the pipline.

[dmaul1114]

You are just a very unhappy person in general, aren't you?

Nope. Quite happy in general. :D E3 was pointless, and the Wii has sucked balls so far, but nothing to lose sleep over.

[dmaul1114]

Looking and the announced titles, from both first and third party, I find plenty to be interested in.


Honestly, for me right now it's just Metroid, Mario, Smash Bros and maybe Nights that are must buys.

Not to much has my interest piqued, though I'm sure there will be a sleeper or two in the third party stuff.

[furyk]

Yep, that's my number one problem as well.

But hey, they're in this business for the money, not to make us hardcore Nintendo fans happy.

But if they keep it up into next year I'll have no problem finally resigning to the fact that they've changed gears and that I'm not longer in their target market and getting rid of the Wii.

There are two other consoles out there gearing for hardcore gamers and I'd be more than happy to give them more of my gaming business if Nintendo fails to deliver what I want.

Yeah, I'm just pissing in the wind at the moment. The press conference pissed me off, but I'm not so naive to say that Nintendo didn't show 10+ games that'll be million sellers.

[dmaul1114]

Yeah, I'm just pissing in the wind at the moment. The press conference pissed me off, but I'm not so naive to say that Nintendo didn't show 10+ games that'll be million sellers.

Yeah it didn't piss me off. I'm not into games enough anymore to get pissed off over them.

Just a little disappointed that there wasn't anything new shown that interested me as the Wii is nice hardware and like to have some more software that appeals to me on it.

[EXStrike]

I'll just reiterate what was said before: E3 isn't the best place anymore to announce the biggest and greatest new things anymore. TGS is now a hell of a lot bigger because of it, and they may/may not be holding their own events.

It would've probably benefitted Microsoft more to show off their stuff at E3 than at TGS, simply because of their relative lack of penetration in the Japanese market.

As far as Nintendo is concerned, if they show up at TGS this year, they'll have a bigger venue to show off stuff.

[utopianmachine]

Seriously though, Wii is supposed to offer a different experience. I don't want something I can get on another console.

The Wii is not obligated to provide a different gaming experience. The game controllers can offer a different, motion-sensitive gaming experience, but that is not all they are required to do. Not every game fits the need for the Wii's unique abilities. Think about the DS. Touch screen and microphone interaction isn't forced on every game. Not every game needs it, and to build a game to the DS's abilities isn't always needed for an enjoyable experience.

On another note, what with the rising costs of developing games these days, for the sake of the developers and publishers, they almost have to release the game multi-console to reap a profit. The more successful a game is the more likely we are to see quality follow-ups. I mean, look at the former exclusives that Sony enjoyed -- the Final Fantasys, the Grand Theft Autos. The big, anticipated titles always went to Sony, but now, Microsoft is getting a whole, healthy heaping of love. Honestly, aside from some franchises (Mario = Nintendo), the days of console exclusives are coming to an end.

[Starkraving]

Great thread so far. This speculation about who Nintendo values more (the 'mainstream' market or hardcore gamer/Nintendo devotees) is really beside the point, though. Nintendo is not in a position to have to show all their cards in a particular order, to particular groups of people. E32007 was not, for Nintendo, an event to prove anything to anyone. Nintendo is trying to break into the casual market and into the mainstream, and it's not a secret.

I am not surprised that there is an emphasis on Wii fit and other peripherals like the Zapper. These are part of a calculated strategy to appeal to a whole new contingent of gamers and casual software users. Look at what Nintendo did back in the mid eighties. What did the NES come bundled with? R.O.B. was a plastic peripheral that worked in conjunction with a game... and the light gun was not far behind. This is how Nintendo made the first push into the market, and these things are in twenty year cycles. Twenty years later, all of those kids who begged their parents for a NES are parents themselves. What better way to appeal to families, than to conjure up vague memories of what was, for many gamers, their first console.

Do these plastic items impress me personally? No. I cringe a bit thinking of cramming the Wiimote and Nunchuck into plastic swords and guns. You see, what's nice about the Wii is its relative simplicity, and adding these plastic parts just clutters everything. But I consider myself more than a casual gamer. I love all the sytems. I like having to learn complicated moves on a controller, etc. But I don't fault Nintendo. They are doing what they need to do to stay relevant according to their corporate philosophy (which has, if you know their history, been surprisingly consistent).

Will some of us inexorably feel left behind? Of course. Like some gamers here, I do. But Nintendo hasn't 'pissed me off' or anything. There are so many reason to be a happy gamer right now. The market is extremely competitive, and ultimately, we gamers are going to benefit from that.

[Zen Davis]

Regardless of whether Nintendo had to show its hand or not, the fact is that they should have, at least to show the hardcore gamer why they should stick around. They didn't do that so Nintendo can go fuck itself.

[Rig]

Well, I want to talk about Super Mario Galaxy, and that's what this thread was for (to all of you OT).

The video looked awesome. Much better than what we saw last time they showed Super Mario Galaxy.

[vherub]

Here's the thing, the target audience for wii fit is people who don't know what e3 is, never have and never will. They don't get information about the wii from the internet. The wii may be redefining who a gamer is, but the pipeline of gaming information, of wich e3 is the largest, is at odds with nintendo's message.

To me, the wiifit is packaged and presented more for the newsweeks and usatodays. soft journals that reaches nongamers.
The more casual the gamer, the less important anything at e3 becomes.

and mario in a bee suit is damn cool

[Oops! I did it again.]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21649.html

The GameTrailers developer walkthrough. Not slow-loading like the Jeux France footage, and with commentary.

Cannot wait.

[furyk]

I do like the variety that seems to be coming in this time around. I still feel Sunshine's biggest flaw was that it was all the same setting when Mario's biggest strength was level variety.

[tiktok0]

I've never been a huge Mario nut. I enjoyed Sunshine but not to a super extent.

Of course we have no chance to try it out so far, but a few things bugged me so far about the releases on this Mario.

1) It did not seem like there was much to fight against, and those that were there seemed to pose no threat.

2) One video seemed to show that you are skipping from little tiny section of world to little tiny section of world, so it seemed like there you were just going through tiny places, not a sprawling area. That ticked me off big time with Wind Waker, having isolated areas that did not run together at all and everything felt confined. (Water in Wink Waker does not count as an area)

3) The biggest thing that is bugging me is the star throwing. Again, we cannot try it yet and see what it is like. I did not like that they were just pointing at objects and picking them up with the wii-mote, rather than Mario going to get them. I did not like that when you throw a star, it comes from the screen rather than Mario firing it. If Mario could throw stars, that would be fine - but make HIM throw it. Keep the game about Mario, not about some invisible entity being controlled by the wiimote. Why couldn't we aim with the wiimote and have Mario himself throw a star there?

[MarioColbert]

furyk:

It's not that I don't understand your concern with this year's E3. I posted a quote from Slashdot in the Nintendo's E3 thread which outlines my own concern for the media summit in general. If you want me to say why I think that the conference was shitty, the first thing that comes to mind is Reggie's performance this year - he was either tired or hungover, but too many awkward pauses, forgetting his lines, and therefore awkward sentences. (Sony pre-recorded all the game intros, so no more Giant Enemy Crabs this year.)

If we're going by opinion only, however, I can not subscribe to the opinion that this year's E3 showing is enough for me to feel abandoned. If I came across as saying anything more than the previous sentence, accept an apology. (I know I wrote a lot explaining a lot, but really all my points are little more than an explanation as to where my opinion stems from, and truth be told, it's quite arrogant of me to think that you would give half of a fuck about those.)

The new Mario is a prime example of what I'm talking about. I have been excited about it from the get go, and I've enjoyed Mario becoming more and more pacifist over the years (less combat, more focus on puzzles and exploration). Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine have both shown that Nintendo's level design is as deep as it is pretty, and as wicked as it is open-minded. The "classic platforming" sections of Sunshine were incredible, and I do not doubt that this one will have touches of sincere genius as well.

Maybe it is my love for the Little Prince, but the idea of little planets in a huge galaxy with variable gravity and spectacular environments appeals to me more than open fields. Zelda got the open fields. Mario... well, he gots the galaxy.


Thanks for the jeuxfrance and gt videos. Nintendo's getting my money.

[dallow]

Wow, how did I not put Mario Galaxy and Le Petit Prince together in my head before.

[guyver2077]

mario is so 90's


what are you guys? 12 ?


i kid..i kid...

[Javery]

Wow. It looks really fun. I can't wait for this one!

[furyk]

Eh no worries MarioColbert. I think I was just pissed more at the presentation then Nintendo's direction. I'm still buying this and Smash and a few others day one.

[jer7583]

Want.

[CouRageouS]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9657/booqr1.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=booqr1.jpg)
Its in the video linked on the first page. BOO!

Here's hoping for Tanooki and Frog to be back. I also noticed the pointer going over little stars in game, then the pointer tracing over baddies and stars are thrown at them. Cool stuff.

[MarioColbert]

Wow, how did I not put Mario Galaxy and Le Petit Prince together in my head before.

I have no idea why nobody puts two and two together.

There better be a box with some holes in it a sheep somewhere in the game, or I'm taking it back to the store... ...or not.

Kotaku has Miyamoto's Q&A about this title, and he confirmed 120 stars, 6 worlds, and 40 galaxies.

I have no idea what 6 world 40 galaxies means in this combination. But I'm pleased. Because 40 is a lot, and 6 worlds is what Sunshine had and it was plenty for me. "Tons" of bonus and secret content as well.

According to Miyamoto, the game was super easy until a few months ago, when he started making it so hard that the team is telling him that it's "too much."

Luigi in the game = "SECRET." No confirmation that Bowser would be the final boss. He also feels that Sunshine was "too hard" which I'm calling "bull shit" on.

"...And others" is mentioned every time the Bee Suit and the Boo Suit are mentioned. I'm more pleased.

When asked about the size of the planets, Miyamoto said that the engine uses basic "spheres" for input, but you can make them so large, that the surface becomes "essentially flat." No details about how many "galaxies" are actually big enough for this sort of thing, but I'm hoping a lot.

Yay.

[lurknomore]

I wasn't more excited about any video that I saw there, with the possible sole exception of Heavenly Sword. It would be close. Anyhow, I had no interest in Galaxy, but now after the new LoZ: Phantom Hourglass DS, this is my #1 want.

[bfauble83]

2) One video seemed to show that you are skipping from little tiny section of world to little tiny section of world, so it seemed like there you were just going through tiny places, not a sprawling area. That ticked me off big time with Wind Waker, having isolated areas that did not run together at all and everything felt confined. (Water in Wink Waker does not count as an area)



That is exactly why this game doesn't really appeal to me so far. I'm surprised more people aren't bothered by this.

[Tybee]

That is exactly why this game doesn't really appeal to me so far. I'm surprised more people aren't bothered by this.

From the videos I've seen, you have very large environments (no discernable planet shape, space not viewable, sometimes even blue sky) and teeny tiny planets, and things inbetween. And all sorts of complex mechanisms connecting all of these different areas. How do you not find this attractive?

I, for one, get very bored with the 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 model where each stage of a given world is just a variation on a theme. I love the almost unlimited variety I've seen in Mario Galaxy so far. Part of what made Mario 64 such a hit was the variety of the worlds. I think Galaxy is the logical progression of that idea.

[dmaul1114]

Part of what made Mario 64 such a hit was the variety of the worlds. I think Galaxy is the logical progression of that idea.

Mario 64 had really large worlds that you had to do like 8 tasks each in. I think people are worried this sense of exploration will be lost if you're just hopping from tiny world to tiny world.

I'm a bit worried about it, but not too much as I imagine there will be larger worlds, and what we've seen is just some of the crap in between them, or just some small early worlds or something.

Here's hoping anyway. I don't want it to end up being too much of an action game, with just a lot of enemy stomping and hopping for short world to short world.

[seanw]

http://68.142.214.24/photos/nestacos/13032602/

If anyone can get the image to appear in-thread, all the better.

[Tybee]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/10/13032602_2fea930486.jpg

Surprising that it didn't resort to the whole tanuki testicle thing...

[MarioColbert]

"Better? No."

Best panel there is. It's all downhill from there, although "What the fuck is a Tanooki?" seems to be my boss's favorite. I like my job.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Part of what made Mario 64 such a hit was the variety of the worlds. I think Galaxy is the logical progression of that idea.

Exactly. Although Mario 64 had variety, it still followed the "themed-world" formula - ice level, lava level, sand level, etc. Galaxy looks like it combines all of these elements into planets so essentially all of themes could be part of one big planet.

I also like the idea of a second player being able to control the cursor that Mario uses. There is no way my wife would watch me play Galaxy alone, but I think she would like to help out with the game. The only downside I have heard reported about the co-op is that the 2nd person can actually stun Mario (on purpose or accident) and cause him/her to mess up.

[Brak]

The simplicity of Mario is just... gone.

I think, in terms of art, the Paper Mario series is holding true to what Mario is supposed to be.

[Oops! I did it again.]

What is the player's role in this game? Normally, it's pretty straight forward: we ARE Mario. Now, with the cursor being able to interact, is the cursor supposed to be an extension of Mario controlling some new power he has, or our hand also being present in the Mario universe? Weird question, just something I've wondered. :lol:

[MarioColbert]

I know some of you hate Penny Arcade. Nontheless:


Raw game media by itself is entertainment, as we have discussed, but if I have another datapoint - like a favored developer, or (optimally) personal playtime, the materials become more useful. From my forkéd tower, I have heard the hardcore wonder and worry if the new Mario game will be too simplistic, and will not provide the challenge they crave. You can certainly dial back the challenge by having a friend help you, as they do at the beginning of this video (http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/804/804747p1.html) - grabbing an extra remote to stun opponents with tiny stars or seizing environmental hazards. Let me say from my own experience - now decrepit, but perhaps fresher than your own - that playing a fully 3d platformer, where gravity is often relative plus interacting constantly with the Wiimote pointer simultaneously is a type of challenge you haven't yet experienced. Doing both things at once was like conducting a symphony while also writing a memoir. I felt parts of my brain open, creak open like an ancient chest. And within? Treasure.


You may anticipate Super Mario Galaxies with full joy and without fear, free of the doubts and tiresome ambiguities which so often plague the conscious mind.



I fail to recall the last time he was that excited about any other game.

[The Crotch]

Mario Strikers?

"WHY ARE YOU BIG?"

"I DON'T KNOW!"

[Scrubking]

Mario 64 did NOT have large sprawling areas. It was all a bunch of small areas hidden by invisible walls and linked together by doors, pipes, etc.

SMG will have at least the same if not larger areas connected by the small planets, etc.

And no I don't consider the first level of M64 a large sprawling area.

[Tybee]

I also like the idea of a second player being able to control the cursor that Mario uses. There is no way my wife would watch me play Galaxy alone, but I think she would like to help out with the game. The only downside I have heard reported about the co-op is that the 2nd person can actually stun Mario (on purpose or accident) and cause him/her to mess up.

Better be nice to your wife. ;)

[Oops! I did it again.]

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748588/vids_1.html

A bunch of new vids. :)

[SmellsLikeRandyMossGuy]

oh my Mario's got a new costume or two... OMG GOTY EEPIC.....

shut up.

You guys are acting like the girls over the Malibu Stacey w/ the new hat in the Simpsons.

If it's like Mario 64 but better, then it should have a chance... but it's not out yet.

[dmaul1114]

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

People get excited over tidbits for big upcoming games all the time, probably even more so during a consoles first year when the game lineup has been weak.

[Oops! I did it again.]

^ And in this case, it's not even so much just a minor tidbit or throwaway gimmick as it is what will seemingly be a pretty major part of the gameplay - one that has not been seen in the franchise in QUITE a while.

Saying the excitement is just about costumes is dumb, MossGuy. The excitement is about what the costumes will mean to the gameplay. As Mario 1, 2, 3, SMW, and the Bee World demos have shown, costumes mean a lot...

[Kendal]

oh my Mario's got a new costume or two... OMG GOTY EEPIC.....

shut up.

You guys are acting like the girls over the Malibu Stacey w/ the new hat in the Simpsons.

If it's like Mario 64 but better, then it should have a chance... but it's not out yet.

You put the or in ignorant.

I can't wait to play this game. The Bee suit is sweet.

[SmellsLikeRandyMossGuy]

It's a bee suit. It's no revolution. It's just another suit and I don't know about you, but I rather be a raccoon than a gay little bee. A bee suit is nothing something to jerk off over. Some of you sound like it's the best thing in the world.

[Scrubking]

It's a bee suit. It's no revolution. It's just another suit and I don't know about you, but I rather be a raccoon than a gay little bee. A bee suit is nothing something to jerk off over. Some of you sound like it's the best thing in the world.

1. People are gushing because this game is GOTY worthy.
2. People are happy that suits in general are making a comeback.
3. You're an idiot so STFU and go hate somewhere else.

[ratzombie]

It's a bee suit. It's no revolution. It's just another suit and I don't know about you, but I rather be a raccoon than a gay little bee. A bee suit is nothing something to jerk off over. Some of you sound like it's the best thing in the world.

Yeah, you're not trolling. :roll:

Don't you have some game cases to wash, pansy?

[Dr Mario Kart]

I guess its a bee suit and not the bee's knees, get it? ho ho ho.

I wont quit my day job.

[io]

My kids are pretty thrilled about the Bee suit videos, that's for sure. But that doesn't compare to how they feel about the Boo suit clip we've seen... What do you think of that SLRMG?

[Tybee]

It's a bee suit. It's no revolution. It's just another suit and I don't know about you, but I rather be a raccoon than a gay little bee. A bee suit is nothing something to jerk off over. Some of you sound like it's the best thing in the world.

Sooooo the lesson we should take from this is that you WILL jerk off for raccoons?



Noted.

[the3rdkey]

Sooooo the lesson we should take from this is that you WILL jerk off for raccoons?



Noted.

PWND

[botticus]

New scans from Famitsu, via NeoGAF:

http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc145/th_66362_Super_Mario_Galaxy_F972a_122_145lo.jpg (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc145&image=66362_Super_Mario_Galaxy_F972a_122_145lo.jpg )
http://img43.imagevenue.com/loc726/th_66368_Super_Mario_Galaxy_F972b_122_726lo.jpg (http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc726&image=66368_Super_Mario_Galaxy_F972b_122_726lo.jpg )

Lookin good!